[00:00:00] or just write it without virtualhosts? [00:00:09] like firstone? [00:00:14] or second? [00:00:16] Try it and see what works rather than bothering other people. [00:00:22] It's not going to break anything. You can always delete it. [00:00:30] And make sure you restart Apache afterwards. [00:01:02] ok [00:01:02] thank you [00:01:29] avar, I think your test suite loads Language.php without intitializing $wgMemc or something. [00:04:21] probably, been a while since I wrote it and if nobody has maintained it.. [00:05:57] 03avar * r24277 10/ (/ trunk/phase3/t/maint/unix-newlines.t): Report the lines win32 newlines are found at [00:06:01] 03avar * r24278 10/ (/ trunk/phase3/t/maint/bom.t): don't slurp the whole file, we only need to test line 1, this speeds things up immensely [00:10:46] tests/ has . . . eight tests? [00:15:15] Simetrical: seven?:) [00:15:24] 03avar * r24279 10/ (/ trunk/phase3/tests/SanitizerTest.php): this has been replaced by t/inc/Sanitizer.t [00:18:29] stacco. notte ^^ [00:33:24] anybody here [00:34:14] ok [00:35:10] People are always here. [00:35:14] If you have a question, ask it. [00:35:22] People may answer eventually. [00:35:30] Whereas if you don't ask, they can't answer, can they? [00:35:35] *Simetrical points to last sentence of topic [00:36:01] ok [00:36:28] You can Special:Export [00:36:35] then go right to Special:Import [00:36:37] correct? [00:37:37] Yes. [00:38:02] what does SPecial:Import look like? [00:41:19] Try going to it on your wiki and you'll see. [00:41:33] wikipedia doesnt have it enabled [00:41:36] It's just a form that allows you to upload files. [00:41:44] copy and paste? [00:41:45] Or, if configured, to import directly from other sites. [00:41:59] No, you get a file from Special:Export. You save that somewhere, then upload it at Special:Import. [00:42:09] ok... [00:42:24] one file at a time? [00:42:48] Yes, but one file can contain many pages. [00:42:52] It can contain the entire wiki. [00:42:56] ok [00:42:59] (Although your server might not accept POSTs that large.) [00:43:25] i've had bad experiences with POSTS failing [00:43:40] It's recommended to use command-line utilities instead. [00:43:57] what do you mean? [00:44:12] maintenance/importDump.php works (veery slowly), and I think mwdumper (somewhat faster) is also for importing. [00:44:43] I mean that if you have access to a command line, you can upload the files via FTP and run the scripts directly, rather than trying to POST a ginormous file that PHP will time out on. [00:45:31] so you're saying [00:45:39] upload the file to FTP or something [00:45:49] then reference it when you upload? [00:49:56] n8 [00:50:42] Something to that effect, yes. You need access to a command line (shell) for that to be possible. [00:50:46] At least presently. [00:51:11] so you'd have to ssh into the server? [00:55:09] To use the command-line variants, yes. Otherwise you can use the Web interface, but as you say, that's not as reliable. [01:16:22] 03(mod) Create mailing list for Meta - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10098 low->normal (10anaconda) [01:22:07] does this page looks like a recent changes http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Special:RecentRatings ? [01:22:11] same style [01:38:45] any tricks to setting up imagemagick besides setting $wgImageMagickConvertCommand? [01:38:54] exec() has to work. [01:39:08] I.e., you can't be in safe mode, can't be too restrictive open_basedir, etc. [01:41:05] what's a quick way to test exec()? pretty sure i'm not in safe mode but I don't know where it's set... [01:42:35] Gah, what's the name of the global with the site root, like http://example.org, again? [01:43:08] Simetrical, just tested, exec() is working [01:43:46] alxndr, do you get error messages or anything? [01:43:48] Krade, $wgServer ? [01:43:55] Simetrical, no [01:44:01] That was it, thanks [01:45:19] alxndr, what happens when an image is supposed to be converted? [01:45:33] Like, if you try to use a thumbnail? [01:45:54] Simetrical, no file shows up where it's supposed to [01:46:37] The directories are writable and all? [01:46:49] 777? [01:47:14] they're 755, but it was all working before with GD, do they need to be 777? [01:47:31] Well, try it. In most configurations they need to be, yes. [01:48:41] still no go [01:53:53] Simetrical, I tested 'convert' with the command imagemagick recommends and it worked, so it's not an imagemagick problem [01:54:09] Is that the same command MediaWiki is using? [01:54:18] I've never really bothered with all this very extensively, I'm afraid. [01:54:23] So I'm mostly just guessing. [01:54:28] i thought so, it's what is asked for in localsettings [01:57:09] safe mode is off [02:07:41] Umh, how do I make it so my special page doesn't appear listed in Special pages for all users? [02:07:57] I tried playing with wgAvailableRights, but it didn't work [02:09:48] Nevermind, got it [02:16:19] Simetrical, it's magic(k)ally fixed itself. [02:16:25] i hate it when things do that. [02:20:16] okay now for a wonkier question, I've updated from 1.6 to 1.10 and suddenly our recent changes feed keeps spitting out duplicates of old changes, any ideas? [02:21:46] God I fucking hate windows boxes >:() [02:23:31] Simetrical: http://www.findmagiccards.com/Cards/TSN/Lightning_Axe.html [02:23:33] LOL [02:23:46] LOL what? [02:23:50] Other than that it sucks. [02:23:53] how do you have an axe of lightning? [02:23:57] . . . [02:23:58] I mean wtf [02:24:10] Magic is a fantasy game, you know. [02:24:16] Its name might be taken as a hint to that. [02:24:32] yes, but even for the game [02:24:44] It's not really hard to imagine. [02:24:59] You have an axe-thing, only made out of movie-style electricity. [02:25:05] The sort you can actually see. [02:26:42] I can visualize it obviously, but it is still hilarious [02:28:29] So, uh, I bet you find the idea of stuff like zombies, elementals, wizards, and so on also pretty funny? [02:29:56] zombies are kinda funny [02:35:57] not when they're chewing on your brain [02:38:08] is there a sofisticated merge strategy in media wiki? How do you handle concurent edits? [02:41:13] you throw an edit conflict, so no [02:41:30] that is, when diff3 doesnt' work [02:46:11] $wgLogo is not displayed when i set $wgLogo to an .svg file. how do i display it? [02:47:02] *VoiceOfAll throws a lighting axe at simetrical [02:47:32] Nkrcdx5, convert it to PNG or another format. [02:48:16] is it not possible for $wgLogo to be an svg image? [02:48:56] Nkrcdx5: some browsers don't handle SVG really well [02:50:30] YGingras: i am using firefox and am able to view other svg images. [02:50:52] If you want to screw over IE users . . . [02:51:01] This is a background-image, not a regular image, so maybe that's the issue FF is having. [02:52:05] i see, thank you. btw, my wiki not accessible to the public, so compatability with other browsers is not an issue. [02:52:29] Nkrcdx5: a logo has a fixed size, you won't gain much over a raster. Why don't you just render your svg at the right size? [02:52:47] YGingras: i shall do this. [02:53:07] Nkrcdx5: that's one solution [02:54:02] thank you for your assistance. [02:55:02] 03(NEW) Feature Request - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (dirtyknacker) [02:55:23] *amidaniel blinks at the vague title [02:56:45] heh [02:57:11] 03(mod) Article repository tab - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 summary (10cannon.danielc) [02:57:58] *amidaniel now tries to make heads or tails of what this person is asking [02:59:12] Don't we have .. uhh .. talk pages ... for this sort of thing? [03:00:36] amidaniel: no [03:00:52] usually that kind of thing is done on subpages [03:01:07] Talk subpages [03:01:19] yeah, or article [03:01:31] no need for another namespace [03:01:56] Yeah, I don't get it ... [03:02:53] 03erik * r24280 10/USERINFO/erik: +self [03:09:52] anyone have ideas about why recentchanges feed would be spitting out multiples of old edits? recentchanges table has no dupes... [03:29:59] 03aaron * r24281 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files): *Tinker with CSS, give more message room, shrink amount of text, also, add a label to namespace selector. [03:44:10] Could anyone tell me how to add a preference option for users [03:47:18] hello? [03:47:42] hey, this is a question aimed at someone with knowledge of css [03:47:52] ... [03:48:42] how do you change the name of a wiki's tab labels? I've looked everywhere, and can't seem to find the answer. [03:49:19] try looking in the skins directory [03:49:29] JM76, find them on Special:Allmessages and change them inside the wiki. [03:49:39] qsheets, what do you mean "a preference option"? [03:49:44] is there a way to do it in the Monobook.css? [03:50:15] Because I just want to change it for a few users... [03:50:43] JM76, CSS doesn't normally change text. It's meant for styling, not content. [03:50:52] You can use JavaScript if you really like. [03:50:54] *qsheets is checking [03:51:29] Ok, I'll think I'll attempt it with Javascript. [03:52:23] I have one more question, if you could spare a second. Using css, is there a way to add a border around the wiki? [03:53:34] Simetrical: i mean like "Real Name" or "Nick" [03:53:53] Ah. [03:53:57] I'm not sure, offhand. [03:54:03] JM76, yes. [03:54:16] Try something like body { border: 2px dotted green; } or whatever you like. [03:54:27] Really, that's all? :O [03:54:38] Yes. [03:54:45] Oh, well thanks. [04:03:20] Simetrical: is there anyone here you know that could poss. help me? [04:03:41] Wait and maybe someone will turn up eventually. [04:04:03] I don't see Rob, and Brion is away [04:06:17] !seen brion_away [04:06:35] !seen brion [04:06:59] hmph [04:34:43] brion works office hours now. [04:34:50] He's also really busy during those office hours. [04:35:06] 03(NEW) Exclusion to robots.txt file for en.wikipedia.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10648 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (satyrtn) [05:34:58] hi mediawiki [05:35:33] I have what's probably a dumb question but I was wondering if there's any basic troubleshooting for getting php optimizers (in my case eAccelerator) [05:35:39] to work with mediawiki? [05:35:53] I checked phpinfo and I know I have it installed and enabled but [05:36:14] mediawiki isn't noticing it on install and I'm not sure what I might have done wrong or forgotten~ [05:39:08] 03(NEW) NUMBEROFARTICLES is broken? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10649 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (lugusto) [05:41:56] 03(mod) NUMBEROFARTICLES is broken? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10649 (10lugusto) [05:49:18] in the database scheme, all the columns have a tablename prefix, why? [05:49:41] it makes joins easier [05:51:48] robla: you mean if you write SQL by hand? You don't use and ORM or something? [05:52:19] there's a lot of handwritten sql in the code, yes [05:53:54] robla: I guess that ORMs don't produce good enough SQL at your scale [05:59:33] <[CC]Shadow> Hey [05:59:36] <[CC]Shadow> Erm [06:00:03] <[CC]Shadow> Can I Install MediaWiki and a Pastebin in one MySQL Database? [06:05:21] Simetrical|away: just so you know, I figured out how to do it the manual way...by editing both User.php and SpecialPreferences.php [06:05:40] <[CC]Shadow> Can I Install MediaWiki and a Pastebin in one MySQL Database?? [06:06:30] [CC]Shadow: you didn't need to repeat yourself... [06:07:01] <[CC]Shadow> I didnt get an answer. [06:07:14] the answer is yes, just make sure one of them has a prefix [06:07:27] i.e. wiki_ [06:07:31] <[CC]Shadow> k [06:07:34] <[CC]Shadow> thanks [06:07:37] yup [06:10:48] !version [06:11:09] Tillie: version [06:11:11] qsheets: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs. The newest version available online is 0.83.2. [06:13:15] hello all who had just left [06:15:53] *amidaniel blinks [06:22:12] *amidaniel gives freenode a swift kick [06:25:13] Is there any way to get interwiki links to display like they were standard external links? [06:26:45] kakos: not unless you use the external link format... [url title] [06:27:36] amidaniel: Did you notice that it is only that freenode server? [06:27:57] niven.freenode.net [06:28:18] I'm looking to install Wikimedia, but my host company currently refuses to use any newer version of PHP beyond version 4... Was there ever a version that I could install that uses PHP 4 and would it be acceptably secure to install and use this version until such time as my host updates the PHP version installed with cPanel? [06:30:50] qsheets: Yeah, it's usually only one that goes down [06:31:03] It's really fun when 3 or 4 of em go down at the same time :D [06:31:28] KMoth: I believe MediaWiki version 1.6.x still runs on PHP 4 [06:31:33] yeah [06:31:37] !php4 | KMoth [06:31:37] KMoth: Latest version for PHP4: 1.6.x. [06:31:53] lol [06:32:03] ... [06:32:11] !php3 | hamburger [06:32:16] KMoth: use 1.6.10 [06:32:24] I don't have the touch for the bot... :( [06:32:30] Heh, thanks. :D Will do. [06:32:40] no one uses php3 [06:32:50] !php5 | KMoth [06:32:53] Yeah, I know... I just wanted to see what the bot would say. [06:33:05] kakos: you want "interwiki links" to appear in the text, rather than over in the side-bar? try [[:gd:thingummy]] (note the extra colon) [06:33:16] *qsheets slaps self all run on php5 [06:34:28] NotACat: kakos wanted them to appear as external links w/o having to write the full url [06:34:39] NotACat: What I want is for interwiki links to have the little icon next to the