[00:03:11] <actionjackson>	any german here?
[00:31:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make MediaWiki: Sharedupload point to Commons with lang setting of that wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10827  +comment (10steinninn)
[00:56:02] <CIA-1>	03simetrical * r24692 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/common/shared.css): Revert r23649 for now; I'm 90% sure that the normal behavior in LaTeX for inline formulas is to wrap.
[00:57:33] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) texhtml needs nowrap - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10438  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:04:36] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Make customised BugZilla source available in Subversion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10711  +comment (10reflection)
[01:55:42] *Mhari 	peeks in.
[01:58:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make customised BugZilla source available in Subversion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10711  (10wmbugzilla)
[01:58:24] <Mhari>	Hi, I'm having a bit of trouble...
[02:04:06] <Mhari>	See, I not only managed to lose my admin password, but I apparently didn't specify a valid email address for that account.
[02:04:51] <Ryan_Lane|away>	thats a slightly painful problem ;)
[02:05:03] <Mhari>	and yes, I am a complete and hopeless n00b.  Please don't kill me. :o
[02:05:48] <Ryan_Lane|away>	do you have access to the database?
[02:05:54] <Mhari>	Last time I had an issue like this, someone told me it was possible to go into phpMyAdmin and fix it that way-- yes :)
[02:06:10] <Mhari>	(but I've forgotten what they told me to do. ;))
[02:06:52] <Ryan_Lane|away>	looking for the instructions. sec
[02:07:02] <Mhari>	thx!
[02:07:13] <Ryan_Lane|away>	do you have a non-admin account that has a password you know?
[02:07:38] <Ryan_Lane|away>	oh
[02:07:40] <Mhari>	Yes.
[02:07:54] <Ryan_Lane|away>	you can add an email address to the user's account through phpmyadmin
[02:08:30] <Ryan_Lane|away>	or you can take the password from the user you know, and use it for the admin's password
[02:08:40] <Mhari>	I sort of had a poke in that direction, but I'm not confident I know how to do it right.
[02:09:12] <Ryan_Lane|away>	the password will be a hash. just copy the one from the user you know, and modify the password field for the admin with the hash
[02:09:34] <Mhari>	Let's see -- if I go in to edit the admin user, it says user_email, and then a drop down, and then a text entry box.  I don't know what to select from the drop down though. 
[02:09:36] <Mhari>	Oh.  Hmm.
[02:09:56] <Ryan_Lane|away>	i actually have a hosted server that uses phpmyadmin, lemme see if I can guide you though it
[02:10:30] <Mhari>	I'm not sure what a hash is, but unless it's "BLOB - 0 bytes", it isn't one. :/
[02:10:41] <Mhari>	ok
[02:12:06] <Ryan_Lane|away>	i've never used phpmyadmin, so you'll have to bear with me
[02:12:38] <Mhari>	ok.
[02:13:13] <Ryan_Lane|away>	looks to me like the user_email field is a textbox
[02:13:28] <Mhari>	Yes.
[02:14:45] <Ryan_Lane|away>	hmm. looks like I just wiped out my password
[02:15:04] <Mhari>	agh!
[02:15:17] <Ryan_Lane|away>	heh. don't worry. it wasn't on an import site ;)
[02:15:34] <Ryan_Lane|away>	can you run queries?
[02:15:41] <Ryan_Lane|away>	without using the interface?
[02:16:02] <Mhari>	I have no idea how to do anything without using the interface. >_> I'm sorry.
[02:16:36] <Mhari>	There is a tab "Query" which I think is where I did something the other time.
[02:17:40] <Ryan_Lane|away>	oh. click the SQL tab
[02:18:27] <Mhari>	*does so*
[02:18:49] <Ryan_Lane|away>	do you know the user's user id?
[02:19:06] <Ryan_Lane|away>	go to your user table
[02:19:29] <Mhari>	Okay -- hang on.  Do I want to be in the SQL tab, or in the user table?
