[00:15:47] [discord] so deputy stewards are going to be like stewards on an internship IMO [00:20:04] [discord] They'll basically be a consolidation of AFA and NSS [00:22:44] [discord] So yeah basically Stewards on an internship, much like Public Test Wiki's crat role (for consuls there) [00:24:12] [discord] so if the deputy steward proposal passes, do we have to delete both the AFA and NSS groups? [00:26:39] [discord] I think I have a list of rights for the deputy steward group should the proposal pass: [00:26:40] [discord] * abusefilter-modify-restricted [00:26:42] [discord] * abusefilter-access-protected-vars [00:26:43] [discord] * abusefilter-protected-vars-log [00:27:24] [discord] I think I have a list of rights for the deputy steward group should the proposal pass: [00:27:24] [discord] * abusefilter-modify-restricted [00:27:26] [discord] * abusefilter-access-protected-vars [00:27:27] [discord] * abusefilter-protected-vars-log [00:27:28] [discord] * handle-reports [00:27:30] [discord] * suppressionlog [00:27:51] [discord] I think I have a list of rights for the deputy steward group should the proposal pass: [00:27:52] [discord] * abusefilter-modify-restricted [00:27:53] [discord] * abusefilter-access-protected-vars [00:27:54] [discord] * abusefilter-protected-vars-log [00:27:56] [discord] * handle-reports [00:27:57] [discord] * abusefilter-hidden-log [00:27:58] [discord] * viewsuppressed [00:28:00] [discord] * suppressionlog [00:28:36] [discord] Note that the group, unlike NSS and suppressors, can view suppressed material but not suppress or unsuppress and the private logs, as well as suppressed filter logs [00:29:34] [discord] Note that the group, unlike NSS and suppressors, can view suppressed material (but not suppress or unsuppress revisions) and the suppression log, and suppressed filter logs; that is, unless the deputy steward assigns themself the suppressor permission [00:30:01] [discord] I think I have a list of rights for the deputy steward group should the proposal pass: [00:30:02] [discord] * abusefilter-modify-restricted [00:30:03] [discord] * abusefilter-access-protected-vars [00:30:04] [discord] * abusefilter-protected-vars-log [00:30:06] [discord] * handle-reports [00:30:07] [discord] * abusefilter-hidden-log [00:30:08] [discord] * viewsuppressed [00:30:10] [discord] * suppressionlog [00:30:11] [discord] * Add and remove the suppressor right from own account [00:30:23] [discord] Note that deputy stewards, unlike NSS and suppressors, can view suppressed material (but not suppress or unsuppress revisions) and the suppression log, and suppressed filter logs; that is, unless the deputy steward assigns themself the suppressor permission [00:31:00] [discord] Note that deputy stewards, unlike the NSS group which is past now, can view suppressed material (but not suppress or unsuppress revisions) and the suppression log, and suppressed filter logs; that is, unless the deputy steward assigns themself the suppressor permission [00:32:25] [discord] not viewsuppressed, that's been rejected by the community previously, see https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_8#Alternate_proposal:_Merging_CheckUser_and_oversight_to_steward [00:32:36] [discord] I think I have a list of rights for the deputy steward group should the proposal pass: [00:32:36] [discord] * abusefilter-modify-restricted [00:32:38] [discord] * abusefilter-access-protected-vars [00:32:39] [discord] * abusefilter-protected-vars-log [00:32:40] [discord] * handle-reports [00:32:42] [discord] * abusefilter-hidden-log [00:32:43] [discord] * suppressionlog [00:32:44] [discord] * Add and remove the suppressor right from own account [00:32:58] [discord] Note that deputy stewards, unlike the NSS group which is past now, can view both the suppression log and suppressed filter logs, unless the deputy steward assigns themself the suppressor permission [00:33:06] [discord] Modified accordingly [00:34:18] [discord] You can go ahead and add this to my user subpage on deputy Stewards [00:35:57] [discord] Along with: add and remove Administrator, Bureaucrat, and IA [00:45:30] [discord] Might sound controversial, but regarding the permission of viewing the CheckUser log, should it only be restricted to stewards and no one else? [00:50:30] [discord] Might sound controversial, but regarding the permission of the CheckUser/AbuseFilter private details/private chat message logs, should they only be restricted to stewards and no one else? [00:50:37] [discord] Might sound controversial, but regarding the permissions of the CheckUser/AbuseFilter private details/private chat message logs, should they only be restricted to stewards and no one