link indicating that it is an external link [06:34:47] Niven sucks as a server and as a human being. [06:34:54] lol [06:35:31] Ohh .. poor niven :( [06:35:35] He does his best [06:35:53] could the server be g-lined for flooding the channels [06:35:55] He wrote Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex and he shall forever be a god because of it [06:36:01] beware of the spork? [06:36:35] Any chance Mediawiki will support sqlite? [06:37:13] 03amidaniel * r24282 10/USERINFO/amidaniel: Add self. [06:37:48] *amidaniel exists now :D [06:37:57] Necrogami: Hmm ... I do not believe so [06:38:03] Gah :( [06:38:15] At least I've never attempted it -- and it doesn't sound like it would :) [06:38:24] That will probably keep me from using it normally [06:38:30] on a day to day basis [06:38:31] :-\ [06:38:47] *qsheets only uses sqlite for supybot [06:39:02] All of my major databases have moved to sqlite [06:39:15] i'm developing an ajax/php/sqlite game [06:39:25] "And that past nastification is what shields you from the brains. You are the last hope of the universe." [06:39:36] *amidaniel giggles like a schoolgirl [06:39:44] O.o [06:39:49] Necrogami: Why the move to sqlite? [06:40:07] i dont have mysql installed on my production server [06:40:12] or postgre [06:40:29] Doesn't soundly like a very productive production server :) [06:40:43] *amidaniel wonders how anyone can run a server these days without sql [06:40:48] Dual Core Dual AMD Opteron running Lighttpd and PHP 5.2.3 [06:40:54] Ami .. sqlite is sql [06:41:23] touche .. though I believe you know what I meant :) [06:41:31] lol [06:41:40] Hi ALL [06:41:44] ahh the seasons of netsplit [06:41:48] lol [06:42:02] Without MySQL [06:42:07] idneed [06:42:09] indeed* [06:42:11] I would recommend either installing MySQL, or switching hosts. [06:42:21] i own/setup the server [06:42:32] *qsheets is beginning to think it is christmas by all the red and green he is seeing [06:42:42] Necrogami: What are you using the server for primarily? [06:42:55] And why the resistance to installing MySql? [06:43:01] it's to run a game running PHP/Sqlite [06:43:05] no resistance [06:43:16] i have a mysql dedicated box in the same rack [06:43:21] qsheets: get yourself irssi .. it hides all the netsplit nonsense in a very nice way :) [06:43:23] i have many apps using it [06:43:32] Necrogami: Oh, good :) [06:43:37] Then just run it off that db server [06:43:46] just i want something cleaner [06:43:59] i like how clean sqlite is .. so that's why i use it [06:43:59] amidaniel: i can do it w/ xchat i am just too lazy for 2 clicks [06:44:06] and it makes baking up database's easy [06:44:28] Hmm .. I never though backing up std mysql was all that hard [06:44:40] Copying 1 file vs messing w/ sql code? [06:45:00] i have no qualms w/ messing with sql [06:45:06] mysql -u root -p mydb < backup.sql [06:45:10] Wow, that's hard :D [06:45:17] just setting up a cron to copy and rename is easier [06:45:18] lol [06:45:31] not quite that simple [06:45:34] Oh, that reminds me .. I need to set up a cronjob for abqwatch [06:45:42] Necrogami: Well, for restoring it is :D [06:45:43] current Setup has 8500 Db files [06:46:06] each individual w/ tables and databases [06:46:23] I believe the cli will let you fetch all databases in single tarball [06:46:28] the 5.2 one at least [06:46:31] *amidaniel peaks [06:46:37] every user uses 2 db files the main sqlite db [06:46:45] and there personal sqlite db [06:46:48] which they can download [06:46:54] contains all of there character info [06:47:18] *qsheets needs a second monitor [06:47:25] lol i have 3 [06:47:32] and i use them all fully [06:47:35] hmm [06:47:35] *amidaniel has 1 at the moment :) [06:47:37] i have a 19" wide [06:47:42] On my laptop at least :) [06:47:46] i wonder how hard it would be to port mediawiki to sqlite? [06:48:10] i have 30" Center and 2 20.1 on 90Deg tilt [06:48:14] Necrogami: I honestly have no clue, but I bet it would be fairly difficult [06:48:27] I have really no knowledge with sqlite, though, so I can't say for sure [06:48:39] s/knowledge/experience [06:48:42] ... then i could run my devel server, main server, and desktop [06:48:45] My current version of mediawiki runs off my flash drive .. [06:49:18] *amidaniel notes that there are some big fucking flash drives available now, so that's not saying much :D [06:49:24] Necrogami: don't upload too many pics [06:49:33] 2gb flash drive .. lol [06:49:40] There we go :) [06:49:46] i have a pair of them [06:49:49] one w/ my game source [06:49:55] the other w/ documents and technical data [06:50:08] notepad++ on both and sqliteadmin [06:50:26] I don't use flash drives much anymore -- I've got my big usb drives, my internals, and my ftps -- that gets me buy :) [06:50:27] Necrogami: my images folder right now is ~900 MB [06:50:38] s/buy/by [06:50:40] *amidaniel cannot type [06:50:43] Does anyone know a MediaWiki extension for embedding the Weather Forecast in a web page? [06:50:53] My main desktop is 900gb storage and my server is almost 4tb [06:50:55] in a wiki page, rather. [06:50:57] good morning community [06:51:05] nickj: None specifically for that, but you could use html frames to do it [06:51:05] Mornin [06:51:11] Oh, heya Perthro [06:51:21] Sorry I haven't responded to you yet -- have had a busy day :) [06:51:31] no problem, i tot [06:51:34] *too [06:51:47] *amidaniel has been installing harddrives and *gasp* windows xp all day >:() [06:51:49] Necrogami: FYI I'm only in High School [06:51:52] lol [06:51:57] cool [06:52:05] whst is gasp? [06:52:05] amidaniel: any ideas what would go in the frame? Google's weather widget has all sorts of branding crap on it. [06:52:09] I host my own server [06:52:14] Cool [06:52:18] 320 GB [06:52:25] my primary domain is hosted off one of my old boxes [06:52:26] 2.5 GB RAM [06:52:32] i repair computer =) [06:52:40] I own a hosting company .. heh [06:52:49] nickj: I believe Google has some site that will let you render their lil widgets [06:52:50] i'm only 22 btw [06:52:54] You could load that up [06:53:18] *qsheets counts up harddrives in his room [06:53:22] *amidaniel wouldn't mind owning a hosting company -- at least he'd get to work with tolerable operating systems :) [06:53:32] It's easy to start [06:53:36] Build a 1U server [06:53:37] amidaniel: yeah, okay, will look, gmodules or gwidgets or something rings a bell. Cool, thanks. :-) [06:53:40] and host it and sell the hosting [06:53:55] nickj: Indeed .. I can't remember its exact name [06:53:57] daniel? did you understand my problem in the email that i had written? my english is stupid ;D [06:54:14] <_mary_kate_> who'd want to spend all day working with the sorts of people who buy web hosting? :) (+ your server getting haxed every other week because someone installed phpbb) [06:54:16] but my german is perfect ^^ [06:54:21] 1U server ~$800 Hosting software Install Http://vchs.hostinghacks.com/ and Cheap Co-Location: http://www.colopronto.com [06:54:40] *qsheets HDDs add up to just under 1 TB [06:54:44] Perthro: Wir können gerne mal deutsch reden :D [06:54:47] _mary_ that's why i run Linux V server [06:54:48] ;) [06:55:00] scheisse...ich qule mir einen ab ...^^ [06:55:09] und du sprichst deutsch [06:55:24] moo? [06:55:28] no hablo aleman [06:55:35] sry [06:55:50] Perthro: Jo :) Also ich könnt einmal ziemlich gut deutsch -- in letzter zeit ist das ja nicht mehr der fall [06:56:02] lass ma innen priv channel wenns geht [06:56:17] *qsheets solo habla ingles y espanol [06:56:27] ami .. at least your not installing windows ME or the new Windows ME .. aka vista [06:56:32] *qsheets only speaks english and spanish [06:56:39] Necrogami: Haha .. indeed :D [06:57:02] *amidaniel wonders if Necrogami is looking to hire a sysadmin .. could use some *paying* work for once :D [06:57:09] lol [06:57:13] nope .. [06:57:18] i already have 2 [06:57:24] shucks .. never hurts to ask though :) [06:57:29] yeah i know [06:57:38] i was there once before i started hosting myself [06:57:46] Necrogami: It's pretty hard to compete with the likes of Dreamhost - for US$8 a month (if you prepay for 2 years) you get very cheap hosting. It's not that reliable though. But they have economies of scale on their side. But if you _did_ want to run phpbb, you'd do it on their servers, not on your own :-) [06:58:12] that's true [06:58:19] but look at the market share of hosting online [06:58:23] Perthro: I'm sure there is a channel for german [06:58:28] 60~% is on small hosts [06:58:30] not the large ones [06:58:36] or dedicated personal hosting [06:58:48] *amidaniel notes that this channel is slated as multilingual :) [06:59:19] DAMN... [06:59:23] there isn't [06:59:31] Gotta Love Home connection of 24Mbit Download and 1.5Mbit upload ;) [06:59:45] ...but w/ Ubuntu, there is [06:59:59] Well, the draw to small hosting is the availability of support [07:00:06] indeed [07:00:11] With the larger companies you don't get that, but you get cheap ass hosting [07:00:18] siehste was ich schreibe? [07:00:23] Yeah.. [07:00:30] I'm running 18 Servers at the moment [07:00:34] *amidaniel notes that he's only shelling out about $300 /yr for a vps :) [07:00:35] Oo 18? [07:00:44] i have problems to run 1 ^^ [07:00:48] lol [07:00:53] TRANSLATE <- **Click** [07:00:55] Perthro: Nee .. eigentlich nicht :) Hast du dich bei Nickserv gemeldet? [07:01:15] nee [07:01:20] 2x Dual Core Dual AMD Opteron's ... and 4 Dual Core 8 Proc Opteron High Need Boxes [07:01:27] The rest are single Core Dual Opteron [07:01:32] Perhro: Dann mach das :) /msg nickserv register [07:01:33] Necrogami: stop boasting [07:01:39] sry [07:02:15] want something to do? [07:02:19] sure [07:02:21] lo [07:02:56] here...take some of my files and make a patch file... cause i'm too lazy [07:03:04] 03(mod) New-messages bar not coming up and/ or getting stuck up for IP addresses - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 (10N/A) [07:03:32] lol [07:03:41] WTF [07:04:50] *g* [07:05:17] here..take my wiki and make it running =) [07:05:35] O.o [07:05:58] lol [07:06:21] Perthro: its "make it run" [07:06:28] s/its/it's [07:07:33] *qsheets has iPod on Shuffle [07:09:24] *qsheets thinks it funny that when he leans back off his stool far enough his body begins to shake [07:09:25] sry =) [07:09:47] Perthro .. what you need a place to host your wiki? [07:09:58] 20 dolla [07:10:14] ;) lol [07:12:02] *g* 20 dolla in a year? ^^ [07:13:26] yeah...right [07:14:04] i must ask my chief =) [07:14:17] *qsheets doesn't even have real domain names [07:14:21] do u like me chief? =) [07:14:21] but i think he says NO and kick my as hehe [07:14:33] *qsheets uses dns [07:14:58] Staticly ip? [07:15:03] or does your ip rotate? [07:15:06] i.e. example.gotdns.com [07:15:12] Static [07:15:22] ...for now [07:15:25] need a domain that's alittle cleaner? [07:15:36] i could forward a sub from one of my domains.. [07:15:38] <_wooz> lo [07:15:45] no... [07:15:51] lo [07:16:14] me also has one cool one...under the same service... [07:16:24] usfirst.kicks-ass.org [07:16:47] i wanted to buy reallyf$%#ed.us .... [07:16:50] lol [07:17:01] doesn't link right... but w/e [07:17:14] lol [07:17:52] usfirst is an int. robotics organization that i'm involved in [07:18:05] s/usfirst/FIRST [07:18:20] http://www.usfirst.org [07:19:08] *amidaniel had a professor who was obsessed with buying up clever domains [07:19:11] like putable.com [07:19:27] lol [07:19:38] nice [07:20:46] Anyone here use opendns? [07:21:07] nope [07:21:25] *qsheets could though [07:30:06] hello [07:30:34] Hello, my name is qsheets, and i'm an addict [07:30:40] lol [07:30:42] ;) [07:31:17] Hello ... My name is Necrogami .. i'm addicted to Online Gaming and the internet [07:31:25] welcome to the self-heal-group [07:31:34] lol [07:31:34] ^^ [07:31:52] <(^^,)> [07:32:19] I love these weather applets that tell me that the 90210 ZIP code is in San Fran, when from bad Teen Angst soaps, I know it's Beverly Hills in LA... [07:32:48] lol [07:33:13] nickj: check google [07:33:24] http://maps.google.com/ [07:33:27] beverly hills 90210 ? [07:33:38] http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=90210&ie=UTF8&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1 [07:33:46] lol stupid soap =) [07:34:37] Lmfao [07:34:45] you can type Hollywood sign into google maps [07:35:52] well alas i'm going to get some sleep [07:35:53] later all [07:36:11] c ya [07:41:23] bye [07:47:40] can the namespaces be nested? like Media:Images:Cars ? [07:59:49] YGingras: NO [08:00:03] Media is Images [08:00:25] s/Images/Image [08:16:17] hi there.... how do i change the "Main Page" text? [08:16:25] on the Main page at the top? [08:19:49] edit? [08:20:20] hold [08:20:28] Somebody give me some more clever ways to get by read access restrictions [08:20:39] I've got diffs, history, transclusion, Special:Export covered [08:20:47] And Special:Search [08:21:12] *qsheets edited the user prefs page [08:21:34] for both 1.6.10 and 1.10.0 [08:21:35] stefan: the "Main Pag"e.... right on top of the Main page... [08:21:46] i don't think edit edits that [08:22:07] Foxini: You need to use some js trickery to hide/change that [08:22:19] Unless you're using 1.11a+ where you can use {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} [08:23:28] i'm using latest [08:24:56] how do i get the custom title in then? [08:25:05] hh i understand [08:25:19] sry i dont know [08:26:27] if my extension creates new fields and tables in the database, is there any customary place to place that code? [08:27:26] Foxinni: body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display: none; } should do it [08:28:05] DFRussia: We actually just made some recent changes to updaters to handle extension sql scripts --- lemme look to see what we did [08:28:25] DFRussia: Generally, though, you just want to add a install.sql (or, better, install.php) to your extension dir [08:28:42] ok [08:29:10] amidaniel: do i paste that in the top of my main page edit? [08:29:41] or... the CSS? [08:30:14] Foxinni: In MediaWiki:Common.css [08:30:39] ok... thanks.... [08:30:48] and to change it? is there a easy way? [08:35:26] Foxinni: Easiest is probably just to move your Main Page to whereever you want it [08:35:32] And then update MediaWiki:Mainpage [08:38:19] 03amidaniel * r24283 10/trunk/extensions/PrivateNamespaces/ (. PrivateNamespaces.php): Add really simple extension for restricting read/write access by namespace, an oft-requested utility. Works with 1.9.0+, possibly with older too. [08:39:14] StefanGER: Tschuldigung -- ich bin abgelenkt worden -- da ist aber das code was du brauchst [08:39:22] ich schick gleich mal ein kurzes email [08:41:16] danke [08:42:54] amidaniel: MediaWiki API as a way to get past read restrictions, maybe? [08:43:57] nickj: Hmm .. BotQuery maybe -- API does a pretty good job of checking though [08:53:57] Perthro: Geemailed >D [08:54:13] *amidaniel is very very tired again [08:55:03] hab ich gerade bekommen [08:55:14] ich danke dir ich probiere das aus und melde mich dann wieder bei dir [08:55:32] Jo, sag mal bescheit soll's nicht klappen [08:55:44] Hab schon einen typo gemerkt :) [08:56:00] *g* mist ...is das prog freeware? [08:56:18] StefanGER: Doch, natuerlich [08:56:58] * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify [08:57:00] :) [08:57:37] *amidaniel muss jetzt schlafen gehen .. hab jetzt 3 :) [08:57:53] danke fr deine hilfe..schlaf gut [08:58:02] kein problem .. danke :) [08:58:08] bis dann [08:59:03] Whats the default wiki skin? [09:00:15] monobook [09:00:41] then what is common? [09:01:37] nevermind... dumb question... [09:02:07] New question... whats is the easyiest way to lock you wiki... [09:02:16] your* [09:04:53] ? [09:08:41] Add require_once("$IP/extensions/PrivateNamespaces/PrivateNamespaces.php"); [09:08:41] * to your LocalSetings.php. [09:08:57] does it means to copy the code in localsettings? [09:09:17] that i have the code and add the new code on the bottom? [09:13:06] does the logo have to be that height? [09:14:03] ? [09:27:24] hello [09:27:30] jo [09:27:40] i have a little question [09:27:59] i didn't found a response on that in the doc [09:28:19] is it possible to dumpHTML [09:28:22] a private wiki [09:28:33] with authentication ? [09:29:05] not sure... [09:29:18] i don;'t think io can help you... [09:29:25] where is the rest of the channel? [09:35:37] foureu: what is your question? [09:37:33] heu [09:37:44] i want to make a wiki on cd [09:37:46] what lang? [09:38:07] wait...what? [09:38:12] we had a private mediawiki installed (authentication required for reading and editing) [09:38:20] hi guys, are you known with FCKeditor? [09:38:37] EK_123: never tried it [09:39:08] qsheets: my question is how to export my wiki to HTML ? [09:39:11] I have it know, works great. But I was wondering if it is possible to use it for a partial of the page [09:39:37] __USE_EDITOR__ is for the whole page [09:40:42] foureu: one sec [09:41:03] ok [09:42:38] foureu: you can't do it _en masse_ with mediawiki [09:43:12] you'd have to do it page-by-page [09:43:40] *qsheets wouldn't recommend it [09:44:33] there no solution to authorize 127.0.0.1 to read all ? [09:45:05] chmod 755 [09:45:13] or to pass a cookie ti php bin [09:45:43] no it's not a filsystem problem [09:45:47] i'm root [09:46:57] hi, in MySQL, there is no array datatype, right? [09:46:58] foureu: when you are on the internet, it doesn't matter who you are logged in as [09:47:09] if you want to store something array-like, you have to implode it? [09:48:13] DFRussia, use a row not a field for an array [09:48:29] what do you mean? [09:49:18] if for instance I want to take the MediaWiki "user" table [09:49:30] and want to add an array of groups that each user belongs to [09:49:52] I can't see a way to create a row there..... since each user is already a row [09:49:56] foureu: make sure all website files properties say "Access Files" or "Read-Only" under "Others" [09:50:08] for their permissions [09:50:17] unless I create a column for each group the user belongs to... but that seems pointless [09:50:31] qsheets: the user have no problem to acces pages [09:50:45] they ca read edit pages all the time [09:50:54] does my issue sort of make sense, archivist? [09:50:59] but i want to export the wiki [09:51:01] or is there a way to use row still? [09:51:14] i tried dumpHTML.php [09:51:44] but i'd set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; [09:51:55] DFRussia, add a table user,group [09:52:07] foureu: the website is a nice big database [09:52:33] yes [09:52:39] ok [09:52:55] so if you were to export it, it would be a few MB sql file [09:53:01] and then I would have to add new columns everytime the array gets bigger, no? [09:53:04] but we have some user who moves (laptop) [09:53:18] and they want to access an offline copy of the website [09:53:26] since a user can belong to no group, one group or an arbitrary number of groups [09:53:39] foureu: no such luck [09:53:57] we doesn't want to use an apache mysql installed on each laptop [09:55:16] oh wait [09:55:19] but its work for wikipedia [09:55:22] http://static.wikipedia.org/ [09:55:56] archivist, in this new table, would user show up many times with a single entry for each group he is in? [09:56:09] like: [09:56:18] username | group1 [09:56:22] username | group2 [09:56:24] etc [09:56:53] user_id [09:57:34] http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/UL/Archivist.html [09:57:37] *VoiceOfAll giggles [09:58:20] and that will be faster/more efficient than imploding and exploding fields to become arrays? [09:58:36] foureu: read up... [09:58:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download [09:59:34] VoiceOfAll, I have the beard and but aint bald yet!! [10:03:51] foureu: eventually (if you look at the context) you'd get to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export like i did [10:06:20] does he stay? [10:17:51] if i am admin by mediawiki how i create an account for another user and can give him specialy rights? [10:19:11] only create an account and give him a user-namespace? [10:21:58] does anyone know a good extension that creates new tables in the database? [10:22:07] (I want a good style example to follow) [10:28:34] hi people .. how to extract HTML from the XML dump file( page-article file ) .. :) [10:28:46] hector, you need to render ir [10:28:50] *render it [10:30:42] Platonides - should i use IIS or apache server to render or an regular PC would do ?? [10:52:29] 03(mod) Last-modified date at bottom of page sometimes one revision outdated ( but page up-to-date) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10646 (10orangevolker) [10:53:12] hmm, whenever I use "$dbw =& wfGetDB( DB_MASTER );" I get an error saying the function is undefined.... why? [10:55:23] weird.... [10:55:26] now it works [10:55:34] when it is inside a class it works... [11:03:58] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IRC_Chat >> will this be available in Wikipedia soon O_O [11:06:30] nvm ;) [11:11:35] hmm, why can't I use the database object created by wfGetDB() to create new tables? [11:12:36] Hey Cometstyles that's my extension... lol [11:12:52] O_O [11:12:57] really O_O [11:13:17] yeah [11:13:27] cool :DD [11:14:51] *qsheets is figuring out how to have it automatically add a new field to the user table in the db [11:15:30] *Cometstyles knows nothing about php's etc ;) [11:19:40] qsheets, I am trying to figure out a very simlar thing, tell me if you make any progress [11:21:08] using $dbw->query($sql); where $sql has a CREATE operation and $dbw was created by wfGetDB( DB_MASTER ) does not seem to work [11:34:28] 03kim * r24284 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (3 files): [11:34:30] Pushing out some minor changes still on my machine so svn is up to date [11:34:32] Will be working on save and attributes some more, so expect occaisional minor breakage this coming week [11:37:49] ah! [11:37:58] the wikiuser is not allowed to create tables [11:38:02] damn it [11:38:09] that took far too long to figure out [11:41:52] lol [11:45:57] then how do extensions that need new tables create them? [11:50:03] hi there. can i set a MAGICWORD like __NOEDITSECTION__ global for all wiki pages? [11:50:57] Alias [11:50:59] You can set an alias in .htaccess, so that the server will invisibly replace "wiki" with "w/index.php". [11:50:59] 1. Edit or create .htaccess in public_html with the following content. 'wiki' is what users will see; 'w/index.php' is what it will load. [11:50:59] Alias wiki w/index.php [11:50:59] 2. Add or edit the following setting in LocalSettings.php. This causes the HTML generated by MediaWiki to refer to "/wiki/Articlename" instead of the default. [11:51:00] $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1"; [11:51:02] Alias is not allowed in .htaccess files, at least on Apache 2.0, or did I miss something? See the Alias Directive documentation. [11:51:22] This is a manul to make a short url [11:51:41] does anyone has any idea where is the public_html folder? [11:58:47] Does anyone know how to effectively create new tables for MediaWiki extensions? [12:01:19] in wiki syntax [12:01:44] i want Programming to appear but be a link to 6500 Programming [12:01:46] how do i do that? [12:02:40] dmaresca: basic internal link syntax is [[6500 Programming|Programming]] [12:03:14] perfect [12:03:16] thanks dude [12:03:53] i use cc by-nc-sa/2.5/ license on my wiki, when somebody clicks the link in my wiki footer there is the comment "A new version of this license is available. You should use it for new works, and you may want to relicense existing works under it. No works are automatically put under the new license, however." which links to by-nc-sa/3.0/ . Should i/would you change $wgRightsUrl ,$wgRightsPage $wgRightsText and $wgRightsIcon all to 3.0 ? [12:20:08] can I use the offset parameter described here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_Special:Export with dumbBackup.php? [12:29:47] DFRussia: when you get a good source please let me know :) [12:30:09] a good source for creating tables? [12:30:15] there is no way as far as I can tell [12:30:28] you have to write your own table creation script [12:30:39] which the user has to run upon extension install [12:30:52] if you want to just create rows/columns... that is much easier [12:33:50] <_DannyB|backup> can somebody point me to description how images are stored? [12:35:00] DFRussia: here's what i get http://usf.gotdns.com/irctest/ [12:35:33] _DannyB|backup: you mean sorting? [12:36:02] that is just an SQL error qsheets [12:36:16] make sure you are not missing a comma at the end of an item or some such [12:36:21] no it's a php error [12:37:12] "Error: 1064 You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ''user' ADD 'user_irc_nick' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL AFTER 'user_real_name'' at line 1 (localhost)" [12:37:33] read bottom [12:37:42] list of PHP files [12:37:56] <_DannyB|backup> let's put it other way: the written info about image is in page table using proper namespace, where are other data stored and where is the image itself stored? [12:38:02] top is just an echo [12:39:43] well, I don't know what the issue is with that then [12:40:00] to me though, seams like a SQL error that just screwed up a bunch of php functions :P [12:40:03] but I might be way off [12:40:35] _DannyB|backup: all images are in the images directory obviously, then sorted randomly through the sub directories [12:40:37] the only major error I got from my attempts over the past hour or so was the whole creation error [12:40:47] oh, lol [12:41:10] and that error I realize can not be resolved so you need to create your own db creating script [12:41:41] db creating or table creating? [12:43:16] table creating [12:43:24] my bad [12:44:04] it is just because the wikiuser (the account that is created on MySQL for the MediaWiki) is not given CREATE privelages by default [12:44:05] *qsheets found some tutorials for script, but not for interfacing w/ mediawiki [12:44:25] http://www.tizag.com/sqlTutorial/sqlcreate.php [12:44:27] well.. I figured out the sql script part [12:44:31] already [12:44:34] oh [12:44:45] it is just a shame that it can't be done from inside MediaWiki [12:45:04] http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/create-table.html <<< my reference [12:45:15] _DannyB|backup: there's a nice abstraction layer for image storage now (at least for physical storage - not entirely sure if it also abstracts the db entry). Ask TimStarling for details. [12:45:22] wikiuser on my server was given every priv. short of granting other users admin [12:46:34] was he? [12:46:37] by default? [12:46:56] no... [12:47:40] i did it when i tranfered database from crappy M$ windows [12:48:06] ya [12:48:12] mine has: SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE [12:48:15] and that is it [12:48:19] I can add CREATE [12:48:30] but I am trying to write an extension that can be used by other people [12:48:54] so I am gona follow the manual sql script idea for now [12:49:25] later I might change it to temporarily granting CREATE privelage, then running a php