[13:59:38] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Why there are constant login timeout errors?
[14:00:02] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Is it related to some updates on CentralAuth system?
[14:00:49] <Reedy>	 timeout? As in your being logged out more frequently than you expect to be?
[14:01:32] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> Also log out where? IDM or SUL?
[14:01:57] <wm-bb>	 <tuukkahastrup> T372702?
[14:02:16] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> I constantly cleanup my cookies, except the ones on login.wikimedia.org. As expected, other sites can detect my central login status (re @wmtelegram_bot: <Reedy> timeout? As in your being logged out more frequently than you expect to be?)
[14:02:46] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> And automatically log back in after a refresh
[14:04:12] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Over time they can get very very large. I’m using chrome on MacBook Pro (re @cvictorovich: I constantly cleanup my cookies, except the ones on login.wikimedia.org. As expected, other sites can detect my central login st...)
[14:05:28] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> SUL (re @Ladsgroup: Also log out where? IDM or SUL?)
[14:11:42] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Seemingly okay for now. Cannot figure out why
[14:12:38] <wm-bb>	 <fuzheado> Seems that "Download as PDF" is broken on en.wp, de.wp, meta, and possibly more sites. Is this a well-known issue, and I'm just slow the realize this?
[14:12:39] <wm-bb>	 <fuzheado> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375521
[14:28:32] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> also needs a friendlier error presentation. (re @fuzheado: Seems that "Download as PDF" is broken on en.wp, de.wp, meta, and possibly more sites. Is this a well-known issue, and I'm just ...)
[14:41:11] <wm-bb>	 <fuzheado> I now wonder how long this has been an error, and if there's no fix in sight, we should remove it from the standard interface for a top 10 most visited web site in the world.
[14:41:12] <wm-bb>	 <fuzheado> Oddly, Google Gemini AI says exporting PDF from REST API has not been working since October 2023 but I cannot find a definitive link or explanation of how it arrived at that conclusion. (re @jeremy_b: also needs a friendlier error presentation.)
[14:41:29] <wm-bb>	 <fuzheado> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/a82d9f55/file_65125.jpg
[14:42:01] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> what does UI to export mean?
[14:42:18] <wm-bb>	 <fuzheado> I'm not sure :) I was puzzled as well (re @jeremy_b: what does UI to export mean?)
[14:42:32] <Reedy>	 It seems a bit odd that it would've been broken nearly a year without any apparent bug reports
[14:42:55] <wm-bb>	 <fuzheado> Agree that it's odd, but not completely crazy (re @wmtelegram_bot: <Reedy> It seems a bit odd that it would've been broken nearly a year without any apparent bug reports)
[14:43:44] <Reedy>	 I do tend to just use printable version and the browser PDF functionality
[14:44:49] <Reedy>	 The logs would suggest it was probably working yesterday
[14:45:23] <Reedy>	 https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/000000309/electronpdfservice?orgId=1
[15:06:20] <Reedy>	 Yeah, it seems it may have only been broken ~12H
[15:10:26] <Reedy>	 Working again now
[15:20:10] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> PDF was working fine, i test it quite regularly. Dont trust gemini, its answers are terrible. (re @fuzheado: I now wonder how long this has been an error, and if there's no fix in sight, we should remove it from the standard interface fo...)
[15:22:26] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> Yeah, native print to pdf works just fine. Ppl just dont know how to use their devices ;) (re @wmtelegram_bot: <Reedy> I do tend to just use printable version and the browser PDF functionality)
[15:24:28] <Reedy>	 It is amusingly inefficient when it's just running chromium in the cloud for them...
[15:24:49] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> Ive suggested a print to pdf flag for JS print() a while ago, to either a working group or some of the browser vendors..
[15:24:50] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> that should mostly eradicate the need for separate PDF services completely.
[15:25:30] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> But i never followed up or actively promoted it, so theres provably not been any progress
[15:35:40] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> @Krinkle24 ^^^ interested in helping me push for that after I get back ?
[15:40:44] <wm-bb>	 <fuzheado> Agree that Google putting their Gemini/AI answers at the top of the SERP page seems like desperate "metoo-ism" given how poor the results are! (re @djhartman: PDF was working fine, i test it quite regularly. Dont trust gemini, its answers are terrible.)
[15:49:38] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> https://youtu.be/ffKEL1eXfTI (re @djhartman: PDF was working fine, i test it quite regularly. Dont trust gemini, its answers are terrible.)
[16:22:24] <wm-bb>	 <fuzheado> "Phew! I quit smoking last year and will adjust accordingly!" (re @Ladsgroup: https://youtu.be/ffKEL1eXfTI)
[16:52:42] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Is anyone else experiencing this issue (re @cvictorovich: Why there are constant login timeout errors?)
[16:53:27] <wm-bb>	 <sjoerddebruin> I don't think a lot of people copy your specific practice of clear cookings expect X
[16:54:14] <Reedy>	 Indeed; there's known logout issues... But randomly deleting cookies regularly is unlikely to be helping
[16:55:24] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Cookies indeed stack up a lot sometimes
[16:56:21] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Next time I may share a screencast if I encounter again
[16:56:39] <Reedy>	 I don't think Wikipedia et al are creating MB of them, for example
[16:57:20] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> But indeed it happens; sometimes 100+ MB (re @wmtelegram_bot: <Reedy> I don't think Wikipedia et al are creating MB of them, for example)
[16:58:27] <bd808>	 100MiB of cookies attached to a Wikimedia wiki seems very, very, very  unlikely. I guess maybe a user script or gadget could be causing that, but not the core software.
[16:58:57] <bd808>	 LocalStorage is a different thing than cookies and that will get used heavily
[16:59:10] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> I can share details if you like
[17:00:52] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> Maybe not publicly
[17:01:41] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Not now: the situation isn’t happening now
[17:02:04] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> After sometime I may reproduce it