[06:23:25] I've traveled to a lot of different countries in Europe, near Asia and America and the laptop power has been electrical compatible bc they design them this way. I only needed the physical plug adapter. [06:23:56] Check the wattage on that transformer thing (1600w) and your hair dryer. Hair dryers can be more than 1600w. Also that thing says its 220v to 110v, but i think milan is 220v, so that is transforming in the wrong direction. [06:24:44] All Europe today, AFAIK is 220v [06:24:59] Ive never needed a transformer in my international travels. Usually my laptop charger, phone charger, etc are 110-220 so can just use an "adapter" instead [06:32:20] Looks like more are 230 V nowadays. Even Italy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity_by_country#Table_of_mains_voltages,_frequencies,_and_plugs (re @IsmaelOlea: All Europe today, AFAIK is 220v) [06:40:03] Sono arrivato a Milano! [06:40:03] But I have a problem: my hostel lets me in only at 14:00, but I am already in Milan. I have nowhere to leave my baggage for five hours. Can someone help me with that? [06:42:00] sure (re @Tohaomg: Sono arrivato a Milano! [06:42:02] But I have a problem: my hostel lets me in only at 14:00, but I am already in Milan. I have nowhere to ...) [06:50:59] There are luggage storage in a few of the main stations (I remember Garibaldi and Centrale), and probably many more across the city [06:51:44] But don't your hostel allow you to leave your luggage to them before check in? Most do, generally [06:52:33] Where are you staying and where are you now? [09:30:49] Now let's hope that the venue's IP isn't blocked🤗 [10:16:21] surely we can fix that (re @itsnyoty: Now let's hope that the venue's IP isn't blocked🤗) [10:18:08] Nah, if it's blocked we just head out to the city with everyone 😁 [10:18:55] Whole new levels of blocking these days. We also ran into issues at the Arnhem hackathon (re @jeremy_b: surely we can fix that) [10:20:23] Hopefully the SREs on site manage to grab the IP ranges and enhance rate those early (if its not already been done) - I run into issues with Phab some days using the train wifi on the commute 😅 [12:28:16] Ciao a tutti, messaggio per i borsisti WMI: abbiamo saputo da WFM che, a causa di alcune cancellazioni last minute, ci sono 6 camere disponibili al Voco. Qualcuno ha una prenotazione cancellabile altrove oppure è ancora in cerca di una sistemazione ed è interessato? [13:35:20] @gopavasanth: done [13:44:03] is Restorante Betulle and Betulla the same restaurant and just a typo? Or do we go somewhere else in the evening [13:45:20] They're the same [13:46:59] So which is the correct name? [13:47:09] and is it Voco's restaurant? [13:49:23] Betulla [13:52:48] there is this https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikimania-hackathon-2026/ which I guess was meant to go to the wikimedia-hackathon instead of wikimania? [13:54:07] it could be the tag for the hackathon that will be done at Wikimania, a separate occurrence [13:55:20] at least one of the tasks there was meant to go to wikimedia hackathon so I moved it [15:45:41] Anyone else is already here, in Milan, who wants to have a couple of beer at or near the venue? [15:50:32] There's at least a couple of WMF staff already there, but some of them not seemingly in here [15:58:34] 📣 *Attention Scholarship Recipients!* As many of you begin your journey, we wanted to share a few reminders: [15:58:35] 📄 Please review the *Scholarship Briefing Guide* that was emailed to you by travelmanager@wikimedia.org on April 16th. This should answer most - if not all - of your questions! [15:58:36] ✈️ *If your flight gets cancelled or you miss your connection*, please speak with someone at the airline counter *first*. If they're not able to assist you, call Amex's Belgium office at *+34 910-507-746*. Their email address should NOT be used for emergencies. [15:58:38] 🚫 The items inside the minibar of your hotel room at the Voco are *for purchase only*. The hotel has made an exception for us and will *not *be asking anyone to provide a personal credit card at check-in. However, this means that any incidental charges (i.e., minibar) will automatically be charged to Wikimedia's master account if you do not pay for them separately. [15:58:38] Please ensu [15:58:39] re you notify the hotel if you consume any items from the minibar. [16:02:35] I would be there already if it was up to me, but travel days for scholarships are locked now (re @Tohaomg: Anyone else is already here, in Milan, who wants to have a couple of beer at or near the venue?) [16:04:45] I assume too late to change now but in the past (e.g. hackathon last year) it was ok to modify dates after the initial booking was finalized. but depends on tariff terms for whatever they booked you. (re @sjoerddebruin: I would be there already if it was up to me, but travel days for scholarships are locked now) [16:05:11] I think I tried that for Turkey but only got business class options offered [17:23:31] I succeeded for Turkish airlines. (re @sjoerddebruin: I think I tried that for Turkey but only got business class options offered) [17:45:00] …just so I understand, the only way for me to get from the train station to the hotel is to create a Uber account (which I don't have) with the email I use for Wikimedia stuff, linking it to my real identity and my phone number? (I do not have email on my phone) [17:46:37] what are the prices of an actual taxi (wheelchair-friendly) in Milan? [17:47:42] Can you please reach out to the