[11:30:32] <petan>	 MadriCR: what version of huggle is that
[11:30:38] <petan>	 I don't even understand that error :P
[16:49:18] <petan>	 !ping
[16:49:18] <wm-bot>	 poing
[16:49:43] <Elsensee>	 poing!
[21:15:13] <Josve05a>	 !help petan Ever since I updated to the latest build, the chance of HG3 to crash within the firt 5 min. became around 75%.
[21:15:13] <wm-bot>	 If you need help, write an email to huggle@lists.wikimedia.org or ask a voiced user. Maybe petan, mmovchin, Elsensee or IWorld are online?
[21:15:32] <petan>	 Josve05a: interesting
[21:15:37] <petan>	 what OS what huggle version
[21:15:42] <Josve05a>	 Window7 7
[21:15:52] <Josve05a>	 oops...Windows 7
[21:15:52] <petan>	 huggle version?
[21:16:31] <Josve05a>	 Huggle 3 QT [3.0.0.0 build: 113 d1a850f]
[21:16:42] <petan>	 113??
[21:16:50] <petan>	 that you call a latest version :P
[21:17:02] <petan>	 you are like 1000+ commits behind
[21:17:17] <petan>	 I have 1144 here
[21:17:21] <Josve05a>	 ...I mean the latest relewsed "pre-buit" version
[21:17:33] <Josve05a>	 oops.....
[21:17:52] <Josve05a>	 I scrolled up, the IRC and got lost for a minute...
[21:18:03] <petan>	 Installer: Version 3.0.0.0 beta #1153
[21:18:29] <petan>	 Josve05a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Huggle/Huggle3_Beta has 1153 how did you get your version?
[21:18:34] <petan>	 where did you download it
[21:18:55] <Josve05a>	 oops, I meant to write 1153*
[21:19:01] <petan>	 ah ok
[21:19:08] <Josve05a>	 haha, my keyboard is eierd today
[21:19:13] <Josve05a>	 wierd*
[21:19:17] <petan>	 mhm
[21:19:45] <petan>	 ok can you start huggle in terminal maybe with parameter -vvv so that we see what it did before it crash?
[21:20:20] <Josve05a>	 um...I am not a....coputer-guy...how should I do that?
[21:20:33] <petan>	 run cmd.exe
[21:20:58] <petan>	 get into the path where huggle is installed (program files(x86)\Huggle) run huggle.exe -vvv
[21:22:03] <Josve05a>	 trying...
[21:22:30] <petan>	 ok
[21:23:23] <Josve05a>	 I'll try that in an hour..ok? I need to run. Get back to you later
[21:23:44] <Elsensee>	 whoa.. i guess i missed a much
[21:23:53] <Elsensee>	 tell me, petan... what happened to mmovchin?
[21:23:53] <petan>	 indeed
[21:23:58] <petan>	 no idea
[21:24:01] <petan>	 @seen mmovchin
[21:24:01] <wm-bot>	 petan: I have never seen mmovchin
[21:24:05] <Elsensee>	 O.O
[21:24:26] <Elsensee>	 sorry.. i had to fix my life...
[21:24:41] <petan>	 np
[21:26:57] <Elsensee>	 why did you decide to change to c++?
[23:03:08] <Josve05a>	 petan sorry to leave you...how am I supposed to enter the -vvv in cmd?
[23:03:43] <Josve05a>	 to have left you*
[23:06:41] <Elsensee>	 navigate in cmd to the folder where huggle is installed
[23:08:47] <Josve05a>	 It is in "C:\Program Files (x86)\Huggle"  (I'm sorry, I have never used this cmd.exe before...)
[23:10:01] <Elsensee>	 okay
[23:10:15] <Elsensee>	 now you enter:
[23:10:18] <Elsensee>	 huggle.exe -vvv
[23:11:39] <Josve05a>	 (translated to English) "huggle.exe -vvv is not an intrenal command, external command, program or commandfile:"
[23:11:55] <Josve05a>	 internal*
[23:13:41] <Elsensee>	 wait.. did you navigated to the folder where huggle is installed
[23:13:45] <Josve05a>	 never mind, iI typed wrong and tried it again...it opened huggle.
