[07:51:48] Hi. [07:52:01] huh? [07:52:39] Bye IWorld [07:53:09] poweriX == IWorld :-) [12:28:32] hi Elsensee [12:28:42] hi IWorld [12:32:18] petan or petan|wk: are you online? [13:35:58] see you all later [13:43:48] IWorld, why you're chanop? [13:44:00] hi mmovchin [13:45:33] * mmovchin is looking forward to the first HuggleCon today :) [13:46:26] con? [13:47:45] HuggleCon = IRC conference about Huggle [13:49:32] ToAruShiroiNeko: Feel free to join us today at 18:00 UTC [13:49:45] --> Topic [13:50:10] We will beginn with interessting topics about the development and then go forward to a new concept which also includes the beta testers [14:15:11] yay [14:15:18] will there be free e-donuts? [14:18:27] yes [14:18:53] Are the donuts open source? :O [15:20:49] back [15:20:54] What's going on here? [15:21:09] ToAruShiroiNeko: There are free donuts ;) [15:21:14] Nothing for about 15 minutes... [15:23:01] oh [15:23:17] OK, then I'm going to prepare the last things for HuggleCon [15:23:42] * matthewrbowker is looking forward to it ... I'm attending from church :) [15:28:08] matthewrbowker: Oh. :) I came home a few hours ago, I was on a event where I had to manage some things so I haven't sleeped for the past 24h :( [15:29:23] mmovchin: Sounds like fun :) [15:29:32] I've been there, it's not totally good for you :P [15:30:03] matthewrbowker: "I've been there" - where? :o [15:30:34] mmovchin: I do lighting at an amateur level. I've been up 24 hours doing show before... [15:31:27] oh [15:31:50] matthewrbowker: But not, managing a event is not always fun [15:32:27] But at least in the end :) [15:32:47] 2h and 27 min. =] [15:32:53] oh, 28 min. [15:33:22] When I know that my favourite team on the song contest will win, everything is ok [15:33:28] It's just a song contest [15:33:53] mmovchin: Good :) Good job. [15:34:26] hi chabibi [15:34:34] * matthewrbowker waves to chabibi [15:34:47] Hi * [15:36:22] The bot is ready! [15:37:10] Seen mod, Quotes mod, Log mod and bad words mod are running :-) [15:38:24] !seen matthewrbowker [15:38:25] * HuggleBot IWorld, I last saw matthewrbowker 3 min 50 sec ago saying in a channel: waves to chabibi. [15:38:25] I found 2 matches to your query (sorted): MRB[ping-me] matthewrbowker. MRB[ping-me] (463bde11@wikipedia/matthewrbowker) was last seen changing nicks from matthewrbowker on #huggle 3 minutes ago. MRB[ping-me] is still there. [15:38:55] !seen IWorld [15:38:55] IWorld, go look in a mirror. [15:38:55] IWorld, umm... O..kay... [15:38:56] * HuggleBot points at IWorld... [15:40:06] chabibi: Hello :) [15:40:22] Who is chabibi? [15:40:35] a beta tester [15:40:38] ah [15:41:16] chabibi: You want to join our conference today? [15:41:17] IWorld: Cool! [15:41:30] bad Petanbot [15:41:37] mmovchin: I will listen :) [15:42:34] I have saved the old topic. [15:43:36] chabibi: OK. :) It begins in 2 hours and 16 minutes [15:44:11] Petan, do we really need to have HuggleBot opped? [15:44:23] I want to have a such small list of chanops as possible [15:45:25] the HuggleBot can kick users, if the user write a bad word [15:45:52] OK, but I don't think we really need this for today [15:46:02] ok [15:46:03] Let's activate him if we need the bot ok? [15:46:09] ok [15:47:07] thanks [15:49:49] The bot has created a log in SQL :-( [16:00:00] 2 hours :) [16:08:13] addshore, Elsensee, MRB[ping-me], petan or petan|wk [16:08:31] Who of you needs/wants op status to moderate this meeting today? [16:08:50] I need op status :) [16:08:57] You have one [16:09:04] I know [16:09:36] .... [16:11:33] i don't :P [16:11:50] i don't need some [16:14:46] Who is HedgeBot? [16:15:01] *HedgeBot456 [16:15:27] ohm I don't see any HedgeBot456 in this channel? [16:15:39] this user is banned [16:15:51] ok [16:15:57] So let him banned ;) [16:16:18] :-) [16:17:18] The Huggle wiki on Google code is outdated :O [16:17:56] So update it ;) [16:18:00] !broken [16:18:00] oh no it's broken so fix it! [16:19:54] hi [16:20:00] hi petan! [16:20:27] hey addshore :D [16:20:40] how's school :P [16:21:30] hi petan :) [16:22:30] !seen addshore [16:22:31] IWorld, addshore is right here! [16:22:39] ah [16:23:12] petan, see query [16:23:21] what [16:27:43] brb 1h [16:28:45] ok [16:29:00] @search pad [16:29:00] Results (found 2): todolist, todo, [16:29:19] !todo [16:29:19] http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/Huggle-dev-pad [16:29:20] http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/Huggle-IRC-conference [16:30:52] Change on 12en_wikipedia a page Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback was modified, changed by Jogo.obb link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=480170123 edit summary: /* Internationalization Problems */ new section [16:37:19] mmovchin: Sorry, I was running lights. Sure, I'd like it if you need me to help. [16:37:46] (re op status) [16:38:13] ? [16:38:21] IWorld|wk: ?? [16:38:27] Theatrical lighting :) [16:38:27] :) [16:38:38] ah [16:47:49] * IWorld is away for 10-30 min. [17:13:40] Good evening! [17:13:57] or morning ;-) [17:25:55] afternoon [17:25:57] :p [17:26:13] I'm in UTC +1. [17:26:21] I'm in UTC. [17:26:39] ah [17:27:52] mmovchin: can you update at 18:00 UTC the TS site (http://toolserver.org/~mmovchin/hugglecon/), please? [17:28:07] 32 minutes left :D [17:42:57] 15 mins left [17:44:45] nice time to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkmqSoi4NDs :D (at least for me ;)) [17:47:17] mmovchin: Sorry, I was running lights. Sure, I'd like it if you need me to help. (re op status) [17:50:26] MRB[ping-me]: ok, thank you :) [17:50:32] But let's wait yet [17:50:45] Hello Inkowik and Slazenger [17:50:56] Elsensee|away: Why you got away? :( [17:51:35] hello mmovchin ;) [17:51:56] Hello Inkowik and Slazenger. [17:52:58] There are only some minutes left, now ;) [17:53:24] =] [17:53:53] Hello! [17:53:58] hey :) [17:54:16] Sorry, was downstairs grabbing a drink. [17:54:31] No problem [17:55:09] Free cookies for all: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chocolate_chip_cookies.jpg [17:55:13] Enjoy them ;) [17:55:21] sorry, mmovchin, I had got a shower ;) [17:55:24] Thanks! [17:55:39] thanks :) [17:56:51] Elsensee: No problem [17:57:03] 3 Minutes left [17:57:10] I hoped there would be some more people [17:57:19] http://www.doodle.com/4b7hprbgwiz8pcc3 [17:57:23] But ok. [17:57:41] @All: Who of you are beta testers? [17:57:49] I am. [17:57:55] petan: Already here? [17:57:59] INFO: please don't flood the channel! Use http://toolserver.org/~mmovchin/paste/ [17:58:17] IWorld we're not flooding this channel yet ;) [17:58:20] but thanks [17:58:25] :-) [17:58:41] * Thehelpfulone is [17:58:55] too [17:59:19] ok [17:59:48] So, it's 18:00 UTC now. Welcome here on the first HuggleCon :) I'm verry happy to see you all here :) [18:00:15] I just want to make sure who's here [18:00:22] Also who's just reading [18:00:52] mmovchin: I put my name on the list to beta test, so I guess so [18:01:24] Please inseret your names herer: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/HuggleCon-1-participants-list [18:01:26] *-r [18:01:36] That's the participants list [18:01:38] Thank you :) [18:02:11] Iworld and I tried to make a really cool name by combining both of our names. :P [18:02:21] :-) [18:02:29] ISlazenger? :D [18:03:02] Where are all the other devs? [18:03:13] :P [18:03:18] I don't know.. [18:03:25] they sleep [18:03:26] :D [18:03:54] That's bad. [18:03:56] petan? [18:04:09] addshore? [18:04:19] petan|wk? [18:04:36] ToAruShiroiNeko: ? [18:04:55] We need petan... [18:05:03] and addshore. [18:05:16] sorry, supper is waiting - back in 20 minutes [18:05:30] Inkowik: no problem [18:05:40] Mh, ok, we can not stop because of them (petan and addshore). [18:05:44] Inkowik: no problem [18:06:00] So: [18:06:55] Currently, we have (yet!) is a small problem in the team: We're pretty bad organized. [18:07:05] +1 agreed [18:07:35] No one knows on what bug / feature etc. the other one works on [18:07:48] hi [18:07:52] back [18:07:53] hi petan :) [18:07:56] petan: :) [18:08:07] :] [18:08:11] =|:{D [18:08:31] So we have a new concept for developing and beta testing, this will be one of the importants points in this meeting [18:09:04] Excellent! Can we hear it? [18:09:57] can we start [18:10:01] I will introduce it later. [18:10:08] petan: we already did [18:10:11] :D [18:10:12] ok [18:10:14] good [18:10:15] :) [18:10:25] So first I would like to move over to Huggle 3 [18:10:33] This is our biggest milestone yet [18:10:45] ok [18:10:59] so I would like to have huggle 2 feature frozen [18:11:01] What do we need to do before the move? [18:11:03] But as I know there is actually no