[04:44:43] * addshore  huggles xx

[08:22:27] * Krinkle  adds #huggle to auto-join

[08:24:25] <petan>	 ah
[08:24:29] <petan>	 I replied to mw
[08:24:44] <petan>	 biggest problem is that you are only one who knows gadgets
[08:24:50] <petan>	 so if you want, work on it
[08:25:09] <petan>	 but we can only provide you the stuff on hg server
[08:25:17] <petan>	 I can't help with js
[08:25:32] <petan>	 :/
[08:26:13] <IWorld>	 How many space we are using (gcode)?
[08:29:34] <petan>	 120 mb?
[08:34:50] <IWorld>	 w00t?
[08:35:01] <IWorld>	 We have only 2000GB
[08:35:59] <IWorld>	 Can we move to wmf? I hope on wmf we have more space.
[08:36:47] <IWorld>	 Can you move all revisions?
[08:38:37] <IWorld>	 http://www.digitalmediaminute.com/article/2251/how-to-move-a-subversion-repository
[08:38:38] <petan>	 later
[08:38:47] <petan>	 not before we move to git
[08:38:58] <IWorld>	 Why git?
[08:39:00] <petan>	 wmf is being migrated to git this month and next month
[08:39:14] <petan>	 svn.wikimedia is going to be closed
[08:39:16] <petan>	 one day
[08:39:34] <petan>	 so there is a little point to move
[08:39:39] <petan>	 right now
[08:40:01] <IWorld>	 Can me move to wmf Git?
[08:40:38] <petan>	 yes
[08:40:47] <petan>	 but we need to wait for it to set up
[08:41:04] <IWorld>	 ah
[08:41:07] <petan>	 not sooner than in 2 months
[08:42:12] <IWorld>	 What are the befinits in Git?
[08:42:24] <petan>	 in fact
[08:42:26] <petan>	 not many
[08:42:44] <petan>	 it uses a different way to merge data to real repo
[08:42:53] <petan>	 which is better for wmf
[08:43:02] <petan>	 regular devs don't benefit from that
[08:43:18] <IWorld>	 ah
[08:43:58] <IWorld>	 Can we move our complete repo to WMF git?
[08:44:36] <petan>	 sure
[08:44:49] <Krinkle>	 If you like you could also request wmf to set up a separate permission group for the Huggle repo (probably even a repo-group with multiple repositories, one for each project/application). Then you can review each others revisions, based on your own criteria and rules.
[08:45:10] <Krinkle>	 the same was done for jenkins and testswarm, Ryan can do that.
[08:45:31] <IWorld>	 :)
[08:46:16] <Krinkle>	 The biggest benefit for Git is the version control logic. Whether to use Gerrit-review is not related to svn vs. git. Git itself is not related to the way we merge or review, that's gerrit.
[08:46:44] <IWorld>	 Can I commit to git?
[08:46:51] <Krinkle>	 Yes
[08:47:01] <Krinkle>	 eh, what do you mean exactly?
[08:47:13] <Krinkle>	 If there is a 'commit' command in git, like in svn?
[08:47:32] <IWorld>	 yes, I mean that
[08:47:35] <Krinkle>	 yes there is
[08:47:56] <Krinkle>	 the 2 main differences (there are more, but these I like most) is
[08:48:15] <Krinkle>	 1) In SVN there is 1 central server which has everything
[08:48:23] <IWorld>	 ah
[08:48:24] <Krinkle>	 and then the developers only have the latest version
[08:48:43] <Krinkle>	 So if you want to diff with revision of last week, svn has to download it from the server
[08:48:53] <Krinkle>	 and if the server has a problem, then everybody has a problem
[08:48:58] <Krinkle>	 also, if you are offline, you cannot commit
[08:49:05] <IWorld>	 yes
[08:49:07] <Krinkle>	 With git everybody has the entire repository
[08:49:14] <Krinkle>	 there is no 'central server'
[08:49:15] <IWorld>	 cool
[08:49:26] <Krinkle>	 of course we can agree there is 1 server we all use
[08:49:34] <Krinkle>	 (and we should, otherwise it's a mess)
[08:49:37] <IWorld>	 I like Git. :)
[08:50:04] <Krinkle>	 but you could for example have a event somewhere and go hacking with 10 friends and work with each others repository and test different combinations and fixes
[08:50:15] <IWorld>	 ah
[08:50:23] <Krinkle>	 and then after the week is over merge everything together in a branch and push it to the 'main' server
[08:50:39] <IWorld>	 wow
[08:50:51] <Krinkle>	 or you could have a test local, and send to my repository on my computer
[08:51:12] <Krinkle>	 I could add a little fix to it and send back to you, then you push both commits to the main server
[08:51:22] <Krinkle>	 but pushing to the main server is the same as pushing to me
[08:51:44] <Krinkle>	 anyway I could go on for a long while, I like git a lot (POV alert :P )
[08:52:11] <Krinkle>	 2) (short one), if you create a branch, it really is a branch and not a directory called 'branch' with a copy of trunk
[08:52:21] <IWorld>	 ok
[08:52:49] <IWorld>	 How can I get access on WMF? I have a labs account.
[08:53:39] <Krinkle>	 If you have access on Labs it means you have a WMF LDAP account
[08:53:57] <Krinkle>	 with the ldap account you can also log in to Gerrit (the git repo manager)
[08:54:13] <IWorld>	 ah
[08:54:29] <IWorld>	 with the labsconsole Logindata?
[08:54:33] <Krinkle>	 however permissions are organized separately for every repository, so logging into gerrit doesn't mean you can commit to every repository
[08:54:46] <Krinkle>	 IWorld: yes, labsconsole-wiki also uses the same LDAP login
[08:54:51] <IWorld>	 ok
[08:54:59] <Krinkle>	 it's a little bit like SUL 2.0
[08:55:08] <IWorld>	 ah
[08:55:30] <Krinkle>	 but without the downsides of copying to a local user table, ldap is really central (CentralAuth is not central :P)
[08:55:41] <IWorld>	 :)
[08:55:58] <Krinkle>	 you can ask Ryan or sumanah to get access to the 'test' repository if you like
[08:56:12] <IWorld>	 ah
[08:56:28] <Krinkle>	 I don't think they are online much in the weekend though
[08:56:51] <IWorld>	 ok
[08:57:26] <IWorld>	 Thanks for the infos!
[08:57:35] <IWorld>	 Bye
[09:38:25] <IWorld>	 Krinkle: can I use the bastion ssh key for gerrit?
[09:39:52] <IWorld>	 @ Krinkle 
[09:40:07] * Krinkle  is pinged by /Krinkle/

