[05:37:13] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/9c38741c/file_82252.jpg [05:37:14] I've swapped the suggested functions per the discussion on the talk page at https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/7486d44c/file_82253.jpg [05:38:23] @vrandecic @Sannita please let me know if this will hinder your presentation, I'm happy to revert for a while if you are relying on the old list. (re @u99of9: ) [05:40:39] (If you're not relying on it, I'm confident that the new list is better for newcomers. Too many of them have been misled by the previous list.) [07:32:18] I think it's better, but adding more functions to the list won't be sustainable for long. I feel like some of these could go into a more updated "Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition" [07:35:53] There is a limit of 10. Feel free to update any of the guides. (Make sure you put the species intro in if it's not already!) Long term we need better than both. (re @M: I think it's better, but adding more functions to the list won't be sustainable for long. I feel like some of these could go int...) [08:51:28] Is there anyone willing to support us in the EventYay chat stream with questions during our session starting in ten minutes? [08:58:39] Sorry, I'm busy. (re @vrandecic: Is there anyone willing to support us in the EventYay chat stream with questions during our session starting in ten minutes?) [08:59:22] no trouble [09:00:12] thanks for all your work before hand! [09:03:14] I think I only signed up for in-person participation so I probably don’t have access to the chat 😅 [09:03:44] I didn't know that was an option 😄 [09:03:57] Anyone that can login to the event on Eventyay can see the chat. (re @lucaswerkmeister: I think I only signed up for in-person participation so I probably don’t have access to the chat 😅) [09:10:01] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/7550b257/file_82277.jpg [09:13:10] ok, got it, thanks (took me a while to log into the right account that had the ticket) [09:17:24] https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/wm/wikimania2026/video/rooms/170 if you want to join virtually [09:17:56] (re @Sannita: https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/wm/wikimania2026/video/rooms/170 if you want to join virtually) [09:33:53] (I’m also in the room if someone wants to come over)I tried to add a Q90-like image to Q64, but get the image from Wikidata; I can’t figure out what the “Argument type mismatch” means (at what level?) or what to do about it : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/23e6c2aa/file_82278.jpg [09:43:17] also, how do I “retry” after getting this error? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/19828fdb/file_82279.jpg [09:43:30] (it worked in German, so I still saved the edit) [09:52:51] 7461 [09:53:24] also reproducible on wikifunctions; Denny came over and couldn’t make sense of it and wants to look at it later ^^ result link (https [09:53:24] //www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z38053?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z38053%22%2C%22Z38053K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z36043%22%2C%22Z36043K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6821%22%2C%22Z682 [09:53:25] 1K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%7D%7D%2C%22Z38053K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z38053K3%22%3A%22Z1002%22%7D) (re @lucaswerkmeister: (I’m also in the room if someone wants to come over) [09:53:27] I tried to add a Q90-like image to Q64, but get the image from Wikidata; I ...) [09:53:50] (the slightly more detailed error is an argument type mismatch between Z310 and Z6) [09:57:13] it works when calling “get image for Wikidata item” directly (https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z36043?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z36043%22%2C%22Z36043K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6821%22%2C%22Z6821K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%7D%7D) (once you get past the orchestrator rate [09:57:13] limits) [09:59:28] Beginner here too. I have a general source/provenance related question or remark, which I posted here for a specific function https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Talk:Z36151?uselang=en but I think it applies more broadly: if a Wikidata item itself contains descriptive statements (architect and date of a building, in the example that I worked on), why choose to also [09:59:28] express the sam [09:59:28] e "statements" on Abstract Wikipedia and not pull these from the Wikidata item? Wouldn't it be preferrable if the Wikidata item were the "ground truth" for such situations (also encouraging improvement centrally on Wikidata)? Hope my comment makes sense [10:02:29] Often it does make sense to retrieve it like you describe. I consider the way to do it manually to be an editorial fallback if the values on Wikidata would make it weird even though it is technically correct. (re @trnstlntk: Beginner here too. I have a general source/provenance related question or remark, which I posted here for a specific function ht...) [10:03:27] also… does “undo” not work? I edit conflicted with myself and tried to undo it, but the undo link (https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q64?action=edit&uselang=en&undoafter=13008&undo=13072) just seems to show the regular edit interface [10:07:41] For example, I don't think we should retrieve that Q506250 is a Q127448, but rather to build the sentence that it is a Q15284 of Q34 because that makes use of our lexemes in a better way. (re @Jan_ainali: Often it does make sense to retrieve it like you describe. I consider the way to do it manually to be an editorial fallback if t...) [10:20:40] also I created a test for something I noticed in an article Jens Ohlig was editing: Z38214 [10:21:03] (I think that one is a bug in the function / implementation rather than in Wikifunctions ^^) [10:27:47] (probably something for 99of9 to look into, idk if they’re in herer [10:28:10] I'm here now, sort of [10:28:46] ah ok ^^ [10:29:22] Thanks. Yes I'm aware this is a danger. (re @wikilinksbot: Z38214 – Bouillion Chartier is the oldest bouillon in Paris) [10:29:57] Good to have a specific real example [10:33:33] I was watching a dance performance, and my phone was vibrating almost as often as the beats. [10:51:31] 4451 [12:00:44] Welcome Jorge [12:04:59] Unfortunately that is not working enough. To generate an image on AW the human can type in a filename, but the system converts it to an M-ID before it gets saved. As far as I'm aware a function can't input a filename. That's probably not a great description, but essentially there is a fundamental incompatibility between how WD stores image links and what AW needs. (re [12:04:59] @lucaswerkm [12:05:00] eister: it works when calling “get image for Wikidata item” directly (once you get past the orchestrator rate limits)) [13:49:16] Thank you! Today I participated in the Wikimania workshop about Abstract Wikipedia and I created my first articles 😀 (re @u99of9: Welcome Jorge) [20:32:35] I'm curious - is there such a way to output as a string all of the languages a given function supports? So for example, with an input of Z37975, it would show Swedish and English, and for Z20896, it would show the ~10 languages. I want this to improve documentation on AW. [21:52:09] Not yet. You could make one. It might time out. (re @M: I'm curious - is there such a way to output as a string all of the languages a given function supports? So for example, with an ...)