[00:00:40] mkay, thx [00:03:45] n8 [00:14:22] hi all [00:14:49] how do I get a list of all pages in a given namespace, in this case MediaWiki namepace? [00:17:19] <_DannyB|backup> Varange: [[Special:Allpages/MediaWiki:]] [00:17:20] Varange: Special:Allpages [00:18:02] <_DannyB|backup> Varange: but in case of MEdiaWiki you'll get only overriding pages. try also [[Special:Allmessages]] [00:18:35] Is there a/blog rss extension for "latest featured articles" etc? [00:18:51] (i.e I'd like to blog out news pages directly into the wiki) [00:20:18] *Bouncingmolar slaps Bouncingmolar_ with a big red brick [00:20:23] whoops [00:20:37] thanks [00:23:31] one more please _DannyB|backup ... how to display all pages in a category? [00:24:15] click on the category link? [00:24:33] <_DannyB|backup> Varange: all pages in such category is via [[Category:]], all categories is [[Special:Allpages/Category:]] [00:24:58] thanks [00:25:23] so Allmessages is the "language" file, in a way? [00:25:26] is there a simple way to add a .css or .js file to the headsection of page from an extension hooking the parser? [00:25:55] no [00:26:06] $wgOut -> addScript() does not seem to work [00:26:13] i saw a css /js extension [00:26:30] you need a work around of some sort jamaso [00:26:31] <_DannyB|backup> jamasi: check geshi hiliter [00:26:32] *jamasi [00:26:42] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Script_embedding_extensions [00:26:55] I'll have a look [00:27:41] I'm working on including a "drupal style" dropdownmenu as an extension. [00:27:58] i think i saw one of them too [00:29:40] i can't find it though [00:30:14] despite the css/js-inclusion I'm allmost done [00:30:23] thanks a lot, bye [00:30:53] hola. is there a way to transclude the list of pages in a category onto another page? [00:31:13] <_DannyB|backup> nope [00:31:23] Extension:CSS_Dropdowns [00:31:48] hmm, I think I'll just tell the user to use this extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AddScriptCss [00:34:24] problem with this is broken IE6, Bouncingmolar [00:34:43] ah ok [00:35:20] well, rats. if theoretically I got motivated to hack it in, what would be the best way? do a parser extension? [00:41:02] 03(mod) New short form interwiki titles for Commons and Wikispecies - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10682 +comment (10lejonel) [00:49:25] is there a way to parse in a specific page how many articles are in a specific category? [01:14:35] 03(NEW) ParserFunctions insert a newline character before the returned result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10687 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (fibonacci.prower) [01:20:13] is there a web based search tool for the svn repo? [01:28:51] hello [01:40:59] is there any law of nature that says that writing a bitstream decoder has to be terribly tedious? [01:42:00] *jeremyb refers TimStarling to #science [01:42:26] I call it "Whiteknight's Law of bitstream decoders" [01:45:10] 03nickj * r24366 10/trunk/extensions/Quiz/Quiz.php: Tweak to prevent strict standards warning: Non-static method Quiz::loadMessages() cannot be called statically in includes/Hooks.php on line 113. [01:47:01] 03nickj * r24367 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiLogin.php: Tweak to prevent strict standards warning: Only variables should be assigned by reference in includes/api/ApiLogin.php on line 154 [01:47:05] so I wrote a function to read an ogg theora header [01:47:15] <_mary_kate_> in php? [01:47:24] yes [01:47:27] I thought "that was pretty easy, maybe I'll do it for flac and speex while I'm at it" [01:48:07] see, there's a PEAR module called File_Ogg, it only worked for Vorbis and only barely at that, so I'm extending it [01:48:29] the theora header has everything nicely byte-aligned except for one bitfield, so it wasn't too hard [01:48:34] 03(mod) Automatically hyphen ISBNs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 (10circee) [01:49:05] but flac isn't so nice [01:49:25] bit widths are: 16, 16, 24, 24, 20, 3, 5, 36, 128 [01:49:47] <_mary_kate_> you could write a generic class that you can say "give me the next 3 bits" [01:50:35] well, I have a function where you give it an associative array mapping field names to bit widths, and it fills an associative array from a filehandle for you and returns it [01:50:43] that's a very nice interface for PHP [01:50:54] <_mary_kate_> does it work with variable width fields? :) [01:51:09] but my current implementation only works for multiples of 8, so it looks like I have to