[00:13:29] Actually thinking about it English indef noun phrase was implemented wrong, it was saying "an apple is red" when the other languages are saying "a red apple." It shouldn't be hard to fix the actual implementation but there are a bunch of tests that are wrong [00:16:29] I’ve expedited the type searches for lexemes. Hope that helps. (re @u99of9: Please can you list your new functions in [[Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Wikidata_operations#Wikidata%20property%20operations]]. It w...) [00:44:01] I noticed that the first English lexeme for “red” is the noun rather than the adjective. A more correct implementation might find the first lexeme with the correct lexical category, although it hardly matters for English. (re @Feeglgeef: Actually thinking about it English indef noun phrase was implemented wrong, it was saying "an apple is red" when the other langu...) [00:45:10] That will cause an issue, maybe we could create a version that takes a lexical category? (re @Al: I noticed that the first English lexeme for “red” is the noun rather than the adjective. A more correct implementation might fin...) [00:47:02] According to the description of Natural language (Z60) type page: [00:47:03] language naturally spoken by humans [00:47:04] Belarusian Taraškievica (Z1132) is not a spoken language, but an orthography variation. (like German with ß, but more complicated) [00:47:05] Knowing that we have two options: [00:47:07] - Change the description for a Natural language and expect in to grow. [00:47:08] - Change the type of Z1132 to something like "Natural Language Written Variation" [00:48:20] That's already what we are doing, the description is wrong (re @nyuhn: According to the description of Natural language (Z60) type page: [00:48:20] language naturally spoken by humans [00:48:22] Belarusian Taraškievica (Z...) [00:50:30] Should Z22710 be added to Z22664? If so, under which Z60s? [00:51:26] @nyuhn? [01:00:33] I can remember just 3 off the top of my head and added it to Z21733. [01:00:34] Polish, Czech, Serbian, etc. should have separate version with "is" in the middle. (re @Feeglgeef: Should Z22710 be added to Z22664? If so, under which Z60s?) [01:05:00] it isn't "wrong". It's just 2 different implementations. Z22710 (https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z22710) matches the current English impl (re @Feeglgeef: Actually thinking about it English indef noun phrase was implemented wrong, it was saying "an apple is red" when the other langu...) [01:21:50] Probably… but handling more than one possible lexeme (like the four English “dog” nouns) will remain problematic 🤔 (re @Feeglgeef: That will cause an issue, maybe we could create a version that takes a lexical category?) [01:22:47] It shouldn't, please fix (re @nyuhn: it isn't "wrong". It's just 2 different implementations. Z22710 matches the current English impl) [01:23:41] Imagine "I ate a green apple" vs "I ate an apple is green" [01:35:59] By changing the word order, the function should be suitable for at least all Slavic languages now. All of them don't have indef article and have 3 genders. (re @Feeglgeef: It shouldn't, please fix) [01:36:28] Is that m/f/n? (re @nyuhn: By changing the word order, the function should be suitable for at least all Slavic languages now. All of them don't have indef ...) [01:38:18] And the function supports any number of gender (re @Feeglgeef: Is that m/f/n?) [01:45:22] You don't have permission to edit Implementation that is connected to a Function. (re @Feeglgeef: It shouldn't, please fix) [01:45:50] Will disconnect (re @nyuhn: You don't have permission to edit Implementation that is connected to a Function.) [09:06:11] wouldn't it be more general if these kinds of functions took a list of adjectives instead of a single one? (re @wikilinksbot: Z22710 – Grammatical gender based noun phrase (short)) [09:10:22] …or a list of modifiers to include, for example, “very tall” or “dark red”… 😏 (re @u99of9: wouldn't it be more general if these kinds of functions took a list of adjectives instead of a single one?) [12:58:13] 574 [12:58:32] 6276 [12:59:53] Do you think we should ask for a channel at wikimedia discord? [13:05:25] Discord [13:13:37] I am happy staying here. [13:21:05] No (re @bunnypranav: Do you think we should ask for a channel at wikimedia discord?) [13:21:36] It can be bridged to the discord, provided we are willing to run a bot [13:23:28] I heard that Discord is where the