[02:19:45] <Ryan_Lane|away>	well, you'll need to get some information for the query
[02:19:54] <Mhari>	ah, okay.
[02:21:06] <Mhari>	Yep, I can see user id, user name, user touched (??), user token (??)...
[02:21:25] <Mhari>	the other stuff is blank, NULL, or those weird BLOB messages.
[02:22:46] <Ryan_Lane|away>	ok. you'll need to know the user id
[02:22:53] <Mhari>	Okay.  Got it.
[02:22:55] <Ryan_Lane|away>	UPDATE `user` SET `user_email` = 'testuser@gmail.com' WHERE `user`.`user_id` =2 ;
[02:23:20] <Ryan_Lane|away>	replace the email address, and then replace the 2 with the userid
[02:24:34] <Ryan_Lane|away>	put that into the text box in the SQL tab, and hit go
[02:25:08] <Mhari>	--there!
[02:25:14] <Mhari>	You've saved me! :D
[02:25:20] <Ryan_Lane|away>	now you can email yourself the password ;)
[02:25:49] <Mhari>	I have done so, I'm in!
[02:25:57] <Ryan_Lane|away>	cool. have fun
[02:25:58] <Mhari>	Thanks so much for being patient with me.
[02:26:19] <Ryan_Lane|away>	no prob. thanks for waiting on me to fumble through that interface :)
[02:26:41] <Mhari>	:D
[02:27:10] <Mhari>	Now to save this conversation for future reference, since it is inevitable that I will be dumb again in the future. *g*  Thanks again!
[04:13:38] <izzo>	hi i downloaded a skin for mediawiki, i put it in the skins folder, then i changed $wgDefaultSkin to the new skin's name in localsettings, but it doesnt seem to work
[04:13:40] <izzo>	am i missing something
[04:27:52] <jeremyb>	izzo: where'd you get it from?
[04:36:02] <izzo>	is everyone afk :(
[04:36:53] <Pathoschild>	Yep.
[04:37:22] <izzo>	lol, can you help me with a skin problem
[04:37:41] <izzo>	i asked a while ago and couldnt get any responses, do you know anything about skins
[04:37:52] <Pathoschild>	A little.
[04:37:55] <izzo>	i got a custom skin and im trying to use it, but i cant get it to work
[04:37:59] <izzo>	i put it into the skins folder
[04:38:08] <izzo>	and then changed $wgDefaultSkin to the new skin's name
[04:38:11] <izzo>	what else do i need to do
[04:38:33] <Pathoschild>	What do you mean by "it doesn't work"; it still shows the previous skin?
[04:38:52] <izzo>	ill show you http://samjlevy.com/wiki
[04:39:46] <izzo>	i guess this skin i downloaded could not be compat with the latest wiki version, i thought it said it was
[04:40:30] <izzo>	should it just be that simple though, as copying it to the directory?
[04:42:07] <Pathoschild>	The preferences page and JavaScript think you're using the "Classic" skin.
[04:43:17] <izzo>	hmmm i wonder how
[04:43:39] <Pathoschild>	Did you read < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Skins >?
[04:44:53] <izzo>	well it was a premade skin, but i did follow the steps for adding it to localsettings
[04:45:16] <izzo>	ill just try a different skin and see if it was just something with that one
[05:26:49] <Grigorious>	gays
[05:40:05] <Grigorious>	hey dudes
[05:40:07] <Grigorious>	let's fuck
[05:40:10] <Grigorious>	yeah!
