[10:39:25] petan, is there already a deadline for the new issue tracker? [10:40:16] It should be made up to the 4th March. [11:55:39] Hello! [11:55:47] hello [12:17:37] np [12:19:13] hi petan|wk [12:23:09] petan|wk: To who did you say "np"? [12:34:35] petan|wk: see http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/Huggle-dev-pad [12:35:42] you [12:35:53] < mmovchin1> It should be made up to the 4th March. [12:36:04] !devpad [12:39:52] ok, thank you petan|wk, do you know when exactly it will be made? It would be ideal if I could move all the issues from gcode to bugzilla today or tomorrow [12:40:59] ok [12:42:25] Who is the contact person? [12:42:59] petan|wk: the Huggle web application concept is ready... [12:45:51] ok [12:45:58] mmovchin: hexmode [12:46:14] petan|wk: I have an idea: the release name of Huggle 3 is "Huggle 3 computer application" and "Huggle 3 web application" and "Huggle 3 CA" and "Huggle 3 WA" [12:46:39] hm... I don't think it's really needed to separate it [12:46:48] I would rather have own versioning for webapp [12:47:03] so that it would be like WebHuggle 1.0 etc [12:47:14] hmm... [12:47:15] Has hexmode an irc account? [12:47:19] or Huggle WA [12:47:24] Or is he in any channel? [12:47:27] mmovchin: yes [12:47:34] mmovchin: #wikimedia-dev [12:47:37] thank you [12:47:45] I doubt he's awake now [12:48:18] I think the two release names are better for supporting. [12:48:23] IWorld: do you want to set up a repository for web version now? [12:48:35] on Wikimedia SVN? [12:48:39] no [12:48:41] huggle svn [12:48:42] :-( [12:49:09] IWorld don't likes google [12:49:13] I don't know why [12:49:18] I don't like wikimedia svn [12:49:22] I like Google. [12:49:25] i already told him why we're not on the wikimedia svn [12:50:19] :-( [12:51:31] I like Google very much, but Huggle=Wikimedia/pedia and not Huggle=Google. [12:51:58] still it's better than wikimedia svn [12:52:12] mh [12:52:27] IWorld: I created a repo now [12:52:32] :-( [12:52:34] you have svn access or not? [12:52:38] not [12:52:39] ok [12:52:47] pm me your email and I give it to you [12:52:57] ok [12:53:02] [huggle project updates - Google Code] r820 (created a base for web) committed by benapetr@gmail.com - http://code.google.com/p/huggle/source/detail?r=820 [12:55:10] register an account on google [12:55:33] :-( [12:57:05] IWorld, you really need a google account for getting svn access [12:57:59] petan, I tagged 2.1.19 yesterday [12:58:04] because you forgot it [12:58:15] ok [12:58:21] great [12:59:13] and I made a new central base for futher hugglecons (http://code.google.com/p/huggle/source/detail?r=818) [13:13:14] Can we create an subversion for Huggle? [13:14:47] *a [13:20:51] ? [13:21:12] A subversion server. [13:22:42] we have [13:22:52] it's hosted by google [13:24:54] mh [13:25:31] And on the Toolserver? [13:27:43] there is nothing huggle related on TS [13:27:51] IWorld, why should we? [13:28:09] The google subversion is perfect. [13:29:00] We will just create a bugzilla project because it has more possibilitys than the google's one and we need it because of the new concept. [13:29:36] Then you needn't "Huggle 3 wa". [13:30:10] We can develop the webclient on the Google SVN [13:30:27] ... [13:30:27] true [13:30:40] I'm discussing with you already about some weeks about this [13:31:00] When you don't wanna make an account on google: i cannot change your mind [13:31:34] but this is the requirement to get svn commit access [13:32:01] I would be really happy if we could start developing a webclient with your help. I think other would be, too. [13:32:40] But I'm sure we won't move to any other svn, also not to wikimedia or toolserver because you just don't want to create a google account [13:33:01] As everything is working fine I cannot see any reason to change something. [13:34:11] And