[00:08:59] ne1 [00:09:27] they're in Taipei [00:10:34] ? [00:10:38] i'm just lost [00:10:52] i'm having difficulty with an extension [00:11:08] i've installed it correctly (least i hope) and now it doesnt pop up [00:12:23] everyone who might be able to help you is attending a conference in Taipei, so, uh, unless someone clever like robchurch helps, tough luck <.< [00:18:31] rortega007: please be more specific. [00:26:45] gah...I can't be OA Lodge President! [00:26:47] I'm over 21! [00:26:50] don't they realize that? [00:33:45] 03(NEW) User.php: Enhancement to the 'rights management' sub-system - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10758 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (bugzilla) [01:01:50] n8 [01:59:04] 03(mod) Blacklist certain filename patterns - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10735 (10dstoykov) [02:13:50] Is it safe to remove rows from the revisions table as long as they're not current revisions? Or does that leave something in an inconsistent state? [02:59:54] How can I make a clickable image which links to another page or url? [03:01:26] 03(mod) Blacklist certain filename patterns - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10735 (10dstoykov) [03:02:50] *Schroeder2 puts on some Mahler [03:10:50] If I wanted to link to a particular log entry, would there be a way to do that? [03:12:34] <^demon> davidmccabe: Can't be done...you can narrow it by type, user, page...but if the person has say 2 deletions of the same page, you'd get both results. [03:30:40] I'm having trouble with my installation1044 Access denied for user 'themedattraction'@'localhost' to database 'wikidb' [03:30:49] trying to install [03:31:01] mediawiki 1.10.1 [03:31:10] any help would be appreciated [03:33:21] I try to install the wiki from the config page and that's the error I get. anyone? [03:33:41] <^demon> It means your user/password is wrong. [03:33:47] <^demon> Or the database name is wrong. [03:34:04] <^demon> Did you create the database and give it a user and pw? [03:34:57] I went into my control panel and created a database [03:35:21] gave it the username and password. I use the same one over and over again just in case. no luck [03:35:30] Whats the database name you created? [03:35:32] <^demon> Using cPanel I assume? [03:35:37] ensim actually [03:35:41] they often have a prefix before, like yourusername_wikidb [03:36:24] <^demon> Did you make sure to assign the user to the database? [03:36:34] how do you do that? [03:37:03] my apologies for being naiive [03:37:58] <^demon> I'm not sure how to exactly in ensim. [03:39:04] is that what I need to do for it to work? [03:40:27] <^demon> Well, it's potentially a cause. [03:40:31] i can change the database administrator and password [03:40:55] that's no problem. I thought I would just plug that into the configuration page in my browser [03:42:14] when i login to phpmyadmin, the user is 'themedattraction' which is what I'm using on the configuration page for wikimedia [03:43:22] as for the database, it's called themedattraction_com_-_wikidb [03:43:32] but generally you just use themedattraction [03:46:18] thoughts? [03:46:35] Whats set as the db in the config file? [03:46:35] put themedattraction_com as the prefix but no luck [03:46:40] Sorry, in the installer? [03:46:54] Leave prefix blank, and use themedattraction_com_-_wikidb as the db name, not wikidb [03:47:05] db username is themedattraction [03:47:34] database name is wikidb [03:49:21] still getting access denied, 1044 error [03:49:41] change db [03:50:11] what should i change it to? [03:51:25] themedattraction_com_-_wikidb [03:52:58] still not working. here's what I have [03:53:33] database host: localhost [03:53:37] database name: wikidb [03:53:52] db username: themedattraction_-_wikidb [03:54:08] database table prefix . blank [03:55:17] 03(mod) Don't remove whitespace before [[Category:...]] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8381 +comment (10webmaster) [03:55:39] now it's saying that the username is too long [03:55:48] for themedattraction_-_wikidb [03:56:20] Keep the same username, change the dbname to that [03:57:15] still says username too long [04:00:26] hmmm, whats username set to [04:01:27] username: themedattraction [04:01:28] dbhost: localhost [04:01:28] dbname: themedattraction_-_wikidb [04:01:28] dbusername: themedattraction [04:01:28] prefix: blank [04:03:55] db username is themedattraction [04:04:22] i just set all the settings to what you put there, and same result: 1044 error [04:04:41] Weird [04:05:26] what could I be doing wrong? [04:05:52] i have another database using that username, but that shoudn't make a difference, correct? [04:06:23] should i have created a database within ensim before trying to install? [04:07:35] Is it possible to somehow include a category listing within another page? [04:08:19] Using {{Category:name}} just includes the category intro text [04:09:20] do you guys think that perhaps there's a permission wrong somewhere or would the problem only lie with those variables we've been discussing [05:22:25] hi all, trying to install 1.6.10 and getting the following error: [05:22:30] http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71624-43kg [05:58:00] do any "recent" versions of mediawiki support PHP 4.3.8? [05:58:57] Tman: see topic. the latest version is 1.6.10 [05:58:58] read topic [05:59:20] whoops, sorry, I usually check [05:59:36] 03raymond * r24478 10/trunk/extensions/UsernameBlacklist/UsernameBlacklist.i18n.php: * Add an explanation to 'usernamerblacklist' and make it available to the i18n file and thereby to Special:Allmessages like all other config messages. [06:00:02] does that imply that 1.6.x is still maintained then? [06:00:08] how should usernames be handled with case-insensitive page titles? should usernames be case insensitive too, or pages in User should be case sensitive? [06:00:19] Tman: kind of. it'll probably get no more than important security fixes [06:01:13] that's good enough I guess [06:14:01] Is it possible to somehow include a category listing within another page? [06:14:05] Using {{Category:name}} just includes the category intro text [06:17:48] Not that i am aware of - file a bugzilla feature request [06:17:52] bugzilla.wikimedia.org [06:37:27] Thanks TheFearow [06:52:35] could someone take a look at my install error please :) http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71624-43kg [07:00:55] when i awnt du edit my sidebar i make a link on a page like this"[[Mediawiki:sidepage]]" when i klick on this link i see the code for the sidebar put the code is lockked and i am not able to edit it. What is my mistake?? [07:02:04] Plueschi: Make sure you are logged into a sysop acccount, only sysops can edit things from the MediaWiki: namespace [07:03:02] i will check [07:03:05] thanks [07:21:19] good morning [07:22:45] I have a Question, can I create with a Variable a Random article, so that I have a Random article with a little description on my Main page? [07:35:39] is there a sysop account when i have not created one? [07:36:36] <_wooz> lo [07:39:50] how can i create a sysop account?? [07:48:33] Plueschi: login as "WikiSysop" and use Special:Userrights to make other users to sysops [07:49:37] guten morgen Raymond [07:49:46] hi [07:49:53] hab ma wieder ne Frage ;) [07:50:25] (hab ich vorher schon gestellt, da konnte sie mir keiner beantworten, oder hatte keiner lust)^^ [07:51:25] Ich möchte auf meiner Main page einen zufälligen Artikel erstellen, mit ner kleinen Beschreibung.. hab schon versucht die Spezial:Randompage einzubinden (wie ein template) hat leider nicht funktioniert, ist nur ein Link [07:51:32] weißt du vll wie des funktioniert? [07:52:46] M4rX: ich wüßte auf anhieb nicht wie [07:53:06] schade.. [08:10:11] Raymond: I have looked up my database and there are 2 users deniba und florian. I have only created florian und with this account i edit the pages. so how can i create a sysop account [08:12:06] lo all [08:12:10] Plueschi: see [[Special:listusers]]. has at least one user sysop rights? [08:13:28] Okay, seeing the topic message :) : Is it possible to check what people enter in the change/edit summary and if it matches one of a given entry block the user and don't save the edit? [08:14:28] YNSx2: AFAIK no [08:14:45] Hmm, is it possible to make such a plugin? [08:15:57] 03david * r24479 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtModel.php: leaveTrace works, has bugs. [08:16:33] YNSx2: probably :) [08:17:05] lol :) [08:18:09] well, it could be done really ugly....by adding the check itself in the save process (where it acces the summary right?). if sumarry = blabla ... [08:18:30] raymond: whre can i look if the deniba user has sysop rights?? [08:18:56] Plueschi: that should be behind their nae [08:18:58] *name [08:19:00] Plueschi: [[special:listusers]]. i [08:19:20] indeed in the listusers page [08:21:19] thanks i am admin now thank you very much [08:25:12] Raymond_: Would I have to add the "check summary" code under "includes/EditPage.php" after the comment: "Send the edit form and related headers to $wgOut"? [08:26:08] YNSx2: maybe, test it :) [08:26:45] lol, if only I knew at least a little php other then :D [08:27:01] and knew more about the workings of wikipedia [08:27:09] *mediawiki [08:28:25] *YNSx2 opens w3schools :P [08:34:48] hi :) [08:35:08] I have some problems installing Wikipedia in Spanish [08:35:42] I'm importing the xml dump with the php script, and everything seems to go on well [08:35:49] owke, just a small question which is unrelated to my other one :P : Can anonymous users delete pages (if no protection as in: only edit sysops is set)? [08:36:04] however the categorylinks table is incomplete... [08:36:15] YNSx2: only sysops can ever delete pages [08:36:21] and you have to log in to be a sysop, ofc [08:36:23] has anyone ever encountered that problem ? [08:37:28] flyingparchment: phew, thanks :P [08:37:56] even if you do delete a page you want' you can just undelete it [08:38:54] I know, I wasn't worried about me doing anything bad [08:38:58] damn spammers on my page :) [08:39:32] I found this in the EditPage.php btw: "# Check for spam". Seems easiest