[00:01:56] <VoiceOfAll>	yay life!
[00:03:37] <robchurch>	"Is everything typed into the search box safe from the government (or other nairdowells)?"
[00:03:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand list=allusers functionality - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10684  +comment (10yuriastrakhan)
[00:04:05] <robchurch>	x99: <br style="clear: both;" /> at the bottom of the section?
[00:04:33] <x99>	horror.
[00:06:31] <Duesentrieb_>	x99: make a template for it. {{clear}} or something..
[00:08:50] <x99>	rob: that works. 
[00:08:53] <x99>	Thanks
[00:09:36] <x99>	I would have thought this was the default behavior.
[00:10:27] <x99>	It's hard for me to imagine a circumstance when it's acceptable for images to float into a new section.
[00:10:58] <Duesentrieb_>	x99: the problem is that the "clear" is not a property of the image, but of the next section.
[00:11:13] <x99>	Yes, that's what I was thinking.
[00:11:16] <Duesentrieb_>	and you do *not* want all sections always to shift down below any boxes you may have on the roight side
[00:11:27] <x99>	Possible to change the CSS for <h2>  in this way?
[00:11:36] <x99>	Right. Just images.
[00:11:38] <Duesentrieb_>	yes, sure, *if* you want that
[00:11:59] <Duesentrieb_>	you can't tell clar only to work for images. it applies to anything that floats
[00:12:04] <x99>	right floating TOC's a pretty useful.
[00:12:11] <Duesentrieb_>	and infoboxes
[00:14:45] <x99>	anyway to do this without a <br>?
[00:15:05] <x99>	Can I just use <span style="clear: both"></span>?
[00:16:22] <Duesentrieb_>	yes
[00:16:43] <Duesentrieb_>	ideally, you'd apply the style to the h2 - but you can't really do that the wiki way.
[00:16:59] <Duesentrieb_>	hm, actually, the browser might ignore an empty span.
[00:18:43] <x99>	mm, doesn't work
[00:20:19] <ptlis>	Hi, i've been given an sql backup of a mediawiki installation for version 1.3.9 - i'd like to install mediawiki and restore the data from this backup. I was wondering what the best plan would be, to install the latest 1.3 relese, restore the data from the backup and then update?
[00:20:56] <backtrack-fr>	hi all, someone has an idea to run an extension? i downloaded one of them, put it in /extensions/,  after i include "require_once(...)", but it doesn't work -_-
[00:21:53] <setuid>	What would cause this? http://code.gnu-designs.com/Wikipedia_it_001.png
[00:22:22] <x99>	<span style="clear: both"> </span> doesn't work either under safari.
[00:22:31] <Duesentrieb_>	backtrack-fr: "doesn't work" how?
[00:22:38] <x99>	ugh, firefox!
[00:23:11] <backtrack-fr>	Duesentrieb_, do you remember my redirection problem ? it works well now! ^^ 
[00:23:15] <Duesentrieb_>	setuid: broken table syntax. may be caused by a missing template or something like that, too.
[00:23:27] <Duesentrieb_>	backtrack-fr: no i don't :)
[00:23:35] <backtrack-fr>	lol
[00:24:03] <backtrack-fr>	the extension doesn't work... it does nothing
[00:24:17] <Duesentrieb_>	well, maybe it's broken ?
[00:25:42] <Duesentrieb_>	anyway, gotta go to bed
[00:25:51] <backtrack-fr>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbedVideo <
[00:25:56] <backtrack-fr>	look
[00:26:23] <backtrack-fr>	so when i edit my wiki, for exemple i put in "{{#ev:youtube|dMH0bHeiRNg}}"
[00:26:35] <x99>	both.
[00:26:35] <backtrack-fr>	the page give me exactly the same input
[00:26:54] <x99>	What's #ev ?
[00:27:03] <backtrack-fr>	it's a syntax to include video
[00:27:18] <x99>	is it a plugin?
[00:27:40] <backtrack-fr>	The EmbedVideo Extension is a MediaWiki extension which Adds a parser function called #ev for embedding video clips from popular video sharing services.
[00:27:59] <x99>	So what's the problem?
[00:28:43] <backtrack-fr>	The extension doesn't work
[00:28:48] <backtrack-fr>	there is no video
[00:28:59] <setuid>	Duesentrieb_, But which template? 
[00:29:30] <setuid>	Duesentrieb_, As you know, I'm mirroring all of these wikis locally for Plucker conversion, and need to be sure there are no missing bits before I convert it all 
[00:30:41] <x99>	Is there an extension to permit case independent page names?
[00:30:47] <x99>	i.e not just in the first letter?
[00:30:55] <x99>	This is a major pain
[00:31:39] <setuid>	$wgCapitalLinks = 0;
[00:33:24] <setuid>	Hrm, the tables/css works with the monobook skin, but not a few of the others
[00:36:59] <setuid>	Is there some magical mojo that lets me know when I'm missing a template, and which template it is? 
[00:40:04] <setuid>	Here's another one: http://code.gnu-designs.com/Wikipedia_it_002.png
[00:40:36] <CIA-13>	03rotem * r24445 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[00:42:14] <CIA-13>	03rotem * r24446 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Fix.
[00:42:41] <_Danny_B_>	<Duesentrieb_> hm, actually, the browser might ignore an empty span. - that's why i alway wonder, why we have <div class="visualClear"></div> in code
[00:43:46] <flyingparchment>	x99: no(t yet)
[00:45:13] <yurikny>	is there a reason not to expose the list of all available user groups on a wiki?
[00:45:33] <yurikny>	is it for any reason a security breach?
[00:45:57] <x99>	setuid: wgCapitalLinks is just for the first letter, right?
[00:46:20] <x99>	yurikny: no
[00:46:22] <CIA-13>	03robchurch * r24447 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Some style tweaks, per Brion
[00:46:46] <setuid>	x99, Any idea which templates I'm missing here? 
[00:46:57] <setuid>	I see things like: Template:baseball-reference 
[00:47:33] <x99>	setuid: huh? you don't have any with a default install
[00:48:24] <setuid>	I have quite a few installed, and keep finding more of the pages requiring templates that I haven't yet required()
[00:48:49] <setuid>	I'm currently using these: http://rafb.net/p/XNp1DD19.html
[00:49:33] <setuid>	Here's another: 
[00:49:34] <setuid>	Template:mexico-musician-stub
[00:49:34] <setuid>	id:Marcelo Trevino 
[00:51:04] <Leefmc>	Question: Is anyone aware of any type of mediawiki poll system? I want to have monthly polls, and to make it as seemless as possible i'd like it to be within mediawiki. I've heard of some poll types, but is anyone aware of any?
[00:52:09] <setuid>	Leefmc, Drupal
[00:52:22] <Leefmc>	mediawiki poll system
[00:52:24] <Leefmc>	:)
[00:53:07] <Leefmc>	i don't want to force users to register on dupal just to poll. Plus there are some things that i'd want to be integrated into the wiki system (poll logs, details, etc)
[00:54:09] <setuid>	Then use ldap behind mediawiki and drupal, problem solved
[00:55:05] <x99>	yes, not a bad idea.
[00:55:30] <x99>	even though ldap itself is absolutely revolting.
[00:58:02] <setuid>	Is there a doc out there somewhere that describes which templates are needed to make a local mirror of Wikipedia work like the public version? 
[01:02:02] <x99>	setuid: you'll net all of them -- many thousands.
[01:02:06] <x99>	neeed
[01:02:26] <setuid>	I have all of them here, I just need to know which ones to requrie
[01:02:30] <setuid>	er, require
[01:03:17] <x99>	all of them, obviously!
[01:03:24] <setuid>	There are only 160 of them
[01:03:44] <x99>	wikipedia only has 160 templates?
[01:04:00] <x99>	les impossible!
[01:04:18] <setuid>	The svn tree, under ./extensions/ only has 160 
[01:04:34] <x99>	You are confusing extensions and templates!
[01:05:13] <setuid>	Well, adding the right extensions, gets rid of the Template:foo errors in the UI 
[01:05:43] <x99>	Look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:version
[01:05:59] <setuid>	uh, yeah? 
[01:06:04] <setuid>	MediaWiki:Version
[01:06:05] <setuid>	From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[01:06:05] <setuid>	Jump to: navigation, search
[01:06:05] <setuid>	Version
[01:06:15] <setuid>	I'm impressively underwhelmed
[01:07:18] <Leefmc>	Has anyone had any experience with: http://wikipoll.free.fr/mediawiki-1.6.5/index.php?title=Source_code
[01:07:25] <Leefmc>	Wikipoll
[01:07:59] <x99>	sorry special:version
[01:09:37] <setuid>	x99, So those are the ones I need? 
[01:12:36] <setuid>	I have most of them included, some aren't in the tree though
[01:20:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function to resolve special pages to canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10449  (10thomas.dalton)
[01:21:01] <setuid>	hrm, still have some missing templates or extensions
[01:21:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function to resolve special pages to canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10449   +need-review +patch (10thomas.dalton)
[01:33:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Closing of Herero Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10690  (10cbrown1023)
[01:39:02] <Cbrown1023>	O_o
[01:41:12] <Tango42>	Hi! If anyone has a moment, could they take a look at and comment on my patches for bug 9026 and bug 10449? Thanks!
[01:56:55] <CIA-13>	03river * r24448 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[01:56:57] <CIA-13>	- new field: page_key, stores page_title in uppercase.
[01:56:59] <CIA-13>	 schema change, maintenance script included
[02:14:23] <VoiceOfAll>	...
[02:20:53] <VoiceOfAll>	flyingparchment: your river?
[02:20:55] <VoiceOfAll>	ahhh
[02:21:03] <VoiceOfAll>	so what's with the schema change?
[02:21:13] <VoiceOfAll>	*you're
[02:21:18] <datura>	n8
[02:22:51] <flyingparchment>	VoiceOfAll: case-insensitive lookup of page titles
[02:36:45] <[1]SigmaProject>	Hey all.  I'm confused about how to make a right-side panel list, like on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing for example.  How do I create that right-panel list that has "Editing, start new pages, page name" etc
[02:37:42] <[1]SigmaProject>	what is that area called, and how do I create one and link it to another page
[02:46:48] <[1]SigmaProject>	Anyone?
[02:46:58] <setuid>	No one
[03:02:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) sep11 wiki still on Special:SiteMatrix - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10273  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[03:06:33] <CIA-13>	03brion * r24449 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Undo r24394; not really comfortable with this change. Probably not ideal for installations without thumbs enabled
[03:13:00] *VoiceOfAll 	wonders were brion is... :)
[03:13:06] <VoiceOfAll>	*where
[03:13:18] <brion>	taipei
[03:13:50] <VoiceOfAll>	brion: havin fun?
[03:14:24] <brion>	so far we've taken the bus into town, slept, and sat around waiting for people so we can go get breakfast
[03:14:26] <brion>	it's pretty awesome
[03:14:32] <brion>	http://flickr.com/photos/brionv/940880585/
[03:15:05] <brion>	i should warn you though
[03:15:09] <brion>	WE GOT SARS! http://flickr.com/photos/brionv/940885077/
[03:15:24] <setuid>	hahhaa
[03:15:29] <setuid>	brion, How do you like your iPhone? 
[03:15:44] <brion>	it's not mine ;_;
[03:15:45] <brion>	it's rob's
[03:15:49] <brion>	i just covet it
[03:15:51] <setuid>	heh
[03:15:57] <brion>	(robh, not robchurch :)
[03:16:00] <setuid>	right
[03:16:02] <VoiceOfAll>	wow, haha!
[03:16:06] <VoiceOfAll>	those drinks
[03:16:37] <brion>	ok, catch ya later
[03:17:30] <tokai-work>	Hi! Is there a way I can get a category page to list items in the category first and the sub-categories second?