[05:40:23] <Comets>	!op
[05:40:32] <puzzlet>	now he's doing it again
[05:40:40] <Comets>	yeah ;)
[05:41:38] <puzzlet>	was talking about that bulgarian troll
[05:41:47] <Grigorious>	bulgaria > US 
[05:41:49] <Grigorious>	bulgaria number one
[05:42:06] <Grigorious>	filthy teutonic-latinate scum
[05:42:10] <Grigorious>	slavs are superior
[05:43:25] <puzzlet>	whats wrong with bulgaria though
[05:43:36] <putterson>	lol
[05:43:56] <Grigorious>	bulgaria land of noble peoples who are better than you filthy american pigdogs
[05:44:07] <putterson>	im Canadian
[05:44:11] <putterson>	eh
[05:44:13] <Grigorious>	that's even worse
[05:44:26] <putterson>	heh
[05:44:32] <Grigorious>	canada land of communists who hate bulgaria
[05:44:38] <Grigorious>	and eat snow
[05:44:43] <Grigorious>	and speak french
[05:44:47] <putterson>	LOL
[05:44:50] <Grigorious>	and drink milk that comes in bags
[05:44:55] <Grigorious>	no canada is not okay by me
[05:45:03] <putterson>	homo milk none the less
[05:45:08] <Grigorious>	you're a homo milk
[05:45:14] <Grigorious>	american dog
[05:45:14] <domas>	this guy has a trouble
[05:45:31] <puzzlet>	condition maybe
[05:45:32] <putterson>	just a troll
[05:45:51] <putterson>	no staff available
[05:46:03] <puzzlet>	why does he think everyone around is american
[05:46:08] <Grigorious>	hello
[05:46:10] <putterson>	...
[05:46:10] <domas>	tagged!
[05:46:12] <Grigorious>	now i have voice
[05:46:29] <domas>	so, is there anything sensible you want to say? :)
[05:46:59] <Grigorious>	yeah
[05:47:22] <puzzlet>	he even spelled Gregorius wrong
[05:47:31] <putterson>	lol
[05:47:52] <Grigorious>	my name is grigory
[05:47:57] <Grigorious>	Горда Стара планина,
[05:47:57] <Grigorious>	до ней Дунава синей,
[05:47:57] <Grigorious>	слънце Тракия огрява,
[05:47:57] <Grigorious>	над Пирина пламеней.
[05:48:02] <domas>	ok
[05:48:05] <Grigorious>	Mила Родино,
[05:48:05] <Grigorious>	ти си земен рай,
[05:48:05] <Grigorious>	твойта хубост, твойта прелест, 
[05:48:05] <Grigorious>	ах, те нямат край
[05:48:08] <Grigorious>	Mила Родино,
[05:48:08] <Grigorious>	ти си земен рай,
[05:48:08] <Grigorious>	твойта хубост, твойта прелест, 
[05:48:10] <Grigorious>	ах, те нямат край
[05:48:14] <Grigorious>	Паднаха борци безчет
[05:48:16] <Grigorious>	за народа наш любим,
[05:48:18] <Grigorious>	майко, дай ни мъжка сила
[05:48:20] <Grigorious>	пътя им да продължим.
[05:48:26] <domas>	:(
[05:48:35] <puzzlet>	what was that Cyrillic?
[05:48:35] <Comets>	!op
[05:48:36] <Comets>	domas,  can you +b him ;)
[05:48:48] <putterson>	puzzlet yeah
[05:49:35] <Comets>	heh
[05:49:55] <putterson>	somebody translate that
[05:50:10] <puzzlet>	i cant read them since i've set encoding other than utf-8
[05:50:11] <GrigoryBulgar>	hello sirs
[05:50:22] <GrigoryBulgar>	do you acknowledge bulgaria's superiority
[05:50:27] <puzzlet>	to what
[05:50:29] <GrigoryBulgar>	over your silly juden country
[05:50:33] <Comets>	why did yo come back :(
[05:50:40] <domas>	hehe
[05:51:28] <Comets>	domas,  you can O_O
[05:51:34] <Comets>	>:(
[05:51:45] <domas>	what? :)
[05:51:59] <Comets>	why did you let him continue ;)
[05:52:23] <phantomsc>	hi all, why can be such a mistake: the number of articles in wiki is displayed incorrectly? (should be 125, displayed 65)? thanks in advance
[05:52:31] <Comets>	ED Trolls aren't welcome on Freenode ;)
[06:39:02] <CIA-1>	03yurik * r24693 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php: API: Added size property (rev_len)
[06:54:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) a mapping between AD does not lead to a recent change - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10848 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: WiktionaryZ; (Gerard.meijssen)
[06:57:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) on a 'back page' after a new record another new record is created - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10849 15enhancement; high; MediaWiki extensions: WiktionaryZ; (Gerard.meijssen)
[07:05:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mail does not work in Wikiproteins - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10850 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: WiktionaryZ; (Gerard.meijssen)
[07:07:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Cannot add annotations for Wikiproteins - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10851 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: WiktionaryZ; (Gerard.meijssen)
[07:12:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) timezone - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10852 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: WiktionaryZ; (Gerard.meijssen)
[07:18:00] <EK_123>	hi im looking for an authentication extension that ensures users login otherwise they cannot edit. Can someone tell me which one I should use?
