[00:00:36] I thought we did. [00:00:41] I mean, we don't just not track sessions. [00:05:03] *robchurch looks for the log of his discussion with Tim about "visible" vs. "cache dependency" links [00:10:30] 03(NEW) Enable Import on it.Wikibooks for pages from it. wikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10664 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (ilklamo) [00:11:30] imedia [00:19:03] 03(mod) Enable Import on it.Wikibooks for pages from it.wikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10664 +shell (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:52:34] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/patch-img_sha1.sql?sortby=date&view=log [00:52:37] sweet [00:55:07] 03robchurch * r24327 10/trunk/extensions/Sort/ (README Sort Sort.class.php Sort.php): [00:55:09] * Code refactoring [00:55:13] * Trim list tokens from each line [00:55:15] * Rename readme to README [01:03:23] 06(LATER) logevents query returns zeros for logid & pageid - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10660 +comment (10robchur) [01:56:34] robchurch, ping [01:56:41] robchurch, Where can I find the Wikitravel folks? [01:56:47] wikitravel.org ? [01:56:52] I did a channel search, nothing relevant came up here on Freenode [01:57:16] Oh weird... their channel doesn't show up in the list, they're in #wikitravel [01:57:17] blarg [02:02:13] I managed to figure out what was wrong with my rss->db dump mirroring script, and brion/et al. fixed the bugs with the rss feeds pointing to missing/broken links, so now all is well with the world [02:02:37] Now I'm re-rolling all of the mobile versions again, to see if they still function [02:03:09] Top 8 languages across 8 of the mediawiki projects (books, pedia, quote, etc.) [02:08:50] robchurch, As this thing goes live again, after a 2+ year hibernation, which is the best list to announce it on? [03:03:19] 03aaron * r24328 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/patch-img_sha1.sql: *grr [03:51:32] The usernames of logged-out users is stored in a cookie right? [03:54:28] Wouldnt a very reliable sock-detection system be to log in the user table the username cookie as of the time of registration? It would stop most sockpuppeteers who weren't really determined [04:01:45] that was on SVN briefly, then reverted [04:08:18] MW stores cookies even if you explicitly log out? Why? [04:08:30] that cookie will be removed anyway [04:09:03] Oh, that was before browsers remembered that kind of thing, I guess. [04:09:05] Or something. [04:09:59] I thought it would be useful to find socks [04:10:06] a Special:Viewsocks page for admins [04:10:55] maybe better for CheckUsers [04:13:39] Well no [04:13:43] The idea is a way for admins [04:13:54] Since no information is released thats personal, such as no IPs [04:14:14] Its just accounts created on that same PC while the other account was logged out [06:02:35] Is this the place to ask questions? [06:03:45] Ah, okay. How do I move the logo to the left so that the small margin between the left edge and the logo disappears? [06:15:06] good morning [06:15:16] Morning! [06:20:18] Does anyone know how to move the logo to the left, eliminating the space between the left edge of the screen and the left edge of the logo? [06:24:49] I assume by editing the css [06:26:06] Yes, but what part of the CSS would I have to edit to remove that margin? [06:28:41] the bit for the logo, not sure exactly where in the CSS [06:30:17] The bit for the logo doesn't cover that margin [06:59:50] hi amidaniel [07:20:54] hello [07:21:00] i'm trying to figure out how i can make an image link to a page [07:21:14] let's say i have image Xyz.jpg and i want it so that when the user clicks on it, it wil ltake them to article Abc [07:29:01] o/ perthro [07:29:52] frozenskimo: The easiest way is to use the imagemap extension [07:40:19] ../o ? [07:41:40] <_wooz> lo [07:41:41] 03(CLOSED) Illegal XHTML for navigation is created - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10659 (10bkuehl) [07:45:20] http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Fox_News_left_their_image_directory_open & http://www.foxnews.com/cgi-bin/ [07:59:51] 03(mod) Link to talk page