to add the check there (see question above) [08:40:00] seems good as it is the attemptSave function [08:43:45] hello [08:46:33] especially since I don't want spammers to know I block them before they did a lot of work :P [08:49:56] adelinao: try to run the rebuildAll.php script after the import [08:50:19] ok, I'll do it right now :) [08:51:27] what does this mean: @return bool false if output is done, true if the rest of the form should be displayed [08:52:35] nvm [08:52:47] get it now (didn't see the rest of the attemptSave function) [08:55:31] i've got a couple of mediawiki questions [08:55:35] can anyone help [08:56:26] ask away, don't think I can be of much help though :) [08:56:33] im trying to enable a "breadcrumbs" type of navigation [08:56:59] so that the user will have some sort of navigation [08:57:21] parent/child/child/etc [08:57:36] instead of making a template that has transclusions everywhere [08:59:30] you want a plugin that does it [08:59:42] *extention [09:00:16] ? [09:01:26] yeah i guess like a php extension would work [09:01:42] i tried both at mediawiki:extensions [09:01:47] and they didnt work out [09:03:30] hmm [09:04:05] I'm afraid I never used them so I can't really help there (I remembered reading about an extention that did work, but I guess that was breadcrumbs) [09:05:28] yeah i just wanna give my users some sort of relevant navigation [09:05:42] i guess everyone just use templates and calls it in right [09:06:23] dunno, I just have a low amount of pages :) [09:06:31] hehe [09:06:45] And pretty much anything comes from my main page [09:07:13] where does the $wSpamRegex [09:07:38] sorry, hit enter accidentally :) : Where is the $wgSpamRegex/$SpamRegex defined? [09:16:53] Aalrighty, I've added this: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71639 in the includes/EditPage.php under "#check for spam". Could anyone look at it if it COULD work? [09:17:19] the idea is return false if you find msn.com in the summary and run the blockedUser page [09:19:00] at this point I'm not blocking the user, just showing him the blockedUser page :) [09:27:01] second question (if i want to block them too): How do I access Block.php (to be more precise the block() function) in my EditPage? [09:31:47] seems rather crude [09:38:23] bjr [09:39:00] updated with block, anyone care to check? http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71640 [09:40:24] Raymond_: THANK YOU [09:40:31] seriously [09:40:41] VoiceOfAll: ? [09:40:49] the image history cleanup [09:40:52] ah :) [09:40:56] you are welcome :) [09:41:03] 03raymond * r24480 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUndelete.php: [09:41:07] * Adding IDs to submit and reset buttons (this was my initial intent) [09:41:07] that used to hurt my eyes [09:41:09] * Use proper Xml::functions [09:41:11] * Make the form for RTL wikis a bit nicer [09:41:13] * Whitespaces [09:41:21] I hope Brion likes it too [09:41:57] I still don't like how the user links, like "Voice of All (Talk | contribs)" bleed over, but otherwise nice [09:45:04] sigh, my check doesn't work... (the first one, not the one with block) [09:51:45] hi [09:55:39] nobody can help :)? [09:56:26] what is the issue? [09:56:49] I'm trying to add a spam check in the summary part of a submission [09:57:22] all spammers on my page use blablablamsn.com in the summary so I want to check if that is the case and if so not proceed with the submission [09:58:01] so I'm editing the /includes/EditPage.php after the line "#check for spam" http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71641 [09:58:50] YNSx2: isn't there an "edit filter" hook designed for stuff like this? in any case, there should be no need to edit core code... [10:00:11] Ryamond couldn't remember one [10:00:56] as for not having to edit the core code, if I knew anything else then I wouldn't :). But my PHP is VERY limited as is my knowlidge of mediawiki [10:03:48] hm, seems like the edit filter doesn't get the edit summary to work with... too bad. [10:08:47] Duesentrieb_: user blacklist extation in this case? [10:12:06] Sundance_Raphael: whot? [10:12:18] he wants to blacklist summaries, not users, i think. [10:12:33] Sundance_Raphael: anyway - do you happen to know how the message cache works? [10:13:32] well [10:13:40] I really just want to check if msn.com is in the summary [10:13:44] and if so cancel the edit [10:13:57] (keep the original version) [10:14:36] yea, sure. this feature exists for things matching the actual article text, and user names. but apparently not for summaries - which is kind of odd. [10:16:08] :P [10:18:19] although implementing the feature in a nice way (with the existing spam/vandalism filters) I don't really mind having it in the EditPage (eventhough it is relativly ugly) [10:19:07] but I don't seem to grasp php as whatever way I write it (with the example of the body spam check above) it doesn't work ;) [10:21:48] 03daniel * r24481 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/ (7 files): Gadgets extension: enable JS based gadgets via user preferences [11:01:47] argh, still don't get it :P [11:08:47] 03(VERIFIED) Use of {{DISPLAYTITLE|xyz}} renders blank title ( ) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6253 (10webboy) [11:11:31] 03robchurch * r24482 10/trunk/extensions/UsernameBlacklist/ (README UsernameBlacklist.i18n.php): Update documentation and use a less verbose explanation in the default message [11:13:12] g'day ialexandre [11:13:33] hello lmk [11:46:53] 03robchurch * r24483 10/trunk/extensions/Vote/ (Vote.css Vote.page.php Vote.php vote.sql): File cosmetics; kill some whitespace, update some doc blocks, comment some SQL; move along, nothing to see here... [11:47:52] *VoiceOfAll looks [11:48:23] For once, I'm being honest - it is just a few blank lines, a few blank lines less and a bit of poking. Nothing exciting at all. [11:49:18] I'm torn between knowing that polls are evil, and writing a much more useful version of it. :( [11:49:29] s/evil/trendy/ [11:49:35] come into the web 2.0 era, man [11:49:57] What, polls are the new black? [12:07:35] hi all [12:08:18] how important is it to upgragde from 1.6.10 to 1.10.1? [12:08:29] *upgrade [12:08:41] my webhost does not provide php4 [12:08:48] i mean php5 [12:09:19] so I need to take a decission wheter I should upgrade or not [12:19:17] how to show a tag cloud in my mediawiki? i found only CATEGORY cloud in the matrix [12:19:38] PHPadam2: try installing this extension: http://static.wiki-tools.com/wiki/Extension:Wiki_Category_Tag_Cloud [12:19:59] EK_123: Depends. 1.6 is over a year old; pushing it to two years now, so if you want to run an old snapshot, that's your lookout. [12:20:29] I understand, but I have to tell this to my boss...lol [12:20:50] nah, I cant seem to get FCKeditor work on 1.6.10 [12:21:01] are you known with that, robchurch? [12:21:23] Jack_Phoenix , this is category tag cloud, i want just tags, not categories [12:22:27] i have a template in which a user specifies his two colours (like his uniform), currently they have to do it all manually with and css [12:22:50] is there a way to 'automate' this process so the user just enters a number between X-Y that corresponds to a specified (by me) colour? [12:35:33] hey, I've got a question. Can I include with a Variable or something like that a Random Article or the recently changed Articles? I want them on a Page, in a little chart .. is this possible? [12:38:29] nobody can help me :( [12:44:29] hi brion [12:44:40] 03(NEW) Kanuri Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10759 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (triyork) [12:45:01] hoi [12:48:04] yo [12:48:24] M4rX [12:48:31] that is possible [12:48:40] EK_123 .. cool how? [12:49:17] do you mean something like: [12:49:18] http://fontysmediatheek.nl/wiki/home/Hoofdpagina [12:49:20] see below [12:49:43] "new wiki pages" - "recently edited/changed" [12:50:03] cool it is possible ;) [12:50:44] but do you know how this works? [12:50:48] Hi, I installed the UserMerge extension but link is not displayed in "Restricted special pages". any idea ? [12:51:34] M4rX: i wrote the News extension for that... but there's also DynamicPageList, and NewPages, and probably some more ways [12:52:03] brion: sup [12:52:14] Oh ok there is an extension, so I look for that and install it. Thanks a lot [12:52:33] samyboy: Make sure you are including the extension property lin your LocalSettings.php. look what heppends when you try to access Special:UserMerge (or Special:Usermerge). [12:53:16] Duesentrieb_ sprichst du deutsch? .. ;) [12:53:40] LocalSettings.php has been edited and Special:UserMerge sais page doesn't exist. (thanks for helping!) [12:53:46] ich schon, ja. Aber wenn wir Englisch sprechen können mehr leute helfen... [12:54:13] hehe ok, dacht ich mir doch.. Düsentrieb ;) .. but well let's speak English [12:54:21] samyboy: then it's either not installed properly, or broken, or called something else (like Usermerge, mit small "m") [12:55:30] hum.. i'm going to copy/paste again the code from the wiki. The dev should have used svn :( vielen dank anyway :) [12:56:23] i think it's a version problem. my wiki is too old :P [13:03:22] 03yaron * r24484 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Addeds support for new 'restricted' property [13:04:25] 03yaron * r24485 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormClasses.inc: Added support for new 'restricted' tag, including in form-creation form [13:05:23] 03yaron * r24486 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateForm.php: Added 'restricted' option, removed 'page title' block, compacted layout [13:07:00] 03yaron * r24487 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_LanguageEn.php: Removed 'sf_createform_titlefield' and 'sf_createform_titledesc', added 'sf_createform_restricted' [13:07:45] 03yaron * r24488 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/ (SF_LanguageFr.php SF_LanguageHe.php SF_LanguagePt_br.php): Removed 'sf_createform_titlefield' and 'sf_createform_titledesc'; still need 'sf_createform_restricted' [13:08:28] 03yaron * r24489 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_AddData.php: Fixed 