[03:25:06] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Can locked users connect their Wikitech developer account to their SUL account
[03:46:34] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> interesting question but maybe would help to understand the use case. the user expects to be unlocked? this is CentralAuth? (re @cvictorovich: Can locked users connect their Wikitech developer account to their SUL account)
[03:47:04] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> No expectations for unlock (re @jeremy_b: interesting question but maybe would help to understand the use case. the user expects to be unlocked? this is CentralAuth?)
[03:49:17] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> so why do they care? they still edit wikitech? (re @cvictorovich: No expectations for unlock)
[03:49:18] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> or just for historical record?
[03:49:30] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Historical (re @jeremy_b: or just for historical record?)
[03:49:44] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> 4nn1l2
[04:47:19] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> I already connected my wikitech account to my SUL
[09:11:49] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> Did that user ask you this? Please forward that conversation to ca @ wikimedia.org. (re @cvictorovich: 4nn1l2)
[09:12:56] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Nope. I raised the question for all similar scenarios
[09:15:08] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> That’s not anyone’s explicit request
[09:15:48] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Nevertheless I may consult T&S for the situation anyways (re @Ladsgroup: Did that user ask you this? Please forward that conversation to ca @ wikimedia.org.)
[09:16:02] <wm-bb>	 <gopavasanth> Hi, test-commons.wikimedia.org instance seems to be closed now; do we have any other test instance for commons?
[09:16:27] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Including everyone who isn’t aware of the migration into SUL (re @cvictorovich: Nope. I raised the question for all similar scenarios)
[09:17:21] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> Please carefully read https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Global_Ban_Policy#Implications_of_a_global_ban
[09:18:30] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Yes but I don’t have any intention to act as a proxy for any globally banned users
[09:19:16] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> And then don't
[09:19:40] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Is this advisable (re @cvictorovich: Nevertheless I may consult T&S for the situation anyways)
[09:27:47] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> I don't understand why would we want to have accounts of office banned people sorted out in wikitech. But if you really like to do stuff for people who to my knowledge has done really awful stuff, by all means consult T&S
[09:39:03] <andre>	 cvictorovich: Why care? There's likely many other more important things to spend time on than merging accounts of banned users
[10:14:35] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> To merge accounts for all people, including them (re @wmtelegram_bot: <andre> cvictorovich: Why care? There's likely many other more important things to spend time on than merging accounts of banned...)
[10:15:06] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Especially who doesn’t know the migration or who cannot do themselves
[10:15:10] <andre>	 cvictorovich: Sure. But my question was: Why care?
[10:15:56] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> That’s because otherwise we may create more mess (re @wmtelegram_bot: <andre> cvictorovich: Sure. But my question was: Why care?)
[10:15:58] <wm-bb>	 <sjoerddebruin> Also the group will probably be incredibly small
[10:16:20] <andre>	 cvictorovich: Why do you think there will be "more mess"?
[10:16:41] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Imagine what happened back in 2015
[10:16:59] <RhinosF1>	 Is there going to be more mess
[10:17:16] <andre>	 cvictorovich: So what happened back in 2015? Could you be less mysterious please?
[10:17:25] <RhinosF1>	 If the usernames match, they can be merged anytime
[10:17:43] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> When we implemented SUL completely, many many usernames with ~xxwiki suffix was created
[10:17:44] <RhinosF1>	 If it's a dangling account with a matching global one
[10:18:14] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> We messed up the global account table a lot
[10:19:30] <wm-bb>	 <sjoerddebruin> I don't see any correct other way for 2015. AFAIK people where notified of the process and could change their name to something that doesn't conflict.
[10:19:38] <andre>	 Merging separate accounts across >800 systems each versus having accounts in two systems is a very different situation, I'd say
[10:20:19] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Some of them actually belong to the same user: they used different names on different sites (re @cvictorovich: When we implemented SUL completely, many many usernames with ~xxwiki suffix was created)
[10:21:11] <wm-bb>	 <sjoerddebruin> We can't fix the past
[10:21:47] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> But we can prevent the past from happening again, that’s now what we’re facing again
[10:26:34] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> This can be inferred from what they wrote on their pages. An example: I’m [somebody] on [another project] (re @cvictorovich: Some of them actually belong to the same user: they used different names on different sites)
[12:41:39] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> Again. It doesn't matter. Sure. There will be several thousand accounts with ~wikitech in them and that's fine. Specially for banned users that barely would hit 100
[14:45:40] <wm-bb>	 <Krinkle24> Yes, the beta cluster. https://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page (re @gopavasanth: Hi, test-commons.wikimedia.org instance seems to be closed now; do we have any other test instance for commons?)