. Maybe also , and perhaps
, and sometimes 
 - but that's about it.
[15:38:34] 	_NeoRa_uzer-, some scripts may help you making tables: http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usuario:Platonides/TablaFacil.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s
[15:40:04] <_NeoRa_uzer->	scripts? what are those =?
[15:40:35] 	javascript snippets...
[15:41:05] 	for example, this will add a button to the toolbar helping you with creating a NxM table
[15:41:22] <_NeoRa_uzer->	oh oh. I think i understand now
[15:43:32] <_NeoRa_uzer->	A lil' weird question but what does the MediaWiki use it's own codes or is it build on CSS or w/e?
[15:43:50] <_NeoRa_uzer->	on it's own if im not mistaken?
[15:44:12] 	err.. mediawiki uses a lot of things. css is one of them
[15:44:35] 	and it has its own codes
[15:44:37] 	other are html and javascript (on the user side) and php on the server
[15:45:06] <_NeoRa_uzer->	Does it use lots of 
[15:45:13] 	style definitions in wikitext are simply CSS though.
[15:45:15] <_NeoRa_uzer->	Javascript?
[15:45:29] 	internally, quite a bit. it works without, though
[15:46:00] 	"normal" users don't need to touch javascript, and shouldn't notice when they are using it
[15:47:05] 	question: i have a base domain name that i want to use as a portal for literally hundreds of self-contained wikis within the same domain. How would i go about creating the separate wikis in the safest, most efficient way? So far i only have one. I also hope there's a possibility to create inter-wiki categories...
[15:47:27] <_NeoRa_uzer->	So it's safe to assume that for a good wiki the admin needs to have knowledge in HTML, CSS, Javascripts and so on?
[15:47:45] 	feltipen: inter-wiki categories?... no.
[15:47:58] 	_NeoRa_uzer-, +PHP and SQL
[15:48:00] 	feltipen: there's the Farmer extension - that makes it easier to set up a wiki farm/family
[15:48:11] 	search the faq for "wiki family" for some more info
[15:48:13] 	03rotem * r24526 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[15:48:30] 	TimLaqua: huh? what? no.
[15:48:39] 	he said "good wiki"
[15:48:43] 	;-)
[15:49:06] 	_NeoRa_uzer-: a good wiki admins should know a bit of html, css and maybe javascript (if you want to set up fancy extra features). 
[15:49:14] 	thx dues
[15:49:15] 	I agree, HTML, CSS, and JS will fancy it up nicely.
[15:50:16] 	_NeoRa_uzer-: you can admin a wiki without knowing any of that, sure. it all depends on how fancy you want to get. for the really nice features, you would need to write extensions, and then you need php and sql, and better understanding of html, css and javascript.
[15:50:16] <_NeoRa_uzer->	Hmmmm. . . Time to find some hard knowing expert! :)
[15:50:38] <_NeoRa_uzer->	yeah i know
[15:50:58] <_NeoRa_uzer->	Well. For an example. How about.. um.. www.WoWWiki.com
[15:51:09] 	WoWWiki is crazy
[15:51:18] 	you just want that black style?
[15:51:23] 	btw, im looking for someone who knows php...i have a project and although it's a not-for-profit service, im willing to pay for the job, cause i'm sure it's not an easy one. want a challenge? and a chance to become famous?
[15:51:37] 	http://www.poxwiki.com/MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[15:51:39] <_NeoRa_uzer->	Nope. It's not abouut the style. It's their tables and etc..
[15:51:50] 	yeah, that's CSS
[15:52:15] 	WoWWiki also does a great job of making custom icons to go along w/ their messages and boxes.
[15:52:51] <_NeoRa_uzer->	Yes. Well i guess icons could be done. But their interface is pretty nice. Atleasst visually i can say that
[15:52:58] 	I agree
[15:53:38] <_NeoRa_uzer->	So do you guys think it takes a notch to make something similar?
[15:54:39] 	it's doable.  I had the people who requested poxwiki.com request that it look "like" WoWWiki - so www.poxwiki.com was a few hours of CSS theivery and guess/check work.
[15:55:17] 	but like I said, the guys at WoWWiki are very dilligent about everything coming together w/ iconst, graphics, etc.  That's what really brings it together.
[15:55:36] <_NeoRa_uzer->	Yes that's true..
[15:56:05] 	so you can color it the same, but it takes some serious investment to sit down and wrap it all up in a neat little bow.
[15:56:39] 	Who did WoWWiki anyway?
[15:57:10] <_NeoRa_uzer->	Yep. Coloring doesnt really budge me. It's their interface. Hell I can't even make a table. :) Im trying to make a table on DreamWeaver and copy and paste it to the localhost :) Seems sort of alright  =D
[15:58:14] 	Duesentrieb_: i downloaded the Farmer extension directory, but i noticed it includes an sql file. I've never had to mess with sql before...
[15:59:58] <_NeoRa_uzer->	TimLaqua: I think a couple of people work on WoWWiki at the same time
[16:00:05] 	for sure.
[16:00:27] 	i set up the wiki through dreamhost's 'one-click install'
[16:01:15] 	so i dont know if i have this kind of access
[16:05:10] 	feltipen: running a wiki farm is not for "one click installs"; you would want at least shell access, and probably your own (virtual) server
[16:05:35] 	feltipen: running a wiki farm makes you kind of a web hast yourself. you should know your stuff.
[16:07:37] 	hmm
[16:08:09] *feltipen 	feels impotent
[16:08:33] 	feltipen: runnign a lot of wikis not only means a lot of configurations details - it also uses a lot of space. how much room do you have in the database with your webhost?...
[16:08:40] 	how much room on disk for images and stuff?
[16:08:53] 	and perhaps a database dump or two...
[16:09:57] <_NeoRa_uzer->	Guys. I donno if you are right or not and i will not state so. :P However i think that this DreamWeaver is doing something.. Im actually making some tables here =D
[16:10:25] 	total disk space is 252gb
[16:11:04] 	3tb bandwidth
[16:11:22] 	cant seem to find limits for sql usage
[16:11:37] 	_NeoRa_uzer-, yeah, Dreamweaver will spit out tables that can be cut and pasted in to Wiki
[16:12:20] <_NeoRa_uzer->	However my text just got stuck onto one  another... 0.o
[16:12:23] 	but that kind of defies the entire theory behind wikis
[16:12:59] 	i have a 'manage mysql' option as well
[16:13:26] 	'modify db', looks good so far
[16:13:45] 	feltipen, that tool should allow you to import a .sql script
[16:13:54] 	excellent
[16:17:13] 	the farmer extension is telling me to first rename a table
[16:17:32] 	to add a prefix
[16:18:01] 	but i need the old table name, which i dont really know...
[16:20:39] 	www.lostocean.org/sql.jpg
[16:20:57] 	im this interface right now
[16:22:25] 	blah
[16:22:38] 	click on the Database drop down
[16:22:42] 	select the wiki database
[16:22:49] 	taht should show you the table names that you're currently using
[16:25:15] 	so i see 33 tables in one wiki db, and farmer says i have to edit all tablenames so they have a prefix
[16:25:23] 	yup
[16:25:26] 	but doesnt identify what the prefix must be
[16:25:31] 	any previx
[16:25:59] 	like, you can use wikidb1_ or something
[16:26:11] 	then you'll set $wgDBprefix = "wikidb1_";
[16:26:11] 	hi all
[16:26:16] 	rar TOR_CNR
[16:26:20] 	ok they all have wiki_ as a prefix already, so that's fine
[16:26:24] 	hey brion :)
[16:26:28] 	sounds good
[16:26:31] 	great
[16:26:56] 	let's say we have the project namespace under "Foo". and we need to create an article (in the main namespace) with the title "Foo:_Bar". any ideas? :)
[16:27:30] 	heyyy
[16:28:06] 	greetings brion :) having fun in Taiwan, are we?
[16:29:22] 	Hey brion, is centralauth working?  I was interested in using it.
[16:29:44] 	I tried to upgrade my MediaWiki from 1.6.10 to 1.10.1, following the directions on the help wiki, but when I go to Special:Version, it says I'm still running 1.6.10. What might I have missed?
[16:29:52] 	Fyren: depends on what you're trying to do with it ;)
[16:30:01] 	but expect it to undergo many more changes in the next two weeks
[16:30:12] 	brion: We've got a small farm of wikis.  Currently we just hacked it to point at one user table, which sucks.
[16:30:13] 	i wouldn't recommend it for third parties :)
[16:30:14] 	hi! What would be the best character to use as a separator in a list of page names? ie. what characters aren't allowed in titles?
[16:30:33] 	using one user table is my recommendation if you're starting from scratch
[16:30:36] 	Tango42: |
[16:30:37] 	very very very much my recommendation
[16:30:43] 	that's what we should have done
[16:30:48] 	but we were idiots and didn't start that way
[16:30:56] 	that is the only reason at all we need this system
[16:30:57] 	Duesentrieb_: Thanks!