[03:38:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #49, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10724  +comment (10shinjiman)
[03:39:52] <Evanion>	hey .. does anyone know any easy to use tutorial on how to add a infobox to the upper right hand corner (mutch like hte infobox for countrys over at wikipedia)?
[03:40:30] <Evanion>	i know i have to use templates ... but i can't get it to work
[03:43:02] <Evanion>	been working with this for a wile now ... google .... mediawiki .. but i just seem to hit a brick wall everywhere i turn ... maby im just stupid that doesn't understand what the resources that are awailable is explaining :/
[04:28:57] <CIA-13>	03erik * r24450 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/Database scripts/Convenience/Generate page titles for set.php: Hack for generating page titles
[04:43:37] <flyingparchment>	"Does anyone know of anyone or a website which does cheap off-shore Mediawiki code development?"
[04:43:49] <flyingparchment>	why would you want 'off-shore' mediawiki development?  is that a euphemism for 'Indian'?
[06:09:08] <CIA-13>	03erik * r24451 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: update milos
[06:10:41] <CIA-13>	03erik * r24452 10/trunk/tools/planet/de/config.ini: +Frank
[06:50:24] <Raymond_>	morning
[06:52:55] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) recentchanges query returns 'rc_user_text' in 'user' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10644  +comment (10yuriastrakhan)
[06:57:53] <PG|Dean>	goodmorning, can anyone give me a hand with some template problems?
[06:57:56] <PG|Dean>	shouldn't take long
[06:58:07] <puzzlet>	don't ask to ask, just ask
[06:58:33] <PG|Dean>	well that's what I did
[06:58:39] <PG|Dean>	my templates aren't showing properly
[07:01:05] <PG|Dean>	http://phenomena.student.utwente.nl/phenomena/wiki/index.php/Tantus_onero
[07:01:15] <PG|Dean>	some of them are pretty fucked up
[07:06:45] <PG|Dean>	anyone?
[07:17:37] <PG|Dean>	?
[07:21:51] <Raymond_>	PG|Dean: you need to install the extension ParserFunctions
[07:22:14] <PG|Dean>	Thank you!, lemme see if I can find it
[07:24:34] <PG|Dean>	Alright, I found http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions
[07:24:50] <PG|Dean>	I'm gonna try installing it
[07:25:17] <hippietrail>	shouldn't this line get query.php to work on my wiki? require_once("$IP/extensions/BotQuery/query.php");
[07:32:58] <PG|Dean>	right, that's much better!
[07:33:19] <PG|Dean>	only thing that I need to fix now is allow file uploading, does anyone know how 2 fix it?
[07:35:53] <hippietrail>	i know programming but not server configuration and i can't figure out how to get the botquery extension installed/working
[07:43:52] <jeremyb>	hippietrail: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query ??
[07:44:23] <jeremyb>	PG|Dean: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads
[07:44:50] <PG|Dean>	thank you thank you thank you!
[07:44:54] <jeremyb>	sure
[07:44:58] <hippietrail>	jeremyb: no api.php doesn't have the feature i need but query.php does
[07:46:19] <jeremyb>	what do you need?
[07:46:56] <hippietrail>	i need to check for the presence of pages on interwikis
[07:47:58] <hippietrail>	i need for instance an existence report on a bunch of pages on a bunch of related wikis like en:Dog fr:Chein de:Hund
[07:48:01] <Plueschi>	why canīt i us <colgroup> in tables???
[07:49:36] <jeremyb>	Plueschi: istr it's banned for wikimedia sites... are you talking about your own instance?
[07:50:23] <jeremyb>	hippietrail: you just want a list of interwiki links on a page?
[07:51:00] <Plueschi>	jeremyb: yes my own instnce
[07:51:08] <hippietrail>	jeremyb: no
[07:51:53] <hippietrail>	i want to know if certain pages actually exist whether or not the current page has an interwiki link to them
[07:53:45] <jeremyb>	hippietrail: so, how are you generating the list of pages that you want to check existence for?
[07:55:16] <jeremyb>	Plueschi: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=986
[07:55:18] <hippietrail>	i am scanning the dom of a translations section on a page of the english wiktionary
[08:09:08] <jeremyb>	hippietrail: why not scan the raw wikitext?
[08:09:34] <CIA-13>	03yurik * r24453 10/trunk/phase3/ (11 files in 3 dirs): 
[08:09:36] <CIA-13>	API:
[08:09:38] <CIA-13>	* Added full text search in titles and content (list=search)
[08:09:40] <CIA-13>	* (bug 10684) Expanded list=allusers functionality
[08:09:42] <CIA-13>	* Possible breaking change: prop=revisions no longer includes pageid for rvprop=ids
[08:09:44] <CIA-13>	* Bug fix: proper search escaping for SQL LIKE queries.
[08:11:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Expand list=allusers functionality - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10684  +comment (10yuriastrakhan)
[08:14:55] <jeremyb>	hippietrail: ping
[08:18:13] <hippietrail>	jeremyb: sorry firefox semi-lockup
[08:18:28] <jeremyb>	np
[08:18:41] <hippietrail>	jeremyb: the scanning i have working. and the local querying. now i need to do remote querying
[08:19:19] <jeremyb>	hippietrail: i think you have to just do one query for every foreign wiki
[08:20:00] <hippietrail>	jeremyb: no query.php supports it
[08:20:29] <hippietrail>	or so i'm told
[08:20:30] <jeremyb>	how?
[08:20:36] <hippietrail>	http://en.wiktionary.org/w/query.php?titles=dog|fr:chien|de:Hund
[08:21:56] <hippietrail>	but i'm not convinced it really looks on the offsite wikis
[08:23:16] <jeremyb>	i'm convinced it doesn't.  just have to prove it :P
[08:24:24] <hippietrail>	yeah somebody here told me about it a few days ago but i forget who - looks like it doesn't work
[08:24:58] <jeremyb>	http://en.wiktionary.org/w/query.php?titles=dog%7Cfr:chien%7Cde:Hund&what=content
[08:25:11] <jeremyb>	you get english content for all 3
[08:25:34] <jeremyb>	what's your use case?  are you going to be doing the query a lot?
[08:26:13] <jeremyb>	(if it was possible to do that from a single wiki, wouldn't it be possible (and desirable) to have red interwikilinks?)
[08:27:42] <jeremyb>	hippietrail: ^
[08:30:51] <hippietrail>	yes i want to set interwiki links red or blue
[08:38:23] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24454 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUndelete.php: Fix regression: message 'imghistory' was deleted in r24432 but still used in SpecialUndelete.php. Now replaced with the new message 'filehist'.
[08:39:48] <jeremyb>	hippietrail: are you writing an extension?
[08:40:07] <TheFearow>	The system is unreliable for inter-wiki communication - possibly infuture, wikis can communicate using the api.php system. Currently, the interwiki system doesnt know the location of api.php - maybe thats a possible addon
[08:40:53] <hippietrail>	jeremyb: a javascript proof of concept
[08:41:04] <jeremyb>	ohh
[08:41:17] <jeremyb>	that explains the DOM
[08:41:57] <hippietrail>	yes we definitely need some api for querying "clusters" of inerwikid wikis on the same "server" at least
[08:43:41] <yurikny>	??
[08:43:44] <yurikny>	not sure what you mean
[08:44:13] <yurikny>	api.php is tied to one lang
[08:44:43] <hippietrail>	yes various language brothers of the same wiki such as en.wiktionary.org and fr.wiktionary.org
[08:44:56] <jeremyb>	yurikny: you missed a little context
[08:44:57] <jeremyb>	(and i don't really know what api.php is but i have played with query.php)
[08:45:23] <yurikny>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
[08:45:33] <yurikny>	not much different, except bigger and better :)
[08:45:39] <yurikny>	yes, i came a bit late
[08:46:08] <yurikny>	can you copy/paste the conv to the pastey?
[08:49:46] <_wooz>	lo
[08:50:25] <hippietrail>	let me know if you have more questions - i'm busy coding in another window
[08:51:12] <jeremyb>	well, at least it doesn't return the local page with api.php (but also doesn't say if it's a valid page)
[08:51:17] <jeremyb>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&titles=w:Lake|w:lajsljfx|Main%20Page|IRC%20channel%20quotes
[08:52:19] <yurikny>	jeremyb: i fixed that a while back
[08:52:53] <Plueschi>	how can i get such as on the wikipedia mainpage?? (do i need any extion to get them?)
[08:53:01] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Comments for deletion of old versions of images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10740  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:53:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ability to give a reason when deleting old image revision - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7535  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:53:11] <Plueschi>	how can i get such boxes as on the wikipedia mainpage?? (do i need any extion to get them?)
[08:53:45] <jeremyb>	yurikny: still broken for query.php
[08:54:00] <jeremyb>	Plueschi: what do you mean?
[08:54:14] <yurikny>	jeremyb: query.php will not be fixed in any big way - only very very minor updates
[08:54:33] <yurikny>	it is obsolete, and has by far less functionality then the new api.php
[08:54:58] <yurikny>	i think userinfo is the only module i haven't implemented in the api yet
[08:55:25] <jeremyb>	whoa!  since when is a lowercase page name (in rendering) possible?!?!?
[08:55:43] <Plueschi>	jeremyb: On the wikipedia.com main pager der are boxes like "in the news" how can i get such boxes
[08:55:46] <yurikny>	isn't there a css hack for that?
[08:56:09] <yurikny>	Plueschi: take a look at the source of the page
[08:56:19] *jeremyb 	checks
[08:57:21] <jeremyb>	yurikny: {{DISPLAYTITLE:{{#if:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{NAMESPACE}}:|}}{{lcfirst:{{PAGENAME}}}}}
[08:57:24] <jeremyb>	( {{lowercase}} )
[08:57:32] <Plueschi>	yurikny: thanks i just tried it in the german version of wikipedia an there it didnīt work
[08:57:59] <yurikny>	jeremyb: iick!
[08:58:14] <yurikny>	wasn't there a template for this kind of things?
[08:58:18] <jeremyb>	yurikny: don't ask me how it works :)
[08:58:38] <jeremyb>	yeah.  {{lowercase}}
[08:58:48] <jeremyb>	that's what i copied from
[08:58:52] <yurikny>	you just include the template, provide the proper title, and it does the rest?  Ok, guess that works
[08:59:36] <jeremyb>	no.  just {{lowercase}} as the first line.  no params
[09:01:01] <jeremyb>	Plueschi: wikipedia.org?
[09:01:54] <jeremyb>	Plueschi: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit  see the "In the news, On this day" section
[09:02:31] <jeremyb>	Plueschi: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:In_the_news
[09:05:12] <jeremyb>	can anyone explain why there are so many copies of the Main Page?  (i understand /Tommorrow but not /1 /2 /3 etc.
[09:05:12] <jeremyb>	)
[09:12:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Closing of Herero Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10690  (10triyork)
[09:15:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Closure_of_Chamorro_Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10706  (10triyork)
[09:17:08] <Avatarms>	hi all
[09:17:10] <Avatarms>	^^
[09:17:19] <jeremyb>	hi
[09:17:26] <Soroush83>	hi
[09:21:38] <Soroush83>	I've installed a mediawiki
[09:21:50] <Soroush83>	and it has a bug with parser functions
[09:22:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Closure of Quechua Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10747 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (triyork)
[09:22:55] <Soroush83>	It says 
[09:22:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Closure of Quechua Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10747   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[09:24:34] <Soroush83>	Error 500: Internal server error:Parser::replaceInternalLinks:$this->m this is null
[09:24:46] <Soroush83>	Can anyone help me with it?
[09:34:41] <Soroush83>	Is anyone here who can help me with making known css codes in mediawiki?