expand it to arbitrary widths [01:53:15] 03nickj * r24368 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Trivial cosmetic anal-retentive adjustment to four wfDebug() edit-conflict debugging messages. [01:53:37] to be complete I also have to do it for both little-endian and big-endian [01:53:56] because Vorbis and Speex use little-endian, and Theora and FLAC use big-endian [01:54:14] <_mary_kate_> vorbis and theora have different endianness? [01:54:19] yes [01:54:32] except for the comment header, where they used the vorbis convention in all four formats [01:55:06] 03nickj * r24369 10/trunk/extensions/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Setting svn:eol-style to native. [01:55:40] were they all designed by the same person and/or at the same time? [01:55:46] no [01:56:27] it's a bit more complicated than ordinary endianness, since it affects both the order of bytes in a word, and the order of fields in a bitfield byte [02:01:39] the ogg container is little-endian [02:09:11] I think FLAC and Theora (VP3) both predate Ogg [02:12:57] 14(INVALID) diff deletes text in edit form in the Page: namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10679 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:20:50] 03(mod) Automatically hyphenate ISBNs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 summary (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:21:01] <_mary_kate_> ITYM hyphenize [02:21:40] My dictionary says that's not a word. [02:21:47] <_mary_kate_> i know, i'm just pulling your leg [02:22:15] *Simetrical thought that was not unlikely [02:22:40] *Simetrical wonders why Wikipedia thinks they need the angry red for "this is the current revision" message [02:30:07] hi, me again [02:30:16] _DannyB|backup, are you here? [02:31:23] anyway, what I want to do is to put the search bod at the top of every page. What is the general technique I should use to achieve this? [02:31:28] Mm, looks like border-image is in FF3. [02:31:43] search box [02:32:51] It's a shame CSS isn't more systematic about this stuff. You could really do border-image with background-image plus some appropriately clever selectors and z-indexes (provided you can make new children/parents using selectors, which I believe you can in CSS). So much easier to implement if it had some slim base stuff and everything else defined as macros on top of that. [02:37:40] css would be a good thing, if one could shoot users of broken browsers right in the face. [02:41:28] It's not entirely Microsoft's fault that they started their browser a few years early and made a perfectly standards-compliant HTML rendering engine. [02:41:38] Rather than a CSS one. [02:43:41] But really, I suspect it could be made much easier to implement. [02:44:41] Here's to a hope that CSS4 will be simplified. Even CSS2 has some bizarre and counterintuitive parts. In CSS3, too, they're just piling on more features, generally useful but not always well thought-out and definitely not simplifying anything. [02:45:19] Is there an extension that exists which would allow automatic page creation via a form? I'm looking for something that can be embedded on a page like input box, where the user enters the name of the article to be created. Upon entering the title and validating, a page with different inputboxes opens up that allows the user to enter the information simply. The extension would then take whatever is entered in this "form" page, create the arti [02:45:19] cle with the name entered from a predefined template with substitutions from the info entered on the "forms" page. Anyone know if there's anything remotely close to that? Something in development? [02:45:39] Not that I've heard of. [02:45:48] Basically a page-creation wizard, in essence. Would be nice to have. [02:46:11] In much simpler words, yes. A page-creation wizard! :) [02:48:11] I'm really not good enough to code extensions for mediawiki. What would be the best place to suggest such a wizard that could attract the attention of people with the right skills? Here? mediazilla? Is there an "extension developper" mailing list? [02:52:14] You could do MediaZilla, MediaWiki Extensions -> Extensions requests. [02:52:22] Don't know if anyone will do it in the foreseeable future. [02:53:28] Any particular reason for this restriction when trying to make the USERINFO data a bit more complete? svn: 'pre-commit' hook failed with error output: /svnroot/mediawiki/hooks/pre-commit-userinfo.php: Can't update multiple USERINFO entries [02:55:03] nickj, I think we're only