[00:00:27] <CIA-13>	03rotem * r24547 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FileRepoStatus.php: I guess it should actually return the result (anyway, there is a fatal PHP error when the folder was not writable without this fix, rather than a valid error shown to the user like now).
[00:07:57] <sputnick>	get the last version of MW instead modify anything.
[00:08:16] <sputnick>	$wgLogo be there by default
[00:48:06] <CIA-13>	03rotem * r24548 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUpload.php): Fix RTL display of the upload form.
[00:52:52] <theremi1>	pathos!
[00:53:21] <Pathoschild>	Hello. :)
[00:55:31] <sputnick>	inside main.css, what is the name of titles ? I would like to change the color only for  thoses...
[00:55:35] <Shanel>	That guy!
[00:55:41] <sputnick>	(titles in main page)
[00:56:27] <Pathoschild>	sputnick: I strongly recommend editing the wiki page "MediaWiki:Common.css", not the file "styles/main.css". That way, your changes won't be erased when you update MediaWiki.
[00:56:58] <Pathoschild>	That said, you want to change the colour of the page title at the top of the wiki page "Main Page"?
[00:58:03] <sputnick>	Pathoschild:  not the top, but all the titles. like : ===Apache===
[00:58:34] <Pathoschild>	sputnick: Use this code:
[00:58:49] <Pathoschild>	h1, h2, h3, h4, h5 { color: something; }
[00:59:04] <Pathoschild>	You might need to use "color: something !important;"
[01:00:23] <sputnick>	thanks.
[01:00:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  +comment (10tcrow777)
[01:00:50] <borgx>	hi there. why is move only protection is now disabled?
[01:01:20] <sputnick>	if I write a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=MediaWiki:Common.css page, I put content of main.css in this page & the "job" is done Pathoschild ?
[01:01:51] <sputnick>	a *MediaWiki:Common.css*
[01:02:53] <Pathoschild>	sputnick: No, just write new things there; for example, you'd add "h1, h2, h3, h4, h5 { color: something; }", and it would automatically add that to h1-h5 in the CSS file.
[01:03:15] <Pathoschild>	That's called cascading, which is where CSS got the name "Cascading Style Sheets". :)
[01:04:34] <sputnick>	!
[01:04:37] <sputnick>	nice
[01:04:41] <sputnick>	:)
[01:04:41] <Pathoschild>	:D
[01:04:42] <Julian|Work>	I thought cascading referred to the inheritance
[01:04:54] <Pathoschild>	Julian|Work: Yep, same principle.
[01:06:04] <Shanel>	Pathoschild is a helpful boy, although rather lazy.
[01:06:14] <Pathoschild>	:p
[01:06:16] <sputnick>	I imagin, this configuration is dumped by mysql :)
[01:07:34] <Pathoschild>	sputnick: "MediaWiki:Common.css" is used directly; if you look in the source code, you'll see something like this: "@import "/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=2678400";"
[01:08:35] <Emufarmers>	Where is the javascript for the editing toolbar wigit above the edit box defined by default?  I'm working on a wiki project, and it appears to be missing.
[01:08:37] <sputnick>	nice features :)
[01:11:29] <Pathoschild>	Emufarmers: The code is defined in the wiki page "MediaWiki:Edittools", and the character insertion JavaScript is in wikibits.js. You need to add the tools yourself; try copying code from < http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools >, for example.
[01:11:55] <Pathoschild>	wikibits = /skins-1.5/common/wikibits.js
[01:12:18] <Emufarmers>	I know Wikipedia has a whole bunch of added buttons, but don't a few basic ones (bold, italicize, etc.) come default?
[01:13:14] <Pathoschild>	Those should appear by default; are they enabled in your Special:Preferences?
[01:13:47] <Emufarmers>	"Show edit toolbar (JavaScript)" ?
[01:17:15] <Pathoschild>	Yep.
[01:17:42] *Pathoschild 	will be right back.
[01:21:14] <sputnick>	with my css, I have the button [modify] at the left of items like this : http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mediawikiblackdq4.png   what can I edit to replace at original monobook place ? 
[01:21:33] <borgx>	plz.. why move only protection option is now disabled? 
[01:21:55] <sputnick>	( sorry, many questions )       :)
[01:35:15] <sputnick>	last one, simple Ithink : how make my css as default for everybody ?
[01:36:22] <Emufarmers>	Put it in /MediaWiki:Common.css
[01:40:27] *Pathoschild 	pokes Nikerabbit.
[01:47:39] <Emufarmers>	Pathoschild?
[01:47:57] <Pathoschild>	Yep?
[01:48:37] <Emufarmers>	Rawr: So I'm looking at the source for this edit page, and it has all the addButton stuff and all, but the images aren't appearing
[01:48:50] <Emufarmers>	And from the server logs, it doesn't seem like the browser is even fetching them
[01:50:09] <Pathoschild>	Link?
[01:52:09] <sputnick>	when I open "modify" that's extract index.php but don't open modification page :/
[01:53:41] <sputnick>	no that's ok, only a "preference" :)
[01:56:06] <Pathoschild>	Emufarmers: Hmm... I get this error: "Error: addButton is not defined".
[01:56:23] <Emufarmers>	Where is the error?
[01:56:34] <_sj|>	any interwiki bot runners here/
[01:57:23] <Pathoschild>	The function is called in a <style> tag on the edit page; I see the error in my JavaScript console.
[01:57:49] <Emufarmers>	Hmm
[01:57:56] <Emufarmers>	So where is addButton supposed to be defined?
[02:00:55] <Pathoschild>	That's odd.
[02:01:30] <Pathoschild>	It's defined in wikibits.js. Now, compare your wikibits.js < http://pages.e-democracy.org/skins/common/wikibits.js > to the standard wikibits.js < http://en.wikisource.org/skins/common/wikibits.js >.
[02:02:34] <Pathoschild>	Maybe try replacing your wikibits.js with the standard file?
[02:02:38] <Emufarmers>	;o
[02:02:40] <Emufarmers>	Alright
[02:02:56] <Emufarmers>	The owner must have done some funky modifications or something
[02:03:05] <Pathoschild>	Funky indeed.
[02:03:32] <Emufarmers>	Wait, are you sure the wikibits on Wikisource is the default?
[02:03:54] <Pathoschild>	No, but similar. Get it from the latest MediaWiki source code.
[02:04:01] <Emufarmers>	Right
[02:05:20] <Emufarmers>	Oh, wait, I remember now:
[02:05:28] <Emufarmers>	He said he compressed the JavaScript
[02:05:56] <Pathoschild>	Ew.
[02:06:03] <Emufarmers>	Yeah ;o
[02:06:07] <Pathoschild>	Well, maybe he made a mistake when he did.
[02:06:45] <Emufarmers>	Maybe: I'll mention it in my email to him
[02:07:16] <Emufarmers>	Does JavaScript compression even speed things up at all?
[02:07:33] *Pathoschild 	shrugs.
[02:07:51] <Emufarmers>	Probably negligable compared to PHP caching :p
[02:07:52] <Pathoschild>	It's cached anyway, so I don't think it makes much difference either way.
[02:10:39] <CIA-13>	03yaron * r24549 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateTemplate.php: Beginning steps for new layout
[02:12:37] <CIA-13>	03yaron * r24550 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_AddPage.php: Jeffrey Stuckman's addition for specifying namespace for target page
[02:14:52] <CIA-13>	03yaron * r24551 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Fix for values in template calls that contain piped links
[02:15:07] <CIA-13>	03yaron * r24552 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php): Version 0.4.3
[02:15:34] <Emufarmers>	Anyway, thanks a bunch, Pathoschild
[02:18:28] <Pathoschild>	Welcome.
[03:19:21] *Pathoschild 	pokes Nikerabbit on schedule.
[03:19:49] <laowai>	hey yall
[03:20:22] <laowai>	im up for a game of "stump the devs" as advertised
[03:20:43] <Pathoschild>	Have fun.
[03:21:21] <laowai>	1) what's the chinese language support status?
[03:21:53] <Pathoschild>	If you mean localization files, I assume excellent.
[03:22:35] <laowai>	ok, 2) are there any settings to have a moderation queue?
[03:23:00] <laowai>	we are actually going through the hell of getting a legal wiki in china, and you have NO idea how painful this is
[03:23:06] <Pathoschild>	You want to approve new articles before they're made public?
[03:23:09] <laowai>	yep
[03:23:15] <Pathoschild>	Or approve all edits?
[03:23:29] <Pathoschild>	Yep new articles, or all edits?
[03:23:32] <laowai>	and changes, unless there is a keyword filter that can be applied to block certain things
[03:23:49] <laowai>	hate to play big brother, but it's either that or jail :D
[03:24:14] *Pathoschild 	pokes around the extension piles.
[03:29:05] <Pathoschild>	Not that I can find. You could approve users, though.
[03:30:37] <laowai>	yea, we are going to have to modify the registration to require personal ID#.. that's gonna be fun
[03:31:16] <laowai>	not the mod, but the verification of it
[03:31:56] <Pathoschild>	Well, you could moderate registration instead. Require that users provide identification or some such to a closed mailing list, then "activate" accounts by assigning edit access to them.
[03:32:22] <Pathoschild>	Or maybe use a ticket system like OTRS <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRS ?
[03:34:28] <laowai>	yea, that's not the issue.  it's either something that can be moderated, or we have to have staff on the wiki 24/7 to moderate every edit.  approximate userbase around 50,000 or so, and it's going to be a target for falun gong, tibet and taiwan types
[03:35:31] <Pathoschild>	Thus, user moderation is better. If a user misbehaves, you can delete all their edits (there's an extension that makes that easy) and disable their account. If they have to provide identification, returning is going to be difficult.
[03:36:18] <laowai>	true
[03:39:08] <laowai>	ok, moving right along down the list then.  this is not so much wiki as it is general stuff now
[03:39:47] *Pathoschild 	nods.