I think I'm not the only one with this oppinion. [13:35:30] I would like to migrate to wikimedia repository but not to current version [13:35:38] it suck [13:37:22] ditto [14:03:58] hello :) [14:04:47] hello [14:04:58] I'm just setting up the bz project [14:36:49] mmovchin: put me as default cc [14:37:30] I already did [14:37:48] ok [14:38:23] currently I'm setting up the permissions [14:38:46] can you give me admin rights there [14:38:50] So everyone can make new bugs, beta testers can change the status and devs can change everything [14:39:20] Yes, I will do after I finished seeting everything up [14:39:25] I will finish this evening [14:39:44] maybe I could finish it faster ;) [14:39:54] ok [14:39:55] sec [14:40:13] what's your mail in bz? [14:40:50] benapetr@gmail.com [14:41:45] wikibugs must be taken away [14:41:59] immediately or someone from #mediawiki eat us [14:42:10] You're admin now [14:42:32] wikibugs? [14:43:04] * mmovchin is away for 10-15 min [14:55:37] testers need some rights huh? [14:55:58] beta testers yes [14:56:19] They need to verify fixs or patches [14:56:23] See my new concept [14:57:04] My idea is do assign every bug or feature or whatever which was fixed to a beta tester. Or having a "pool" on the issue tracker where beta testers could assign some bugs to themself. They should really test it and report it, when it is not working correctly, in the same ticket / issue. [14:57:22] If a fix isn't working correctly the job of a beta tester is to reopen the ticket [14:58:34] * IWorld_away is away for 5 min [14:59:09] mmovchin: they are getting pinged in #mediawiki when you change bugs in huggle [14:59:12] you shouldn't test [15:01:56] also now we lost the feed in here [15:02:03] if you create a bug on google we get pinged [15:02:14] :/ [15:02:29] if we move to bz now we wouldn't thought mails are ok [15:02:45] Has Bugzilla a RSS-Feed? [15:02:49] probably [15:03:00] mh [15:04:02] petan|wk: can you add http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huggle to the RC-Feed? (wm-bot) [15:04:35] or Huggle/* [15:05:54] mmovchin: if the setup is done, you can write a message for the mailing list. [15:07:08] I will do so, don#t worry [15:07:43] okay [15:07:45] :-) [15:10:34] IWorld: yes [15:10:38] petan why you deleted version 3.0.0? [15:10:46] mmovchin: because there is no such [15:10:48] use trunk [15:10:55] ok :) [15:10:56] trunk is latest version etc [15:11:03] yeah ok [15:11:08] version are released [15:11:11] ok :-) [15:11:16] there is no release yet [15:11:18] :P [15:11:22] can we add 2.1.19? [15:11:26] it's there [15:11:28] we already did [15:11:33] petan did :) [15:11:43] I check that. [15:12:02] yeah [15:12:15] petan did you already set up the user rights? [15:12:21] !b [15:12:21] http://code.google.com/p/huggle/issues/detail?id=$1 [15:12:22] so that beta testers may edit the status [15:12:24] !b del [15:12:25] Unable to find the specified key in db [15:12:32] !bug del [15:12:32] Successfully removed bug [15:12:48] Can I write a bug? [15:12:59] !bug is link https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=$1 [15:12:59] Key was added! [15:13:05] !b 1 [15:13:05] link https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 [15:13:13] Not yet please, IWorld [15:13:17] okay [15:13:37] Huh, why you have added "WebApp"? [15:13:51] why not? [15:14:13] I don't know the future of the WebApp.... [15:14:32] but it is a good idea [15:14:35] it can be removed anytime though [15:14:56] petan: Any admin can delete it? Or only you and me? [15:15:10] any [15:15:16] (16:11:43) mmovchin: petan did you already set up the user rights? [15:15:25] let me do that [15:15:27] Otherwise I could ask hexmode [15:15:28] ok [15:15:37] I hope thats not a big problem [15:15:38] so how do you want to have it [15:15:51] We also need a field for