Travel Team if you have questions on your specific travel situation? It's hard to provide guidance without knowing the details of your individual travel schedule. (re @Harmonia: …just so I understand, the only way for me to get from the train station to the hotel is to create a Uber account (which I don't...) [17:47:51] have you asked travelmanager@ by email? I don't know who of them are in the air when (now or tomorrow) but I can ask in person for you if you don't get an answer remotely. oh nvm Bee is typing. (re @Harmonia: …just so I understand, the only way for me to get from the train station to the hotel is to create a Uber account (which I don't...) [17:48:34] on a tour today I was told that Uber does more expensive cabs on their own and the regular Uber service is just them dispatching regular city cabs. [17:49:54] another option is (but not instead of email to travelmanager): I'm about to be in a few minutes at venue hotel and I can ask them about how someone would typically get an accessible cab. [17:56:02] How is the weather? [17:56:29] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/03d9acac/file_79771.jpg [17:56:44] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/205eb83c/excellent_happy.mp4 [17:57:10] maybe I'm an outlier but shorts T-shirt and sandals (re @IsmaelOlea: How is the weather?) [18:02:37] Hi Harmonia, there are some apps that you can use to book a taxi in Milan. There is InTaxi and Freenow, from what I can see. (re @Harmonia: …just so I understand, the only way for me to get from the train station to the hotel is to create a Uber account (which I don't...) [18:03:52] (re @Erin: 📣 Attention Scholarship Recipients! As many of you begin your journey, we wanted to share a few reminders: [18:03:53] 📄 Please review the ...) [18:03:57] is there no public transportation between the train station and the hotel? Is public transportation usable by wheelchair? [18:05:13] We just received your email and will respond now (re @Harmonia: is there no public transportation between the train station and the hotel? Is public transportation usable by wheelchair?) [18:06:32] I saw no signs of wheelchair access at the S5/S6 Cortesa where I took my suitcase up stairs by hand. (re @Harmonia: is there no public transportation between the train station and the hotel? Is public transportation usable by wheelchair?) [18:07:49] I don't remember elevator situation in Istanbul but I would say if you are able to take escalators then Istanbul was better than Paris or Milano (re @Harmonia: is there no public transportation between the train station and the hotel? Is public transportation usable by wheelchair?) [18:08:07] I don't have enough experience with it to give you a reliable answer, my feeling is "more no than yes". (re @Harmonia: is there no public transportation between the train station and the hotel? Is public transportation usable by wheelchair?) [18:09:02] Are you on a scholarship or self-funded? [18:09:10] scholarship (re @sjoerddebruin: Are you on a scholarship or self-funded?) [18:10:08] Feel with the shuttles between the train station and the hotel you should be accommodated imho for equality [18:10:16] I should have taken care of this sooner but I didn't expect the shuttles would be in fact an uber voucher [18:10:28] What? [18:10:30] Google offers this station for wheelchair, I will inspect more thoroughly shortly. (re @jeremy_b: I saw no signs of wheelchair access at the S5/S6 Cortesa station where I took my suitcase up stairs by hand.) [18:10:57] (tonight) [18:10:57] and I won't link my wikimedian email account to either my phone number, my real identity, or my debit card (all amounting to the same) [18:11:08] I haven't heard anything about it being a voucher [18:11:13] so I'm now scrambling for an alternate solution ❤️ [18:14:48] (if that is the "wheelchair alternative" to the shuttles I feel it's insufficient) (re @sjoerddebruin: I haven't heard anything about it being a voucher) [18:16:50] I think that's the general solution for everyone arriving later to the airport/train than the shuttles (re @sjoerddebruin: (if that is the "wheelchair alternative" to the shuttles I feel it's insufficient)) [18:17:07] Ahhhh [18:17:22] Yeah, it is for staff too [18:17:23] > Please enjoy this Uber voucher, courtesy of Wikimedia Travel, as your arrival time falls outside of our fixed arrival shuttle schedule. You may use this to get to the hotel from the airport/train station [18:19:39] you are all lovely, and ❤️ to the organising team, we'll solve that [18:23:43] Worst case, you can presumably expense it, but I don't know how expensive a taxi from the airport would be, so that is obviously a concern [18:23:44] The trains do run fairly late (0156 is the latest one Friday morning, and starting again 0426), they just drop off in frequency (rather than every 15 mins it looks like) after 2200 [18:24:03] You won't be the first person in this situation with taxis and Uber and linking personal identity for sure :) [18:24:39] I was also thinking about expensing it but even if Harmonia could afford it it's not a universal solution, some people won't be able to lay out the funds. (re @tehreedy: Worst case, you can presumably expense it, but I don't know how expensive a taxi from the airport would be, so that is obviously...) [18:25:21] Hence my comment about how expensive it would be ;) [18:26:15] Hotels are known to pay for taxis and put them on your room, and even someone else paying for it on your arrival (time dependent as to how easy