[01:20:39] argh, it is actually trying to call back, and it is not allowed to [01:31:42] I finally got it working [01:31:47] (Aka. not failing) [01:32:04] but by stripping the validation :/ [04:25:34] re the StructuredDiscussions extension [04:26:02] is there a maintenance script that can be run to transfer Flow-model pages to regular talk pages? [04:26:11] so no content is lost [04:27:50] if there's a better place to ask this Q let me know [05:48:41] keep getting this error today while trying to upload to commons [05:48:46] via cp5017 cp5017, Varnish XID 521178873 [05:48:46] Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Tue, 07 Feb 2023 05:47:27 GMT [08:10:12] I remember having a script to convert Flow threads back to wikitext was one of the requirements we discussed before enabling Flow, and convertToText.php exists, but I don't remember how widely it was tested. Probably not much: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107097 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96301 [18:02:25] Hi. I came to complain and see about solutions. When I edit there's a (new?) throbbing blue circle/icon in the upper right corner of the edit area related to previewing. The throbbing makes my browser response really slow, for reasons I can get into if you care. [18:02:57] hey all - wmf release engineering is running a developer satisfaction survey; we'd love your input: https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/484133 (x-posted to a handful of channels) [18:03:47] Is there anything I can do? (In general, I'd like to avoid animations.) Is there somewhere to complain? [18:09:45] karlpinc: probably most effective is to create a ticket in phabricator.wikimedia.org [18:09:52] you can use wiki user to login [18:14:50] mutante: Thanks. (FYI, I'm using X client/server over the network. Which worked swimmingly for years. And then about 10 years ago some sort of GPU optimiztions, maybe, got in the way and anything "dynamic" got progressivly slower and extremely network-intensive as the years went by.) [18:17:23] karlpinc: I see the blue animated icon you refer to.. but did not know about it. seems like it's called "realtime preview" [18:18:25] karlpinc: good news is when I then searched for that keyword in phabricator I got this entire workboard about it. so go here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/5506/ [18:18:54] you would want a new ticket on that workboard, that would be the way to talk to the people [18:18:57] mutante: Will do. [18:19:12] cool [18:20:49] My problems would not be limited to that specific user-interface element. Anything that "animates" would be a problem. (It probably takes me an extra 5 seconds to login to my bank because of the spinny-wheel "wait for it" loading-graphic.) [18:21:22] karlpinc: just out of interest, does the animated icon disappear (and remain disappear-ed) once clicked on (to show the realtime preview) - you can then click it again to hide the realtime preview, and it shouldn't be displayed again [18:21:25] It's an odd edge-case. Who knows if wikipedia/wikimedia really cares. [18:21:32] animations that cannot be disabled can also be considered an accessibility issue if for some reason you get pushback that your video setup is too esoteric to worry about in the general case. [18:22:02] TheresNoTime: I'll try.... hang on. [18:24:23] (full disclosure, I'm on the team who built realtime preview, we did build in `prefers-reduced-motion` support, though I'm not sure if the initial "call to action" prompt is included) [18:24:36] Just clicking on the "preview area" brings up a drop-down telling me ... something. Dismissing that makes the pulsing go away, and my video performance goes back to normal. (I'll try the real-time preview. That's probably kinda slow....) [18:26:46] Yeah. Real-time preview is slow. (I don't care. :-) [18:33:18] (Waiting for greylisting to receive my phabricator login approval.) [18:34:11] karlpinc, have you tried turning animations off? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-reduced-motion [18:40:19] Izno: I'm trying that now. I first tried turning animations off. Then I turned them back on and when I went to look at an edit page the pulsing blue ball had gone away. I'm thinking that once I clicked on it it went away and now I can't test the animations checkbox. (FWIW, I found it odd animations was controlled under gadgets instead of under appearance.) [18:41:01] yes, the dot is supposed to go away when clicked; I was more pointing to it as a general "you can maybe make all of them go away" [18:41:13] s/them/the animations [18:42:48] I don't know what other ones exist. [18:43:32] Everywhere on the web? :) [18:44:14] Izno: I turned off animations in wikipeida. :) I dunno how to turn them off in the browser. (I should try....) [18:44:45] I always figured it was js doing shiny ui stuff, and not browser configurable. [18:46:39] some are configurable, some aren't. depending on how it was programmed. more recent techniques tend to respect that setting by default [18:46:53] you might need to turn them off in your operating system rather than the browser [18:47:03] (as indicated on the MDN page) [18:48:18] Humm. Disabling animations in the wikipedia UI does not make the blue ball stop pulsing. The pulse seems to be login-related. Logging out and back in (or in my case starting a new sandboxed browser process and loggin in) shows me the blue ball even though animiations are off. I guess this is an item for the phabricator ticket. [18:48:38] (Not the logging out/in part. The pulsing regardless of setting part.) [18:52:08] Izno: Ah. Wasn't paying attention. (FWIW, I only use firefox sometimes.) [18:52:36] That MDN article has a few different ways to turn things off depending on OS [18:56:15] Izno: I'm often in xfce4. Although I install whatever and don't necessarily know when I'm running a gnome or kde app. FWIW. I'll have to look into poking things with a stick. Turning it off globally is a great idea. Thanks. [18:56:28] yw [21:01:36] * TheresNoTime lightly applies the code review stick — https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_review/patch_board#Patches has 5 patches which would love some attention [21:18:47] [[Tech]]; Spearhead Technology; /* Enterprise Application Development Services in Dallas, Texas, USA */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=24507171&oldid=24491698&rcid=26281474 [21:21:43] [[Tech]]; MarcoAurelio; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/Spearhead Technology|Spearhead Technology]] ([[User talk:Spearhead Technology|talk]]) to last version by 2.63.169.18; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=24507179&oldid=24507171&rcid=26281484 [23:26:46] "A couple of years ago I did an analysis of BigQuery queries, looking at customers spending more than $1000 / year. 90% of queries processed less than 100 MB of data." [23:27:16] From https://motherduck.com/blog/big-data-is-dead/ [23:27:31] Does this mean that Special:LinkSearch is more "big data" than BigQuery? ;) [23:32:25] heh