the beta tester assignment [15:16:03] Every user: Can report a bug and comment it [15:16:12] Have testers and developers different rights? [15:16:54] Change on 12en_wikipedia a page Wikipedia:Huggle/Sandbox was modified, changed by CalumH93 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=478436412 edit summary: Restored previous revision 442658648 ([[WP:HG|HG]]) [15:17:07] Change on 12en_wikipedia a page Wikipedia:Huggle/Sandbox was modified, changed by CalumH93 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=478436441 edit summary: Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/CalumH93|CalumH93]] ([[User talk:CalumH93|talk]]) to last revision by Canuckian89 ([[WP:HG|HG]]) [15:17:17] beta testers (hugglebeta): Can edit the status (they need to edit them to new, reopended, validated and closed [15:17:31] developers (huggledev): May edit every field of an issue [15:17:50] beta testers can close a issue?! [15:17:51] Oh and beta testers may edit the beta tester assignment [15:17:57] *an issue [15:18:09] They can close it after it's resolved or validated [15:18:16] IWorld: can you test what all fields you can edit in a bug [15:18:44] ok [15:19:05] in this here, IWorld: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34614 [15:19:21] Thanks, mmovchin [15:20:21] I can see the field "Additional Comments" [15:20:44] But I can't edit the status [15:20:46] But you cannot change any other fields? [15:20:48] ok [15:21:17] it should be fixed now [15:21:23] users can enter and edit any bug [15:21:30] beta testers can confirm it [15:21:33] ah [15:21:34] devs can do everything [15:21:38] I can check "CC List: Add me to CC list " [15:21:46] IWorld: try now [15:21:50] okay [15:21:52] you should be able to change all [15:22:12] CC List: 3 users including you [15:22:25] Sorry to interrupt, what's going on :P [15:22:34] I just logged in [15:22:49] Joe: We're setting up bz for Huggle [15:22:52] JoeGazz84: we have create an issue tracker on bugzilla [15:23:00] *created [15:23:08] mmovchin, IWorld: Ah, anything I can do to help? [15:23:17] mh [15:23:17] petan: How he is able to edit any fields when we isn't assigned to huggledev or hugglebeta [15:23:35] Joe: Currently we're trying to setup user rights [15:23:51] so the beta testes may edit the status and the devs every field [15:23:56] mmovchin: Ah, I may be able to help with that :P I've worked on my fair share of BZ installs before [15:24:12] :) [15:24:18] mmovchin + petan|wk: I can add an attachment, too. [15:24:19] ask petan please [15:24:28] I can edit all fields and I'm not in any of those groups [15:24:44] ok [15:24:50] that's how I set it up [15:24:57] let me understand what is goal first [15:25:03] mmovchin: how do you want to have it [15:25:12] now it's: [15:25:19] anyone can create and edit a bug [15:25:26] mmovchin: can I add screenshots? [15:25:30] beta testers or devs can confirm it [15:25:41] devs can change some additional flags of bug [15:25:56] ok let me see [15:26:03] how do you want it [15:26:24] one minute please [15:26:32] I will check it out with another account [15:26:51] petan|wk: Unless I'm in the huggledev group or something, I can edit all fields... [15:26:57] for some reason [15:27:24] * IWorld is away for 10 minutes [15:27:30] JoeGazz84: that's ok [15:27:34] petan: ok [15:27:47] I want users to be able to fix wrong bugs [15:28:00] So then why do we have dev and beta test groups? [15:28:04] no idea [15:28:12] * JoeGazz84 headdesks [15:28:50] I still don't understand how should it work [15:28:56] I'm just thinking... What's the point of these other groups if users can already change any field in a bug... [15:29:13] petan: Beta testers should be able to edit th status [15:29:27] and I tried it out [15:29:28] IMO we should just revert people who mark their bug confirmed and let users edit