action is these days (gosh, I barely have adapted to Telegram) [13:25:09] AFAICT we're way too small for a channel (re @bunnypranav: Do you think we should ask for a channel at wikimedia discord?) [13:26:40] what's the technical difference between hosting a telegram channnel (ig the only telegram for wikimedia), and a seperate discord channel (re @Feeglgeef: AFAICT we're way too small for a channel) [13:28:17] m:Telegram (re @bunnypranav: what's the technical difference between hosting a telegram channnel (ig the only telegram for wikimedia), and a seperate discord...) [13:28:43] [[m:Telegram]] [13:29:47] nevermind, just forget that silly assumption [13:30:01] Bridging is necessarily worse (re @bunnypranav: It can be bridged to the discord, provided we are willing to run a bot) [13:30:34] how? I've tried it, hence the doubt [13:30:52] I don’t think I care, but if we’re going to consider it, maybe it’s a question for [[Wikifunctions:Project chat]]? [13:31:35] Of course discord is more accessible than Telegram but basically everyone has a phone number these days [13:31:46] just thought to ask here, in case there is no support _at all_ for it. (re @Al: I don’t think I care, but if we’re going to consider it, maybe it’s a question for [[Wikifunctions:Project chat]]?) [13:32:50] Discord keep related stuff together, like channels in discord can be more related than groups in telegram (re @Feeglgeef: Of course discord is more accessible than Telegram but basically everyone has a phone number these days) [13:34:48] That’s fine… we just don’t want to get into all the ins and outs here, I feel. (re @bunnypranav: just thought to ask here, in case there is no support at all for it.) [13:35:43] Generally you lose some features compared to if the user is in the same chat (re @bunnypranav: how? I've never tried it, hence the doubt) [13:40:44] worth it if it can help/include more users? [13:41:02] Slightly more (re @bunnypranav: worth it if it can help/include more users?) [13:41:26] sorry, didn't get that (re @Feeglgeef: Slightly more) [13:42:02] as in, bridging to discord good or bad? (according to you) [13:42:08] "[it can help/include] Slightly more [users]" (re @bunnypranav: sorry, didn't get that) [13:42:26] ah! (re @mahir256: "[it can help/include] Slightly more [users]") [13:42:34] Depends on how many new users (re @bunnypranav: as in, bridging to discord good or bad? (according to you)) [13:42:50] And how good the bridge bot is [13:43:05] ig we cant tell anything until we do a pilot (re @Feeglgeef: Depends on how many new users) [13:43:32] Fair, we can give it a go [13:44:32] You should ask on the project chat before requesting a channel [13:45:59] I was just writing out a post (re @Feeglgeef: You should ask on the project chat before requesting a channel) [13:46:12] But the pilot does not have to be in this group or the official Wikimedia channel. It can be a totally separate experiment. (re @bunnypranav: ig we cant tell anything until we do a pilot) [13:47:00] If we want to figure out the activity level it will need to be (re @Jan_ainali: But the pilot does not have to be in this group or the discord Wikimedia channel. It can be a totally separate experiment.) [13:47:20] Sure, but not if we just want to figure out the feature set. (re @Feeglgeef: If we want to figure out the activity level it will need to be) [13:47:53] If not a channel in wikimedia discord, then where can we do it in discord? (re @Jan_ainali: But the pilot does not have to be in this group or the discord Wikimedia channel. It can be a totally separate experiment.) [13:48:18] For what it's worth, I am principally against bridging to any proprietary platform. [13:50:42] I see, but Wikimedians do use discord a lot. The activity levels (whole server) is pretty notable right? (re @Jan_ainali: For what it's worth, I am principally against bridging to any proprietary platform.) [13:51:46] I don't know the stats, but either way, that doesn't mean we should encourage such behavior. (re @bunnypranav: I see, but Wikimedians do use discord a lot. The activity levels (whole server) is pretty notable right?) [13:52:32] lets see what people think over at [[Wikifunctions:Project_chat#Should_we_have_a_discord_channel]] [14:47:00] Telegram is also not self-hosted, so you are oppose bridging to it too? (re @Jan_ainali: For what it's worth, I am principally against bridging to any proprietary platform.) [14:47:49] Bridging Telegram to Telegram? (re @nyuhn: Telegram