[09:35:05] <Soroush83>	my media wiki doesn't know the following codes: collapse;" cellpadding="5" |- ! colspan="2" style="font-size: 120%; padding: 0.5em; text-align: center;
[09:35:17] <Soroush83>	and echos them :(
[09:35:18] <Avatarms>	if i know a wiki page name, how can i get the page content? like a function call in the PHP code...
[09:35:53] <Avatarms>	Soroush83 do you want to insert a css code in an output page?
[09:36:14] <Soroush83>	I've enabled wgSiteCss and Js as well :(
[09:36:18] <Soroush83>	yes
[09:36:23] <Soroush83>	like wikipedias
[09:36:46] <Soroush83>	I've installed their extensions installed on it ...
[09:36:55] <Avatarms>	i needed that too
[09:36:57] <Avatarms>	wait a sec
[09:37:00] <Avatarms>	i search the code
[09:37:03] <Soroush83>	thanks
[09:37:31] <Avatarms>	$wgOut->addHeadItem( 'link', '<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="'.$lcIP.'lcCss.css" />');
[09:37:44] <Avatarms>	where $lcIP is your dir
[09:37:58] <Avatarms>	and the css is in a exsternal file
[09:38:34] <Soroush83>	testing now
[09:38:38] <Avatarms>	^^
[09:38:59] <Soroush83>	by the way do you wnat to get a page codes?
[09:39:07] <Soroush83>	wiki codes?
[09:39:17] <Avatarms>	the text
[09:39:26] <Avatarms>	only the article text
[09:39:36] <Soroush83>	so why don't you use its url
[09:39:48] <Soroush83>	personally generate it.
[09:40:08] <Avatarms>	i have the wikiname of the page
[09:40:17] <Avatarms>	and i'm running in an ext
[09:40:23] <Avatarms>	why use a url?
[09:40:29] <Avatarms>	i'm sure there is a
[09:40:31] <Soroush83>	hmmm
[09:40:35] <Avatarms>	getPagebyWikiName
[09:40:39] <Avatarms>	somewhere
[09:40:47] <Avatarms>	but i don't remember
[09:40:48] <Avatarms>	:|
[09:40:50] <cathper>	I want to take down a mediawiki and keep the content in text files, pdf files or something similar. Is WikiPDF the way to go, or is there better alternatives?
[09:41:18] <cathper>	Well, I don't "want to", rather I "have to" :-)
[09:41:32] <Avatarms>	ahahah
[09:43:11] <Avatarms>	damn :( i'm sure that method exist somewhere :|
[09:45:23] <Soroush83>	Dear Avatarms, I think I couldn't tell you my problem well!!!
[09:46:25] <Avatarms>	or maybe i don't understand
[09:46:26] <Avatarms>	XD
[09:46:33] <Soroush83>	I mean I've copied the code of template:SettingSummary
[09:46:39] <Soroush83>	to my wiki but
[09:46:54] <Soroush83>	it has a wikitable and it doesn't show
[09:47:14] <Soroush83>	the colors and other things
[09:47:19] <Soroush83>	it echos 
[09:47:35] <Avatarms>	:|
[09:47:45] <Soroush83>	collapse;" cellpadding="5" |- ! colspan="2" style="font-size: 120%; padding: 0.5em; text-align: center; background-color: #ccccff;" | MediaWiki Setting: SettingSummary     colspan="2" style="text-align: center; margin: 0.3em;" Please edit this page to enter a summary
[09:47:49] <Soroush83>	:(
[09:48:03] <Soroush83>	Do you think what can be wrong?
[09:49:57] <Soroush83>	I have Charinsert and ParserFunctions installed and
[09:50:32] <Soroush83>	in my localsettings.php I have the following codes :
[09:50:33] <Soroush83>	$wgAllowUserCss = true;
[09:50:33] <Soroush83>	$wgAllowUserJs = true;
[09:50:33] <Soroush83>	$wgUseSiteCss = true;
[09:50:33] <Soroush83>	$wgUseSiteJs = true;
[09:50:33] <Soroush83>	$wgUseAjax = true;
[09:50:37] <Soroush83>	:(
[09:51:20] <Avatarms>	i don't really know :( sorry :(
[09:51:55] <TheFearow>	!pastebin | Soroush83
[09:51:55] <mwbot>	Soroush83: Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as <http://mediawiki.pastey.net> and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[09:53:01] <Avatarms>	$mediaWiki->articleFromTitle($title); <---- -.-''''
[09:53:05] <Avatarms>	found
[09:53:05] <Avatarms>	-.-
[09:53:18] <cathper>	Hmm, WikiPDF gives loads of errors, the first being "Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/local/www/data/comp-adm/wiki/extensions/wikipdf/wikipdf.php on line 89". Any hints? Is WikiPDF outdated, deprecated, ... ?
[09:54:40] <Soroush83>	congratulations to you  Avatarms
[09:55:24] <Soroush83>	thanks mwbot. Are you a bot?
[09:55:30] <Soroush83>	I'll do it
[10:00:35] <Avatarms>	i'm testing
[10:00:37] <Avatarms>	:|
[10:03:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Choctaw Wikipedia should be closed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10748 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (triyork)
[10:05:40] <Vadi>	hi
[10:06:22] <Avatarms>	hi vadi
[10:07:29] <CIA-13>	03river * r24455 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/patch-page_key.sql: add missing file
[10:10:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Closing of Herero Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10690  (10robin_1273)
[10:11:56] <CIA-13>	03river * r24456 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql: need name_key index in tables.sql too
[10:21:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Closing of Herero Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10690  (10robin_1273)
[10:29:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable subpages on the Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10749 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (robin_1273)
[10:39:58] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24457 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[10:39:59] <CIA-13>	* (bug 10724) Update Chinese translations
[10:40:01] <CIA-13>	 Patch by Shinjiman
[10:40:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #49, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10724  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[10:41:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable subpages on the Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10749   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[10:59:53] <M4rX>	test
[11:00:38] <M4rX>	spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[11:00:55] <Raymond_>	M4rX: wenige.
[11:01:06] <M4rX>	ok
[11:02:03] <Raymond_>	M4rX: hast du denn auch eine frage?
[11:02:27] <M4rX>	ja schon, wollte aber erstmal versuchen mich zu registrieren
[11:02:54] <M4rX>	und schaue gerade nach wie es funktioniert
[11:03:09] <hippietrail>	is anyone here good with html colours or know of a site with good html colour tools?
[11:05:55] <Sundance_Raphael>	morning
[11:10:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) A meaningless upload warning - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10750 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (meno25bugzilla)
[11:10:53] <hippietrail>	i need to create some colours that match existing monobook colours
[11:11:51] <hippietrail>	i want to keep the intensity / saturation of the red and blue links and change only the hue, plus i want a "visited" variant that is shaded the same as the red and blue link colours shade for being visited
[11:13:00] <Sundance_Raphael>	hippietrail: you mean the hexadezimal code?
[11:13:09] <hippietrail>	Sundance_Raphael: yes
[11:13:18] <Sundance_Raphael>	like #FF0000 for red?
[11:13:31] <hippietrail>	well that's not wiki redlink red but yes
[11:14:01] <Sundance_Raphael>	the code isverry simple
[11:15:14] <asmarin>	hi
[11:15:20] <Sundance_Raphael>	#000000 is black and the every to numbers are standing for the part of the callors red green and blue (in this order)
[11:15:30] <hippietrail>	we use ba0000 for red and 002bb8 for blue
[11:15:45] <hippietrail>	Sundance_Raphael: oh yes i understand the rrggbb part
[11:15:46] <asmarin>	i want to mix two wikis but has some articles on both
[11:16:13] <asmarin>	how i can make a mix with only differents articles?
[11:16:19] <hippietrail>	Sundance_Raphael: i'm good at the technical stuff bad at artsy stuff like picking a nice colour that matches
[11:16:55] <Sundance_Raphael>	ah
[11:17:14] <Sundance_Raphael>	you need help by find the right layout
[11:17:50] <Sundance_Raphael>	damm i have my monster hex table not an my stick
[11:18:05] <Sundance_Raphael>	ther were all collers of blue
[11:18:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Two new options in Special:Whatlinkshere - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10751 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (meno25bugzilla)
[11:19:26] <hippietrail>	i thought there might be a nice site with rgb and ymk and hue and other twiddly controls
[11:20:09] <Sundance_Raphael>	hippietrail: that must in the main.css stand
[11:20:57] <hippietrail>	i want to find the right colours and then put them in the user css or site css on various sites i work on
[11:22:21] <hippietrail>	i've developed some extensions where a link can have meanings other tahn just "page exists" and "page does not exist"
[11:32:35] <hippietrail>	are there any plans for a centralized way to query various language variants of the same wiki?
[11:36:55] <cathper>	Anyone using PdfExport?
[11:38:03] <cathper>	I only get errors; Either "Cannot modify header" if the require_once is placed in the bottom of LocaleSettings.php or "failed to open stream" if it's placed in the top.
[11:48:54] <asmarin>	bye
[12:01:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Table data missing on first page view - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10737  (10efaulk1100)
[12:03:40] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Two new options in Special:Whatlinkshere - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10751  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[12:03:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow separated inclusions, links, redirects on whatlinkshere - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6934  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[12:09:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) test bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10752 minor; low; Kate's Tools: General/Unknown; (thangam73)
[12:09:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Floating sidebar not working in Standard - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123  (10thangam73)
[12:09:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [[page|http://url/]] should link to page, not http://url/ - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2  (10thangam73)
[12:12:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) test bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10752  (10thangam73)
[12:13:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) User not informed of automatic rename on upload ( destination contained braces) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3155  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[12:16:39] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24458 10/trunk/ (17 files in 16 dirs): * (bug 10713) Message file for Lao language (lo)
[12:17:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update for Lao language (lo) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10713  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[12:22:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) sep11 wiki still on Special:SiteMatrix - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10273  (10innocentkiller)
[12:27:04] <Pamal>	Hi there, Is there a way to use scripts within the media wiki? f.e. I got a list of items, each item has a section called location, location can be A B or C... I want to generate a list of items where location=A
[12:27:37] <Pamal>	or maybe a manual for something like that?
[12:29:19] <CIA-13>	03catrope * r24459 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/ (255 files in 24 dirs): apiedit: API: Merging r23745 through r24457. Will merge conflicting files later.
[12:31:08] <hippietrail>	can we have a javascript variable to tell us whether a submit action is for preview or a view changes?
[12:53:44] <Pamal>	hmm seems there is no way to generate a list on the fly
[12:56:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multi-select Namespace Search - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10718  (10eep)
[13:30:46] <rjwill>	im looking to somehow import a tikiwiki based wiki to mediawiki- any insignt would be appreciated
[13:46:12] <sylvain__>	Hello, I disable account creation, but then how do he admin (me) can create an account for someone?
[13:46:32] <Soroush83>	hey sylvain
[13:46:52] <Soroush83>	go to Special:Userlogin through search
[13:46:56] <Soroush83>	to do that
[13:50:56] <sylvain__>	Thanks a lot
[13:55:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  +comment (10alefzet)
[13:55:50] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  (10alefzet)
[13:58:21] <UT2K3>	how can i create a subcategory of a kategory
[13:59:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) test bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10752  (10EN.WP.ST47)
[14:10:56] <CIA-13>	03greg * r24460 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Database.php DatabasePostgres.php): Add function to check if function-based indexes are supported by the backend DB.
[14:15:06] <Duesentrieb_>	UT2K3: simply categorize the subcategory...
[14:15:13] <lmk>	howdy
[14:15:31] <lmk>	having seen something like this ( http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71586-zj8j ) on wikipedia
[14:16:09] <lmk>	(i assume that's hiding the whole thing unless {{{Years_active|}}} is fulfilled)
[14:16:25] <lmk>	is it possible to replicate that on a standard mediawiki?