[16:30:59] 	brion: The part that sucks is that your preferences for each wiki are forced to be the same.
[16:31:19] 	that's a feature ;)
[16:31:27] 	I don't think the users see it that way.
[16:31:36] 	Fyren: can be solved using views and federated tables (if you have mysql5)
[16:31:51] 	or just views, probably, if all is on the same db server
[16:32:42] 	anyway, gotta go.
[16:33:31] 	eww :D
[16:33:35] 	anyway
[16:33:44] 	if you want to try it out, don't deploy it yet :)
[16:36:28] 	fryen why do you dislike the idea of one user table for the whole farm?
[16:40:53] 	hello all
[16:41:33] 	how can i lock the main page for edit?
[16:41:50] 	click "protect" across the top
[16:42:53] 	feltipen: Because of what I just said.
[16:45:21] 	using centralauth, all the prefs are forced to be equal?
[16:45:34] 	No, with one table.
[16:45:49] 	ic
[16:47:11] 	how is it possible to protect the mediawiki from spam?
[16:48:53] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist
[16:49:20] 	is it possible to get mediawiki to check internal links, and place a nationality-flag image beside them, in the case of the linked-to article containing appopriate nationality info?
[16:51:02] 	seems an extension could do that
[16:53:38] 	carl: could you point me in the right direction?
[16:54:43] 	sadly, no
[16:55:00] 	all i know is that you can have an extension parse the linked page on submit time
[16:56:07] 	yo
[16:56:09] 	hello
[16:59:23] 	brion, are you the same brion that wrote the cental authentication extension?
[17:00:08] 	yeah, Brion is Brion always :P
[17:03:22] 	i noticed rss and atom are available for some pages like the recent changes page, but can rss be set up for every article?
[17:06:39] 	aaisen: yes, and it's still under development. please don't try to use it on a third party site right now
[17:08:05] 	ok, brion.  that is too bad, since it looks like just what I am looking for.  good luck developing it :)
[17:11:29] 	thx
[17:12:43] 	Can someone tell me how this page is "performing"? (http://elearn.tru.ca/index.php/E-Learning_and_Empire:_The_US_Military_and_Instructional_Technology)  I'm having no issues with the speed, but someone here is and we'd like to try to see if we can isolate the issue at that individual machine, or if it's a net-wide problem.  Thank you kindly =)
[17:15:57] 	hi. Special:Popularpages: is it possible to get the category views listed besides article pages? they are counted as well
[17:18:26] 	03rotem * r24527 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Fix.
[17:19:05] 	03(mod) add hook to User::isBlockedFrom - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10764  (10robchur)
[17:20:42] 	ok. i have a problem....       my host only allows me to use 8 mb php!   
[17:20:58] 	i can't create any articles/add users in my wiki
[17:21:24] 	8mb php?  What do you mean?
[17:21:32] 	should i a) tweak it, somehow or b) buy an upgrade to 16 mb?
[17:21:33] 	one sec
[17:21:37] 	i'm confused too
[17:21:44] 	my host is a hustler
[17:21:52] 	aren't they all.  ;-)
[17:22:19] 	'8 mb php limit'
[17:22:21] 	they say
[17:22:34] 	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 4864 bytes) in /usr/home/web/web204777/includes/AutoLoader.php on line 328
[17:22:56] 	ah
[17:23:49] 	ah?
[17:23:54] 	that sucks hardcoe
[17:24:08] 	i was afraid someone would say that
[17:24:09] 	:(
[17:24:37] 	a 16 mb limit won't change a thing?
[17:24:47] 	tell them you'll have to look for another host when they can't do it
[17:24:50] 	i mean.. until it gets bigger
[17:24:54] 	it will change a thing
[17:24:58] 	have mine on 20
[17:25:05] 	hmmm...
[17:25:12] 	sucks
[17:26:00] 	told ya :D
[17:26:02] 	how much they want for the memory bump?
[17:26:22] 	way too much
[17:26:27] 	*hate*
[17:26:40] 	about �13
[17:26:55] 	tell them and wait for reaction.
[17:27:00] 	24mb is the max--- at about �20-something
[17:27:14] 	so it just stopped working?
[17:27:18] 	i'll just write my own wiki...
[17:27:30] 	no it installed fine
[17:27:40] 	i just cant write articles or add users
[17:28:42] 	will also become hard with multiple users on your page at the same time imo
[17:29:14] *ablabla 	picked the worst host
[17:33:43] 	dreamhost does me good
[17:34:36] 	except for the catastrophic data warehouse power failure that crippled the company and lost over half its client base in the summer of 2006
[17:34:59] 	but since then they've given the clients who stuck with them (like me) all kinds of added benefits
[17:35:10] 	and they're quite reliable now
[17:36:26] 	ok now back to trying to get this farmer extension uploaded
[17:41:48] 	feltipen, is that when the $97 off offers came in?
[17:43:11] 	i think that was just a viral marketing incentive
[17:43:21] 	it was there when i first joined at the end of 2005
[17:43:27] 	Ah, so no then
[17:43:28] 	:)
[17:43:49] 	;)
[17:44:26] 	hey i dont mean to spam the chan but i need some help so if you're into php can you check this out? www.lostocean.org/app.html
[17:44:59] 	I need to get myself sorted out, work out what i want for a domain, and stump up for a couple of years hosting with them
[17:49:51] 	how can i make a page be a redirection page?
[17:50:06] 	like redirect to an extern url
[17:54:46] 	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Redirect
[18:01:06] 	03rotem * r24528 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ (ParserFunctions.i18n.php ParserFunctions.php): 
[18:01:09] 	does anybody happen to know why all my parser functions are adding a blank  before their returned output in the html
[18:01:09] 	Introducing a new parser function, "#timel", which is the same as "#time" but
[18:01:11] 	uses the local time specified by the computer or by wgLocaltimezone. It passes a
[18:01:13] 	local timestamp to Language::sprintfDate or the compatibility function, per its
[18:01:15] 	comment ("Input timestamp is assumed to be pre-normalized to the desired local
[18:01:19] 	time zone, if any"), but this doesn't cause problems (except for the "+0000"
[18:01:21] 	written when using c and r flags).
[18:01:33] 	check out http://www.wikibondev.org/User:Hen the rendering there
[18:02:20] 	also, http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71696
[18:02:24] 	is my extension code
[18:02:34] 	is it possible to get mediawiki to check internal links, and place a nationality-flag image beside them, in the case of the linked-to article containing appopriate nationality info?
[18:03:05] 	03(NEW) Exclusion list for random articles - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10768 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (alpertron)
[18:11:04] 	is there any way to turn that off?
[18:12:02] 	Can someone tell me how this page is "performing"? (http://elearn.tru.ca/index.php/E-Learning_and_Empire:_The_US_Military_and_Instructional_Technology)  I'm having no issues with the speed, but someone here is and we'd like to try to see if we can isolate the issue at that individual machine, or if it's a net-wide problem.  I've done some stress testing and confirmed that the longest load-time was less than 7 seconds.  Can someone /please/ confirm
[18:12:39] 	downloaded in just a few seconds, notstudent
[18:12:52] 	perl_splut, thanks
[18:13:08] 	perl_splut: thank you _very_ much for your time =)
[18:14:51] 	does anyone have any idea why when i click the submit button on the form I've just written (on a new special page) it takes me to a search results page? the url it's loading is right (my special page with &action=submit on the end), but the page it loads is completely wrong...
[18:18:05] 	i have a template in which i need to include {{PAGENAME}} in an external link, which works fine unless the article name is more than one word
[18:18:14] 	ideas?
[18:18:32] 	does {{PAGENAMEE}} work?
[18:18:47] 	what's that?
[18:18:58] 	it's pagename, but escaped for going in urls
[18:19:45] 	i'm not sure if it replaces spaces by underscores or not (which is probably what you want)
[18:20:04] 	hm nah, doesnt work (same behaviour)
[18:20:27] 	but i'd prefer it changed spaces to %20
[18:21:29] 	so what is it doing?
[18:21:50] 	oh, no, you're right
[18:21:56] 	replaces space with underscore
[18:22:10] 	hmm, better but not ideal
[18:23:20] 	possible to get %20 instead of underscore?
[18:23:55] 	The browser should turn spaces into %20's itself, shouldn't it?
[18:24:03] 	links with spaces in usually work...
[18:24:24] 	you wanna see its behaviour?
[18:24:32] 	yeah
[18:26:02] 	http://wiki.qwdrama.com/Venom_%28Australian_Player%29
[18:26:08] 	using http://wiki.qwdrama.com/Template:Chtv
[18:26:12] 	oh, hang on - is it taking the space to mean what comes after is what you want the link text to be?
[18:26:26] 	yep, something like that
[18:26:36] 	hang on, let me test something
[18:26:42] 	sure
[18:28:01] 	hmm... well, replacing the spaces with %20's would work perfectly... I can't see a way to do that, though. I think you might have to make do with underscores.