[03:40:27] <laowai>	shopping cart, recommendations?  simple is best, seeing as our staff is chinese and "hello world" would be a major project for them requiring several weeks and a team of 5
[03:42:36] <Pathoschild>	Maybe use a third-party service like Cafepress? For example, see Wikimedia's store at < http://www.cafepress.com/wikipedia >
[03:42:50] <laowai>	also an affiliate tracking setup.  would like to let users make their own codes kinda like dreamhost, we are on a horrible CDN that wipes all tracking IDs
[03:42:57] <laowai>	just like 2 levels
[03:43:41] <laowai>	boss is taiwanese, so if it costs more than $1, it is a horrible waste of company resources... good times
[03:44:03] <Pathoschild>	Could you rephrase the "affiliate tracking setup" line? I don't understand what you mean.
[03:45:37] <Pathoschild>	Cafepress seems to be free; see < http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/ >
[03:46:02] <laowai>	here's the game plan:  it's for magazine subscriptions, we want to get our user base to sell them for us.  so, we want to be able to provide them with affiliate IDs and links and all that fun stuff.  but, we need to be able to track it all down to at least 2 levels
[03:46:05] <Pathoschild>	Although it's only for artwork on T-shirts and cups and so forth.
[03:46:21] <laowai>	yea, need to have the actual backend to do it
[03:46:24] <Pathoschild>	I have no idea how to help with that one.
[04:09:06] <CIA-13>	03laner * r24553 10/USERINFO/laner: Fixed my email address
[04:13:12] <Emufarmers>	Is gzip compression enabled by default?  Is there a way to disable it?
[04:30:02] <bemson>	I'm trying to understand the concept of namespaces - can anyone point me to an overview of them and how they are used?
[04:30:26] <Emufarmers>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace
[04:30:43] <bemson>	Also, I'm trying to use templates (dynamic ones) which change based on the page (or namespace) the person is viewing... links welcome
[04:30:49] <bemson>	thanks Emufarmers
[04:31:18] <TheFearow>	Easiest way is to use {{PAGENAME}} in the template, with parserfunctions
[04:31:20] <Emufarmers>	There are various template variables
[04:31:22] <Emufarmers>	yeah
[04:31:28] <TheFearow>	Look up Extension:ParserFunctions on mediawiki.org
[04:32:20] <bemson>	thx - any user/noob friendly tutorials - everything on the site is rather comprehensive...?
[04:32:42] <bemson>	book recommendations?
[04:35:21] <Emufarmers>	I believe there is a book published for MediaWiki, but it'd probably be even more comprehensive :p
[04:36:13] <bemson>	Well, this namespace page exhibits the comprehension I meant...
[04:36:19] <bemson>	Would someone finish this sentence:
[04:36:27] <bemson>	Namespaces are like ____
[04:37:01] <Emufarmers>	Sections?
[04:37:05] <bemson>	I mean, what is all this ", a separation of content from policy and discussion."
[04:37:18] <bemson>	What policy? Does my site have to have a policy namespace?
[04:37:38] <Emufarmers>	Most sites use a ProjectName: namespace for policies and other meta stuff
[04:37:51] <Emufarmers>	Basically, namespaces let you separate different materials
[04:37:57] <bemson>	Ok - well, I'm not doing anything contrived, so maybe dealing with my site can help me understand the tool
[04:38:03] <Emufarmers>	So on Wikipedia, the main namespace is for all the encyclopedia stuff
[04:38:22] <Emufarmers>	And the Wikipedia: namespace is for stuff about the management or organization or policies of Wikipedia
[04:38:31] <Emufarmers>	And the Help: namespace is for wiki help
[04:38:51] <bemson>	Well, ours is a volunteer site, and we have content for different audiences - the trainers, the coaches, the participants - should I have a namespace for each audience?
[04:39:12] <Emufarmers>	And the MediaWiki and Image and Special namespaces and such are for the sake of the software
[04:39:13] <Emufarmers>	eh
[04:39:16] <TheFearow>	Namespaces are good for the purpose of the pages, but you can use for anything. I see your situation being a good idea
[04:40:18] <bemson>	ok TheFearow - we also plan to post vids of trainings... should we have a media namespace - since there is already one for images (I think)?
[04:40:38] <TheFearow>	I believe Media: is already there
[04:40:42] <bemson>	ok
[04:40:46] <Emufarmers>	All media can go in the Image namespace
[04:40:53] <bemson>	gotcha Emufarmers
[04:40:58] <Emufarmers>	Isn't Media: a shortcut to the filepath or something?
[04:41:06] <TheFearow>	But, media is eaiser to upload seperately than on-wiki, if its just several people who are doing it
[04:41:12] <Emufarmers>	Oh, and I believe you need an extension if you want to have inline videos
[04:41:13] <TheFearow>	Then you can stream easier etc
[04:42:05] <bemson>	More importantly - it's likely that each audience's namespace will be used to lock out other audiences... Participants wouldn't see Coaches content, etc.. Is this handled best via namespaces or can wiki do group permissions - per page?
[04:42:46] <bemson>	(The media will be embedded via Google/YouTube)
[04:43:08] <TheFearow>	Sadly, no
[04:43:12] <TheFearow>	You need an extension for that
[04:43:26] <bemson>	so, no to group permissions or no to namespace permissions, or both?
[04:43:47] <TheFearow>	No to namespace permissions, and its impossible to selectively deny read permissions
[04:43:55] <TheFearow>	Even just plain denying read permissions is hard
[04:44:06] <Emufarmers>	There's a namespace permissions extension
[04:44:08] <bemson>	WOW - so we should use separate wikis, then?
[04:44:09] <TheFearow>	Extension:Lockdown is what you want
[04:44:17] <bemson>	Ok - I'll look into that
[04:44:31] <TheFearow>	bemson: Wikis are made to be as open as possible, so its almost impossible to totally secure
[04:44:46] <bemson>	gotcha
[04:44:50] <TheFearow>	The best extensions are only deterrents, not stops, its not too hard to overcome
[04:44:54] <TheFearow>	So dont use it for private data
[04:45:34] <bemson>	well, it sounds like a wiki isn't the answer
[04:45:58] <TheFearow>	A forum or CMS is more applicable
[04:45:59] <bemson>	The org wants to make some parts available to one group, none to others, and even sell access to others
[04:46:02] <bemson>	Yeah
[04:46:05] <TheFearow>	Wikis are made to be as open as possible
[04:46:14] <bemson>	understood
[04:47:02] <bemson>	thanks much fellas - I'll continue looking
[04:49:46] <Pathoschild>	theremin: What error are you getting?
[04:49:56] <theremin>	now, I'm getting nothing
[04:50:04] <theremin>	after that semicolon got added.
[04:50:24] <theremin>	http://www.lakecountyfilmfest.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[04:51:25] <theremin>	pm?
[04:51:29] <Pathoschild>	It's working for me.
[04:51:39] <theremin>	what's it look like?
[04:51:53] <Pathoschild>	Normal default installation, "Welcome to the Lake County Film Festival wiki."
[04:51:59] <theremin>	the logo
[04:52:09] <theremin>	this whole thing was trying to change the logo. 
[04:52:12] <Pathoschild>	Oh, the logo. 'Tis blank.
[04:52:32] <theremin>	http://www.lakecountyfilmfest.com/wiki/wikitest.jpg
[04:52:48] <theremin>	$wgLogo = "wiki.png";
[04:53:01] <theremin>	I tried double quotes and single quote
[04:53:15] <theremin>	can't believe I was so stupid about the ;
[04:53:44] <Pathoschild>	Maybe $wgLogo = '/wiki/wikitest.png'; ?
[04:55:43] <theremin>	finally
[04:56:00] <theremin>	and then I just realized I forgot to make the background transparent! 
[04:56:05] <theremin>	oh well..tomorrow is another day. 
[04:56:07] <Emufarmers>	It's a jpeg
[04:56:29] <theremin>	it was a png too, I just put up the wrong link. 
[04:56:38] <theremin>	www.lakecountyfilmfest.com/wiki/wikitest.png
[04:57:13] <theremin>	I ended up solving it by just putting the whole web address in. 
[04:57:47] <theremin>	I don't know what it thought was the root, especially because the START of the problem is that I couldn't just replace the $wgLogo =, because there wasn't one. 
[05:54:36] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24554 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[05:54:36] <CIA-13>	* (bug 10778) Update Chinese translations
[05:54:37] <CIA-13>	 Patch by Shinjiman
[05:54:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #50, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10778  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[06:04:54] <CIA-13>	03raymond * r24555 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesTh.php: 
[06:04:55] <CIA-13>	* (bug 10785) Update Thai translation
[06:04:57] <CIA-13>	 Patch by Manop K
[06:05:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update for Thai language (th) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10785  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[06:10:57] <Leftmost>	What's the appropriate venue for reporting an error in MediaWiki internationalization? (I'm assuming that it's not appropriate for someone with SVN access to simply change it if that's not why they have SVN access.)
[06:12:01] <Leftmost>	Localization, I suppose.
[06:24:01] <Andre>	Anyone in here who knows how to operate Special:Checkuser and can tell me the procedure for checking a user agent?
[06:24:51] <Andre>	A bit confusing because I can't see it myself, but if you could give me step by step instructions I can relay them
[06:24:53] <Andre>	Anyone?
[06:27:10] <CIA-13>	03aaron * r24556 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (ConfirmAccount.sql ConfirmAccount_body.php): *Fix errors for mysql strict mode
[06:27:41] <Andre>	Everyone's asleep I guess huh
[06:28:27] <Leftmost>	Or no one knows the answer to your question.
[06:28:49] <Andre>	Well can anyone at least point me in the right direction
[06:29:12] <Leftmost>	I'm sure someone would have stepped in and said so if they could.
[06:40:29] <Werdna>	hello TimStarling 
[06:40:33] <TimStarling>	hello
[06:41:49] <Werdna>	I committed my userCan changes, because I haven't had time to actually integrate it into the interface, yet
[06:41:52] <Werdna>	I may do that tonight
[06:43:20] <Leftmost>	Hmm, you're both around quite a bit. I have a question of propriety: if I notice an error in l10n, can I commit a fix for it though I was given an account for other reasons?