[14:18:42] <Duesentrieb_>	lmk: using the parserfunctions extension, yes
[14:22:07] <Plueschi>	i use a list ("<ul>") and the points are one below the others. Is there an easy posibility to get them side by side??
[14:22:32] <Duesentrieb_>	css
[14:23:39] <lmk>	Duesentrieb_: cool, i'll get on to that, is it a relatively popular/widely-used extension, would you say?
[14:23:41] <akahn>	Plueschi: to elaborate on what Duesentrieb_ said, you need to apply the css rule display: inline; to those elements
[14:24:06] <Duesentrieb_>	lmk: yes, it is.
[14:24:11] <Duesentrieb_>	also well maintained
[14:24:17] <lmk>	mm would think so
[14:24:19] <lmk>	ah, great
[14:24:19] <Plueschi>	i will try thanks
[14:24:24] <akahn>	Plueschi: you can check out #css for more help
[14:37:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable subpages on the Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10749  (10cbrown1023)
[14:41:27] <Tango42>	Hi! I asked last night, but I don't think anyone was here, so I'll ask again. Could someone who has a spare moment take a look at and comment on my patches for bug 9026 and bug 10449? Thanks!
[14:49:31] <Duesentrieb_>	Tango42: people are lazy. post a link.
[14:51:28] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_: sorry, the way I have my IRC client configured, those automatically turn into links. I forget not everyone uses the same config.
[14:51:33] <Tango42>	i'll get the links
[14:51:41] <Tango42>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9026
[14:51:48] <Tango42>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10449
[14:55:15] <Duesentrieb_>	Tango42: the first one i have no idea about. the seconds one looks good, although it might be better to return the prefixed title, no?
[14:56:45] <Tango42>	you mean with the Special: bit? Possibly. I was basing it on PAGENAME which doesn't include it (if memory serves).
[14:57:06] <Duesentrieb_>	yea, right
[14:57:28] <Duesentrieb_>	Tango42: also, the term is "canonical", not "generic", right?
[14:58:00] <Tango42>	yeah... I got "generic" from the feature request. I've been thinking canonical would be better...
[14:59:38] <Tango42>	thinking about it, I don't think it's useful to include the prefix. The use given in the feature request is for interwiki linking, so it would have to the be canonical prefix, which is always "Special", so it's easier to just let people include that bit themselves if they want it
[15:01:02] <Duesentrieb_>	yea, i guess you are right
[15:05:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function to resolve special pages to canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10449  +comment (10thomas.dalton)
[15:05:52] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_: I've uploaded a new patch with CANONICALNAME instead. It's a couple of characters longer, but it is the more standard term.
[15:06:04] <Tango42>	thanks for the advice
[15:06:37] <Duesentrieb_>	hm... if i have a MediaWiki message that has a special syntax (kind of like MediaWiki:Sidebar), would it be sane to hook in custom rendering for that page? i.e. it wouldn't render using wiki syntax rules, but using special rules for that special syntax?
[15:07:18] <Duesentrieb_>	Tango42: np. i'm not into applying other peoples patches atm though... perhaps wait for rob to roll in.
[15:07:42] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_:  sure, will do.
[15:08:58] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_:  It would probably be useful, but maybe not sane... the parser is evil enough as it is without adding in special cases for individual pages...
[15:09:49] <Duesentrieb_>	well, the idea was rather to bypass the parser completely. but it's a bit non-obvious. i guess i'll make a special page instead.
[15:10:03] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_: might be better to decide on a special syntax that renders nicely anyway
[15:10:46] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_: Bypassing the parser still requires putting a special case in parser.php, doesn't it?
[15:10:50] <Duesentrieb_>	Tango42: well... do you know how MediaWiki:Sidebar works? 
[15:10:58] <Duesentrieb_>	wha? no.
[15:11:07] <Duesentrieb_>	special pages can be hooked in cleanly.
[15:11:30] <Duesentrieb_>	but making a "normal" page behave like a special page (i.e. bypass the parser), that would be ugly, probably
[15:11:47] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_: not off the top of my head, no. Special pages are fine, but a mediawiki message isn't a special page.
[15:11:55] <Duesentrieb_>	but that trickery would not be in parser.php, but when the Article instance is created
[15:12:05] <Duesentrieb_>	yea, exactly
[15:12:23] <Duesentrieb_>	i'll make Special:Gadgets a preview of MediaWiki:Gadgets
[15:12:37] <Tango42>	ok, so the special case goes in article.php - still ugly. (I lose track of what happens in what file...)
[15:12:46] <Tango42>	that's probably the best way, yes
[15:13:41] <akahn>	What can a user do to get a mainpage like Wikipedia has? Is that just coded by hand?
[15:14:30] <^demon>	akahn: It's mostly controlled from templates.
[15:14:36] <Tango42>	akahn: just view the source of Wikipedia's main page and you can see how it is done
[15:15:06] <Duesentrieb_>	Tango42: not good advice.. that's very tricky.
[15:15:48] <Duesentrieb_>	akahn: basically, it's done by hand, using normal html (div and/or table) and css features. wikipedia uses a lot of templates to split it up, but you probably don't need/want that.
[15:15:51] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_: understanding the source for Wikipedia's main page? If you want to make a similar main page for yourself, you're going have to accept the trickyness
[15:16:14] <Duesentrieb_>	naw, you kan skip all the nested templates stuff. 
[15:16:21] <Tango42>	i wouldn't advise doing it without templates - keeping it up-to-date would be a nightmare
[15:16:31] <Duesentrieb_>	Tango42: try to understand how the main page on mediawiki.org works - it drives me crazy every time :)
[15:16:41] <Jack_Phoenix>	ugh
[15:16:43] <Jack_Phoenix>	I mean
[15:16:47] <Jack_Phoenix>	Wikipedia's main page is so simple
[15:16:55] <Jack_Phoenix>	when comparing to MediaWiki.orgs :P
[15:17:00] <Duesentrieb_>	right :)
[15:17:06] <Duesentrieb_>	hey brion 
[15:17:16] <Tango42>	i've never looked at mediawiki.org's source... i'll take a look now
[15:17:33] <Duesentrieb_>	Tango42: try to find out what includes what and when...
[15:17:42] <akahn>	Duesentrieb_: gotcha. i'll get coding. how about their splash page, how is htat set up?
[15:17:56] <Duesentrieb_>	splash page?
[15:18:25] <akahn>	Duesentrieb_: before you get to the main page, it has an image, and links to all the languages and then a search box
[15:18:52] <Duesentrieb_>	akahn: ah - that's not a wiki page. it's simply a static html page on wikipedia.org
[15:19:10] <CIA-13>	03yaron * r24461 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: 
[15:19:12] <CIA-13>	Overhaul - all input validation and adding/removing of instances of multiple
[15:19:14] <CIA-13>	templates is now done through Javascript instead of PHP. Also, 'TemplateField'
[15:19:16] <CIA-13>	class now holds more data, so many functions take in less parameters; more
[15:19:18] <CIA-13>	CSS styles are now stored in CSS file instead of inline; and various other
[15:19:20] <CIA-13>	streamlining of the code.
[15:19:24] <Duesentrieb_>	akahn: it's basically an entry page to several wikis
[15:19:56] <CIA-13>	03yaron * r24462 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormClasses.inc: Added more fields, for use by FormPrinter class
[15:20:01] <akahn>	Duesentrieb_: so, to do that on my wiki i would make an index.html and have it refer to index.php
[15:20:26] <Duesentrieb_>	well, if you just have one wiki, it's pointless
[15:20:42] <CIA-13>	03yaron * r24463 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/ (SF_AddData.php SF_EditData.php): Modified to work with new Javascript input-validation setup
[15:20:46] <Duesentrieb_>	simply redirect to the wiki's main page
[15:21:58] <CIA-13>	03yaron * r24464 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php): New version - 0.4
[15:22:57] <akahn>	Duesentrieb_: of course it's pointless, but it's what my boss asked for ;)
[15:23:43] <Duesentrieb_>	haha!
[15:23:58] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_: OK, i've taken a look at mediawiki's main page. It appears that everything is done in subpages of the main page template, with one page for each part in each language. These are then transcluded into the main page template using the main page/include template, and then that is transcluded into the main page. Did I miss anything?
[15:24:04] <Duesentrieb_>	how about asking him *why*?
[15:24:29] <Duesentrieb_>	Tango42: i dunno, every time i try to edit this, i go crazy :)
[15:24:39] <CIA-13>	03yaron * r24465 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/skins/SF_main.css: More definitions, for use in actual forms
[15:24:40] <Duesentrieb_>	it's hard to find the right bits, sometimes
[15:24:45] <Tango42>	Duesentrieb_: the trick is not to edit it.
[15:25:17] <Duesentrieb_>	indeed. write once
[15:30:22] <akahn>	Duesentrieb_: i think he probably just wants us to copy everything wikipedia does ;)
[15:30:30] <CIA-13>	03kim * r24466 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/small/ra3.pl: minor changes indeed
[15:30:53] <akahn>	What is the code to embed another article in an article?
[15:31:38] <Jack_Phoenix>	akahn: {{:Article name}}
[15:31:41] <^demon>	{{:article name}}
[15:31:48] <akahn>	Thanks!
[15:31:55] <Duesentrieb_>	akahn: {{foo}} embeds Template:foo, {{User:foo}} embeds User:Foo, {{:foo}} embeds Foo.
[15:32:01] <Tango42>	or {{NAMESPACE:article name}} if it's not in the main namespace
[15:33:00] <akahn>	Is there any way to parse or format that output?
[15:34:23] <Tango42>	akahn: I don't think so. What kind of thing do you want? It just includes the wikitext in the article as is (give or take some noinclude, includeonly and onlyinclude tags)
[15:34:33] <cub>	I'm trying to use html form in my wiki page.  It spits out the HTML code instead of using those HTML tags.  How do I put this in action ?
[15:35:15] <cub>	it starts with <FORM method="post" action=bar.php"> blah blah  </FORM>
[15:35:26] <ialexandre>	cub: $wgRawHtml = true;
[15:35:29] <cub>	I want some check boxes and drop down boxes
[15:35:41] <akahn>	Tango42: i'm trying to put the 'newpages' on the main page, but i don't need all the info with the creator, line numbers, diff links, etc.
[15:35:46] <ialexandre>	in LocalSettings.php
[15:36:10] <ialexandre>	and then put this in <html>...</html>
[15:36:33] <Tango42>	akahn: I don't think there is any way to do that without altering SpecialNewpages.php
[15:36:43] <ialexandre>	cub: is your wiki acessible to everyone ?
[15:36:55] <cub>	ialexandre: no it's not, but I'll try that now....thanks
[15:37:12] <Jack_Phoenix>	akahn: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newest_Pages sounds like something you could use
[15:37:21] <akahn>	Jack_Phoenix: thanks, i'll check taht out
[15:37:27] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[15:37:35] <ialexandre>	cub: because this can be very dangerous
[15:37:35] <akahn>	Tango42: how would i go about creating a custom page, that's based on newpages?
[15:37:58] <cub>	ialexandre: oh, it's behind a firewall and all...
[15:38:00] <cub>	thanks
[15:38:29] <ialexandre>	cub: that's not the problem, everyone can put any code in the page
[15:38:54] <cub>	ialexandre: it's okay, i'm only building a prototype for a small group of people 
[15:39:04] <cub>	just for "look" for now
[15:39:12] <Tango42>	akahn: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_a_new_special_page
[15:39:38] <akahn>	Tango42: great, thank you
[15:39:39] <Tango42>	akahn: check out the extension Jack_Phoenix linked to first, though, it might do what you want
[15:42:23] <ialexandre>	cub: there is also an extension that allow this tag only if the page is protected : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML
[15:47:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function to resolve special pages to canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10449  +comment (10wikipedia.danny.b)
[15:51:52] <_Danny_B_>	things like {{PAGENAME}} are to be calle parser functions or they have any other name such as magic words, variables etc?