[18:28:21] 	mm
[18:28:29] 	thanks for your help mate
[18:28:43] 	no prob
[18:28:55] 	ah, just occured to me
[18:29:15] 	in articles with disambiguation stuff in its title, that should be stripped
[18:29:36] 	ie: pagename "Venom (Australian Player)" should be just "Venom" in the link
[18:29:47] 	i guess that means lots of parserfunction #if stuff ;_;
[18:29:48] 	i'm not sure you can do that kind of processing with parserfunctions...
[18:30:02] 	surely..
[18:30:16] 	:(
[18:30:17] 	are their parser functions for string manipulation?
[18:30:43] 	i have no idea man, i started editing wikis two days ago
[18:30:53] 	Tango42: no :-( 
[18:30:56] 	lol - talk about jumping in at the deep end
[18:31:05] 	haha yep
[18:31:31] 	Thanks, Raymond. In that case, I don't think you can do what you want without editing some php
[18:32:15] 	doesn't [[Venom (Australian Player) | ]] do the trick?
[18:33:02] 	anyway, back to my question: Does anyone know why my submit button is taking me to a search results page?
[18:34:53] 	Raymond_: the problem is i wanna use {{PAGENAME}} as the last part of an external link, so when {{PAGENAME}} has multiple words, the link breaks... {{PAGENAMEE}} is better, and fixes the aesthetic problem with the link, but the link itself is useless
[18:35:14] 	Raymond_: that gives an internal link, he wants just the text
[18:35:26] 	Oh i see
[18:38:26] 	wait, i could always just make it so they have to specify the name, right?
[18:38:39] 	like {{chtv|name=Venom}}
[18:38:58] 	then use {{{name}}} instead of {{pagename}}?
[18:41:12] 	03(mod) add hook to User::isBlockedFrom - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10764  (10thomas.dalton)
[18:41:58] 	lmk: yeah, that would work, it's just more work for the user (and increased chance of user-error). It's probably your best bet, though.
[18:42:24] 	well it wouldn't break pages that aren't subject to the issue, right?
[18:43:01] 	i'll try some stuff and let you know
[18:48:45] 	03(mod) add hook to User::isBlockedFrom - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10764  +comment (10thomas.dalton)
[18:49:13] 	how can i make it so that a predefined namespace is searched by default, for example "help" ?
[18:50:51] 	Tango42: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71698
[18:50:55] 	done
[18:52:18] 	lmk: looks good
[18:58:52] 	what format is $wgUser->mRegistration in? Is it a simple unix timestamp or something else, because strftime("%D", $wgUser->mRegistration) is throwing some weird results
[19:03:47] 	I'm also still wrestling with those extraneous 's the parser functions are rendering.. :(
[19:04:47] 	GlobalFunctions.php - wfTimestampOrNull() is the func - wfTimestampOrNull( TS_MW, $s->user_registration ) is the original call
[19:05:05] 	f/ User->mRegistration
[19:19:36] 	Is it normal that I can look at other people's files on my shared host?
[19:25:46] 	is there a way to create a link to a windows file share (internal wiki implementation) that I'm not seeing?
[19:27:09] 	akin to baz 
[19:27:35] 	Does anyone here use an extension for uploading multiple files at once?
[19:35:14] 	can the standard mediawiki decapitalise article names when appopriate (ala wikipedia)?
[19:47:07] 	hi
[19:47:49] 	does anyone know how the es.wiki makes it so that whan you click "upload image" it automatically goes to commons?
[19:56:22] 	hi
[19:57:31] 	What's the notation for entering non-wiki text?  just plain text..
[19:58:10] 	meaning?
[19:58:42] 	you can always just use  Your text goes here...  but I'm not sure if that's exactly what you're looking for?
[20:01:08] 	 should work..
[20:01:34] 	I want to write some bash script in there... part of documentation.
[20:01:50] 	ah, yes.  is what you want, then
[20:03:52] 	Hi!  I'm doing soe testing with LDAP/AD auth on mediawiki, and am having problems... is there a log file for mediawiki?  What's the default location?
[20:05:22] 	bensherman: just guessing, wouldn't the httpd logs be the place to see the errors?
[20:05:40] 	I don't see any in there. :(
[20:05:54] 	I see a php function called printDebu, but i don't know where that goes:
[20:05:54] 	                $this->printDebug("Entering userExists",1);
[20:07:24] 	should I be able to mix a # list with a * list? My subsequent #'s are renumbered from 1 :(
[20:07:55] 	I blame ... dan'g he isn't here... I was going to blame robchurch
[20:08:42] 	facefaceface: Do you have intervening balnk lines?
[20:09:15] 	Andy_, nope, but I do have some ** entries below * entries
[20:09:52] 	that should be fine I'd think.
[20:10:13] 	Andy_,  http://funktopia.net/index.php/Sandbox
[20:10:32] 	Just clicking on that URL, I feel the urge to move my booty
[20:10:40] 	thats good :D
[20:11:06] 	oooh, I see
[20:11:10] 	hold on
[20:11:21] *facefaceface 	holds his booty
[20:11:32] 	oh, shoot.
[20:11:34] 	Huh, Id unno
[20:11:38] 	You lose. :-)
[20:11:43] 	03yurik * r24529 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (OutputPage.php api/ApiQueryUserInfo.php): Per Brion's suggestion, fixed blocker user detection: User::whoIs($wgUser->blockedBy());
[20:12:07] 	;-) thanks for trying... I would also like to throw in :'s and not be reset to 1... but there you go.
[20:13:43] 	OK, now I blame all developers... all of them!
[20:13:55] 	how dare they give me software that I then use!!!
[20:15:48] 	newmember: 
[20:16:53] 	Andy_, its a way to go ... http://funktopia.net/index.php/Funktopia_2.0
[20:17:22] 	yeah, you just don't have the bullets
[20:17:35] *facefaceface 	misses his bullets :...(
[20:18:58] 	hey robchurch 
[20:20:13] 	03(WONTFIX) Exclusion list for random articles - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10768  +comment (10robchur)
[20:20:54] 	'lo
[20:21:05] 	is there a way I can add text manipulation plugins... i.e., syntax extentions or something to my mediawiki?
[20:21:16] 	twobitsp1ite, yes
[20:21:27] 	hi robchurch 
[20:21:28] 	hehe
[20:21:29] 	I wish I could see these debug logs
[20:21:30] 	specifially, I want it to translate the wiki-text "--" into the HTML "—"
[20:21:32] 	Where do they live?!
[20:21:37] 	twobitsp1ite, see 'extensions'
[20:22:01] 	Some old bloke gets into a fire, and the police help him out? So grateful...the old geezer knees the copper straight in the knackers.
[20:22:09] 	Hello, Sundance_Raphael.
[20:22:14] 	twobitsp1ite, oh... you want to extend the mediawiki syntax... Don't know...
[20:22:51] 	facefaceface: yeah.. think I might have to hack the actual PHP?
[20:23:03] 	robchurch, did he set himself ablaze as an act of political and/or religious descent?
[20:23:04] 	twobitsp1ite: You might be able to do something like that with an extension which uses one of the hooks in the parser (not a parser hook, which is something else) and transforms the text.
[20:23:16] 	twobitsp1ite, no idea :( sorry.
[20:23:28] 	facefaceface: No, his house caught fire, boiler or something.
[20:23:33] 	robchurch: any idea where I would look to figure out how to do that?
[20:23:40] 	"A police officer says a retired army captain elbowed him in the nose and kneed him in the testicles as he tried to lead him to safety from a fire."
[20:23:46] 	people don't like to be disturbed while they are at home.
[20:24:12] 	twobitsp1ite: Read up on hooks; docs/hooks.txt. There are some which are called during specific stages of a parse run; one might be suitable.
[20:24:25] 	robchurch: cool, thanks
[20:24:31] 	bensherman: Debug log is set with $wgDebugLogFile, set it to a writable path.
[20:24:33] 	haha!
[20:24:41] 	Got it EXACTLY as you were saying that
[20:24:41] 	haha
[20:24:46] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug_MediaWiki
[20:24:52] 	thanks!
[20:29:28] 	so ... robchurch will you work on my new project for me?
[20:29:47] 	Depends on what it is and what it's worth to me.
[20:29:54] 	so, I'm guessing I should define $wgHooks in my LocalSettings.php?
[20:30:18] 	twobitsp1ite: no.
[20:30:36] 	I am a scientist, and I spend a lot of effort organizing literature and writing papers.
[20:30:40] 	you would add to wgHooks to register your extension . but in tehj extension's php file.
[20:30:48] 	which you would then include in localsettings
[20:31:01] 	ahh, I see
[20:31:27] 	twobitsp1ite: look at some small extension as an example.
[20:31:45] 	It struck me one day that the 'Introduction' part of a scientific paper is totally dumb... sometimes you read a good one, but often you read the same sad string of citations repeated ad nausium by students who can't come up with anything better.