[06:43:50] *Werdna 	points to TimStarling - he's the one who shouts at you if you do and you can't.
[06:45:44] <joe>	h
[06:46:21] <Leftmost>	(If it's inappropriate, whereabouts should I bring it up? Is Bugzilla the appropriate venue for l10n?)
[06:47:09] <joe>	latex help
[06:47:32] <Raymond_>	Leftmost: do you have SVN commit access?
[06:48:06] <Leftmost>	Yes. I'm just not sure about the conventions regarding where people should edit.
[06:49:58] <Raymond_>	Leftmost: I would say if you can fix an error commit a patch if you are sure it does not break anything, at least i10n stuff should be ok.
[06:50:47] <Leftmost>	Alright, thanks for the clarification.
[06:51:45] <Raymond_>	Leftmost: if you do nonsense/break anything you will be stabbed by brion/tim/all ;-)
[06:52:06] <Leftmost>	Hehe, none of that. Just an l10n problem that's been bothering me for weeks now.:)
[06:54:26] <CIA-13>	03brion * r24557 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.php CentralAuthUser.php SpecialMergeAccount.php): 
[06:54:29] <CIA-13>	fix up the cleanup merge so it works; ui needs work
[06:54:31] <CIA-13>	insert local records on account creation -- had been broken for autocreations by the schema change, and wasn't done in the proper hook for opt-in mode
[06:55:40] <CIA-13>	03brion * r24558 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): clean up some obsolete uses of $wgUseLatin1 and $wgInputEncoding left over from 1.4 days
[06:56:27] <mihgg>	how do compile texvc
[06:58:31] <Werdna>	./configure
[06:58:31] <Werdna>	make
[06:58:33] <Werdna>	make install
[06:58:59] <Werdna>	hi brion 
[06:59:20] <Leftmost>	Is this the TeX help channel?:P
[06:59:37] <Werdna>	texvc is included with MediaWiki, Leftmost 
[06:59:43] <Leftmost>	Ahh, okay.
[07:00:02] <mihgg>	is there a tex help chanel ? 
[07:00:12] <Werdna>	try #tex
[07:00:51] *Leftmost 	personally thinks TeX is a giant pain in the rear. Not to say it isn't incredibly useful and that he doesn't use it constantly.
[07:01:11] <Prax01D>	Try #LaTeX
[07:02:48] <mihgg>	i wanted it on the wiki i installed
[07:11:04] <mihgg>	i know how to compile but do i have to do it on my server
[07:12:16] <Leftmost>	Probably a good idea.
[07:12:34] <Leftmost>	You may be able to compile off-server but there's a chance it wouldn't work properly.
[07:12:49] <Leftmost>	Always that chance with binaries.
[07:13:08] <mihgg>	ok
[07:13:23] <laowai>	how much can i modify the wiki front page?  have not used it yet, need it to look more like a portal
[07:13:55] <Leftmost>	It's as malleable as any other page in the wiki.
[07:13:57] <mihgg>	i can only ftp to my serverspace
[07:14:01] <laowai>	unfamiliar with the CMS on it, and debating whether to use joomla or not
[07:14:37] <laowai>	gotta have CMS out the ass on it, or my staff is going to die :P
[07:15:33] <mihgg>	i like the cms but its bulky to simple things
[07:15:55] <mihgg>	idk
[07:17:47] <mihgg>	i think my hoster disabled ssh
[07:18:05] <mihgg>	or im a n00b
[07:19:17] <mihgg>	i cant get the cmd to do work
[07:52:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) The dutch localisation uses some wrong quotes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10786 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (t.w.a.maaswinkel)
[07:54:58] <Plueschi>	is it able to place an image in the frame of a preformatted text
[08:06:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The dutch localisation uses some wrong quotes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10786  (10raimond.spekking)
[08:08:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The dutch localisation uses some wrong quotes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10786  (10t.w.a.maaswinkel)
[08:11:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The dutch localisation uses some wrong quotes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10786  (10t.w.a.maaswinkel)
[08:24:39] <timichal>	hey brion, faound an interesting bug
[08:24:52] <timichal>	you can't block a user:0
[08:27:49] <brion_>	wot bug timichal 
[08:27:51] <brion_>	wifi's a little flaky in here :)
[08:28:16] <Nikerabbit>	[11:24:52]  timichal> you can't block a user:0
[08:28:45] <timichal>	yup
[08:28:57] *brion 	sighs and stabs php
[08:29:16] <timichal>	it works on Wikia, but they have an extension that might affect it (RegexBlock)
[08:29:23] <timichal>	(don't ask how I tried)
[08:31:47] *Werdna 	pokes brion 
[08:32:14] *brion 	is poked
[08:32:17] <Werdna>	where should I put a function that converts arrays of permissions errors into a purty error message
[08:34:37] <brion>	prolly OutputPage, though that's kinda lame
[08:34:41] <Werdna>	brion: I've been tossing up between OutputPage, Title.
[08:34:42] <brion>	but it'd fit w/ the others
[08:35:14] *Werdna 	feels like he's making the codebase messier and messier
[08:36:21] <brion>	prolly
[08:36:41] <brion>	you jerk :)
[08:36:54] <Werdna>	well, I'm all ears if you have a better plan.
[08:38:48] <CIA-13>	03brion * r24559 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.php: Oh the shame -- forgot hook return value
[08:40:22] <Werdna>	brion: any other ideas?
[08:40:30] <Werdna>	WerdnaStuff.php?
[08:40:43] <brion>	iirc i recommended OutputPage :)
[08:40:49] <Plueschi>	My code to implement a image is: [[Image:Uebersicht-Monitor.jpg|none|border|100px|Monitor]]  (The problem is that i can´t see the border around)
[08:41:06] *Werdna 	shuffles off and prepares to incur the ire of Simetrical and other people who like code cleanliness
[08:45:13] <brion>			$this->BlockAddress = IP::sanitizeIP( $this->BlockAddress );
[08:45:17] <brion>	is where it's getting killed
[08:45:34] <brion>			if ( !$ip ) return null;
[08:46:40] <brion>	the hell
[08:48:19] <CIA-13>	03brion * r24560 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: +wikipedia weekly
[08:48:53] <brion>	i'm going to go out on a limb and say it's kind of weird for IP::sanitizeIP to return the input if it's not an IP
[08:51:53] <brion>	timichal: done
[08:52:08] <CIA-13>	03brion * r24561 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/IP.php): 
[08:52:10] <CIA-13>	* Fixed regression in blocking of username '0'
[08:52:12] <CIA-13>	IP::sanitizeIP() for some reason is used to return IP-or-something-that's-not-an-IP, but was incorrectly checking for empties. Thus for '0' input it returned NULL instead of '0'.
[08:52:41] <timichal>	brion: thanks! :)
[08:54:55] <W00d5t0ck>	hello
[08:58:05] <needle>	hey just a question, do i need a special plugin to generate a list f.e "where name=XYZ" , or can it be done out of the box with mediawiki?
[08:58:53] <_wooz>	lo
[09:01:47] <W00d5t0ck>	I have a page created ages ago (about 2 months), called "Embedded"
[09:02:02] <W00d5t0ck>	when I search for "embed", I don't get any results, what could cause that?
[09:03:35] <brion>	the fact that "embed" does not appear in your page
[09:05:11] <W00d5t0ck>	yes, it's true, but I should get Page titles
[09:05:48] <W00d5t0ck>	why do I get "No page title matches"
[09:05:50] <W00d5t0ck>	?
[09:06:14] <Werdna>	try searching embed*
[09:06:38] <W00d5t0ck>	same
[09:06:48] <Werdna>	meh
[09:06:58] <Werdna>	search in mediawiki doesn't have this fancy stubbing stuff
[09:07:02] <Werdna>	unless you use lucene
[09:07:16] <W00d5t0ck>	when I look for icall, I get many result for page titles containing "icall"
[09:07:28] <Werdna>	search indexes haven't been updated, maybe
[09:07:50] <flyingparchment>	why do you think you should get page title matches?
[09:07:55] <W00d5t0ck>	however, icall is a full word, embed is not
[09:08:37] <W00d5t0ck>	flyingparchment, because I have a page called "embedded". I thought searching for "embed" should return this title
[09:09:03] <flyingparchment>	no, as werda says, there is no kind of stemming in mediawiki/mysql search
[09:09:36] <W00d5t0ck>	so I can search for full words?
[09:10:03] <flyingparchment>	yes
[09:10:07] <Werdna>	flyingparchment: what permission do you need for Special:Lockdb?
[09:10:17] <Werdna>	remembered it, siteadmin
[09:10:40] <W00d5t0ck>	thanks
[09:16:16] *Werdna 	smiles
[09:27:40] <CIA-13>	03werdna * r24562 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Use the new userCan changes to display better, clearer error messages when a permissions error is encountered.
[09:27:58] <Werdna>	wheeee
[09:28:08] *Raymond_ 	looks
[09:28:17] *Werdna 	prays that he caught all the bugs
[09:28:41] <laowai>	here's a nice creepy question
[09:28:42] *Duesentrieb 	wonders how the "new" userCan plays with extensions that use the UserCan hook...
[09:28:43] *Raymond_ 	searches his own bugs at the moment :-(
[09:28:46] <Nikerabbit>	at least you will get into heaven when you get stabbed
[09:29:25] <laowai>	is there an extension available to actually track user page view history and compile stats?
[09:29:58] <Werdna>	doubt it
[09:31:04] <Duesentrieb>	laowai: if you write one, call it BigBrotherIsWatchingYou
[09:31:20] <Duesentrieb>	or CeilingCat
[09:33:17] *Kinmu-no-Neko 	me watches Duesentrieb from the ceiling
[09:47:00] <chat-de-plafond>	flaky wireless, TimStarling?