'preload' query value bug [13:09:03] 03yaron * r24490 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.4.1 [13:12:38] Duesentrieb_ Does your News extension work with media Wiki 1.6? or should I take an older revision, if I should take an other which one? [13:12:57] i'm pretty sure it will not work. [13:13:14] M4rX: upgrade if you can. 1.6 is oooold. [13:13:38] hmm .. well maybe I should ;) [13:13:54] is it difficult? [13:16:02] upgading? no. [13:16:04] very simple. [13:16:29] well, as long as you remember to set AdminSettings.php [13:17:13] hmm well because I have a mediaWiki from rPath appliance.. and so I have to look if this is working ;) [13:17:13] Jack_Phoenix: you don't even need that if you just rerun the web installer [13:17:17] M4rX: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upgrading [13:17:35] M4rX: but for anything above 1.6, you need php5 [13:18:26] is there a way to "rename" a user ? [13:18:48] hmm ok I think about it ;) thanks [13:19:42] samyboy: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser [13:19:56] wow sorry [13:34:26] hello [13:34:46] Ok an other question, can I edit the buttons of the Edit field. When I edit an article, there are buttons like "bold" "italic" "headline2" and so on... I want to add there an button for example "headline3".. is this possible? [13:34:56] Hello W00d5t0ck [13:35:29] is it possible that searching gives different results when using postgres instead of mysql? [13:36:38] I have an article on my private wiki called "ICall ASP" [13:36:48] this article of course is full of the word "ASP" [13:37:01] when I'm using mysql as a DB, and search for ASP, I get no result [13:37:21] but when I import the same articles on a postgres-based wiki, and search for "ASP", I get many [13:38:10] W00d5t0ck: see faq :D [13:38:22] W00d5t0ck: mysql's search engine by default blacklists all words shorter than 4 characters [13:38:28] that can be adjusted [13:38:31] as documented [13:39:16] thanks [13:39:22] and sorry for asking too soon :) [13:39:55] no prob :D [13:40:27] mysql is smart enough to discourage you from using ASP [13:40:36] and tries to shield you from any search results mentioning it [13:41:22] ASP isn't a stopword [13:41:43] brion: I - i just committed an extension that i'd like to see live on wikimedia projects soonish... please have a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets, any feedback would be great (especially about the Caveats) [13:42:39] noone said it was [13:42:46] offhand could be cool, Duesentrieb_ [13:42:53] \o/ [13:43:02] Duesentrieb_: What did I tell you? ;) [13:43:05] haven't looked at details but something like that would be nice :D [13:43:14] *brion puts it on his review list [13:43:22] cool, ty [13:43:29] Now, here's the bit where you casually drop a mention of the annual licence fee you expect Wikimedia to cough up. :P [13:43:56] well, it's actually not M$' ASP.net, it stands for Application Service Provider :) [13:43:59] :D [13:44:19] naw, just give me a job when i finally got my degree. [13:44:21] W00d5t0ck, mysql isn't smart enough to know the difference :( [13:44:38] *brion was about to chastise W00d5t0ck about how unprofessional it makes one look when one writes "M$", then noticed the spelling of his/her name and won't bother ;) [13:44:39] brion: While you're at it, does http://wiki.anubite.co.uk/view/Slideshow look like anything we'd want to use? [13:45:06] I mean, obviously the witty poem is A-grade Wikisource material, but... [13:45:47] robchurch: neat, but offhand i'm concerned about how it would display in print view or other 'flat'ened displays [13:46:30] At the moment, it chastises the user for not having JavaScript; the fallback needs some work. [13:46:40] hehe [13:47:42] Does somebody know wheter I can edit the buttons of the Edit field. When I edit an article, there are buttons like "bold" "italic" "headline2" and so on... I want to add there an button for example "headline3".. is this possible? [13:48:59] M4rX: you can hack your EditPage.php, or you can add in MediaWiki:Common.js to the mwCustomEditButtons (?) array [13:49:02] check for the exact var [13:49:48] robchurch: neat poem [13:50:23] *robchurch swells with pride, or perhaps just too many crappy snacks this affy [13:51:35] well I don't hav an MediaWiki:Common (or the search/jump engine doesn't find it.. I'm using the German verison?!) so I hack my EditPage.php ty [13:53:11] brion: I guess the best approach might be to show the first image, caption and heading and have a little message about it being interactive content or some buzzword. [13:53:42] mebbe [13:53:46] or fall back to a gallery? :D [13:54:05] Could do, could do. [14:00:02] 03raymond * r24491 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/OutputPage.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): [14:00:04] Adding new parameter $8 with the begin of a block to 'blockedtext' and 'autoblockedtext'. [14:00:08] I think there is no need for new message name to not break existing localizations. [14:00:10] It was a request of the German OTRS team which handles a lot of block complains. [14:10:55] 326 minutes for 9 languages imported into Wikipedia, 4 minutes for Wikiquote, 3 minutes for Wiktionary... 25G total size so far. [14:11:07] Now I get to gut the template interface and slim it down so I can rip it to handhelds. [14:11:23] sweeet [14:11:28] *robchurch plays the "evil cackle" tape [14:11:35] Or would you prefer track two, "demented laugh" ? [14:12:15] *brion puts robchurch on "randomize by track" [14:12:15] Yes, track two on loop please ;) [14:12:19] hahaha [14:12:57] *robchurch now playing: "Slave-Driver's Chant" [14:13:10] Now the question is... can I make enough profit to help you out [14:13:57] I need to figure out a good pricing/delivery matrix that gives a nice chunk of each return, to the Wikimedia Foundation [14:14:36] and the legalities of selling something you don't own? [14:14:38] <_Danny_B_> brion: how's on the other side of the world except for you got SARS? [14:14:53] well [14:14:56] it's hot and humid [14:15:00] and it often rains in afternoon [14:15:04] and i get eaten by insects [14:15:08] so it's pretty much like florida [14:15:40] <_Danny_B_> except for hurricanes and tropical storms ;-) [14:15:42] RedACE: You're quite permitted to sell content under the GFDL. [14:16:06] _Danny_B_: taiphoons, dude :) [14:16:26] robchurch, I can sell mediawiki? [14:16:37] RedACE: If you comply with the terms of the GNU GPL, yes. [14:16:54] which means what? [14:17:29] <_Danny_B_> brion: just in case you'd have a minute, reminding wikibugs, but no pressure of course [14:17:29] You agree to commit your eternal soul to the service of Richard Stallman for ten thousand years, something like that. [14:17:38] rofl [14:17:43] _Danny_B_: put it in bugzilla :) [14:17:54] What's wrong with wikibugs? [14:18:03] is there a way to tell the Search box in the menu to search only for titles and not content? [14:18:07] robchurch: he wants it in two channels at once [14:18:28] Doesn't wikibugs get a choice in the matter? [14:18:36] BOT EXPLOITATION [14:18:50] :( [14:19:11] One day, when we least expect it, wikibugs is going to go on a rampage. [14:19:26] he always seemed like a clean, quiet bot [14:19:34] RedACE, I'm working on that with Vishal [14:19:43] *_Danny_B_ pets wikibugs for good job [14:20:35] We could just give him a big mansion, few sports cars, some sleazy women, keep him happy. [14:20:47] Jimbo's probably got a few of each spare... [14:20:55] RedACE, I'm happy to leave the branding, and compensate WF for their hard work building and supporting it, or... pull all of that out, and call it my own (and still compensate WF for it). I'm not selling the content, I'm selling my time to hand-convert a good bulk of the content into Plucker format. [14:22:27] I'm back!!! [14:22:38] what's up [14:22:42] I missed you... SOOO MUCH!!! :( [14:22:44] hey Nikerabbit :) [14:24:46] 03(NEW) Set wikibugs to be able to join multiple channels - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10760 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (wikipedia.danny.b) [14:24:48] <_Danny_B_> there you go... [14:25:16] thx [14:25:21] <_Danny_B_> i thank you [14:34:41] is there a way to tell the Search box in the menu to search only for titles and not content? [14:36:16] does anyone know an eta for 1.11.0? [14:36:44] aton`: within a couple weeks after the conference [14:37:03] as mentioned on the announcements list [14:40:48] 03brion * r24492 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [14:40:48] Backing out 24448, 24455, 24456 for the moment. [14:40:48] Try not to slip in schema changes while everyone else is drinking pls :D [14:45:52] It's pretty clear brion ain't gonna be sober in time for the conference. ;) [14:47:05] _Danny_B_: Do you really want wikibugs to just be in other channels? Seems useless to anyone else, to my mind, unless what you're after is different "bug queues". [14:48:26] PHPadam2: Don't think so. [14:48:50] is there an option to set a default category for a user, meaning, if he makes a new article, it will assign it to his default category [14:49:02] an other question, I read this article: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:User_rights and found this: [14:49:03] * I would like to create a "group" that has access to certain pages, and the world has no access to these pages [14:49:05] o I see from this page that I can assign rights to the whole wiki e.g. [14:49:06] o $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['read'] = true; [14:49:08] o but how do I limit 'user' to some pages? [14:49:09] o e.g. $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['read'] = public-pages; [14:49:11] o and $wgGroupPermissions['team' ]['read'] = team-pages; [14:49:12] this is exactly what I'm searching, but there is no explanatione how to add articles to a "team-page", does somebody know how this works? [14:50:14] You would normally have to hook Title::userCan in an extension to do that, noting that MediaWiki hasn't got any decent per-page read access controls. [14:52:01] sorry, I didn't get it. It doesn't work but it if would work I have to Hook Title:userCan in an extension??... [14:52:59] and