[20:32:43] 	So I figured that we need a database of the best 'introductions' to various topics in the light of various projects, all organized with 'proper' citation mechanisms. 
[20:32:45] 	twobitsp1ite:  PageNotice might be a good example for using a hook. though it's a little broken :P
[20:33:11] 	(I never found a good citation extension... however, I have not been looking)
[20:33:17] 	so that is my project
[20:34:01] 	I will integrate this PHP Pubmed interface http://bioinformatics.org/project/?group_id=131 with mediawiki, and then begin writing introducitons...
[20:34:22] 	robchurch, and it could be worth a share in 500 bucks!
[20:34:47] 	yurikny: you there?
[20:34:55] *facefaceface 	waits patiently to be slapped in the face.
[20:35:11] 	hi
[20:35:15] 	Duesentrieb_: !
[20:35:34] 	hey there :=
[20:35:35] 	)
[20:35:40] 	err... anyway.
[20:35:42] 	howdy
[20:36:05] 	Duesentrieb_ is lost for words???
[20:36:10] 	wow
[20:36:26] 	yurikny: i was wondering about api.php's login feature. it would be nice to have a way to *check* if i'm already logged in; and it would be good if it would tell me if i have been blocked.
[20:36:45] 	userinfo :)
[20:36:48] 	already implemented
[20:36:52] 	pending sync
[20:36:56] 	oh, is it?
[20:37:05] *yurikny 	gives himself a cookie
[20:37:12] *feltipen 	steals it
[20:37:21] *yurikny 	stabs feltipen
[20:37:22] 	facefaceface: you want do integrate pubmed with mediawiki?
[20:37:39] *robchurch 	uses a cleverly-concealed cross-site scripting vulnerability to forge yurikny's cookie and put Barney the Dinosaur on everyone's talk page
[20:37:39] 	yurikny: hm... it's not mentioned on the help page :)
[20:37:49] 	jimbojw, yes. I will make mw pages for pubmed articles.
[20:38:10] 	robchurch: nononono. the cookie monster. who else?
[20:38:14] *yurikny 	has no imagination, thus stabs robchurch
[20:38:24] 	too
[20:38:25] 	BARNEY THE DINOSAUR KICKS COOKIE MONSTER'S FURRY ASS
[20:38:47] 	My army of pre-school entertainment toys can take yours any day.
[20:38:49] 	Duesentrieb_:  which help page?
[20:39:03] 	yurikny: the one api.php spits out per defualt
[20:39:15] 	right - that's because its not synced on the servers yet :)
[20:39:21] 	look in svn
[20:39:23] 	a while back, i co-created an extension base for auto-generating articles, it may be of some interest to you: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PagesOnDemand
[20:39:29] 	facefaceface: ^
[20:39:36] 	ah... so you're not saying i should have known and could have used it...
[20:39:45] 	thanks jimbojw I will definately take a look!
[20:39:49] 	fine then, i'll try to be patient a little longer.
[20:39:52] 	Duesentrieb_: nope :)
[20:40:02] 	yonatan: hm, how about "logout", just to round things off?
[20:40:14] 	Special:Logout is simple enough i guess, but still...
[20:40:30] 	see above:  	pending sync
[20:40:30] 	btw Mediawiki-Wiki has no captscha if someone logt fals in
[20:40:44] 	facefaceface: no problem, by itself, it doesn't do anything, but it provides hooks where your own extension could be plugged in to generate articles.  I contemplated writing a Pubmed populator from it - but never got around to doing it
[20:40:53] 	yurikny: cool then :)
[20:41:32] 	jimbojw, that is where Librarian comes in (see link above)
[20:41:51] 	so weird - all edit tokens everywhere are the same, except image deletion and revision rollback
[20:42:13] 	facefaceface: yeah - it may just be a plumbing job
[20:42:25] 	shouldn't the user request an action-specific token ?
[20:42:47] 	also, editToken is not page specific - i think it should be
[20:42:47] 	One thing I haven't figured out how to do (I haven't a clue) is how to get citations to be listed at the bottom of a page after including them in the text. 
[20:43:24] 	facefaceface: are you already familiar with the Cite extension?
[20:43:44] 	Not all edit tokens everywhere are the same; extensions quite often salt tokens.
[20:43:58] 	In general, tokens should probably be salted, gives out that warm fuzzy feeling.
[20:44:01] 	http://rafb.net/p/CAWNAM36.html <- it creates the namespaces, but does not search them by default... why?
[20:44:15] 	The system I have in mind is template driven, so I type "blah blah bla {{cite:myKey}}" the {{cite:myKey}} is initially blank, but is somehow 'magic', and presents the user with a 'search pubmed' form when first visited.
[20:44:24] 	hm... what characters are legal in name sttributes of input field, etc?
[20:44:39] 	Duesentrieb_: Read the spec.
[20:44:47] 	jimbojw, not really, but I believe that you need to explicitly list the citation at the end after including it in the text?
[20:45:00] 	robchurch: bah :)
[20:46:30] 	once  {{cite:myKey}} has been created 'on demand' ;-), it will appear as a number in the text and automatically add itself to a listing with a fixed style  at the bottom of the page... (the data being provided from pubmed in a standard format).
[20:46:43] 	Actually I have absolutely no idea how to do that...
[20:47:15] 	hence my cry for robchurch ... and this enticement... http://bioinformatics.org/forums/forum.php?forum_id=5521
[20:47:24] 	Was someone working on a "favorites" extension yesterday?
[20:47:27] 	facefaceface: yes - there are two tags involved  and  - they are for specifying a reference and listing them (respectively).  Your Pubmed extension may have to parse through the content and inject the  and  tags - in fact, I wouldn't necessarily suggest you pull the entire pubmed article, the abstract and relevant data are probably sufficient (author,...
[20:47:29] 	...publication date, journal, etc)
[20:47:33] 	jimbojw, you are welcome to 'join my team' if you like.
[20:47:38] 	03(WONTFIX) Verifiable links to anchors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9106  +comment (10robchur)
[20:48:11] 	jimbojw, that is why I plan to make a page for each article :-)
[20:48:25] 	then I can suck the data out of the page, just like DPL does.
[20:48:27] 	Hello everybody
[20:48:32] 	Cybertinus, hi
[20:49:06] 	robchurch: it doesn't say... http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#control-name
[20:49:15] 	I don't want the user to manually have to generate the listings at the bottom. That is a waste of time. I want it to be magic like categories are.
[20:49:34] 	facefaceface: i think what you should do is foramalize your plans in an email to the wikitech mailing list - you're likely to garner a better response then in here (due to the medium)
[20:49:59] 	ooh ... wikitech! thanks jimbojw, talking to you has helped a lot.
[20:50:05] 	03(WONTFIX) Categories with limited scope - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9107  +comment (10robchur)
[20:50:30] 	jimbojw, facefaceface: no, not wikitech-l. mediawiki-l.
[20:50:39] 	wikitch-l is for wikimedia server stuff
[20:50:52] 	http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#adef-name-FORM => http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-cdata
[20:51:04] 	ID and NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens ("-"), underscores ("_"), colons (":"), and periods (".").
[20:52:14] 	Duesentrieb_: sorry about that - thought this fell under the technical realm (extension discussion)
[20:52:24] 	robchurch: thanks rob. sorry i couldn't find it 
[20:52:42] 	jimbojw: only if you plan to have it enabled on wikimedia
[20:52:46] 	jimbojw: It does, but wikitech-l is more for things with a definite interest for Wikimedia wikis.
[20:52:52] 	though the contents of the mailing lists is a bit mixed up
[20:53:20] 	It's no problem, really. If you use the wrong mailing list, we don't get angry. We just kill you and quietly move on.
[20:54:08] 	I have an wiki (doh :p). For some strange reason it uses the database Load Balancer, but it shouldn't use it, because $wgDBservers is set to false. In that Load Balancer it wants to write something to an logfile. That failes, because it want to use more then the max MB RAM that PHP is allowed to use, resulting in an fatal PHP error and thus that my wiki is offline. Another thing about that logfile: in LocalSettings haven't set that logfile, and in
[20:54:08] 	DefaultSettings it is set to ''. So it hasn't got an file it can read. The wiki is running for months like this now, but it chrashed on that logfile last week. Anyone any idea what is going on?
[20:54:38] *jimbojw 	is shivering in silence
[20:55:28] 	http://rafb.net/p/CAWNAM36.html <- it creates the namespaces, but does not search them by default... why?
[20:55:45] 	mediawiki-l ... isn't that endless discussions of people about people about people ...
[20:56:07] 	Sheesh, dude, use a for loop. ;)
[20:56:24] 	$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault might be ignored these days...
[20:56:28] 	facefaceface: not that I'm aware of - tends to be discussion of the software - a lot of admin questions
[20:56:37] 	while(1){bitch_on_mailinglist(about=nothing)}
[20:57:09] 	ok, I must have been thinking of that 'other' bitchy mailing list... actually I probably was.