in block log message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10655 (10fearow00) [08:02:11] 03(mod) Linker::userToolLinks and friends should not require a user ID - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 +comment (10fearow00) [08:03:38] 03(mod) Link to talk page in block log message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10655 (10robchur) [08:04:28] Linker::userToolLinks($name.contains("."), $name) [08:04:56] Three points to each person who can identify a flaw in the above line of code. [08:05:11] Arg I am trying to set up my mediawiki [08:05:31] 6toe.com/wiki/ but the install points me to my index page [08:05:43] even after removing the .htaxs [08:05:51] There are a total of 12 points available. [08:06:00] dmb062082: Please be specific. [08:06:18] well I am trying to go to http://www.6toe.com/wiki/config/index.php [08:06:45] it directs me to my main site index while keeping the original wiki url syntax [08:07:07] i just assumed it was due to my htaccess so I deleted it and that does not help at all [08:07:08] Is there perhaps some configured alias which would mean /config/ has special meaning? [08:08:09] TheFearow, image map is ugly [08:08:46] TheFearow: Perhaps you can identify the flaws? [08:09:59] robchurch: I used java syntax [08:10:13] For String manipulation? That is one flaw. [08:10:21] robchurch: Because I cbf looking up the PHP function [08:10:27] I only look things up when actually coding :p [08:11:42] Incorrect scoping. Logic error with respect to interpreting what an anonymous user is. [08:11:54] Ahh [08:12:08] I want !$user.contains(".") [08:12:17] Hardly. [08:12:24] But I got that wrong anyway, because its not all what it is [08:12:45] I thought they were identified by the . in their name? [08:12:54] Perhaps it would be prudent to, er, look up the correct syntax when you're *arguing on a matter of code quality* [08:12:56] Certainly not. [08:13:22] My argument was that user objects allow a lot more flexibility, not the specific example [08:13:50] *robchurch shrugs [08:14:17] I don't know exactly anyway - I wrote a patch to add flexibility, and apparentally its already made, just not that easy to implement [08:15:42] I can't find anything that useful to implement, so I do unusual things most people wouldnt consider doing [08:17:57] hello [08:19:09] Hey [08:19:28] robchurch: In practice, you dont want group names longer than 50 chars, right? [08:21:03] anyone knows how to use WebStore? I do not know how to setup $wgWebStoreSettings['scalerAccessRanges'] [08:26:54] | ug_group | char(16) | NO | PRI | | | [08:55:19] I am lost, mediawiki /config/index.php points to my server root [08:55:38] No install for me [08:58:23] 03robchurch * r24329 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: s/one time/once/ [09:05:35] Editing the "MediaWiki" namespace is defined by the editinterface permission rather than the standard protect permission, correct? [09:27:03] 03(NEW) More descriptive landing page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10665 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (fearow00) [09:27:12] Wow, wikibugs is fast [09:29:08] 14(DUP) Change name of no.wikibooks' project namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10555 +comment (10herman) [09:29:10] 03(mod) Namespace and site rename on Norwegian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10641 +comment (10herman) [09:34:45] NO! [09:34:52] Some evil person disabled redirecting to Userlogout [09:39:19] moorning [09:41:30] hi Raymond_ [09:47:56] Is $result = Database::query("SELECT * FROM table;"); a good way to get queries, or do I have to get a Database object? [09:48:43] you need an object [09:48:51] the object encapsulates the db connection [09:48:57] Ahh, I saw it referred to it that wa in comments, but I thought it did [09:49:02] calling that method the static way is going to fail. [09:49:22] Whats the easiest way of getting a database object? [09:49:24] well, that's the qualified name of the method. but not the correct way to call it [09:50:10] Whats the code to get the Database object? I've been trying to find it [09:50:21] TheFearow: $dbr = wfGetDB( DB_SLAVE ); [09:50:38] use $dbw = ... DB_MASTER if you need to *write* to the db [09:50:40] Ok. Is all data on slave automatically? [09:51:00] yes, but subject to replication lag. [09:51:16] on wikimedia sites, that's up to 30 seconds (after that, write access is locked until the slaves have cought up) [09:51:19] Ahh ok. The stuff i'm reading isnt really critical [09:51:29] use slaves then [09:51:33] Its likely to be changed about once every 6 months or less [09:51:44] so replag shouldnt be a problem [09:52:09] if the query is non-critical, and bound to be done often, consider using the object cache [09:52:21] err, non-trivial [09:52:24] Itll be done once per execute [09:52:25] i.e. not very fast [09:52:33] once per execute of what? [09:52:42] Of mediawiki [09:52:49] every page load? [09:52:58] in that case, do use the cache. [09:53:00] That seems the easiest way, yes [09:53:06] Is it difficult? [09:53:16] The problem for me is, its multiple queries [09:53:21] I think ill work on something easier [09:53:27] no, caching stuff isn't hard. purging the cache is the tricky bit [09:53:38] but if it's not critical, simply let it time out after a few hours or something [09:53:58] *especially* use the cache if it's multiple queries [09:53:59] Ill show you what im doing [09:54:37] http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71188-46dd [09:54:53] I was considering doing it as a JOIN, but i was going to do that once I get it working [09:55:49] doesn't matter. if you plan to use it on a decently busy site, you should use the object cache [09:55:56] let me look at how it's done, it has been a while... [09:57:05] It was meant for wikimedia [09:57:13] As devs hate editing configs, and often new groups are wanted [09:57:26] And wikipedia etc is rather busy [09:57:57] then you MUST use the object cache [09:58:11] I'll work on something easier [09:58:24] TheFearow: it's trivial [09:58:53] TheFearow: global $wgMemc; $wgMemc->put($key, $value, $expiry); $wgMemc->get($key); [09:58:58] $expiry is in secopnds. [09:59:17] if get returns null, re-run the query and put the result into the cache [09:59:20] trivial [10:03:04] Anyway, i'm going to bed [10:03:17] Also, the object cache may be a good bet, but ill see [10:03:40] it's essential for almost anything you want to do on wikimedia sites [10:03:47] Thanks! [10:03:48] Night [10:03:49] anything that is run often and would need the db [10:03:55] good night to you [10:19:27] 03(mod) Logged on as someone else. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6464 (10Platonides) [10:22:15] 03(mod) Add magic word to open article with TOC hidden - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10658 (10Platonides) [10:35:28] lalala [10:42:22] is it possible to have a table height between 1 and 2?\ [10:44:45] hm? 1 and 2 what? [10:45:04] well, I would like to have a height of 1.5px [10:45:17] i tried %, but that did not work [10:45:31] 1.5px?? for a table? [10:45:38] o_O [10:45:43] I have 2px...that is too big [10:46:00] i don't get it - why do you want a *table* that small? [10:46:13] and pixels are kind of atomic, i guess :) [10:46:14] small? it is not that small [10:46:15] <_mary_kate_> how do you expect the browser to draw a 1.5px table? [10:46:22] <_mary_kate_> you can't draw half a pixel [10:46:26] EK_123: two pixels is... small. [10:46:33] hmm maybe im doing something wrong lol [10:46:44] but i see a big differance between 1 and 2 [10:46:48] well, what are you *trying* to do? [10:47:58] well I have 10 tables right below eachother [10:48:09] I would like to adjust the height [10:48:12] of each table [10:48:59] somehow if I do "height: 20;" nothing happens [10:49:08] <_mary_kate_> you forget the unit [10:49:15] but when I do "height: 20px;" I do get a large table [10:49:23] very large [10:49:44] so when I try 2px...then the table is like 8cm in height [10:49:45] well, to what your you applying that? and is that in a style attribute=?# [10:50:13] yes [10:50:23] also, a fixed hight for a table is icky - it's not even in the html standard, afaik... [10:50:32] | style="height:1px; font-size:90%; background:#F1FAFF; border:2px solid #C6E4F2; border-top:0; border-bottom:1px solid #C6E4F2; padding:.5em .5em .5em 23px" |