concept or something similar yet [18:11:10] petan: +1 [18:11:25] that mean we shouldn't really implement more functions to huggle 2 and only maintain huggle 3, having said that I drop the development of hg2 at all [18:11:26] matthewrbowker: Which move do you mean? [18:11:28] Sorry, but I'm away for 5-10 mins. [18:11:45] IWorld: No problem [18:11:48] mmovchin: the move to huggle3 [18:11:50] if you wouldn't know how to fix anything please let me know [18:12:00] other than that I am not going to touch huggle 2 more [18:12:11] matthewrbowker: We need developers. Many motivated devs. And ideas ;) [18:12:33] petan: But we should fix major bugs in HG2, I think? [18:12:41] of course [18:12:43] Because this is just the stablest version yet [18:12:46] hyeye [18:12:48] if you wouldn't know how, tell me and I help you [18:12:49] im here! [18:12:52] OK, anyway: [18:12:53] hi addshore :) [18:12:56] hey Adam! [18:12:56] hi addshore [18:12:57] just got back from work [18:13:00] yay [18:13:04] addshore: Hi! [18:13:10] okay, i'm away for ca. 15 min - sorry [18:13:14] no prob [18:13:24] petan and Adam: Please inseret your names here: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/HuggleCon-1-participants-list [18:13:28] Elsensee: No problem [18:13:37] so again, huggle 2 is feature frozen, I don't work on it, anyone else can overtake the maintenace if they want [18:13:52] mmovchin: what is that list for? [18:14:01] Stepping out for five minutes, BRB [18:14:04] pretty much i think we sortof need to start from scratch [18:14:08] and I love the idea of a web huggle [18:14:18] and would love to start working on that [18:14:23] petan: This is for the public log, it's just a participants list of this meeting [18:14:33] addshore: We will come back to this later [18:14:37] :) [18:14:41] how far have we got? :P [18:14:47] MRB[away]: No problem [18:14:51] Funkruf: Hello [18:14:55] ;) [18:14:56] So [18:14:59] Hello mmovchin [18:15:00] let's back to HG3 [18:15:02] We need IDEAS [18:15:14] sorry, i'm late [18:15:14] * IWorld back [18:15:15] We need concepts, features, and so on [18:15:22] motivated devs and good beta testers [18:15:27] matthewrbowker: We need developers. <-- I have almost no experience with .NET but I know Java and I'm willing to learn C# if it will help bring Huggle to Linux [18:15:51] I'm sure you all have really good ideas how HG3 could be [18:16:17] We need a better layout, like Ribbon or Qt. [18:16:20] Krenair: Nice to hear. I'm sure you could help us with C# on HG3. [18:16:53] Yes, but please: We don't have so much time today, so please send your ideas to our mailing list [18:16:57] We need a concept [18:17:07] ah [18:17:08] We need features. (But useful ones). [18:17:13] Realistic ideas [18:17:17] Designing concepts [18:17:18] and so on [18:17:22] IWorld, any chance you can link me to a screeny of Ribbon or Qt? [18:17:48] You can use Paint, Photoshop, Gimp, MS Visio whatever to visialize your ideas, but please write them down, too [18:17:58] Or just use a pencil and paper and then scan them :P [18:18:12] or Inkscape [18:18:16] Krenair mmovchin: I'm willing to learn to dev, it may take time though... [18:18:19] BTW: [18:18:21] !mlo [18:18:23] !ml [18:18:23] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/huggle [18:18:33] For that who are still not on that list [18:19:02] who removed my XO [18:19:11] What's XO? [18:19:15] nvm [18:19:28] ? [18:20:25] petan: What do you mean? [18:20:29] nothing [18:20:31] back to huggle [18:20:40] yes [18:20:43] So: [18:20:46] Sorry, i have overwrite the unamed [18:20:48] well, it will be easier to dev if we start from scratch [18:20:59] the problem with huggle as it is [18:21:11] is it was origionally deved just by gurch [18:21:17] until it was working [18:21:27] that mean no one knows how does it work [18:21:29] then gurch went inactive and I tried to maintain and add to as best i could [18:21:40] yes, i still dont know how everything works [18:21:48] this doesn't apply for huggle 3 [18:22:01] we need to set up rules for repo first and coding conventions [18:22:07] Also I'm not know how everything is working [18:22:09] I would like to create a wiki page and write it there [18:22:11] petan: Agree [18:22:17] we can start now with rules for repo [18:22:21] we use svn on gc now [18:22:27] And then we can start to develop