supposed to be updating our own USERINFOs. [02:56:02] Simetrical: well that won't work. The incompleteness of http://svn.wikimedia.org/users.php is a proof-by-existence. [02:56:24] *brion_away_ won't object to putting ocrrect information in there [02:56:46] *Simetrical notices brion now seems to be occasionally turning up outside office hours [02:57:07] Brion: do you mean I should update them one-by-one, thus avoiding the hook whinging? [02:58:03] in fact, fuck it, that's what I'll do, and if people get annoyed with me then their userinfo can be reverted or deleted. [02:58:27] ideally it shouldn't be whinging [02:58:30] can you be more specific? [02:59:17] brion: http://p.defau.lt/?1Er0IFO7ocNRG_qp74LDug [02:59:29] hiya bpja [02:59:59] :P [03:00:00] laaame [03:00:27] is there a web based search tool for the MW svn repo? [03:00:46] jeremyb, I assume Google works. [03:00:53] hrmm... [03:01:06] i assume not [03:01:06] http://svn.wikimedia.org/robots.txt [03:01:56] although it should allow the pages that don't link anywhere bad (users list, fe) and the index [03:03:14] google seems to agree: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:svn.wikimedia.org notice there are no snippets (and barely any other info) for the results [03:03:24] nickj: it seems to be set to check if you're on a whitelist, and only then lets you edit other peoples userinfo [03:03:25] brion: do you know? [03:03:35] and to only let you do one at a time. kind of annoying imho [03:03:41] (about a tool not about google) [03:03:48] jeremyb: check it out and use grep [03:04:47] hey, I am trying to build an extension that is all AJAX-y and uses HTTPRequest object to get stuff back from the server. Only problem though, is when I echo something from the server I also echo a bunch of other crap.... [03:05:21] as in it echos the whole header of the site [03:05:23] maybe more [03:05:30] does anyone know how to fix this? [03:06:17] DFRussia: well you probably want to be using the ajax framework interface [03:06:18] DFRussia, are you using the AJAX framework or just trying to send a normal request? [03:06:31] jsut trying to send a normal request [03:06:36] how do I use the framework? [03:08:02] brion: well of course i *could* do that, but i wanted to do one search with no expectations to do more before i forget where i checked it out to. many projects have such a tool for their repos (or one is provided by the repo hoster) and i was just wondering if one existed already... i take that as a no [03:08:20] forgot* [03:08:32] not that i know of sorry :) [03:08:48] thx :) [03:09:24] (/me also had no idea how big a checkout was) [03:09:27] *jeremyb fires it up [03:09:53] brion: maybe that hook maybe be disabled? I'm probably the first person to attempt to do this, so I imagine nobody has run into it before. I kind of don't see the point of it. Refusing to let people update or correct information seems kind of odd to me. Even MediaWiki lets you edit other people's user pages :-) . Effectively I'm adding people's names, and where I know of their email address, adding that after obfuscating it with s/@/ Who I [03:10:06] DFRussia: grep -i ajax *.php [03:10:20] nickj: dunno, ask tim [03:10:23] it's his baby [03:10:35] TimStarling: you alive? [03:10:36] wow, that's long. surprised it all made it through... (oh, that's right, i'm using a narrow window irc client now :P) [03:10:38] yes [03:10:43] yay [03:11:00] TimStarling: thoughts on the whole USERINFO thing? [03:11:37] there's a place in the hook file where you can put a list of admins [03:12:06] Tim is alive, thats news [03:12:13] brion: :p [03:12:43] is there some sort of documentation I can find online for the AJAX framework of MediaWiki? [03:12:45] I can probably add you to it if I can find it on mayflower [03:12:56] TimStarling: but can the hook be disabled? E.g. rather than adding people to the list of admins, maybe the problem is the hook. Until people actively abuse this, what does the hook get you? [03:13:27] well yeah, probably not much [03:13:42] it's a bit of a toy [03:13:53] In fact, if a dev went rogue, USERINFO is probably the very last thing they'd go for :-) [03:14:34] DFRussia: we're pretty bad about documentation :) there might be something on www.mediawiki.org but i wouldn't expect it -- look at the existing code [03:14:52] oh noes rouge developers [03:15:09] brion: any suggestion for an extension that uses AJAX well and clearly? [03:15:09] <_mary_kate_> i have rouge hair, does that count? [03:15:13] for me too look at [03:15:16] 03(NEW) page creation