[10:50:34] uh, that seems *very* odd. [10:50:39] this is what I have [10:50:59] <_mary_kate_> mixing em and px like that is disgusting [10:51:02] EK_123: you have rather big padding there. [10:51:25] yeah but when I remove the padding, the whole table goes mixed up [10:52:03] like this, it is perfect, but I would like to tune the height a bit [10:52:28] if I could have something between 1px and 2px, it would be perfect for me :) [10:52:33] EK_123: px is pixels. if it turns out as something else for you, something is very broken. [10:53:11] well, I got this from mediawiki table tutorial [10:53:20] so maybe mediawiki is very broken [10:53:46] it passes on the styles to html unchanged... more or less. [10:53:58] have you looked at the html source that is generates? [10:53:59] look at: [10:54:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table [10:54:02] what does the style say there? [10:54:22] what do you mean? [10:55:22] look at the generated html [10:55:31] the source does have the same code [10:55:40] then its unrelated to mediawiki [10:56:29] EK_123: giving a small table hright usually has no effect, because the table grows to accomodate the contents. explicite table hight might even be ignored completely, afaik. [10:56:50] ohh [10:56:53] let me explain [10:56:59] the text is not really in the table [10:57:11] because mediawiki does not support background images [10:57:33] so I have found a workaround to have a background-image into a table with text in it [10:57:58] so this might not look usual [10:59:21] i have to create the table first and then add the text to it (positioning) [10:59:47] if I dont do this, the text can be outside the table (even half inside and half outside) [11:00:01] that is why I need fixed heights [11:02:31] I guess there is no solution to this? [11:03:44] EK_123: there's no solution i know that would work in all browsers. [11:04:20] EK_123: you can in theory just use divs, and make the inner divs fill the outder diff to 100% using position_absolute or something [11:04:24] but is it good to remove the padding maybe? [11:04:26] that doesn't work in msie though [11:05:05] mess css stuff like that is tricky. [11:05:14] if you get it working, make sure it works in all browsers [11:05:33] look at the "click" template that is used for image links on en.wikipedia, perhaps [11:05:36] it does simethign similar. [11:05:48] buti gotta go [11:05:49] bbl [11:06:11] thnx anyway [11:47:09] 03(NEW) Create system message MediaWiki:Sysop.js - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10666 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (innocentkiller) [11:48:20] hi :) is it possible to turn off anonymous editing and account creation in mediawiki? [11:49:28] <^demon> asymingt: Yes [11:51:11] asymingt_: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; in LocalSetting.php [11:51:30] ialexandre: thanks [11:51:42] and $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; [11:52:34] that makes a lot of sense :) i was looking for more general setting [11:52:37] <^demon> Does create cascade under edit? [11:52:48] but i see how it is achieved - thank you [11:53:09] asymingt_: for more options see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgGroupPermissions [11:53:53] 03(mod) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57 (10dejan.papez) [11:57:56] <^demon> For the record, programming to "Beautiful Things" by Andain is very relaxing. [12:05:29] 03(mod) Add revisionId to ArticleSaveComplete hook - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9595 (10seventowers) [12:09:08] <^demon> What's the easiest way of checking if a user is a sysop? [12:11:03] Hi [12:11:08] <^demon> hi [12:23:31] ^demon: $wgUser->getEffectiveGroups() and then check if there is sysop in the array [12:23:40] <^demon> Thanks. [12:24:36] in_array( 'sysop', $wgUser->getEffectiveGroups()) [12:26:21] Hi. How should I force the use of a different skin in the event that the user has a browser that I've not done the fixes for? [12:26:46] <^demon> ialexandre: So to only make something for sysops, you'd do: [12:26:49] <^demon> if (in_array( 'sysop', $wgUser->getEffectiveGroups())) { [12:27:25] ^demon: yes [12:28:37] 