[18:29:31] 0682 [18:29:43] Hi [18:42:43] I have attempted to create my first article by emulating what I saw on existing articles. [18:42:44] It looks like a sentence in english it can't be rendered in German. [18:42:46] Any idea why? [18:42:47] How would you that? [18:42:49] https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q7093205 [18:42:50] What is your workflow? [18:49:27] That's because nobody on Wikidata has added one or more of the needed lexemes (re @Shi: I have attempted to create my first article by emulating what I saw on existing articles. [18:49:28] It looks like a sentence in english ...) [18:49:44] (Star Trek episode and One Small Step) [18:50:07] In Swedish I get "No matching lexeme for item in language". But surely there can't be a lexeme in English for those either, right? (re @Shi: I have attempted to create my first article by emulating what I saw on existing articles. [18:50:07] It looks like a sentence in english ...) [18:50:31] English doesn't require conjugation (re @Jan_ainali: In Swedish I get "No matching lexeme for item in language". But surely there can't be a lexeme in English for those either, righ...) [18:50:43] Therefore it doesn't require lexemes [18:50:56] Ah! [18:51:30] Good, then we won't get swamped by Star Trek episodes on svwiki :) [18:52:29] Which kind of brings up the question. Are all Wikidata items notable for an Abstract Wikipedia article? [18:52:46] Well, for nouns and adjectives, that is. Verbs need valid lexemes, but the vast majority of words are nouns and adjectives so it's much less of an issue (re @Feeglgeef: English doesn't require conjugation) [18:52:50] Then the function is probably not the best fitting one. I mean 'one small step' is a title. Titles aren't conjugated i any language are they? [18:54:02] I think we need to come to a consensus on that. That seems like the most natural approach. I'd exempt articles for site-linking purposes only, though. (re @Jan_ainali: Which kind of brings up the question. Are all Wikidata items notable for an Abstract Wikipedia article?) [18:54:05] I assume there would have to be a function like _[title] is an episode of [show title]_ [18:54:24] the only word to be conjugated would be 'episode' [18:55:25] So, for example, Wikidata items for Wikimedia project pages cannot have articles created, unless, if, for some incredibly weird reason, an RS covers the topic, in which case we may write about it Encyclopedically. (re @Feeglgeef: I think we need to come to a consensus on that. That seems like the most natural approach. I'd exempt articles for site-linking ...) [18:58:47] _[localized title] (original [original language]: [original title] is an episode of [show title]_ [19:00:29] Another approach could be to say that they need another Wikipedia sitelink to have Abstract notability. That could save us a from a lot of odd articles. (re @Feeglgeef: I think we need to come to a consensus on that. That seems like the most natural approach. I'd exempt articles for site-linking ...) [19:03:07] This is also something to consider. I've put my thoughts down on [[abstract:Project:Notability]] (re @Jan_ainali: Another approach could be to say that they need another Wikipedia sitelink to have Abstract notability. That could save us a fro...) [19:04:04] Thanks! I'll add something to the talk page. (re @Feeglgeef: This is also something to consider. I've put my thoughts down on [[abstract:Project:Notability]]) [19:48:14] I had the change the class from 'roman amphitheatee' to only 'amphitheatre' in order to make it work for languages that don't have a lexeme for the roman variety and need to conjugate the word. Is this a valid edit? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/649430ff/file_80405.jpg [19:51:20] That would be an unusual definition of "vast". There are more nouns and adjectives, but there are quite a lot of verbs. For example, in current English lexemes: https://w.wiki/NbbA (re @Feeglgeef: Well, for nouns and adjectives, that is. Verbs need valid lexemes, but the vast majority of words are nouns and adjectives so it...) [19:53:17] @vrandecic , a feature that _conveniently_ shows what are the missing lexemes for a given article in a given language would be my absolute #1 request. (What "conveniently" means can be determined by user testing and product design iteration.) (re @Shi: I have attempted to create my first article by emulating what I saw on existing articles. [19:53:17] It looks like a sentence in english ...) [19:53:30] Did you edit the Wikidata item or the Abstract article? (re @Shi: I had the change the class from 'roman amphitheatre' to only 'amphitheatre' in order to make it work for languages that don't ha...) [19:53:49] Abstract article (re @Jan_ainali: Did you edit the Wikidata item or the Abstract article?) [19:54:24] In my opinion, that's a good edit then. (re @Shi: Abstract article) [19:56:18] But i think at least in german and at least this subject should be used with a definite article: Das Kolosseum ist ein… [19:56:19] Can i fix this? [19:56:57] English too [19:58:45] The *Colosseum* is a… [20:06:18] This would be fixed by displaying the error details, there's a ticket for it somewhere (re @amire80: @vrandecic , a feature that conveniently shows what are the missing lexemes for a given article in a given language would be my ...) [20:09:46] T420747 [20:27:00] I just noticed the function is called 'State location using entity and class (https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z26570)' [20:27:01] But there is also a small list of states that should be used with a definite article