wizard - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10688 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Inputbox; (charles) [03:15:57] brion: do you admin viewvc? (and should i ask about making a config change in -tech?) [03:16:34] DFRussia: CategoryTree extension, and the ajax watchlist and upload extras in mediawiki dev trunk [03:16:39] ok, disabled [03:16:48] jeremyb: i do [03:16:53] thank you brion [03:16:57] TimStarling: cheers! Will try committ now [03:17:28] 03nickj * r24370 10/USERINFO/ (42 files): [03:17:29] Updating userinfo, so it's easier to know who folks are. [03:17:31] Added email addresses have been trivially obfuscated with s/@/ Who Is A User At The Host Called /, to help reduce concerns about spam. [03:17:40] heh [03:18:04] woot! [03:18:08] brion: revno's for .php files are links to download the file. revno's for most other types IME are links to the view=markup version and i'd prefer that for .php as well [03:18:15] (not a big deal) [03:19:31] lemme take a peek [03:19:52] _mary_kate_: les cheveux rouge? hawt [03:20:16] 03(mod) page creation wizard - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10688 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [03:21:08] brion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9nptjUs9FM <-this is somehow really funny at 1:58 [03:21:23] jeremyb: do you happen to know what option to flip? i'm a little lost looking fo rthis :P [03:21:49] brion: not even sure if it's an option but i'll dig if you like [03:22:09] <_mary_kate_> VoiceOfAll: some red horses? (i guess my french is a bit rusty) [03:22:28] brion: do you know what rev you're running? (prolly doesn't matter...) [03:22:47] _mary_kate_: lol, your more off than going to google and doing fr -> en with "La Fille aux cheveux rouge" [03:23:00] do it, it's funny [03:23:10] 1.0.x r1668 [03:23:48] brion: I want to learn how to strafe when I dance :D [03:24:08] hold down alt [03:24:37] *VoiceOfAll doesn't get it :( [03:25:01] <_mary_kate_> heh, i am using a german-french dictionary because it's easier than finding an english-french dictionary :) [03:25:09] *brion transports VoiceOfAll back in time to 1994 to play Doom [03:25:24] <_mary_kate_> iddqd! [03:25:28] <_mary_kate_> idspispopd [03:25:31] _mary_kate_: does that video make you laugh? [03:25:39] <_mary_kate_> video? [03:25:59] idclip [03:26:04] *Simetrical tries to remember others [03:26:20] _mary_kate_: the youtube one I linked above [03:26:26] *_mary_kate_ looks [03:26:33] brion: I never played doom [03:26:38] *VoiceOfAll hides and ducks for cover [03:26:46] _mary_kate: go to 1:58 [03:27:00] VoiceOfAll, bah, whippersnapper! [03:27:04] How about Duke Nukem 3D? [03:27:10] NOPE [03:27:17] I remember the good old days of Wolfenstein 3D, come to that. [03:27:23] *VoiceOfAll ducks and fucks for cover [03:27:39] *Simetrical thinks that's a . . . novel way to find a hiding-place [03:28:12] Anyway, mostly we watched our father play, with Wolf 3D. At least at first. A couple of years back I fired up the thing, and whaddya know, I still remembered half the secret passages. [03:28:19] <_tony> I am planning a massive move from one domain/host to another domain/host. How do I make it seamless? I want to make sure histories don't change, users are kept, etc. [03:28:33] mein leben! [03:28:47] brion, aw, the memories! [03:29:19] <_mary_kate_> Simetrical: my uncle had hand-drawn maps of all the wolf3d levels :) [03:29:26] *Simetrical remembers the protagonist's expression upon finding the mighty chaingun . . . which conveniently used the same bullet size as the pistol and submachine gun [03:29:37] *Simetrical gets all misty-eyed [03:29:48] _mary_kate_, I've done stuff like that for other games. [03:29:49] *VoiceOfAll wacks Simetrical [03:29:51] ugh, why is it less than obvious how you do an anon checkout of the viewvc repo? (uname: guest is an easy guess but you shouldn't have to guess *after* reading the first layer of instructions) [03:30:03] *brion awaits a wiigun accessory for a wii version of doom [03:30:20] jeremyb, eh? Uname? Just do svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk or whatever you want. [03:30:21] *^demon figured it out the first time [03:30:26] brion: NO NO, BAD BRION, BAD [03:30:45] Simetrical: *viewvc* repo [03:30:52] Oh, right. [03:31:07] *Simetrical totally needs to replay Doom [03:31:12] brion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElWNFgMqGuE SWEET [03:31:22] Actually, I never really played Doom, I think, just Doom II. [03:31:32] <_mary_kate_> VoiceOfAll: i want 1:58 of my life back [03:31:36] <_tony> Um... is this the right channel to ask my question, or is there a different one? [03:31:46] _tony, no, this is the right place. [03:31:58] _mary_kate_: did you actually play it up to that silly? [03:32:01] <_tony> Oh. [03:32:10] _tony, it should be seamless enough if you just dump and import the database. [03:32:38] _tony, you'll then probably have to rerun config/index.php to regenerate LocalSettings.php with new, appropriate settings. [03:32:57] The database is independent of installation, nothing should break if you just move it. [03:33:07] <_tony> Okay. [03:33:13] <_tony> Thanks :-) [03:33:19] *VoiceOfAll taps _mary_kate_ on the shoulder [03:33:49] _mary_kate_, I long ago stopped clicking on VoA's YouTube videos. [03:34:17] _mary_kate_: that seen was only 10 seconds or so :) [03:34:34] Simetrical: Infidel! [03:37:10] Simetrical: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec07/demdebate_07-24.html [03:37:12] take that! [03:37:32] hmm maybe i can patch it [03:37:33] brion: the wonders of TEh WEB 2.0! [03:37:53] *Simetrical isn't watching these debates either . . . it's what, 16 months until the actual elections? [03:38:13] Plus, I think I registered as a Republican, so who cares about the Democratic primaries. [03:39:33] grr [03:39:36] i broke sth, moment [03:40:18] Simetrical: I would hate to register for either party, ugh [03:40:29] jeremyb: ok done [03:40:43] brion: what was it? [03:41:03] had to hardcode it to think php is a text file type :P :) [03:41:06] *jeremyb confirms it works [03:41:12] where? [03:41:35] (/me is still figuring out what ezt is :-/) [03:42:26] Simetrical: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdAm6UY4xOE <-do you like this fella? [03:42:36] *Simetrical ignores the link [03:42:48] jeremyb: https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Subversion#Viewvc [03:43:16] Simetrical: don't ignore fred :) [03:43:36] I'm not ignoring Fred, I'm ignoring you. [03:49:05] *brion swears off youtube for the rest of the evening [03:49:34] mmmmmm, chai [03:49:35] i'm looking for a really simple to use wiki [03:49:50] flyinprogramer, MW is probably not the best bet. [03:49:50] something like Wordpress only like a wiki [03:49:56] yah i know [03:50:03] i was wondering if someone had any suggestions [03:50:09] flyinprogramer: try that huge wiki database? [03:50:24] jeremyb got a link? [03:50:47] http://www.wikimatrix.org/ [03:50:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software [03:52:37] to be honest, wordpress's posting interface is really wonky imho :) [03:52:43] its admin interface ain't half bad though [03:53:58] thank you [03:54:26] brion yah, i was looking for a wiki with a good admin interface like wordpress [03:55:04] flyinprogramer: dokuwiki might be what you're looking for [03:55:50] brion: you still got a very long 22 hour flight, or did you break it into bits? [03:56:17] 5 hours to los angeles, then a billion hours to taipei ;) [03:56:21] We have a great admin interface. Highly customizable, you can use the text editor of your choice. [03:56:44] lol [03:57:04] simetrical.... "we" [03:57:05] ? [03:57:13] MediaWiki. :P [03:57:18] o [03:57:18] that means you can write your own UI too! :) [03:57:22] (And it was a joke) [03:57:23] yah [03:57:27] i got it : [03:57:29] :D [03:57:40] thanks for the help guys [03:57:41] ttyl [03:58:11] oooh, portland... i've been there [03:58:44] <_tony> oregon or maine? [03:58:53] <_tony> aah, maine. [03:58:57] maine i presume [03:58:59] <_tony> when were you there? [03:59:06] <_tony> i'm about 40 minutes away from there. [03:59:31] where? 2001 [03:59:38] <_tony> sebago lake [03:59:39] 2 weeks [03:59:49] hrmm... don't know that [04:00:07] <_tony> it's where portland gets its water from. [04:00:09] anywhere near bradbury state park? [04:00:14] <_tony> i can pee in their water supply. [04:00:17] <_tony> let me check... [04:00:17] hah [04:00:29] wow, i didn't know anyone else from Maine was ever in this room [04:00:38] i can pee in NYC's water supply i think (not sure if they allow people there) [04:00:45] heh [04:00:50] <_tony> i'm about an hour away from bradbury. [04:00:54] <_tony> Shardsofmetal, you're in maine? [04:01:00] yeah [04:01:02] <_tony> wow. this is crazy. [04:01:07] <_tony> whereabouts? [04:01:11] *jeremyb spent a few days working at bradbury [04:01:16] hollis [04:01:17] i'm there too! [04:01:23] <_tony> YOU ARE FUCKING KIDDING ME. [04:01:27] <_tony> (to basstard) [04:01:43] (oh, i sure am, but dont tell