[00:00:03] brion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX6bxteDYBQ [00:00:39] hi all, hope you can help. I want to put a link on a Wiki page to take the user back to where they came from (referer). Is there a magic word for the referer? How do idetermine the referer? [00:01:14] Varange: write an extension - a parser function, most likely. [00:02:34] Varange, there are PHP variables that will automatically contain the referer. See PHP documentation for them. [00:02:56] I can add PHP code to Wiki pages? [00:03:01] No. [00:03:05] You need to write an extension. [00:03:16] damn, more learning :) [00:03:18] Note that the referer isn't really reliable, so users might click on your link only to be taken nowhere, which would be puzzling. You'll want to check that the referer is a valid URL and not display it if it isn't. [00:03:36] good point, thanks. [00:03:49] In particular, referers may be suppressed for privacy, and they'll of course be blank if the user goes straight to the page from a bookmark, manually typed URL, etc. [00:04:09] Is it hard to add existing extensions to mediawiki? It seems to me someone has probably written such an extension [00:04:14] <_DannyB|backup> besides they can be faked [00:04:41] Duesentrieb: because then we'd have to change every row's length fields to chars instead of bytes, and that kinda sucks [00:04:48] Varange, you need to know how to write PHP, and you should understand basic concepts like what a hook is. Given that it shouldn't be too hard. [00:04:51] _DannyB|backup, but they only get faked to get access to porn stuff, and I would not know the first thing about that of course ;0 [00:05:12] Simetrical, yep, all that I do - so should be ok [00:05:31] brion: i'd make a new column, default to NULL, and write the data on save. [00:05:45] I'd just run a job. [00:08:44] <_DannyB|backup> brion: what was the last message you saw? [00:09:00] <_DannyB|backup> guys were suggesting some solutions [00:09:42] [8:05pm] Simetrical: I'd just run a job. [00:10:05] <_DannyB|backup> so you saw both [00:10:16] ya [00:10:33] <_DannyB|backup> so what do you think about new column? [00:10:40] what for? [00:10:53] <_DannyB|backup> char length [00:10:55] all that matters is that sizes are consistent [00:11:49] 03(WONTFIX) Create system message MediaWiki:Sysop.js - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10666 +comment (10innocentkiller) [00:12:52] brion: well, the point in case was people on chinese wikis etc would see 3-5x larger size differences. Also screws up statistics, etc. if the data isn't expensive to get, it would be nice to have. though i would be a bit scared to change the meaning of an existing field. [00:15:50] those size changes would remain self-consistent [00:16:05] there's no benefit to changing it that i can think of [00:16:37] you can tell large changes from small ones, and large pages from small ones, and they order pretty well [00:16:53] it makes no difference what the units are, they're fairly well consistent within themselves [00:17:10] <_DannyB|backup> brion: chars are much more descriptive and acurate [00:17:10] yea, as long as you only compare pages on one wiki. [00:17:18] <_DannyB|backup> exactly [00:17:21] also, people wonder. they don't know about character encodings. [00:17:23] Duesentrieb: which is all you should ever do [00:17:33] different languages use different numbers of characters [00:17:35] <_mary_kate_> you can't compare chinese chars to english chars anyway [00:17:39] <_mary_kate_> in chinese, one char is a whole word [00:17:47] true [00:17:51] a sentence in spanish is usually much longer than the english equivalent in letters [00:17:54] so [00:18:00] let's change the counts for spanish [00:18:03] add a fudge factor [00:18:08] <_DannyB|backup> russina azbuka takes 2 or 3 bytes same geek or hebrew [00:18:17] a spanish character counts now as only 70% of a character [00:18:19] that'll fix it! [00:18:19] 03(NEW) Ability to tweak blocks without unblocking - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10673 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (innocentkiller) [00:18:48] pages on wiktionary tend to be shorter than wikipedia pages, too [00:18:54] so how about we adjust them? [00:19:03] let's make wiktionary characters count as 5 wikipedia characters [00:19:08] then we can compare them! [00:19:26] <_DannyB|backup> well, the deal is that you use both 1 byte and more bytes chars so you can't even make simple division [00:19:47] i hope you realized i was joking :) [00:20:42] <^demon> brion: We could print off both enwiki and enwikt and compare the stacks of paper :-P [00:20:55] <_DannyB|backup> imagine article with 10 chinese chars and 100 ascii (iw eg.) (=150bytes) and another with 30chinese chars (=150 bytes) how you can say which one is longer? [00:21:31] _DannyB|backup: that's my point! it's a meaningless comparison [00:21:37] <_mary_kate_> danny: if you count using chars, the first one is now 110 chars, and the second is 30. but the second is clearly longer. [00:21:43] <_mary_kate_> danny: so you gained nothing [00:22:09] you'd have to compare semantic content to make a meaningful comparison [00:22:11] 03(mod) Ability to tweak blocks without unblocking - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10673 +comment (10Alkivar) [00:22:20] how much information is contained in each? [00:22:26] that's hard to determine from a character count [00:22:39] brion: i guess the entire point is: if this is info we show to *people*, use a unip people can relate to. characters. not bytes. [00:23:01] but it's not a big deal to me anyway [00:23:10] morning Brion, _mary_kate_ , Daniel [00:23:12] <_DannyB|backup> let me ask different way: would adding of new column a) block anything b) consume resources c) be hard to program d) any other negative thing? [00:23:30] how do you use $wgLogo [00:23:37] <_DannyB|backup> !logo Brandonpc [00:23:46] <_DannyB|backup> no mwbot here? [00:24:10] <_DannyB|backup> !logo [00:24:10] The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by the $wgLogo configuration setting in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply need to change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo image. See for more information. [00:24:20] <_DannyB|backup> Brandonpc: see above [00:24:45] *Sundance_Raphael waves [00:24:56] 03(NEW) Update for Thai language (th) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10674 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (manop) [00:25:12] where do i put $wgLogo in localsettings.php [00:25:19] 03(mod) Update for Thai language (th) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10674 (10manop) [00:25:49] <_DannyB|backup> Duesentrieb: yes, that's the major benefit - i get confused reactions from users almost every day saying - the rc/history says the article has X chars but i counted only Y [00:26:59] <_DannyB|backup> Brandonpc: pretty much anywhere, i'd say [00:27:34] hi, me again. I've created a category, now I'd like to have a link to that category page. I can't use [[Category:Companies]] because that creates the link at the bottom of the page, which is not the effect I want. How to please? [00:27:59] <_DannyB|backup> Varange: [[:Category:Companies]] [00:28:05] <_DannyB|backup> mind the leading colon [00:28:12] every time i put $wgLogo anywhere in localsettings.php i get an error [00:28:31] <^demon> Brandonpc: Are you properly quoting it, etc? [00:28:47] huh [00:29:00] can some one help me? [00:29:04] give me an example [00:29:20] <_DannyB|backup> Brandonpc: you'd rather paste what you wrote [00:30:02] _DannyB|backup, thanks [00:30:10] Can some one help me? When i log in and access another page it logs me out. I think something is wrong with the php secesion. I installed wiki twice. [00:30:22] <_DannyB|backup> Varange: you're welcome [00:30:26] _DannyB|backup: fields would have to be added (an extra operational annoyance) in numerous places, then you'd have to populate them before using them or you've got inconsistent state information [00:30:37] so basically it'd be a pain in the ass [00:30:49] give me an example of how you would use $wgLogo [00:31:18] just change the wiwki logo in the template folder [00:31:28] =p [00:31:40] $wgLogo = "../skins/varange/emalogo.png"; [00:31:53] does that help? [00:31:58] <_DannyB|backup> brion: where else than in either revision or text table? it can be only in one table. and doesn't have to be neccessary used on wiki directly. but can be prepared for extensions or toolserver data mining etc. [00:32:05] what file is that in ? [00:32:10] recentchanges [00:32:35] should really be in "../skins/youskinname/imagesmylogo.png"; [00:32:55] new extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PJIRC testing it on MW 1.7 would be appreciated [00:33:00] <_DannyB|backup> brion: as i said - it doesn't have to be in use (to show it on pages) it can be for stat purposes only and eg. special pages such as shortest/longestpages [00:33:01] Can some one help me? When i log in and access another page it logs me out. I think something is wrong with the php secesion. I installed wiki twice. My wiki is http://frugooscape.net/wiki . Can someone help me? [00:33:27] _DannyB|backup: .... that'd be fucking INSANE [00:33:37] have different counts in three different places? [00:33:41] INSANE [00:33:48] no, no, no and NO [00:33:53] <_DannyB|backup> Frugoo_Scape: don't flood the channel with repeating your question, please... anyway - got cookies enabled? [00:33:53] Frugoo_Scape, I'lll give it a go [00:34:01] if you think they're confused now, wait until it's in different units in different places [00:34:09] yes [00:34:09] then they'll bitch at you insteda of me :D [00:34:14] i do have it enabled [00:34:24] i tried both firefox and ie [00:34:32] yet it still does not work [00:34:37] what version of PHP? [00:34:41] neweset [00:34:46] Frugoo_Scape: your server or shared hosting service? [00:35:02] my computer in my room [00:35:13] windows server 2003 [00:35:26] set session_save_path correctly in php.ini [00:35:30] msql, php, apache and zend [00:35:31] and restart web server [00:35:39] i did 15 min ago [00:35:53] i compleatly restarted the server [00:35:54] <_DannyB|backup> brion: i might didn't say it properly - 1) not different types of units on different places, but two units together at once on different