[23:13:48] <Elsensee>	 or should i help you with that
[23:13:52] <Elsensee>	 ah okay
[23:14:39] <Elsensee>	 petan: what now? :D
[23:16:44] <Josve05a>	 I have no idea what to do now....I even had to use Google to find out how to change the folder in cmd...
[23:18:43] <Josve05a>	 now Huggle crashed again, inside this -vvv...thingy
[23:19:17] <Elsensee>	 okay
[23:19:26] <Elsensee>	 maybe you can post the.. uhm..
[23:19:34] <Elsensee>	 output text here?
[23:19:45] <Josve05a>	 What output-text?
[23:20:25] <Josve05a>	 the (translated) "huggle.exe has stopeed working"-window?
[23:20:26] <Elsensee>	 petan said you should start huggle with the -vvv parameter so we can see what happened before the crahs
[23:20:33] <Elsensee>	 *crash
[23:20:38] <Josve05a>	 I could not see anything...
[23:20:51] <Elsensee>	 hmm
[23:20:57] <Elsensee>	 petan: ^
[23:22:07] <Josve05a>	 I think he is angry at me for leaving before...
[23:22:12] <Elsensee>	 noo :D
[23:22:45] <Elsensee>	 but maybe he sleeps
[23:22:51] <Elsensee>	 it's 1 am here
[23:23:03] <Josve05a>	 with his computer on? It is 1:22 here where I am
[23:23:07] <Josve05a>	 am*
[23:23:21] <Elsensee>	 yeah.. we're all in the same timezone :D
[23:23:22] <Elsensee>	 cool :D
[23:23:57] <Josve05a>	 Which country? Maybe we are in the same? :D
[23:24:25] <Elsensee>	 noo.. he is from czech republic i think.. you're appearently from sweden... and i'm from germany :D
[23:25:12] <Josve05a>	 How did you know I'm from Sweden?...stalker? (or did you just do a whoise?) :D
[23:25:54] <Elsensee>	 looked at your wikipedia page ;)
[23:26:10] <Josve05a>	 I'll say it again...stalker! :D
[23:26:25] <Elsensee>	 that's okay... :D
[23:28:09] <Josve05a>	 Elsensee The file under #Gewinne on your German user page appears to be broken...
[23:28:36] <Elsensee>	 oh yeah
[23:28:43] <Elsensee>	 what did happen there?
[23:28:50] <Elsensee>	 however.. wasn't active for a long time
[23:28:53] <Elsensee>	 anywhere
[23:29:27] <Elsensee>	 that's why i didn't updated any of my user pages and that's why i don't know much about huggle now
[23:31:34] <Josve05a>	 wow, how can someone not be active on Wikipedia? That is like....umm...crazy!
[23:31:51] <Elsensee>	 haha :D
[23:33:10] <Elsensee>	 i just needed time for myself... :) but now my life is 100% more awesome :)
[23:34:16] <Josve05a>	 without Wikipedia? I doubt it! Just kiddin'! Good for you, being able to break free and not becoming adicted! :D
[23:36:57] <Elsensee>	 yeah.. well..
[23:37:22] <Elsensee>	 i was never as active as the other wikipedians... (do you say that like that in english? ^^)
[23:37:44] <Elsensee>	 whatever..
[23:37:50] <Josve05a>	 I...think so, I am not sure
[23:38:03] <Elsensee>	 i just edited here and there if i see something
[23:38:06] <Elsensee>	 and i still do
[23:38:21] <Elsensee>	 but i am just not every day on wikipeda
[23:38:23] <Elsensee>	 *wikipedia
[23:38:55] <Josve05a>	 I used to be active on sv.wiki, but when I started on en, I was stuck...everyday is a Wikipedia-day. (not perfect grammar, but...)
[23:40:03] <Elsensee>	 i can say you that: it IS possible to break free... really
[23:40:09] <Elsensee>	 :D
[23:41:34] <Josve05a>	 ...but....if I don't want too? ...but I must...no...yes...STOP GIVING ME THESE THOUGHTS! :D
[23:42:57] <Elsensee>	 if you don't have other things to do and you want to share your knowledge.. i think wikipedia is awesome... but i have other things to do.. and if not - i don't want to share my knowledge since i'm still at school
[23:43:03] <Elsensee>	 instead i want to share my skills
[23:43:04] <Elsensee>	 :D
[23:43:13] <Elsensee>	 and that's why i'm addicted to programming..