03(mod) Create system message MediaWiki:Sysop.js - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10666 (10innocentkiller) [12:29:00] <^demon> ialexandre: If you've got a second to check out that bug, I'd appreciate feedback on my code. [12:29:55] ^demon: sorry, i have to go [12:30:01] <^demon> It's ok, thanks again for the help. [12:30:37] MartinCleaver: there's no way apart from crude js hacks that would basically mean requesting each page twice. [12:31:22] <^demon> Either that, or you can limit use of skins to one specific skin. [12:31:23] MartinCleaver: basically, if a user has a browser that doesn't work well with the default skin, let him choose a different skin the the preferences. use a skin that works for all as default for anons. [12:32:08] <^demon> $wgSkipSkins - if you only want to limit them to one skin. [12:32:38] ^demon: well i assume he wants them to use his custom skin, but that doesn't work with all browsers. [12:33:06] <^demon> Yeah I guess you're right. [12:38:46] Thanks. Yes, I've customized monobook to match my site [12:39:01] but I can't / don't have the patience to test for all browser [12:39:20] It works well under FF2 and IE7 and ok under IE6 [12:39:50] (IE6: Apart from the damn personal controls) [12:39:56] 03(mod) Install DynamicPageList on Dutch Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6163 +comment (10j_dunnewold) [12:40:18] IE 5.5 and below: it's bound to be broken in horrible ways. [12:40:36] MartinCleaver: well, Opera and Safari/Konqueror would be the other essential ones i guess. [12:40:43] Opera etc. I should care but I have other priorities right now [12:40:53] 5.5 is iportant when dealing with people fron low-tech palces [12:41:02] ignore stuff older than 5.5 :) [12:41:18] What's that site that automates browser screen dumps? [12:41:32] http://browsershots.org/ ? [12:42:31] *MartinCleaver queues http://browsershots.org/website/http://wiki.wikiconsulting.com/index.php/Main_Page#success [13:06:09] Can I get from mediawiki an unformatted page? I want to use a page to contain the menu structure that I have going across the top of the page [13:06:39] i.e. http://wiki.wikiconsulting.com/index.php/Site_menu_structure has two bullet points. I want these to go into the grey bar like so: [13:06:41] http://wiki.wikiconsulting.com/index.php/Site_menu_structure [13:06:46] same same [13:07:15] currently I hardcoded the menu content into my Skin's PHP file [13:07:36] MartinCleaver: use a system message (i.e. MediaWiki:Site_menu_structure), the use wgMsg (or wgMsgForContent or one of the 10 other variants) to fetch it. [13:07:46] MartinCleaver: this is how MediaWiki:Sidebar works... [13:08:01] 03vrandezo * r24330 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_NAry.php: Export to RDF added [13:08:27] *MartinCleaver googles [13:08:33] thanks Duesentrieb [13:09:26] 03vrandezo * r24331 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_WikiPage.php: Checks if we export OWL Full [13:09:36] 40 hits for http://www.google.ca/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=apc&q=wgMsg&btnG=Search&meta= [13:09:45] 1 hit for http://www.google.ca/search?q=wgMsgForContent&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [13:10:24] MartinCleaver: wfMsg, not wgMsg, sorry [13:10:29] 03vrandezo * r24332 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Settings.php: Adds flag for OWL Full export [13:10:30] thanks [13:10:50] 03vrandezo * r24333 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made export leaner [13:13:33] There been much talk about merging wpmu and mediawiki? [13:14:46] wpmu? [13:14:55] wordpress multiuser [13:15:46] <^demon> Why would we merge WP and MW? [13:16:00] more so, how? [13:16:05] seen suitetwo ? [13:16:17] wouldn't that be like trying to merge, say, firefox and konqueror? [13:16:23] sec - phone call - back in a bit [13:16:36] different - one blog other wiki [13:16:47] that, too. [13:17:20] <^demon> I still don't see why you would want to merge blog and wiki software. Aren't there MW extensions that add blogs? [13:17:52] http://www.socialtext.com/node/119 [13:18:00] back in 20 [13:20:34] <^demon> Duesentrieb: I still don't see why... [13:20:52] he nither [13:21:15] well, having a common code platform for a wiki and a blog system, allowing them to be mixed and matched, would be nice. [13:21:33] Hello guys, do you know by chance if there is something like a "shoutbox" for mediawiki? [13:21:36] i can't really see how merging the codebase of two totally different projects would help with that though [13:22:10] EK_123: you could use the TalkHere extension to get something a bit like that. [13:22:22] thnx Duesentrieb [13:22:27] maybe there are other extensions that do it better, don't know [13:22:43] ok, but you have help me a lot already :D so thnx million times [13:25:21] Duesentrieb, nice you are the author of TalkHere :D [13:25:34] that's why i recommend it :) [13:25:54] is there also an example? [13:27:15] EK_123: http://brightbyte.de/page/Think_of_the_children [13:27:47] EK_123: i use it for talkback in the main namespace. but you can restrict it to the user namespace, as a shoutbox feature, if you like. [13:27:52] positioning can be done with css. [13:28:11] nice, great [13:29:08] ok back [13:29:31] y, there's always the question of wiki-centric vs. hotch-potch of two systems [13:30:50] MartinCleaver: so? what does that have to do with mergin to concrete implementations? [13:35:01] well, you'd get the (beneficial/detrimental) effects of two customer bases, two developer communities [13:35:22] there's some acceptance that both functionality sets are useful [13:38:46] MartinCleaver: but merging two totally unrelated codebases is pretty much impossible. a silly idea, really. following your arguments, you could also suggest to merge, oh, i don't know, gmail and slashdot, or whatever. [13:39:14] ok. no prob. I'm too busy to argue ;) [13:39:17] writing something that merges the concepts - sure, why not. [13:39:21] hey, wfMsgForContent is not what I wanted [13:39:23] but the code? no way. [13:39:40] It translates a system message according to preferences [13:39:59] I want the bare content for a page [13:40:08] *MartinCleaver read ----:---F1 GlobalFunctions.php (PHP Abbrev)--L318--15%-------------------- [13:40:51] MartinCleaver: err, that's the same thing... the translation *is* the base contents of a page. [13:41:12] MartinCleaver: if that üpage exists. if not, the message is taken from the language file. [13:43:10] oh, well I got the name of the page back. [13:43:24] Should I use the _'s in the name? [13:43:55] yes [13:44:05] Simetrical|away: remember how i broke my wiki moving from /w to /wiki? I figured out what went wrong, the .htaccess file still referred to /w. That was simple. ;) [13:44:11] *MartinCleaver tries without [13:44:12] well, per convention, systen messages have no blanks or _s in the name. it should work with _ though [13:44:34] Are system messages defined in pages? [13:44:36] you'll get back if the page doesn't exist (not NULL) or something. [13:44:43] yes, in pages [13:44:46] MediaWiki:foo [13:44:51] is the system message foo. [13:45:04] So I have $header = wfMsgForContent('Site menu structure'); [13:45:15] and I get back: [13:45:40] because MediaWiki:Site_menu_structure doesn't exist. [13:45:47] i'd also not use blanks there. [13:45:55] not sure if the cache will like it. [13:45:55] I had it with _ before [13:46:18] when you say: "MediaWiki:" [13:46:24] is this the default namespace? [13:46:56] should I have this page not in the default namespace but some place only I can see? [13:47:22] e.g. http://wiki.wikiconsulting.com/index.php/Me:Site_menu_structure ? [13:47:29] no. [13:47:34] it's the MediaWiki namespace [13:47:37] as in MediaWiki [13:47:49] like, you know, type "MediaWiki" [13:48:01] If I put it in there, and upgrade, what happens to my page? [13:48:11] nothing [13:48:25] customized messages stay as they are [13:48:45] what's the user's default namespace called? [13:49:14] there's no user's default namespace. there'sa default user namespace... [13:49:21] called "User", surprisingly. [13:50:00] $header = wfMsgForContent('User:Site_menu_structure'); doesn't do me any favours either [13:50:11] i.e. I get back "" [13:50:20] *sigh* [13:50:26] it doesn't work like that [13:50:40] wfMsgForContent('foo') retrieves MediaWiki:foo [13:50:46] you can't do that for the user namespace [13:51:12] can I wiki edit http://wiki.wikiconsulting.