[00:34:31] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> @the_globe12 I think that since sysadmin has all the rights of a Steward (including CheckUser and the non-test administrator aspect), plus even more, he has a point with wanting to be a Steward first
[00:41:17] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> System administrators do not have access to the checkuser tool afaik?
[00:42:08] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120379200893890762/1364400916748439603/Screenshot_20250422-184146.png?ex=680988df&is=6808375f&hm=e91194e10930e9c9f7a44a25c8c8f1d502ff0e98d1d04daceb1e068d3b9ceb5a&
[00:42:24] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> they have unrestricted ability to assign any rights to anyone including CU and suppressor
[00:42:29] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> It wasn’t listed under special:usergrouprights
[00:42:30] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> userrights
[00:42:53] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> Yes, but it isn’t in their capacity to use them
[00:43:03] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> right?
[00:44:44] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> In my opinion, and you are welcome to disagree, jumping through the hoops of becoming a steward and waiting many months seems unnecessary when the position you are truly seeking is one on the technical backend, where your actual interests lie.
[00:44:52] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> also they have access to the databases through backend, so a sysadmin really doesn't need to assign himself cu unless macfan restricts the on which tables one can access
[00:45:10] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> also they have access to the databases through backend, so a sysadmin really doesn't need to assign himself cu unless macfan restricts the amount of tables which one can access
[00:45:38] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> Just because they can doesn’t mean they should, or that it’s really in their capacity as a SA
[00:45:49] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> Our information pages explicitly grant them the scope to use that, besides the fact that a sysadmin needs to prevent abuse of the server and suppress illegal activity
[00:46:50] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> So how can you trust me on not to access the databases to look at user's IP , if I am not trusted to use the tool-set of a steward?
[00:46:56] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> I’m not sure we’ve encountered either of those things in the time I’ve been on the site (that I’m obv aware of)
[00:47:10] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Like you have no way of checking that - if a sys admin accessed any databases
[00:48:03] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> No one is saying you aren’t trusted with the steward tool set
[00:48:49] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Well that's your point of view. Some might disagree - that's why I chose to be elected as a steward first
[00:49:48] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> If the community in general trusts me as a steward for a certain amount of time, and I don't abuse my rights - then I should have minimum level of trust required for sys admin
[00:50:58] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> I respectfully disagree and think that waiting many months is a waste of your valuable skillset. Best of luck though!
[00:51:56] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Well, it's your opinion nonetheless—thank you for sharing your thoughts.
[08:42:42] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Hey @dreamrimmer , I was going through the community portal archives, and Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_11#Requests_for_approval_(bot)
[08:42:50] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Hey @dreamrimmer , I was going through the community portal archives, and [Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_11#Requests_for_approval_(bot)](https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_11#Requests_for_approval_(bot))
[08:42:51] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Hey @dreamrimmer , I was going through the community portal archives, and [Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_11#Requests_for_approval_(bot)](https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_11#Requests_for_approval_(bot))
[08:43:02] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Do you plan on doing this?
[08:43:06] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Hey @dreamrimmer , I was going through the community portal archives, and [Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_11#Requests_for_approval_(bot)](https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_11#Requests_for_approval_(bot))
[10:37:11] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> Another option could be making the crat right the one that requires being established
[10:37:59] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> yeah that would be much better
[10:38:11] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> sysop rights can't cause great damage
[10:38:28] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> neither can they remove crat (which assigns sysop) from other users
[10:41:12] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> I'm also working on the code for a gadget that will replace the UserRightsManager, and I was considering adding a way to decline requests using pre-filled responses. What are the common reasons for rejecting a request, and what other features should this gadget incorporate?
[10:47:58] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Most likely a sock https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Test_Wiki:Request_for_permissions#TAZER_2
[10:55:35] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> Yeah. I’ll block as a duck for now.
[10:56:18] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> Stewards can CU later and/or take over the block
[11:10:04] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> They are now using a loudspeaker to quack
[11:10:10] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> RETIRED
[11:12:44] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> They are likely the same user as IllawarraFan on SkyWiki and OasisOtis on WikiOasis and Wondabyne on Miraheze
[11:29:57] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <testinggames> blocked
[11:30:08] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <testinggames> Yeah it's RichardHornsby/DM
[11:34:31] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <the_globe12> Indeed 😂
[11:47:03] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <dreamrimmer> no
[11:47:29] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <dreamrimmer> I don't have a server
[12:55:48] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> You can use Render
[13:36:05] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <dreamrimmer> Thanks @justarandomamerican , I have one more problem. I already have many tools and bots on Wikimedia so I am not sure I can spare time to manage another bot here. @astor.pastor, would you be interested in taking on this task with your bot? feel free to do so if you are interested. You can use pywikibot's archive.py or if you need any custom functionality, I can help with that too
[13:36:18] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <dreamrimmer> also please feel free to dm me if you need help with the source code for any of your future bot tasks
[13:37:08] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> I would be happy do to so, but can you link me pywikibot's archive.py 's source code
[13:37:47] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <dreamrimmer> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/pywikibot/core/%2B/HEAD/scripts/archivebot.py
[13:38:39] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <dreamrimmer> doc https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/archivebot.py
[13:39:33] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> I see , thank you