[09:47:14] <TimStarling>	I'm at wikimania
[09:47:22] <chat-de-plafond>	I presumed as much
[09:47:24] <TimStarling>	oh, and conserving batteries
[09:53:02] <Duesentrieb>	TimStarling! Where have you been? we've missed you
[09:53:14] <TimStarling>	...around
[10:06:08] <Sonjaaa>	what size must the upper left icon thingy be?
[10:06:16] <Sonjaaa>	the main logo emlem of a wiki?
[10:06:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	150x150 pixels, I believe
[10:06:59] <Kinmu-no-Neko>	Duesentrieb you really missed TimStarling? He never pets me :(
[10:07:24] <Sonjaaa>	do i need my web host to set up stuff for me
[10:07:36] <Sonjaaa>	or can i just upload all the files to set up a new mediawiki on a domain i have ftp access to 
[10:10:52] *chat-de-plafond 	pets Kinmu-no-Neko 
[10:11:50] *Kinmu-no-Neko 	purrs loudly
[10:14:15] <flabra>	hello
[10:17:29] <flabra>	I've got a problem, I installed wiki, (gentoo - emerge www-apps/mediawiki-1.10.0 with imagemagick math mysql), but it works only for main user (let it will bye wikiroot), I can't create new accounts ( http://4programmers.net/~flabra/wiki.png ), the line 'Don't have a login? Create an account.' is missing. What did I wrong ? sth. in php con ?
[10:17:56] <flabra>	s/con/conf
[10:24:00] <Kinmu-no-Neko>	hmm
[10:24:25] <Kinmu-no-Neko>	was it intentional to disable the ability to pass urls as a parameter to templates?
[10:45:44] *chat-de-plafond 	pets Kinmu-no-Neko 
[10:52:12] <Sonjaaa>	how do i get rid of index.php ?
[10:52:22] <Sonjaaa>	why isnt it removed by default
[10:52:25] <Sonjaaa>	for cleaner url
[10:53:18] <chat-de-plafond>	because it needs apache server config changes
[10:53:22] <chat-de-plafond>	there's an FAQ entry on it
[10:53:37] <TheFearow>	!simpleurl
[10:53:37] <mwbot>	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL. There are instructions for most different webserver setups.
[10:53:48] <chat-de-plafond>	ooh
[10:53:50] <chat-de-plafond>	!svn
[10:53:50] <mwbot>	Subversion is a version control software that allows users to download the very latest version of a branch without having to wait for someone to get around to packaging it. Advantages to using Subversion include the latest version, vastly simplified updating, the ability to roll back an upgrade, the ability to create and submit patches. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion for more information.
[10:54:01] <chat-de-plafond>	!faq
[10:54:01] <mwbot>	Before reporting a problem or requesting assistance, please check the FAQ first. The FAQ for MediaWiki can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ
[10:54:05] <chat-de-plafond>	whee
[10:54:07] <TheFearow>	@search .*
[10:54:07] <mwbot>	Results: [bugzilla, download, extensions, extranamespace, hidetoc, imagemap, install, javascript, logo, mediawiki, mwbot, package, pastebin, purge, repeat, simpleurl, subversion, support, welcome, wiki]
[10:54:12] <TheFearow>	Thats a list of auto FAQ entries
[10:54:17] <TheFearow>	you can also go:
[10:54:26] <TheFearow>	!simpleurl | chat-de-plafond
[10:54:26] <mwbot>	chat-de-plafond: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL. There are instructions for most different webserver setups.
[10:54:37] <chat-de-plafond>	fancy-pants
[10:54:42] <TheFearow>	:p
[10:54:46] <TheFearow>	I added a heap of them
[10:55:20] <chat-de-plafond>	well aren't you mister fancy
[10:55:32] <chat-de-plafond>	!repeat
[10:55:32] <mwbot>	Please do not repeat yourself too often, if little conversation has occurred since your last message then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You stand a chance of annoying people if you repeat yourself.
[10:56:57] <chat-de-plafond>	!mwbot
[10:56:57] <mwbot>	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. There's not much documentation on me, but you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn
[10:57:18] <TheFearow>	!welcome 
[10:57:18] <mwbot>	Welcome to #mediawiki, the channel for MediaWiki development and support! Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask your questions. Do, however, consult the FAQ, located at <FAQ: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ>, first.
[10:58:12] <plhrohero>	hello, can I create a mediawiki site and add ads to it?
[10:58:20] <plhrohero>	is this allowed?
[10:58:55] <Jack_Phoenix>	of course it is
[10:59:02] <ialexandre>	plhrohero: Wikia does this
[10:59:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	and a lot of other hosts too
[10:59:33] <chat-de-plafond>	put your google ads code in the MonoBook.php file
[10:59:52] <plhrohero>	ok thanks a lot
[11:02:09] <flabra>	hmm I did it work, www-apps/mediawiki-1.10.0 (gentoo) is boken :)
[11:02:12] <flabra>	bye :)
[11:03:52] <tiny_green>	I want to have a lock on pages being edited, so that another user gets a message that the page is already being edited
[11:04:09] <tiny_green>	I have managed to do that, but not to kill the lock when the window is closed
[11:05:52] <tiny_green>	a fixed time limit is of course an option, but is there another way?
[11:07:07] <TheFearow>	The server cant be notified if you cancel the edit, without some nice javascript, but its still not that good
[11:07:35] <TheFearow>	Easiest way is to have a javascript on the edit page pinging the server every few seconds, to let it know its still editing.
[11:08:26] <tiny_green>	ok, cause I tried using the onunload event, but the browser won't make any http requests at that time
[11:09:11] <tiny_green>	thanks for the advice, i'll try it out
[12:05:04] *chat-de-plafond 	waves
[12:05:37] <CIA-13>	03catrope * r24563 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/ (24 files in 8 dirs): apiedit: Merging latest revisions from trunk, expect r24533
[12:07:21] <chat-de-plafond>	ooh, apiedit
[12:07:24] <chat-de-plafond>	how very fancy-pants
[12:09:02] <CIA-13>	03bartek * r24564 10/trunk/extensions/SpamRegex/ (README SpamRegex.php SpamRegexCore.php SpecialSpamRegex.php): SpamRegex code update
[12:10:23] <Jack_Phoenix>	O_O
[12:11:59] *chat-de-plafond 	spams Jack_Phoenix 
[12:12:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	O_o
[12:12:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	o_O
[12:24:45] <PW_Yako>	Hi all!
[12:25:02] <PW_Yako>	a little questiopn:
[12:25:13] <PW_Yako>	I have my own instalation of MediaWiki 1.9.3
[12:25:29] <PW_Yako>	and i don't know how to set up something like this:
[12:25:29] <PW_Yako>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Mostlinkedtemplates
[12:25:32] <PW_Yako>	on my wiki
[12:28:19] <PW_Yako>	enybody could help?
[12:31:47] <PW_Yako>	:(
[12:35:51] <Raymond_>	PW_Yako: it not part of 1.9.3
[12:36:01] <Raymond_>	will be introduced with 1.11
[12:40:07] *chat-de-plafond 	invades
[12:42:10] <claudio`>	hey
[12:42:44] <chat-de-plafond>	good evening
[12:58:21] <Hub441>	hi!
[12:59:05] <chat-de-plafond>	hello
[13:00:00] <Hub441>	i asked yesterday about mwdumper and postgresql. i seems that the sql mwdumper produces is not compatible to postgresql
[13:00:36] <chat-de-plafond>	ah.
[13:00:49] <chat-de-plafond>	that's not good.
[13:03:03] <Hub441>	some things i noticed: postgres doesnt want more than one tuple in a INSERT, INSERT INTO table (column1,column2) VALUES (val11, val12),(val21,val22); doesn't work
[13:03:35] <Hub441>	i couldnt figure out how to tell mwdumper to use schemas like INSERT INTO schema.table (...
[13:04:42] <Hub441>	i added a echo $sql; to include/DatabasePostgresql.php and the SQL importDump.php produces does not have anything in common with the SQL from mwdumper ;)
[13:09:12] <chat-de-plafond>	try finding a converter?
[13:09:20] <Hub441>	erm, the mwdumper version provided on http://download.wikimedia.org/tools/ seems to be quite old!
[13:09:56] <chat-de-plafond>	not suprised
[13:10:08] *chat-de-plafond 	doesn't know anything about postgres
[13:10:24] <Hub441>	well i just followed the instructions there http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MWDumper
[13:10:36] <Hub441>	i'll do a svn checkout and try again...
[13:17:40] <greudin>	plop
[13:21:39] <claudio`>	How can i create an index like this: http://www.netbsd.org/docs/guide/en/ ?
[13:21:56] <claudio`>	I'm reading the MediaWiki documentation but, ATM, i haven't found nothing of interesting.
[13:22:51] <Duesentrieb>	claudio`: it's not possible out of the box, and i don't think there's an extension for it. pages in a wiki don't have an interinsic order, nor a hierarchical structure.
[13:23:04] <Duesentrieb>	so there's no info you could use to generate such an overview.
[13:23:27] <claudio`>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Hierarchy
[13:24:13] <Duesentrieb>	claudio`: well then, use that extension.
[13:24:42] <claudio`>	Duesentrieb: i'm not sure it's what i'm looking for. I'll read the documentation
[13:24:49] <claudio`>	Duesentrieb: THX anyway
[13:24:50] <Duesentrieb>	it sounds like it is
[13:25:39] <Duesentrieb>	claudio`: to overcome the limitations i mentioned, that extension actually introduces a new table into the database, and special markup for declaring the hierarchy in the wiki. Not a small addition... 
[13:25:47] <Duesentrieb>	if it works for you, great :)
[13:26:11] <claudio`>	;)
[13:32:15] <misty>	hi all, I have got a stupid one.  I need to reset some passwords in my wiki, because it has been a while since I updated it and I totally forgot my password and Admin's
[13:32:19] <misty>	I have access to the DB
[13:34:43] <misty>	I found something online about how to do it, the row is updated but I still cannot log in.  Here is the method I tried to use: http://people.planetpostgresql.org/greg/index.php?/archives/74-Reset-a-user-password-on-MediaWiki.html
[13:48:21] <eAi>	hey - I'm using $wgOut->parse on mediawiki 1.6 - is there any way to stop is screwing up section numbers (i.e. restarting at 1)?