how can i hook Title:userCan in an extension ? if it would work ;) [14:53:07] <_Danny_B_> robchurch: i've set a dedicated channel for wikibugs only. the idea is easier tracking than digging through tons of logs on #mediawiki. it should work on the same principle as rc channels do. [14:53:54] Fair enough. [14:54:12] You could just subscribe to wikibugs-l. [14:55:29] robchurch .. ok now i got it. I need an extension don't I? .. so I'm searching... [14:55:47] <_Danny_B_> robchurch: yep. but if somebody wants to have some bot dealing with bugs it's easier via irc. regardless wikibugs puts some kind of digested info while mail from list shows all information [14:56:20] Well, you could just use a simple RSS feed for that... ;) [14:56:53] <_Danny_B_> robchurch: nobody's pushing you to create that enhancement.... ;-) [14:57:27] hello [14:57:32] hello [14:57:44] i cant find md5 checksums on the mediawiki download page [14:58:08] arent there any or is it me who is to stupid to find them? [14:59:03] It's possible there are none. [15:00:07] but isnt this a risk? [15:00:25] or can one install it without root access? [15:02:27] You don't necessarily require root access to install MediaWiki, it's just a web application. [15:02:55] ah ok [15:14:58] FYI: apparently OOo 2.3 will contain MediaWiki export! [15:15:11] o.o? [15:16:07] Jack_Phoenix: OpenOffice.org (not sure whether that was an emoticon or an actual question) [15:16:13] So what's the current best practice for doing mass recategorization. [15:16:15] meh [15:17:09] D: [15:18:54] I understand that categories are just text, so maybe the question is more about mass-updating of pages. [15:20:39] Andy_: there's a Python bot... [15:20:47] I'm not familiar with it myself tho [15:25:38] Hi, quick question: when a MediaWiki installation renders only as HTML and doesn't appear to be passing the formatting, what generally is the cause of that? [15:26:36] 03raymond * r24493 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_cn.php MessagesKk_kz.php MessagesKk_tr.php): [15:26:39] * (bug 10367) Update Kazakh translations [15:26:41] Patch by AlefZet [15:27:10] 03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [15:31:43] what is the proper way to edit the special: pages such as upload to reflect the way i want to present the copyrights etc in my wiki? is it done inside the wiki or do i have to edit some of the localisation files? [15:32:40] messages in the MediaWiki: namespace [15:32:47] for example, MediaWiki:Uploadtext [15:35:51] thanks :-) [15:36:18] np ;) [15:36:33] which pages contain license/copyright info? [15:36:55] that is, which pages are affected when (not?) choosing a license during the setuo [15:36:57] *setup [15:37:03] i found out it's Mediawiki:license [15:37:22] or at least at mediawiki in that page there was the list of licenses [15:37:26] and the docs guided me there [15:38:40] MW:License just contains the word "Licensing" [15:38:44] not the actual license [15:39:29] i think no actual pages are created/affected. the option basically determines what shows up in the footer of all pages. [15:40:01] now I'll go .. enough work for today ;) .. goodbye [15:40:18] Ace_NoOne: Yeah, if I wanted to go the bot route, I'd write my own in Perl with WWW::Mechanize [15:41:14] Duesentrieb_: well, the implied question is - what if I (or my predecessor) have chosen the wrong license - how can I retroactively change it (no contents yet, so no legal issues) [15:44:28] Ace_NoOne: edit the $wgRightsXXX stuff in your LocalSettings.php [15:44:36] thanks Duesentrieb_ ! [15:44:57] does mediawiki has any statistics? [15:45:10] Special:Statistics [15:45:27] there's also a per-page hit counter, shown at the bottom of every page [15:45:58] I can has cheezeburger? [15:46:30] Andy_: not in here; those are served in #retarded [15:46:42] The big question, PHPadam2, is what sort of statistics you want and why. [15:47:09] access to pages [15:47:20] hits , categories [15:47:26] all per user [15:47:29] But what are you going to do with those numbers? [15:47:43] view it in main page [15:47:52] i tried to use firestats but it hung up on the installation even though i had given its user the appropriate rights ... ;-) [15:47:57] What I mean is, why are you interested in those numbers? [15:48:01] but firestats seemed nice and it even integrated with mediawiki! [15:48:30] firestats is empty and barely shows anything [15:48:34] PHPadam2: "per user"? huh? [15:49:03] btw, is there an easy way to automate getting nuvola icons or some similar icon set to mediawiki? unless there's not there would be a hell of a job uploading and organizing them.. [15:49:06] im interested to know where people tend to go [15:49:38] I tend to go to bed almost every night. [15:49:39] you have the hit counter for that [15:49:42] or generally, any informative graphical icons sets that integrate well with mediawiki? [15:50:12] PHPadam2: What will you do with that? What is your overarching reason? Do you want to get a better sense of how to help users? Is it idle curiosity? Are you referring to management? [15:50:19] piksi: i don't think there's an automated way, but you can use maintenenace/importImages.php to import images from a directory. [15:50:23] Duesentrieb_, but its stuck on bottom of each page, i want to group it in one place [15:51:00] PHPadam2: use the database. or better, use webalizer or something similar to analyzer your apache log. that should work fine, unless you use "ugly" urls. [15:51:02] Andy_, i want a dashboard in mainpage to show usage statistics [15:51:16] PHPadam2: Who will use this dashboard? How often? [15:51:31] very often, all surfers in the main page [15:51:47] Duesentrieb_: ok, well, i guess it's a good policy (at least will keep people from adding hundreds of useless icons) :-) [15:51:53] Why is this useful to the surfers? [15:52:42] PHPadam2: you can pull all kinds of statistics from the database. you'd have to write an extension to be able to show that on a wiki page. [15:52:54] Andy_, cause thats what my boss asks me to do, the theoretical idea doesnt matter, bottom line is if i can do it or not [15:53:03] AHA, so the boss wants it. [15:53:10] See, now we're getting somewhere. [15:53:14] yeah, and he pays me very well for it [15:53:30] Really, he pays you for doing more than he thinks you do. [15:53:35] So ask him the hard questions, too. [15:53:47] PHPadam2: well, your name suggests you know php. go write an extension, then. it's not hard. [15:53:49] "What are we trying to achieve here? Maybe there's a better way than slapping dumb counts up there." [15:54:16] Andy_, that doesnt matter to me, i do what im asked to do [15:54:33] i honestly dont care if its a good idea or not, i care if its possible [15:54:40] PHPadam2: I'm sorry to hear that. I'd like to think that you could do better than that. [15:54:46] But there you go. [15:54:50] Go pull the stats out of the DB. [15:54:59] where from? [15:55:02] i have a template in which a user specifies his two colours (like his uniform), currently they have to do it all manually with and css [15:55:02] where do they sit [15:55:04] The database. [15:55:07] is there a way to 'automate' this process so the user just enters a number between X-Y that corresponds to a specified (by me) colour? [15:55:38] PHPadam2: to get meaningfull statistics, you'll have to understand the database schema, and know a bit of sql. [15:55:57] Duesentrieb_, i know a bit of sql [15:56:00] the hit counter is trivial, it has its own table. per-user statistics can be gathered from the revisions table. [15:56:14] short term stuff can be collected from recenchanges and logging [15:56:46] data you will *not* get is "who reads what". [15:58:43] my hit counter table is empty [16:02:15] PHPadam2: make sure you don't have $wgDisableCounters = true; somehwere in LocalSettings [16:02:30] ok [16:03:16] nop [16:07:02] PHPadam2: ah - it seems the actual data goes into page.page_counter [16:07:13] thanks :D [16:12:09] Hi, quick question: when a MediaWiki installation renders only as HTML and doesn't appear to be passing the formatting, what generally is the cause of that? [16:12:29] We have a proxy server that is passing a mediawiki instance through [16:12:51] "renders only as HTML" as in, looks like raw html? [16:12:52] and it appears that only the HTML of the page, not any of the formatting/php is getting passed through (if that makes sense) [16:13:02] that would indicate it is served with the wrong mime type [16:13:09] try accessing it without the proxy, see what happens [16:13:11] well, no, just looks likeall of the content that is supposed to be on the page, but not properly formatted [16:13:21] ah [16:13:21] yes, it works without the proxy [16:13:47] das_: you css files are not getting loaded. look for css links and includes in the header, see what happens if you try to enter those links manually into your browser [16:13:59] same probably goes for js files [16:14:33] das_: if the proxy does nome type of url mapping, make sure it does not mangle pathes to actualy files [16:14:38] like the css files [16:14:51] checking now [16:16:09] hmm, i can access at least commonPrint.css [16:17:33] yes, i can access the css and js files directly at the expected paths via the proxy... [16:18:56] at least the few examples i tried [16:19:58] Question: How to reset a user's password through the MW interface? I can't find a Special page that allows me to change a user's password. Ideas? [16:20:39] well [16:20:42] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset [16:20:43] there's an extension for that [16:20:57] ooo checking it now [16:21:13] it's evil. It doesn't ask you to confirm, it just resets it. [16:21:48] I see. So there's no MW-standard way to reset passwords, it's got to be done through a user-created extension? Poop. [16:21:57] <_tony> Is there some sort of awesome automatic photo updater that uploads the image when an image changes on a web site somewhere? [16:22:04] Correct. You can do it via direct SQL too [16:22:23] Don't fancy digging into the SQL DB, so the extension it is. Many thanks. [16:22:33] gl [16:23:30] One last question: is this Special page restricted to SysOps/Bureaucrats only? [16:23:43] individuals