[09:40:14] <IWorld>	 ah
[09:40:24] <Krinkle>	 IWorld: I heard you the first time
[09:40:32] <Krinkle>	 IWorld: I don't understand your question
[09:41:11] <IWorld>	 ah
[09:41:35] <IWorld>	 Can I use the ssh public key for labsconsole (bastion) and gerrit?
[09:42:08] <IWorld>	 *my ssh public key
[09:43:25] <Krinkle>	 I don't think there is a way not to
[09:43:32] <Krinkle>	 they must match afaik
[09:43:39] <Krinkle>	 ask #wikimedia-labs
[09:43:42] <Krinkle>	 I dont know
[09:45:06] <IWorld>	 I'm using the public key for both :)
[10:47:45] * addshore  yawns

[11:48:10] <IWorld>	 re
[11:53:18] <IWorld>	 petan: I want to create the mobile design
[12:44:24] <petan>	 no problem
[12:51:22] <IWorld>	 Do we use jQuery?
[12:51:25] <IWorld>	 *Can
[12:51:32] <IWorld>	 @ petan
[12:56:09] <IWorld>	 Petanbot: ping
[16:01:26] <IWorld>	 hi Elsensee 
[16:01:33] <Elsensee>	 hi IWorld :)
[16:01:57] * IWorld  works on the jQuery UI login dialog

[16:02:00] <Elsensee>	 I'm stil alive :D ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI )
[16:02:06] <Elsensee>	 cool
[16:02:29] * Elsensee  goes to labs...

[16:02:54] <IWorld>	 labs?
[16:03:01] <IWorld>	 labsconsole.wikimedia.org?
[16:03:13] <IWorld>	 @ Elsensee 
[16:03:27] <Elsensee>	 no, to hugglewa.wmflabs.org ;) 
[16:03:39] <IWorld>	 ah....
[16:03:59] <IWorld>	 do you look at the site?
[16:04:13] <Elsensee>	 wow
[16:04:15] <Elsensee>	 yes
[16:04:17] <IWorld>	 :)
[16:04:27] <IWorld>	 hg.wikimedia.org is the short domain
[16:04:30] <IWorld>	 sry
[16:04:34] <IWorld>	 hg.wmflabs.org
[16:05:03] <Elsensee>	 IWorld: i think the buttons should work about AJAX
[16:05:14] <Elsensee>	 *with
[16:05:19] <IWorld>	 yes
[16:05:44] <IWorld>	 And if you visited the site with a tablet or smartphone, the site has an other style :D
[16:05:49] <IWorld>	 *visit
[16:14:59] <addshore>	 i hate global variables and php
[16:25:20] <IWorld>	 I'am missing the error report in JavaScript.
[16:26:07] <Elsensee>	 addshore: php is too complicated for me because of the global variables, but i can write it...
[16:41:07] * IWorld  is away for 15 mins