[13:49:18] <claudio`>	brb
[13:53:45] <eAi>	what class is $wgOut?
[13:54:15] <Duesentrieb>	OutputPage
[13:57:17] <eAi>	anyone know where the section number counter is?
[13:57:30] <Duesentrieb>	in the parser
[13:57:42] <Duesentrieb>	evil voodoo stuff
[13:57:53] <eAi>	I guessed that ;)
[13:58:22] <Duesentrieb>	eAi: try using recursiveTagParse or some such
[13:58:26] <Duesentrieb>	that should get it right
[13:58:43] <Duesentrieb>	there are several wasy to use the parser, while resetting this or that part of the state, etc
[13:59:22] <misty>	ugh, I am having a problem.  I deleted a username to try to add it back, since I could not change the password for some reason.  Now it says the username is already in use, even thoguh it is not in the 'users' table at all
[13:59:24] <eAi>	well from the look of the code, calling $wgOut->parse shouldn't reset anything
[14:01:07] <Duesentrieb>	eAi: which might or might not be what you want. it's all quite arcane. do use recursiveTagParse
[14:01:57] <Duesentrieb>	misty: the table is called user, no s. are you sure you are looking at the *right* table?
[14:02:05] <misty>	yes I am, I mistyped
[14:02:13] <eAi>	I can't see that function - is it in 1.6?
[14:02:23] <naught101>	anyone know if there's any way to see how long a mediawiki user has been registered?
[14:02:59] <Duesentrieb>	naught101: in recent versions of mediawiki, there's a database field that holds the registration timestamp
[14:03:07] <Duesentrieb>	eAi: NO, NOT IN 1.6
[14:03:13] <Duesentrieb>	sorry, capslock
[14:03:45] <naught101>	Duesentrieb: no way of checking from the webpage then?
[14:03:47] *Duesentrieb 	hopes mediawiki 1.6 will die die die!
[14:03:59] <naught101>	heh
[14:04:01] <Duesentrieb>	naught101: i don't think so, no.
[14:04:59] <Duesentrieb>	naught101: you can find out the date of the first enit easily enough by looking at user contributions
[14:05:05] <Duesentrieb>	* edit
[14:09:42] <naught101>	yeah
[14:10:10] <naught101>	would be nice to have a "recent users" page
[14:10:20] <naught101>	not vital though.
[14:10:34] <akahn_>	There might be an extension for that?
[14:11:29] <Duesentrieb>	naught101: oh, that's easy. go to Special:Log, you can select only account creation to be shown
[14:11:34] <Duesentrieb>	i totally forgot about that
[14:12:25] <Duesentrieb>	naught101: i think there actually is a newusers extension too - i even think wikipedia uses it.
[14:12:57] <naught101>	cool. might check it out. thanks Duesentrieb.
[14:13:13] <misty>	Login error: 				Username entered already in use. Please choose a different name.
[14:13:20] <misty>	But the User table only has one user - Admin
[14:13:31] <misty>	I am trying to create user Misty
[14:13:43] <Duesentrieb>	naught101: i thought you wanted to find out when user x registered - that's not sooo easy, though maybe it's possible with Special:Log too. Listing most recent users is easy.
[14:13:54] <misty>	this is on ubuntu, is it possible it is not using the User table at all, but using PAM or something?
[14:14:45] <Duesentrieb>	possible, but unlikely
[14:15:02] <misty>	I checked in LocalSettings and all cache is turned off
[14:15:09] <misty>	so what in the world could the issue be?
[14:16:51] <misty>	Is there a way to export everything but the User table, and redo the db and re-import all the articles?
[14:16:57] <naught101>	Duesentrieb: I'm using 1.10, I can't see an option to select account creation
[14:19:10] <naught101>	ahh, it's Special:User_contributions
[14:19:55] <naught101>	or not
[14:20:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	Hey brion. :)
[14:23:04] <akahn_>	Is there a way to turn off section edit links for a particular page or section?
[14:24:10] <Raymond_>	akahn_: use __NOEDITSECTION__ in the page
[14:24:26] <laowai>	is there anyway to rape a referral id into a wiki page, thus making it commercial and tracking traffic?
[14:24:31] <laowai>	i have money on "no"
[14:25:19] <akahn_>	Raymond_: thanks
[14:32:00] <kyle__>	Question. Would a webhost website be a good candidate for a wiki?
[14:32:26] <kyle__>	I have one, and I write it in HTML, but I hate doing HTML
[14:33:06] <akahn_>	kyle__: what's a webhost website?
[14:33:18] <kyle__>	akahn_, exactly that
[14:33:39] <akahn_>	like you have a host and you host web sites for people?
[14:34:02] <kyle__>	*sigh*
[14:34:06] <kyle__>	yes
[14:34:45] <kyle__>	may i link to the host website? :-)
[14:34:58] <akahn_>	that would probably be a good idea
[14:35:01] <akahn_>	kyle__: am i trying your patience?
[14:35:05] <kyle__>	no
[14:35:12] <kyle__>	http://fswh.ath.cx
[14:35:43] <akahn_>	is that the content that you'd like to put in the wiki?
[14:36:04] <kyle__>	and split it out for future expansion, yeah
[14:36:54] <akahn_>	it doesn't really seem to me like a wiki would be an appropriate here, especially such a fully-featured one as mediawiki
[14:37:03] <kyle__>	why not?
[14:37:32] <kyle__>	that doesn't surprise me, but i'd like to know why you think that way
[14:37:44] <akahn_>	one reason is that there's only one person editing the web site, one of the main purposes if a wiki is that it can be edited collaboratively.
[14:37:46] <misty>	use a blog instead
[14:37:52] <misty>	it is really plain and not eye-catching
[14:38:07] <misty>	wordpress is great, you can even have a static front-page
[14:38:10] <akahn_>	a blog or some simple CMS, although you could also get a better editor or get better at HTML
[14:38:27] <misty>	if you want people to buy service through your website, use something like Zencart
[14:38:57] <laowai>	that's pretty much my plan
[14:39:17] <kyle__>	misty, i, as the administrator, focus on free service, but thanks, I'll condiser that for future ventures
[14:39:37] <laowai>	osCommerce+affiliate plugin and a wiki to drive traffic.   create a new article and get free shipping
[14:40:36] <kyle__>	is there anything superficially missing from there? I'm wondering about that every time I edit it :-)
[14:42:34] <laowai>	ok, so i take it that the "rape a referral ID into wiki pages" is indeed a no go
[14:42:59] <kyle__>	and should there be a certain order that all these elements go in?  
[14:43:16] <kyle__>	well, logging in + howto work fine, but the rest ... ?
[14:43:27] <kyle__>	Again, I'm a bit confused :-)
[14:43:49] <misty>	kyle, I really think that a blog is the appropriate cms for you
[14:44:15] <misty>	there is a centralized interface for adding 'articles', you can adjust the navigation and categorization quite easily to make it intuitive
[14:44:24] <kyle__>	misty, I will do that... It works very well for me that way
[14:44:47] <misty>	there are lots of templates / themes, and add-ons to get exactly what you want
[14:44:54] <misty>	and you do not have to know a thing about HTML
[14:45:04] <misty>	it will be helpful to learn some CSS probably, but you do not need it at first
[14:45:21] <misty>	also with a blog it is really easy to limit who sees what
[14:45:32] <kyle__>	actually I created a blog at http://fswh.blogspot.com. I will use that now 
[14:45:38] <misty>	for instance, if someone is not a user, they do not need to see your how-to stuff, but instead they need to see something about why they should join
[14:45:52] <misty>	blogspot--
[14:46:03] <kyle__>	May I ask why that sucks?
[14:46:08] <misty>	they own your stuff, and if you move to your own domain you cannot take your comments, links, and things with you
[14:46:14] <misty>	hosted blogs in general suck for those reasons
[14:46:22] <kyle__>	misty, not really completely true
[14:46:33] <misty>	plus you carry around blogspot's reputation if you are a subdomain of them
[14:46:50] <misty>	when I firsst started blogging, I used Blogger, it very quickly changed when I realized that I was shooting myself in the foot
[14:47:03] <kyle__>	misty: What do you mean?
[14:47:07] <misty>	you can get very good, cheap hosting from companies like Midphase / AnHosting, and set up your own blog in your own domain
[14:47:33] <misty>	also your ability to customize and add features is very limited by what they give you access to in their API
[14:47:52] <kyle__>	misty, What did you want?
[14:47:52] <misty>	look at what happened to the blogs on Blogger, when it updated its API
[14:47:55] <misty>	mass chaos for over a month
[14:48:15] <misty>	kyle, I have a blog at imisty.com
[14:48:24] <misty>	it is run on WordPress with some mods
[14:48:44] <misty>	I also run an e-commerce site on zencart, at three-elms.com
[14:49:04] <kyle__>	OK, I'm definitely getting WP and putting it on fswh.ath.cx, for more control.
[14:49:08] <misty>	if I am attaching my name to sopmething, I want full control of the c ontent and presentation
[14:49:21] <laowai>	any ideas on linking registration between wiki and osCommerce?
[14:49:22] <misty>	if I could type it would help
[14:49:35] <kyle__>	misty, Thanks!
[14:49:35] <laowai>	as in, sign up for one, you singed up for both?
[14:49:39] <misty>	laowai: I do not know, but I am sure someone has done it
[14:49:42] <misty>	kyle__: y/w
[14:49:45] <laowai>	*signed
[14:50:15] <misty>	kyle__: of course check out opensourcecms.com
[14:50:21] <misty>	but most CMS systems are way overkill for you
[14:50:31] <kyle__>	yeah
[14:50:38] <kyle__>	WP is good enough
[14:51:17] <arle>	Hi, there.
[14:51:22] <misty>	WP is dead easy, that is the main thing
[14:51:23] <arle>	Still running PHP4 untill migration, here.