[15:52:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function to resolve special pages to canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10449  (10thomas.dalton)
[15:54:01] <Tango42>	{{PAGENAME}} is a "variable" which is a subset of "parser functions". The PAGENAME bit is a magic word. (I think)
[15:59:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add magic words to resolve canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10449  summary; +comment (10wikipedia.danny.b)
[16:03:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add magic words to resolve canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10449  (10thomas.dalton)
[16:04:07] <akahn>	What is the namespace that regular articles are in called?
[16:04:28] <Duesentrieb_>	akahn: "the main namespace". it's canonical name is the empty string, it's numeric id is 0
[16:04:41] <akahn>	ok
[16:04:56] <Duesentrieb_>	it's -> its. omg.
[16:05:50] <akahn>	well i'm trying to use Extention:Newest_Pages, that Jack_Phoenix referred me to, and i want it to display only pages from the main namespace, not newly uploaded images, newly created users, etc. it seems to have a way to refer to specific namespaces, but not a way to limit to the main namespace. do you see a way? http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/NewestPages/README
[16:08:11] <Duesentrieb_>	akahn: well, i used "main" for that when writing Extension:News - at least I think i did. don't know about NewestPages
[16:09:08] <Duesentrieb_>	grr... i need to inject js and css code into the head tag - below the site stuff, but above the user stuff. i can's see a way to do it that would be compatible with existing custom skins...
[16:09:36] <akahn>	Duesentrieb_: i tried using Main but it still includes the other stuff
[16:09:45] <Duesentrieb_>	i can use OutputPage::addScript  fopr injection, but that goes below the user stuff :(
[16:09:53] <Duesentrieb_>	akahn: well, did you try ""? 
[16:10:47] <akahn>	that seems also to not work. wouldn't it just treat that the same as not having an argument?
[16:11:56] <Duesentrieb_>	akahn: yes, if it's coded badly.
[16:12:28] <Duesentrieb_>	or maybe the parser eats empty attributes? i don't know... i havn't even looked at how NewestPages works :)
[16:12:39] <akahn>	Duesentrieb_: well that's what it seems may be the issue. is there a way to restrict certain namespaces
[16:12:42] <Duesentrieb_>	me extension is better anyway (by definition)
[16:13:04] <Duesentrieb_>	my, of course
[16:13:37] <Jack_Phoenix>	Hi brion. :)
[16:13:51] <akahn>	Duesentrieb_: yours does the same thing?
[16:15:34] <thiessenp>	Greetings, quick question: I'm looking into using mediawiki for a community web site. I'd like to customize it to look like the average Web site and restrict editing etc. I looked through the FAQ and searched google - no luck. Would anyone know of a how to or something like that on how to customize the look of mediawiki and access control?
[16:15:55] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[16:16:32] <Duesentrieb_>	akahn: i don't know really, i guess it does. have a look :)
[16:16:41] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24467 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe.php: Updates German
[16:17:33] <Duesentrieb_>	thiessenp: access control is in the faq. look for "restricting access". customizing the look falls under "skins" - that's a bit tricky, but tehre's an example somewhere on mediawiki.org i think
[16:17:55] <thiessenp>	Ok, thanks - I'll take a closer look.
[16:20:45] <akahn>	Duesentrieb_: duh, i shoulda read that help file better... it says to use - for the main namespace
[16:23:58] <CIA-13>	03robchurch * r24468 10/trunk/extensions/BackAndForth/BackAndForth.class.php: Don't assume we're getting a ResultWrapper back from Database::select(); incompatible with 1.10.x otherwise
[16:24:11] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24469 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Update for r24423 by Rotem
[16:24:30] <VoiceOfAll>	brion: someone should pretty up image histories
[16:24:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) rebuildLanguage.php bug with newlines - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10266  -need-review ; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[16:29:20] <Duesentrieb_>	hm... BeforePageDisplay doesn't work with CologneBlue, does it?
[16:37:02] <imownbey>	how can I not have api.php spit back html version of xml
[16:37:15] <microtux>	hi
[16:37:39] <Duesentrieb_>	imownbey: format=xml
[16:37:52] <Duesentrieb_>	or some such. it tells you on the help page
[16:38:41] <microtux>	i have a problem with ConfirmAccount extension in mediawiki
[16:39:22] <microtux>	i followed the tutorial to set it up, but it fails
[16:39:41] <microtux>	when i try to connect to my mediawiki
[16:39:45] <microtux>	it answers 
[16:39:51] <microtux>	404 page not found
[16:39:55] <microtux>	any help?
[16:40:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sysops should know whether a certain page is watched or not - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10753 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (meno25bugzilla)
[16:41:26] <Duesentrieb_>	microtux: are you sure it's the extension causing it? an extension to cause a 404 is odd. but other than that, ask the extension's author. 
[16:41:51] <CIA-13>	03robchurch * r24470 10/trunk/extensions/RandomImage/RandomImage.php: Update documentation URL
[16:42:47] <microtux>	Duesentrieb_, it worked well before installing the extension 
[16:43:31] <CIA-13>	03robchurch * r24471 10/trunk/extensions/LinkSearch/LinkSearch.php: Tweak desc
[16:44:17] <VoiceOfAll>	Duesentrieb_: want to clean up image histories?
[16:44:27] <VoiceOfAll>	they look pretty bad atm
[16:44:47] <VoiceOfAll>	maybe <li> tags weren't so bad after all
[16:46:48] <VoiceOfAll>	microtux: do you have other extensions?
[16:49:43] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) rebuildLanguage.php bug with newlines - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10266  +comment (10huji.huji)
[16:50:47] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, i guess your the maintainer of the extension ??
[16:50:58] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, i don't have any other extesion
[16:52:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable importing from all wikis to Meta - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10754 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (meno25bugzilla)
[16:54:44] <Duesentrieb_>	hm... why is "headscript" placed at the very end of the head tag in monobook?
[16:55:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rebuildLanguage.php bug with newlines - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10266  (10raimond.spekking)
[16:55:28] <Duesentrieb_>	wouldn't it make more sense to put that before userjs and usercss, to allow it to be overwritten?...
[16:56:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Users should be able to edit their own comments - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10755 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: MediaZilla; (meno25bugzilla)
[16:56:53] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, so? can you help?
[16:57:33] <VoiceOfAll>	microtux: not sure what causes that, I've heard of it before, but I don't think that it is that extension specifically
[16:59:18] <VoiceOfAll>	what version of MediaWiki do you have?
[16:59:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users should be able to edit their own comments - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10755  +comment (10daniel)
[17:01:22] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, 1.10.1
[17:03:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rebuildLanguage.php bug with newlines - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10266  (10huji.huji)
[17:06:16] <lmk>	using parserfunctions IF statement inside an infobox template; does that mean i have to 'manually' put the table together (<table><td>...etc)? because using the "|" character would seem to interrupt the parserfunction
[17:07:23] <ialexandre>	lmk: you can create a template that contain only a |
[17:08:14] <ialexandre>	like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:!
[17:08:35] <lmk>	i take it that's common practice?
[17:08:49] <ialexandre>	yes
[17:09:09] <lmk>	cool, thanks very much
[17:09:34] <ialexandre>	there is also templates that use <table><tr>...
[17:09:57] <Sundance_Raphael>	cu
[17:12:43] <microtux>	!paste
[17:19:56] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, So? any suggestion? did you tried this Extension on mediawiki 1.10.1
[17:20:45] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, can you send me a file "ExtensionFunctions.php" that works without problems?
[17:21:00] <VoiceOfAll>	don't think so, but it should work in 1.10
[17:21:08] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, i guess that this file is th source of the problem.
[17:21:10] <VoiceOfAll>	maybe it is an apache issue
[17:21:22] <VoiceOfAll>	can't help much there, that error isn't that common
[17:21:33] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, everytime i make a change in this file; errors change
[17:21:53] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, so send me ExtensionFunctions.php please.
[17:22:02] <VoiceOfAll>	you can get it from SVN
[17:24:07] <VoiceOfAll>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ExtensionFunctions.php?view=markup
[17:26:02] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, ok thank you; i'll try with this file
[17:33:10] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, i invoked the following url : http://192.168.1.55/mediawiki/
[17:33:28] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, and the error was : The requested URL /var/www/mediawiki/index.php/Accueil was not found on this server.
[17:33:47] <VoiceOfAll>	192 is private methinks
[17:33:59] <VoiceOfAll>	go to http://whatsmyip.org/
[17:34:59] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, i know; i'm trying it on my LAN first 
[17:35:48] <Jack_Phoenix>	Hey robchurch. :)
[17:35:53] <robchurch>	o/
[17:38:27] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, ithink that the problem is in index.php/Accueil, isn't it ?
[17:41:27] <VoiceOfAll>	microtux: btw, do you have $wgEnableEmail on?
[17:42:45] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, yes
[17:43:26] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll,  $wgEnableEmail      = true;
[17:43:54] <VoiceOfAll>	microtux: where did you add the include_once() line?
[17:46:12] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, at the end of LocalSettings.php
[17:46:23] *VoiceOfAll 	gives up
[17:47:47] <microtux>	VoiceOfAll, !give up
[17:54:07] <AphelionZ>	What's the php to get the title of the current article?
[17:54:26] <AphelionZ>	like, from inside a parser function or extension
[17:56:41] <CIA-13>	03aaron * r24472 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (3 files): *Add acr_deleted to make a real b-tree, should make indexes less retarded. This should be the last random schema change as I'll be marking this as 'stable' soon.
[17:57:31] <VoiceOfAll>	AphelionZ: there are various ways to extract it, not sure what you are doing
[17:57:51] <AphelionZ>	VoiceOfAll: is $parser->mTitle one of them?
[17:58:03] <VoiceOfAll>	that is the title of the parsed page, yes
[17:58:45] <AphelionZ>	ok
[17:59:40] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Users should be able to edit their own comments - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10755  +comment (10robchur)
[18:00:10] <RedACE>	hehe, +comment
[18:10:32] <DarsVaeda>	hi, i get two errors...don't have any idea:
[18:10:34] <DarsVaeda>	Error: Failed to derive URL prefix for Timeline API code files
[18:10:41] <DarsVaeda>	exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /includes/GlobalFunct
[18:10:51] <DarsVaeda>	anyone an idea?
[18:11:34] <DarsVaeda>	woops the full error is: exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1842
[18:22:04] <robchurch>	What version of MediaWiki?
[18:22:35] <DarsVaeda>	newest
[18:23:35] <lmk>	with something like this http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71593 - if the middle one isn't entered a blank line is still left behind, as opposed to the last bullet being a regular linebreak down from the first bullet
[18:23:41] <robchurch>	Is it? So that'll be 1.11alpha, bleeding edge, latest revision? Or perhaps you can actually give me the version number?
[18:23:53] <lmk>	way to fix that?
[18:24:10] <DarsVaeda>	:P 1.10.1
[18:24:59] <robchurch>	You're attempting to use an extension, possibly EasyTimeline?
[18:25:13] <DarsVaeda>	i have some but not timeline
[18:25:24] <DarsVaeda>	its happening while trying to view a svg
[18:25:53] <DarsVaeda>	could be related to the preview-image creating, because it says it can't create the preview
[18:25:55] <robchurch>	That would also make sense; the SVG rendering handler code will usually call wfShellExec.
[18:25:57] <Soroush83>	How can I enable parsing some html tags(including div, span, directives like float, colspan and...) like wikipedias and other simillar wikis
[18:25:59] <Soroush83>	?
[18:26:21] <ialexandre>	lmk: put the }} of the two first at the begennig of the next line
[18:26:25] <robchurch>	Soroush83: Those tags are whitelisted, the parser will clean and tidy them up as necessary and let them through; just use them.