anyone) [04:02:04] <_tony> lol. [04:02:28] wait [04:02:28] Next you're going to find out that you're actually, like, father and son, and didn't realize. [04:02:30] Aren't you. [04:02:31] there are people in maine? [04:02:37] i thought it was one of those mythical states [04:03:00] <_tony> it's actually a city in ontario. [04:03:01] which one's are those? [04:03:07] Is there some way to do something like this: {{PRELOAD_IF_NOT_EXIST|Fishing in Perth|Template:FishingPlaces}}, which would give the link title as "Fishing in Perth", and if the article existed it would view the "Fishing in Perth" article, but if it did not exist, it would open edit mode and preload Template:FishingPlaces as a rough possible outline of the content, to help get people started? [04:03:53] o_O [04:04:10] nickj: so you don't have to check if it exists manually? isn't that a lot to save very little? [04:05:09] Okay, so . . . how is it gedit is using 457 MB of memory with no files open? [04:05:17] mmap? [04:05:33] a leak? [04:05:33] *brion blames gnome [04:05:54] All on the heap. [04:06:02] 455.4 MB of VM used by the heap. [04:06:13] (of crap) [04:06:17] Conveniently I have 3 GB on my machine, so I'm still only using half of it and zero swap, but still, WTF? [04:06:21] jeremyb: Well I'm assuming a level of wiki familiarity among the users that is relatively low, so I want to to be easy to use. If you click the link, you get the content as per normal, if it exists. If not, you get a useful outline. There will be possibly 100s of these general categories of articles, so expecting the poor user to know which they should use is a bit much. It would be nice to help them on their way. [04:06:30] That's either a massive memory leak or a spectacularly stupid feature. [04:07:39] nickj. it's a good idea. [04:08:04] <_tony> i want some fucking pizza. [04:08:11] *Simetrical ponders whether he wants to bother with a core dump, or just make sure to restart it occasionally and forget about it [04:08:38] brion: I love iced-chai [04:08:48] x99: thank you, but I want to determine if it's possible to do it without writing any software ;-) (i.e. just using wikitext) [04:09:10] kind of pricey to go to a coffee shop and drink though [04:09:21] at least as much as I'd like [04:11:41] nickj: hrmm... i think i see the problem now... my alternative is prolly not feasible but here it is: add a category to the page (impossible for a non-existent page, right?) so it's done automatically (maybe only for noobs?). i guess there would need to be a UI for maintaining lists of pages for each category? [04:11:42] *brion points VoiceOfAll at http://www.oregonchai.com/ [04:13:30] oooh http://www.oregonchai.com/recipes/details/?recipeid=46 [04:14:11] jeremyb: I think I got it - in ParserFunctions there is an "ifexists" function. If that does what I hope it does, then everything else is do-able. So yes, I suspect at this stage that it can be done with standard wikitext. [04:14:35] correction - s/ifexists/ifexist [04:14:39] Oh, gnome-terminal is using 117.4 MB of memory. Even after I cleared the scrollback. [04:14:41] . . . [04:14:59] wow, that's a lot of options [04:14:59] nickj: my objection is that it would only work on the linking pages where that syntax is used not any page that links [04:16:04] jeremyb: That's a valid objection, but I don't see any way to easily avoid that problem. [04:16:23] hi. In the template PHP file there are references to $this->msg('whatever'). Where do I edit the values for these variables? [04:16:51] Varange, Special:Allmessages [04:16:57] thanks [04:19:19] Hmm. I think I see core dumps here, but they're sockets. That seems . . . odd. They register as 0 bytes and text editors won't view them. [04:19:24] *Simetrical needs stronger Linux-foo [04:19:39] nickj: have a UI for maintaining a list of pages for each template. or maybe more generally a UI for default categories lists and then check against the content of the default category page. i see problems with that way too though. maybe some kind of microformat in the category page itself to store a list of page names? do you take it off the list upon creation? what if it's deleted because it's too stubby but it's still a wanted page? [04:19:48] did that get chopped? [04:20:16] Simetrical: core dumps should be regular files. what does xxd say? [04:20:23] Simetrical: what does file say? [04:20:52] aryeh@aryeh-desktop:/tmp$ file gedit.aryeh.2584549054 [04:20:52] gedit.aryeh.2584549054: socket [04:20:52] aryeh@aryeh-desktop:/tmp$ xxd gedit.aryeh.2584549054 [04:20:52] xxd: gedit.aryeh.2584549054: No such device or address [04:21:16] Maybe those aren't core dumps, but they're *something* related to my use of kill -6 on the process. [04:21:19] what makes you think it's a core dump? [04:21:31] *jeremyb looks up -6 [04:21:44] I Googled and read somewhere to use kill -6 for a core dump. [04:21:57] 6 ABRT (abort) [04:21:59] ABRT 6 core [04:22:34] Simetrical: well can you repro? [04:22:43] I did the same thing for two processes. [04:22:55] Simetrical: you can attach gdb also but i'm not sure how [04:23:10] Simetrical: so that's a yes? [04:23:20] Yes. [04:23:49] so, http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/GetABacktrace [04:24:03] . . . you know, I honestly don't care much. [04:24:29] does anyone know how reflist works? trying to put references in a wiki im doing [04:24:48] *Simetrical rm's the files, whatever they are, and goes back to what he was doing [04:25:10] For some reason, my wiki wont import the testwiki dump [04:25:19] It keeps complaining "Unknown import source type" [04:25:22] Is there something im stuffing up? [04:26:48] ugh, for some reason viewvc's viewvc instance has a *lot* of repetitive styling (not css) i.e. every row @ annotate [04:28:51] TheFearow: what exactly are you doing? [04:28:58] command line? [04:29:35] No, Special:Import [04:29:45] I'm looking through the code, think I found a bug [04:29:56] TheFearow: exactly what file type and file extension? [04:30:02] Nevermind, I hit "a" on my keyboard [04:30:15] brion: The .xml, decompressed from a download [04:30:21] It's not regognising the upload type [04:30:50] 1) is it in fact decompressed (plain raw xml) [04:30:57] I checked in TextEdit [04:30:59] 2) is it named with .xml extension (no other extensions) [04:31:04] It's not the file, I believe whats happening: [04:31:04] $source = new WikiErrorMsg( "importunknownsource" ); [04:31:10] 3) is it uploading properly (eg not over the maximum post size or upload size) [04:31:26] That's what I can find in SpecialImport thats causing the error, and the source var should be sent [04:31:27] the default upload maximum is something really small iirc [04:32:07] Ahh, but wouldnt the hidden box "source" still be there? [04:32:23] perhaps not if you overflowed the post_max_size [04:32:35] Is there an easier way to import without using HTTP? It's just on my local machine [04:32:53] php maintenance/importDump.php somefile.xml [04:33:39] thanks! [04:35:51] *jeremyb stabs viewvc. the raw file is 130k. the annotated one in html (not even highlighted!) is 2.6MB [04:36:03] hehe [04:36:43] *jeremyb chuckles at google thinking mb= millibars [04:36:49] (2.6 millibars) / (130 kilobits) = 0.015625 m-1 kg s-2 Bytes-1 [04:37:32] brion: Do I just wait, or is it supposed to say something? [04:38:06] TheFearow: it should be outputting status information [04:38:13] this is assuming that you did, in fact, give it input [04:38:22] if you just ran it without giving it an input file, it'll try to read from stdin [04:38:30] That's the problem then [04:38:40] welcome... to unix :) [04:38:46] and that will be quite unproductive [04:38:47] See anything wrong with /Applications/MAMP/bin/php5/bin/php /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/testwiki/maintenance/importDump.php /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/testwiki/maintenance/testwiki.xml [04:39:03] I hate long commands [04:39:21] looks good to me [04:39:37] ought to work [04:39:53] It just likes stdin. This is why I used to use windows [04:39:54] *brion stabs apple for shipping php 4 still :) [04:39:54] TheFearow: you know you can drag files/packages from finder to terminal and it will give you the path? [04:40:20] jeremyb: No, I do know. Ill try that [04:40:34] s/do/didn't/ :) [04:41:19] (that was *supposed* to be a question btw) [04:41:21] Oops, I forgot -f [04:42:14] Nevermind [04:43:20] This is why I dont normally use terminal [04:43:46] *jeremyb hands brion http://viewvc.tigris.org/source/browse/viewvc/branches/1.0.x/lib/viewvc.py?annotate=1696#id62 and http://viewvc.tigris.org/source/browse/viewvc/branches/1.0.x/lib/viewvc.py?annotate=1696#id359 [04:45:50] O_O [04:45:54] ewwwwwwww [04:46:05] and i thought the class names on every cell were bad in the default template [04:47:02] oh, you see what i mean now? [04:47:15] *jeremyb chuckles [04:48:02] 03mikeb * r24371 10/branches/mikeb/phase3/ (9 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) [04:48:04] * small interface change to MimeMagic::guessMimeType: added parameter to more [04:48:06] explicitly control