[14:51:44] <arle>	What version of MediaWiki is able to be ran with PHP4?
[14:51:50] <kyle__>	gah, wget said that the server didn't give a content length!
[14:53:03] <kyle__>	ok, I'm going to put on a forum. I'm not going to go with phpBB2.... but maybe wp is "good enough" for a forum too. thoughts?
[14:53:17] <kyle__>	i mean, "i'm going to put on a forum too".
[14:54:01] <misty>	no kyle there is soemthing else
[14:54:03] <misty>	let me remember
[14:55:26] <misty>	bbpress
[14:56:13] <misty>	http://bbpress.org/ but now you are way off topic for #mediawiki :)
[14:57:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Spaces in url before arguments breaks images ( improper urlencoding) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10787 major; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (ziba)
[15:01:38] <arle>	I guess version 1.6 works with PHP4
[15:43:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: Contributions should allow selecting of concrete page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10788 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (wikipedia.danny.b)
[15:46:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Filter page histories by user - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10788  summary (10robchur)
[15:49:39] <bensherman>	omg omg omg i found a bug
[15:49:43] <bensherman>	YAY ME
[15:50:36] <timichal>	bensherman: do share
[15:51:13] <bensherman>	the db scheme for mysql only allows 16 chars in a group name
[15:51:18] <bensherman>	schema
[15:51:42] <bensherman>	if you add the LDAP module, theres a good change you have a group name longer than 16 char
[15:51:49] <bensherman>	its varbinary(16)
[15:52:03] <bensherman>	it should be varbinary(255) or something
[15:52:29] <bensherman>	why is the name limited to 16?
[15:52:56] <Duesentrieb>	uh... user groups are taken from LDAP? really?
[15:53:05] <bensherman>	they can be
[15:53:14] <bensherman>	I have a group of users who is Wiki Administrators
[15:54:10] <bensherman>	$wgGroupPermissions['Wiki Admins'] = $wgGroupPermissions['sysop'];
[15:54:18] <bensherman>	If 'Wiki Admins
[15:54:39] <bensherman>	If 'Wiki Admins' is 'Wiki Administrators' it truncated it and the LDAP won't match it.
[15:55:21] <bensherman>	this could be fixed by truncating the LDAP results, too, but that is hack and can introduce security issues
[15:55:51] <bensherman>	"Wiki Administrators" and "Wiki Administrative Assistants" would match 
[16:15:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  (10brovvnout)
[16:16:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict media upload to autoconfirmed users on it.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10640  (10brovvnout)
[16:25:18] <Nikerabbit>	hi
[16:26:44] <valhallasw>	Is experimental utf-8/binary safe for new installations?
[16:31:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sort of "karma" level applied to users - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10789 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (s0.sub.z3r0)
[16:32:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sort of "karma" level applied to users - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10789  -need-review  (10robchur)
[16:37:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Put Cursor in Search Textbox - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10790 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (bruce.aker)
[16:40:15] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Put Cursor in Search Textbox - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10790  +comment (10robchur)
[16:40:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cursor should be placed in the search box - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  +comment (10robchur)
[16:42:44] <akahn_>	Why do PDFs go in the Image: namespace? 
[17:22:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in SpecialVersion.php on line 257 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10782  (10mediawiki)
[17:25:33] <flyingparchment>	akahn_: because Image is used for all uplodas
[17:40:36] <CIA-13>	03robchurch * r24565 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 9437) Don't overwrite edit form submission handler when setting up edit box scroll position preserve/restore behaviour
[17:40:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) wikibits.js: scrollEditBox overwrites onsubmit, should use hookEvent method - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9437  +comment (10robchur)
[18:02:39] <kristin>	does anyone know of an extension that will highlight css syntax
[18:03:00] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Syntax_Highlight_GeSHi
[18:03:21] <Jack_Phoenix>	bah, broken link
[18:03:23] <Jack_Phoenix>	a moment please
[18:03:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi :)
[18:04:19] <kristin>	thanks
[18:04:48] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[18:15:57] <imownbey>	how can I remove the [Edit] link for an article at headers
[18:16:40] <Pathosguy>	imownbey: For all articles, or one article?
[18:16:50] <imownbey>	for one article
[18:17:38] <akahn_>	put __NOEDITSECTION__ in the page somewhere
[18:17:54] <Pathosguy>	Put... what akahn_ said. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words .
[18:18:38] <imownbey>	awsoem thanks
[18:18:51] <CIA-13>	03robchurch * r24566 10/trunk/extensions/Duplicator/ (Duplicator.i18n.php Duplicator.php): Support special page aliases, with correct English fallback and English aliases available regardless of language
[18:19:18] *akahn_ 	asked that earlier ;)
[18:19:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Translations of special pages names of extensions disables canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9038  (10robchur)
[18:19:53] <CIA-13>	03aaron * r24567 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: *Fix css class
[18:21:28] <CIA-13>	03robchurch * r24568 10/trunk/extensions/Duplicator/Duplicator.php: Hm, attractive though it is, I don't think spewing the list out will do much for our users...
[18:23:03] *Cbrown1023 	nominates robchurch for shell access
[18:23:18] <robchurch>	busy, no unimportant pings
[18:23:57] <Cbrown1023>	heh, k
[18:25:41] <akahn_>	How can I make search appear above navigation in the left side of hte page?
[18:26:02] <robchurch>	hack skin
[18:26:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in SpecialVersion.php on line 257 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10782  (10robchur)
[18:26:28] <valhallasw>	what else do I need to set for freeform HTML use, except $wgRawHtml?
[18:26:37] <valhallasw>	ah
[18:26:42] *valhallasw 	should rtfm
[18:27:00] *valhallasw 	forgot the <html></html>
[18:28:12] <akahn_>	robchurch: could you give me a bit more info?
[18:34:43] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Decide if a message accepts wikitext, etc. on definition, not on call - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8893  +comment (10robchur)
[18:34:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Messages should determine their formatting, not their caller - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10507  (10robchur)
[18:36:15] <TimLaqua>	akahn_, skins/monobook.php
[18:37:04] <akahn_>	TimLaqua: thanks, i'll tinker in tehre
[18:37:16] <TimLaqua>	akahn_, take the entire p-search div block and more it to BEFORE the foreach loop for the sidebar
[18:37:34] <akahn_>	okay
[18:37:45] <akahn_>	TimLaqua: my boss said that the search box isn't prominent enough, go figure
[18:41:40] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: hello. regarding 10788 (you changed the summary) - i'd rather say either create it as second bug or chnge the summary to describe both ways
[18:42:46] <TimLaqua>	the make it bright red.
[18:42:47] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[18:42:59] <sputnick_>	hi there
[18:44:17] <misty>	oy somehow I lost my .myi and .myd files
[18:44:28] <misty>	it is my lucky day
[18:48:11] <sputnick_>	which variable in this part of main.css http://rafb.net/p/gWCa8O45.html  I have to modify to decrease the font size of  "modify" button ? 
[18:48:48] <sputnick_>	*buttons*
[18:59:40] <eghjaytee>	Is there an easy way to have all external links open in a new window? Would it just be in Parser.php?
[19:06:20] <ialexandre>	eghjaytee: You want the list of all extension that are installed on your wiki ?
[19:06:46] <eghjaytee>	no, I want any external links to open in a new window, but I think I found what I need
[19:07:52] <matt3243>	can anyone tell me of any ways to improve and/or replace the search engine built into mediawiki?
[19:08:15] <ThomasV>	google -site:
[19:08:16] <matt3243>	its an internal wiki
[19:08:34] <ialexandre>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LuceneSearch
[19:08:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Logically Delete a User - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10791 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (innocentkiller)
[19:08:48] <robchurch>	_Danny_B_: Well, I wouldn't. Fundamentally, what you are asking for is the same functionality.
[19:09:01] <Cbrown1023>	O_o @ that last bug
[19:09:04] *Cbrown1023 	looks at it
[19:09:14] <^demon>	Cbrown1023: It's mine.
[19:09:26] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: correct, but would it be hard to add it to both pages?
[19:09:30] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Logically Delete a User - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10791  +comment (10robchur)
[19:09:31] *Cbrown1023 	knows :)
[19:09:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flag to mark accounts locked/hidden - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6397  +comment (10robchur)
[19:09:45] <matt3243>	ialexandre, do you know how much of a load this will put on the server?
[19:09:46] <robchurch>	Of course not. But ultimately, you'd have one filter redirect to the other.
[19:09:57] <matt3243>	ialexandre, just curious
[19:10:00] <ialexandre>	matt3243: no
[19:10:00] *Cbrown1023 	pokes r<->ob<->chur<ch>'s modification
[19:10:12] <Comets>	O_O
[19:10:21] *Cbrown1023 	can't pointlessly ping him
[19:10:32] <ialexandre>	matt3243: but it's installed on the wikimedia wikis
[19:10:54] <matt3243>	ialexandre, i'm running a solaris machine... think it'll work?
[19:11:01] <matt3243>	ialexandre, i think that page says it requires linux
[19:11:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in SpecialVersion.php on line 257 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10782  (10mediawiki)
[19:12:37] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: i actually thought adding to special/contributions will be easier than to history because of existing interface. on history you'd have to create brand new, on contributions you just add one inputbox. however i'll be happy if any of these possibilities will be added the sooner the better.
[19:12:40] <ialexandre>	matt3243: yes
[19:13:14] <matt3243>	ialexandre, yes it'll work or yes it does require linux? :)
[19:13:27] <robchurch>	_Danny_B_: That's really rather irrelevant, isn't it.
[19:13:32] <ialexandre>	matt3243: yes it requires linux :(
[19:13:41] <matt3243>	bah
[19:13:53] <MrHappy>	quick question, I have edited localsettings.php and added the code to make file:///// work.
[19:13:56] <matt3243>	i'm on a federal contract, with an agency that hasnt seen the light of open source yet....
[19:14:02] <matt3243>	fighting an uphill battle for sure
[19:14:20] <MrHappy>	is it possible to have it open word or excel as a app instead of inside IE?.