create script from inside mediawiki and then revoking create privelages [12:50:16] DFRussia: allowing access to database management commands from inside mediawiki (i.e. the wild web) is quite dangerous. [12:50:32] exactly [12:50:38] DFRussia: this is also the reason there'S no online configuration interface, or online installation procedure for extension [12:50:43] that is why I am staying away from it for now [12:50:58] <_DannyB|backup> qsheets: i probably describe my needs not very descriptive. how about this way: if i want to get all info about image (or any other file) i will gather it from page table (like license tags) and from where? (stuff such as exif etc.) [12:51:03] i started to write an extension installer once, but it didn't quite take off. we'd need a strict convention for installation scripts, etc [12:51:30] well, I am only writing the database creation script [12:51:37] which they will have to launch manually [12:51:38] _DannyB|backup: image table. but if you are using mediawiki code, simply create an Image object. [12:51:44] from inside their mysql command prompt [12:51:52] _DannyB|backup: use abstraction where it is available - that will safe you headaches later on. [12:52:17] DFRussia: sounds good. remember to make a README or INSTALL file though :) [12:52:30] and output a descriptive error if the table is missing, perhaps. [12:52:40] <_DannyB|backup> hmm, and they match via page.page_title & image.image_name, right? [12:52:50] _DannyB|backup: yes. [12:52:51] <_DannyB|backup> looks good [12:52:56] <_DannyB|backup> thanks [12:53:19] thanks Duesentrieb [12:53:31] _DannyB|backup: what are you trying to do? [12:54:39] <_DannyB|backup> just playing with database - trying to gather different type of datas, nothing special. want to get more experienced with mw database ;-) [12:55:16] have fun then :) [12:58:57] O_O [12:59:45] 03(mod) PL.wiktionary NamespacesToBeSearchedDefault - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10645 +comment (10joystick.pl) [13:01:13] bbl [13:20:32] hey people i have downloaded the page-article section of enwiki for republishing ... should i use IIS or apache server to render or an regular PC would do? [13:28:15] how can i make a cell in a table in a wiki page be top aligned (perhaps using CSS and "vertical-align: top")? [13:28:40] hector: to render it, you don't need either. just php. there's a to-html script in the maintenance dir. generally, apache is the preferred server, but mediawiki also runs with iis. [13:29:07] hector: when republishing, please read the GFDL closely first. and wikipedia's mirror guidelines. [13:29:38] tlhiv_laptop: | style="vertical-align:top" | some text [13:30:11] ok ... let me try [13:31:01] that worked ... thanx alot [13:32:58] Duesentrieb: and for another cell ... do i put that immediately after a || [13:36:01] tlhiv_laptop: || style="vertical-align:top" | some text [13:36:15] tlhiv_laptop: or use the long styl, putting the next cell on a new line, starting with a single | [13:36:33] ok ... let me try [13:37:40] ok ... one final question (sorry) ... i'd like to style an image [13:37:50] border, padding, margin, background color, etc. [13:40:08] brion-office: you there? [13:42:21] oy [13:42:40] 03brion * r24285 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/changeuser.sql): * Removed obsolete maintenance/changeuser.sql script; use RenameUser extension [13:42:41] could you help me with my extension? [13:43:09] maybe [13:43:13] sql wont work [13:43:15] http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71091 [13:43:56] urk [13:44:24] well your first problem is that it looks like you're trying to add a column to the user table every time mediawiki is invoked [13:44:41] the second problem is that you'd be doing so with the regular mysql user account which may not have permission to do that [13:45:09] a third problem is that you've manually written sql but aren't taking into account table prefixes which may be present [13:45:25] a fourth problem might be a bug in your sql though i haven't checked it [13:45:49] a fifth problem is that you're calling wfQuery() which is so obsolete we removed it a few versions ago [13:46:10] there might be other issues :) [13:46:33] second and third do not apply [13:47:08] first... wouldn't add column to start w/ [13:48:11] so... should i just have the installers do it them seles? [13:48:27] s/seles/selves [13:50:00] brion-office: wfQuery() still works (I am using MediaWiki 1.10.1) [13:51:18] brion-office: my bad [13:51:28] brion-office: I was meaning something else [13:54:19] hi [13:55:59] hi german dude [13:56:20] hehe [13:57:11] sigh [13:57:34] can anyone help me with the logo of the newest versions [13:57:44] version*, something is going wrong [13:58:13] in 20 minute i have end of work and im glad for my coold beer [13:58:29] anyone [13:58:31] :S? [13:58:34] Agility: description [13:59:07] i try to change the logo in the top left screen, problem is that i aint find it in LocalSettings.php [13:59:28] need to say i really searched good [13:59:55] $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/common/images/wiki.png"; [14:00:09] well let me search again [14:00:15] but i doubt it that i didnt saw it [14:00:57] Agility: it's probably just listed in includes/DefaultSettings.php [14:01:27] yep [14:01:28] put that in your local settings to override the default setting [14:01:35] changed that but somehow i still see the default logo [14:01:47] copy the defaultsettings.php? [14:01:51] no [14:02:04] never change the defaultsettings =) [14:02:14] >>> quote: amidaniel ^^ [14:02:15] owh, well thats lesson 1. for me :P [14:02:15] change the path to your image [14:02:34] in defaultsettings.php it says i never need to edit it [14:02:38] with that i still tried it [14:02:51] and the default logo is still coming back [14:03:16] *qsheets smack forehead [14:03:22] 14(INVALID) NUMBEROFARTICLES is broken? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10649 +comment (10brion) [14:03:48] do you try to copy the picture into the image-folder? [14:03:52] does it works? [14:04:08] hmm [14:04:13] owh 2 sec the door bell [14:04:35] because then i have to upload,right? im not shure [14:04:42] *it [14:05:41] back [14:05:50] $wgLogo = false; /// defaults to "{$wgStylePath}/common/images/thetownstons.jpg" [14:05:52] wb [14:06:01] thats the line of defaultsettings.php [14:06:05] i changed it [14:06:12] at that path the image is also [14:06:24] nothing happends.. is it something with the false? [14:06:55] puh [14:07:13] puh = yes :P? [14:07:58] wait.. [14:08:07] owh [14:08:13] maybe i need to overwrite it by [14:08:14] puh = sound effect equivalent of sigh [14:08:14] $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/common/images/wiki.png"; [14:08:14] ? [14:08:37] the wiki-logi i found in skins/common/images/wiki.png [14:08:50] that goes in your LocalSettings.php [14:08:57] rename your image and insert it [14:09:16] thats not recommed, still i tried it already [14:09:35] nothing [14:09:38] Agility: it is recommended as the easyiest way [14:09:44] then i get invisible [14:10:17] Caution: It is possible to simply overwrite the default logo installed with MediaWiki, but this is strongly advised against, as an upgrade may end up overwriting it or change the default location of this file. [14:10:31] ahh ok [14:10:37] i aint care i normally aint update things [14:10:54] i tried but then it gets invisible [14:11:06] oi [14:11:12] $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/common/images/wiki.png"; [14:11:21] do i need to paste that in localsettings.php? [14:11:29] Stop repeating my name plz [14:11:35] i think so [14:11:37] and yes [14:11:37] owh sorry [14:11:44] where or that aint care? [14:12:06] bah sunlight! [14:12:19] lol hi necro [14:12:24] o/ [14:12:32] i wish i could see sunlight [14:12:36] Agility: put it right under $wgStyleDirectory [14:12:38] rains here for over 2 weeks while its summer [14:12:47] ok ill try [14:13:06] *Perthro away [14:13:32] Here? [14:13:39] lol [14:13:54] Netherlands .. interesting [14:14:31] there isnt a line in my localsettings.php thats called $wgStyleDirectory [14:14:57] i am beginning to think i did something wrong which has affected my localsettings.. [14:16:14] then put it under $wgStylePath [14:16:30] 03(WONTFIX) Statistics not updated for some days - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2987 +comment (10brion) [14:16:56] and if that isn't there, under $wgArticlePath [14:17:03] negative, no $wgStylePath [14:17:05] hmm [14:17:06] lemme see [14:17:51] neither a $wgArticlePath [14:17:58] lol wtf [14:18:08] OKAY [14:18:14] shall ir emove the important info and make a txt so you can see it? [14:18:28] JUST PLACE IT UNDER $wgSitename [14:19:05] and if that isn't there you a SCREWED [14:19:13] s/a/are [14:19:53] cool im screwed =/ [14:20:12] well it aint work, it is there but it aint works [14:21:23] Agility: check permissions on the image [14:21:39] owh [14:21:39] yes ok [14:22:25] make sure the file is read-only to everyone [14:22:43] ...that way they can see it [14:22:56] read mode to everyone and write mode to owner [14:23:02] that write mode to owner needs to be gone? [14:23:48] *Perthro is back [14:24:11] *Perthro has finished his work ..bye people [14:24:21] bb [14:24:46] Holy crap Random off topic .. Wicked Mouse http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showpost.php?p=75999&postcount=116 [14:29:20] *qsheets takes a few ibuprofen [14:36:53] later all [14:37:21] bb [14:37:48] hello there [14:37:54] h [14:37:55] i [14:38:18] i've a question about the versions [14:38:47] i do not se a change log or something like this on the mediawiki page [14:39:02] well im new too but whats it? [14:39:04] how you mean? [14:39:21] i wanted to know the difference from the version 1.7 to 1.10 [14:39:30] cant help you [14:39:35] i just run 1.10.1 [14:39:55] the reasen is this [14:40:09] 03(FIXED) TYPE= will generate fatal error in MySQL 5.2 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6085 +comment (10brion) [14:40:29] i'va a debian web server and i can get the 1.7 by apt-get [14:41:02] 14(WFM) data dump has CRC error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6172 +comment (10brion) [14:41:04] but if the 1.10 has some important adavantages i would rather get 1.10 [14:41:23] 14(DUP) Last-modified date at bottom of page sometimes one revision outdated ( but page up-to-date) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10646 +comment (10brion) [14:41:25] 03(mod) Last modified display date not the last one - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 +comment (10brion) [14:57:02] aha [14:57:04] ahahhaa [14:57:07] lol [14:57:50] i know the prob now qsheets [14:58:02] good... [14:58:05] Is there a single resource which describes how to use mediaWiki to create / generate content? [14:58:19] $wgLogo = "/Picture.JPG"; [14:58:21] done [14:58:22] ^^ [14:58:50] also with respect to SemanticMediaWiki extension [14:59:17] cyberoach: regular = http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing [15:00:58] so I edited specialpreferences.php to add some fields to the preferences page... where is the code that processes that stuff? [15:01:02] on the submit [15:05:09] qsheets: i had find a solution : a second wiki with the same database/immages but a different LocalSettings.php protected by an htaccess (deny from all) [15:08:04] 03(mod) NUMBEROFARTICLES is broken? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10649 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [15:10:50] 14(INVALID) Article repository tab - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 +comment (10robchur) [15:14:00] qsheets: tx [15:14:34] yup [15:14:50] Hmm, fieldsets have a thicker left border in Opera...? [15:15:22] 03brion * r24286 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Hooks.php: pretty up the hook error message with an explanation of what it should do instead [15:25:09] brion-office: Any further thoughts on the minimum trust import thing? And do you have a couple minutes to tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree with a new design for Special:Export? [15:26:01] robchurch, there is a problem in MW, that I cannot solve (create a patch for) [15:26:12] Before posting a bug for it, I would like to have your comments [15:26:14] May I? [15:26:20] Uh, sure. [15:26:35] well i'm still leery about importing multiple revs with the same timestamp, it's a huge pain in the butt to deal with later [15:27:02] The categories list the pages in them, in an alphabetical order. This order is correct in Arabic and English (and some others I could check) languages [15:27:06] But not in Persian (Fa) [15:27:17] So, what about what I proposed yesterday - we bung them all together and slap one single revision in, current timestamp and user? [15:27:45] could be done [15:27:50] The current order in Fa is "Arabic, then the four letters which are in Fa but not Ar" which is not the same as the order in the Fa alphabet, officially [15:28:14] hojjat: that's a general issue with sorting and mysql [15:28:22] What is the best idea in making a request for a fix for it? Providing the order of letters in Fa? [15:28:35] brion-office.. should I take that as a "no go"? [15:28:52] Take it as a LATER - we'd like to fix it, but not feasible at the moment. [15:30:12] How can I import images with 1.6.10 version? [15:30:19] hojjat, there's an ancient request for it. [15:30:26] Look for "collation" or something. [15:30:44] Simterical, I tried to find a bug for that but failed.. thank you :) [15:30:56] robchurch, isn't the thing to do just to generate cl_sortkey differently for different languages? I.e., don't default to the actual page name, in general? [15:30:57] May be I should request that on MySQL's bugzilla :p [15:31:03] *Evgen2 have attempt to migrate wrom wikimedia 1.6.10 to 1.10.1 and changes codepages from latin1 to unicode [15:31:17] *Evgen2 atricle's titles again bekome like бНОПНЯ [15:31:22] brion-office: Second thing; compare http://www.anubite.co.uk/export-teaser-all.png and http://www.anubite.co.uk/export-teaser-specified.png, which are the new interface. The option is only checked for "all", so as to keep backwards-compatibility. "All" may be disabled explicitly, or if the page limit is greater than current page count. "Specified" is always the default. [15:31:22] hojjat, http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164 [15:31:33] Yes I got it! [15:31:47] "Current revision" is forced if site configuration demands it. [15:31:52] 03(mod) Math rendering with TeX on postgres requires use of pg_escape_bytea() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9909 +comment (10mf+mediawiki) [15:32:06] How can I import images with 1.6.10 version? [15:32:11] Something else, does any one know who runs "wikibugs"? [15:32:24] Wikimedia does. [15:32:41] Jandalo: If the script isn't there, try running rebuildImages.php, which might be. It works a bit differently. [15:33:17] robchurch, people on #wikimedia-toolserver are eager to have it also report the bugs in their bugzilla in their IRC channel. [15:33:24] I need to know who to ask :) [15:33:39] wikibugs is in SVN, tell them to copy it and modify it for their environment [15:34:00] I would imagine River would have no trouble setting it up for hemlock [15:34:22] robchurch, which SVN (am I sounding like a dummy?!) [15:34:29] The Wikimedia one. [15:34:30] *our Subversion* [15:34:35] robchurch, thank you, I'm going to try [15:34:36] http://svn.wikimedia.org/ [15:37:54] *robchurch needs to set up a test wiki on the wider interweb again [15:38:21] Having read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning, I copied skins/monobook and skins/MonoBook*.php to skins/myskin and skins/MySkin.php respectively; I altered the references in MySkin.php [15:38:50] but the background images of my (unalterted monobook) skin don't show [15:39:25] I checked with firebug. nothing is not being found [15:40:25] mark: Your little exchange with GerardM on the mailing lists is making me smirk. ;) [15:40:36] hehe [15:40:47] I decided not to answer because my answer would lead to a discussion that we don't want to have ;) [15:41:33] Ah, well. [15:45:14] <_DannyB|backup> MartinCleaver: got link? [15:48:06] sure. [15:48:25] http://wiki.wikiconsulting.com/index.php/Main_Page [15:49:44] <_DannyB|backup> can't find the server [15:49:52] <_DannyB|backup> is it publicly accessible? [15:50:05] oh [15:50:10] yes [15:50:14] but dns [15:50:16] one sec [15:50:39] can you hit http://blogs.wikiconsulting.com ? [15:51:02] <_DannyB|backup> yep [15:51:41] ok. It's the same IP. I had thought it was a dns propagation delay so I hardcoded it in the interim [15:51:57] but that doesn't necessarily help you help me! [15:52:17] I'm glad you reminded me before I announced it! [15:53:37] *MartinCleaver supposes he better sort out the DNS [15:56:08] thanks anyhow _DannyB|backup [16:06:18] 03(mod) Last modified display date not the last one - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [16:08:01] are user pages searched by default? [16:08:30] *MartinCleaver emails hosting support people [16:10:06] imownbey, no. [16:10:14] okay thanks [16:10:18] The default assumption is a Wikipedia-style setup where the important bit is the main namespace. [16:10:44] "MySkin" is already the name of a skin... [16:11:34] Presumably it's a metasyntactic variable. [16:11:42] hii people [16:12:13] I need a little help [16:12:18] Although using metasyntactic variables that actually mean something is unwise. [16:12:39] how can I prevent people to access a folder in my server [16:12:55] Use .htaccess or similar methods. [16:13:02] Consult the documentation for your server software. [16:13:11] Yeah, I'm just making sure [16:13:28] I mean my directory where I install my wiki files is wiki [16:13:43] http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana_Sayfa for example [16:13:59] and I dont want people to access in wiki folder [16:14:35] what is the way to do that? [16:15:08] i install in /var/www/w but my URL is /wiki/ [16:15:28] dont use the real path /var/www/wiki in the filesystem [16:15:33] yep I did that way [16:15:37] for example [16:15:41] in my localhost [16:15:44] its like this [16:15:46] This is covered in the FAQ. [16:15:48] Or it should be. [16:16:01] You can set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; $wgWhitelistRead = array( 'Main_Page', 'Special:Userlogin' ); [16:16:11] http://localhost/wiki/Ana_Sayfa [16:16:23] Then you have to log in to read the wiki, except for the main page, and unregistered users can't create accounts. [16:16:41] but [16:16:42] when [16:17:04] in the user log in screen [16:17:05] like this [16:17:16] http://localhost/mywikipedia/index.php?title=%C3%96zel:Userlogin&returnto=Ana_Sayfa [16:17:23] you can see everything [16:17:32] mutante how did you prevent this? [16:17:50] Do you want to stop unauthorized people from even seeing the login screen? [16:18:04] no [16:18:16] I dont want in the urls my path seen [16:18:25] mreee: i didnt care about this, i allow everybody to read and write ,even from IP [16:18:49] mreee, I don't understand. [16:19:05] I will try to explain let me think how to explain ;) [16:19:47] i install in /var/www/w but my URL is /wiki/ [16:19:47] dont use the real path /var/www/wiki in the fil [16:20:01] Oh, I see. [16:20:02] how can I do that [16:20:04] ? [16:20:10] You don't want the /w to ever show? [16:20:16] Only /wiki ? [16:20:20] yes [16:20:42] ;) [16:20:50] Well, the problem is, what if you have an article named "index.php"? Anything in /wiki has to be an article. [16:21:22] Also, if you have separate directories for just reading, and editing/viewing history/etc., you can set robots.txt so that only the articles themselves are indexed by search engines. [16:21:25] mreee: ehm, i use the "alias in apache config"-method [16:21:29] mreee: Alias /wiki/index.php /var/www/w/index.php [16:22:05] Alias /wiki/images /var/www/w/images [16:22:06] Alias /wiki /var/www/w/index.php [16:22:14] not quite sure if those are all 3 needed :p [16:22:18] You probably don't really want all URLs to be /wiki. If you do, it's probably possible, but I don't know how, offhand. [16:23:17] oke thank you for you help it was helpful ;) [16:26:22] is patrolling in mediawiki by default? [16:26:23] hah [16:26:39] imownbey: I think it might be, but I don't remember for sure. [16:26:57] Yes, it is. [16:27:16] It's not just in MediaWiki, it's enabled by default. [16:27:56] Yeah, I read the "enabled" that wasn't there ;) [16:28:28] I just fired up Internet Explorer to test something and possibly defend it, and it crashed rather beautifully, throwing up a debug session. :D [16:37:22] By the way, why isn't Live Preview enabled? [16:43:44] I'm getting an error after a successful install of media wiki: "1062: Duplicate entry 'wikidb_one:pcache:idhash:1-0!1!0!!en!2' for key 1 (localhost)" every time I try to do something on it. And I created the database using the wiki script, so I don't see why it's doing this [16:54:50] AlexSm: there were some issues w/ it iirc [16:55:00] haven't fiddled with it in a long time [16:57:31] rake: version? [16:58:47] brion-office, mediawiki 1.8.4 mysql 5.0.42 [17:02:07] Is this some kind of bug or a problem on my end [17:03:04] rake: try 1.10.1 [17:09:00] brion-office: is there any good reason I shouldn't propose "enabling" it (through Common.js) in a particular project? [17:09:42] hello. i have some trouble to upgrade from mediawiki 1.6.10 to 1.10.1. after the upgrade the "content" is missing, only blank pages are show. looking in the history show the diffs. [17:09:59] i also tried to upgrade from 1.6.10 to 1.9.3 -> same problem [17:10:43] mediawiki 1.6.10 was create using debian sarge and now runs fine on debian etch (with mysql5). [17:12:37] now i'm trying to walk from 1.6 -> 1.7 -> 1.8 -> 1.9 to 1.10.x but I think i'm missing something since INSTALL says nothing about problems when upgrading from 1.6 to 1.10 [17:13:36] AlexSm: it hasn't been checked for current problems, and may cause various unknown issues. further it has no particular benefits other than being mildly cute and ajax-ish [17:13:57] so there's no reason to enable it on one project instead of another [17:14:27] babel2: huh? [17:14:30] i have no idea what you mean [17:15:01] first: DO NOT DO FIVE UPGRADES [17:15:04] just do one upgrade [17:15:15] second: ensure you use all the same settings if you're using the gui [17:15:36] third: try to diagnose the problem in a little more detail. what's blank? what shows in history, exactly? [17:15:43] i'm using the command line. [17:16:24] blank means that the previous page content is missing. the wiki menu is show, the buttons to work on the wiki are there. [17:16:40] looking at the version tab show the previous contents. [17:16:58] and just a note. the upgrade from 1.6.10 to 1.7.3 works -> anything is shown. [17:17:47] babel2: can you give me the url to your site to examine it? [17:18:24] no, sorry. it's on an intranet without public access. [17:19:01] darn :) [17:19:09] ok, can you confirm a couple things for me: [17:19:29] 1) action=history lists all revisions? [17:19:37] Hello there, when I try to set up my wiki, it tells me that it's generating the confirmation code, but underneath it just shows "Database type: MySQL" and that's it. Can someone tell me what's wrong? [17:19:50] 2) when selecting a particular revision to view from history, does it show? is this the same for all revisions or just some? [17:20:07] HBad, can you post to pastey.net, or a screenshot? [17:20:13] Sure. [17:21:07] http://pastey.net/71103 [17:22:11] 1) I think all revision are there since the main page show the oldest entry as mediawiki default [17:23:41] 2) select a revision shows no contens just the header is shown with the date. hitting the links thats show a difference show some content. [17:24:50] 2) the differences seems to be ok. every revision show some other content (and that makes sense). [17:25:37] It's a very odd error, I feel that it might have to do with permissions, but I am not sure.... [17:25:41] so i assume the content is still there. [17:26:16] should i try to convent to 1.8.4 meanwhile? [17:26:44] 03(mod) Watchlist now only goes back 1 week - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10349 (10cmhagar) [17:28:33] just done the upgrade to 1.8.4 -> all content is shown. [17:30:16] ok, after the upgrade from 1.8.4 to 1.9.3 the content is not shown. [17:30:25] but the update log shows no error. [17:31:45] brion-office, sweet thanks [17:31:55] brion-office, upgrading to 1.10 fixed the bug [17:33:10] yay [17:33:31] i've heard that 1.8 had some issues with mysql 5 [17:33:36] so I wonder if that was the problem [17:33:57] babel2: checked for error messages? [17:34:41] brion-office: error messages from apache or the conversion script output? [17:35:29] strange: i just klicked everywhere and hitting -> show random page show on page with content so far. [17:36:14] is there an extension which limits editors to only a certain number of edits per time frame? say 5 per hour or something (hopefully configurable) [17:37:02] brion-office: the conversion logs show no error or warning message. [17:39:18] robchurch: you in here? [17:47:53] brion-office: creating new pages shows the content. [17:49:02] brion-office: hitting "edit" on a page where no content is show displays the content in the edit window. saving the edit windows show the "old" page content. [17:49:38] babel2: do you have any extensions installed? [17:49:42] customizations, etc? [17:49:45] try removing/disabling them [17:49:51] check version of php for bugs [17:49:55] check php error reporting [17:49:59] check mw debug log [17:50:00] no extension, no customizations. [17:50:37] php version -> debian sarge and changing that requires a big amount of work. [17:50:54] hello everyone again [17:57:48] brion-office: i think it seems to be a problem with german "umlaute". i have a few pages with shows correctly. these pages are without any german umlaute. the make the buggy pages visible again you just need to enter "edit" and save it again. than the content is show and any german umlaut is printed as "?". [17:57:59] how can I switch on the mw debug log? [18:04:09] $wgDebugLog = "/blahblah"; [18:04:33] it sounds like you've either changed the database configuration, have some borked fields, or both [18:07:56] no, I just copied LocalSettings.php to the new mediawiki directory. the debian upgrade from sarge to etch just upgrade the mysql server but i never changed some settings. [18:11:23] just for the log -> not $wgDebugLog but $wgDebugLogFile [18:11:28] 03(mod) Indicate that the page being viewed is protected - subtitle message? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10347 (10wikipedia.danny.b) [18:12:07] "Just upgrad[ing] the MySQL server" counts as changing the database configuration. [18:12:28] jimbojw: Yeah, I'm here now - was watching t'golf. [18:12:48] is there a LDAP plugin for mediawiki? For example, if I have an LDAP server, I only want like 10 specific accounts to be able to edit the wiki [18:13:26] yes, but i think then many thousand people that upgrade from debian sarge to etch should have the sambe trouble. [18:16:33] 03(mod) Indicate that the page being viewed is protected - subtitle message? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10347 (10robchur) [18:16:54] rake, there's an LDAP authentication plugin, yes. [18:17:02] It depends, of course, on what versions were upgraded from/to. [18:17:41] http://pastey.net/71106 [18:18:19] brion-office: the requested log. I can't see anything like an error. [18:22:39] robchurch: no worries - i was just curious if you knew of an extension that limited edits to a certain number per time period [18:22:46] say 5 per hour - something configurable [18:23:05] $wgRateLimits? [18:23:07] Simetrical, do you know what it's called? [18:23:18] What what's called? [18:23:24] the ldap plugin [18:23:27] Oh, just LDAP Auth or something. [18:23:30] oki [18:23:39] http://www.google.com/search?q=MediaWiki+LDAP [18:23:50] Shit, who's emptied the extensions category on MW.org? [18:24:11] robchurch: tyvm [18:28:50] babel2: if text is coming up blank, the usual suspects would be a problem with encoding or something that's so bad that some functions fail [18:29:06] please ensure that php is set to log or display all errors, including warnings and notice-level problems (E_ALL) [18:30:21] *brion-office is refactoring the horror that is SpamBlacklist_body.php [18:31:18] \o/ [18:32:22] brion-office: You recall that category page count/subcategory count thing I did? Is it worth whacking a patch for that somewhere and posting to wikitech-l for discussion and tomato-throwing, or shall I just forget it and file it in "abandoned, unloved projects" ? [18:32:38] I could also shove it into a branch or whatever. [18:33:03] i'd be curious to see it i think, go ahead [18:33:32] All right, I'll have to sort out the updater for it now. ;) [18:39:11] where is the list of templates for MW? [18:41:24] 04(REOPENED) RFC links should not be generated from plaintext - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10626 +comment (10wikipedia.danny.b) [18:42:44] robchurch: according to the doc on $wgRateLimits, it requires "memcached" - does that mean the memcache daemon? [18:43:27] 03(WONTFIX) RFC links should not be generated from plaintext - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10626 +comment (10robchur) [18:43:50] It will probably work with any object caching we support, i.e. memcached, APC user cache, eAccelerator user cache, XCache, etc. [18:43:59] brion-office: in your refactor of SpamBlacklist, will you be keeping BC with 1.6.x? [18:44:28] robchurch: what about the default 'objectcache' table caching? [18:44:32] ideally 1.6ers should use an old version :) [18:44:36] but i don't see a need to break it atm [18:44:39] assuming it's not broken now :) [18:44:52] It probably uses $wgMemc, which is nothing by default. [18:45:09] I seem to remember setting $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_ANYTHING; once, and watching MediaWiki break in an interesting fashion. [18:45:36] brion-office: do you think it's appropriate to tag some revision that's BC with 1.6 - it may not be obvious which old revision to use [18:46:05] Well, for 1.10 we finally started branching extensions. [18:46:14] You could hack the ping limiter code to use $parserMemc, which is almost guaranteed to be something that's not a FakeMemcachedClient. [18:46:25] That could be done retroactively if a committer bothered, and Brion didn't object. [18:47:00] robchurch: 'ping limiter' you say ... [18:47:08] jimbojw: that's what branches is for [18:47:09] Yeah, the code calls it a ping limiter, doesn't it? [18:47:34] Let me see, let me see...1.6.what? [18:47:52] robchurch: i haven't looked in the code yet - embarassingly, I'm on 1.6.8 I believe :( [18:48:10] *robchurch has a quick dekko [18:48:48] Probably no different to the trunk version, but let's just be safe. ;) [18:50:15] yeah - it's the pingLimiter() method of User [18:52:00] jimbojw, you know there are XSS vulnerabilities in 1.6.8? [18:52:12] in the ajax completer, right? [18:52:50] Simetrical: were there others? [18:53:07] I think there were two vulnerabilities. Thus 1.6.9 and 1.6.10. [18:53:16] jimbojw: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71108 (untested) [18:54:37] I have a feeling that $wgMainCacheType can't be CACHE_ANYTHING 'cause it'll fall back to a MediaWikiBagOStuff if nothing better's available...and this would explain the error; I vaguely remember it had something to do with an improperly initialised database. [18:54:57] robchurch: tyvm - i wonder what would happen if I just put "$wgMemc = &$parserMemc" in my localsettings ... [18:55:14] 04(REOPENED) Article repository tab - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 +comment (10dirtyknacker) [18:55:26] It would probably be overridden in Setup.php. [18:55:32] bah [18:55:48] It would probably lead to increased database load. [18:55:58] psh [18:56:09] ya ok [18:57:08] Simetrical: yeah - I just found the release notes for 1.6.9 and 1.6.10 - both regard fixing XSS in the context of the Ajax support [18:57:55] 03(mod) Article repository tab - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 (10robchur) [18:58:01] hi all [18:58:03] ^^ [18:58:55] *robchurch had rather an interesting implementation flash into his brain re. that article repository thing then [18:59:47] In fact, it would probably be quite a quick and easy extension. [19:00:03] brion-office: i tried to set php error_reporting via php.ini and apache.conf to "on" but there is no output. no entries in the logfile, no output on the page. is there any way to see if error_reporting is working within mediawiki? [19:00:15] Does my wiki need to not be in the directory /wiki in order to make my shorter URLs look like /wiki/Articlename [19:00:18] 1) you restarted apache? [19:00:23] 2) try error_reporting() func [19:00:31] robchurch: what would be an easy extension? [19:00:41] 1) yes, via reload and stop/start [19:02:02] 2) I assume error_reporting(E_ALL); at the top of LocalSettings.php is ok? [19:02:23] 03(mod) Allow more than two namespaces to be "grouped" like article/ talk spaces are - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [19:02:39] robchurch, you're interpreting the request rather differently than I, I think. [19:03:03] (see my change to the summary there, and accompanying post) [19:08:57] hello everyone, I have a quick question about the usage of mediawiki. I want to write a tech manual, and I figure a wiki is the best way, but I also want to be able to print hte [19:09:09] how can I a prevent access to a directory on my server wat is the code?? I am using apache?? [19:09:10] the "book", if you will, to a PDF file, can media wiki do that> [19:09:49] PhreeStyle-work, not natively. I think there are third-party tools that can more or less do it. [19:10:11] emrezer, you need to make your request much clearer than that. Give details on what exactly you want to happen. [19:10:22] I was looking at another wiki, called DocBooks wiki that looked kind of like what I want...can you recommend a wiki that can do this? [19:10:36] emrezer, also, for non-MediaWiki stuff, you might want #apache. Be sure to read the FAQs there first. [19:10:57] PhreeStyle-work, I really don't know much of anything about non-MW wikis. I can tell you MW is definitely not designed for that. [19:11:28] PhreeStyle-work: if you haven't already you may want to ask in #wiki [19:11:28] ok, well, that answers one of my questions then...thanks [19:11:42] ok, i'll give that a try...thanks all [19:12:38] oke here is the thing http://tr.wikipedia.org/w/ you cannot access this page it says forbidden you dont have permission to access /w/ on this server but you can access this page [19:12:52] how did they prevent accessing /w/ [19:13:05] I am using apache 2.0 [19:13:05] .htaccess [19:13:11] hoe? [19:13:14] I don't know the syntax for 2.0. Ask in #apache. [19:13:17] This is #mediawiki. [19:13:18] how with .htaccess? [19:13:32] didnt you used that command before? [19:13:37] 03(mod) Indicate that the page being viewed is protected - subtitle message? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10347 (10wikipedia.danny.b) [19:13:40] Only with Apache 1.3. [19:16:36] What other changes would I have to make in order to rename the directory of my wiki? [19:17:47] Other than what? [19:18:13] You need to change the paths in LocalSettings.php, change your rewrite rules, and if you're moving the actual files, do the actual move. [19:18:42] 03(mod) Allow more than two namespaces to be "grouped" like article/ talk spaces are - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 +comment (10dirtyknacker) [19:19:23] this is actually the reason i want to change the name of the directory, because it seems from the help that I can't have a simple domain.com/wiki/Article of the directory of the wiki is called wiki, which it presently is [19:21:11] I've renamed and changed the path in LocalSettings.php but I get an error when trying to load the wiki (500) [19:21:24] Check your Apache error log. [19:21:44] You need to update your rewrite rule, actually, is probably the issue. [19:21:54] in .htaccess? [19:21:56] Yes. [19:22:06] If you didn't change it, it's trying to rewrite URLs to a nonexistent path at best. [19:24:35] 03(mod) Allow more than two namespaces to be "grouped" like article/ talk spaces are - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [19:25:59] now i'm not getting a 500, but i'm getting redirected to the root of the site [19:26:24] Again, a bad rewrite rule. Wipe out your rewrite rules, make sure everything works, and then add new rewrite rules. [19:27:09] Simetrical: i removed the rewrite rules completely [19:27:24] And you're getting redirected to your root from where? [19:27:40] from nybc.com/w [19:27:56] excuse me yiddishbookcetner.com/w [19:28:04] 03(mod) Allow more than two namespaces to be "grouped" like article/ talk spaces are - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 (10dirtyknacker) [19:28:12] And is there anything in there, in the actual filesystem? [19:28:35] yeah, the whole mediawiki installation [19:28:58] Try going to /w/index.php . Still redirected? [19:29:15] yes [19:29:29] But you removed all your rewrite rules? You're sure? [19:29:36] all of the wiki related ones [19:29:43] Check /w/.htaccess as well as /.htaccess . [19:29:43] there are ones for other parts of the site [19:29:48] yeah, i did both [19:30:04] And you don't have any Redirects or RedirectMatches set up? [19:30:22] there are also some redirects for other parts of the site [19:30:31] But you're sure none could affect this? [19:30:45] no, they also haven't changed at all [19:31:29] Then it's time to start stabbing random things until something works. [19:31:45] Try temporarily removing *all* your redirects and rewrites, for instance. [19:32:09] Or try adding a rule like ^w/ - [L] at the very top, under RewriteEngine On. [19:32:30] (Might need to be ^/w/ depending on RewriteBase.) [19:32:33] in /.htaccess not w/.htaccess correct? [19:33:04] The way I wrote it, yes. [19:33:19] okay i put it in [19:35:26] both of those lines give even hte main site a 500 error [19:35:32] Yay. [19:35:36] So remove them, obviously. :P [19:35:44] yes, my boss wouldn't like it much [19:35:50] someone said "did the internet just go down?" :P [19:35:51] brion-office: ok, the error log works (i put some diagnostic output at the end of localsettings.php) but there is no php error shown (with E_ALL). [19:36:06] Hmm. [19:36:30] so should i just move the wiki back to /wiki? [19:36:35] That's not ideal. [19:36:52] another question. is there a way to purge a page from mediawiki? with complete history information? [19:36:53] had i known it would have made more senes in /w or something, i would have done that to start [19:36:54] Try making a copy of the .htaccesses and the /w directory somewhere to see if it still occurs. [19:37:05] hi [19:37:07] I've got an odd question [19:37:12] Somewhere where you can remove parts without breaking your website. :) [19:37:32] do any of you have experience using mediawiki (or any wiki) for intranet documentation purposes? [19:37:47] It's not that odd. I haven't done it, but a lot of people have. [19:37:50] I'm wondering how much maintenance there is in keeping a wiki tidy. [19:38:08] None, if no one makes it untidy. :) [19:38:15] I write articles for wikipedia, but the work environment is hardly comparable. :) [19:38:32] But collaborative documentation will generally be less structured than top-down documentation, certainly. [19:38:50] Simetrical, more like if the wiki is used to communicate between departments and not everyone is equally versed in good wiki behaviour. [19:38:51] Someone's going to need to spend a bit of time maintaining it, in all probability. [19:39:21] Simetrical, those are my thoughts. so I'm wondering if anyone has numbers that relate to a number of users and the type of users. [19:39:30] I don't, personally. [19:39:32] like... three girls from marketing. :) [19:39:45] cus im da numba one stunna [19:41:21] like, if one hour a week will do. I know of one danish company with 30-40 employees of whom there's one who solely documents stuff. seems kind of overkill. [19:41:37] I suppose it depends extremely much on how well people adapt to it. [19:41:48] How often it's used, how big it is. [19:42:03] It will undoubtedly help to start it off with some structure to persuade people to work inside that. [19:42:25] Instead of everyone using radically