[20:57:19] 	robchurch, well i'd like to use a for loop, but does it work?
[20:57:36] 	robchurch, it workes for another wiki ./
[20:57:37] 	aton`, you want mw to be turing complete?
[20:57:50] 	but what if my page isn't computable?
[20:58:23] 	(in finite time?)... perhaps if we write an algorithm to decide if the page is computable... in finite time...
[20:59:13] 	or we could just wait an infinite amount of time for it to finish - don't be impatient.
[20:59:14] 	facefaceface: come on now, any CS BS can tell you that that's impossible ... without quantum computers
[20:59:50] 	facefaceface, i want mw to search my namespaces by default
[21:00:21] 	er... aton` what are we talking about again
[21:00:22] 	?
[21:00:45] 	http://rafb.net/p/CAWNAM36.html
[21:00:49] 	it does make the namespaces
[21:00:53] 	but not search them by default
[21:00:54] 	jimbojw, does wp run on a quantum server?
[21:01:02] 	robchurch: i have a system message that needs to be parsed (in my own special way) on every page request. Can I somehow trick the MessageCache to keep the parsed structure, and automatically purge it when the message is changed?
[21:01:27] 	aton`, that sucks indeed... the whole concept of namespace specific searching is broken if you ask me... but nobody does... 
[21:01:34] 	robchurch: or more generally: can the message cache be hacked to handle different "variants" of the same message
[21:01:36] 	?
[21:01:58] 	aton`, but where does for loops come into it?
[21:02:21] 	oh wait... not in the mediawiki syntax, but in your config syntax
[21:02:43] 	oh... and... does $wgCapitalLinks apply to pages in the MediaWiki namespace?...
[21:03:09] 	aton`, never mind... just script your config
[21:04:09] 	night all, thanks for help jimbojw, get in touch if you get my email on mediawiki-l 
[21:04:13] 	anyone an idea for my load balancing problem?
[21:04:20] 	CS BS
[21:04:25] 	Computer Science Bull Shitter
[21:05:17] 	facefaceface: gn8
[21:13:20] 	i noticed that recent changes has an rss option
[21:13:28] 	can i enable rss for all pages/articles?
[21:14:00] 	feltipen: the page history also has rss
[21:14:13] 	you have to go to the history page to see it though...
[21:16:14] 	but i cant enable an rss feed for all articles?
[21:16:48] 	What would the feed show?
[21:17:34] 	perhaps TOC
[21:17:58] 	why is my wiki logging when it is not suppost to log? :/
[21:17:59] 	feltipen: hm? rss is for *events*. An rss feed for all articles *is* RC. 
[21:18:19] 	just so people can keep up with the wikis they contribute to
[21:18:27] 	Hi 
[21:18:27] 	from an external aggregator
[21:18:28] 	feltipen: look at the News extension - i used it to turn my wiki into a blog, with a blog-ish rss feed
[21:18:29] 	I m searching a plugin to have a better editor in the mediawiki. Someone can advice me? 
[21:19:07] 	feltipen: but again - the rc feed is for staying up to doate with the wiki. i don't really know what you want in the feed. full article text, for every change?
[21:19:26] 	Heh, there's a bloke who looks like a cross between Tim Starling and Tony Blair on this BBC news report.
[21:19:40] 	rokra: yea - stop looking. there are lots of half-working attempts, but nothing really good. it's very very hard, and probably currently impossible.
[21:20:30] 	rokra: if you feel like it, look at the WikEd script on wikipedia - it's all ajvascript, and a bit slow, but at least a nice try.
[21:20:51] 	im using the WikiEd
[21:20:55] *robchurch 	doesn't recommend http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Robchurch/Integrating_FCKeditor_with_1.9.3
[21:20:58] 	its not bad, though it only works on firefox
[21:21:06] 	03rotem * r24530 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Remove "allmessagesnotsupportedUI" message: not used since r6560.
[21:21:29] 	feltipen: it kind of sucks that the highliting isn't as-you-type, and copy&past can get really confusing.
[21:21:34] 	it's also quite sluggish.
[21:22:15] 	you dont think it's better than nothing? 
[21:22:22] 	Duesentrieb_: I am trying to install it but not without pain
[21:23:01] 	No pain, no MediaWiki.
[21:23:18] 	tru that rob
[21:23:29] 	It's built atop blood, sweat and tears, with a few corpses interspersed between the layers.
[21:23:52] 	robchurch: ;)
[21:24:10] 	I have to do an installation without internet connection
[21:25:41] 	03daniel * r24531 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/ (Gadgets.php README): normalize gadget names, allow spaces
[21:26:39] 	so what if i made an article that has a table (from an extension) that displays 'most popular pages', or another that displays 'recently posted'
[21:26:46] 	and i wanted that article to be rss
[21:27:43] 	feltipen: look at the news extension
[21:27:56] 	lookin
[21:28:06] 	it's quite powerful.
[21:28:24] 	I found out I'm running MediaWiki 1.6.7. That is a bit old :p. Can I upgrade tot 1.10.1 in 1 go, or should I upgrade 1.6.7 to 1.7x, then to 1.8.x, then to 1.9.x and then 1.0.1?
[21:30:18] 	thx
[21:30:33] 	ok Wiked seems to works , Last step download 100 pic manually :'(
[21:30:37] 	is it me, or should Database::update() have a return statement to make error checking possible?
[21:31:12] 	Cybertinus: should work in one go. note that you need php5. remember to make a complete backup (database, files, and an xml dump for good measure)
[21:31:42] 	Tango42: doesn't it throw an exception on error?
[21:32:37] 	Duesentrieb_: I have PHP 5.2.3 on my production server, so that is not a problem :). And I'm going to create backups now :). I'm creating an SQL backup of my database, and not an XML file. SQL backup should be enough (and a lot easier to make, because I know how to create an SQL dump and not how to create an XML dump :p)
[21:32:45] 	Duesentrieb_: thnx for your help :)
[21:32:47] 	Duesentrieb_: Doesn't look like it - it calls query(), which returns false if there is an error (which is standard for php's sql functions), but doesn't return the result of the query
[21:33:08] 	Tango42: sucks, then :)
[21:33:39] 	Duesentrieb_: insert() is very similar, and that returns the result, as one would expect.
[21:33:40] 	Cybertinus: php maintenacne/dumpBackup.php --all | gzip -c > backup.xml.gz
[21:34:27] 	Duesentrieb_: ah, now is an XML backup easier :p
[21:34:28] 	Cybertinus: mysqldump has the nasty tendency to mess up the charset. xml is safe wrt that, and it's also good for long term storage, since it can be imported in any version of mediawiki (well, since 1.5 anyway)
[21:34:39] 	wow i just got a phone call from a handicapped telemarketer
[21:34:43] 	that was disturbing
[21:34:47] 	heheh
[21:35:09] 	Duesentrieb_: ok, thnx :)
[21:35:12] 	Cybertinus: the xml backup only contains page content. it doesn't contain user accounts, or logs, etc. so you still want an sql dump. the xml is just, you know, for good measure.
[21:35:25] 	ok
[21:35:58] 	how can i make it so that a predefined namespace is searched by default, for example "help" ?
[21:36:23] 	i.e. how do i find out the number of that variable
[21:36:29] 	aton`: $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault
[21:36:35] 	Duesentrieb_, but what number?
[21:36:41] 	number?
[21:36:45] 	use the constant
[21:36:46] 	[x]
[21:36:47] 	NS_HELP
[21:36:52] 	aah
[21:36:54] 	nice thanks
[21:37:14] 	it's 12, if you gotta know.
[21:37:17] 	Database errors throw exceptions.
[21:38:01] 	03(NEW) Database::update() should return the result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10769 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (thomas.dalton)
[21:41:00] 	03(mod) Database::update() should return the result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10769  (10robchur)
[21:41:23] 	Hey all, I just moved my wiki from one server to another. I changed the db credentials, script path, and all other necessary details, and it seems to work fine with the exception of one thing: All pages show a "There is currently no text in this page..." error, even though the text of each page is there.
[21:41:45] 	"is there"? where?
[21:43:06] 	Duesentrieb_, huh?
[21:43:11] 	03robchurch * r24532 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Database.php): (bug 10769) Database::update() should return boolean result
[21:43:29] 	p0rk: you mean it shows the page content *and* the error message?
[21:43:38] 	No, no, just the error message, sorry.
[21:43:47] 	so why so you say the text is there?
[21:43:56] 	Well, the database imported fine.
[21:44:01] 	03(FIXED) Database::update() should return the result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10769  +comment (10robchur)
[21:44:03] 	hwo do you know?
[21:44:19] 	When I uploaded it to the server, I did an md5sum of each copy.
[21:44:24] 	It came out identical.
[21:44:24] 	p0rk: Is this a public wiki?
[21:44:33] 	robchurch, yes: http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[21:44:38] 	I have it locked at the moment.
[21:45:09] 	That's not much use if I want to view the page source.