[19:14:25] <matt3243>	i'm suprised they havnt squashed my wiki/apache/mysql install yet :)
[19:17:15] <sputnick>	how many colors is available in css ?
[19:17:27] <TimLaqua>	all of them?
[19:17:30] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[19:17:52] <^demon>	sputnick: However many hex can handle.
[19:17:56] <TimLaqua>	255^255^255
[19:18:13] <TimLaqua>	or times...
[19:18:16] <^demon>	16.7 million.
[19:18:18] <TimLaqua>	dunno.  a bunch
[19:18:44] <sputnick>	:)
[19:18:56] <TimLaqua>	I'm w/ demon on that one.
[19:19:12] <^demon>	If you want to go the named colors only route, there's 16.
[19:19:35] <TimLaqua>	color: lightishkindagrey+somered;
[19:19:57] <^demon>	From w3schools:
[19:19:58] <sputnick>	but colors with names is limited ? (red, yellow...)
[19:19:58] <^demon>	Note: If you want your pages to validate with an HTML or a CSS  validator, W3C has listed 16 color names that you can use: aqua, black, blue, fuchsia, gray, green, lime, maroon,  navy, olive, purple, red, silver, teal, white, and yellow. If you want to use  other colors, you must specify their RGB or HEX value.
[19:20:29] <_Danny_B_>	what is "trackback" right?
[19:20:39] <sputnick>	thanks ^demon
[19:20:47] <^demon>	sputnick: No problem.
[19:21:42] <iam8up|lpy>	how can i stick some text in a page like http://<b>www</b>.google.com and have mediawiki NOT make it a link?
[19:22:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	<nowiki> tags
[19:22:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	wrap it around <nowiki> tags
[19:22:28] <iam8up|lpy>	but then you can't have <b> tags
[19:22:37] <iam8up|lpy>	or ''' tags
[19:23:26] <iam8up|lpy>	ah ha! i tricked the system!
[19:23:40] <iam8up|lpy>	<nowiki>http://</nowiki><b>www</b>.google.com
[19:23:45] <iam8up|lpy>	just nowiki tag the protocol
[19:24:05] <matt3243>	brilliant
[19:24:21] <matt3243>	*toasts guinness*
[19:24:54] <AlexSm>	robchurch: so addHandler() wasn't completely useless after all ... 
[19:28:12] <Klemmi>	good evening.
[19:28:13] <Klemmi>	I asked yesterday, how I can make the wiki not just show html-code that a new own tag produces.
[19:28:26] <Klemmi>	I want to see the result of the code
[19:28:47] <Klemmi>	someone sayed: read this:
[19:28:48] <Klemmi>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8997
[19:29:13] <Klemmi>	but I think, that is not the solution/tryed is
[19:29:18] <Klemmi>	tryed it
[19:29:27] <Klemmi>	with no result.
[19:29:42] <TimLaqua>	what are you trying to do?
[19:29:50] <Klemmi>	knows anyone another solution?
[19:29:59] <Klemmi>	I have got a tag
[19:30:06] <Klemmi>	created with the sethook
[19:30:09] <TimLaqua>	ok
[19:30:25] <Klemmi>	the content of the tag is parsed by a math-editor
[19:30:35] <Klemmi>	and the result is a html-code
[19:30:39] <TimLaqua>	ok
[19:30:46] <Klemmi>	for example:
[19:30:46] <Klemmi>	<br><a href='mpr.php?stringid=5' onclick="window.open('mpr.php?stringid=5', '_blank', 'resizable=yes,scrollbars=yes,width=868,height=650,copyhistory=no');return false;" target=_blank><img src='mprender.php?stringid=5' alt="\fedon\mixona^2+b^2=c^2 \fedoff" border=0></a>
[19:30:54] <TimLaqua>	ok
[19:30:58] <Klemmi>	but I see the code in the wiki
[19:31:08] <TimLaqua>	ah
[19:31:12] <sputnick>	wich part of main.css is the "modify" button ?
[19:31:24] <Klemmi>	but I don't want to see the code. I want to see, what the code produces
[19:31:35] <TimLaqua>	yup.  do you have a public facing example?
[19:31:57] <Klemmi>	sry, public-facing-example?
[19:32:02] <TimLaqua>	example I can look at
[19:32:02] <Klemmi>	an working example?
[19:32:05] <TimLaqua>	like, on the interwebs
[19:32:18] <Klemmi>	hm, not realy.
[19:32:21] <TimLaqua>	ok
[19:32:37] <Klemmi>	the code I posted some seconds ago is the result of the math-editor
[19:32:54] <Klemmi>	more can I not give
[19:33:07] <Klemmi>	because I am the first one trying that I think
[19:33:11] <TimLaqua>	could you copy your function in to http://mediawiki.pastey.net/
[19:33:15] <Klemmi>	(with this math-editor)
[19:33:22] <Klemmi>	of course!
[19:33:27] <Klemmi>	give me a second
[19:34:43] <Klemmi>	http://mediawiki.pastey.net/71760
[19:34:49] <Klemmi>	thats the code of the tag
[19:34:52] <TimLaqua>	yup
[19:35:01] <TimLaqua>	get rid of htmlspecialchars()
[19:35:16] <TimLaqua>	just say return $texttransformed;
[19:35:22] <Klemmi>	I can not give the code of the math-editor. this would be too much
[19:35:38] <TimLaqua>	naa, just change that line.  it'll work fine.
[19:36:15] <Klemmi>	>:Ono, not realy
[19:36:27] <Klemmi>	hmm
[19:36:28] <TimLaqua>	what's it do now?
[19:36:34] <Klemmi>	I can see the link
[19:36:41] <Klemmi>	and the alternate text
[19:37:38] <TimLaqua>	View Source of the page.  Is it outputting what you expect it to now?
[19:38:00] <TimLaqua>	htmlspecialchars() escapes all the special characters.  like > becomes &gt;
[19:38:27] <Klemmi>	hm, nearly
[19:38:36] <Klemmi>	the output is partly right
[19:38:50] <Klemmi>	the output is the link to the php-file
[19:39:15] <TimLaqua>	mprender.php?stringid=5 like that?
[19:39:26] <Klemmi>	yes
[19:39:29] <Klemmi>	like that
[19:39:39] <Klemmi>	but he should not show me the link...
[19:39:56] <Klemmi>	but of course he shows me the link - there are <a<-tags
[19:40:03] <Klemmi>	<a>
[19:40:10] <TimLaqua>	soes it show the picture at all?
[19:40:46] <Klemmi>	it should show a picture which is created
[19:40:51] <Klemmi>	by the file mpr
[19:41:02] <Klemmi>	but I think, I have to include that in the code
[19:41:06] <Klemmi>	of the tag
[19:41:28] <sputnick>	where is in main.css the part of "EDIT" button please ?
[19:42:16] <TimLaqua>	sputnick, ca-talk
[19:42:23] <TimLaqua>	it's a cat- link
[19:42:27] <TimLaqua>	block... whatever
[19:43:35] <sputnick>	I would like to decrease font size of "EDIT"
[19:44:16] <TimLaqua>	#ca-talk { font-size: 90%; }
[19:44:21] <TimLaqua>	oop
[19:44:23] <TimLaqua>	edit.  lol
[19:44:44] <TimLaqua>	#ca-edit { font-size: 90%; }
[19:44:53] <sputnick>	one more time :)
[19:45:43] <TimLaqua>	Klemmi, u figure out your math thingamajig?
[19:46:03] <Klemmi>	hehe, yes
[19:46:09] <TimLaqua>	k
[19:46:18] <Klemmi>	But i think, I have t transform the code of the math-editor
[19:46:36] <Klemmi>	the output is not the expected I think.
[19:46:51] <TimLaqua>	sounds like a non-MediaWiki issue.  ;-)
[19:46:55] <Klemmi>	but the output contain the right information...
[19:47:12] <Klemmi>	non Mediawiki issue?
[19:47:27] <TimLaqua>	your math doodad isn't outputing what you expect it to, right?
[19:47:40] <Klemmi>	partly
[19:47:58] <sputnick>	TimLaqua: I put   "ca-edit { font-size: 10%; }"    but nothing change :/
[19:48:15] <sputnick>	in      MediaWiki:Common.css
[19:48:22] <TimLaqua>	you need the #
[19:48:27] <Klemmi>	<br><a href='mpr.php?stringid=5' onclick="window.open('mpr.php?stringid=5', '_blank', 'resizable=yes,scrollbars=yes,width=868,height=650,copyhistory=no');return false;" target=_blank><img src='mprender.php?stringid=5' alt="\fedon\mixona^2+b^2=c^2 \fedoff" border=0></a>
[19:48:30] <TimLaqua>	#ca-edit {...}
[19:48:34] <Klemmi>	that is the right outut
[19:48:34] <sputnick>	ok
[19:48:49] <Klemmi>	<img src='mprender.php?stringid=5' alt="\fedon\mixona^2+b^2=c^2 \fedoff" border=0>
[19:48:58] <Klemmi>	that must be the image
[19:49:08] <TimLaqua>	makes sense to me
[19:49:29] <Klemmi>	but it does not make, what I want...
[19:49:40] <Klemmi>	I have to try a little bit I think...
[19:49:57] <TimLaqua>	k, so there's something wrong with mprender.php
[19:49:59] <TimLaqua>	right?
[19:50:22] <Klemmi>	no. yesterday, I was send to the bug-Site
[19:50:56] <sputnick>	TimLaqua:  I talk about "EDIT" buttons *inside* the page, not the top one
[19:50:57] <Klemmi>	but removing htmlspecialchars was the solution
[19:51:07] <TimLaqua>	ok
[19:51:22] <TimLaqua>	sputnick, where?
[19:51:28] <Klemmi>	I did it like explained in the example on Mediawiki and that was the mistake
[19:51:35] <TimLaqua>	sputnick, oh, the editsection links
[19:51:54] <sputnick>	yeah
[19:51:56] <sputnick>	:)
[19:52:16] <sputnick>	sorry, my english sucks
[19:52:41] <TimLaqua>	.editsection { ... }
[19:52:50] <sputnick>	with the dot ?