places and 2) i was trying to say, if adding of columns is annoying, just add the only one somewhere where it suits best [00:36:08] _DannyB|backup: ewwwwwwww :) [00:36:54] Do i need to enable something with my php? [00:37:37] <_DannyB|backup> what you wrote abova about being confused comes from you misunderstood how i meant it. :-( i never wanted to use bytes on rc and chars in history etc. [00:37:57] Frugoo_Scape, a few questions: 1. where is the www in the URL? 2. Why a Windows box? [00:38:20] hmm? [00:38:23] say if I were to fork a PEAR module and bundle it in MediaWiki... [00:38:40] do you think we should have a lib/ directory in the wiki root? [00:38:40] http://www.frugooscape.net/wiki [00:38:48] <_DannyB|backup> good evening, TimStarling [00:39:14] i got php 5.2 [00:39:22] ok thanks [00:39:28] just checked it [00:39:32] I'm still trying to create an account [00:39:36] <_DannyB|backup> weee, i've found one ancient bug which has a patch since it's been filed but never been added to mw though it's very useful. (bug 4127 if somebody's interested) [00:39:43] alright [00:39:48] Frugoo_Scape, what speed is your connection btw? [00:40:09] lol im using comcast its just i run private servers [00:40:18] im a java freak =p [00:40:34] no idea what comcast is... I'm in New Zealand. What speed? [00:40:42] oh well [00:40:58] its highspeed idk the exact speed on it [00:41:07] it's cable [00:41:32] ok, that's pretty fast. [00:41:43] it loads slow as a wet week here. [00:41:53] yeah, running 2 servers on a router that has other computer on it to slows it down [00:42:20] port 300 is server 2 http port [00:42:31] i call it my secondary server [00:42:55] hi again [00:43:08] hi [00:43:32] here is wat i said while u were gone [00:43:33] 20:41 yeah, running 2 servers on a router that has other computer on it to slows it down [00:43:33] 20:42 port 300 is server 2 http port [00:43:33] 20:42 *** Plasma86 (n=nono@c-75-64-209-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [00:44:15] Frugoo_Scape, first of all I notice that you haven't set up the SMTP server yet. You should do that on your box, but I have no idea how to do that in 'doze, I'm afraid [00:44:43] Do i need a SMTP server? [00:44:46] ok thanks [00:44:59] you do, to allow the wiki to send out emails [00:45:04] Can i just disable? Its only for emails [00:45:05] on a linux box that is simple. [00:45:25] a box with no SMTP server? yuck! [00:45:52] I'll emable it later. I'm more worried about the php problem. [00:46:24] and yes, it has set a cookie on my FF, no prob [00:46:43] Then try to access another page [00:47:03] just trying to make a simple edit ... [00:47:17] Hi jeluf [00:47:54] yes, I see, lost session data [00:48:00] exactly [00:48:30] how do i make an admin account in mediawiki on windows [00:49:09] idk [00:49:16] _DannyB|backup: well changing to chars might be nice someday, but i'm in no hurry about it :) [00:49:54] help [00:50:07] please [00:50:23] lol when u set up wiki it should make an admin for u [00:50:36] You picked the username and pass [00:50:45] =/ [00:51:01] i did not do that when i set it up [00:51:08] <_DannyB|backup> brion: that sounds encouragingly. so if anybody created necessary patches and jobs and whatever needed it could be done [00:51:08] well you set it up [00:51:11] and it did make 1 [00:51:23] so you are going 2 have 2 install it again [00:51:30] or find out what you made it [00:51:51] or you can edit your file lol [00:52:05] nod [00:52:40] how do i make AdminSettings.ph [00:52:51] how do i make AdminSettings.php [00:52:51] Varange: do you know how to fix it? [00:52:54] <_DannyB|backup> brion: any possibility to congigure any tool (possibly mailserver, bugzilla or bot) to receive mails about new bugs? (no mod, no close, just new) [00:53:10] not sure what you mean? [00:53:18] Frugoo_Scape, from googling, it seems that the problem is commom [00:53:39] lol so it can be fixed lol! [00:53:46] <_DannyB|backup> i'd like to receive mails when new bug filed but no other like such bug was modified/closed etc. [00:53:47] Bug 12083: 3n1arg3 y00r m3mb3rr!!!! [00:53:57] ah :) [00:54:08] well, filter wikibugs-l for 'New:' in subject line [00:54:22] Varange Is it hard t fix or is it a simple edit? [00:54:24] Frugoo_Scape, this would normally happen if the sessionID that the client sends to the server is different to the one that the server expects for a given page, I'd say. [00:54:36] hmm [00:54:46] Frugoo_Scape, so it would probably relate to your setup of the site [00:54:54] <_DannyB|backup> thx, i'll try [00:54:58] hmm [00:55:01] I'd start by setting apache correctly [00:55:05] still no idea what could be causing it [00:55:11] apache is done correctly [00:55:19] Frugoo_Scape, here's another idea which will probably be easier [00:55:28] i done it before and knew what i was doing [00:56:05] get yourself a VMserver from vmware, fire it up on your box, and install Debian in it [00:56:19] then install mediawiki on debian [00:56:27] that'll probably work [00:56:28] I just dont have wiwki though [00:56:33] i have smf and other stuff [00:56:39] http://frugooscape.net/smf [00:56:44] http://frugooscape.net [00:56:47] yes, I know [00:56:49] so? [00:56:51] hmm [00:57:03] So basicly is my confuration of soemthing [00:57:07] hmm.. [00:57:23] oh, because of the redirect to the other machine? use apach mod-proxy for that [00:57:25] TimStarling: is there a function to get a file via sha key? [00:57:25] Would reinstalling php do anygood? [00:57:31] yes, something in the config [00:57:34] not php [00:57:37] no [00:57:38] apache [00:57:41] TimStarling: aslo, should rebuildimages populate the sha columns? [00:57:49] damn.. [00:57:51] the wrong cookie is being sent [00:57:57] check the sessionIDs [00:57:58] yes [00:58:06] it doesn't :( [00:58:11] What about reinstalling apache? [00:58:45] nope [00:58:52] just set httpd.conf [00:59:00] oh so its in there? [00:59:02] there are loads of docs on mediawiki [00:59:13] hmm [00:59:38] how is your virtual server set up in apache? [00:59:39] TimStarling: well the image table ones seem populated, not oldimage [00:59:46] Frugoo_Scape, one mo pls [00:59:53] on my router? [01:00:28] k brb im going 2 get a drink [01:01:58] ok back [01:03:07] ok, I cleared all cookies, logged in and got the following session ID: 2s8hq4a4fhmj6s627ca5so6sm0 [01:03:22] now I'll edit and see if it keeps that session id [01:03:53] ok [01:05:17] I clicked the Edit link and the sessionID is still 2s8hq4a4fhmj6s627ca5so6sm0 [01:06:18] ok so whats up with it then? [01:06:23] click on Save, still the same sessionID [01:06:28] wow, weird [01:06:42] LOL my server is messing with u lol [01:06:55] send me your LocalSettings file please [01:07:03] umm lol [01:07:09] that has my msql info in it lol [01:07:12] LOL [01:07:24] Windows servers ALWAYS mess with me... I don't know why I bother with this crap [01:07:42] 1 sec [01:07:45] ok [01:08:03] or I'll send you mine [01:08:37] ok im going 2 post it on my wiki home [01:08:44] i took out my pass [01:08:49] http://frugooscape.net/wiki [01:08:59] 1 sec its loading [01:09:12] ok [01:09:54] there ugo [01:09:56] its posted [01:12:34] u see it? [01:12:41] one mo [01:12:45] kk [01:16:00] Frugoo_Scape, ok, here's mine [01:16:02] http://www.marketplacenz.com/wiki/LocalSettings [01:16:19] loading [01:16:26] and yes, you need an SMTP server to send ppl their new passwords when they forget them [01:16:38] it'll be slow, I'm on a 64kBit line [01:16:50] right, gotta get back to work [01:16:50] looks the same except the proxy id [01:17:11] you can't read it THAT fast [01:17:25] go slowly, the devil is in the details [01:17:41] my stuff is at the bottom [01:17:45] k [01:18:19] anyway, good luck with that. I suspect that your answer is in a proper LAMP setup [01:18:40] =0 [01:19:13] You think wiki is worth it? [01:19:16] if you're going to host web stuff, you'll end up there anyway. Especially with Java,... Tomcat just runs SO much nicer on Linux [01:19:30] wiki? depends on your users [01:19:46] My users are from ages 13+ [01:19:53] ok. [01:19:57] My self being 16 u think so? [01:19:59] they discuss stuff? [01:20:09] sure, I tihnk so [01:20:12] Yes, alot. [01:20:20] hmm [01:20:39] yep, get a proper phpBB forum and a wiki, put them on a Linux box, and sleep easy [01:20:41] I would go about this by removing my webserver and installing linux. [01:21:13] no, not. You'd install another webserver on a separate box, either physical or virtual [01:21:32] hmm but would java run better on linux? [01:21:44] then you set up apache mod-proxy on your main server to redirect requests to whatever machine should handle it [01:21:56] everything runs better on Linux [01:22:14] Yeah but windows is more compatible =(. [01:22:25] so - you could have the wiki on one server, the games on another, the forum on a thirs [01:22:33] compatible> [01:22:37] yeah [01:22:44] with what? little old ladies? [01:22:51] ROFL [01:23:05] windows is for end users and little old ladies [01:23:12] I grew up on windows and its easier for me lol [01:23:18] i switched to ubunto and shot my self. [01:23:24] lol and then went back 2 windows lol [01:23:49] ahhh, well. Don't blame your shortcomings on the OS then :) [01:24:00] =( [01:24:22] ok, then I'll let you suffer for a few more years. You'll figure it out eventually, you're still young [01:24:57] hehe [01:24:57] I suggest you join a Linux user group in your area, they'll help you with installs and setup [01:25:08] anyway, gotta go, good luck [01:25:15] Alright thinkas [01:25:20] thanks* [01:28:02] <_DannyB|backup> brion: does the wikibugs bot examine subject, body or both? [01:28:46] both [01:29:20] http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/tools/wikibugs/wikibugs [01:30:52] <_DannyB|backup> i was wondering about if topics were set in wikibugs-l according to subject it would be helpful (eg. it'd save some bandwidth because it wouldn't send mails to those who don't want them) - but therefore the code ow wikibugs bot would have to be changed a bit probably to match the subject correctly i guess [01:31:41] 03aaron * r24348 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.pg.sql FlaggedRevs.sql): *Add PG query, add SHA-1 column [01:32:08] wikibugs bot has nothing to do with wikibugs list other than being a subscriber [01:34:30] If one grew up with linux, linux would be easier