[21:45:29] 	p0rk: well, that just telly you the copy went ok. not if the import went ok.
[21:45:49] 	robchurch: I'll unlock it.
[21:46:07] 	Raw output of Main_Page (action=raw) was blank.
[21:46:39] 	history exists, but diffs don't work
[21:46:40] 	"The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "Main Page,oldid=111898"."
[21:46:45] 	Check your text records are there.
[21:46:48] 	seems the the text table was lost or is corrupt
[21:47:20] 	p0rk: this is why i always recommend to have an xml dump handy :)
[21:47:24] 	Hmm.
[21:47:38] 	Text table can't be lost.
[21:47:43] 	I'm looking at it right now.
[21:47:50] 	XML dumps are useless for moving or backing up entire wikis.
[21:48:06] 	p0rk: check that the chain of references from page -> revision -> text is ok.
[21:48:14] 	At best all you're doing is maybe guaranteeing your content is safe if all else fails. You can't guarantee that's ok without actually testing the dump imports without errors.
[21:48:40] 	" guaranteeing your content is safe if all else fails" is exactly the point, yes
[21:48:46] 	Hi
[21:49:00] 	Well, if you make a decent database dump and verify it, then the XML dump is just additional cruft.
[21:49:04] 	How can I set the initial numbering in an article, other than 1
[21:49:04] 	that's what backups are for, no?
[21:49:15] 	omgs: you can't.
[21:49:33] 	But the XML dump is an inferior backup to the database dump; an XML dump is not intended to be used as a standalone backup.
[21:49:58] 	Duesentrieb_: are there any plans so that is possible in a near future?
[21:49:59] 	i'm not recommending it as a standalong backup. it lacks user info, which would suck to be lost
[21:50:09] 	omgs: i don't think so.
[21:50:24] 	Didn't anybody request this before?
[21:50:36] 	omgs: are you talking about heading numbers, or numbered lists?
[21:51:04] 	For =text=
[21:51:23] 	headings, then.
[21:51:34] 	that *might* be doable, but then, who wants to mess with the parser?
[21:51:40] 	it's big and ugly and ready to implode.
[21:52:02] *GBenemy 	needs help, if anyone is in here
[21:52:03] 	Wait...
[21:52:04] 	omgs: keep in mind that automatic numbering of headings is a per.user option
[21:52:11] 	the numbers might not even be there for anotehr user
[21:52:19] 	So, Duesentrieb_, you're saying that my backup was incomplete?
[21:52:47] 	p0rk and/or Duesentieb? would either of you be able to offer me assistance?
[21:52:49] 	GBenemy: What does the topic say?
[21:53:00] 	p0rk: i don't know if it was. a full sql dump *should* be sufficient. but things can go wrong. an xml dump is good as a failsafe.
[21:53:10] 	oops sorry robchurch
[21:53:12] 	Hmm.
[21:53:15] 	GBenemy: only if you ask a concrete question. "never ask to ask".
[21:53:23] 	but i didn't want to be rude and just ask
[21:53:23] 	Well, thanks Duesentrieb_.
[21:53:28] 	but ok
[21:53:46] 	I would recommend going back and ensuring you have a full database dump, and if not, work out why on earth that didn't happen.
[21:54:11] 	You cannot take an XML dump and half a database dump and get a consistent database easily.
[21:55:32] 	GBenemy: naw... saying "yes, you may ask your question now" 50 times a day is annoying. "please" and "thanks" is polite, "is anyone there" or "can someone help" is just pointless. such is the way of irc. but go ahead :)
[21:55:52] 	I have uploaded the latest wikimedia to my site, and created the required databases, however when i run the /config/index.php page, it says "PHP 5.0.0 or higher is required. ABORTING." I have checked the documentation on my server, and it says that I have php5, I also emailed the customer support center for my server and their response was:
[21:55:53] 	 "you may need to create a htaccess file to assist you with the functions needed to run your script. Also, please make sure you are correctly referencing .php5 with your files."
[21:55:55] 	I don't know anything about .htaccess or how that will help me, and I don't know what they mean when they say to reference .php5 files 
[21:55:57] 	ok
[21:56:26] 	What they mean is that they've set things up so that you have to use a .php5 file extension to use PHP 5.
[21:56:32] 	.htaccess defines per directory server settings. look at the apache documentation
[21:56:37] 	in particular look for addtype
[21:56:42] 	Although they hint that you may be able to override the handler using a .htaccess file.
[21:56:56] 	I did look at the apache documentation I couldn't make heads or tails of it
[21:56:58] 	:S
[21:57:05] 	is there statistics plugin for mediawiki?
[21:57:05] 	robchurch: wasn't there some instructions for the .php5 thing?
[21:57:07] 	Try following the steps on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Robchurch/Getting_PHP_5_on_a_cheap_host.
[21:57:17] 	they directed me here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/htaccess.html
[21:57:23] 	Note that as of 1.11.0, MediaWiki will "just work" with .php5
[21:57:34] 	rokra: basic stats are built in. ther eare probably several extensions doing several kinds of stats.
[21:57:38] 	but it didn't say anything about php
[21:57:54] 	so I have to go through every .php file in my mediawiki and rename it to .php5?
[21:58:00] 	GBenemy: No.
[21:58:03] 	and what do you mean "just work"?
[21:58:06] 	GBenemy: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=htaccess%20addtype%20php5&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=
[21:58:22] 	Anyone know how to do a case-insensitive search on the old_text field in the text table?  It's type mediumblob
[21:58:44] 	Duesentrieb_: it's all in german :S
[21:58:51] 	I mean that you'll be able to access config/index.php5 and install MediaWiki, and everything will be seamlessly configured to run.
[21:59:00] 	GBenemy: http://www.google.de/search?hl=en&q=htaccess%20addtype%20php5&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=
[21:59:05] 	However, follow the advice on the page I linked, first.
[21:59:12] 	ok
[21:59:16] 	thanks for everyone's help
[21:59:24] 	I'll let you know if i get it working or not
[21:59:41] 	TimLaqua: You don't, if you want to write portable code. text.old_text doesn't necessarily contain article text.
[22:00:09] 	hmm... ok, so any ideas on how to search through all revisions for a particular text string (conceptually)
[22:00:44] 	That's the problem the people who keep doing "blame maps" and annotations and stuff are hoping to solve.
[22:00:59] 	Another question:
[22:01:17] 	What's the problem with utf-8, so mw refuses to install?
[22:01:37] 	What "problem with UTF-8" ?
[22:01:54] 	that's what he wants to know :P
[22:02:07] 	robchurch, so that's a "not sure" answer?
[22:02:12] 	In fact, the problem is with mbstring.func_overload
[22:02:47] *Duesentrieb_ 	hates it when xchat decides to give everyone the same color
[22:02:48] 	TimLaqua: There are various approaches, most of which revolve around building fancy historical indexes tracking every poor innocent bit of libel ever written in a page.
[22:02:59] 	which is crazy
[22:03:03] 	you are all cyan :(
[22:03:37] 	Well, the fancy indexes make doing nifty things possible, but...they're fancy. ;)
[22:03:52] 	robchurch, I figure, the text is in there.  So I should be able to go get it.  inside the current architecture.  and agreed, fancy stuff is cool.
[22:03:53] 	TimLaqua: it can be done, sure. but there's currently no *efficient* way.
[22:04:09] 	How do I know what to put as "Database host:"?
[22:04:11] 	"can be done" - i.e. you've got a crazy idea right now?
[22:04:18] 	all my crazy ideas failed
[22:04:45] 	GBenemy: It will usually be "localhost" for a cheaper provider, but they may have documented a different database server to use.
[22:04:52] 	TimLaqua: on a "normal" installation, the text is going to be in old_text. but what is in there *might* be just a reference. or compressed. or a serialized obecjt used for accessing the actual text. etc
[22:05:25] 	TimLaqua: to get it right, use mediawiki code. get the article object, from that get revision objects, from those load text, then search that text.
[22:05:33] 	that's the Right Way.
[22:05:42] 	slow. but portable and future-proof.
[22:05:44] 	Duesentrieb_, omg
[22:05:48] 	Revision text can be stored in any format, anywhere, fragmented across any plane of existence we want. Hell, external storage means that, conceptually, we can store bulk page text in ways that haven't even been invented yet.
[22:06:17] 	well, lets scope down.
[22:06:28] 	Most problematic issue for me:
[22:06:33] 	and say "normal" 80% of wiki installations kind of solution
[22:06:39] 	I'm testing mw for a very particular purpose
[22:06:59] 	omgs: If you are receiving an error message, please inform us what error message you are receiving.
[22:07:05] 	TimLaqua: for that, simply search old_text. for collation issues, ask in #mysql.
[22:07:16] 	I'm testing it in ubuntu feisty, and I have to export the current contents to a xp machine
[22:07:29] 	diferral?!  pfft.
[22:07:31] 	What apart a mysqldump should I take care for?