[18:26:40] <Soroush83>	how?
[18:26:46] <Soroush83>	where?
[18:26:53] <robchurch>	In the wiki text of a page...
[18:27:12] <Soroush83>	I've installed mediawiki 1.9. but it does not  support them
[18:27:34] <robchurch>	DarsVaeda: The SVG rasterising code attempts to execute an external application to do the actual work, and your host has disabled PHP's ability to do this.
[18:27:39] <Soroush83>	I can't use templates and other tags have been used in other wikis
[18:27:42] <robchurch>	Soroush83: IS this a public wiki?
[18:27:58] <lmk>	ialexandre: the bullets are working, each one is on a new line correctly... although when the middle one isn't entered (and thus hidden), it leaves a blank line behind
[18:28:03] <DarsVaeda>	this exec function - right?
[18:28:05] <lmk>	know what i mean?
[18:28:10] <robchurch>	DarsVaeda: That is correct.
[18:28:16] <DarsVaeda>	i guess there is no workaround, i think they wont activate it
[18:28:25] <robchurch>	Probably not, no.
[18:28:28] <Soroush83>	one version of my wiki is in http://neyshabur.110mb.com/wiki/index.php/%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%E2%80%8C%DB%8C_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C
[18:28:50] <DarsVaeda>	so only thing would be to restrict svg for upload
[18:28:52] <Soroush83>	but I have installed more extensions on my local wiki and it did not pay
[18:29:52] <robchurch>	Soroush83: <div> works for me - see http://neyshabur.110mb.com/wiki/index.php/Sandbox
[18:30:13] <robchurch>	DarsVaeda: SVG isn't in the default list of uploadable images, so far as I recall.
[18:31:42] <robchurch>	Soroush83: Can you point me to a page on your wiki with a simple case of markup which doesn't work for you, but which works somewhere else?
[18:32:16] <Soroush83>	http://neyshabur.110mb.com/wiki/index.php/%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%AF%D9%88:SettingSummary
[18:32:16] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Set xml:lang by each translated subpage of Template:Languages, especially for Wikimania sites - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10736  +comment (10ping.nsr.yeh)
[18:32:28] <Soroush83>	this does not work  robchurch
[18:32:39] <Soroush83>	niether on my local wiki nor there
[18:32:42] <robchurch>	Oh, I see.
[18:32:46] <robchurch>	{{#if:}} and stuff
[18:32:57] <robchurch>	You need to install the ParserFunctions extension to be able to use those conditionals.
[18:33:34] <robchurch>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions
[18:33:38] <lmk>	i think the linebreaks in each #if are being included whether the condition has been satisfied or not (http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71593)
[18:33:56] <Soroush83>	I know 
[18:34:12] <Soroush83>	but i've installed parser functions on my local wiki
[18:34:15] <lmk>	ie; if dateofbirth isn't entered, realname and nationality have a blank line between them (breaking the bulleted list)
[18:34:16] <ialexandre>	lmk: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71594
[18:34:28] <Soroush83>	I'll install it on that now
[18:34:51] <Soroush83>	but I'm sure the tables will not work :(
[18:35:17] <Soroush83>	I've been working on it since 12hours ago :(
[18:35:31] <Soroush83>	I mean the tables
[18:37:00] <lmk>	ialexandre: still no good :/
[18:37:56] <ialexandre>	lmk: is it a local wiki ?
[18:38:12] <lmk>	what do you mean?
[18:38:21] <lmk>	do i host it? no
[18:38:46] <ialexandre>	is the wiki histed by the wikimedia fudation ?
[18:38:52] <ialexandre>	*hsted
[18:38:58] <ialexandre>	*hosted
[18:39:18] <lmk>	no
[18:39:33] <ialexandre>	lmk: did you installed the ParserFunctions
[18:39:35] <ialexandre>	?
[18:39:39] <lmk>	yep
[18:39:54] <lmk>	it hides the stuff ok
[18:39:58] <lmk>	but leaves a blank line
[18:40:58] <ialexandre>	lmk: it leaves a blank line when the middle if is hidden ?
[18:41:06] <lmk>	yep
[18:41:39] <lmk>	which ever #if is hidden still takes up a line, even though the text is not there
[18:44:03] <RedACE>	ialexandre, a fudation is something that spreads FUD?
[18:44:24] <ialexandre>	RedACE: :D
[18:44:47] <ialexandre>	RedACE: i forgot the "n"
[18:44:56] <robchurch>	RedACE: That would certainly apply. ;)
[18:45:36] <RedACE>	fundation?
[18:46:04] <ialexandre>	RedACE: yes
[18:46:52] <ialexandre>	*foundation
[18:47:03] <robchurch>	Wikimedia FUDation.
[18:47:06] <robchurch>	Got a nice ring to it.
[18:57:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) img_auth. php Does Not Protect Images if $wgWhitelistRead is Undefined - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10756 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (nhoeller)
[18:58:03] <lmk>	ialexandre: would you care to take a look at the wiki in question?
[18:59:08] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: I miss the table styling for image histories
[18:59:14] <VoiceOfAll>	everything looks off now
[18:59:27] <robchurch>	That's why God invented CSS.
[18:59:33] <robchurch>	Or if not God, then someone just as nifty.
[19:02:10] <ialexandre>	lmk: yes
[19:04:16] <lmk>	using http://wiki.qwdrama.com/Template:Player-info
[19:04:38] <lmk>	as seen in http://wiki.qwdrama.com/User:Lemike (notice the 4 blank lines above "admin of:")
[19:08:44] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24473 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[19:08:46] <CIA-13>	Separate date and time in new 'filerevert-intro', 'filerevert-defaultcomment' and 'filerevert-success' messages to allow a better localization.
[19:08:48] <imownbey>	i have a page that is titled Stocking/harvesting_programs
[19:08:51] <CIA-13>	It's always a mess to localize with timestamps, at least in German :-(
[19:08:53] <imownbey>	but now I cant access it
[19:10:31] <ialexandre>	lmk: on http://wiki.qwdrama.com/index.php?title=Template:Player-info put the </noinclude> at the beginning of the next line (just before <includeonly>)
[19:12:22] <lmk>	on the same line as <includeonly> or on the line before it?
[19:12:23] <CIA-13>	03rotem * r24474 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[19:12:45] <ialexandre>	lmk: on the same line
[19:12:51] <Soroush83>	Dear robchurch
[19:13:08] <Soroush83>	I installed the extensions
[19:13:17] <robchurch>	<clippy> It looks like you're writing a letter. Do you need some help?
[19:13:29] <Soroush83>	but the main problem has remained :(
[19:13:30] <robchurch>	<clippy> ( ) Help me write a letter
[19:13:36] <Soroush83>	http://neyshabur.110mb.com/wiki/index.php/%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%AF%D9%88:SettingSummary
[19:13:44] <robchurch>	<clippy> ( ) Print this blank page
[19:13:45] <imownbey>	anyone?
[19:13:50] <robchurch>	[or my personal favourite]
[19:14:02] <lmk>	ialexandre: and have {{ #if... on the same line too?
[19:14:03] <robchurch>	<clippy> (+) Fuck off and die, and never darken my desktop again!
[19:14:27] <ialexandre>	lmk: yes
[19:14:49] <lmk>	okay pushed to a new line "</noinclude><includeonly>{{ #if: ...etc"
[19:14:53] <lmk>	still same behaviour
[19:15:35] <Soroush83>	Why doesn't my mediawiki show tables well?
[19:15:56] <Soroush83>	Have a look at http://neyshabur.110mb.com/wiki/index.php/%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%AF%D9%88:SettingSummary plz
[19:19:29] <RedACE>	why is everything backwards
[19:19:42] <RedACE>	and random pictures instead of words?
[19:20:15] <RedACE>	the missing < on includeonly> may affect things
[19:24:04] <lmk>	ialexandre: Player-info, not Infobox_Player
[19:25:41] <Soroush83>	I've installed a wiki and it doesn't show table colors and table settings well. it just echos the styles I've set for them 
[19:26:04] <Soroush83>	look at http://neyshabur.110mb.com/wiki/index.php/%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%AF%D9%88:SettingSummary
[19:26:11] <Soroush83>	What is the problem?
[19:29:12] <Soroush83>	:(
[19:29:42] <ialexandre>	lmk: and now ?
[19:30:57] <lmk>	nice, man
[19:31:38] <lmk>	annoying problem hey, it's still not perfect too, the line-spacing is higher than normal
[19:31:42] <lmk>	thanks a lot though
[19:33:05] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: any way to at least make the (Talk | contribs | block) links not bleed over?
[19:34:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Render wikilinks in site/user CSS/JS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10410  (10wikipedia.danny.b)
[19:36:39] <Soroush83>	ialexandre: Can you have a look at my problem?
[19:37:24] <RedACE>	we'd need a mirror just to look at your wiki
[19:38:01] <Soroush83>	my problem is just collapse;" cellpadding="5" |- ! colspan="2" style="font-size: 120%; padding: 0.5em;
[19:38:01] <RedACE>	and some kind of magical hieroglyphics decoder ring
[19:38:27] <Soroush83>	aha I got what you say
[19:38:32] <Soroush83>	It's rtl
[19:39:02] <Soroush83>	but what I show you is just a template. I'll install a ltr now
[19:39:33] <RedACE>	|- denotes a new row
[19:39:39] <RedACE>	it needs to be on a line by itself
[19:39:50] <RedACE>	you have it in the middle of a line
[19:41:11] <RedACE>	there
[19:41:18] <Soroush83>	I've just copy-paste it from mediawiki.org I'll install an ltr now
[19:41:34] <RedACE>	I made some changes
[19:41:44] <Soroush83>	great
[19:42:31] <lmk>	it must get really demanding in a support channel where your visitors know you're able to actually go in and fix it for them
[19:42:34] <lmk>	:)
[19:42:36] <feltipen>	has anyone installed WikiED to their wiki before?
[19:42:44] <Soroush83>	Thanks very much. I wonder how silly I am :(
[19:42:49] <Soroush83>	Thanks
[19:43:16] <Soroush83>	It worked. I was working on it for about ten hours
[19:43:21] <RedACE>	hehe
[19:43:21] <Soroush83>	:)
[19:44:28] <feltipen>	i want to do a site-wide installation and the faq instructs me to add the code to my "MediaWiki:Common.js" page, but when i attempt to reach the page through my wiki's search box, it tells me the page doesnt exist
[19:44:35] <feltipen>	should i just make it and install the code there?
[19:46:03] <RedACE>	yes
[19:47:57] <feltipen>	right on, thx
[19:48:27] <feltipen>	the other problem is that it's asking me to edit a file i cant find
[19:48:29] <feltipen>	php.ini
[19:57:49] <AphelionZ>	is there a way to easily render a link to an article using the Title object?
[19:57:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #49, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10724  (10shinjiman)
[19:57:56] <AphelionZ>	or some such similar object
[20:01:29] <robchurch>	Yep.
[20:01:46] <robchurch>	Call Linker::makeLinkObj( $title );
[20:01:59] <robchurch>	But don't actually call it statically, use the skin.
[20:02:21] <ialexandre>	$wgUser->getSkin()
[20:02:56] <robchurch>	Well, it depends on the context. Parser extensions normally get the Skin from the ParserOptions, which the parent Parser supplies.
[20:06:08] <AphelionZ>	ok,s o...
[20:06:33] <AphelionZ>	im writing a parser extension
[20:06:44] <AphelionZ>	so i can call $parser->getSkin() to get what
[20:07:02] <Soroush81>	Thanks to 85.2.198.150
[20:07:06] <Soroush81>	as well :)
[20:07:58] <AphelionZ>	or $parset->getOptions()
[20:08:31] <AphelionZ>	$parser->getOptions()->getSkin() basically
[20:08:35] <robchurch>	yes
[20:08:42] <AphelionZ>	what's the connection between that and thre makeLinkObj function?