else? [01:54:28] [discord] Wanted to discuss this in more depth based on my on-wiki comment [01:54:56] [discord] I’m not really sure this is needed. Seems like anyone who would be qualified for this would be qualified to be a steward [01:55:21] [discord] Which adds additional redundancy [01:56:39] [discord] Then what exactly would you suggest as a step up to being a Steward? Should we retain the system we have now, where long standing crats are usually elected Steward? [01:57:18] [discord] IMO, there should be some level of trust above 'crat but below Steward [01:57:34] [discord] perhaps a deputy Steward role with lower permissions would suffice [01:58:25] [discord] As you know, NSS has now been removed. This deputy steward is just AFA + NSS . If the community expressed the idea that NSS is no longer necessary, I don't think that suppression rights should be granted to any other role other than steward/sys admin. [01:58:47] [discord] Then what exactly would you suggest as a step up to being a Steward? Should we retain the system we have now, where long standing, active crats are usually elected Steward? [01:59:36] [discord] I suggest making no change. I take an “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” mentality here. [02:00:11] [discord] This. [02:00:15] [discord] Anything between crat and steward seems redundant in my eyes. [02:00:51] [discord] Are the stewards struggling to keep up with tasks to warrent this new role? [02:01:36] [discord] Just because we aren't struggling with our tasks doesn't mean it wouldn't be useful to have assistance beyond the frankly limited scope of 'crats [02:01:37] [discord] There hasn't been a case of rouge steward yet. So making a user go through an unnecessary role to obtain steward isn't great. [02:02:25] [discord] There hasn't been a case of rouge steward yet. All of the stews are extremely trusted,serving as stews on other projects. So making a user go through an unnecessary role to obtain steward isn't great. [02:02:51] [discord] I agree that the scope of crat is very limited, but isn’t that by design? It is primarily a testing right anyway, just with the ability to grant other testing rights to other users. [02:03:19] [discord] Did you know I’m a former steward? [02:03:23] [discord] There hasn't been a case of rouge steward yet. All of the stews are extremely trusted,serving as stews on other projects. The election of stews also involves the community,and I don't think that they will elect an untrusted and a potential rouge steward. So making a user go through an unnecessary role to obtain steward isn't great. [02:04:08] [discord] Not to my knowledge,were your rights removed for misuse? [02:04:20] [discord] no 😭 [02:04:27] [discord] That is, in fact, by design. It's a very limited right, in terms of testing purposes [02:04:44] [discord] It's basically just nuke and import [02:05:02] [discord] Indeed [02:05:03] [discord] Of which one can be tested [02:05:08] [discord] (nuke) [02:05:30] [discord] Well import might be able to be tested [02:05:40] [discord] So long as you aren't importing massive amounts of pages [02:05:51] [discord] So I don't see any reason - in near future to make you go through Deputy Stew, and then stew. [02:06:11] [discord] as you said if you're trusted for deputy stew, then you should be a stew [02:06:54] [discord] maybe we should just leave the system the way it is for now [02:07:25] [discord] crat shouldn't become a non-test right like PTW because the "established user" requirement that I put into effect has been very effective at preventing abuse [02:07:34] [discord] and deputy stews are redundant [02:07:49] [discord] Afaik Imported pages can't be nuked,and there has been a ticket on wikimedia phab since 2007,ig. Import should be shifted to a much trusted group [02:08:16] [discord] But there hasn't been any abuse lately involving import [02:14:01] [discord] @the_globe12 surprise [02:14:24] [discord] 🎉 [02:15:14] [discord] 😂 [02:15:20] [discord] That is indeed a surprise! 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031281314 Update workflow.yml [19:55:18] [discord] @astor.pastor suppressed [19:56:53] [discord] thanks [19:56:59] [discord] it wasn't my bot, but it was me [19:57:11] [discord] but still thank you! [19:58:10] [discord] No problem! [19:58:35] [discord] @jagoda123456769 No need to block, it was simply AP accidentally editing while logged out. [19:59:35] [discord] I didn't know, an IP editor who removes content is usually a vandal 🙂 [19:59:50] [discord] It’s not your fault at all! [19:59:57] [discord] Just wanted to let you know [20:00:07] [discord] I would’ve done the same thing, not knowing [20:00:16] [discord] Sure, thanks!