[22:07:36] 	;-)  I'll go check w/ those guys.
[22:08:00] 	omgs: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[22:08:26] 	omgs: images, if you have them. extensions, if any. config file... maybe. perhaps better create one on the target box. make sure the db name is the same, etc.
[22:08:38] 	or... use an XML dump to transfer page content to a fresh wiki
[22:08:58] 	Duesentrieb_: yes, I already figured out about that
[22:09:12] 	There are no files, just some pasted and edited contents
[22:11:04] 	if my normale wiki database user has the rights to run SELECT, UPDATE, INSERT and DELETE querys, then my wiki should be working, isn't it?
[22:11:36] 	gah
[22:11:51] 	*** DO NOT USE AN XML DUMP TO GENERATE A FULL BACKUP OF A WIKI FOR THE PURPOSES OF MOVING IT, AS-IS ***
[22:12:03] 	Cybertinus: Once set up, yes.
[22:12:13] 	ok
[22:12:20] 	then I'll create that user
[22:12:35] 	s/FULL//
[22:14:43] 	03(NEW) Rename Quicksearch plugin to "Mediazilla" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10770 15enhancement; lowest; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (owl)
[22:14:46] 	the #mysql guys aren't any more helpful w/ the mediumblob voodoo
[22:14:48] 	;-)
[22:15:25] 	Hi, I can command line render using texvc, but, textvc seems to have a problem calling latex. I end up with Failed to parse (PNG conversion failed
[22:15:46] 	I'm out of ideas :(
[22:16:24] 	03(mod) Rename Quicksearch plugin to "Mediazilla" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10770  (10robchur)
[22:17:47] 	Hmm--the archive table is used for what, exactly?
[22:19:15] 	p0rk: deleted pages
[22:19:20] 	does this look right to you guys?
[22:19:30] 	http://abstractdesigns.info/wiki/
[22:20:02] 	Duesentrieb_: You were right. I just checked it, the ar_text field is empty for all pages.
[22:20:15] 	Man, the guy I'm doing this for won't be happy.
[22:21:01] 	what're you trying to do?
[22:21:14] 	GBenemy: your css isn't being loaded, it seems
[22:21:40] 	GBenemy: this looks broken: /wiki/index.php5/skins/common/commonPrint.css?63
[22:21:55] 	fix your $wgScriptPath and/or $wgArticlePath
[22:22:02] 	where?
[22:22:06] 	what do you mean
[22:22:07] 	in localsettings.php
[22:22:07] 	:S
[22:22:27] 	/wiki/index.php5/skins/common/commonPrint.css <--- the path is not correct. it should be wiki/skins
[22:23:43] 	GBenemy: set $wgScriptPath = "/wiki";
[22:24:13] 	there we go
[22:24:44] 	yeah But that page told me to change it from "/wiki"; to "{$wgscriptpath}/index.php5"; or something
[22:24:46] 	http://abstractdesigns.info/wiki/index.php5/?title=Main_Page
[22:24:48] 	yay
[22:24:53] 	no.
[22:24:56] 	not wgScriptPath
[22:24:59] 	wgScript
[22:25:05] 	except why is doing that: wiki/index.php5/?title=Main_Page
[22:25:12] 	add the 5 into $wgScript           = "$wgScriptPath/index.php";
[22:25:29] 	i just changed it back to /wiki
[22:25:32] 	and now it's working
[22:25:34] 	http://abstractdesigns.info/wiki/index.php5/?title=Main_Page
[22:25:37] 	GBenemy: it's doing that because you confused SCript and SCriptPath
[22:25:47] 	I may have typed it wrong here
[22:25:55] 	but i copied and pasted what it said on the tut
[22:26:07] 	then the tut is wrong.
[22:26:26] 	where is it?
[22:27:10] 	ttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Robchurch/Getting_PHP_5_on_a_cheap_host.
[22:27:14] 	uh-oh
[22:27:18] 	my main page is correct
[22:27:25] 	but everytime I click a link
[22:27:31] 	it gives me a 404
[22:27:50] 	change your $wgScriptPath
[22:27:58] 	to throw in the .php5
[22:27:58] 	to what?
[22:28:03] 	same, just add the 5
[22:28:08] 	you just told me change it back to /wiki
[22:28:15] 	leave everything the same
[22:28:22] 	just add the 5 in there
[22:28:31] 	look at wgScriptPath
[22:28:38] 	you see it says index.php in the middle?
[22:28:39] 	TimLaqua: wgScriptPath is a directory.
[22:28:40] 	"$wgScriptPath       = "/wiki";"
[22:28:45] 	it MUST NOT contain index.php
[22:28:47] 	oop
[22:28:50] 	lol
[22:29:02] 	what's the one that has the index.php in it?
[22:29:08] 	 wgScript
[22:29:16] 	that'S where the 5 goes.
[22:29:31] 	03(mod) Rename Quicksearch plugin to "Mediazilla" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10770  (10owl)
[22:29:35] 	yes... it would make perfect sense that the *Path global has a path in it... diabolical...
[22:30:06] 	so $wgScript needs that 5 thrown in there (ignore my earlier rambling)
[22:30:08] 	there is no $wgscript
[22:30:08] 	GBenemy: now you need to fix your wgArticlePath: $wgArticlePath      = "$wgScript/$1";
[22:30:22] 	NOT  $wgArticlePath      = "$wgScriptPath/$1", which it seems to be now.
[22:30:32] 	OR wgArticlePath
[22:30:44] 	GBenemy: create it, then.
[22:30:50] 	where?
[22:30:54] 	the defaults don't work for you. so change them.
[22:30:57] 	in localsettings
[22:31:05] 	all config goes into localsettings
[22:31:06] 	no but where in local settings?
[22:31:08] 	do not edit other php files
[22:31:19] 	below wgScriptPath
[22:31:24] 	$wgScript           = "$wgScriptPath/index.php";
[22:31:32] 	$wgRedirectScript   = "$wgScriptPath/redirect.php";
[22:31:38] 	$wgArticlePath      = "$wgScript/$1";
[22:31:41] 	* php5
[22:31:46] 	nacht
[22:31:47] 	yea, php5, sorry.
[22:32:02] 	remember to rename redirect.php btw
[22:32:19] 	so do you just have to rename index.php5 and redirect/php5?
[22:32:20] 	GBenemy: the tutorial has it right, btw.
[22:32:20] 	"$wgScriptPath       = "/wiki";
[22:32:22] 	$wgScript       = "/wiki/index.php5";
[22:32:23] 	$wgArticlePath       = "$wgScript/$1";
[22:32:25] 	"
[22:32:32] 	i didn't say the tutorial was wrong
[22:32:34] 	yes.
[22:33:52] 	the things I just added made it worse
[22:33:54] 	Redirect loop detected!
[22:33:55] 	This means the wiki got confused about what page was requested; this sometimes happens when moving a wiki to a new server or changing the server configuration.
[22:33:57] 	Your web server was detected as possibly not supporting URL path components (PATH_INFO) correctly; check your LocalSettings.php for a customized $wgArticlePath setting and/or toggle $wgUsePathInfo to true.
[22:34:01] 	cool
[22:34:08] 	atleast my home page was displaying correctly before
[22:34:20] 	no it wasn't
[22:34:45] 	GBenemy: set $wgArticlePath= "$wgScript?title=$1";
[22:34:46] 	I'll take out the $wgRedirectScript
[22:34:55] 	that'S the "ugly" but failsafe url mode
[22:35:09] 	resulting in http://abstractdesigns.info/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page
[22:35:58] 	Yup
[22:36:01] 	wait no
[22:36:22] 	wait yes
[22:36:24] 	sorry
[22:36:28] 	and the links work nwo
[22:36:30] 	yay
[22:36:45] 	is there anyway to get rid of the index.php5?title=
[22:36:53] 	so it's just wiki/Main_page
[22:36:54] 	??
[22:36:56] 	GBenemy: look for "short url" in the faq
[22:36:58] 	I can generate latex dvipng etc from the command line, but over mediawiki it gets stuck after generating the tex file
[22:37:11] 	GBenemy: or read about url rewriting in the apache manual
[22:38:39] 	GBenemy: do *not* try to use wiki/Main_page if you have the actual wiki installation in the wiki folder. for pretty urls, the "virtual" path MUST be different from the "real" path. for example, wikipedia uses the "real" path (files) /w, and the "virtual" path /wiki
[22:39:03] 	trying to map wiki pages into the directory where your installation files live will get you into a complete mess.
[22:39:39] 	:S
[22:39:49] 	I don't have a path /w
[22:41:33] 	OH NO
[22:41:36] 	it fucked up
[22:41:55] 	it redirected index.php5?title=Main_page to /Main_page
[22:41:58] 	and gave me a 404
[22:42:00] 	:(
[22:42:19] 	GBenemy: that'S why you need $wgRedirectScript   = "$wgScriptPath/redirect.php5";
[22:42:24] 	at least i think so.