[17:01:48] <mmovchin>	 hello
[17:02:32] <IWorld>	 re
[17:09:06] * IWorld  is downloading Firebug

[17:09:17] <Elsensee>	 hi mmovchin :)
[17:09:35] <IWorld>	 hi mmovchin 
[17:10:45] <mmovchin>	 Elsensee and IWorld: Hello :)
[18:18:49] <addshore>	 anyone here? :)
[18:18:56] <IWorld>	 no
[18:18:58] <addshore>	 ~:P
[18:19:04] <addshore>	 IWorld, you a php man?
[18:19:12] <IWorld>	 yes
[18:19:20] <addshore>	 right
[18:19:24] <addshore>	 HELP ME!
[18:19:25] <addshore>	 :P
[18:19:32] <IWorld>	 What's the problem?
[18:19:37] <addshore>	 right
[18:19:47] <addshore>	 at the begining of my program I create some (global) variables
[18:19:52] <addshore>	 each is an array
[18:19:55] <IWorld>	 ah
[18:20:06] <addshore>	 i.e. $sbAlias = getAliases();
[18:20:11] <IWorld>	 yes
[18:20:17] <addshore>	 so thats at the begining
[18:20:20] <IWorld>	 ah
[18:20:37] <addshore>	 but then I have a seperate function that later on in the program I want to CHANGE the global variable
[18:20:38] <IWorld>	 If you have a very long code, ask mmovchin ;)
[18:20:44] <IWorld>	 I'am away
[18:20:50] <addshore>	 haha
[18:20:50] <addshore>	 D
[18:20:58] <addshore>	 mmovchin, stop being away? :)
[18:21:18] <addshore>	 its long but that doesnt matter
[18:21:30] <addshore>	 i just know how else I can / shold store the data so that it can be edited from everywhere
[18:23:05] * IWorld  is away for 10-60 min

[18:23:12] * addshore  slaps IWorld 

[18:24:09] <IWorld>	 addshore: set the code ready to reading
[18:24:21] <IWorld>	 I look at that later.
[18:24:22] <addshore>	 ?
[18:24:45] <IWorld>	 Can you give me the link to the file?
[18:25:00] <addshore>	 its a series of files
[18:25:06] <addshore>	 ill create a mock up though
[18:25:10] <addshore>	 in a few lines
[18:25:19] <IWorld>	 ok
[18:25:55] <IWorld>	 I'm in 10-30 mins back. You can post it on the ts svn.
[18:26:01] <IWorld>	 *toolserver
[18:26:48] <addshore>	 well this is it
[18:26:48] <addshore>	 $sbAlias = getAliases();
[18:26:48] <addshore>	 function regenerateLists( $lists = null ) {
[18:26:48] <addshore>	 	global $sbAlias;
[18:26:48] <addshore>	 	$sbAlias = getAliases();
[18:26:48] <addshore>	 }
[18:27:10] <addshore>	 i just need a different way to store $sbAlias so that it can be altered everywhere
[18:32:04] <Elsensee>	 addshore: is the code in a class?
[18:32:26] <addshore>	 no
[18:32:31] <addshore>	 but
[18:32:49] <addshore>	 infact, just no
[18:33:20] <Elsensee>	 if its in a class, maybe $this->sbAlias will help
[18:33:44] <addshore>	 hmmm
[18:33:51] <addshore>	 maybe I should just put it in a class?
[18:34:05] <addshore>	 I have the 8 or so variables I want everywhere in another class
[18:34:24] <Elsensee>	 but im no php-pro
[18:34:29] <Elsensee>	 ;)
[18:34:32] <addshore>	 :P
[18:46:49] <IWorld>	 re
[18:51:05] <addshore>	 dsekjgjlasdf
[18:52:52] <IWorld>	 Elsensee: the jQuery login is in the repo
[18:54:01] <Elsensee>	 nice :)
[18:54:08] <Elsensee>	 IWorld: can you help addshore
[18:54:12] <Elsensee>	 he needs you :)
[18:54:30] <IWorld>	 :/
[18:54:33] <addshore>	 :>
[18:54:37] * addshore  waves