whatever they want in the bug. [15:29:47] via bz_sudoers [15:30:00] A normal user may just add bugs and add comments to it [15:30:35] I want that beta testers can verify a fix [15:30:47] Following procedure: [15:31:00] NEW BUG [15:31:11] => gets RESOLVED FIXED by a dev [15:31:33] => gets VERIFY FIXED or REOPENED INVALID by a beta tester [15:32:10] you understand? [15:32:13] mmovchin: that's not possible in bz [15:32:21] oh ok [15:32:26] you can restrict: entry edit editcomponent [15:32:26] mh :( [15:32:37] there is no other specific right [15:32:44] ok [15:32:53] so let's have only one group "hugglestaff" [15:33:00] what about just huggle [15:33:05] yeah [15:33:07] that's ok [15:33:08] or huggledev [15:33:17] no, this is also for beta testers [15:33:33] normal users should report and comment bugs [15:33:43] huggle contributors may change all fields [15:33:45] do we actually need a usergroups at all [15:33:54] mediawiki is larger project and there are none [15:34:16] I dont see the point in a usergroup to be honest... [15:34:20] how to separate devs and testes from other users? [15:34:28] Why do we need to do that? [15:34:29] why we need to separate them [15:34:40] there is no flag at all [15:34:52] I don't want that everyone can edit every priority, status, assignment, and so on [15:34:53] you wouldn't see a difference if user is in a group or not [15:35:10] hm... in that case we should restrict edit [15:35:11] Normal user cannot do this too on mediawiki [15:35:17] yes they can [15:35:19] or I can [15:35:23] but I am a dev though heh [15:35:36] yes I know [15:35:41] are you sure normal users can't because I see no config [15:35:45] As I was not a dev I couldn't [15:35:55] You're admin right? [15:36:11] mmovchin: There's no way to do what you're asking. [15:36:19] People can either fully edit the bug or they can't/ [15:36:51] ok [15:36:54] that would be ok [15:37:10] Try to use this tool https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/relogin.cgi?action=prepare-sudo and login into michel.97@hotmail.de [15:37:17] That's the account of Elsensee [15:37:31] eh, right so I will make it same a other ok [15:37:48] let's delete the beta [15:37:49] He's not in any group yet and he cannot edit any bugs [15:37:57] beta? [15:40:56] Well, since I've no idea what's actually going to end up happening with the groups, just make sure you add me to the right one(s) :P [15:41:01] back [15:41:13] I configured it same as it's for other projects now [15:41:22] can you check what all you can do or not [15:41:54] mmovchin: where I can see the bug list on bugzilla? [15:42:14] petan I will check it [15:42:19] give me some minutes [15:44:37] no devs still cannot edit anything [15:44:45] They see the same as normal users [15:45:39] :( [15:46:19] mmovchin: are they actually members of group? [15:46:27] JoeGazz84: what is your email [15:46:51] petan: joe@joegazz84.co.cc [15:46:51] got it [15:47:08] Yes, in the huggle: * HUGS * group :) [15:47:34] JoeGazz84: you have editbug thiugh [15:47:44] you definitely can edit all bugs even if you weren't in other group [15:47:47] petan|wk: ? [15:47:50] Hmm... [15:47:52] Wait... [15:47:55] I said I can :P [15:47:58] ok [15:48:00] who can't? [15:48:03] mmovchin [15:48:05] ok [15:48:08] mmovchin: is admin :/ [15:48:14] mmovchin: if I create a comment all the other users in the CC list become a mail? [15:48:18] if you can't edit there is something wrong with bz [15:48:41] Joe: Your group is: editbugs: Can edit all bug fields. [15:48:48] I CAN edit bugs! [15:48:51] mmovchin: Yea, I know. I can edit :P [15:48:52] Any bugs on any product [15:48:53] ok [15:48:54] * JoeGazz84 is so confiused :PPP [15:48:54] who can;t [15:49:03] :| [15:49:05] Any other user who is in the "Huggle" group [15:49:06] meh [15:49:11] mmovchin: example? [15:49:15] like