that is!) [18:26:34] Harmonia Feel free to DM me... But are you on a late flight from Paris by any chance tomorrow? [18:27:01] They weren't lying about the prices : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/fab7670a/file_79774.jpg [18:27:11] I'm already discussing with someone thank you ❤️ (re @tehreedy: Harmonia Feel free to DM me... But are you on a late flight from Paris by any chance tomorrow?) [18:28:16] Erin If Harmonia is on the same flight as me (as I'm due to arrive MXP at 2300), I'm happy to ride share etc [18:30:34] (or even around the same time) [18:31:19] @carandraug I've added my name here too: T424068 as a secondary dev. Lets connect during hackathon and plan for the next steps... [18:31:21] I'm coming by train with another Wikimedian :) [18:32:43] From Garibaldi station Freenow says 20-32€ and from Central station it says 25-40€ (re @sjoerddebruin: They weren't lying about the prices) [18:33:07] Is the schedule of the shuttle at the wiki page? [18:34:31] I haven't see one, usually for arrivals the team on the ground has a list with expected arrivals (re @IsmaelOlea: Is the schedule of the shuttle at the wiki page?) [18:40:30] the hotel has a free shuttle to the local transit btw. must reserve in advance and they weren't sure if it's accessible. but anyway it's the wrong time of day for Harmonia. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/fe408e76/file_79775.jpg [18:50:27] ugh the official transit app (atm.it) has only fastest, fewest transfers or least walking for preferences. no option for wheelchair. (guessing they might have the best quality data. maybe...) (re @tehreedy: Worst case, you can presumably expense it, but I don't know how expensive a taxi from the airport would be, so that is obviously...) [18:54:17] The atm.it website is quite bad, but this page may be helpful: https://isb.atm.it/ [18:54:37] I meant Android (re @dhinus: The atm.it website is quite bad, but this page may be helpful: https://isb.atm.it/) [18:55:13] Ah sorry you said app, but anyways it's also quite bad :) [19:55:53] there's a swastika that needs dealing with. sometimes I might deal with myself if smaller or on a different surface or both. (sharpie can be erased with ordinary hand sanitizer and if small on a flat surface can just cover with a sticker) who can I talk to about that. within a few mins walk of voco but off property. lmk if you need a picture. [19:56:32] my wild guess is it's illegal? [20:06:19] Yep, it is, but as we say "the mother of stupid is always pregnant" [20:06:43] I guess it should be removed by the city service [20:08:29] [OT] Interestingly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols states it's not illegal per-se in Italy [20:09:32] in NYC if that were on a subway car they would immediately take it out of service. (they once even did so after I had already hand sanitizer erased the sharpie) so I guess I was wondering if there was a way to prioritize over other sorts of cleaning. (re @Sannita: I guess it should be removed by the city service) [20:11:46] even so, this is I think public property not e.g. your apartment window or car window/bumper. (re @malyacko: [OT] Interestingly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols states it's not illegal per-se in Italy) [20:12:24] No, unfortunately not, cleaning up of graffiti is unfortunately at the bottom of the list of things for a city administration (re @jeremy_b: in NYC if that were on a subway car they would immediately take it out of service. (they once even did so after I had already ha...) [20:21:46] Maybe good to know that this Sunday, during wmhack, it's the Digital Independence Day 🤩 [20:21:47] https://di.day/ [20:58:23] did I understand correctly there's not any sort of staff near the front door besides the front desk itself. some questions may be very quick and not need the front desk like just asking for directions or to pick up luggage with a claim ticket. (or like tonight to tell them something was broken) there was a non-trivial line waiting for check in. actually I left and [20:58:23] had a walk arou [20:58:24] nd the whole ground floor and came back to get on line again. [21:31:39] for some reason I can't send messages in the telegram chat.. [21:34:58] did you authenticate through the bot in pinned message? (re @wmtelegram_bot: for some reason I can't send messages in the telegram chat..) [21:35:07] or we can manually approve people [21:35:33] have now, whoops! (re @jeremy_b: did you authenticate through the bot in pinned message?) [21:36:08] great, 👋 👍 [21:56:22] re earlier: also fwiw, bigger picture: I talked to a local about it tonight and their solution was call the police. which I don't want to do. in NYC there's a phone number to call for non-emergencies including non-police matters. (311 instead of 911) we should, I hope, be cutting back on the scope of police not increasing. idk if there's such a number here. [23:03:11] correction: this S5/S6/S11/RE 13 station (and corrected name: Certosa) has ramps that lead underground from outside and then an elevator to/from each platform. but at least one of those elevators wasn't working tonight. (re @jeremy_b: I saw no signs of wheelchair access at the S5/S6 Certosa station where I took my suitcase up stairs by hand.) [23:05:17] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/7718f552/file_79781.jpg [23:58:41] Anyone who has joined recently and hasn’t found the pinned message about getting voiced: go to https://wikitelegram.toolforge.org/?channel=-1001116145482