different naming conventions and so forth. [19:42:26] which means setting it up won't just take half an hour. :) [19:42:34] Probably not, no. [19:44:02] im trying to upload a file /Users/ianownbey/Desktop/CNW_logo-LongMdW.png and wikimedia is spitting back "File has no extension" [19:44:36] any ideas? [19:45:12] nm [19:45:17] Simetrical: for some reason, LocalSettings.php hadn't saved with thechanges i made [19:45:29] *akahn_ smacks his forehead, then puts in the rewrite rules [19:51:31] How can I make the homepage a special page? [19:53:26] what message is the $1 parameter for MediaWiki:Watchlistanontext ? [19:53:52] Loginreqlink I suppose [19:54:01] well, I wonder whether it's used elsewhere [19:54:03] Simetrical: i'm leaving the office soon, so i treid to put the wiki back to /wiki , where i told my boss he could look at it, i think i need to change $wgArticlePath back to something, but i'm not sure what... something ending in $1. Any idea what hte rest is? [19:54:27] because I need to change it for Watchlistanontext, but I'd hate to see it break in other places [19:54:31] Uh, offhand shouldn't it be "/wiki/$1" or somesuch? [19:55:17] i'll give htat a shot [19:56:50] it keeps giving me these 500 errors [20:00:48] *akahn_ is going to have to fix this next week [20:04:05] Hi, is there a way to completely lock a wiki from editing? (I am going on vacation and I don't want anyone to touch it... ) [20:04:32] Just editing, or all changes? [20:05:18] what other changes are there? (like registering?) [20:05:58] Registration, changing preferences, uploading files, basically, anything that changes the database - set $wgReadOnly = "some reason"; [20:06:34] ok... great thanks [20:06:55] Just so I know, is there a way for only edits? [20:08:00] Set all the $wgGroupPermissions to false for 'edit'. [20:08:44] thank you... [20:14:55] goodbye [20:29:53] 03kim * r24287 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/small/scoping.php: [20:29:53] (some syntax tests, no longer needed) [20:29:56] How did that get in there? [20:30:27] brion-office: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Columbine_Massacre_RPG%21 [20:32:58] VoiceOfAll: That is the definition of irony. [20:38:35] robchurch: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigsource/503929914/ [20:40:44] o_O [20:41:05] robchurch: irony? [20:41:09] Whee, Slideshow is now i18n-able and has at least some sort of fallback. [20:41:24] *brion-office goes back to bashing at SpamBlacklist with a rock [20:44:39] hi [20:50:01] nobody there? [20:51:12] robchurch: you have a testbed? [20:51:21] hm [20:51:33] so I'll simply write down my questions concerning mediawiki [20:51:39] SvenWP: lots...state your problem, and if you're really lucky someone can and will answer [20:51:47] not at the moment, no [20:51:51] yeah thanks [20:51:52] i need to revive mine :) [20:52:02] SvenWP: if it's long, put it on a wiki page and link to it ;) [20:52:10] NotACat: LOL ;) [20:52:26] SvenWP, see the last sentence of the topic. [20:53:08] Simetrical, my stupid IRC client doesn't display the whole topic [20:53:13] If someone asks to ask a question, and then doesn't ask an interesting enough question, we should beat them with a hot poker. [20:53:16] Even when you come in? [20:53:35] Oh, you aren't using a dedicated IRC client, no wonder. [20:53:44] brion-office: When you've done SpamBlacklist, will you be refactoring Inputbox? [20:53:45] :P [20:53:45] Opera's a good browser, but IRC client, probably not. [20:54:03] Simetrical, full ACK. Too lazy to start xchat or irssi [20:54:14] not just now [20:54:19] bwahaha [20:54:26] i'm trying to get some of this spam stuff ready to ship as install options [20:54:31] i dont' care about inputbox :) [20:54:34] Yay. [20:55:03] Anyway, SvenWP, the last sentence of the topic says: "Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask your question... but read the FAQ and search the web first." [20:55:04] SvenWP: get pidgin, it can cope with many protocols;) [20:55:33] NotACat, I've never seen an IM managing IRC as good as an IM protocol [20:56:06] SvenWP: works for me fine...YMMV [20:56:34] Yeah, people tend to come on in Gaim and print in funny colors and so on. [20:56:41] Dedicated IRC client is the way to go. [20:56:56] Anyway, MediaWiki! You had a question, SvenWP? [20:57:36] Simetrical, I still try to find a way to bring it to "one" sentence... on to the point [20:57:48] I'm looking for wiki. Now I love mediawiki's syntax and features, but... doesn't it need too much resources for a very small installation? I want to drive it on a quite small webhosting. Can i use Mediawiki? [20:57:57] (^- that's my question) [20:58:46] NotACat: I seem to remember most of my test wikis have Special:Version pages that look like stonking great vanity reels. ;) [21:00:32] SvenWP, how small are you talking? MediaWiki is definitely very large for a wiki package. [21:03:25] Simetrical, I would like to use it for a homepage (about 50 pages and 150 photographics, about 80.000 page impressions/month) [21:03:51] Have you looked at other simple web site editing options, like Fog Creek CityDesk? [21:04:04] Fog Creek what-the-fuck? [21:04:36] No need to be impolite about it. Then again, the product itself requires Windows, which may mean it's a no-no. ;) [21:05:24] my problem is that I wouldn't need all the overhead of a wiki but just a revision control system where multiple people can co-edit the homepage [21:05:50] but it should not be as complicated as SVN, so I think a wiki would be just perfect... [21:06:01] You've considered other CMS packages? [21:06:38] they are typically made for Unix enviroments and mostly only offer CLI interfaces [21:06:53] Really? Are you sure? [21:07:43] Are you perhaps using a different meaning of "CMS" than I? [21:07:48] robchurch, quite sure. SVN and CVS are the only really big ones where there are even windows clients, but they all need a central server which could manage everything -- I don't own something like that [21:08:05] I think the answer to my question is yes. [21:08:10] CMS = "Content Management System" [21:08:14] oops [21:08:19] I wasn't talking about a version control system by any means. [21:08:20] I didn't notice you were talking about CMS ;) [21:08:29] yes [21:08:45] okay... and are there CMS which offer me revision control, like a wiki? [21:08:56] Well now, that's the rub; I can't think of too many that do. [21:09:10] (Of course, wiki isn't synonymous with version control) [21:09:37] but wiki implements version control. Quite every wiki. [21:09:56] Modern and popular wiki packages might implement version control, but that's not what wiki is at all. [21:10:28] yes okay [21:10:37] but we are talking about modern and popular wikis [21:10:48] Have you looked at any of the other wiki implementations, then? [21:11:23] yes, at lot's of them. They usually feature an ugly syntax and not enough flexibliity [21:11:35] You want a MediaWiki that runs in a small footprint. [21:11:42] exactly ;) [21:11:56] The chances of finding software with all the functionality, scalability and power of MediaWiki...with a smaller footprint...are very low. [21:12:20] yes, that's the problem [21:12:33] it's a pity [21:12:46] I think it was David Gerard who said "MediaWiki has all the power of a small tank. Unfortunately, it also has all the manouverability." [21:12:51] or something very similar [21:13:30] so I think mediawiki would bust the capacity of my quite decent web hosting offer ;-( [21:13:48] 03brion * r24288 10/trunk/extensions/SpamBlacklist/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) [21:13:50] Some polishing and refactoring on this monstrosity, it's been allowed to grow without some good snipping in a while. :) [21:13:53] * Handle bad regexes more gracefully: [21:13:55] - The batched regexes are tested for validity, and if one is bad, the lines from that source are broken out line-by-line. This is slower, but the other lines in that source will still be applied correctly. [21:13:58] - Suppress warnings and be more verbose in the debug log. [21:14:00] - Check for bad regexes when a local blacklist page is edited, and prompt the user to fix the bad lines. [21:14:07] * Caching issues: [21:14:21] (bot?) [21:14:29] Yes, it's a bot. [21:14:57] reading out the latest svn changes? [21:15:16] Not exactly; it's spitting out a change that's just occurred. [21:15:28] gnight folks [21:15:31] bye [21:15:48] hm... so I think -- consequently --- Mediawiki is quite too big for my needs... hm [21:16:43] Perhaps someone should take one of the alternate parsers that implements about 90% of the parser, and slap it on top of a CMS that's not quite such a behemoth. [21:17:43] 03kim * r24289 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/missing.php: Now using defining expressions for words that were previously "undefined" [21:24:32] hm [21:24:37] so... I'll quit [21:24:42] thanks for your help, robchurch [21:24:53] and all the others [21:39:22] questions about history: Does the wiki tell you how big the whole DB Hsitory is? (How much space its taking up), And does the wiki let you delete the history in any way? (Whole, per article, ect?) [21:39:30] 03kim * r24290 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/Database scripts/Convenience/Create uw_defined_meaning indices.sql: Will this go faster? [21:40:07] No, no. [21:41:20] SELECT SUM(rev_len) FROM revision; might work to get an approximate size in bytes. [21:42:07] There is a script, maintenance/deleteOldRevisions.php, which might work to delete all non-current revisions. [21:42:19] hi i lost my password for commons [21:42:27] maintenance/nukePage.php might also work to delete an entire article in one go [21:42:39] Aranda56: Wrong channel, bad question; request a new one or make a new account. [21:43:04] robchurch which channel? [21:43:11] #wikimedia-tech [21:43:16] 03kim * r24291 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/Database scripts/Convenience/Create uw_defined_meaning indices.sql: messing with uw_defined_meaning indices [21:43:17] thanks [21:44:04] <_DannyB|backup> robchurch: could you fix errors in db? [21:44:19] Are you asking a theoretical or practical question? [21:44:31] lol [21:44:35] I mean, are you asking if it's possible, or if I can do it on a Wikimedia wiki? [21:44:44] First answer is "depends on the 'error'", second is no. [21:45:43] question: on the edit page form, when i press the save button, what catch the event? javascript? [21:46:37] <_DannyB|backup> second answer is good enough for me. who beside tim and bri on can? [21:49:21] <_DannyB|backup> i'm trying to find somebody who can fix one problem in results on special page [21:50:14] _DannyB|backup: why is it so important? [21:53:20] robchurch: hm... mw:Developers refers to m:system_administrators, but that page doesn't exist... where did the info about shell access go? [21:53:49] <_DannyB|backup> Duesentrieb: well, it's definitely not critical, it's a bit annoying though since it's broken for couple days or even weeks already. but sure it can wait. tried to ask both tim and bri on but both were busy, so i thought there could be someone else who's not that busy... ;-) [21:53:58] <_DannyB|backup> but it can wait [21:54:35] _DannyB|backup: well, it's always a good thing to fix errors. But on the other hand, if you write tools that rely on the info, expect shit like this to happen again. [21:54:45] Duesentrieb, it's in the page history. :D Also, most shell people have commit access and are listed as shell/root if applicable on the list. [21:54:48] It's just not ordered that way. [21:55:39] Simetrical: far too few shells on the list for that [21:55:41] _DannyB|backup, what's the bug? [21:55:43] <_DannyB|backup> Duesentrieb: nope, no tools. just special:wantedcategories returns categories which are not linked [21:55:50] <_DannyB|backup> Simetrical: ^ [21:56:18] hm, ok, plus a few roots... maybe that *is* all. [21:56:20] <_DannyB|backup> so i guess it's stucked somewhere in db [21:56:31] Simetrical: but... either the page should be created, or the link removed. [21:56:40] Yeah, most shells seem not to have commit? http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Developers&oldid=115192 [21:56:59] Although I haven't heard of pretty much any of the listed shells who don't have commit. [21:57:07] _DannyB|backup: many special pages use cached results. they might grow a month old, or older... [21:57:11] And Duesentrieb, the link is there to get people to make the page. :) [21:57:15] not sure about that specific page [21:57:29] _DannyB|backup, there's probably a months-old bug complaining about this. [21:57:29] Simetrical: yea :) no idea what to put there though [21:57:48] <_DannyB|backup> Duesentrieb: it says every day page generated [21:58:04] Avatarms: Saving is done when MediaWiki responds to a POST request, which is the job of the browser. [21:58:41] <robchurch> Avatarms: Saving is done when MediaWiki responds to a POST request, which is the job of the browser. <-- tnx, i will search a workaround ^^ [21:59:04] _DannyB|backup: then it's a bug :) [21:59:32] _DannyB|backup: if the data is regenerated, but still wrong, the problem is not in the database, but in the code. finding the bug is the tricky part then. [21:59:38] <_DannyB|backup> Duesentrieb: other items on the list disappear [21:59:46] <_DannyB|backup> ok [21:59:51] _DannyB|backup: then its a hard to find bug. [21:59:59] Wait, what special page? [22:00:07] <_DannyB|backup> http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Wantedcategories - #6 & #7 have been sitting