for that person. it's all a matter of familliarisation. [01:34:42] <_DannyB|backup> brion: right - but if you set topics in list, it will change the subject line of mail, won't it? therefore the bot would have to correct the regexp for subject line a bit [01:34:59] i have no idea what you're talking about [01:35:20] brion: :) [01:35:37] <_DannyB|backup> brion: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikibugs-l/topics [01:36:03] <_DannyB|backup> or http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikibugs-l/?VARHELP=topics/topics_enabled [01:36:26] hmmmmmmm [01:36:30] <_DannyB|backup> it allows mail filtering on server side [01:36:46] <_DannyB|backup> so unwanted mails aren't sent [01:36:53] moemnt [01:38:34] _DannyB|backup: ok, try it [01:38:41] i've added what hopefully is a 'New' topic [01:38:52] i'm not 100% sure if the match will work :D [01:38:56] let me know [01:39:08] <_DannyB|backup> brion: i'll file new test bug [01:40:53] 03aaron * r24349 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php: *Let sysops still create accounts [01:40:54] 03(NEW) Set topics on wikibugs-l - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10675 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (wikipedia.danny.b) [01:43:22] <_DannyB|backup> looks like it didn't change the subject and it works at the moment. i'll let you know if any problems occur. thanks [01:43:47] yay [01:44:20] brion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Robchurch#Extension:Livelets [01:44:31] ;) [01:45:04] 03(mod) shared attributes for wiki table syntax - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 (10wikipedia.danny.b) [02:02:55] brion: if you query WHERE moo < 35, does it ignore NULL moo columns? [02:03:11] VoiceOfAll: yes [02:03:17] welcome to SQL [02:03:31] actually, that's good [02:03:33] all operations on NULL return no result except for IS NULL and IS NOT NULL [02:03:36] at least... in theory :D [02:05:18] 03aaron * r24350 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (3 files): *Make acr_rejected a timestamp as it should be [02:05:24] *amidaniel pets mysql [02:05:52] I have a CSS related question. [02:06:07] How would I get the tabs to look like this? http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Examplebackground.jpg [02:07:54] <^demon> Sunstone_76: Can't, it's freaky magic. [02:08:03] :P [02:08:36] 03aaron * r24351 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: *Check nullity [02:09:29] Seriously, if not that, could you tell me how to get a tab to fit around the tabs? :P [02:09:54] *get a border to fit... excuse me [02:10:16] <^demon> Not sure offhand. [02:11:36] hmm. Well, thanks anyway. [02:22:37] hey, so maybe not the best place to ask [02:22:49] 03aaron * r24352 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (ConfirmAccount.i18n.php ConfirmAccount_body.php): *Check should be the other way around, add time into reject message [02:22:52] but i'm trying to setup a knowledgebase for my highschool's IT Dept [02:23:01] and. i'm trying to figure out what product to use [02:23:14] i've seen confluence before, and its really pretty [02:23:22] i was wondering if there ia anything similar [02:23:31] out there [02:29:17] 03aaron * r24353 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount.i18n.php: *Fix typo [02:50:22] *amidaniel stabs newegg [02:53:58] 03(mod) Detect and notify user of extremely low (probably accidental) POST limits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10668 (10robchur) [02:55:05] 03(mod) Create system message MediaWiki:Sysop.js - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10666 +comment (10robchur) [02:57:57] *robchurch pokes brion curiously [03:09:24] 03(NEW) ImageMap does not apply for images embedded in tables - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10676 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ImageMap; (danielgutson) [03:22:25] 03(FIXED) Set topics on wikibugs-l - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10675 +comment (10brion) [03:44:47] 03robchurch * r24354 10/trunk/extensions/RandomImage/RandomImage.php: Tweak description [03:55:23] 14(WFM) ImageMap does not apply for images embedded in tables - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10676 +comment (10robchur) [04:03:50] hi all [04:04:19] how do I put an internal anchor on a page.... kinda thing? [04:16:17] 03(mod) Special:Import: "XML import parse failure" and wrong number of imported revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9911 (10wikt.3.connelm) [04:23:56] 03(mod) Special:Import: "XML import parse failure" and wrong number of imported revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9911 (10wikt.3.connelm) [04:38:14] 03(mod) Special:Import: "XML import parse failure" and wrong number of imported revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9911 (10wikt.3.connelm) [04:39:06] *robchurch tries to suppress the feeling of glee at watching someone go insane [04:42:07] 03(mod) XML import and export for use within wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381 +comment (10wikt.3.connelm) [04:42:59] 03(mod) XML import and export for use within wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381 (10wikt.3.connelm) [04:43:46] 03(mod) Special:Import: "XML import parse failure" and wrong number of imported revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9911 (10wikt.3.connelm) [04:52:49] 03(mod) Special:Import: "XML import parse failure" and wrong number of imported revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9911 (10wikt.3.connelm) [04:52:57] 03(mod) Link to talk page in block log message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10655 (10fearow00) [04:56:57] 03(mod) More descriptive landing page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10665 (10fearow00) [04:59:01] Is there any reason the "Privacy Policy" and "About {{SITENAME}}" links should not use nonbreaking spaces? [05:04:01] weeeeeeeeee [05:16:09] hey, is it possible to search a certain phraze in mediawiki? [05:28:11] I'm using mediawiki 1.6.9 because of the php4-support. Is it possible to search phrases with this software, or is it necessary to make an update to a newer version (would be a bit complicated because of my server) [05:43:35] where can i get a changelog of mediawiki? [05:44:44] MediaWiki 1.6.x contains a search engine. [05:44:54] Change logs can be found in the release notes for each version. [05:49:49] 03david * r24355 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtExtension.php: fixed stupid bug with header editing [05:53:23] Whoever made tabindex="1" on the main editing field, [05:53:27] That was boneheaded. [05:54:17] 03david * r24356 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtExtension.php: tabindex on subject field. [06:05:59] hello [06:37:39] hi all [06:37:58] when I run php importDump.php backupfile.xml [06:38:09] my wiki does not change [06:38:21] is this a correct behavior? [06:39:54] 03erik * r24357 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: +2 [06:41:31] 03erik * r24358 10/trunk/tools/planet/de/config.ini: +1 [06:43:56] <_wooz> lo [07:14:30] hi [07:14:55] is there anyway to configure mediawiki so it doesn't capitalize the first letter of very article? [07:15:51] s/very/every [07:25:09] frozeneskimo: yes. [07:25:43] Raymond_, would you please indulge on me? [07:25:53] -on [07:26:26] set $wgCapitalLinks = false; to your localSettings.php [07:26:32] thanks [07:26:37] now [07:26:44] does this mean i have to fix all my image tags? [07:27:21] afaik namespace names are case insensitive. [07:27:36] i will soon fine out [07:27:38] find [07:27:48] [[Image:..]], [[ImAgE:..]] should all work [07:27:55] no [07:27:58] i mean the filename [07:28:03] oh [07:28:47] yup [07:28:47] I fear you have to fix them if you used [[Image:littlename.jpg]] [07:28:48] it matters [07:29:03] OK, I've been trying to get MediaWiki installed for a while now, and I keep getting this error: "Something's not quite right yet; make sure everything below is filled out correctly." [07:29:17] As far as I can tell, everything's filled out, and here's the output at the top: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71236 [07:30:15] Raymond_, no chance i can't rename them from mediawiki? [07:30:30] frozeneskimo: no. images can't be renamed :( [07:30:37] Anyway to know what exactly "isn't quite right"? [07:30:38] :( [07:30:45] Raymond_, oh well, the wiki is young, there's only 3 of them [07:36:02] Anyone? [07:50:06] galador: Any red text? [07:50:44] Only the red text that shows up by the password and Wiki name fields [07:51:03] What does it say? [07:51:14] Must not be blank or "MediaWiki" [07:51:19] Must not be blank [07:51:30] Same as what shows up when you first load the page [07:51:51] (And I definitely filled in those fields) [07:52:24] galador: What is the value of max_post_size in PHP.ini? The exact value, character-for-character? [07:53:17] Just a sec [07:53:52] 03jeluf * r24359 10/trunk/extensions/geoserver/geoserver.psql: add an index [07:54:06] I'm on a shared host, so I can't actually read the php.ini file, so will output from phpinfo() suffice? [07:54:14] It might. [07:55:23] post_max_size 60M [07:55:27] That it? [07:56:06] 60M for both local and master values [07:57:23] *robchurch pulls a face [07:57:30] Thought it was going to be another http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10668. [07:58:07] 03raymond * r24360 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesTh.php: [07:58:07] * (bug 10674) Update Thai translation [07:58:09] Patch by Manop K [07:58:19] Haha, sorry. [07:59:01] is there an option that disables watchlists ? [07:59:21] no [07:59:47] anybody know what exactly triggers that "Contents" table of contents box at the top of articles when you're making sections with the == abc == notation? [07:59:47] watchlist can be utterly useless for some wikis [07:59:59] Useless in the eye of the person running the wiki. [08:00:15] However, watchlists are completely harmless, do not affect other users, and there is no good reason to remove or disable them. [08:00:32] frozeneskimo: Some voodoo in the parser. [08:00:34] robchurch, my wiki has no users [08:01:06] Then it's not a wiki. [08:01:15] lol [08:01:44] robchurch, many wiki's arent wiki's by definition [08:02:07] robchurch, do you know