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[01:02:14] !brain [01:02:15] http://helpmebot.org.uk/wiki/Special:Brain [01:08:43] !link [[wikitech:User:Technical_13]] [01:08:43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wikitech:User:Technical_13 [01:08:57] !link [[tech:User:Technical_13]] [01:08:57] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tech:User:Technical_13 [01:45:44] Change on 12en_wikipedia a page User:Technical 13/Logs/CSD was Technical 13, changed by https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=568442794 link /* August 2013 */ +1 since afch doesn't add them... edit summary: $6 [16:48:09] Change on 12en_wikipedia a page User:Technical 13/SandBox/New face of AfC RfC proposal draft was Technical 13, changed by https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=en_wikipedia link Starting to put together draft. edit summary: $6 [16:53:11] Change on 12en_wikipedia a page User:Technical 13/SandBox was Technical 13, changed by https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=568528885 link new project. edit summary: $6 [16:59:41] Value [[$encoded_wiki_username]] $action [[$encoded_wiki_page]] ($flags $summary ) ▶ $fullurl was stored into recent-changes-template to config [17:29:04] [[Technical_13]] modified [[User:Technical_13/SandBox/New_face_of_AfC_RfC_proposal_draft]] ( Reformatted as a con/pro table. ) ▶ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=568533627 [17:31:38] [[Technical_13]] modified [[User:Technical_13/SandBox/New_face_of_AfC_RfC_proposal_draft]] ( /* Should WP:RA be merged into a new and revised WP:AfC */ ) ▶ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=568534008 [20:03:29] !geolocate 10.33.16.26 [20:03:31] Location: Latitude: 0N, Longitude: 0E (Estimated location: Reserved) [20:11:00] [[MiszaBot_III]] modified [[User_talk:Technical_13/2013/3]] (minor edit, bot edit Robot: Archiving 2 threads from [[User talk:Technical 13]]. ) ▶ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=568553301 [20:11:04] [[MiszaBot_III]] modified [[User_talk:Technical_13]] (minor edit, bot edit Robot: Archiving 2 threads (older than 31d) to [[User talk:Technical 13/2013/3]]. ) ▶ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=568553309 [22:50:50] i don't understand [22:50:50] Hi barry_ [22:50:56] hi [22:51:06] i am a real estate developer [22:51:12] i am not in the guitar business [22:51:17] i play guitar [22:51:39] i found a thread and traced it back and fould something really significant [22:51:44] So yeah... the only way to get an article about anything on Wikipedia is to have independent reliable sources. [22:51:51] i did it over Christmas a few years back [22:52:01] what does that mean [22:52:11] If you have sources for the guitars, write an article about the guitars. [22:52:13] should u contact my sources [22:52:23] i own 4 [22:52:26] !golden >barry_ [22:52:26] barry_: Articles require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. http://enwp.org/WP:42 [22:52:28] i know owners of 50 [22:52:51] i know 4 guys who worked for him [22:52:53] That doesn't help you. [22:53:04] including the owner of mega company dimarzio pickups [22:53:16] so what does [22:53:36] i have gotten to the point that i realized that wiki really doesnt care [22:53:42] thats why i quit before [22:53:46] nothing to gain for me [22:53:48] Are there an article about the guitars in Rolling Stone magazine or something? [22:53:58] guitar player magazine [22:54:04] vintage guitar magazine [22:54:06] Good start. [22:54:07] both cited [22:54:20] Are those articles about him or the guitars? [22:54:35] rick derringer holding a guitar on the vcover of one with additional photos inside [22:54:39] him [22:54:58] in vintage guitar an=bout ralph nivak who worked for him [22:54:59] Okay, give me a link to the source. [22:55:09] he builds the fanned fret guitars [22:55:23] lobueguitars.com [22:56:05] Then vintage guitar isn't helpful. It's not about him directly by someone not directly associated. [22:56:21] That is a link to the article about him? [22:57:35] http://www.vintageguitar.com/1852/ralph-novak-2/ [22:57:54] Here's one where vg interviews ralph and he talks about his time at Lobue [22:58:12] i don['t have the research at my fingertips [22:58:20] ui did this 8 years ago i think [22:59:43] barry_: do you want to write an article about ralph? [22:59:55] No [23:00:07] Ralph has all the noteriety that he wants [23:00:23] he called me and personally thanked