Elsensee or IWorld [15:49:22] I believe that all members of that group can edit all fields there [15:49:33] ok [15:49:42] I loved these pings ;) [15:49:45] *love [15:49:57] give me a mail of one [15:50:04] stupid typos [15:50:22] btw this channel is publicly logged so posting a mails in here is a good way to get spammed heh [15:50:38] see query, petan [15:50:58] I like spam :) [15:51:09] I like spam, too ;) [15:51:10] Spam me >>> michael@movchin.de <<< [15:51:22] :D [15:51:43] Feel free to send me any spam emails [15:51:59] petan, got that mails from iworld and elsensee? [15:52:09] I don't send spam mails to mmovchin. [15:52:26] :( [15:52:53] meh [15:53:29] yes members of huggle can change all flags [15:54:02] now they can? [15:54:04] * IWorld takes cookies in the chat. :-) [15:54:05] let me see.... [15:54:27] * mmovchin picks a cookie [15:55:11] petan|wk: Am I in the huggle group then? [15:55:39] Yes it works now :) :) :D [15:56:52] Thank you petan :) [15:57:06] I'm now away for about 15 minutes [15:57:09] k [15:57:14] after this I will send out a mail via maillist [15:57:19] no [15:57:20] wait [15:57:32] After that I have to copy and paste all bugs from google to bz [15:57:42] Can I create a really bug? [15:57:45] and adding my own ones which I haven't reported yet [15:57:53] Then sending out the mail [15:58:17] And preparing a mail which I will send out during the meeting for all the contributors who we'rent here [15:59:51] IWorld: yes [15:59:59] ok [16:01:16] petan|wk: can the wm-bot reads a RSS feed? [16:05:49] yes [16:06:02] --> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?component=Application&list_id=93509&product=Huggle&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&title=Bug%20List&ctype=atom [16:06:02] however there is another bot for that [16:06:12] ok [16:06:12] the Petanbot? [16:09:42] !feed [16:09:42] [huggle project updates - Google Code] r818 (Preparing for first HuggleCon) committed by michael.movchin - http://code.google.com/p/huggle/source/detail?r=818 [16:09:43] [huggle project updates - Google Code] r819 (Tagged 2.1.19) committed by michael.movchin - http://code.google.com/p/huggle/source/detail?r=819 [16:09:44] [huggle project updates - Google Code] r820 (created a base for web) committed by benapetr@gmail.com - http://code.google.com/p/huggle/source/detail?r=820 [16:09:46] [huggle3 project updates - Google Code] r253 (Move some graphical stuff around) committed by adamshor...@gmail.com - http://code.google.com/p/huggle3/source/detail?r=253 [16:09:48] [huggle3 project updates - Google Code] r254 (main, gui) committed by benapetr - http://code.google.com/p/huggle3/source/detail?r=254 [16:09:49] meh [16:09:51] [huggle3 project updates - Google Code] r255 (work in progress do not build pls) committed by benapetr - http://code.google.com/p/huggle3/source/detail?r=255 [16:10:15] --> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34616 [16:10:31] back [16:11:57] re Petan [16:12:01] !feed [16:12:02] [huggle project updates - Google Code] r818 (Preparing for first HuggleCon) committed by michael.movchin - http://code.google.com/p/huggle/source/detail?r=818 [16:12:03] [huggle project updates - Google Code] r819 (Tagged 2.1.19) committed by michael.movchin - http://code.google.com/p/huggle/source/detail?r=819 [16:12:04] [huggle project updates - Google Code] r820 (created a base for web) committed by benapetr@gmail.com - http://code.google.com/p/huggle/source/detail?r=820 [16:12:10] mh [16:12:13] wait [16:12:28] petan|wk: the supybot is a better bot script [16:13:48] it uses Python 2.x [16:14:05] !rss bugzilla [16:14:13] python suck [16:14:21] this one is written in c++ [16:14:45] I don't want the bot to eat 1gb ram [16:14:56] :P [16:15:40] :P [16:16:09] or http://phpbots.org/ [16:17:59] !bz [16:18:02] :/ [16:18:10] !b [16:18:10]