[19:52:52] <TimLaqua>	yup
[19:52:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable subpages in template namespace for french wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10792 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (alex.emsenhuber)
[19:55:30] <sputnick>	THANKS TimLaqua that's it :D
[20:03:00] <Comets>	/hide
[20:03:09] <Comets>	oops :P
[20:03:18] <Klemmi>	problem fixed!
[20:03:25] <Klemmi>	danke euch ganz ganz herzlich!
[20:03:35] <Klemmi>	thanks to all who helped me!
[20:04:21] <Klemmi>	thank you very very much (Duesentrieb,TimLaqua,rortega007)
[20:04:38] <Klemmi>	(even, if the last user is not online
[20:04:43] <Klemmi>	thank you!
[20:04:59] <Duesentrieb>	Klemmi: viel Spass am Gerät!
[20:05:17] <Duesentrieb>	hehe
[20:05:24] <Klemmi>	danke!
[20:07:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mass deletion of images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8527  summary (10robchur)
[20:08:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mark as patrolled link doesn' t show up when using Next diff/Previous diff - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10793 normal; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (roan.kattouw)
[20:09:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mass deletion of images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8527  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[20:20:15] <Klemmi>	and the last message from me:
[20:20:15] <Klemmi>	it realy works!
[20:21:36] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[20:21:45] <Jack_Phoenix>	Hiya. :)
[20:22:07] <Sundance_Raphael>	moin Jack_Phoenix 
[20:22:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	rar
[20:22:17] <Sundance_Raphael>	??
[20:37:23] <Klemmi>	hey, I'm back. I was happy to early.
[20:37:24] <Klemmi>	It works very fine.
[20:37:24] <Klemmi>	but one problem i did not think of is there
[20:37:29] <Klemmi>	line breaks
[20:37:50] <Klemmi>	my $input does not know the line-breaks
[20:37:57] <Klemmi>	i could cry
[20:37:59] <Klemmi>	xD
[20:38:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flag to mark accounts locked/hidden - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6397  (10cbrown1023)
[20:38:36] <Cbrown1023>	O_O
[20:39:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	ugh
[20:39:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	Bartek hasn't updated SimplifiedRegex still...
[20:45:07] <inkhorn>	freenode doesnt have a ghosting option?
[20:52:11] <Klemmi>	can I use line-breaks with the $input? or is this impossible?
[20:59:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Nostalgia - Sidebar - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10794 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (egingell-wiki)
[21:03:18] <Klemmi>	can I use line-breaks with the $input? (sethook) or is this impossible?
[21:18:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SVG not rendering and blanking pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10795 major; highest; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (snooze210904)
[21:57:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgLoadBalancer has wrongType - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10796 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (at_mediawiki)
[22:04:25] <_shawn>	what's the best way to generate clean URLs for edit, etc
[22:04:38] <robchurch>	Using a Title object.
[22:05:24] <Duesentrieb>	better yet, use the skin to generate the links
[22:05:30] <Duesentrieb>	...from a title object
[22:06:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Missing SVG image causing fatal errors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10795  highest->high; summary (10robchur)
[22:07:08] <robchurch>	Depends, he might just want the URL.
[22:07:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Newpages should accept namespace filter in subpage form - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8376  summary (10robchur)
[22:08:00] <_shawn>	I'm planning to use a custom skin anyways, but why is it the better (or more flexible) way?
[22:08:38] <Duesentrieb>	because the skin does stuff like make links to non-existing pages red, etc
[22:08:49] <Duesentrieb>	it assignes the correct classes
[22:08:57] <Duesentrieb>	sifferent skins may handle links differently... etc.
[22:10:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgLoadBalancer has wrongType - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10796  (10robchur)
[22:10:54] <Duesentrieb>	robchurch: wow, that English_language.svg things is a BAD bug...
[22:11:44] <Duesentrieb>	robchurch: perhaps a server admin should look into it?
[22:12:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki: Session fail preview html message problem with $wgRawHtml - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8556  (10robchur)
[22:12:58] <robchurch>	Hence the "shell" keyword. I've absolutely no idea why it's happening.
[22:13:08] <robchurch>	Upload log seems to think the image hasn't been uploaded.
[22:13:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Provide interface to bulk-add pages to watchlist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8358  +comment (10robchur)
[22:15:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Default, section header Edit Summaries should be grayed to encourage more text there - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8342  +comment (10robchur)
[22:17:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Filter page histories by user, or contributions by title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10788  summary (10robchur)
[22:18:39] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: what is "trackback" right? i was looking in docs but haven't find a line about it :-/
[22:18:52] <robchurch>	The right to alter trackbacks, one would presume.
[22:19:54] <robchurch>	trackback.php doesn't check it, which makes some sense, I suppose, so that's not it.
[22:19:59] <robchurch>	Grep the source and see where it's used.
[22:23:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Including a Special Page adds a blank line - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10781  (10robchur)
[22:53:47] <TimLaqua>	is bugzilla.wikimedia.org down?
[22:57:05] <facefaceface>	how do I list users by join date?
[22:57:29] <Duesentrieb>	facefaceface: Special:Log
[22:57:37] <facefaceface>	Duesentrieb, ty
[22:57:40] <Duesentrieb>	TimLaqua: seems like it
[22:59:46] <red>	is there a standalone mediawiki parser/grammar?  last i remember mediawiki's parser was a huge php kludge
[23:00:10] <facefaceface>	Duesentrieb, what am I looking for?
[23:02:48] <Cbrown1023>	is bugzilla down?
[23:02:51] <TimLaqua>	facefaceface, User creation log
[23:03:03] <facefaceface>	TimLaqua, I dont see that log in the list
[23:03:04] <TimLaqua>	Cbrown1023, yeah, I can't get bugzilla either
[23:03:18] <Cbrown1023>	otrs is down too
[23:03:28] <TimLaqua>	facefaceface, what version of mediawiki are you on?
[23:03:28] <facefaceface>	http://biodatabase.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog
[23:03:46] <facefaceface>	1.10.0
[23:04:52] <TimLaqua>	interesting
[23:04:54] <facefaceface>	dont' tell me I need 1.10.1
[23:05:07] <TimLaqua>	dunno, i'll go check my 10.0 install
[23:05:20] <facefaceface>	;-)
[23:05:31] <TimLaqua>	yeah, 10.0 doesn't have that log
[23:05:44] <facefaceface>	strange ... or not?
[23:05:54] <TimLaqua>	looks strange to me
[23:06:06] *facefaceface 	complains
[23:06:36] <TimLaqua>	oop
[23:06:46] <TimLaqua>	just looked at a 10.1 install, not in there either.
[23:07:07] <facefaceface>	perhaps it took too much server time on wikipedia and was dropped forever from all mediawikies in the world?
[23:07:24] <facefaceface>	makes sense to me ... 
[23:08:18] <TimLaqua>	i'm a space cadet.  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newuserlog
[23:08:35] <facefaceface>	TimLaqua, cool.
[23:08:44] <facefaceface>	But I wonder what Duesentrieb was talking about
[23:09:15] <Duesentrieb>	facefaceface: i was going to show you on wikipedia, but... err... it's down?
[23:09:39] <CIA-13>	03rotem * r24569 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Clarification of a bugfix description.
[23:09:41] <TimLaqua>	Duesentrieb, isn't that log an extension only?
[23:09:57] <facefaceface>	Duesentrieb, dont' know, but its not on wikipedia that I want the list
[23:11:07] <Duesentrieb>	TimLaqua: may be... i thought it was only the special page that was an extension, but perhaps the data isn't logged per default
[23:11:11] <facefaceface>	well... I gots to go
[23:11:20] <TimLaqua>	hmm...
[23:11:20] <Duesentrieb>	facefaceface: see what i mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=
[23:11:20] <facefaceface>	nb
[23:11:59] <facefaceface>	ty
[23:12:04] <facefaceface>	night
[23:12:59] <Cbrown1023>	TimLaqua: where are you?
[23:13:06] <TimLaqua>	righ here
[23:13:09] <Cbrown1023>	:-P
[23:13:14] *Cbrown1023 	means geographically
[23:13:18] <TimLaqua>	you first
[23:13:38] <Cbrown1023>	umm, the US
[23:13:43] <TimLaqua>	MN, US
[23:14:16] <TimLaqua>	why, do I know you?
[23:17:49] <Dirigible>	Trying to get ConfirmEdit to work on a personal wiki. Everything works fine, with the exception of the $wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] , which I can't get to trigger. Any ideas why that might be, or should I file a bug report about it?
[23:23:20] <Cbrown1023>	TimLaqua: no, I was talking about the tech stuff
[23:23:23] <datura>	hi
[23:24:59] <Cbrown1023>	hello\
[23:35:50] <TimLaqua>	tech stuff?
[23:45:35] <Cbrown1023>	TimLaqua: I asked you if something was up for you
[23:45:40] <Cbrown1023>	it differs per location sometimes
[23:45:46] <Cbrown1023>	I wanted to see how far you were from me
[23:45:49] <TimLaqua>	oh, ha
[23:45:55] <TimLaqua>	ya, software error here.
[23:46:10] <TimLaqua>	Error: Too many connections
[23:46:12] <Cbrown1023>	yah
[23:46:17] <Cbrown1023>	same for all of us
[23:46:31] <TimLaqua>	poor bugzilla
[23:46:37] *TimLaqua 	sheds a tear
[23:56:39] <Technotyrant>	Hi
[23:56:53] <TimLaqua>	hi
[23:56:59] <Technotyrant>	Have a question about users of wikis
[23:57:12] <Technotyrant>	can you set it so only certain people can see certain pages
[23:58:05] <TimLaqua>	Not really, that's not what MediaWiki's designed for
[23:58:09] <TimLaqua>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Preventing_Access#Restrict_viewing_of_just_some_pages
[23:59:27] <Technotyrant>	ahh ok, read the info at the link, thanks