there for weeks although not used anywhere, could they be removed, please? [22:00:12] <_DannyB|backup> oups [22:00:18] <_DannyB|backup> i've copied my entire post [22:00:34] I want to make an AJAX powered special page, and have the JavaScript portion load from a .js file.... which I have to define in the header, but I can't seem to get access to the header, any hints? [22:01:11] Look for an appropriate OutputPage method. [22:01:15] $wgOut->addHeadItem(), $wgOut->addScript() [22:01:18] <_DannyB|backup> DFRussia: check the geshi hiliter [22:01:30] (Special pages can just use $wgOut direct) [22:01:38] ok [22:01:43] thank you [22:04:47] robchurch: uh, what does user_touched do? [22:04:58] User cache timestamp. [22:05:30] It's like $wgCacheEpoch for a single user, we bump it to force new page views when changing prefs &c. for users which requires cache invalidation. [22:06:04] robchurch: well... if the user didn't log in for a long time, that timestamp shouldn't have changed for a long time, right? [22:06:17] or is it also bumped on, say, password requests? [22:06:21] Er, not necessarily. [22:06:56] It shouldn't be used to work out when the user last logged in, if that's your tangent. [22:07:11] yea, kind of [22:07:21] i have a user who is (or claims to be) admin on enwp, but has forgotten his pw for commons. [22:07:32] Probably no reliable way to work that out at this time. [22:07:54] well... 20070720220229 seems *very* recent. [22:08:06] Why is it relevant? [22:08:17] It doesn't confirm identity in any way, does it? [22:09:02] Tell the user to request a new password be mailed to them. [22:09:53] robchurch: well, a recent timestamp could have been used to *rebuke* his claims to be locked out... [22:10:02] aren't there actually mediawiki addons? [22:10:12] or confirm the fear that someone hijacked the account. [22:10:19] simon: Possibly. But none of them are installed on Commons, so they aren't any help. [22:10:25] simon: hundrets. called "e3xtensions", usually [22:10:35] without the 3 obviously [22:10:47] Duesentrieb: Yeah, but that timestamp isn't the time the user last logged in, and it's foolish to treat it as if it is. [22:10:50] Duesentrieb, ok [22:11:15] robchurch: that's why i asked you :) thanks. [22:11:41] no problem [22:12:50] <_DannyB|backup> robchurch: did you notice that link to special page you asked about? (just making sure...) [22:13:13] _DannyB|backup: I did. I can't work out offhand why it might be linked there. [22:13:21] <_DannyB|backup> ok [22:13:23] <_DannyB|backup> thx [22:14:01] If it were Special:Wantedpages, that might be easier to explain. :P [22:14:13] <_DannyB|backup> i remember somebody fixed similar problem for our wiki already couple times, but it was about half a year ago [22:14:21] <_DannyB|backup> robchurch: :o)) [22:14:45] Offhand, it just seems like the script that recaches items has gotten confused. [22:16:06] <_DannyB|backup> i barely remember that it may depend on the order of things you do, such as delete category, delete links to category etc... and if you do it in some devil's order, then this happens [22:18:32] Obviously it's one danger of caching; if something goes wrong that you don't know about, and you cache it, then you're stuck. :P [22:18:37] 03(mod) Namespace rename on Norwegian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10641 summary; +comment (10innocentkiller) [22:19:03] hmm, I still can't manage to insert a script [22:19:17] <_DannyB|backup> ok, i'll try to catch b or t later [22:19:50] <_DannyB|backup> anybody knows what happened to thai wikisource? [22:20:33] <_DannyB|backup> 2 days ago they grew up +8000 articles but #of edits got -1000 [22:21:48] maybe the way the stats are calculated changed somehow? [22:23:43] They were recalculated. [22:23:50] So now they're closer to being correct. [22:24:04] They should really just be recalculated every night or something. Or every week, or whatever. [22:24:13] Because evidently they don't stay very correct for very long. [22:24:19] Well, in theory, there should be no need to do that. [22:25:07] <^demon> Out of curiosity...why are permissions stored in LocalSettings rather than in the database? [22:25:08] <_DannyB|backup> Duesentrieb: how you can grow 8000 articles and lose 1000 edits? [22:25:49] _DannyB|backup: Possibly it doesn't count deleted edits. [22:26:30] This would indicate some very odd discrepancy if the number of pages also grew by 6-800. [22:26:35] ^demon: Faster. [22:27:18] At one time during the development of 1.5, it seems it was planned to store rights->group mappings in the database, but this was abandoned. [22:27:27] <_DannyB|backup> robchurch: wouldn't this appear on every wiki if algorithm has changed? [22:27:46] _DannyB|backup: Only if the script was run on all wikis. [22:27:54] <_DannyB|backup> i see [22:28:05] <_DannyB|backup> stats of thai s: http://www.bilysklep.cz/~martinkozak/statistics/?family=wikisources&project=th&subject=articles&scanback=7 and http://www.bilysklep.cz/~martinkozak/statistics/?family=wikisources&project=th&subject=edits&scanback=7 [22:30:03] ^demon, there was never any need to store them in the database, since we didn't provide any way of changing them except editing variables. :) [22:31:08] <_DannyB|backup> any of you have access to change localsettings on wmf projects? [22:32:05] <^demon> Simetrical: Gotcha. Switching that over wouldn't be hard :-) [22:32:21] _DannyB|backup, no. No shell users seem to be on now. [22:32:31] Well, maybe some are and they just aren't talking. [22:32:53] *Simetrical looks around and spots mark [22:34:30] <_DannyB|backup> i should finally write the list of who can do what since there's none such proper available [22:37:05] do most mediawiki installations enable caching? [22:37:13] _DannyB|backup, you need a copy of /etc/passwd to do that properly. [22:37:16] Basically, Brion and Tim are the only people who will enable things, change settings, etc. on a regular basis. [22:37:29] River often does maintenance tasks and changes namespaces or opens and closes wikis. [22:37:30] robchurch, _mary_kate_ does so more than Tim, that I've seen. [22:37:44] Or Brion recently. [22:37:49] As far as "change settings" goes. [22:37:53] JeLuF used to do a considerable bit of work opening wikis. [22:37:56] frozeneskimo, most MediaWiki installations use the defaults. :P [22:38:14] Simetrical, is this slow for you? http://dev.frozeneskimo.com/ [22:38:28] Yes. [22:38:28] domas and mark are usually occupied with increasing the capabilities of the cluster or ensuring it maintains those capabilities [22:38:39] Takes, like, ten seconds to load. [22:38:45] Simetrical, :( [22:39:03] Simetrical, i enabled fastcgi and have a php5 wrapper for it [22:39:08] Simetrical, but i think it's just dreamhost [22:39:09] Hello! Which is the www.mediawiki.org recent changes IRC channel? [22:39:30] Is there one? [22:39:43] <^demon> Simetrical: Not that I know of. [22:39:44] irc.wikimedia.org, mediawiki ? [22:40:13] I don't know, but as there is one for meta, commons and all wikipedias, I thougt that there should be one for mediawiki [22:40:19] <_DannyB|backup> the other day i had a talk with either brion or tim (or both?) and he/they said that basicaly there should be some kind of management for wikis available fo eg. bcts so devs won't be buzzed with every stupid thing such as add namespace/alias/turn on subpages etc... [22:41:34] Damn straight. [22:43:38] <^demon> _DannyB|backup: Which is why namespace and permissions managers would be a very nice thing. [22:44:23] <_DannyB|backup> permissions should be atomized [22:44:41] <_DannyB|backup> and granted in any combination [22:45:21] <^demon> _DannyB|backup: Moving permissions to a Specialpage with the database wouldn't be hard. [22:45:31] ^demon: Got some code for it? [22:46:14] <_DannyB|backup> i have a dream about a page where i could select the user and have group of checkboxes by which i add him certain rights [22:46:15] 03(mod) Attributes with Underscores do not show up when doing Special: SeachByAttribute - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10606 +comment (10innocentkiller) [22:46:40] <^demon> robchurch: I saw a patch for it in Bugzilla about 15 minutes ago, I'm going back to look at it now. [22:46:55] That's technically doable now, with groups and Special:Userrights. [22:46:59] <^demon> And by the way, everyone read bug#10606....the URL provided is rather humorous. [22:47:32] I find your response more hilarious. [22:47:36] <_DannyB|backup> and other special page where you can have predefined combinations such as we have now sysop, bct etc... [22:47:50] Simply because it makes no odds what the URL is, point is, he's described the behaviour. [22:48:19] <^demon> I was tempted to say "I'd be glad to look at your bug on my localhost....", but I figured that might be a bit dickish. [22:49:21] Wait a second, phpinfo() shows my shell environment? That's completely freaky. [22:49:47] Suddenly Simetrical realises that PHP is stalking him. [22:50:01] It is. :( [22:50:39] <_DannyB|backup> ^demon: you're mean :-P [22:50:52] Anyone who went to the right URL on my board for months knows I'm a vim editor now! [22:50:54] *Simetrical sobs [22:50:57] <^demon> _DannyB|backup: Yeah, just a bit. [22:51:38] It's all right, Simetrical. [22:51:48] Using vim is nothing to be ashamed of. [22:52:05] <^demon> Now, using notepad....that would be for shame :-P [22:52:10] Not to mention my user id, the fact that I was using sudo, my home directory, my language, and the exact command I used to start the server. [22:52:29] this is why you should never leave phpinfo() output available in production [22:52:57] O RLY? [22:53:28] So, tell me, why isn't exec() working? Would it help if I showed you my phpinfo()? :D [22:53:52] (ImageMagick seems to foil bots a lot better than GD, for vBulletin.) [22:54:19] 03(mod) Grant "deletedhistory" permissions to CheckUser group - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9884 +comment (10innocentkiller) [22:57:42] Simetrical: what robchurch meant to say is that using vim to edit stuff is fine...snorting it up your nose like snuff is not so good;) [22:58:00] I'm . . . not sure how you'd snort vim up your nose. [22:59:10] *Simetrical thinks it's slightly sad to see Connection: keep-alive in the request, and then Connection: close in the response. [22:59:20] "No! I don't want to talk to you anymore." [22:59:22] :( [23:04:23] how do you make mediawiki refresh its cache [23:04:51] it says i have a parse error at 177 and all i changed as a mod line at like 210. I can take out ALL the mod lines and its still screwed up. [23:06:02] Leefmc: touch the config file. [23:06:08] i have [23:06:09] many times [23:06:15] then the cache is gone. [23:06:36] you can try action=purge, or edit & preview [23:06:40] previews are *never* cached [23:07:05] action=purge? [23:07:08] how [23:07:09] where [23:07:15] but wait - when you get a parse error, you can't do any of that, right? but then, if mw can't be parsed, it's caching doesn't apply either [23:07:24] <_DannyB|backup> hmm, i can't find any bug about what i've just wrote about setting permissions separately, any idea or should i file new one? [23:07:24] ah [23:07:28] yea i can't do squat [23:07:28] Leefmc: action=purge as a url parameter. for any page. [23:07:33] i got it working though just now [23:07:41] i removed like everything i could think of [23:07:46] now to backtrack and find the issue. [23:08:06] Leefmc: for parse errors, php -l on the command line is your frind. just run it on every file you modififed. [23:08:12] it will tell you which is broken, and how. [23:08:26] i have no idea what happened. I commented out 1 line, with 1 char, at like like 210. It then won't do anything because it says theres an error at 177 [23:08:30] php -l? [23:08:45] syntax checker [23:09:22] Leefmc: well, commenting out one cahr in one place can make the parser barf in a completely different place. especially if that char is { or } [23:09:44] or something that would create or remove a comment [23:09:52] nah, i ment on char i inputed. "#" at the beginning of a line to comment it out [23:09:56] i think im good now though [23:09:58] im tracking it down [23:10:03] least the sites back up lol [23:10:06] no one can post anything :o [23:11:54] it was a good thing though. Reminded me i forgot to make my backup lol [23:18:53] mmm [23:19:11] there is a css version of addInlineScript( $script ) <--- [23:19:36] i have to insert a short css text into the page [23:19:58] Probably not, just use addHtml( "..." ); [23:20:14] i already use that [23:20:20] i was searching a more elegant way [23:20:21] :D [23:22:05] argh already 1:21 _ [23:22:44] How well does mediawiki handle the importing of a database on a dif url? I want to copy my site for testing, to see if i can hunt down a bug. Any thoughts? [23:25:21] Leefmc: it should simply work. there are no absolute pathes stored in the db. [23:25:31] nice [23:25:33] thx [23:25:40] unless you explicitely used them in wiki text, of course [23:26:57] yea [23:37:14] 14(DUP) Setting a temporary usergroup - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10493 +comment (10innocentkiller) [23:37:15] 03(mod) Support expiring user permissions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6796 +comment (10innocentkiller) [23:51:29] whee http://wiki.anubite.co.uk/view/Slideshow [23:51:56] <^demon> Oh that is very cool. [23:53:00] 03(mod) Search bar 'go' button capitalization issue for uncreated pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8245 +comment (10innocentkiller)