how i can get that contents table turned on on a particular page? [08:02:11] Yes, well, I'm not interested in debating what is and what isn't a wiki. [08:02:23] I certainly do. [08:02:34] would you please share how with me? [08:02:35] please? [08:02:51] you're like Raymond_ :P [08:03:19] I also know that if you search the very recent mediawiki-l mailing list archives, you will find that information. You would also find it if you searched the web briefly, or perhaps searched for "force table of contents" in Wikipedia's help system. [08:03:57] __FORCETOC__ [08:04:12] robchurch, i couldn't recognize it under these searches on mediawiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=table+of+contents&go=Go http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=contents+table&go=Go [08:04:54] robchurch, do you use see it in any of the results there? [08:05:18] 03(mod) Change block details without unblocking ("edit" blocks) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10673 summary; +comment (10robchur) [08:05:30] I think I've just given you the answer. [08:05:46] 03(FIXED) Update for Thai language (th) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10674 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [08:05:48] robchurch, that doesn't answer the question [08:05:56] What bloody question? [08:05:56] robchurch, you're educating me to search the mediawiki mailing lists, and the wikipedia help [08:06:04] do you use see it in any of the results there? [08:06:18] but i searched, in my opinion, the most reasonable place to find the answer [08:06:21] the mediawiki documentation itself [08:06:24] You're missing the magic word, which is "force table of contents" [08:06:31] lolz [08:06:32] robchurch, are you kidding me? [08:06:36] what kind of keyword system is that? [08:06:49] "table of contents" no, "contents table" no [08:07:05] "force table of contents" also returns sweet fuck-all on MediaWiki.org [08:07:09] robchurch, i think someone ought to attend to the mediawiki documentation [08:07:11] No surprise; bug #1 still stands. [08:07:17] Really? Maybe you should do it. [08:07:23] why me? i'm a user [08:07:34] Are you suggesting that I should do it? [08:07:42] robchurch, i'm not suggesting anything [08:07:49] robchurch, i'm denying the responsibility for myself [08:08:04] Anyway, I advised you to search the web or Wikipedia, knowing that both would probably yield better results than MediaWiki.org. [08:08:26] It's a fairly well known issue that MediaWiki.org has very little in the way of day-to-day support. [08:08:32] i had no idea [08:09:10] Good job you aren't paying for this software, really, isn't it. [08:09:26] robchurch, now you know, that when a stupid user comes running with a question, it's best to save time and say that the mediawiki documentation is still "getting there" and it'd be a good idea to try the wikipedia editing documentation [08:09:50] I already knew that, which is why I specifically referred to the Wikipedia documentation. [08:10:12] yeah, but you spoke in a connotation that i can't search for shit [08:10:16] implying that* [08:10:28] robchurch, that i don't appreciate, and i couldn't understand [08:10:51] robchurch, which is why i was informing you that i had tried the mediawiki documentation, which is where this kind of information would be easy to find [08:11:02] Not at all. I suggested specific locations to search. Knowing that there was recent, directly relevant information on the mailing list. Knowing that Wikipedia help was better than the stuff on MediaWiki.org. [08:11:36] i think the point here is that there are users that don't know that the mediawiki.org documentation is lacking [08:12:07] What do you suggest we do about that, then? [08:12:13] add it to the topic [08:12:46] There are a number of us who sit in this IRC channel on a regular basis, directing people to the FAQ, or more relevant information, or otherwise answering questions. [08:13:13] robchurch, so? what's your point? [08:13:49] My point is that we therefore apparently do cater for those people who don't find what they're looking for, and occasionally, people who probably would have found it had they bothered to check the FAQ, which is what the topic says. [08:14:22] If we put "MW.org sucks" in the topic, then nobody is likely to go over there, find that a particular subject is poorly documented, and expand upon it. [08:14:41] If we note in several places that, actually, yeah it does suck a bit, and feel free to help out, then everybody wins. [08:14:57] robchurch, then i think the latter is appropriate [08:15:26] robchurch, for the record, my question isn't covered in the mediawiki faq [08:15:33] You seem to be calling me to justify myself for telling you where to look for better information, despite the fact that I then told you exactly what you needed to know. [08:15:41] Your question isn't particularly frequently asked. [08:16:42] robchurch, nah man, you definitely weren't cool about it [08:17:00] I have no further wish to continue this discussion. [08:17:02] robchurch, you dropped all kinds of words in your informing me "where to look for better information" that were unnecessary [08:17:14] slightly insulting, etc. [08:17:16] You've presently exhausted my goodwill. [08:17:34] i mean "briefly" carried its own weight in there [08:18:03] just the whole you-can't-search-for-shit-and-you're-a-fucktard kind of tone of voice, you know what i mean? [08:18:41] robchurch, for what it's worth, i'm sorry i didn't know the mediawiki documentation wasn't where i should've been looking and that i'm better off using mailing lists (wtf?) and the wikipedia editing help [08:18:52] Boo fucking hoo. You asked a question and some dude who already puts too much fucking effort into this project was unreasonably short with you, being as he is a bit pissed off. Happens all the time on the Internet. [08:19:09] 03raymond * r24361 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): [08:19:10] * (bug 10653) Update Chinese translations [08:19:12] Patch by Shinjiman [08:19:28] 03(FIXED) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #48, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10653 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [08:19:43] Let me know when you've paid for a premier support contract and I'll happily bend over answering your questions in a sugary voice and kiss your ass. [08:20:08] robchurch, it's not my problem you signed up to volunteer for this project [08:20:36] Whatever. I'll say nothing at all in the future. [08:20:37] robchurch, there's going to be dumb people using it, and your pissy attitude won't help them when it's that time of the day [08:22:09] 03(WONTFIX) MediaWiki:Markaspatrolledtext only accepts raw text - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10612 (10robchur) [08:22:37] 03(WONTFIX) Add a class for the first wiki headline on the page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10590 (10robchur) [08:23:33] Well, I have a few ideas for what might fix my problem, and if none of thsoe work, I'm sure I'll be back for more input ;P [08:23:43] 03(mod) Add 'UserPreferencesChanged' hook - good for logging. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10543 +comment (10robchur) [08:23:49] But for now, it's _really_ late, and I'm off to bed [08:24:01] 03(mod) Preserve page restrictions for the resulting redirect when moving pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10527 (10robchur) [08:25:21] 03(mod) Generalize EditPage.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10431 highest->normal (10robchur) [08:26:53] hi [08:26:58] i'm frozeneskimo's friend [08:27:31] uhm no comment [08:30:54] 14(DUP) Change block details without unblocking ("edit" blocks) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10673 +comment (10robchur) [08:30:56] 03(mod) Allow modification of a block without unblocking - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10080 +comment (10robchur) [08:31:22] Does anyone know how to change the stuff on the navagation menu? [08:36:24] is it possible to use the mediawiki user data (i.e. authentication data) for other php based external programs? [08:37:32] Nvm figured it out. [08:38:15] !faq [08:38:15] Before reporting a problem or requesting assistance, please check the FAQ first. The FAQ for MediaWiki can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ [08:38:39] 03erik * r24362 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: signpost feed has been dead for a while [08:39:41] 03(mod) Allow modification of a block without unblocking - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10080 +comment (10fearow00) [08:49:28] hi [08:56:38] 03(mod) Update for Thai language (th) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10674 (10manop) [09:06:35] is there a possibility to generate graphs, curves in mediawiki ? i would like to get some values out of a database and show them in diagrams, graphs etc ... [09:09:33] I believe there is some graphing thing in use on wikipedia, ill look it up [09:10:04] 03(NEW) The default MediaWiki: Sharedupload text does not link to the shared repository (e.g. Commons) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10677 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mormegil) [09:10:19] 14(DUP) some wikis still missing appropriate mediawiki: sharedupload messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777 +comment (10mormegil) [09:10:21] 03(mod) The default MediaWiki: Sharedupload text does not link to the shared repository (e.g. Commons) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10677 +comment (10mormegil) [09:10:51] lako: You could always generate a SVG image - it's just XML [09:11:31] lako [09:11:31] You want http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Graph_extension [09:12:19] Its some limited functionality [09:12:56] Or a more advanced one at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GraphViz [09:13:43] yes i saw these plugins but at least the examples doenst seem to be what i am looking for [09:14:11] I remember seeing something more useful on Wikipedia but I cant find it [09:15:09] I found what i was thinking of, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EasyTimeline [09:15:17] It can be used for graphs, just its not what its meant for [09:16:55] i want to display