with 'userrights' privileges [16:23:52] Bureaucrats by default [16:23:59] kk [16:25:19] what generates all of the tabs and links at the top of the page? css or js? [16:25:37] e.g., "article", "discussion" etc [16:25:48] generated by the Skin.php and SkinTemplate.php - their appearance is governed by css. [16:25:55] ok [16:26:10] u have a specific question? [16:26:39] well, a web proxy server isn't passing something through [16:26:49] that governs the mediawiki page rendering properly [16:26:58] and i am trying to determine exactly what isn't getting passed [16:27:02] ah [16:27:45] all of the content is there [16:28:08] but all of the things like the tabs, sidebar, links at the top of the page, etc., all appear as bullets at the very bottom of the malformed page [16:28:18] and the font is all the browser default [16:28:23] Monobook skin? [16:28:25] instead of what it should be [16:28:45] hi [16:29:10] Maybe your browser is just over-riding css and ignoring the site CSS. ;-) [16:29:20] yes, default skin [16:29:56] do you have a public facing example? [16:29:59] well, this happens in all browsers on all platforms [16:30:07] TimLaqua - awesome, worked first time =) Thank you. [16:30:14] np [16:30:23] Are there any other extensions as useful, for things not inbuilt to MW? [16:30:27] the User Merge extension is pretty fun too. [16:30:34] all the extensions are useful stuff like that [16:31:11] and a number of other applications, including many that use css, are getting handled properly [16:31:11] ParserFunctions Extension is pretty cool for extra MW voodoo. [16:31:16] so mediawiki is the puzzle [16:31:22] hmm... [16:31:31] yeah, interesting... [16:31:35] Looking at mw.org, that's a *looooong* list of extensions =) Gonna take some time to check them all [16:32:02] can you directly browse to the .css files? [16:32:13] like /wikiroot/skins/monobook/main.css [16:32:24] i can browse to all the ones i have tried [16:32:31] let me try the skin css files though [16:35:01] http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71656 [16:35:24] my initial problem here was that if a variable wasn't satisfied, it's blank line was left behind, breaking the list [16:35:35] adding the fixed this, but still b0rked the linespacing [16:35:49] any ideas of how to get it to appear as any standard list? [16:36:32] lmk: My FIRST thought is that you've got a lot of repeated code. I would create a list of fields, and iterate over it. [16:37:25] sorry, i'm very new to this and don't quite know what you mean [16:38:10] timlaqua, yes, i can browse directly to all of the .css files [16:39:23] does it appear fine on the other side of the proxy? [16:39:49] Andy_: could you water that down a bit for the layman? :) [16:41:24] lmk: Instead of doing the same thing over and over again, make a loop. [16:41:26] 03(NEW) mediawiki-i18n Update for Malayalam language (ml) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10761 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (sadik.khalid) [16:41:56] lmk: If that doesn't make sense, then I'm going to have to back off because I can't teach programming in IRC.\ [16:42:19] haha fair enough [16:43:20] das_: well, your proxy voodoo is out of my scope. ;-) If you can access the php and access the css, the browser should be able to render properly. [16:43:37] Andy_: wanna tell me your thoughts on the linespacing issue? [16:43:44] lmk: Have none. [16:44:31] you just want it to dump a bulleted list? [16:44:52] me? yes [16:45:13] lmk: the try replacing the * with
  • [16:46:19] so setup the whole
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      should be implicit - you might not need to bother w/ it. [16:47:05] I think
    • is implicit too [16:47:18] 'course you need the for it to validate [16:49:01] is there any difference in LOCALMONTH and CURRENTMONTH? [16:49:07] yup [16:49:11] one is flat server time [16:49:14] one is timezone biased [16:49:22] CURRENTMONTH is always UTC [16:49:52] (i think) ;-) [16:50:02] :-) [16:53:39] TimLaqua: you're my hero [16:57:45] bye [17:00:38] Hi, i had a question about squid configuration with mediawiki/wikipedia [17:01:03] in order to clean squid cache using multicast htcp [17:22:24] hello [17:22:44] has anyone got a working breadcrumbs extension for mw 1.10.1 [17:31:56] does anyone here use dreamhost [17:36:40] terve cimon :) [17:36:56] uga [17:37:49] rar [17:39:03] zip [17:39:03] hi [17:39:12] .tar.gz [17:39:25] bz2 [17:39:46] *cimon is going to make a go at the mediawiki bugzilla thingy. [17:40:43] cimon: gonna fix some bugs? [17:40:46] so, is the obvious reason for trashed svg thumbnails when uploading in imagemagick? [17:47:50] timichal: lol, no [17:48:14] cimon, lolling at the idea of fixing bugs [17:48:14] timichal: I just wanna search to see if certain suggestions have been made already... [17:48:20] ah [17:48:28] timichal: I can't code. [17:48:47] that doesn't stop most people. ;-) [17:49:19] or at least I am very pessimistic about my ability to learn any new computer language. [17:49:24] *Jack_Phoenix cannot code either [17:49:25] yet [17:49:26] more Tim*? [17:49:32] I still wrote two parser hooks, lol :P [17:49:35] forth, prolog and basic, that is pretty much it for me [17:49:37] TimLaqua: are you related to TimStarling? ;) [17:49:43] what is parsing [17:49:59] yeah, we're in the Tim's for World Domination society. [17:50:01] < - n00b [17:50:05] ;-) never met him. [17:50:17] I doubt if one could write extensions into mediawiki using forth, basic or prolog. [17:50:47] TimLaqua: really? he's Wikimedia's server guy and one of head mediawiki developers :) [17:51:00] there is even a Tim Starling day [17:51:21] as an official wikimedia foundation holiday [17:51:24] and there's also Brion Vibber day :) [17:51:27] PHP logic is the same. Objects take some getting used to. Otherwise if you can write an IF block and copy code, you can write extensions. [17:51:36] and magnus manske day, and wikipedia day [17:51:37] hmm... We need a Tim Laqua day [17:51:54] the fun thing is of course that there is no Larry Sanger day. [17:52:15] TimLaqua: only way to do that is coding a new revolutionary mediawiki feature [17:52:17] or something [17:52:21] hmm [17:52:24] :] [17:52:26] cimon: and no Cunctator day either [17:52:32] I think they wrote all them already. ;-) [17:52:34] timichal: touche [17:53:11] timichal: maybe there will be one later on... [17:53:22] ... just a small delay [17:53:51] 03yurik * r24494 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files in 2 dirs): API: Added meta=userinfo module to get data about the currently logged-in user. [17:54:11] wb [17:56:20] I would like to create a table with 2 rows (three columns for row) with an external image for each cell. These images have to be linked to a specific URL, for each one. I'd read the documentation at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Table but without any interesting results. Does anyone can give me a good URL/suggest in order to solve the problem? [17:56:39] Sorry for my english. [17:58:36] clausio`: are external images enabled on the MediaWiki installation? [17:59:24] *claudio` suggest to use the auto-completation for nickname [17:59:32] TimLaqua, yes.. i've enabled it ``by hand''. [17:59:36] *TimLaqua has no idea where that is [17:59:55] TimLaqua, just use the [tab] [17:59:56] ;) [18:00:05] genius! [18:03:06] claudio`,http://www.poxwiki.com/Sandbox [18:03:24] claudio`, http://www.poxwiki.com/Sandbox [18:03:45] TimLaqua, i'll read both the URLs. THX [18:03:50] lol [18:03:55] ;) [18:04:32] TimLaqua, in that example the images are not linked, as far i can see [18:04:41] so you watn linked images? [18:04:44] or just the images? [18:05:03] TimLaqua, yes.. i would like to link them to a specific URL. [18:05:04] *TimLaqua reads the original question. nvm. [18:11:02] claudio`, ummm... http://www.poxwiki.com/sandbox - but it makes the usual CSS3 external link icons (may be undesirable) [18:12:08] You could always remove those CSS3 external link icons using MediaWiki:Monobook.css [18:12:47] TimLaqua, doesn't really exists a better way? [18:13:55] claudio`, have you seen it done somewhere? Possible Extension:Imagemap [18:15:42] TimLaqua, i didn't seen it nowhere, indeed. I'm looking for the Imagemap extension documentation, hopint it will be helpful. THX for your help/time [18:15:49] *hoping [18:16:09] ok, I think I got it [18:17:05] claudio`, yup. http://www.poxwiki.com/Sandbox [18:17:31] uhm.. the Imagemap is too sophisticated, there is no need to use such extension [18:17:39] TimLaqua, let me see your Sandbox [18:17:46] make a user account [18:17:47] lol [18:17:58] TimLaqua, that's exactly what i need [18:18:05] k [18:18:15] TimLaqua, can you post the code into rafb.net/paste or so? [18:18:22] sure [18:18:30] TimLaqua, THX a lot. [18:20:03] claudio`, http://rafb.net/p/jB98sf30.html [18:23:35] I am trying to install a simple Contribution extension, and i keep getting this erro: [18:23:41] TimLaqua, yes, it's definitively what i need. Good work! [18:24:09] MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'myDB.user_groups' doesn't exist [18:24:18] (part of the error, not the whole thing) [18:24:27] Extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Contribution_Scores [18:24:33] Any idea why? [18:24:42] because the guy who wrote it is lazy? [18:24:57] maybe [18:24:58] :) [18:24:59] ;-) what version of MediaWiki are you on? [18:25:09] 1.10 [18:25:23] im pretty new to this all btw, as you can tell im sure :) [18:25:35] and you get that error when you click the Contribution Scores special page? [18:25:38] yup [18:25:56] TimLaqua, can i use internal link? [18:25:57] What's the rest of the error? You can paste it in the Discussion page for that extension [18:26:03] TimLaqua, without using abolute path, i mean. [18:26:20] no, I don't think it'll parse out right [18:26:35] bad [18:26:37] the rest of the error is basically "A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:" [18:26:42] pretty simple [18:26:50] TimLaqua, is too difficult to allow the internal links too? [18:27:46] Leefmc, wierd. that's a pretty important table. [18:28:06] i have no wiki problems, everything seems to be running fine [18:28:15] got users, lots of content (well for just starting out), etc. [18:28:17] did you sue a table prefix when you installed MediaWiki? [18:28:28] ah hah, that may be it :) [18:28:45] well, it should handle that. I just wanted to know if that's the case [18:29:05] yup, that's my bad. [18:29:06] ah [18:29:08] lemme fix it quick [18:30:13] TimLaqua: how funny, i didn't even realize you were the author :D. You were puzzling me for a minute :p [18:30:20] ;-) [18:30:36] thanks :) [18:31:29] hmm... section headers don't clear floats, is there a reason to avoid setting that globally? and if so, how? can i edit the way section works, or should i change the css? [18:31:32] TimLaqua: Im not familiar with your site (assuming poxwiki is your site) but do you have any type of polling on it? Or are you aware of any 1.10 compatible polling extensions? [18:32:29] Leefmc, k, the extension should work now (recopy the _body file) [18:32:37] Vaevictus: I added a template:clear, which is just