[20:08:56] <robchurch>	makeLinkObj() is an inherited method in Skin/SkinTemplate.
[20:10:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #49, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10724  +comment (10shinjiman)
[20:10:54] <AphelionZ>	ok so $skin = $parser->getOptions->getSkin and then call $skin->makeLinkObj($title)
[20:13:08] <robchurch>	Yes.
[20:13:25] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24475 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[20:13:27] <CIA-13>	* (bug 10724) Update Chinese translations
[20:13:29] <CIA-13>	 Patch by Shinjiman
[20:13:48] <AphelionZ>	thanks!
[20:13:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #49, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10724  (10raimond.spekking)
[20:14:55] <Raymond_>	robchurch: what do you say to >	http://raymond.dnsalias.net/wikitest/index.php/Image:Wildkatze.jpg (table design)?
[20:16:03] <robchurch>	Before I look, let me just point out that the original CSS for the file histories thing that I did was based on Tim's CSS for Special:Imagelist; I was attempting to be consistent, and I pointed this out to Brion, who expressed a dislike for the style on Special:Imagelist.
[20:16:19] <Raymond_>	ok
[20:16:34] <robchurch>	I have no personal interest in how pretty the table is, so long as it's not *ugly* or unreadable. I'd prefer it if we had some UI consistency.
[20:17:02] <robchurch>	Having said that, and looked at your example, I'm inclined to think the light borders might be an acceptable compromise.
[20:17:25] <robchurch>	And the kitty is cute, too. ;)
[20:17:31] <Raymond_>	:)
[20:18:00] <robchurch>	Aaron doesn't seem too keen on the borderless approach, and I've got to admit, it does seem a bit less clear, so *shrug*
[20:19:42] <Raymond_>	robchurch: ok, I will commit the change soon. 
[20:20:27] <robchurch>	Perhaps we should just challenge brion to do something prettier. :P
[20:23:47] <RedACE>	we should build a wall along the border
[20:26:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialPage hooks are broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10719  +comment (10seventowers)
[20:28:35] <iam8up|brk>	on wikipedia i see some different classes such as "prettytable sortable", can anyone tell me where to find the code for these classes?
[20:30:07] <AlexSm>	just check all CSS files ...
[20:30:41] <iam8up|brk>	AlexSm - css files?
[20:30:53] <robchurch>	iam8up|brk: sortable means the table is eligible to be sorted using MediaWiki's built-in sorting script.
[20:31:11] <robchurch>	Other classes are usually defined in the sitewide CSS, e.g. MediaWiki:Monobook.css or MediaWiki:Common.css (both are wiki pages)
[20:31:13] <iam8up|brk>	robchurch - if i apply the same class on my mediawiki i don't get the same borders, backgrounds, etc
[20:31:37] <iam8up|brk>	it's different between the two mediawiki installs and we're using the same theme...
[20:36:30] <feltipen>	hmm the rss/atom option just disappeared from my toolbox
[20:36:38] <feltipen>	weird
[20:45:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable importing from all wikis to Meta - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10754  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[20:46:37] <Cbrown1023>	O_O
[20:47:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	you O_O
[20:55:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users should be able to edit their own comments - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10755  +comment (10wikipedia.danny.b)
[21:00:29] <Klemmi>	hi
[21:03:38] <Klemmi>	I'm trying to put an extension into my Wiki.
[21:03:39] <Klemmi>	The output of the variable prints just a link to a php-site with a variable.
[21:03:39] <Klemmi>	this php makes a png which should be shown on the Wiki
[21:03:51] <Klemmi>	but I can just see the link
[21:04:23] <Klemmi>	can anyone say me, what I can try to? (please excuse my bad English!)
[21:05:41] <Klemmi>	can I do a change, that I dont see the link to the png, but the result of the png?
[21:05:52] <Klemmi>	maybe change something in the header?
[21:09:45] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24476 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * Prettifying file history table a bit. Especially for histories with long comments/descriptions it look clearer now.
[21:12:47] <rortega007>	heloo
[21:12:57] <rortega007>	tell me there are some people here
[21:13:32] <rortega007>	its been years since i've been on irc
[21:13:45] <Klemmi>	hi
[21:13:52] <rortega007>	hello
[21:15:08] <Klemmi>	you've got a question?
[21:15:22] <Klemmi>	can I help you (maybe?)?
[21:15:30] <rortega007>	oh yeah, sorry, i'm also in "wikimedia", i had some questions with some issues
[21:15:38] <rortega007>	particularly template issues
[21:16:04] <rortega007>	i'm sort of lost with advanced templates/transclusion
[21:16:48] <Klemmi>	sry, im not as fast - my English istn't as good as yours
[21:17:01] <Klemmi>	but I think, I can follow
[21:17:16] <rortega007>	ok, great
[21:17:25] <rortega007>	what i'm trying to do is similar to like a book
[21:17:36] <rortega007>	i want to get public domain poems/books
[21:17:59] <Duesentrieb_>	rortega007: like... Wikisource?
[21:18:31] <rortega007>	yeah
[21:18:33] <Klemmi>	sounds nice
[21:19:03] <rortega007>	except a little different
[21:19:25] <rortega007>	like say we had a book of poems for one particular author
[21:19:44] <rortega007>	and it breaks down like the first page is "book of x"
[21:19:55] <rortega007>	followed by "all poems/chapters"
[21:20:07] <rortega007>	i've got that all squared away
[21:20:22] <rortega007>	but then for poems I wanted people to be able to edit per line
[21:20:51] <rortega007>	not edit i'm sorry comment
[21:21:09] <rortega007>	so say you've got line 1: "xxx yyy zzz"
[21:21:15] <Klemmi>	but edit would be a great Idea too!
[21:21:15] <rortega007>	then line 2: " etc"
[21:21:20] <rortega007>	yeah i know
[21:21:31] <Klemmi>	everyone is allowed to edit/create one line
[21:21:31] <rortega007>	and see this is where i run into some issues
[21:21:48] <rortega007>	sounds good
[21:22:13] <rortega007>	but say you got line 1, line 2
[21:22:13] <ThomasV_>	wikisourcce is not for commenting text
[21:22:28] <rortega007>	i know, thats why i'm creating a different place for it
[21:22:29] <Klemmi>	that would get a great poem I think. everyone makes 1 line a weak
[21:22:46] <Klemmi>	a long and great poem made by a lot of different thinking people
[21:22:46] <rortega007>	oh sounds good, maybe thats a different direction we can collab on 
[21:23:06] <rortega007>	**love wiki people**
[21:23:24] <rortega007>	but say after hiting "line 1:"
[21:23:53] <rortega007>	the user is directed to a page where "line 1:" is displayed before him and a place to add comments/commentary
[21:24:12] <rortega007>	so i've been running templates through my head for the past two days to figure it out
[21:24:27] <Klemmi>	hm, sounds difficult!
[21:24:34] <rortega007>	u see what i'm saying
[21:24:39] <Klemmi>	yes
[21:24:43] <Klemmi>	I understand you
[21:24:44] <rortega007>	i'll break it down the way i'm seeing it
[21:24:46] <Duesentrieb_>	rortega007: you'd need to create onepage for every line, then
[21:25:13] <Klemmi>	or put every line on an new variable
[21:25:20] <rortega007>	thats what i'm thinking
[21:25:21] <Klemmi>	(create a new tag)
[21:25:25] <rortega007>	cuz i wanna parse the variables though
[21:25:39] <rortega007>	so instead of duplicating text over and over
[21:25:44] <rortega007>	which i could do, i guess
[21:26:01] <rortega007>	the list of lines for say book one would go as follows
[21:26:08] <Klemmi>	I think one possibility would be, to place a tag
[21:26:18] <Klemmi>	<line1></line1>
[21:26:22] <Klemmi>	<line2>
[21:26:23] <Klemmi>	...
[21:26:29] <Klemmi>	that would be easy
[21:26:41] <Klemmi>	put the context on a new variable
[21:26:43] <rortega007>	{{linelist|var1|var2}}
[21:27:15] <Klemmi>	that would be the result
[21:27:55] <rortega007>	give me one sec, i wrote some ideas down, let me pull them up
[21:28:02] <Klemmi>	can I ask you sth. maybe you can help me!
[21:28:08] <rortega007>	shoot
[21:28:28] <Klemmi>	I put an new math-editor in my wiki
[21:28:41] <Klemmi>	I just have to give the result out
[21:29:01] <Klemmi>	I've got a variable with the alt-text and an link
[21:29:06] <rortega007>	link?
[21:29:21] <Klemmi>	referring to an *.php and giving an variable
[21:29:25] <Klemmi>	to this php
[21:29:34] <rortega007>	ah
[21:29:41] <Klemmi>	this php-file makes an png-image with the output in it
[21:29:53] <rortega007>	which would be the answer
[21:30:01] <Klemmi>	but on the wiki I can just see the link
[21:30:06] <Klemmi>	yes
[21:30:12] <Klemmi>	I just see the link
[21:30:14] <rortega007>	and ur having trouble parsing it trhrough
[21:30:16] <Klemmi>	not the result
[21:30:20] <Klemmi>	yes
[21:30:29] <rortega007>	do u have a website link
[21:30:51] <Klemmi>	its running on my localhost
[21:30:57] <rortega007>	gotcha
[21:31:06] <Klemmi>	but I can give you the link to get an imagine
[21:31:13] <rortega007>	ok
[21:31:22] <Klemmi>	http://localhost/xampp/Wiki/index.php/mpr.php?stringid=5
[21:31:30] <Klemmi>	the link looks like that
[21:31:56] <Klemmi>	he has to run the mpr.php and give out the png
[21:32:05] <Klemmi>	but he just shows the link
[21:32:13] <Klemmi>	you understand my problem?
[21:33:31] <rortega007>	yeah
[21:34:22] <Klemmi>	I could give you a password and you could try to look at it, but I dont want to scream it out in an irc-channel
[21:34:40] <Klemmi>	icq?
[21:34:45] <rortega007>	mm
[21:34:54] <rortega007>	u know i havent had icq since like i was 16
[21:35:01] <rortega007>	does gaim support icq
[21:35:01] <Klemmi>	lol
[21:35:05] <Klemmi>	yes
[21:35:09] <Klemmi>	I use gaim too
[21:35:15] <rortega007>	i'll nab gaim real quick
[21:35:18] <Klemmi>	but you have to log in
[21:35:35] <rortega007>	i'm sorry "pidgin"
[21:35:54] <Klemmi>	lol
[21:36:01] <Klemmi>	yes, you're right
[21:36:34] <rortega007>	i got gaim on my linux boot side, not on this windows side
[21:36:48] <Klemmi>	lol
[21:36:50] <Klemmi>	ok
[21:37:04] <Klemmi>	I love windows! (ironic)
[21:37:04] <rortega007>	one sec installing
[21:37:12] <rortega007>	i love windows for doing my business stuff
[21:37:22] <rortega007>	but for backend u cant go wrong with linux
[21:37:26] <Klemmi>	thanks!
[21:37:27] <rortega007>	its so unbelievably stable
[21:37:41] <Klemmi>	I love my linux realy!
[21:38:07] <rortega007>	this pidgin better not have ads
[21:38:32] <Klemmi>	sry? not have ads?
[21:38:43] <Klemmi>	you mean plugins?
[21:39:17] <rortega007>	gaim switched to pidgin, so i just didnt know if they sold out or anything
[21:40:09] <Klemmi>	I had to install pidgin, because my Debian saw pidgin as something new, not as an update of Gaim
[21:40:40] <rortega007>	u got gchat
[21:40:47] <rortega007>	hehe
[21:41:11] <rortega007>	gtalk sorry, all these names for communicating
[21:41:17] <Klemmi>	hehe, no
[21:41:25] <Klemmi>	I never used it...