something like http://www.nku.edu/~fordmw/images/Graphics/graphs6.gif [09:17:14] dont know if this is also possible [09:18:41] Easiest way is to just output SVG, and create the graphs in PHP. But it's not possible in mediawiki by itself, and I am not aware of any extensions for that purpose [09:19:19] mmh ok thanks so far [09:21:08] Sorry I couldnt be of more help [09:23:48] not your fault :) [09:38:39] hello good day [09:39:14] hello [09:39:14] can i ask for some help in upgrading from 1.6.7 to 1.10 ? [09:40:53] im running on centos 4.4 (centosplus) and have followed the instructions on hxxp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading_MediaWiki and have actually gotten things to show up as version 1.10 but.... [09:43:04] when i edit the main page and submit i get a blank page or an error (page has returned a zero sized reply); for other pages i can edit them but when i click on submit, i get a blank page... i can directly type in the url in the urlbox and get the updated page but direct edits wont refresh teh new page (with the edits) [09:44:52] anyone got any ideas as to what could be wrong? i am doing this all on a VM that was given to me to work with... i dont think thats the issue though [09:45:02] I have a question about the backup of my wiki. [09:45:14] I am running 1.9.3, php 5.2.2 [09:46:10] oh yeah i am on php 5.1.6 and mysql 5.0.27 [09:46:30] Currently, I had an issue with Cron, so I went ahead and downloaded a copy of the wiki's mySQL database. With that, can I restore the wiki if needed? [09:46:50] PCOA , you need the files too [09:46:58] Or do I need a more organized backup type besides just copying mySQL for the wiki. [09:47:06] Ah. [09:47:16] PCOA: Yes, backing up the MySQL is all you need to recover your data [09:47:21] Files can be redownloaded and reinstalled [09:47:48] Oh ok, by files you mean what? [09:47:52] Mediawiki? [09:47:56] the files that you uploaded [09:48:13] e.g. image files [09:48:22] or other files thtat you put on your wiki [09:48:24] Oh no problem with those, I know what folder their in, I can keep backups of it if I want to. [09:48:44] then youre good man [09:49:22] Thanks guys, I was worried since I couldn't get cron or any other system to get the database copied. [09:49:29] This is simple and fast. [09:49:51] anybody got any ideas for my problem? [09:50:06] ive been at this for a couple of hours... tearing my hair out [10:00:38] hi [10:02:19] i need some help with mediawiki CSS. there should be something like "wikitable" but I do not find the definition (I used grep on the whole dir). Is this some kind of add-on I have to install? [10:03:52] Is there a bot that puts all pages that are in category A but not in Category B in a new Category AnotB. If i have to adapt an existing bot from pywikipedia , which one would i start with? [10:12:42] bastl: start from the DB? [10:12:47] (if you can) [10:13:03] otherwise pywikipedia to generate a list of all articles in catA, all articles in catB [10:13:16] something else to make the diff between them [10:13:23] pywikipedia again to put them in AnotB [10:17:37] hi [10:17:56] Anyone here? [10:18:30] damn 156 persons and noone is talking to anyone [10:18:36] -.- [10:23:51] hello? Can I insert a hook into the "create account" that record on which lang wiki which username was first registered into a database? [10:28:41] any developers around [10:32:06] hello, after a change of the PC ip address my wiki is giving database errors on edits, i'm using v1.8.4 which is the last stable version according to Gentoo, I guess upgrading should fix this but any reason why gentoo is so far behind? [10:32:23] disclaimer: I did not setup this server, I just have to deal with it and keep it running :s [10:32:50] 03raymond * r24363 10/trunk/extensions/SpamBlacklist/SpamBlacklist.php: [10:32:50] Use $badLines instead of $badList for PLURAL: counting. [10:32:51] count( $badList ) is always 1 as it is a string. [10:59:31] <_DannyB|backup> suchanek: wikitable is defined in some sites' css, either common or monobook, usually the second one (btw: do you speak czech?) [11:18:38] 03raymond * r24364 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Updates German [11:28:43] how can i delete a page? [11:28:48] or rename it [11:47:12] <_DannyB|backup> aton`: to delete you must be sysop (and use tab delete) to rename use tab move [11:47:35] tab like in mysql tab? [11:53:00] <_DannyB|backup> aton`: you did not specified _where_ you want to delete the page, be more concrete next time please [11:53:28] no i just want to delete the page from the wiki [11:53:33] possibly in the wiki [11:53:45] <_DannyB|backup> are you the op on that wiki? [11:53:49] i was just asking what "tab" are you refering too [11:53:52] yes i am op [11:54:49] <_DannyB|backup> so go to that page and use tab (which means the link on top which "grows" from the page box) delete [11:55:13] sorry [11:55:21] i was logged on as a normal user, my mistake [11:55:30] <_DannyB|backup> there you go ;-) [12:37:01] 03(mod) Add 'UserPreferencesChanged' hook - good for logging. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10543 (10bugzilla) [12:55:47] I'm a absolute beginner [12:55:50] how can I enable the capacity lo upload file in Mediawiki 1.6 [12:56:01] to upload files [12:56:17] Jandalo: have you checked the FAQ? [12:56:51] No, I don't even know where it is [12:57:05] Could you tell me about it? [12:57:44] Jandalo: it's in the topic message you see when entering this channel... [12:58:16] ok, thank you [13:22:59] hi there - is there any way one can change the alignment of the tag? i've snooped around the mediawiki manual but can't seem to find anything. [13:24:49] Wrap it in a
and style that? [13:26:40] robchurch: thanks - i thought there might be a cleaner way of doing it, but
s make sense. [13:27:48] <_DannyB|backup> gallery should be rewritten, table style of rendering isn't the luckiest one [13:28:07] I may be misremembering, but I have a feeling that it's recently been altered in trunk so certain attributes are passed to the final tags. [13:28:15] _DannyB|backup: Got a patch? [13:29:18] <_DannyB|backup> robchurch: working on it. i'm php dummy, so it takes time. but i'm pretty good in front end so if you'd like to cooperate... [13:30:42] There's very little PHP to actually change; all the work is in ImageGallery::toHtml() or whatever it's called, and I would suspect you can identify the HTML tags concerned. [13:30:56] I'm willing to co-operate if you've got a concrete example. [13:32:07] <_DannyB|backup> robchurch: ok, i'll prepare some summary and will send it to you later on [13:35:46] how can i make it so that only logged in users can modify pages? [13:36:06] aton`: read the faq [13:36:12] look for "preventing access" [13:36:23] !faq [13:36:23] Before reporting a problem or requesting assistance, please check the FAQ first. The FAQ for MediaWiki can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ [13:40:07] it's in the topic, too... [13:40:12] *Duesentrieb didn't know we had a bot now [13:41:12] Didn't you? I think I ranted about it twice. [13:42:33] i don't read *everything* you write :) [13:42:33] robchurch: "see FAQ link in topic" takes 1 line [13:42:48] saying !faq takes 1, then the bot takes 2 [13:43:02] Duesentrieb: I'm offended! My rants are worth a fortune on the open market. [13:44:24] 03(NEW) New magic word to display number of redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10678 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (meno25bugzilla) [13:45:03] Years from now, people will show each other beautifully inked angry emails and whisper, "yeah, it's a genuine Church; just look at the embossed swear words" [13:45:43] <_DannyB|backup> :o) [13:45:55] 03(mod) New magic word to display number of redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10678 +comment (10robchur) [13:46:25] They'll be able to send their grandchildren to further education because they were lucky enough to be sworn at by me! [13:48:12] _DannyB|backup will be on the Forbes Rich List. [13:49:19] 03(mod) thumbails with wrong permission - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6654 +comment (10mil091) [13:51:02] 03(mod) New magic word to display number of redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10678 +comment (10wikipedia.danny.b) [13:51:03] <_DannyB|backup> robchurch: ^ another reason for you to swear at me so i can be richer ;-) [13:51:57] 03(mod) New magic word to display number of redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10678 (10robchur) [13:52:19] There's something even rarer. Me being almost jovial. [13:55:44] <_DannyB|backup> robchurch: you're right - our people wanted to enable pagesinns [13:57:06] 03(NEW) diff deletes text in edit form in the Page: namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10679 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (Graf.Zahl) [14:03:27] 03(mod) New magic words to display number of redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10678 summary (10wikipedia.danny.b) [14:05:55] is there a way to mass move articles from one category to another ? [14:11:35] <_DannyB|backup> bastl: bot [14:12:44] 03(NEW) New option to display image pages in user preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10680 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (meno25bugzilla) [14:12:52] <_DannyB|backup> why is checkuser counted as admin? [14:14:39] Eh? [14:16:46] Danny: thanks im hacking already: what does this error mean: "wikipedia.NoPage: (vim:en, u'[[en:VimTip1]]')" ?? [14:17:09] the page is there, as a redirect [14:17:34] <_DannyB|backup> robchurch: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Statistics says {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} Returns the number of administrators (sysop, bureaucrat, steward and _checkuser_). [14:17:54] I rather suspect that's wrong. [14:18:00] <_DannyB|backup> so do i [14:18:14] <_DannyB|backup> but don't know where to check [14:18:23] self::$admins = $dbr->selectField( 'user_groups', 'COUNT(*)', array( 'ug_group' => 'sysop' ), __METHOD__ ); [14:18:38] Yeah, it's very wrong; {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} == number of people in the sysop group [14:18:44] <_DannyB|backup> so i'll remove checkusers ok? [14:19:00] <_DannyB|backup> actually will change it to