      [18:32:56] Vaevictus: Check that div clear syntax, i forget it exactly, but i don't think its "display" [18:33:10] TimLaqua: k thx :) [18:33:45] Vaevictus, MediaWiki:Common.css - add: h1,h2 {clear: both;} [18:33:48]
      [18:34:03] yup thats it [18:34:41] i still like having the template, because then users can add it on images etc. [18:35:08] Leefmc, yeah, I have a {{ClearBoth}} template too. I just like dangerous global CSS edits. ;-) [18:35:18] lol [18:35:24] whats dangerous about it? [18:35:49] if h1 or h2 had a different clear settings for a particular template, the Common.css clear would overwrite it [18:36:05] unless it was originally spec'd with !important [18:36:25] :) [18:36:41] Head first usually gets you there faster. ;-) [18:36:45] i've got a {{clr}} template :) [18:37:51] 'fileexistserror' => 'Unable to write to file "$1": file exists', [18:37:57] what kind of error is this? [18:38:04] TimLaqua: Perfect, works now :D, thanks a bunch! [18:40:45] Nikerabbit: A pink one. [18:41:34] it doesn't make much sense anyway [18:41:56] why would I not be able to write to a file that exists? [18:42:57] tons of possible reasons [18:43:11] but that's because your question was badly formulated, so nevermind :P [18:43:19] bbs [18:43:33] 03(NEW) wording for preferences is incomplete - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10762 trivial; high; MediaWiki: User preferences; (chekh) [18:45:43] Nikerabbit: if ( $hashSource != $hashDest ) { [18:45:44] $status->fatal( 'fileexistserror', $dstPath ); [18:45:48] timichal: gah [18:46:13] why whould the existence of file prevent writing to it? [18:46:20] brb [18:46:38] It wouldn't, unless one wanted to be careful and avoid overwriting existing files, which I suspect is the concern here. [18:48:29] 03(mod) wording for preferences is incomplete - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10762 high->normal (10robchur) [18:48:54] what is $4 in filerevert-intro? [18:49:21] Ask Raymond, he changed it. [18:49:26] I think it's a URL, for use in a link. [18:49:46] $1 is the filename, sans namespace, $2 and $3 are the time and date, and $4 would be the URL. [18:49:47] $4 was formerly $3, the URL [18:49:55] ah, yes, it's [linky syntax] [18:49:59] yep [18:51:33] 03robchurch * r24495 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: (bug 10762) Tweak wording for "prefs-watchlist-days" and "prefs-watchlist-edits" [18:51:45] 03(FIXED) wording for preferences is incomplete - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10762 +comment (10robchur) [19:04:30] is robchurch around? [19:06:58] hey folks [19:07:27] has anybody had any luck creating a file upload form for something like or similar to a user picture [19:08:29] is there a general way to add some content in a page and have it show up in a different section? For instance, like the TOC and Category widgets. Say I want to add a {{{Foo}}} template entry. I want the value returned to be printed inline, but also added to a TOC-like box above [19:09:03] would I need to write a plug-in for this, or is there something standard that I'm not aware of? [19:09:10] another example is the footnotes widget [19:09:12] {{SUBST:}} [19:09:20] TimLaqua_away: cool. I'll look that up. [19:09:25] yup. [19:09:57] Hi, I've been working on customizing the look of mediawiki for a few days, I'm really stuck. Would anyone know of any articles etc. that take someone through it? My background is Java if it helps. I looked through the mediawiki docs and found them helpful to install/customize but not customize the layout. [19:14:03] TimLaqua: hurm. Doesn't look like SUBST is stock, is it? [19:14:09] it's stock [19:14:23] oh? as of when? We're on v.old and broken [19:14:31] *cj_ looks harder [19:14:33] good question [19:14:41] It's stock in 1.10+! [19:14:44] ;-) [19:15:22] oh, ha. [19:15:22] you coul just migrat to v.new and more broken [19:15:58] like try {{SUBST:CURRENTTIME}} on your wiki [19:16:15] TimLaqua: sure, but we're big and sluggish. it's planned for next year. We'll probably move to 1.7 :) [19:16:21] okay... I'll try that... [19:16:22] when you save, it should throw the string, not leave the MagicWord reference there [19:16:36] you on 1.6 now? [19:16:39] 03raymond * r24496 10/trunk/extensions/Review/Review.php: Fix type of extension credit. [19:17:12] thiessenp, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Customization [19:17:36] TimLaqua: yep. works peachy. However... I don't think that's what I'm looking for... [19:17:58] so you want like transclusion? [19:18:08] I want to insert someting into the
      element when I do something like {{FOO}} [19:18:15] TimLaqua: could be... [19:18:15] oh, yeah [19:19:08] would that
      be part of what you insert? or you want to insert in to an existing
      ? [19:19:50] I'm thinking of having the element created by the {{MyHeader}} template, and adding things to it using an {{AddItem}} template [19:20:28] yeah, that works if you use wikitext and not
      , but {| style tables [19:20:52] {{AddItem}} would print the full content inline and also add an entry to the above element [19:21:03] TimLaqua: okay. How? :) [19:21:52] cj_, throw an example of the output that you want on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox and I'll show you how to do it w/ a template [19:22:02] hokay [19:24:29] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox:Lala [19:25:15] when does v1.11 come out? [19:25:35] imownbey: get it from svn! Be a real man/woman! [19:25:45] i was looking for where to find it [19:25:49] but i couldnt get it from anywhere [19:25:49] 03nikerabbit * r24497 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFi.php: * Updates to fi [19:25:54] where is it on svn? [19:26:36] cj_, so is the top section populated at the same time the bottom section is? [19:27:26] cj_, or more accurately, could you also add the code (templates) that you envision creating that data [19:27:39] TimLaqua_away: sure, but I don't necessarily want it to contain the text when edited, just when viewed [19:28:20] duplication of data == bad [19:28:56] ok, just throw in there how you think it should work and I'll take a look [19:29:27] how do you mean 'work'? Comments about how the different sections get updated? [19:30:08] the lower section is the only one that gets updated. The upper section has items added to it for each item added to the lower section. [19:30:15] here, let me edit another page :) [19:32:58] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox:Lala2 [19:33:11] TimLaqua_away: ^^ [19:34:16] I guess I want to "tag" an item and have that tag show up above in a list of tags [19:35:17] the project I'm working on is creating a code review template. When a new review is done, the reviewer can make notes and tag each note with the severity of the policy violation [19:36:11] so with that in mind, I'll create a bit more detailed example... [19:41:46] TimLaqua_away: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox:Lala3 [19:42:35] the file name should probably be an argument to the template, but it's an example, so whatever, right? :) [19:43:26] TimLaqua: so do you just edit a CSS file and add/remove php code from an existing skin to customize mediawiki? [19:44:15] is there a function to retrieve the actual URL of an image from the Image: namespace [19:47:36] AphelionZ: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Filepath ? [19:51:51] no there's a function in the Image class called getURL that I just found but I'm having trouble getting it to work correctly, thanks though [19:52:02] I made a title, then passed the title to the Image::newFromTitle() [19:52:11] then i figured it would be a simple call to $image->getURL [19:53:36] AphelionZ: what do you want to do with the url ? [19:53:57] I'm making modifications to the user preferences page and I just want to put a thumbnail of their user photo in there [19:55:31] there's the code in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Filepath/SpecialFilepath_body.php?view=markup in function execute to get the url [19:58:53] ialexandre: ahhh cool! Title::makeTitleSafe [19:58:53] Hi, is it possible to host several different wikis in a single mediawiki installation? [19:58:55] that should do it [19:59:26] hi [19:59:58] i've written a mediawiki skin [20:00:07] how would i go about sharing/comitting/whatnotting it? [20:00:09] alphascorpii: no [20:00:39] but this would be great [20:00:51] yea, very! [20:01:43] does anyone know anything about a skin repository or anything? [20:02:42] cj_, ;-) Sayuri keeps deleting your test code - put it in the actual Sandbox, not Sandbox:something [20:03:08] ugh [20:03:12] it was not spam? [20:03:13] wow [20:04:15] or if you could undelete that Lala3 one [20:04:19] I think that was his last attempt [20:06:29] wow, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA, thats brilliant [20:07:29] TimLaqua: oh, okay :) [20:08:03] np, he's just keepin' those pages clean. ;-) The "sandbox" is usually safe, or a sub-page of your user account [20:08:34] cj_, if you create an account, you could edit like User:Tim_Laqua/Sandbox or User:yourname/Sandbox [20:09:23] I've asked this a few times, with little answers. Im still shootin in the dark