[21:41:38] <Klemmi>	is your pidgin running?
[21:44:35] <rortega007>	ok
[21:44:47] <rortega007>	icq: 469597865
[21:44:52] <Klemmi>	ok
[21:47:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialPage hooks are broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10719  (10robchur)
[21:48:56] <aton`>	hm is there a possibility to run mediawiki if the php version 5 scripts have to end on .php5 ?
[21:49:06] <aton`>	renaming all the files will break it all i guess
[21:49:12] <rortega007>	hey
[21:49:26] <rortega007>	u having trouble installing?
[21:49:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable importing from all wikis to Meta - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10754   +shell; +comment (10robchur)
[21:50:01] <robchurch>	aton`: As of MediaWiki 1.11.0, .php5 will "just work".
[21:50:09] <robchurch>	In the mean time, it's possible; you just have to rename the entry points.
[21:50:22] <aton`>	1.11.0 release date?
[21:50:28] <robchurch>	See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Robchurch/Getting_PHP_5_on_a_cheap_host.
[21:50:36] <rortega007>	godaddy
[21:50:39] <robchurch>	1.11.0 release has been pushed back until after Wikimania.
[21:50:49] <Cbrown1023>	rob: hmmm, how does that work?
[21:50:55] <robchurch>	How does what work?
[21:50:59] <Thorky>	hello
[21:51:09] <Cbrown1023>		<wikibugs>	(mod) Enable importing from all wikis to Meta - http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10754 +shell; +comment (robchur)
[21:51:19] <robchurch>	It's a bot...
[21:51:19] <Cbrown1023>	you refuted my comment, and you're right, but how does it work?
[21:51:23] <robchurch>	Oh, right.
[21:51:31] <Cbrown1023>	:-P
[21:51:34] <robchurch>	$wgImportSources. You just set it programatically, which is quite trivial for us to do.
[21:51:45] *robchurch 	can't spell
[21:51:49] <Cbrown1023>	heh
[21:51:51] *Cbrown1023 	sees
[21:52:11] <rortega007>	robchurch use a delux godaddy accounts its like 7 bux a month
[21:52:27] <robchurch>	Why are you telling me this?
[21:52:42] <rortega007>	oh i thought u asked about cheap hosts that support php5
[21:52:49] <aton`>	robchurch, i will try to override the handler, but i cannot even get a ht password to work on this host
[21:53:00] <rortega007>	wait
[21:53:12] <robchurch>	aton`: Scroll down, there's a bit about what files to rename. ;)
[21:53:23] <Thorky>	hey folks, i've been looking for the solution for 6 hours now and I can find a solution, i'm running a 1.10.1 wiki and i'm trying to change the main page title, i've seen something in the faq about it but i cant even find what the faq is talking about in the css
[21:53:26] <Thorky>	can someone help me?
[21:53:28] <aton`>	yes but its easier
[21:53:33] <aton`>	to override the handler
[21:53:42] <Thorky>	err i mean cant find a solution >_<
[21:53:46] <rortega007>	thorky
[21:53:53] <Thorky>	yup?
[21:53:55] <rortega007>	"mediawiki:mainpage"
[21:54:07] <rortega007>	that edits the mainpage title
[21:54:18] <rortega007>	the only way to hide it is modifying monobook.css
[21:54:59] <Thorky>	mmh well if i edit it the homepage disapears, so i have to copy past the old main page first?
[21:55:50] <robchurch>	Well, yes, it is easier to override the handler, but you were asking about renaming the files, so I assumed you wanted to do that specifically.
[21:55:54] *robchurch 	bashes his head on the desk
[21:56:19] <Thorky>	ok well doesnt matter copy paste isn't a problem
[21:56:29] <Thorky>	thanks anyway i'll try that out
[21:56:46] <Thorky>	and sorry for bothering
[21:59:14] <robchurch>	Thorky: It's a single line in the MediaWiki:Common.css page, usually.
[21:59:23] <robchurch>	Assuming your main page title is "Main Page", then add
[21:59:34] <robchurch>	body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display: none; }
[21:59:44] <robchurch>	Then go to the main page and clear your browser cache.
[22:00:00] <Thorky>	well my wiki's langage is french, so i'll have to look for mainpage and accueil i guess
[22:00:30] <robchurch>	Then it would probably be body.page-Accueil h1.firstHeading { display: none; }
[22:00:39] <Thorky>	ok lets see
[22:01:13] <robchurch>	The usual bit that trips people up is forgetting about client-side caching of CSS.
[22:02:37] <Thorky>	yipee it works :)
[22:02:39] <Thorky>	thanks a lot
[22:03:12] <Duesentrieb_>	robchurch: the pick-js-gadgets-on-pref-page thingy is coming along nicely. The only real trouble I still have is how to get the appropriate tags into the <head> tag nicely. The only relatively clean solution i have found yet was to use OutputPage::addScript in a BeforePageDisplay hook. BUt that a) only works with SkinTemplate skins, and b) is put into the head *below* the user js/css, overwriting it. Any idea how to fix this? I don't even 
[22:03:12] <Duesentrieb_>	have a good idea where to add another hook point for this...
[22:03:56] <Duesentrieb_>	robchurch: hm... btw, what's the point of putting the stuff from addScript below the user stuff anyway? shouldn't it all be above user stuff, always?
[22:04:02] <Duesentrieb_>	or would changing this break stuff?...
[22:04:10] <robchurch>	Changing it would break stuff, now.
[22:04:28] <robchurch>	Let me see..
[22:04:52] <datura>	hi
[22:05:29] <robchurch>	You could hook Skin::doGetUserStyles() or Skin::reallyDoGetUserStyles() or Skin::reallyReallyPrettyPleaseWithACherryOnTopGetUserStyles() ?
[22:05:59] <Duesentrieb_>	robchurch: well, userjs is expected to be a url.
[22:06:01] <robchurch>	That seems to be where other "preferences"-oriented scripts and junk is added, presumably you could whack in some JavaScript.
[22:06:15] <Duesentrieb_>	while usercss is actual css oce (considting of a single @include).
[22:07:12] <robchurch>	Alternatively, you could cry a lot.
[22:07:22] <wknight8111>	that's what i do
[22:08:46] <Duesentrieb_>	robchurch: hm... "This returns MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:[Skinname].js concate-
[22:08:46] <Duesentrieb_>		 * nated together.  For some bizarre reason, it does *not* return any
[22:08:46] <Duesentrieb_>		 * custom user JS from subpages.  Huh?"
[22:08:49] <Duesentrieb_>	gotta luve it
[22:09:56] <robchurch>	I try not to look at the Skin API very often, I find that reading horrendously-written code makes me sick.
[22:09:56] <Duesentrieb_>	"The returned script is sitewide and publicly cacheable and
[22:09:56] <Duesentrieb_>		 * therefore must not include anything that varies according to user,
[22:09:56] <Duesentrieb_>		 * interface language, etc."
[22:09:57] <Duesentrieb_>	so, that'S not the right place
[22:11:21] <Duesentrieb_>	getHeadScripts sounds good, but is not even used by MonoBook et.al.
[22:11:21] <robchurch>	We're talking about JavaScript snippets, so what's the harm in using OutputPage::addHeadItem() to do it?
[22:11:45] <Duesentrieb_>	addHeadItem? as opposed to addScript?
[22:11:48] <Duesentrieb_>	what's the difference?
[22:11:52] <robchurch>	Probably none.
[22:12:05] <robchurch>	Possibly they don't get injected in the same place.
[22:12:48] <Duesentrieb_>	no, it's exactly the same. from getScript: return $this->mScripts . $this->getHeadItems(); 
[22:12:55] <robchurch>	But the ordering isn't so important for JavaScript; as long as it's after all the per-view globals, it doesn't really matter, surely.
[22:13:12] <Duesentrieb_>	sdo, that's what i have now. works fine, except that it overrides user stuff 
[22:13:26] <robchurch>	"Overrides" in what way?
[22:13:31] <Duesentrieb_>	yea, one can live with the js stuff. but for css, it's bad
[22:13:46] <robchurch>	Well, for CSS you're going to have to come up with something clever.
[22:14:16] <Duesentrieb_>	well, for js, it's not that overriding is an issue. it's that users can used functions from gadgets in their user js - or at least not unless they defer execution into an onload handler
[22:14:26] <Duesentrieb_>	*can't
[22:15:16] <robchurch>	It would be nice if we had one bloody OutputPage member which is an array of CSS links or raw CSS, indexed by integer, such that it was included in that order. So you could attach CSS in front of, or after, or arbitrarily in between, existing items.
[22:16:17] <robchurch>	Skins would then inject their style tags or whatever, and ask the OutputPage to give them a chunk of HTML which contained all the other style stuff.
[22:16:33] <Duesentrieb_>	robchurch: i'd preferr named, with "insert before/after". you may run out of ints.
[22:17:38] <datura>	Duesentrieb_: with an "i'm afraid i can't let you do that, dave"-message for impossible combinations ;)
[22:18:26] <Duesentrieb_>	datura: naw, you'd specify before *or* after what.
[22:21:05] <datura>	Duesentrieb_: yes? just specify "a" before "b" and then "b" before "a"..
[22:21:54] <Duesentrieb_>	datura: then you have b twice, i guess
[22:33:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Problem with wikilinks in template Parameter - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10757 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (idahosky)
[22:40:22] <Gandalfar>	hej
[22:41:10] <Gandalfar>	I was wondering if there is any estimation on number mediawiki installations or number of downloads in any time frames?
[22:47:38] <Duesentrieb_>	Gandalfar: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=MediaWiki+inurl%3AAllpages&btnG=Suche&meta=
[22:47:48] <Duesentrieb_>	gives ~ 25k hits. could be about right.
[22:49:52] <Gandalfar>	great, thanks
[22:52:51] <CIA-13>	03daniel * r24477 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/SpecialPreferences.php): adding generic hook points to SpecialPreferences
[22:53:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problem with wikilinks in template Parameter - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10757  (10wikipedia.danny.b)
[23:14:28] <rortega007>	hello
[23:14:37] <rortega007>	which mediawiki extensions are the best
[23:14:59] <^demon>	rortega007: Depends on what you're doing.
[23:18:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problem with wikilinks in template Parameter - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10757  +comment (10thomas.dalton)
[23:27:44] <mozart>	hi, all
[23:47:43] <hokatichenci>	I just got mediawiki 1.8.4 running on my LAMP server, however, when I edit a page on my Linux workstation and hit enter once, the resulting wiki page does not have the carriage return.
[23:47:53] <hokatichenci>	Using two enters does correctly start a new paragraph.
[23:48:49] <Schroeder>	hokatichenci: yes; it's supposed to work that way
[23:49:50] <hokatichenci>	err, really? For trying to put information it makes it a bit hard since theres no <br> where I'd expect it to be
[23:50:33] <Schroeder>	if you want that you have to put it in yourself
[23:50:49] <Schroeder>	if you want a single forced line break
[23:50:51] <Schroeder>	but why would you?
[23:51:00] <Schroeder>	formatting should be logical, not physical
[23:51:11] <Schroeder>	let the individual user's browser and style preferences determine the physical layout
[23:51:20] <Schroeder>	you should concern yourself only with the logical organization
[23:51:42] <hokatichenci>	If I edit the page and go like, Line1<cr>Line2<cr>Line3, It'll show up as Line1 Line2 Line3, as opposed to say, Line1<br>Line2<br>Line3
[23:51:51] <hokatichenci>	wikipedia seems to use the latter
[23:55:37] <rortega007>	hello
[23:55:48] <rortega007>	i am still new to mediawiki an need some help
[23:56:05] <rortega007>	i'm trying to use extensions, specifically the breadcrumbs extension