what you just wrote [14:19:05] Rewrite it to say that it's the number of administrators (users in the sysop group) [14:19:05] yeah [14:20:44] hmm.. what function is called to save the new content of a page in mediawiki? i've been looking through EditPage, and i've seen that $save is set to true, but $save isn't actually used anywhere as far as i can see.. [14:21:08] Eventually, Article::doEdit() [14:21:14] 03(NEW) Transcluding templates from other wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (meno25bugzilla) [14:22:27] 03(mod) Enable interwiki transclusion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 +shell; summary (10robchur) [14:26:30] 03(NEW) New short form interwiki titles for Commons and Wikispecies - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10682 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (meno25bugzilla) [14:28:32] 03(mod) Enable interwiki transclusion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 +comment (10wikipedia.danny.b) [14:30:30] When using columns = and resultsheader = %PAGES% pages, The %PAGES% gives back half the number of pages. Is this a bug or a feature? [14:30:55] Well %PAGES% gives back /columns [14:32:31] Oh sorry, this is not DPL specific talk./ [14:32:41] 03(mod) New short form interwiki titles for Commons and Wikispecies - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10682 +comment (10wikipedia.danny.b) [14:35:46] 03(mod) Enable interwiki transclusion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 +comment (10innocentkiller) [14:35:47] 03(mod) Reasonably efficient interwiki transclusion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9890 (10innocentkiller) [14:41:00] what's the best way to setup mediawiki with full password protection - so that even viewing requires a password? mod_auth_mysql? apparently mediawiki doesn't have this feature itself? [14:42:30] You can require that users log in to read using the built-in permission mechanism, although we make no guarantees that this is completely foolproof. [14:48:10] ah, ok. thanks [15:06:12] Hey guys, just wondering if there's a default CSS reference template for css elements? [15:06:44] Trying to fish around blindly for some of the custom elements is driving me slightly batty heh [15:12:10] anybody jere [15:12:14] here [15:13:45] never [15:16:33] hey yall [15:16:45] im trying to write a bot for my wiki, but im having trouble creating a new page [15:16:52] is the api.php able to do his? [15:18:00] no. not yet anyway, afaik. [15:27:12] hi brion [15:27:18] and the rest [16:03:26] 03(mod) imageinfo is not cleared for each page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10662 +comment (10yuriastrakhan) [16:05:30] 14(INVALID) rvlimit doesn't work on multiple pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10661 +comment (10yuriastrakhan) [16:25:21] hi [16:25:44] how can i search with wildcards in mediawiki? [16:25:52] you can't [16:26:04] yurikny, ping [16:26:20] but wikipedia search [16:26:33] does it? [16:26:35] only pages containing all of the search terms will appear in the result [16:27:03] well, if wikipedia does, then you can ;) [16:27:07] derive: you can use wildcard search on wikipedias, and yes default operator is AND [16:27:15] you can use OR if you want to [16:27:19] wikipedia uses Lucene [16:27:38] derive: wikipedia uses lucene search, default installations use mysql's fulltext index. [16:27:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=shel&go=Go (i want that) [16:28:01] if the page does not exist, display others [16:28:02] the funntext index has some support for wildcards, look at mysql's documentation about binary search for fulltext. [16:28:55] can i speak french? my english is too bad [16:29:36] derive: you can, but not many people are going to understand you. [16:30:34] je voudrais que wikimedia me donne d'autres resultats dans le cas ou il ne trouve rien ... (comme ici http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=shel&go=Go) [16:32:03] derive: il y a toujours les moteurs de recherche externe (Google, ...) dans la liste entre le champ de recherche et le bouton si jamais [16:33:12] oui mais je voudrais une recherche dans ma base de donne interne [16:34:16] par exemple, si j'ecris "ialexandr" il ne trouvera pas le document "ialexandre" mais je veux qu'il m'indique quels sont les plus proches [16:34:36] derive: le moteur de recherche est assez limité [16:35:12] le moteur de recherche que wikipedia utilise est externe? [16:35:21] derive: non [16:35:35] bon, wikipedia utilises lucene [16:35:37] mais ce que je veux, wikipedia fais [16:35:41] qui est une autre daemon [16:36:05] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LuceneSearch [16:36:08] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Installing_lucene_search [16:36:10] Platonides, compatible avec wikimedia? [16:36:18] ah ok merci [16:49:44] checked the faq and config settings... I was wondering if you can add more buttons to that lil bar above the textarea, i'd like to add unordered list and ordered list [16:52:21] 03(mod) diff deletes text in edit form in the Page: namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10679 +comment (10huji.huji) [16:52:48] surgionowork: i think there's a hook for it. it's more easy to add stuff to the "special characters" section at the bottom... [16:53:01] though for it to be really useful, you'd want the charinsert extension [16:53:33] thank you, i'll search for that! [17:09:09] 03(NEW) Wikilinks urlencoded make link, but don't redirect. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10683 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (Platonides) [17:12:09] 03(mod) rvlimit doesn't work on multiple pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10661 (10Platonides) [17:33:59] how do i change the logo in the top left hand corner [17:34:01] <_DannyB|backup> Platonides: what do you mean by 10683? [17:34:14] <_DannyB|backup> !logo | Spike_ [17:34:14] Spike_ : The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by the $wgLogo configuration setting in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply need to change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo image. See for more information. [17:34:51] <_DannyB|backup> brion_coffee: does it taste mmmmm? ;-) [17:35:04] :) [17:37:01] can i have an example of how you would use $wgLogo [17:38:16] <_DannyB|backup> Spike_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php#Logo [17:47:16] Why does MediaWiki require User-agent HTTP header? [17:47:51] it doesn't [17:48:00] maybe you're thinking of wikimedia's web sites, though [17:49:34] But why? [17:57:29] cause annoying bots ruin everything for the rest of us [18:00:19] Looking for a plugin to mediawiki for my photo albums, any ideas? [18:09:18] Platonides: what's up? [18:09:54] 03(mod) Allow modification of a block without unblocking - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10080 +easy; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:11:54] <_DannyB|backup> newmember: would fit your needs? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Images_and_other_uploaded_files#Gallery_tag.2C_category.2C_table_of_images [18:28:00] 03(mod) Link to talk page in block log message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10655 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:32:46] 03(mod) Add 'UserPreferencesChanged' hook - good for logging. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10543 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:35:23] 03(WONTFIX) New option to display image pages in user preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10680 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:37:09] 03(mod) Enable interwiki transclusion between all wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:38:23] 03(mod) Add 'UserPreferencesChanged' hook - good for logging. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10543 (10bugzilla) [18:41:21] 03(mod) Urlencoded wikilinks work for normal links but not redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10683 summary (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:44:45] 03(mod) Add 'UserPreferencesChanged' hook - good for logging. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10543 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:46:29] 03(mod) Detect and notify user of extremely low (probably accidental) POST limits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10668 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:50:55] 03(NEW) Expand list=allusers functionality - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10684 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (vasilievvv) [18:52:26] is there such a thing as a skeleton page, like some keywords and headings, but no content? [18:53:33] _DannyB|backup: thanks for the thought, I have over 11,000 picutres, when you said gallery gave me idea to use gallery2 for photos and links from mediawiki [18:57:25] 03(mod) Make Linker::doEditSectionLink protected instead of private - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10672 (10seventowers) [18:57:34] <^demon|away> Need some advice on SQL if anyone has a few minutes to spare. [18:59:05] ^demon, see last sentence of topic. Just ask. [19:09:47] *brion yawns and stretches [19:11:10] hi brion [19:11:24] Simetrical, and the others [19:11:37] uga [19:13:24] and Nikerabbit [19:13:47] :) [19:14:00] ;-) [19:18:12] <_DannyB|backup> brion: looks like the coffee you came with wasn't big or strong enough... [19:20:08] :) [19:22:39] *Sundance_Raphael puts coffee, tea and cake in the chat [19:23:24] *_DannyB|backup thinks Sundance_Raphael will want something from brion [19:25:06] _DannyB|backup, yes i will ask stupit questions in the next few weeks [19:25:30] <_DannyB|backup> it happens ;-) [19:25:36] because i have praktikum and should work with wikis [19:26:18] and in 90% of the cases i dont know what i should do [19:28:53] is it possible to insert characters that are normally doing something? like %% in c printf or like \' [19:29:15] hey [19:31:21] <_DannyB|backup> aton`: sure, why not? but some other may have reserved behavior in such combinations [19:31:39] _DannyB|backup, but how? [19:31:46] if i want to insert ' for example [19:31:54] so that the ' sign appears on the page [19:32:21] <_DannyB|backup> aton`: so write it... like "Friday's" [19:32:36] <_DannyB|backup> or describe your needs more specific [19:32:44] _DannyB|backup, and if i want to write ... like "friday'''s" for some reason [19:32:56] or like [[fridays)] [19:33:09] i have a problem, im starting a knowledgebase wiki for my company and when i put [[subject]] it shows up, but when clicked, it goes right into the page in edit mode [19:33:15] but i dont want it to be a link [19:33:47] ? [19:34:21] Like [[fridays]] [19:34:28] ah [19:34:31] <_DannyB|backup> jevangelo: does the target page exist? [19:34:34] is there no shorter way? [19:34:40] like if i just want to insert a [ [19:34:54] I'm not sure about that. [19:34:55] <_DannyB|backup> aton`: using entities [ [ [19:34:57] i guess not [19:35:12] _DannyB|backup, ah thanks! [19:35:12] <_DannyB|backup> jevangelo: therefore it's correct behavior [19:35:55] my coworker created the [[link]] , clicked on it, and put info in it [19:36:03] does that not constitute as existing? [19:36:23] <_DannyB|backup> jevangelo: and saved? is the wiki publicly accessible? got link? [19:36:27] _DannyB|backup, do you have, by any chance, a url to a list of these entities? [19:36:44] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Admin_actions#Commons:Deletion_requests_-_Commons:Deletion_guidelines [19:36:51] <_DannyB|backup> aton`: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#h-A2 [19:36:55] thanks [19:36:57] do you know how to make the bg of that thumbnail transparent? [19:40:10] 03(WONTFIX) New short form interwiki titles for Commons and Wikispecies - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10682 +comment (10brion) [19:42:08] when i installed mediawiki [19:42:16] the Help:Editing link on edit pages [19:42:20] points to a blank page [19:42:35] it is normal [19:42:41] users are starting to wonder where info about wiki markup is located [19:42:48] you must write the help by your own [19:42:54] should i point the help:editing page somewhere? [19:43:12] ah, write our own help... [19:43:17] you can copy wikipedias version [19:43:24] 03(mod) New short form interwiki titles for Commons and Wikispecies - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10682 (10wikipedia.danny.b) [19:43:35] you can link them to the wikipediaone if you wont [19:43:37] im trying to write a wikibot [19:43:40] or just redirect from our help:editing to mediawikis? [19:43:43] and I keep getting the error "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data." when I try to edit a page [19:44:17] or copy them under the GNU Licence terms [19:44:28] i can use mod_rewrite to redirect our help:editing page to wikipedia [19:44:32] is there a better way? [19:44:47] <_DannyB|backup> jablko: where are you from? [19:45:06] i'm at sfu in bc, canada [19:45:12] www.sfu.ca [19:45:28] working on wiki for sfpirg [19:45:30] does anyone have problems with mediawiki acting strange until you delete your cookies ? [19:45:32] www.sfpirg.ca [19:45:35] <_DannyB|backup> jablko: do you know what "jablko" means in czech? [19:45:46] mom is czech [19:45:47] Apple [19:45:48] means apple [19:45:51] i log out, and it still thinks im logged in and vice versa, until i clear my browser cache [19:46:02] but it is russian [19:46:04] tried picking up a little czech [19:46:12] <_DannyB|backup> cool! looks like czech will be the next worldwide language ;-) [19:46:18] : ) [19:46:19] _DannyB|backup do you know how to make the bg of that thumbnails transparent? [19:46:44] _DannyB|backup czech is a myth :P [19:47:02] _DannyB|backup, but яблоко is Russian [19:47:04] <_DannyB|backup> Sundance_Raphael: russian is jabloko, czech is jablko. but let's end it up since we're very ot [19:47:18] anyone? [19:47:21] czech really is a unicode experiment that went wrong [19:47:38] hiya [19:47:45] jablko in Polish as well [19:47:50] anyone know when image dumps are coming? [19:48:20] anyone know hwo to fix the error Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. [19:48:33] *Sundance_Raphael speaks only German and notwell English and Russian [19:50:54] I can speak Polish and English, und ein bisschen German and Russian [19:51:18] <_DannyB|backup> White_Cat: i do. do you want it only for yourself or for all? [19:51:33] for all would be preferable [19:52:34] i put in my help:editing page: [19:52:36] #REDIRECT[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet] [19:52:38] i think russian is easy as English :P [19:52:48] but i'm not getting redirected [19:52:57] is there perhaps something i need to enable [19:53:01] for redirects to work? [19:53:53] external redirects are disabled by default [19:54:03] why not leave a soft redirect [19:54:07] "See this page" [19:54:39] too many clicks for someone who just needs to look up some syntax [19:55:01] ideal would be if the cheat sheet were inlined right below the edit form [19:55:29] <_DannyB|backup> White_Cat: therefore prepare for some annoying work - copy and paste the html source of the entire thumbnail block (the entire
element with its content) to wiki source of page instad of [[image:..|thumb|...]] and add style="background-color: trnsparent;" into that div [19:55:33] i notice the wikipedia editing help link also pops up another window [19:55:51] <_DannyB|backup> *transparent [19:56:00] can i configure the editing help link to do that? [19:56:12] ideally in LocalSettings? [19:56:23] _DannyB|backup okay [19:56:28] what am I copying to where [19:56:35] *White_Cat is #MediaWiki-0 [19:57:46] 03ivanlanin * r24365 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesId.php: Indonesian (id) localisation updates. [20:00:16] found: [20:00:17] $edithelpurl = Skin::makeInternalOrExternalUrl( wfMsgForContent( 'edithelppage' )); [20:00:39] can i configure the 'edithelppage' message somewhere? [20:00:50] or is it easier to enable external redirects? [20:02:52] _DannyB|backup what am I doing again? [20:03:10] ah, solved it. this worked: [20:03:11] _DannyB|backup cant the default be made transparent? [20:03:15] #REDIRECT[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]] [20:03:58] when i click my page links in the main page, it edits them, when i go to permanent link, and click the same pages, they show up fine [20:04:21] how do i get them to show up like that directly in the main page [20:06:32] <_DannyB|backup> White_Cat: a sec, found some bug [20:06:43] okay [20:07:04] does anyone know what im talking about? [20:07:37] <_DannyB|backup> White_Cat: default can't be transparent otherwise the underlining of headers would touch thumbnails [20:07:58] hmm [20:08:04] <_DannyB|backup> White_Cat: do you need it _exactly_ this way? [20:08:09] anyone in here developed a bot? [20:08:18] i find the white bg to be ugly [20:08:42] _DannyB|backup why is it bad for header lines to touch thumbnails? [20:10:18] <_DannyB|backup> not aesthetic? [20:11:38] why is it that i click [[link]] and edit the page that comes up, then save, and when i click it, it comes up in edit mode [20:11:47] so annoying [20:12:49] if its because the page doesn't exist, that is weird because im editing it and clicking save [20:12:53] and it still does it [20:12:57] good eveing im in need of some help i want my wiki to look like site but having a few problems [20:14:11] jevangelo: it does it while the link is red, i.e. if the target page does not exist. if you reload the page you where looking at, the link will turn blue, and it will no longer point to the edit page. [20:14:40] if you simply use your browser's back button after editing, then yes, the link will still be red, and still point where it pointed before. [20:17:31] anyone im new to this wiki [20:17:56] my logo disappered [20:19:10] <_DannyB|backup> White_Cat: you've got pm with details [20:19:31] <_DannyB|backup> Spike_: somebody stole it [20:19:44] thanks [20:20:12] Duesentrieb : iv done exactly that, but it still shows red [20:20:53] i click save, and it shows the page correctly, then i click the actual main page link and from there, i reload the whole page, and still nothing [20:21:00] _DannyB|backup [20:21:02] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Admin_actions [20:21:09] they dont look all that similar :( [20:22:19] my logo disappered [20:25:50] <_DannyB|backup> White_Cat: do you know css? [20:25:59] not much [20:26:10] <_DannyB|backup> therefore wait, i'm busy atm [20:28:31] *White_Cat waits [20:28:47] _DannyB|backup I'll head to bed [20:28:51] feel free to pm anything to me [20:28:55] I will recieve it :) [20:29:11] I am a commons admin so I can edit mediawiki pages too :P [20:31:47] found out what it was...... [20:32:18] when things change directly from the main page, you have to open up the main page, and edit it and save it for the other pages to save [20:32:20] weird [20:33:03] how can i tell the whole wiki to use a certain css file? [20:36:58] <_DannyB|backup> White_Cat: you should have said that before :-P [20:39:23] what does the beauricrats group do? [20:40:03] 03(NEW) Automatically hyphen ISBNs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (circee) [20:43:51] <_DannyB|backup> jevangelo: rename users, add sysop/bot/bct flags, and all as sysops do [20:44:22] ah [20:44:30] what do sysops do that that group can't do [20:44:54] delete pages? [20:45:05] How can I force LDAP Authentication to auto-login if the credentials are already there? [20:49:05] hi anybody here that knows semantic mediawiki a bit? (I know I know it is an external extension ;-) [20:49:07] <_DannyB|backup> jevangelo: nothing [20:49:16] oh? [20:49:19] interesting [20:49:35] <_DannyB|backup> jevangelo: sysop have subset of rights of bcts [20:50:24] I just wnat to know wether one can do intersections of relations? like "is child of a" an "is child of b" [20:54:24] hello [20:56:26] <_DannyB|backup> brion: got my mail btw? [20:57:25] what's it about [20:57:28] how can I remove the create an account link from the login page on my wiki [20:57:33] and disable new account creation [20:57:45] i am using ldap authentication, so dont want other accounts created [20:57:55] <_DannyB|backup> brion: wikibugs-l is the subject [20:58:26] sure, sec [21:00:16] replied w/ info :) [21:11:09] <_DannyB|backup> brion: troubles. also replied w/description. afk for about two hours, will check when back. thanks [21:12:08] its phpwiki only for php4 ? [21:12:10] eh 5 [21:12:23] search version for php4 [21:12:38] i cant upgrade -> php5 buggy [21:12:57] Ah [21:13:01] 1.6.10 for php4 [21:13:02] thx^^ [21:13:04] cannap: See topic; use 1.6.10. [21:13:45] *robchurch gasps [21:13:53] I'm SO sorry, I do believe I just answered a support request. [21:13:58] It won't happen again. [21:14:39] robchurch: make sure you never look into the wikimedia otrs ;) [21:15:11] Indeed not. Since I am apparently so appallingly bad at this support thing...why, I could only do the most HIDEOUS damage. [21:17:01] but at least reading sometimes can be useful (if you don't bother reading a lot of crap) as it highlights problems you'd never thought of else [21:19:09] ntwaddell: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [21:20:06] ntwaddell: beside that look for certain extensions that allow for external authentication AFAIK there is also one for LDAP [21:22:34] robchurch: i don't think you can do only HIDEOUS damage - that would leave out damages of the "spectacular" and "mind-boggling" types [21:22:43] ;) [21:23:37] jk - you know i love you [21:23:48] *robchurch pushes jimbojw away [21:23:50] dude, not in public [21:23:55] people might think i actually have a soul [21:24:15] gotta keep your street cred [21:25:09] Telling people I have a soul, and feelings, is like trying to pass about the vicious, hurtful rumour that Tim Starling's got a sense of humour. [21:25:24] We've all got reputations at stake! [21:25:25] <_mary_kate_> tim has a very dry sense of humour [21:25:31] <_mary_kate_> it's easy to miss if you're not english :) [21:25:36] ;) [21:25:56] Hey, brion, you about? [21:26:24] _mary_kate_: btw - I'm learning Python [21:26:30] <_mary_kate_> good for you [21:26:54] i thought you'd be pleased that I got over my whitespace prejudice from last week [21:27:25] salut [21:27:33] quelqun parles francais? [21:27:55] seulement un peux [21:28:35] Julia90: mais Anthere est de la france... [21:30:06] oui, il est trs simpatique, mas je pense qu'il est ocup em ce moment [21:30:32] elle ;-) [21:30:55] ah d'accord :) [21:32:06] Julia90: sorry for writing english but I fear virtually anybody here around can help you with technical questions in english if you have a bit patience [21:33:00] yes thank, i try speak english [21:33:16] if we not have humor why we orogram? [21:33:21] program [21:33:36] i have installed mediawiki on windows, works fine but i have a problem [21:34:29] if i add a page named "Windows XP" and after i search for "Windows" [21:36:14] the answer is "There is no page titled "Windows". You can create this page." [21:36:25] you want to get the page "windows XP" if you enter "windows"? [21:36:31] but on wikipedia suggest another pages [21:36:41] yes [21:36:47] like wikipedia [21:37:35] Julia90: wikipedia has a special search called "lucene search" [21:38:08] work in windows? [21:38:22] Julia90: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LuceneSearch [21:38:32] Julia90: have a look [21:38:47] i have already sww, but i think dont work in windows [21:39:06] see* [21:39:06] Julia90: an other solution is the didyoumean extension, this is easier [21:39:42] ahh ok, good extension [21:39:55] anyone in here written a bot before? [21:40:31] Julia90: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/DidYouMean/ [21:40:59] Julia90: however I didn't use it myself yet [21:41:01] Julia90: lucene is java based, it works on windows. [21:41:07] Sundance_Raphael: Programmers are masochistic. Who else, aside from a masochist, would want to spend time in front of a little screen, typing lines of code, juggling a billion different things in their head at once, compiling, recompiling, debugging, fixing other people's mistakes, thinking in different paradigms... [21:42:08] robchurch: everyone is that takes his job or his hobby serious [21:42:17] Fair point [21:43:18] ok i am a maschist [21:43:46] but ithink a teacher is a bigger masochist [21:46:13] or a sadist... [21:47:08] works fine ;) [21:48:18] Duesentrieb, but i need install jdk? [21:49:16] Julia90: JRE [21:50:06] ok thks :) [21:52:13] I am back [21:52:20] Anthere [21:52:21] but regardless, I can not help on mediawiki questions [21:52:28] the Turkey thing is off [21:52:34] I would no longer reccomend it [21:52:40] what happened ? [21:52:44] election? [21:52:55] ? [21:53:05] Athere islamist party won [21:53:15] ah, in turkey... [21:53:22] I did not know :-( [21:53:28] right not the french one :) [21:53:29] sigh [21:53:37] (I thought of ours) [21:53:39] there will be some more chaos [21:53:40] WMF [21:53:44] I guess so [21:53:53] and little chance to be part of europe now I guess [21:54:04] since there will be another election if they fail to ellect the president [21:54:20] europe supports AKP [21:54:39] which is strange :/ [21:55:41] AKP got a 46.54% vote [21:56:34] and the other party ? [22:00:21] has anyone here experimented with ferret as an alternative to lucene for MediaWiki search? [22:00:45] a lot more cheap hosts are likely to have Ruby than a JRE [22:00:50] Anthere well [22:00:55] 3 parties got in [22:01:59] %20.79 CHP (Seculars) %14.25 MHP (Nationalists) [22:02:10] %5.19 independents [22:02:24] its best we continue the discussion elsewhere btw :) [22:02:28] White_Cat: the akp isn't the end of the world and although it sounds paradox for you they did quite a lot for moving turkey to the west [22:02:49] n8 [22:02:53] Arnomane thats not really true :) [22:02:58] nite [22:03:22] Anthere oh and yes the percentages dont add up to a 100% [22:03:49] frequent [22:03:55] 03(mod) diff deletes text in edit form in the Page: namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10679 (10N/A) [22:05:16] damn i cant find the admin panel [22:05:26] there's no admin panel [22:05:54] hm [22:05:58] site admin stuff is done by editing LocalSettings.php [22:06:03] i cant creat aricels :/ [22:06:10] wiki sysop functionality is inlined in relevant places [22:06:25] cannap: create a link to a page that doesn't exist. click it. [22:06:41] Ah [22:06:42] *White_Cat clicks on Duesentrieb [22:06:53] *Duesentrieb doesn't exist [22:07:00] *White_Cat creates Duesentrieb [22:07:10] the install.php say me "This script must be run from the command line" for install an extension [22:07:19] but how do that on windows? [22:07:35] Julia90: open a dos box. [22:07:38] cmd? [22:07:52] or write a bat file [22:09:38] how to creat portal site show me newst article [22:10:01] yes, but i want to use php.exe? or php-win.exe? [22:22:19] i have installed didyoumean extension, but not work yet [22:26:32] hm, is rev_deleted used? or is that info somewhere else now? or is real revision deletion still vaporware? [22:32:37] 03(NEW) Image cache not invalidated after deletion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10686 04CRIT; high; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (EN.WP.ST47) [22:35:36] 14(DUP) Image cache not invalidated after deletion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10686 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [22:35:37] 03(mod) Thumbnail purging inconsistent for shared image repositories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9053 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [22:41:48] I'm trying to use the math markup and I keep getting failed to parse Missing texvc executable [22:41:57] how can edit toolbox menu? [22:41:58] i build texvc and the executable is in the math subdirectory [22:42:39] anyone know where it wants the executable to be? [22:46:56] 03(mod) Automatically hyphen ISBNs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 (10michaeldaly) [22:52:17] is it possible to include an interwiki page in another page? [22:52:36] {{:Help:Editing}} includes the local Help:Editing page [22:52:54] i want {{:wikipedia:Wikipedia:Editing}} [22:53:00] (which doesn't work [22:53:33] Duesentrieb [22:53:52] jablko: it works only if transwiki-inclusion is enabled *and* the given interwiki has a flag set to allow transclusion [22:54:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cool_Cat [22:54:22] those should have been imported to "White Cat" [22:54:42] they were undeleted [22:54:50] which bug was this do you know? [22:55:48] no idea. [22:56:13] user renaming doesn't consider deleted stuff. which is a bug i guess [22:58:38] Duesentrieb: thanks, i think transwiki is set for wikipedia, because: [22:58:40] http://sfpirg.ca/mediawiki/index.php/wikipedia:Wikipedia:Editing [22:58:42] works [22:59:05] trying to figure out the setting for transwiki inclusion [22:59:11] that means an interwiki entry exist. [22:59:19] it doesn't mean transclusion is allowed [22:59:34] afaik, it's disabled completely on wikipedia [23:00:07] transclusion is a column in the interwiki table, right? [23:00:15] iw_trans [23:00:24] yes. [23:00:24] ah, i see: [23:00:34] $wgEnableScaryTranscluding [23:00:43] yes. [23:03:01] jablko: transcluding content from wikipedia this way may be frowned upon. it may be considered leeching. at the very least, you have to compyl to the gfdl, like mirrors/forks have to. the very least would be a backlink to the original page, and to the history of that page, and mentioning source and license. [23:07:03] Duesentrieb: ok, thanks [23:07:25] we want to include the wikipedia editing help in our Help:Editing page [23:07:34] i set iw_trans [23:07:38] but am getting: [23:07:39] [Template fetch failed for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing?action=render; sorry] [23:08:16] ah, maybe because it's a redirect? [23:08:29] <_mary_kate_> probably because your user-agent is blocked [23:09:08] jablko: you can avoid the license issue by using the Help:xxx pages from mediawiki.org - they are PD. [23:09:30] jablko: also, you can export the help files and inport into your wiki. much better... [23:10:43] hmm [23:10:59] i wonder if mediawiki.org also blocks user agents? [23:11:05] <_mary_kate_> all wikimedia sites do [23:11:12] <_mary_kate_> same blacklist [23:11:31] specifically, clients supplying *no* user agent string are blocked. [23:11:33] prefer to transclude rather than import, so the information is updated [23:11:42] which includes php, per default [23:11:51] ok [23:12:34] hello [23:12:47] I have a problem with my instalation of mediawiki [23:13:11] I spend already 2 hours and I don;t know where is the problem [23:13:19] spent* [23:13:25] where did my monobook.js in Spezial:Einstellungen go? the