hoping someone knows haha. But does anyone know of a stable polling system for 1.10? Or perhaps, a method to atleast effectively cast votes? I don't care about fancy bargraphs, just something that does the job [20:11:42] TimLaqua: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox?action=edit§ion=1 [20:11:48] ah. okay. [20:13:27] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Cjac/Sandbox [20:14:07] Leefmc: i see an extension called "Vote", and one called "BoardVote", in svn. [20:14:53] which svn? sorry im not familiar with the wiki SVN process, i assumed all the SVN extensions were on mediawiki [20:15:29] they are [20:15:37] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Vote [20:15:44] replace viewvs with svnroot for the actual repository [20:16:06] from Vote.php: "Special page allows users to register votes for a particular option in a predefined list" [20:16:09] written by robchurch [20:16:21] to ask my question again, does anyone know how i go about submitting a skin to the source repository? [20:16:38] aaisen: like any addition or patch - through bugzilla. [20:16:56] thanks Duesentrieb_, i'll look into them :D [20:17:05] i had about given up hope heh [20:17:57] 03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 +comment (10alefzet) [20:18:34] 04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 +comment (10alefzet) [20:21:07] Duesentrieb_, i've never done this before. Do i just make a bug report and submit it as an "enhancement," with my skin as a targz? [20:21:42] yes, but don't zip it. provide the files individually, or make a patch [20:23:56] cj_, I still can't wrap my head around this. I mean, I see the templates and the output - but I'm still not grasping what exactly you want to do. I mean, you want to type one thing, and you want something else to appear. So what do you want to type/input? and what is it supposed to generate? Your sandbox looks like a combination of the two... [20:25:28] 03(NEW) Adding multiple categories to an article fails when using PostgreSQL 8.1 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10763 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (pkopacz) [20:32:10] TimLaqua: heh, okay. I'll make an input and an output page [20:35:04] 03catrope * r24498 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/includes/ (SpecialUndelete.php api/ApiRollback.php): [20:35:06] apiedit: [20:35:08] * Re-adding ApiRollback.php which was deleted by the merge [20:35:10] * Tweaking SpecialUndelete.php to use new framework [20:50:23] TimLaqua: you there Tim? i think i found a bug in your http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Analytics_Integration [20:50:34] or user error heh [20:51:51] your extension is putting the tracking code at the top of the page [20:51:55] very top [20:52:58] and because its at the very top, its causing css-ish errors in Opera and possibly others (not FF) [20:55:13] ya, i'm here [20:55:19] what's busted? [20:55:52] i turned off the monobook hook and its fixed (though im using monobook) [20:56:00] k [20:56:19] I'll change it to "turn me off if you're not using Monobook or you like using opera" ;-) [20:56:33] like 4% marketshare, right? ;-) [20:56:36] but yea, with $googleAnalyticsMonobook it puts the google analytics code at the very very top of the page [20:56:47] is that intended? [20:56:51] negative [20:56:59] k [20:57:04] is ur wiki public? [20:57:07] yup [20:57:10] (i.e. example?)_ [20:57:15] 1 sec, lemme turn it back on [20:57:22] k [20:57:35] it's running on http://www.poxwiki.com/ using the Monobook switch [20:57:38] where is the latest SVN located? [20:57:54] I am trying to add a new box to my wiki's sidebar that should display the last five pages the user visited, like a history or so. Is there a macro or something I can use? [20:58:39] anyone? [20:58:39] Whats the idea behind the variable anyway? [20:59:02] imownbey: SVN for what? [20:59:06] MW? [20:59:08] yea [20:59:21] Leefmc, to get it as low as possible in the page [21:00:21] imownbey: not entierly sure, im dinkin around, i know i saw the link somewhere.. [21:00:41] TimLaqua: you got the link right? [21:01:08] Leefmc, yeah - can you paste the line where you're setting $googleAnalyticsMonobook = true ? [21:02:43] brb [21:03:47] imownbey: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#...can.27t_I_download_MediaWiki_1.11.3F [21:04:05] Can someone give me a hint? [21:04:58] alphascorpii: no idea, sorry :/ [21:05:03] alphascorpii: you'd need to hack the skin for that. i don't think there's a nice&clean way to do it. [21:05:05] (im newb though hehe) [21:05:06] thanks Leefmc [21:05:12] np imownbey [21:05:31] Duesentrieb_: hey Duesentrieb_! :) [21:05:58] alphascorpii: oh.... i didn't realize it was you :) long time no see, i guess... how are you doing? [21:06:10] TimLaqua: That did the trick [21:06:11] Duesentrieb_: ah, busy as always :) [21:06:19] TimLaqua: Check it out.. how bizarre. [21:07:11] alphascorpii: some here... still havn't finished university. but got *two* kinds now :P [21:07:12] Duesentrieb_: I can create the box using MediaWiki:Sidebar I was just pondering if there's a variable/macro to get the user's history, that is the last five pages [21:07:29] Duesentrieb_: I am just finishing it. Last exam in a week :D [21:07:40] no... and if tehre was, it probably wouldn't work with the sidebar [21:07:48] alphascorpii: wow cool! [21:07:54] alphascorpii: exam in what? [21:08:17] Information sciences. final oral exam [21:08:26] gonna do my PhD then :) [21:08:59] wow again. [21:09:17] uh, "Information sciences" where? here in LE? [21:09:25] Hildesheim [21:09:31] (near hanover) [21:09:54] hey i am trying to switch the time zone on my wiki, but it doesnt work, its always 2 hours to early, i tried the stuff from the manual but it just doesnt have any effect :( [21:10:01] does anyone know a way that works? [21:10:13] alphascorpii: ah - moving around a lot, you are :) [21:10:58] Duesentrieb_: a bit :) [21:11:09] aton`: there are two timezones: one is for times displayed in page history, recentchanges, etc - that's a per-user option and can be adjusted on your preference page. the other is for "generated" times, i.e. signatures. [21:12:09] Duesentrieb_: And you're a double dad now? Congrats! [21:12:13] and the user_options stored one is NOT fun to change. [21:12:30] alphascorpii: thanks :) [21:12:53] TimLaqua: there's a maintenance script for mass-changing user options [21:13:12] Duesentrieb_, i am looking for a way to change the generated times [21:13:24] (after all this one seems the only one i can influence, right) [21:14:16] there is? ... woe is me... [21:14:36] aton`: use something like $wgLocaltimezone = 'CET'M [21:14:43] s/M/;/ [21:14:53] Duesentrieb_, thats all? [21:14:57] should be [21:15:10] Duesentrieb_, i tried $wgLocaltimezone='Europe/Berlin' [21:15:15] didnt have any effect [21:15:27] should work too i guess. perhaps even better. [21:15:49] Duesentrieb_, oh yes it does for signatures [21:16:00] 03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 (10raimond.spekking) [21:16:01] but for the article modification dates [21:16:03] well, that'S the only thin its used for. [21:16:12] how can i change the default for users? [21:16:24] *all* users? [21:16:28] yes [21:16:34] i want them to see my time by default [21:16:36] you'll have to do that over, twice a year, you know :) [21:16:45] *TimLaqua listens intently [21:17:00] Duesentrieb_, ugh [21:17:05] 03(mod) Mailing list for nds Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10671 (10wm-thunderhead) [21:17:23] aton`: maintenance/userOptions.php [21:17:50] uh? [21:18:01] that'S the script for chaning user options [21:18:11] doesnt exist [21:18:12] Duesentrieb_: Hm, is there no way to somehow access a users history within the wiki? most of my users only visit the same three or four pages all the time so I'd like to do them a favour and add a "Recent" box [21:18:18] aton`: but it's best to let users maintain their own settings. you can set the default for anons and new users though, by changing $wgLocalTZoffset to the appropriate number of minutes. [21:18:51] alphascorpii: no, the wiki does not record who visited what. stuff like that is best left to the browser, ihmo [21:19:00] hm, okay [21:19:12] Duesentrieb_, ah thats good [21:19:17] you can write an extension that collects this data, but well... [21:19:42] aton`: remember to change that twice a year :P [21:20:34] Duesentrieb_, better to have a wrong time half a year than being off by 3 hours anytime [21:20:34] hm, actually, DefaultSettings.php suggests a hack: [21:20:37] * putenv("TZ=$wgLocaltimezone"); [21:20:37] * $wgLocalTZoffset = date("Z") / 60; [21:20:54] that should take care of DST automatically. [21:23:04] Duesentrieb_, that one doesnt work for me [21:23:15] setting localtzoffset to 120 works [21:23:27] but those two lines dont show anything [21:24:53] hi... is there an API to get only the _content_ of a page, rendered as html? [21:25:38] peppe, just call the php over the html protocol? [21:27:16] 03catrope * r24499 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/ (31 files in 8 dirs): apiedit: Merging latest revisions from trunk [21:27:41] aton`: what do you mean? [21:27:45] 03(mod) Mailing list for nds Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10671 (10robchur) [21:28:17] peppe, isnt that what php does? render the content of a wiki page in html? [21:28:25] peppe: action=render asa url param [21:31:18] Duesentrieb_: I get "" :( [21:31:53] Duesentrieb_: where did you read about that action? it isn't documented here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php [21:36:29] aton`: what I'm trying to do is getting the rendered HTML of a page without all the wiki stuff around, in order to embed the rendered page in an application [21:37:11] aton`: php has nothing to do with this, I think [21:47:02] Duesentrieb_: have you seen my query? [21:48:45] how can I remove the Retrieved from line at the bottom of articles in the 1.11 [21:49:34] 03rotem * r24500 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update. [21:51:37] anyone? [21:52:41] You could hide it with a bit of CSS, if it's wrapped in an appropriate or