[18:54:42] <IWorld>	 Can I see the complete script?
[18:55:46] <addshore>	 too big and messy :/
[18:55:58] <addshore>	 but the above is the only code that needs ot be fixed
[18:56:46] <IWorld>	 ah
[18:56:55] <IWorld>	 What is the error message?
[18:56:57] <addshore>	 http://pastebin.com/ZEmpU5C3
[18:57:01] <addshore>	 there isnt an error message
[18:57:11] <addshore>	 its just the fact that when the function changes the variable
[18:57:22] <addshore>	 it only changes the localish version inside the function
[18:57:37] <addshore>	 the global var another part of the script reads repeatidly stays the same
[18:57:45] <addshore>	 when that is what I want to update
[18:58:07] <IWorld>	 What is the result of the script (in your dreams ;) )
[18:58:11] <IWorld>	 ?
[18:58:24] <addshore>	 for that function to be able to update the global variable
[18:58:53] <IWorld>	 with get or post?
[18:59:10] <addshore>	 ??
[18:59:24] <IWorld>	 kk
[18:59:25] <addshore>	 i mean I found this
[18:59:25] <addshore>	 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/107693/global-variables-in-php-not-working-as-expected
[18:59:37] <addshore>	 which is when i realised global is annoying
[18:59:56] <addshore>	 global $foo doesn't mean "make this variable global, so that everyone can use it". global $foo means "within the scope of this function, use the global variable $foo".
[19:00:07] <addshore>	 which is my problem
[19:00:21] <addshore>	 as when the function ends the new data ythat was entered vanishes
[19:00:43] <addshore>	 meanwhile the actual variable which is defined origionally stays the same
[19:01:09] <IWorld>	 sry, I'm not a PHP prof... And I know the problem...
[19:01:57] <addshore>	 just, where else could I store the array that could actually be updated :<
[19:02:17] <IWorld>	 perhaps here you are on the right place: #php
[19:02:37] <addshore>	 I did
[19:02:46] <addshore>	 and they said not to use global :P
[19:02:50] <IWorld>	 ah
[19:02:53] <addshore>	 but didnt really help much else :P
[19:03:07] <addshore>	 can $_SESSION store arrays? :P
[19:03:25] <addshore>	 haha , would eb a shit way or doing it but it would work
[19:05:51] <addshore>	 Snowolf, you good at php ? :)
[19:34:54] <IWorld>	 petan: look at this: http://hg.wmflabs.org/trunk/
[19:41:54] <addshore>	 if someone tell me where we are putting all the wiki functions ill go and fill that in :)
[20:43:24] <IWorld>	 re Krinkle 
[20:43:41] <Krinkle>	 Hi
[20:44:12] <IWorld>	 How you had get the "Ready for git?"?
[20:45:31] <IWorld>	 @ Krinkle 
[20:45:45] <mmovchin>	 addshore, IWorld, Elsensee|away: If anyone of you needs help with PHP, I will be here in some time
[20:45:51] <mmovchin>	 My cactus is upset and the whole earth is now on the ground! Now I have to make everything clean and vacuum ...
[20:45:57] <mmovchin>	 So this could take some time ;)
[20:46:08] * Krinkle  feels the earth shatter into pieces

