[09:24:37] Amir1: hey! quick question - if I wanted to get a list of all global users with in the global bot group, how would I do that? [09:32:20] I think I found it, but I only see 11 entries. Can that be correct? [09:33:46] oh right, I found the special page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers?username=&group=global-bot&limit=50 [09:33:49] so yea, just 11. [12:55:19] duesen: sorry I just woke up, yup, that sounds about right. We don't have that many global bots anymroe [16:03:06] Hello, I was directed here by #wikipedia-en-help [16:03:14] My account seems to be stuck in a login loop that I cant seem to break out of my account is alohawolf - I've been an active editor since 2005, however I cant seem to login, it redirects me to verify my account (I know my password is good because if I log in with an intentionally bad password, I get a bad password error), and its either sending that to an email I no longer have access to, or the [16:03:21] email never comes, is there a way around this or to fix it? [16:03:23] I've tried to reset my password (with both the accounts I have) but that email never shows up either - so I dont know if the email on the account is still good or not. [16:04:09] I can have a little look in a minute... [16:04:12] my account is Alohawolf [16:04:18] Reedy: thanks! [16:04:59] So your email address is marked as unauthenticated... [16:05:11] Which can happen for a few reasons, never authenticated, or too many bounces etc [16:07:00] the email account is likely wrong maybe even, I know its ancient [16:07:40] I would suggest trying to use https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:AccountRecovery [16:08:01] If you know what the old email was, that obviously helps in verification (but obviously isn't a guarantee either) [16:09:21] I can guess what it was, but I have no idea really tbh [16:13:41] Looks like you were probably logged in is about a year ago [16:14:26] Reedy: May, I think [16:16:50] Hmm, based on editing yeah [16:16:57] I was looking at the user_touched timestamp [17:37:34] Reedy: so I did try the account recovery link - it said it sent me an email, but none showed up [17:38:45] How long ago? [17:41:19] Aloha: ^^ [17:48:17] Aloha: To double-check, the email address you listed as "Reachable contact email" is the one that you're checking for an email from us, right? [19:52:57] RoanKattouw: yes [19:54:01] Reedy: I gave it about an hour and a half before saying anything [19:54:32] I presume you've checked your spam folder etc? [19:54:59] yes [19:55:54] Reedy: yeah, I've checked spam, I've checked my other account which is the account I believe I signed up with, nothing at all, either in all mail or.. lemme make sure I dont have a filter [19:58:09] nope, no filters [19:58:38] and both of my accounts are either google hosted or gmail.com domain ones [19:59:05] Aloha: RoanKattouw has made a patch to improve some logging... I'm going to deploy it, then if you wanted to try again... [19:59:27] Reedy: let me know when to try again [20:04:26] Reedy: that was my bad, I found it, I dont know why I didnt see it before, so I now have an email thread going on with trust and safety [20:04:49] Where was it hiding? [20:05:05] There might be stuff we can do to help (subject, headers etc) [20:05:50] having the sender name as Meta-Wiki is probably less than obvious [20:06:16] "Confirm your request to recover your account [20:06:46] is also.. I was mentally looking for either media-wiki, wikimedia or wikipedia to be in either the sender or subject [20:07:37] I wonder if on the confirmation page, we should state the sender and the subject to look out for? [20:09:45] This channel is publicly logged anyway... But mind if I quote/copy paste some of this conversation to a ticket about improving this? [20:10:30] I think just not hiding the domain so if it just showed "wiki@wikimedia.org" instead of sending a from name header along would work well [20:10:35] Reedy: of course you may [20:55:19] [[Tech]]; IKhitron; /* SVG default size */ new topic; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=29686634&oldid=29645741&rcid=37557120 [21:11:06] Reedy: one more thing - the "recover your account link" https://auth.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main+Page¢ralauthLoginToken= points at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AccountRecovery rather than auth.wikimedia.org [21:12:33] They are effectively the same... with some redirects in some cases [21:13:16] Where did you see that link etc? [21:20:11] Reedy: on the page it lands me on, to enter the verification code - the redirect is working today it looks like, it was not yesterday or the day before on Safari, lemme recheck on Safari [21:20:56] auth.wm.o has been around a while... [21:22:25] oh, I think I know whats going on, its got me signed into one of those ephmerial/temp accounts [21:23:20] Has that broken the workflow? Cause that's an annoying bug if so [21:24:37] yeah, that was is, as soon as I went and exited the session I can then access the recover account feature [21:24:52] Did it give you an error message? [21:27:06] Dammit I swore I had checked that we were not showing a permission error for temp accounts on Special:AccountRecovery, but we are. I'll submit a patch to fix that now [21:27:22] Saves me a ping :P [21:28:12] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/EmailAuth/+/1208001 [21:28:41] We should almost purposefully make CI fail once when someone uses isRegistered [21:28:49] Yeah it's rarely what you want [21:28:50] "Are you SURE that's the function you want?" [21:30:03] I got confused because of how many double negatives there are (you can an error if canExecute() return false, and that now returns !isNamed(), which is implemented as isRegistered() && !isTemp()... a lot of "not"s) [21:30:31] Yeah, before you spoke up I was looking at isNamed too and wondering [21:31:05] * Reedy waits for CI again [21:32:42] Reedy: $user->isRegisteredYesIMeanIsRegisteredNotIsNamedOrSomethingSimilar() [21:52:05] RoanKattouw: Reedy: I'm enjoying being the tester here ;-) I'm a product owner in my day job, its nice when the bugfix is someone elses problem lol [21:52:28] Nice when they're all relatively easy too :P [21:53:08] well, and I have a background in php, I've hosted my own MW instances in the past, etc [21:53:36] Reedy: well 'easy' I still hope I can get my 20 year old wikipedia account back, its probably my oldest online account lol [21:54:07] probably easier for you than for me to wrap my head around ;-)