[00:03:40] Hello!, Guys Do You Know What Is Pencilmation? [00:04:11] Please Answer Right Now! [00:10:41] There also seem to be important links missing in other sections, e.g. a link to the function catalogue. (re @u99of9: I guess you deliberately reduced the number of links in the FOTW section. But accidentally removed the link to the function itse...) [08:18:22] I guess we'll find out soon. I don't like this behaviour in English, so have made a configuration which allows English to assume decimal points instead of commas. The apply configuration implementation Z22000 is about three times as slow as the previous generic only, so I haven't yet disabled the generic. Do you want to try to write a hardcode? Just bear in mind that [08:18:22] there will be many languages using this convention. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/cf6c5052/file_68288.jpg [10:10:02] 3135 [10:10:06] 3125 [18:11:59] Oh no! That wasn't deliberate at all, that was an oversight on my side! I am going to add them right now at least on-wiki. Thanks for pointing it out! (re @u99of9: I guess you deliberately reduced the number of links in the FOTW section. But accidentally removed the link to the function itse...) [18:15:55] Thanks for doing most of the fixes already! [18:18:03] it's the first connected test (re @Feeglgeef: @vrandecic where do the examples on renderer boxes come from?) [20:46:59] That is interesting. It has a chance to backfire because many tests are edge cases that barely scrape through, so are not good examples for us to follow. Or they may sometimes not even be appropriate in our language. But now that we are aware we can try to curate it a bit. (re @vrandecic: it's the first connected test) [20:50:01] šŸ¤”Presumably we can disconnect all the tests, reconnect the exemplar, then reconnect the others? [21:03:58] Any time the exemplar gets a new translation it needs to be re-promoted. [21:06:54] Does it? I wouldnā€™t expect the functionā€™s list of implementations to change just because an implementation changes (without being disconnected) šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø (re @u99of9: Any time the exemplar gets a new translation it needs to be re-promoted.) [21:07:24] I mean testsā€¦ šŸ™„ (re @Al: Does it? I wouldnā€™t expect the functionā€™s list of implementations to change just because an implementation changes (without bein...) [21:48:35] It goes to the bottom of the list on the function page, although no edit is caused to the function page itself. So actually I suppose it depends what "first connected test" means. (re @Al: Does it? I wouldnā€™t expect the functionā€™s list of tests to change just because a test changes (without being disconnected) šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø) [21:49:09] Connected where? (re @vrandecic: it's the first connected test) [21:49:35] On the reader function. (re @Feeglgeef: Connected where?) [21:49:58] Indeedā€¦ I couldnā€™t trace it myself šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø [21:51:59] I get -178 as an example for Integer but don't see it in the tests of Z16705 (re @u99of9: On the reader function.) [21:52:11] As an ugly hardcode we could just permanently disconnect all tests apart from the exemplar. (re @Al: šŸ¤”Presumably we can disconnect all the tests, reconnect the exemplar, then reconnect the others?) [21:53:47] Ohhh... so it's from the display function!? Z16701 (re @Feeglgeef: I get -178 as an example for Integer but don't see it in the tests of Z16705) [21:54:46] That's really unideal. Perhaps it could be a key on a type that points to a multilingual text? (re @u99of9: Ohhh... so it's from the display function!? Z16701) [22:06:53] At least the display function will usually put it into a non-edge-case format. So even though it's counter-intuitive some of my previous concerns are alleviated. (re @u99of9: Ohhh... so it's from the display function!? Z16701) [22:17:04] Confirming that an edit to the description of Z21958 pushed it down to the bottom of the list, leaving "E.g. -inf" as our example :) : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/2ff91562/file_68318.jpg [22:25:45] Although it's using the first example from the display function, it's using the input not the output. The input is then sent through the display function for the user's system language. So users do see examples appropriate to their own language. This is quite clever. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/6a544536/file_68319.jpg [22:30:32] šŸ˜ But not quite clever enoughā€¦ Iā€™d call it a bug if a simple change to a test object causes the general behaviour of the system to change. (re @u99of9: Although it's using the first example from the display function, it's using the input not the output. The input is then sent thr...) [22:31:12] This method rolls out to all languages much more quickly than translation of a multilingual text key. Perhaps we should use this method on a persistent object (e.g. pi), then the persistent object could be linked as the exemplar key from the Type. (re @u99of9: Although it's using the first example from the display function, it's using the input not the output. The [22:31:12] input is then sent thr...) [22:31:37] Fine by me. (re @u99of9: This method rolls out to all languages much more quickly than translation of a multilingual text key. Perhaps we should use this...) [22:34:02] Yes, I think the choice of object is an issue, but once chosen, the method of rendering the text is nice. (re @Al: šŸ˜ But not quite clever enoughā€¦ Iā€™d call it a bug if a simple change to a test object causes the general behaviour of the system ...) [22:34:50] Is this why we need to attach a display function at the same time as we attach a read function?! (re @u99of9: Ohhh... so it's from the display function!? Z16701) [22:38:36] Perhaps Iā€™ll finally get round to answering Dennyā€™s question from 2021 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia/Object_creation_requirements#Discovery_of_Z2/Persistent_objects šŸ¤” (re @u99of9: Yes, I think the choice of object is an issue, but once chosen, the method of rendering the text is nice.) [22:41:44] Yikes! You are 5 years ahead of me! I'm such a newbie around here. ;) (re @Al: Perhaps Iā€™ll finally get round to answering Dennyā€™s question from 2021 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia/O...) [22:54:07] You can have the honours to file the Phab feature request! [22:58:04] Thanksā€¦ Iā€™ll link it to the bug report if thatā€™s filed first šŸ˜Ž (re @u99of9: You can have the honours to file the Phab feature request!) [23:00:44] Deal. (re @Al: Thanksā€¦ Iā€™ll link it to the bug report if thatā€™s filed first šŸ˜Ž) [23:11:44] T385237 (re @Al: Thanksā€¦ Iā€™ll link it to the bug report if thatā€™s filed first šŸ˜Ž)