[23:44:15] <Elsensee>	 nah... not really addicted...
[23:44:24] <Josve05a>	 thats great! too bad that I neither have any knowledge or skills - plus that I still goes to school. :P
[23:45:03] <Elsensee>	 which grade? :)
[23:45:15] <Josve05a>	 9th (haha)
[23:46:28] <Elsensee>	 oh :D
[23:46:33] <Elsensee>	 when did you started with wikipedia?
[23:46:58] <Krenair>	 I was still at school when I started developing MediaWiki.
[23:47:10] <Josve05a>	 2010
[23:47:15] <Josve05a>	 I think...
[23:47:41] <Elsensee>	 Krenair: cool.. right now i'm trying to get into the phpbb development team :D
[23:47:47] <Elsensee>	 Josve05a: whoa.. that is..
[23:47:58] <Krenair>	 I'm still school age in most countries, but I do contract work for WMF on VE now :)
[23:47:58] <Elsensee>	 5th grade?
[23:48:25] <Josve05a>	 4-5th grade...I don't remember...I'm checking after my first edit
[23:49:16] <Krenair>	 Woah, that's like year 6?
[23:49:20] <Elsensee>	 yeah
[23:49:55] <Elsensee>	 i started in year 7 or 8.. and stopped in 9 :D
[23:50:04] <Krenair>	 9th grade = year 10
[23:50:04] <Elsensee>	 but that early? :o
[23:50:09] <Krenair>	 (I hate doing these conversions)
[23:50:15] <Elsensee>	 Krenair: where do you live?
[23:50:24] <Krenair>	 England
[23:50:48] <Elsensee>	 oh damn.. a new country in our conversation group :D
[23:50:54] <Elsensee>	 even a new timezone
[23:51:29] <Josve05a>	 (27 februari 2010 22.14 was my first edit)..and now when I look at it it looks....stupid. I seem to be a AGF-vandal.)
[23:51:36] <Josve05a>	 Wooo!  new time zone!
[23:51:43] <Krenair>	 Meh. My computer thinks I'm on the continent today, for some reason. Might as well be the same time zone :D
[23:52:31] <Elsensee>	 Krenair: hmm.. what does year 10 mean? should be just 6th grade, right?
[23:52:35] <Elsensee>	 uuhh
[23:52:37] <Elsensee>	 10th grade
[23:52:53] <Krenair>	 year 10 = 9th grade
[23:53:29] <Elsensee>	 okay.. that is so confusing xD
[23:53:31] <Josve05a>	 what? makes no sense that 10=9...than we can say 1+1+=fish!
[23:53:33] <Krenair>	 Different countries, therefore different school age groups have different meanings.
[23:55:13] <Krenair>	 England and Wales use reception to refer to the first year of mandatory education, then year 1-14 after that. Different countries do different things: Northern Ireland refers to reception as Year 1 and counts up from there, and I have no idea how Scotland's numbering works
[23:55:13] <Elsensee>	 why is 9th grade the last year in elementary school in sweden?
[23:55:22] <Elsensee>	 that is like.. what the fuck :D
[23:56:31] <Josve05a>	 Whe have another school that is "optional" after 9th grade called "gymnasium". (Like High school)...but I son't know why
[23:56:37] <Josve05a>	 don't*
[23:56:49] <Elsensee>	 whoa
[23:56:51] <Elsensee>	 awesome :o
[23:57:04] <Elsensee>	 Finally another country where Gymnasium exists
[23:57:14] <Josve05a>	 Woo!
[23:57:30] <Krenair>	 The UK has mandatory education after school leaving age (16) now, up to 18.
[23:58:19] <Elsensee>	 hmm.. in germany it is 15 or 16.. don't know
[23:58:20] <Josve05a>	 I think that we stole that word from Germany. When you end 9th grade in Sweden you should be 16 (possible 16, if you havn't had your birthday yet)
[23:58:31] <Josve05a>	 possible 15*
[23:58:45] <Elsensee>	 right i was 15 when i was in 9th grade
[23:58:54] <Elsensee>	 but we stole that word from the greeks
[23:59:04] <Elsensee>	 Gymnos = nude
[23:59:14] <Josve05a>	 what? haha...
[23:59:37] <Elsensee>	 :D