[11:48:21] @gopavasanth I've arranged family matters to attend (though I'll won't join for the last day) [11:50:29] tehreedy: the details about the different airports and how well connected they are to Milan itself is useful (absent from the wiki but detailed on that doc for scholars) [11:56:18] Splendid news (re @wmtelegram_bot: @gopavasanth I've arranged family matters to attend (though I'll won't join for the last day)) [12:16:35] Awesome! A couple questions: Does this trained data - all of the data is of Wikimedia commons data? (re @wmtelegram_bot: @gopavasanth I've arranged family matters to attend (though I'll won't join for the last day)) [12:19:09] gopavasanth: we didn't train the models and the datase used to train the models is for sure not wikimedia commands data (but maybe some is). But the search is done only on wikimedia commons data [12:19:34] Then it should be put on the wiki if it’s not there… (re @wmtelegram_bot: tehreedy: the details about the different airports and how well connected they are to Milan itself is useful (absen...) [12:25:13] Thank you for the flag! We're managing a lot of details and trying to stay on top of all of them. We didn't realize we had missed sharing this in on the Wiki and will ensure that is updated today. (re @wmtelegram_bot: tehreedy: the details about the different airports and how well connected they are to Milan itself is useful (absen...) [12:34:32] Cool, thanks for sharing. (re @wmtelegram_bot: gopavasanth: we didn't train the models and the datase used to train the models is for sure not wikimedia commands ...) [12:48:54] @carandraug: Could you sign up here? So we could make the tool work on either toolforge / cloud vps, which ever works for this project. (re @wmtelegram_bot: gopavasanth: we didn't train the models and the datase used to train the models is for sure not wikimedia commands ...) [12:49:05] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T424092 (re @gopavasanth: @carandraug: Could you sign up here? So we could make the tool work on either toolforge / cloud vps, which ever works for this p...) [15:01:59] Travel info for Milan: as I was doing some research on shops and supermarkets close by the venue (I'm always a bit anxious when the venue/hotel is outside of the main city center) I created a section on the Travel page about *nearby supermarkets* where you can find groceries but also items such as power plugs, electronics etc. [15:02:00] Feel free to improve the section if you know more about the area: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2026/Travel#Supermarkets_near_the_venue [15:02:02] Also keep in mind that Friday, May 1st is a holiday in Italy and most shops and services may be closed or operating at reduced hours/frequency. [15:02:27] Brilliant! Thank you for doing this! (re @Auregann: Travel info for Milan: as I was doing some research on shops and supermarkets close by the venue (I'm always a bit anxious when ...) [15:41:06] for anyone who hasn't yet booked the hotels, I found something odd. The thursday -> friday at the hotel is more expensive that the other nights (I guess this is more of an expo / industry area so weekends and holiday nights are cheaper). When booking all nights, the price given was the most expensive night times the number of nights. Making a separate reservation for the first night means the total price was cheaper (but possibly means [15:41:06] having to move rooms). Personally, because the thursday -> friday night was the issue and that's before the hackathon start I ended up booking a cheaper hotel for that one night [15:42:28] Hotels need an easier version of what is called "split ticketing" for trains - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fare_avoidance [15:47:19] Reedy: that reminds I want to email the portuguese train company about it. Often there are no tickets available for the long journey but I've manually done that split and often it is possible to buy separate tickets. But then, their online platform, because you need to provide your citizen id, notices you having two tickets for the same train number and refuses to sell you the ticket [15:47:33] :( [15:47:51] Thankfully the UK systems don't ask for names etc, and will happily sell you all sorts of tickets [15:48:20] The European Commission is proposing a plan about international train travelling next month afaik [15:48:58] Which includes booking systems that allow 1 sales point and requiring to show other sales points [15:49:02] "You should be able to travel internationally on trains" [15:49:07] damn, wasn't quick enough :P [15:49:28] A delay makes sense in that sense ;) [15:52:46] Reedy: you can also buy train tickets in Portugal without ID cards. But if you have a subscription (and you do if you use the trans frequently because then it's a *lot* cheaper), then you do need to provide it, which is when the check I mentioned above is triggered [17:54:25] maybe time to update pins? lose the November 10 msg? (re @BeeBee_P: Brilliant! Thank you for doing this!) [18:22:05] I am getting mixed messages from the pages onwiki. On the Travel tab it says: [18:22:06] You’ll be able to get free public Wi-Fi in most areas of the city using Open WiFi Milano” (municipality network). You can also get Wi-Fi at the airports and network-specific access at Milan Centrale station. [18:22:08] But on the Venue & Milan tab it says: [18:22:09] avoid using public wifi hotspots and try to stick to an single approved conference wifi. [18:22:11] If I should avoid all public wifi in Milan, why even mention that there is one? [18:28:07] maybe you'll bring your five devices and each of them has a well-defined different use case / threat model :P [18:29:18] and maybe one of them is providing VPN for other devices. then can you use public for everything? (re @wmtelegram_bot: maybe you'll bring your five devices and each of them has a well-defined different use case / threat model :P) [18:35:25] From the point list on the Venue & Milan tab, it first says use VPN, but later _still_ says avoid public wifi, so that doesn't seem recommended by the organizers. Or are that also mixed messages? (re @jeremy_b: and maybe one of them is providing VPN for other devices. then can you use public for everything?) [19:38:23] I’d say, consider how vulnerable you are. Im not connecting a machine that has all my ssh keys to various very sensitive systems, to a public wifi. [19:39:12] Definitely not at airports, or anything else so public that anyone can fake it. [19:39:14] Even in hotels i generally use vpn, often even via my phone as uplink instead of the wifi. [19:39:15] But some people may want to use - hotel wifi on their phone [19:39:17] 🤷 what Andre said different people have different threat model. also some people have more secure systems? e.g. immutable OS, keys embedded on yubikey, etc. (re @Jan_ainali: From the point list on the Venue & Milan tab, it first says use VPN, but later still says avoid public wifi, so that doesn't see...) [21:24:47] Agreeing with DJ's and jeremyb's points above: Public wifis may not be the most secure, so are probably not the best places to connect sensitive devices. If you are going to connect to them, a VPN would be useful. [21:24:48] That said, some folks might need to briefly connect to a public wifi when they land so they can get transit instructions, confirm their safe arrival with family, etc. There's wifi to do those things at airports and on public transit. [21:24:50] So try to only use the conference wifi, but if you need to connect to other wifis to get around, then be aware of the vulnerabilities. [21:24:51] BUT! I see how the language could be confusing so if you have suggestions on how to improve it, I'm all ears. [21:24:53] Or eyes, given that we're typing.