me for doing this work [23:00:24] Then vintage guitar is completely unusable for your article. [23:00:50] so really charles goes totally unnoticed for his contributions (by wiki) [23:01:22] That is possible if there are no articles ABOUT him. ;) [23:02:00] What you dont understand is that the custom guitar market was not a big thing until the late 90's [23:02:18] Charles was building custom guitars for HUGE names in the 60's [23:02:26] I encourage you to look for such articles. You will need 3-5 to get an article that would survive the deletion process. [23:02:29] and early 70's [23:02:38] will never happen [23:03:01] there are only articles about the stars and a note that he made them [23:03:06] Then there should be articles about the guitars. [23:03:07] album cover notes and etc [23:03:29] The instruments were not a bu=ig thing then [23:03:43] guitars were throw aways until the early 80's [23:04:05] you could buy a 57 les paul for 300 bucks in 1974 [23:04:11] they are 350,000 now [23:04:12] Same thing would apply.. 3-5 editorially reviewed articles about the guitars would be needed. [23:04:16] times have changed [23:04:55] any article that i would find would only be about the mega star and the fact that he is playing and holdng a lobue guitar [23:05:10] the guitar was only a guitar to the fan [23:05:38] I've seen articles about how certain types of guitars have revolutionized the industry at the time... [23:05:55] rick derringer's explorer cover is one of the most recognized covers in guitar player history [23:06:10] If you claim his guitars did this as well, there may be articles. [23:06:20] but only a few know it is the lobue...and not a gibby [23:06:29] there aren't [23:06:30] If I was at a computer, I'd do a search for you. [23:06:39] believe me... i am very thorough [23:07:11] Then, I'm afraid it won't be acceptable on the English Wikipedia. [23:07:17] i gathered every snippet available even talking with his sister who was very small when he died [23:07:21] ok [23:07:27] sorry for wasting your time [23:07:30] You may want to try other venues. [23:07:33] feel free to delete the research [23:07:46] he has a website and a facebook page [23:07:55] that will have to do for his recognition [23:08:01] I'm glad I could help, and am sorry not more can be done. [23:08:07] me too [23:08:16] Us there a guitar wikia? [23:08:34] theer is a guitar encyclopedia in europe [23:08:48] Maybe there? [23:08:48] they contacted me to get permission to include info on the lobue [23:09:11] it is so large and they use data from the lobue site [23:09:28] i was trying to make it simple for someone tro get what they want [23:09:39] Also, some of the other language Wikipedia's have different requirements. Maybe even simple.wikipedia ? [23:09:47] i am discouraged, but it isn't the end of the world [23:09:50] i did my best [23:10:05] That is the best anyone can hope to do. [23:10:16] ok thanks [23:11:29] See Charmlet... Discouraged but understanding now. [23:11:32] :) [23:11:53] uh, no. [23:11:56] discouraged and gave up [23:12:24] Gave up is fine. [23:13:31] And for the record, brand name guitars could have an article if there was adequate citable material. [23:15:14] Technical_13: one example of a guitar with it's own articles? [23:19:10] Lets see what we can find... [23:19:22] !link Gibson (guitars) [23:19:23] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson_%28guitars%29 [23:20:13] !link Gibson Guitars [23:20:13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson_Guitars [23:20:22] ^^^ there's one.. [23:20:41] Yes, you found a company article [23:20:51] I know little about music, so can only go with most obvious. [23:20:59] And an article about (if you click a link) a product line [23:21:05] Not about an individual guitar [23:21:17] Yep... guitar manufacturer. [23:22:35] I'm not following... I said he could write about the guitars... plural... as in custom guitars by so and so. Not 1 guitar. [23:23:04] I don't know where you got the impression of a guitar. [23:34:34] 6:03:05 PM <+Technical_13> Then there should be articles about the guitars. [23:34:37] articles - guitars [23:34:45] implies (at least to me) that there should be article - guitar. [23:34:48] and more than one [23:34:51] so articles - guitars [23:35:16] Plural.. multiple articles about multiple guitars... [23:37:23] which implies one guitar per article. [23:38:50] <{{Guy}}> I don't think it implies that at all. The context was guitars by "Charles"...