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Site_menu_structure ? [13:51:28] there are other ways to get page content, of course, but they are much slower, and thus not a good choice when generating a menu, etc [13:51:44] MartinCleaver: yes. that's what i have been telling you for about half an hour... [13:51:45] caching is okay by me [13:51:48] *Duesentrieb is impatient today [13:51:52] *Duesentrieb should go and do something else [13:51:55] I see no edit button on http://wiki.wikiconsulting.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Site_menu_structure [13:52:08] ah. one sec. [13:52:45] hmm. better. [13:53:03] is this namespace cached for performance? [13:53:24] <^demon> Yes. [13:53:39] <^demon> All namespaces are cached by default. [13:53:49] system messages are cached extra [13:54:20] on a lower level, for use while building the interface [13:54:27] this is weird. The first time I was able to edit by hitting the red 'message' link. The second time that same link was a view action, not edit [13:54:46] MartinCleaver: are you logged in? [13:54:49] yes [13:54:53] is it protected? [13:54:55] err. [13:55:10] a link is always "view", unless it's red. if it's red, it's an edit action [13:55:17] so you can create stuff that doesn't exist yet [13:55:22] its the same with all wiki links... [13:55:28] anyway, off for now. [13:55:33] thanks Duesentrieb [13:57:21] I get the literal page contents back [13:57:41] so if I write "* foo" I don't get back "

foo" - fair enough [13:57:43] but [13:57:52] how best to apply a transform to the content [13:57:59] because I want back: [13:58:14] e.g.

[13:58:14] Home [13:58:14]

[13:58:21] but to write: [13:58:37] * [[http://wiki.wikiconsulting.com Home]] or whatever [13:58:55] is there a way I can apply the transform? [14:00:20] maybe HTML is good enough for now [14:04:05] hi, i just installed 1.10.1 last week and it was working fine, on sunday it's now throwing "you have not specified a valid user name" for any user that tries to login, including WikiSysop ... specs on server are Apache 2.0.55, PHP 5.1.6, mySQL 5.0.24 ... any ideas? [14:04:06] ok. Ugly but functional [14:04:18] ^ referring to own issue [14:06:06] earlmred: your own server or shared? [14:06:36] I have a feature request, I have a number of uses for a variation on __TOC__ that allows the inclusion of the table of contents for another page, eg __TOCPAGE=pagename__ [14:06:48] brion-office own, just did a clean install of ubuntu 6.06 since we were having this problem on an old server running fc1 [14:07:00] brion-office clean install, new server. [14:09:32] confirm the user record is in the database, and that you're accessing the correct tables (prefix etc) [14:10:07] brion-office yes, i just checked all of the users are still in the database, and it's pulling all of the correct content [14:10:38] is it possible to make template that has variable amount of parameters? [14:11:02] brion-office an dthere's no prefix [14:14:30] earlmred: can you first confirm that DefaultSettings.php is the shipped version, that it contains a setting for $wgMaxNameChars ? [14:14:35] *MartinCleaver looks for the way to shorten urls, removing index.php with a trick .htacccess [14:15:11] *MartinCleaver finds http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL [14:15:45] brion-office $wgMaxNameChars = 255; # Maximum number of bytes in username [14:15:54] brion-office it looks to be the shipped version to me [14:17:19] i'll update my edgy isntall and see if i can repro [14:17:30] for example if I want to make general-menu template but for each context I need of course different amount of menu items [14:17:31] ok. out of these solutions. I don't care how I need to organize the files on the disk, but I want the wiki pages to be at the top of the url structure e.g. wiki.wikiconsulting.com/Page_Name. I have root access. [14:17:34] brion-office i'm actually on dapper drake; 6.06 [14:17:41] oh [14:17:45] well, sucks to be you [14:17:46] brion-office it worked for about 5 days, and then just stopped. [14:18:05] brion-office i checked logs and no new packages were installed/updated [14:18:06]