[22:42:40] 	$wgArticlePath= "/wiki/$1";
[22:42:43] 	err. *what* redirected?
[22:42:44] 	that's what I changed
[22:42:53] 	well, you shouldn't.
[22:42:58] 	cos its what it said to do in the Short URL tut
[22:43:21] 	not unless you a) do NOT have the actuall installation /wiki, and b) have got your rewrite rules set up
[22:44:02] 	:S
[22:44:10] 	don't just copy some line from some tutorial. they tend to depend context, on actual names on your system, and on each other.
[22:44:46] 	yes I read it
[22:45:02] 	well I don't have a directory called /w
[22:45:04] 	only /wiki
[22:45:11] 	rename wiki to w then.
[22:45:18] 	change SCriptPath accordingly.
[22:45:24] 	set up rewrite rules.
[22:45:27] 	ok
[22:45:34] 	change wgArticlePath once rewrite is working
[22:46:36] 	03yurik * r24533 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiQueryBase.php ApiQueryInfo.php): API: Added various edit tokens to prop=info (except rollback - will be added to revisions)
[22:50:30] 	ok
[22:50:43] 	the .htaccess file
[22:50:49] 	has put /w into /wiki
[22:50:53] 	so now when I go to
[22:51:04] 	..../w/
[22:51:12] 	it redirects to /wiki/Main_page
[22:51:14] 	BUT
[22:51:18] 	it still gives me a 404
[22:51:38] 	this is my localsettings:
[22:51:40] 	$wgScriptPath       = "/w";
[22:51:41] 	$wgScript  = "/w/index.php5";
[22:51:43] 	$wgRedirectScript  = "$wgScriptPath/redirect.php5";
[22:51:44] 	$wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";
[22:52:16] 	$wgRedirectScript  = "$wgScriptPath/redirect.php5";
[22:52:18] 	I think it should be .php because i didn't rename that one
[22:52:41] 	hang on, I'll try renaming it
[22:53:07] 	nope
[22:53:14] 	http://abstractdesigns.info/w
[22:56:32] 	it should be working :|
[22:57:28] 	guys?
[22:57:55] 	guy
[22:58:06] 	where did everyone go?
[22:58:12] 	what's up?
[22:58:20] 	I think lot of people are sleeping
[22:58:52] 	My Short URL thing isn't working
[22:58:55] 	oh my, you're making pretty urls
[22:59:09] 	\aa/
[22:59:14] 	:S
[22:59:37] 	my wiki is located here: http://abstractdesigns.info/w/index.php5?title=Main_page
[22:59:56] 	but if you go just to http://abstractdesigns.info/w
[23:00:10] 	it should redirect you to http://abstractdesigns.info/wiki/Main_page
[23:00:13] 	paste your .htaccess file in to pastey.net
[23:00:18] 	which is what I want
[23:00:23] 	what's pastey.net?
[23:00:33] 	http://mediawiki.pastey.net
[23:00:40] 	don't paste in to the channel
[23:00:52] 	paste a link to the text you paste in to pastey.net
[23:00:52] 	why not?
[23:01:32] 	why can't i just paste my .htaccess here? it's one line...
[23:01:39] 	ok
[23:01:43] 	"Alias wiki w/index.php5"
[23:01:47] 	without the "
[23:03:01] 	is your wiki busted?
[23:03:06] 	I get 500 errors
[23:03:35] 	yeah same
[23:03:37] 	just now
[23:03:43] 	it's never done that until now
[23:03:45] 	:S
[23:03:58] 	maybe I screwed something up in my LocalSettings
[23:04:00] 	:S
[23:04:03] 	oh this is a nightmare
[23:04:50] 	I don't know what I did
[23:04:56] 	it was working perfectly a moment ago
[23:05:06] 	so where's your wiki located?  exactly?
[23:05:32] 	http://abstractdesigns.info/w/index.php5?title=Main_page
[23:05:41] 	except it's giving me 500 Error
[23:05:44] 	and it wasn't before
[23:05:46] 	:S
[23:05:52] 	what'd you change?
[23:06:15] 	remove that Alias from your .htaccess
[23:06:18] 	see if that fixes it
[23:07:26] 	k, it's working now
[23:07:28] 	Hi, I'm trying to understand how to achieve something with templates. I want to create a bunch of pages that all have similar structure - the same set of headings, etc - but the actual content under each heading is different. Regular template parameters seem too restrictive - no formatting? - so I'm wondering how to approach this.
[23:08:15] 	there
[23:08:30] 	ok, so I followed the Short URL instructions EXACTLY
[23:08:34] 	and it didn't work
[23:08:37] 	1 sec
[23:08:55] 	Superpig, try the #Switch function
[23:09:07] 	thanks. *looks it up*
[23:09:10] 	ok, so now there's nothing in your .htaccess, right?
[23:09:14] 	nope
[23:09:41] 	Superpig, or just create the generic template, and change the content on the specific page
[23:10:29] 	ok, GB
[23:10:50] 	what's your wgArticlePath, wgScript, and wgScriptPath?
[23:11:06] 	GBenemy: I'm not sure how that content is changed, though, unless you're proposing I use the {{subst:}} form of inclusion?
[23:11:34] 	no
[23:11:49] 	gb, I gotta go
[23:11:50] 	Superpig: create the template with just the stuff that ISN'T going to change
[23:11:54] 	wait wait
[23:11:56] 	please
[23:12:05] 	$wgScriptPath       = "/w";
[23:12:07] 	$wgScript  = "/w/index.php5";
[23:12:08] 	$wgRedirectScript  = "$wgScriptPath/redirect.php";
[23:12:10] 	$wgArticlePath = "$wgScriptPath?title=$1";
[23:12:36] 	and then on each of the pages themselves have the diff content
[23:12:39] 	not in a template
[23:12:50] 	change $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1"
[23:13:30] 	GBenemy: I want to have my page-specific content rendered at places throughout the template, though. The template just contains section headings; all the content for each section is page-specific.
[23:13:53] 	nope
[23:14:05] 	TimLaqua, that just redirects to a 404
[23:14:05] 	?
[23:14:08] 	yeah
[23:14:12] 	there's more to it
[23:14:25] 	Duesentrieb_: about my previous question about changing the initial numbering, I think it could be changed with some html knowledge (which right now I don't have, but could investigate)
[23:14:56] 	Setting  increases the numbering
[23:15:26] 	Now add this to your .htaccess
[23:15:32] 	Superpig, then use the switch function, or use {{{content|1=xxxxx|2=xxxxxxx|3=xxxxxxx|etc}}}
[23:15:48] 	Alias wiki w/index.php5
[23:15:50] 	Superpig: then change content=1,2 or 3 depending on which page your on
[23:16:06] 	that's what I had before we started this whole thing
[23:16:16] 	and which directory am I putting the .htaccess?
[23:16:21] 	root
[23:17:03] 	yay server error
[23:17:21] 	Alias is not allowes in .htaccess, iirc. it's for httpd.conf only.
[23:17:51] 	sweet
[23:17:59] 	use the rewrite method instead.
[23:18:01] 	then use the mod_rewrite
[23:18:21] 	LoadModule rewrite_module modules/mod_rewrite.so?
[23:19:00] 	RewriteEngine On
[23:19:02] 	RewriteBase /~username
[23:19:04] 	RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
[23:19:05] 	RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
[23:19:06] 	RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*) w/index.php?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA]
[23:19:08] 	RewriteRule ^wiki/*$ wiki/ [L,QSA]
[23:19:09] 	RewriteRule ^/*$ wiki/ [L,QSA]
[23:19:11] 	that?
[23:19:12] 	yikes
[23:19:31] 	is that your rewrite base?
[23:19:43] 	well I'm asking, is that what I put in?
[23:19:55] 	RewriteBase /
[23:20:08] 	RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*) w/index.php5?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA]
[23:20:13] 	fix those two lines
[23:20:16] 	that's all I need?
[23:20:27] 	ok
[23:20:34] 	do I need JUST those two lines?
[23:20:34] 	no, you need all of it, just replace the RewriteBase line and the other line
[23:20:39] 	ok
[23:21:09] 	YAY
[23:21:20] 	http://abstractdesigns.info/wiki/Main_Page
[23:22:13] 	nifty
[23:22:19] 	thank you so much everyone!
[23:22:30] 	you've been a great help these last few hours
[23:22:53] 	now, back to case insensitive searches on mediumblob data fields in mysql...
[23:23:25] 	no love?  ;-)
[23:23:28] *GBenemy 	sets off to make a logo
[23:31:58] 	Duesentrieb_: what do you think of the numbering provided in http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#counters ?
[23:32:12] 	Just taking that IE sucks...
[23:36:29] 	hm. the wiki I'm working with appears to be 1.5.8 still, which doesn't appear to support {{{param|default}}} syntax. Anyone know any workarounds? (Other than 'Upgrade to 1.6 or later')
[23:47:11] 	hi
[23:50:53] 	gn