a completly new Huggle which is not based on HG2 [18:22:31] we likely move to wikimedia git when it's working [18:22:41] svn is simple [18:22:46] IWorld: ^ [18:22:50] yes [18:22:55] we have a trunk where is the devel version [18:22:57] huh? [18:23:01] we should move huggle3 there [18:23:05] Wikimedia git isn't already working, petan? [18:23:09] no it's not [18:23:23] Oh, what's wrong with it? [18:23:27] re [18:23:28] it's being prepared now [18:23:31] re Elsensee|away [18:23:35] should be done next 2 months [18:23:45] Anyway, there is a fantastic idea with HG3 [18:23:48] I don't like Git. [18:23:51] wait please [18:23:56] Elsensee: Could you please talk about it? :) [18:23:58] we discuss repo now [18:23:58] petan: me? [18:24:02] ok [18:24:04] nP [18:24:39] there is a trunk where devel version should be, all devs should commit their changes there as much as they can, it's better to make 4 commits of 4 changes than 1 big [18:25:06] It don't makes any difference to me whether we're using wikimedia svn or GC [18:25:11] Also please make sure you comment your commits so that we know whats happened [18:25:24] yes true [18:25:25] mmovchin? [18:25:32] Elsensee: Yes? [18:25:33] that apply especially to petan [18:25:40] :P [18:25:49] XD [18:25:50] heh [18:25:54] [19:23] <@mmovchin> Elsensee: Could you please talk about it? :) [18:26:01] Wait ;) [18:26:04] So what do we do now? [18:26:08] I meant awesomium on HG3 [18:26:13] oh... [18:26:16] yeah, of course [18:26:18] but now we're talking about repro [18:26:19] if you need to make a change which doesn't work, make a branch for it and commit it once it work [18:26:30] you shouldn't commit broken code, eg something what we can't compile etc [18:27:04] users with access to repo have unlimited access everywhere and that isn't going to change [18:27:07] okay, because the WebBrowser-component isn't available on mac, i had the idea to use another engine/component [18:27:16] huggle is small project and there is no reason to make restrictions like on wikimedia svn [18:27:24] and i choosed Awesomium [18:27:36] it based on WebKit, so its very fast [18:27:45] uh two topics at once? [18:27:52] what? [18:27:58] you said i should read about it [18:28:04] They were discussing the repos. [18:28:09] sorry [18:28:11] I tought we're still talking about repos [18:28:11] i wait [18:28:15] ok [18:28:17] Thank you, Elsensee ;) [18:28:26] right [18:28:37] petan: I agree with this rules [18:28:47] What rules? :D [18:28:58] !todo [18:28:58] http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/Huggle-dev-pad [18:29:03] I move it here [18:29:27] ok [18:30:55] petan: do we change the SVN? [18:30:59] not yet [18:31:06] I would like to move to git later though [18:31:29] Git? [18:31:32] yes [18:31:36] !wiki Git [18:31:36] 12http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git (Requested by petan) [18:31:42] Are there any advantages? [18:31:43] petan: Could we please work on the new rules after this meeting [18:31:44] ? [18:31:46] yes there are [18:31:53] yes we can [18:32:21] Because we don't have so much time yet and I have to go in 45 minutes because of another conference ;) [18:32:27] ok [18:32:30] So [18:32:38] Let's continue [18:32:45] Elsensee: Awesomium please :) [18:32:48] IWorld, any advantages? You've never used git, have you? [18:32:56] We're listening. [18:32:59] okay... [18:33:14] okay, because the WebBrowser-component isn't available on mac, i had the idea to use another engine/component [18:33:19] and i choosed Awesomium [18:33:22] it based on WebKit, so its very fast [18:33:33] WebBrowser component is IE at the moment right? [18:33:34] and available on different platforms [18:33:36] Krenair: I don't understand Git. [18:33:37] yes [18:33:49] So it isn't available on anything except windows. [18:33:52] Krenair: yes [18:33:54] back [18:33:55] yes [18:33:55] We use the Trident engine [18:34:20] IWorld: We will continue to talk about Git / SVN later [18:34:22] (And wine. But very, very poorly.) [18:34:27] ok [18:35:11] I think one of the main development goals for HG3 has to be cross-platform. I don't know if that's been expressed yet... that's just my thought. [18:35:27] matthewrbowker: I agree with you [18:35:50] matthewrbowker, and speed [18:35:56] As a linux user I think my position is pretty obvious :p [18:36:01]