[07:24:01] 06Project-Admins: Create project tag for - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405062 (10Bhuvana_Meenakshi) 03NEW [09:36:23] 10Continuous-Integration-Config, 10Math, 10MediaWiki-Platform-Team (Radar), 10MW-1.45-notes (1.45.0-wmf.20; 2025-09-23), 13Patch-For-Review: Allow control over which extra extensions are installed (Math REL1_43 jobs exceed 60min timeout) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T389998#11196707 (10hashar) [09:58:47] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ), 07Essential-Work, 05Release, 05Train Deployments: 1.45.0-wmf.20 deployment blockers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396381#11196734 (10A_smart_kitten) [11:10:25] jnuche: do I understand your "older envs don't have those labels" comment in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405035#11196930 correctly, to mean that this error should only occur when rebuilding an older environment? [11:11:11] A_smart_kitten: yeah, that's my current working theory [11:12:27] "older" as in created before yesterday at 13:29 UTC :) [11:12:29] jnuche: huh, bc the envionment i rebuilt had only been created initially less than 20mins or so beforehand. (I had to rebuild it to take in a DNM patch I created to enable a couple of config vars, in lieu of T372980 :P) [11:12:29] T372980: Provide a way to override MW configs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T372980 [11:13:00] (03PS1) 10Hslater: Zuul: [mediawiki/extensions/BlueSpiceDistributionConnector] Add PDFCreator dependency [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1189831 [11:13:39] ah, I didn't mean to imply old as in "it's been running for a while". Anything created before the time I mention above should be affected [11:14:28] (03CR) 10CI reject: [V:04-1] Zuul: [mediawiki/extensions/BlueSpiceDistributionConnector] Add PDFCreator dependency [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1189831 (owner: 10Hslater) [11:14:41] A_smart_kitten: I think I have a fix, but I'd like to confirm my theory first [11:15:03] ah, i didn't see your second reply before i sent mine; but as it happens, the env this happened to me on yesterday was initially created at 2025-09-18 17:56:36 [11:15:11] (03PS2) 10Hslater: Zuul: [mediawiki/extensions/BlueSpiceDistributionConnector] Add dependency [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1189831 [11:15:33] according to the patch demo UI, which seems accurate to my memory [11:15:51] hum, yeah, that wouldn't fit then [11:17:06] FWIW i just rebuilt 3387e46cc4 without changing any of the config and I didn't get this error [11:18:00] (btw, would you like me to copy this IRC chat into the task for reference from there?) [11:19:31] sure [11:34:25] (03PS1) 10Ilias Sarantopoulos: inference-services: remove nsfw pipelines [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1189843 [11:38:11] (03PS2) 10Ilias Sarantopoulos: inference-services: remove nsfw pipelines [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1189843 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405083) [11:50:16] 10Phabricator: No notification is sent to a task when a new subtask of it is created & that new subtask's status is "Open" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405084 (10A_smart_kitten) 03NEW [11:55:33] 10Phabricator, 06Release-Engineering-Team, 07Developer Productivity, 13Patch-For-Review: Disable parent task metadata by default for new sub tasks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T239378#11197088 (10A_smart_kitten) >>! In T239378#9863764, @matmarex wrote: > This would be an excellent change. However, c... [12:24:17] 10Phabricator: No notification is sent to a task when a new subtask of it is created & that new subtask's status is "Open" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405084#11197195 (10A_smart_kitten) [14:28:05] (03PS3) 10Jforrester: Zuul: [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] Remove dependency on GuidedTour [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1187443 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264359) (owner: 10Tchanders) [14:29:25] (03CR) 10Jforrester: "I've also dropped the phan dependency, per your patch." [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1187443 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264359) (owner: 10Tchanders) [15:02:11] (03CR) 10Dreamy Jazz: "We specifically didn't drop the Phan dependency so that we don't break the release branches. See the comment above: https://gerrit.wikimed" [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1187443 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264359) (owner: 10Tchanders) [15:07:40] (03CR) 10Dreamy Jazz: "AFAICS the PHPUnit tests would not fail as they don't actually test any code that calls `GuidedTourLauncher::launchTour`." [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1187443 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264359) (owner: 10Tchanders) [15:19:22] 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure, 07Zuul, 10Wikidata, 10ci-test-error (WMF-deployed Build Failure), 10Wikidata-Omega (The Board): Zuul does not support Gerrit rebase submit strategy correctly, may merge deterministically broken code (breaking all ... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400918#11197731 [15:36:12] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Doing 😎), 07Epic, 07OKR-Work: [FY25-26 WE6.1.1] Move image build to deployment server and update for backports - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398868#11197783 (10dancy) @bd808 The work in the title of this ticket was completed a while ago. Shall we mark this resolved? [15:37:17] 10Scap: Allow the same namespace name to be used in different clusters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405110 (10dancy) 03NEW [15:37:34] 10Scap: Allow the same namespace name to be used in different clusters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405110#11197797 (10dancy) [15:37:36] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ), 07Epic, 10Quality-and-Test-Engineering-Team (Test Infrastructure): Pretrain (nÊe Group -1) QTE validation environment - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369112#11197798 (10dancy) [15:44:44] (03update) 10dancy: kubernetes.py: Handle multiple clusters better [repos/releng/scap] - 10https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/releng/scap/-/merge_requests/999 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402350 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405110) [15:44:49] (03update) 10dancy: kubernetes.py: Handle multiple clusters better [repos/releng/scap] - 10https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/releng/scap/-/merge_requests/999 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405110) [15:48:51] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ), 07OKR-Work: Modify wmf/next branching process to avoid leaving an incomplete branch on failure - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401749#11197826 (10bd808) [15:48:54] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Doing 😎), 07Epic, 07OKR-Work: [FY25-26 WE6.1.1] Move image build to deployment server and update for backports - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398868#11197827 (10bd808) [15:48:57] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ), 07Epic, 10Quality-and-Test-Engineering-Team (Test Infrastructure): Pretrain (nÊe Group -1) QTE validation environment - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369112#11197828 (10bd808) [15:49:37] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ), 07OKR-Work: wmf/next branch cut job on releases-jenkins and systemd timer on deployment server times overlap - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404399#11197830 (10bd808) [15:49:40] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Doing 😎), 07Epic, 07OKR-Work: [FY25-26 WE6.1.1] Move image build to deployment server and update for backports - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398868#11197831 (10bd808) [15:49:42] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ), 07Epic, 10Quality-and-Test-Engineering-Team (Test Infrastructure): Pretrain (nÊe Group -1) QTE validation environment - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369112#11197832 (10bd808) [15:53:34] 06Release-Engineering-Team, 10MediaWiki-extensions-Graph, 10MW-1.45-notes (1.45.0-wmf.18; 2025-09-09), 13Patch-For-Review, 07Technical-Debt: Undeploy Graph from Wikimedia production wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362317#11197845 (10Lejonel) When this extenstion was undeployed. Translations fo... [16:05:01] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Doing 😎), 07Epic, 07OKR-Work: [FY25-26 WE6.1.1] Move image build to deployment server and update for backports - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398868#11197867 (10bd808) >>! In T398868#11197783, @dancy wrote: > @bd808 The work in the title of this ticket was completed a while... [16:17:48] (03update) 10dancy: kubernetes.py: Handle multiple clusters better [repos/releng/scap] - 10https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/releng/scap/-/merge_requests/999 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405110) [16:37:42] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Doing 😎), 07Essential-Work, 05Release, 05Train Deployments: 1.45.0-wmf.19 deployment blockers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396380#11197926 (10thcipriani) 05Open→03Resolved [16:41:43] (03update) 10dancy: kubernetes.py: Handle multiple clusters better [repos/releng/scap] - 10https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/releng/scap/-/merge_requests/999 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405110) [16:57:42] 10Phabricator, 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ): Tasks created via certain Forms do not allow editing the task - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403885#11197964 (10A_smart_kitten) > That is because edit forms 10, 76, 110, 120 restrict the task's default "Edit Policy" for unknown reasons to {t... [17:19:58] (03open) 10dduvall: ci: Testing gitlab-runners-staging (DO NOT MERGE) [repos/releng/blubber] - 10https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/releng/blubber/-/merge_requests/151 [17:34:04] (03CR) 10Jforrester: "> So, I'd prefer to not drop the Phan dependency" [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1187443 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264359) (owner: 10Tchanders) [17:51:01] (03PS4) 10Jforrester: Zuul: [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] Remove dependency on GuidedTour [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1187443 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264359) (owner: 10Tchanders) [17:53:04] (03CR) 10Jforrester: "How's this as a way forward for now?" [integration/config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1187443 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264359) (owner: 10Tchanders) [17:53:23] on the new zuul setup: zuul-nodepool can now communicate with zookeeper [17:53:45] to achieve that I had to weaken isolation between container and host system ..but I dont think there was any other expectation here [17:54:10] happy to report the errors of not being able to connect are gone [19:12:29] 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure (Zuul upgrade), 07Essential-Work: Set up zuul scheduler of zuul1001 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405118 (10thcipriani) 03NEW [19:12:51] 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure (Zuul upgrade), 07Essential-Work: Set up zuul scheduler on zuul1001 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405118#11198241 (10thcipriani) [19:22:27] 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure (Zuul upgrade), 07Essential-Work: Set up zuul web on zuul1001 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405119 (10thcipriani) 03NEW [19:29:29] 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure (Zuul upgrade), 07Essential-Work: Test new zuul test VMs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405120 (10thcipriani) 03NEW [19:30:25] Project mediawiki-core-doxygen build #13692: 04FAILURE in 12 min: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mediawiki-core-doxygen/13692/ [19:31:06] 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure (Zuul upgrade), 07Essential-Work: Set up zuul scheduler on zuul1001 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405118#11198281 (10thcipriani) [19:31:20] (03update) 10dduvall: ci: Testing gitlab-runners-staging (DO NOT MERGE) [repos/releng/blubber] - 10https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/releng/blubber/-/merge_requests/151 [19:34:58] If anyone is around who can deal with acl*Project-Admins requests, because apparently I can't any more: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T706#11191124 [19:35:09] huh [19:38:13] I'd expect if that project had changed somehow it'd show up in the https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/manage/1776/ [19:52:50] 10Phabricator, 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ): Explore internal Event Triggers to potentially automate some housekeeping work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403414#11198297 (10Aklapper) Laying out the base for this in upstream https://we.phorge.it/T16267 / https://we.phorge.it/D26357 [19:52:59] 10Phabricator, 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ): Explore internal Event Triggers to potentially automate some housekeeping work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403414#11198299 (10Aklapper) 05Open→03Stalled [19:57:40] (03update) 10dduvall: ci: Testing gitlab-runners-staging (DO NOT MERGE) [repos/releng/blubber] - 10https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/releng/blubber/-/merge_requests/151 [20:00:06] 06Project-Admins, 07Tracking-Neverending: Requests for addition to the #acl*Project-Admins group (in comments) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T706#11198302 (10thcipriani) >>! In T706#11191124, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote: >>>! In T706#11191105, @BTracy-WMF wrote: >> Hello, >> >> The Wikidata Platform team was... [20:02:25] thcipriani: It might have changed ages ago; I don't think I've added anyone to the group for a few years, certainly. [20:02:41] It's fine, just I was confused. :-) [20:03:33] gj avoiding new/old hats James_F :) [20:03:40] * James_F tries. :-D [20:05:02] Although in this case I think it's more that my hat got so dusty it stopped working. Or something. [20:05:51] metaphors [20:11:32] Hmm, "Editable by Administrators", been like that since 2016... not sure you were a Phab admin in the past though [20:11:47] I definitely used to give out access somehow. [20:11:57] strange [20:12:01] But eh, happy for andre to do all the work. :-) [20:12:12] ehehe, you mean my bots [20:12:43] Oh, wasn't I previously a Phab-admin as a RelEnger via an LDAP group and then that went away when the ACLs were tweaked to be more specific? [20:12:45] Or something. [20:13:04] Yes, you're right, I'm happy for andre's bot thcipriani to do all the work. ;-) [20:13:29] LDAP groups can't affect phab ACLs [20:13:56] yeah Phab doesn't support an external source for permissions [20:20:08] beep boop. [20:23:04] (03update) 10dduvall: ci: Testing gitlab-runners-staging (DO NOT MERGE) [repos/releng/blubber] - 10https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/releng/blubber/-/merge_requests/151 [20:29:09] 10Phabricator: display "policy" group memberships in phabricator user profiles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403778#11198388 (10Aklapper) For the records, I just merged "User Profile Projects box: Always show View All and number of projects" (https://we.phorge.it/D26332) in upstream. [20:30:17] 10Phabricator: display "policy" group memberships in phabricator user profiles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403778#11198391 (10Aklapper) [20:30:18] 10Phabricator, 10Release-Engineering-Team (Priority Backlog đŸ“Ĩ): Update to Phorge upstream / Arcanist upstream (after 2025-09-08 done in T404134) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404375#11198392 (10Aklapper) [20:30:39] Yippee, build fixed! [20:30:39] Project mediawiki-core-doxygen build #13693: 09FIXED in 12 min: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mediawiki-core-doxygen/13693/ [20:33:55] 10Phabricator: Allow Security Team members to see MFA status of a Phab user account - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401106#11198411 (10Aklapper) Also note that after merging https://we.phorge.it/D26315 in upstream and resolving {T404375},, Phab admins will be able to take a look at the member list of any pr... [21:39:04] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Doing 😎), 07Epic, 07OKR-Work: [FY25-26 WE6.1.1] Move image build to deployment server and update for backports - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398868#11198503 (10bd808) 05Open→03Resolved a:03dancy See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Release_Engineering_Team... [22:55:29] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Doing 😎), 07Essential-Work: Automatically notify Catalyst when an env deployment's state changes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396871#11198693 (10thcipriani) [22:55:59] 10Release-Engineering-Team (Doing 😎), 07Essential-Work: Update Catalyst's helm charts to use Bitnami Legacy charts to avoid brownouts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403766#11198694 (10thcipriani) [23:31:26] Project mediawiki-core-doxygen build #13696: 04FAILURE in 13 min: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mediawiki-core-doxygen/13696/