whether the file extension should be trusted. This was [04:48:08] necessary as I needed to pass the file extension in situations where it is not [04:48:10] acceptable to guess mime type based on extension alone. Updated files calling [04:48:12] guessMimeType as necessary. [04:48:14] * changed UploadComplete hook, which used to pass an undefined variable called $img by ref for undocumented reasons beyond me. Now passes the File. [04:49:11] *nickj stabs the sidebar [04:49:13] you can't put any logic in the sidebar - e.g. can't do {{#IFEXIST: page|page|http://site/index.php?title=page&action=edit&preload=Template:page}} [04:49:27] It wouldnt be too hard to implement [04:49:32] nickj: use case? [04:50:32] jeremyb: as per above: E.g. "** page|page" would become "** {{#IFEXIST: page|page|http://site/index.php?title=page&action=edit&preload=Template:page}}|page" (or something like that). [04:51:17] nickj: i don't follow. what what the link in the sidebar say? would it be there on all pages? [04:51:55] bye [04:53:27] jeremyb: it would say the word "page", but if [[page]] existed, then it would have "page" be a link to [[page]], otherwise it would have a link to open [[page]] in edit mode, with some preloaded text. An no, it probably would not appear on all pages (it would appear on a lot, but not all). [04:54:33] nickj: we're rehashing. i understood that a while ago. i just can't see a use case for the sidebar [04:55:26] jeremyb: you don't think it should be in the sidebar? I.e. think it should be in the main article text instead? [04:56:00] *jeremyb is now extremely confused... [04:56:11] *nickj is confused too [04:56:24] hand me a use case? [04:56:57] (i thought you were talking about main art text at the beginning, no?) [04:57:21] and that use case i understand [04:57:26] but not the sidebar one [05:01:10] Well there's going to be a long list of possible links on many pages (around 100), repeating using a similar or identical pattern. One possibility was to put that long list of links into the sidebar area, to get it out of the way and de-clutter the article text. However at first there won't be content on many of the pages, so it would be nice if it could have a mechanism to preload a skeleton to get people started, if there wasn't any cont [05:02:02] hey everybody, I've just set up mediawiki for the first time and I'm trying to upload files(movies and various things), is there a file size limit? BTW I'm running it on a Ubuntu server version 7.04 [05:08:12] kyled185: there is a size limit that's kinda small but i'm not sure what it applies to [05:08:38] nickj: chopped at preload a skeleton to get people started, if there wasn't any cont [05:09:35] nickj: i still don't understand how it would be used. especially since it's targeted at noobs [05:09:47] 03(NEW) Bot edits should be hidden from Special:Newpages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10689 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Prodego) [05:10:50] 14(DUP) Bot edits should be hidden from Special:Newpages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10689 +comment (10Prodego) [05:10:51] 03(mod) Allow hiding logged-in users, bots and patrolled pages on Special:Newpages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1401 +comment (10Prodego) [05:15:27] jeremyb: (sorry, don't know why it chops text sometimes, very annoying) - ... " to get people started, if there wasn't any content there already." I'll try modifying SkinTemplate.php quickly first though, to what it looks like and whether it's actually usable. [05:15:55] <_mary_kate_> nickj: IRC has a length limit of 510 chars per line (including all the protocol data) [05:18:50] nickj: the irc protocol limits message length (for all kinda of messages not just in the ones you see aiui) to 512 bytes including protocol overhead. (pretty sure it's 512 not 510 and bytes not chars) on top of that many IRCds have a built in configurable limit for specific types of messages/commands. for example public messages on channel and topic lengths. don't remember if freenode has one [05:19:03] <_mary_kate_> it's 510 once you take away the \r\n [05:19:30] <_mary_kate_> and char = byte as far as irc cares :) [05:19:34] ohh. well that could be protocol overhead [05:19:51] And usually 5-10 bytes for the message name itself [05:19:56] jeremyb / _mary_kate_ : Okay, but my client should know this, and be smart enough to split into multiple messages, instead of letting me keep typing, and then throwing away the end bit of what I typed **grr** [05:19:58]