[20:46:26] <Krinkle>	 our planet is being sucked into a vacuum cleaner!
[20:46:36] <IWorld>	 ah
[20:46:50] <Krinkle>	 IWorld: What do you mean?
[20:46:56] <IWorld>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/users.php
[20:47:10] <Krinkle>	 I don't know
[20:47:21] <IWorld>	 That's a good answer ;)
[20:47:32] <Krinkle>	 I know what you  mean, but I don't know the answer
[20:47:40] <Krinkle>	 Let me see what the code behind that page is
[20:47:59] <IWorld>	 where is the code?
[20:48:24] <Krinkle>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/tools/subversion/users.php?view=markup
[20:49:04] <Krinkle>	 IWorld: You need to set `name` and `email` 
[20:49:20] <Krinkle>	 Git uses email for unique identification of commiters across repositories
[20:49:25] <IWorld>	 Where? On Gerrit?
[20:49:42] <Krinkle>	 (because there is no central server, there is no username database in Git, so emailaddress is used)
[20:49:56] <Krinkle>	 IWorld: You add it in the USERINFO file in SVN
[20:50:00] <Krinkle>	 that will later be imported into Gerrit
[20:50:14] <Krinkle>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/USERINFO/
[20:50:41] <Krinkle>	 do a checkout of that directory on your computer and edit or create a file named after your commit username (lowercase)
[20:51:04] <IWorld>	 How can I get access to Wikimedia svn :)
[20:51:05] <Krinkle>	 and then 'svn add iworld', 'svn commit -m "Adding USERINFO file for me"'
[20:51:15] <Krinkle>	 IWorld: You have an SVN account, right?
[20:51:25] <IWorld>	 only a labs account
[20:51:31] <Krinkle>	 I see your account listed there, so you have an account
[20:51:47] <Krinkle>	 Labs uses LDAP for login, you have a LDAP account
[20:51:48] <IWorld>	 How can I access to that :O
[20:52:04] <Krinkle>	 which is also used by labsconsole-wiki and by SVN 
[20:52:21] <IWorld>	 The same password?
[20:52:27] <Krinkle>	 no password
[20:52:31] <Krinkle>	 it uses ssh keys
[20:52:39] <IWorld>	 Wikimedia SVN?
[20:52:42] <Krinkle>	 Yes
[20:52:57] <IWorld>	 I'm using Windows with Tortoise SVN.
[20:53:05] <Krinkle>	 If you do an https:// checkout, then it it anonymous (read-only). If you do checkout over ssh+svn:// then (if you have an account) you can also commit
[20:53:15] <Krinkle>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion
[20:54:39] <IWorld>	 Unable to connect to a repository at URL
[20:55:19] <Krinkle>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion#URLs
[20:55:25] <Krinkle>	 what url are you using
[20:55:29] <Krinkle>	 what command are you using
[20:58:43] <IWorld>	 sec.
[20:59:43] <Krenair>	 Krinkle, sumanah set up my account for gerrit/labs, does that mean I have an SVN account as well?
[20:59:51] <Krinkle>	 Maybe
[21:00:04] <Krinkle>	 Yes, it looks like it
[21:00:11] <Krinkle>	 But you may not have permission to commit to mediawiki core
[21:01:07] <Krenair>	 Krinkle, ok
[21:03:26] * IWorld  switched to Linux

[21:03:36] <Krenair>	 * IWorld (~ubuntu@wikimedia/IWorld) has joined #huggle
[21:04:24] <IWorld>	 Now I can use the svn easily.
[21:08:17] <IWorld>	 Krinkle: svn: To better debug SSH connection problems, remove the -q option from 'ssh' in the [tunnels] section of your Subversion configuration file.
[21:08:32] <Krinkle>	 IWorld: which command did you use
[21:08:51] <IWorld>	 svn checkout svn+ssh://iworld@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/USERINFO userinfo
[21:09:04] <Krinkle>	 There is no repository named "USERINFO"
[21:09:09] <Krinkle>	 Look again
[21:10:16] <IWorld>	 svn checkout svn+ssh://iworld@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/USERINFO userinfo
[21:10:26] <IWorld>	 the same
[21:11:59] <IWorld>	 @ Krinkle 
[21:13:07] <Krinkle>	 Migth me a permissions issue with the known_hosts file in your ~/.subversion
[21:13:58] <Krinkle>	 .ssh i mean
[21:14:14] <IWorld>	 on my computer?
[21:14:18] <Krinkle>	 yes
[21:14:23] <Krinkle>	 be*
[21:16:05] <IWorld>	 I haven't got known_hosts in the folder.
[21:16:20] <IWorld>	 auth  config  README.txt  servers
[21:17:11] <IWorld>	 @ Krinkle 
[21:17:35] <Krinkle>	 ~/.ssh ?
[21:18:38] <IWorld>	 there are 2 keys
[21:19:53] <IWorld>	 @ Krinkle 
[21:20:44] <Krinkle>	 k
[21:20:54] <Krinkle>	 Sorry, can't help you. I use svn and it works for me
[21:21:02] <Krinkle>	 Perhaps ask in #mediawiki
[21:21:08] <Krinkle>	 or google on the error message
[21:23:43] <IWorld>	 Which client you use?
[21:24:27] <IWorld>	 Good news :)
[21:24:35] * IWorld  is switching to Windows

[22:04:07] <IWorld>	 I can't access to svn.wikimedia.org
[22:04:32] <IWorld>	 "(server sent: public key)"
[22:05:04] <IWorld>	 good night
[22:11:35] <mmovchin>	 so
[22:11:37] <mmovchin>	 finally back
[22:11:53] <mmovchin>	 Elsensee: I'm back
[23:43:47] <Elsensee>	 good night...