      with a class or id set? [21:53:13] yea there must be a way to just take it out though [21:53:32] its not in wikipedia [21:53:55] Lo folks, I'm trying to install MediaWiki properly (i.e. listening to every gripe upon installing :P) [21:53:58] I get a ..... Warning: Your session.save_path value (/var/lib/php5) appears to be invalid or is not writable. PHP needs to be able to save data to this location for correct session operation [21:54:17] However I've been to that directory and I see sessions being formed in it [21:54:20] peppe, ah okay, i dont know then :/ [21:54:46] Oh, it is. It's normally confined to the printing stylesheet, though. [21:55:27] Cyor: Probably the trigger-happy check that we've, er, calmed down in later versions. Can you try a snapshot of the latest 1.10.x branch from Subversion? [21:56:03] nah, I'm not that geeky - if it fails then I'll bork :P [21:56:11] so its possibly a known issue then? [21:56:55] It's a known and resolved issue, resolved in branch and trunk, at least, but I doubt it went into a release. [21:56:57] *robchurch checks [21:57:15] ok, how about GNU diff3 not found. ? :P [21:57:32] know which debian package I may need, I thought it was diffutils but that dunna work [21:57:44] it already has diff tho [21:58:08] Where *is* diff3? [21:58:14] It could just be looking in all the wrong places. :P [21:58:46] is the command diff or diff3 ? [21:58:54] /usr/bin/diff3 [21:59:26] Hmm, I'd have thought it would find it there, unless it's not recognising it as a usable version. [21:59:34] You could set $wgDiff3 to the correct path. [21:59:34] where is it expecting it to be? [22:00:21] the last and final error is... Couldn't find Turck MMCache, eAccelerator, or APC. Object caching functions cannot be used. [22:00:32] I imagine I only need one of those things? right? [22:00:44] Cyor: you dont need any of them unless you want to do cacheing [22:00:50] I'm curious :P [22:00:56] which is best / gnu ? [22:01:15] memcache ontop of eaccelerator is pretty yummy [22:01:24] Only one, and only if you're not using memcached, and only if it's appropriate to use one of the three as your object cache. [22:01:36] thats the setup im using [22:01:53] seeing as memcached does queries, and eaccalerator does code [22:02:11] Note that the *primary* functionality of eAccelerator or APC is as a bytecode cache, which will provide a nice performance boost. [22:02:22] so what if I just use APC [22:02:32] then you just use APC [22:02:33] :P [22:02:47] Well, that's misleading; memcached is a better object cache, but eAccelerator and APC provide "user caches" which MediaWiki can use in the same way as it uses memcached for object caching. [22:03:06] TimLaqua_Away: sorry for the delay here... had to produce some code... [22:03:07] ok, think I'll leave this one :) [22:03:09] eAccelerator or APC are primarily bytecode caches, though. [22:03:12] doesn't seem quite - finished [22:03:12] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Cjac/Input [22:03:13] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Cjac/Output [22:03:24] aka the best thing to do is use memcached for sessions, eaccelerator for code [22:03:55] brad++ brian++ [22:04:00] so should mediawiki be looking at /usr/bin/diff3 for it? because thats where it is [22:04:11] I'm worried it can't see that [22:04:21] Cyor: It's explained somewhat at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Robchurch/Performance_tuning, at least for APC. You can pretty much consider APC and eAccelerator equivalent for this. [22:04:38] I'm fine, it doesn't matter - forget I asked [22:05:05] I'm not sure why diff3 isn't being found. [22:05:24] /usr/bin is in the search paths for it [22:05:26] anyone have any luck getting lighttpd to work with oeijfoj.com/test/subpage type titles? [22:06:21] Could it be some permissions oddness? Make sure the web server user is capable of reading and executing the file. [22:06:51] robchurch: is there some kind of test I can do to make sure it is working? [22:07:09] Make sure what is working? [22:07:40] diff3 [22:08:55] diff3 --version [22:10:01] works [22:10:07] If the output is not what is expected, then MediaWiki's installer will ignore that executable. [22:10:09] I meant a test within mediawiki [22:10:25] diff3 (GNU diffutils) 2.8.1 [22:10:29] thats the first line [22:10:40] diff3 is used for merging pages during edit conflicts. [22:11:00] Hmm, that's correct. [22:11:03] so essential then [22:11:27] Not really. [22:11:35] alright I'll install it, can u give me a scenario to create in mediawiki - to test if it does that function? [22:12:28] Create a page with two or more sections. Begin editing one section from one machine, and edit another section from another machine. You might be able to do it within a different browser, even. [22:12:47] Save in the second, then in the first; there should be no edit conflict (page merged ok, using diff3) [22:14:10] I've no idea on even how to do sections! lol [22:14:19] I'm setting this up for a friend [22:15:32] =section header= [22:15:39] ==subsection header== [22:17:05] hehe - if you move a page around inside the MediaWiki namespace, the message cache doesn't notice. [22:18:09] robchurch: I think thats fine :S [22:18:17] one last thing... How can I turn... [22:18:22] http://wiki.org/index.php/Main_Page [22:18:23] into [22:18:27] http://wiki.org/Main_Page [22:18:33] *TimLaqua_Away grins [22:18:38] there a premade htaccess I can drop in? [22:18:39] Short answer, don't; long answer, read the FAQ. [22:19:04] Cyor: you could change it to http://wiki.org/wiki/Main_Page [22:19:32] thats fine too [22:19:42] just looks odd having the index.php looking like a directory [22:20:35] it isn't even... /index.php?title=article [22:20:45] which I'd have expected if there was no rewrite at all [22:21:49] That's a natty feature that you can switch off if you want, thanks to some clever behaviour by Apache. [22:21:59] how? [22:22:19] I trying to make sense of ... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL [22:22:22] Set $wgArticlePath = "{$wgScript}?title=$1"; in LocalSettings.php [22:22:27] but its like 30 pages long and I can't make sense of what applies [22:23:40] robchurch: put that line at the end? because I don't see $wgArticlePath mentioned in it elsewhere [22:24:48] now it looks even weirder URl... http://wikik.org/?title=Main_Page [22:28:23] *NotACat makes robchurch a nice mug of cocoa to brace him for the latest lunatic comment posted to his blog ;-) [22:28:26] night chaps [22:28:44] 03daniel * r24501 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/ (Gadgets.i18n.de.php Gadgets.i18n.php Gadgets.php README): fixed i18n issues [22:31:58] 03david * r24502 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (47 files in 12 dirs): (log message trimmed) [22:32:00] Merged revisions 24415-24479 via svnmerge from [22:32:02] svn+ssh://david@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3 [22:32:04] ........ [22:32:06] r24418 | robchurch | 2007-07-28 15:21:23 -0700 (Sat, 28 Jul 2007) | 4 lines [22:32:08] * Allow overwriting existing files with conflicting names using the --override option [22:32:10] * More useful output (no. of files added, overwritten, skipped) [22:32:22] looks like the rewrite did what it should, Cyor [22:32:28] quick question: does mwdumper return any error codes when it encounters an issue during import? ISTR it does not... [22:47:36] hi, I have a question about section ids and linking.... anyone here know why wikipedia uses such unusual markup in this regard (that is, anchor elements inside empty paragraphs, rather than assigning an id to the header element or div element for that section? [22:47:36] 01for example:

      [22:47:36]

      Food sources

      01 [22:47:36] 01instead of:

      Food sources

      [22:48:08] mediawiki, I mean, not wikipedia [22:53:35] <_Danny_B_> schepers: 1) backward compatibility 2) ability to link sections which begin on non ascii letters [22:54:05] <_Danny_B_> however, it should not be wrapped in

      but

      though [22:54:26] I see [22:55:00] 14(INVALID) Problem with wikilinks in template Parameter - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10757 +comment (10ssanbeg) [22:56:01] backward compatibility with what, if I may ask? is there a user agent that doesn't support fragment id linking? [22:57:14] I see that the anchor still uses id, though... is there an instance where that isn't the case? [22:58:01] <_Danny_B_> schepers: old browsers did not support id fragment linking and regarding the second part: [22:58:34] <_Danny_B_> try to create header starting with nonascii letter on sandbox and take a look in code [23:01:16] I see... very interesting... [23:01:27]

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      álcave

      [23:03:02] I think a better way to do this would be a div, as you say, or inserting the anchor in the header, before the text [23:03:18] but I'll try to work around it [23:11:39] _Danny_B_: do you think that I could convince someone to modify the output to be a little more intuitive? [23:12:10] <_Danny_B_> schepers: you can file a bug for that [23:12:24] it would also result in less markup, and save a little bandwidth :) [23:12:30] ok, thanks [23:17:56] <_Danny_B_> schepers: i already wrote some suggestions about that on wikitech-l [23:18:17] hmm, what's that? [23:18:27] <_Danny_B_> maillist [23:18:47] ah, ok [23:18:58] <_Danny_B_> however filing a bug for that isn't bad idea [23:19:45] _Danny_B_: fyi, I've written a FF extension that lets you automatically find the link closest to where you've selected, for making references and citations, and this unusual markup doesn't work with it...04 01I could customize the extension to try to find it, but it would be a moderately tricky bit of code, because there's no clear relationship between a section and a previous paragaph [23:21:07] I'll file a bug on it [23:21:12] thanks for your help [23:21:42] <_Danny_B_> schepers: there was pretty long talk about things like wrapping sections in divs [23:23:02] _Danny_B_: have to run an errand, bbiab [23:33:56] woooo whoring!! http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Uncyclopedia:VFH/Dirty_Potter [23:34:13] well um...I'll leave...