is also not self-hosted, so you are oppose bridging to it too?) [14:48:07] I understood the comment as 'bridging Telegram to any proprietary platform', which I guess would mean a Matrix or IRC bridge would be okay? (re @nyuhn: Telegram is also not self-hosted, so you are oppose bridging to it too?) [14:49:26] to IRC (re @Jan_ainali: Bridging Telegram to Telegram?) [15:42:32] I have tried to fix up Z86 per the Type proposal. You can try to give it a spin. Two interesting functions so far are Z22717 and Z22693. I am working on fixing the other functions that use the type. [15:42:56] So if you want to go and try it out, give it a whirl, and if it is good, I plan to remove the testing tag on Monday [17:10:24] @Jan_ainali: Reading "I am principally against bridging to any proprietary platform." on the FOSS software side of a Telegram<->IRC bridge is kind of humorous. :) [17:19:54] how soon can we get a function for this cipher? https://xkcd.com/3054/ [17:25:02] Z22725 [17:25:10] (just posting here for collaborating) [17:25:26] I really hope that all of these are Unicoe! [17:25:31] *d [17:28:03] I'm think so [17:28:04] And the answer will probably soon be on https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/3054:_Scream_Cipher ;) (re @vrandecic: I really hope that all of these are Unicoe!) [17:28:50] knowing xkcd, 90% actually exist and the other 10% are made up and some deeper joke [17:32:17] I'm not sure about the cross above (corresponding to "x") [17:32:17] the other ones seems legit (re @vrandecic: knowing xkcd, 90% actually exist and the other 10% are made up and some deeper joke) [17:33:24] there is A͓ tho (re @Nicolas: I'm not sure about the cross above (corresponding to "x") [17:33:25] the other ones seems legit) [17:33:59] so I have a test for what the person on the right says Z22726 [17:34:00] nevermind, there is also Aͯ [17:35:13] If folks can write up the character table, I'm working on a Python implementation [17:45:26] Great minds! I'm starting one here: https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Talk:Z22725 (re @vrandecic: If folks can write up the character table, I'm working on a Python implementation) [17:49:30] I copied the characters you already have, so that's how far it works [17:51:16] Someone has a more complete translation on explainxkcd: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/3054:_Scream_Cipher [17:55:46] updated, but I couldn't copy and paste the D [17:58:46] here is the reverse function: Z22728 [17:59:21] I finished almost at the same time [17:59:22] with a few different choices... (re @vrandecic: Someone has a more complete translation on explainxkcd: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/3054:_Scream_Cipher) [17:59:45] feel free to update here: [17:59:46] https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z22727 [17:59:51] particularly the D [18:01:54] I can copy it [18:01:55] but is it A̱ or A̲ or A̲ Oo (re @vrandecic: particularly the D) [18:02:17] as long as it is consisten in both transformers it doesn't matter [18:03:19] I'm trying to see if there is a logic behind the choice (I guess A̧ is for C because of the French ç and Å is pronounced O in some nordic languages) [18:04:23] I went for the first one for now (re @vrandecic: as long as it is consisten in both transformers it doesn't matter) [18:05:45] (what this reminded me of: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/conlang ) (re @mahir256: how soon can we get a function for this cipher? https://xkcd.com/3054/) [18:06:41] I think we have the two functions now [18:06:54] Z22725 and Z22730 [18:07:21] Z22725 and Z22728 [18:10:57] https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:3054:_Scream_Cipher&diff=prev&oldid=366220 [18:10:58] is that you? :P (re @vrandecic: I think we have the two functions now) [18:11:13] yeah, shall I remove it? [18:12:04] no, on the contrary, it's a good publicity (re @vrandecic: yeah, shall I remove it?) [18:12:15] I noticed it as we had a edit conflict :P [18:12:24] 😄 [18:15:27] Also https://wikis.world/@wikifunctions/114043238070674178 [18:16:51] Thanks @mahir256 for the inspiration! [18:17:16] to answer that, less than an hour 🙂 (re @mahir256: how soon can we get a function for this cipher? https://xkcd.com/3054/) [18:18:04] yes, thanks (and I'll definitely mention it in a future presentation about WF :D ) (re @vrandecic: Thanks @mahir256 for the inspiration!) 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