[07:19:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Only allow the deletion of a DM when all its values are gone - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10853 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: WiktionaryZ; (Gerard.meijssen)
[07:27:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mark first expression and definition - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8092  normal->high (10Gerard.meijssen)
[07:28:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) capitalization not working in the Search box - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7084  (10Gerard.meijssen)
[07:36:58] <zocky>	is there a channel for js user scripts?
[07:37:23] <Raymond_>	zocky: not really
[07:37:45] <zocky>	ok, so I'll register #wikipedia-scripts and put a notice on the wikiproject talk page on en
[07:38:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add personal Common.css & Common.js - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10183  (10wmbugzilla)
[07:40:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add entries to robots.txt to block AFD/VFD/MFD - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4776  +comment (10wmbugzilla)
[07:45:32] <zocky>	everybody who's interested in javascript user tools on wikipedia, please join #wikipedia-scripts
[07:45:53] <chat-de-plafond>	lol advertising
[07:46:08] <chat-de-plafond>	don't encourage users to make scripts.. you'll make brion cry
[07:52:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Entries to robots.txt to block deletion requests at es: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6746  +comment (10wmbugzilla)
[08:05:41] <EK_123>	hi im looking for an authentication extension that ensures users login otherwise they cannot edit. Can someone tell me which one I should use?
[08:11:41] <rainman-sr>	EK_123: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Preventing_Access
[08:15:19] <Duesentrieb>	EK_123: you are *not* looking for an authentication extension, btw
[08:15:34] <Duesentrieb>	authorization != authentication
[08:18:25] <EK_123>	ohh ok thnx you both!!!
[08:31:59] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[08:34:03] <jeremyb>	hi
[08:42:12] <CIA-1>	03yurik * r24694 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiQueryAllpages.php ApiQueryExtLinksUsage.php): (log message trimmed)
[08:42:12] <CIA-1>	API:
[08:42:12] <CIA-1>	* Added rvprop=size to prop=revisions. Can get the size of all the revisions. The size will not be shown if it is NULL in the database.
[08:42:12] <CIA-1>	* (Experimental) list=allpages now allows to filter by article min/max size and
[08:42:12] <CIA-1>	protection status (thanks to [[en:user:madman]] for the idea). The database
[08:42:16] <CIA-1>	performance of this addition might be so severe that I might have to remove or
[08:42:18] <CIA-1>	restrict it.
[08:49:46] <odb|fidel_>	hello
[08:50:51] <odb|fidel_>	is it possible to paste C-Code to a mediawiki and let it display as source (including highliting) ?
[08:51:19] <odb|fidel_>	or do i need a plugin or similar ? if yes any keyword ?
[08:51:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	if you get the SyntaxHighlight GeSHi extension, yes
[08:51:39] <odb|fidel_>	ok thank you Jack_Phoenix 
[08:51:44] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[08:51:55] <odb|fidel_>	so it is ONLY possible via a plugin
[08:52:03] <odb|fidel_>	great, thank you again
[08:52:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[08:59:08] <odb|fidel_>	mh , i have /usr/share/mediawiki1.7/extensions/ AND /usr/share/mediawiki_extensions
[08:59:18] <odb|fidel_>	mh , i have /usr/share/mediawiki1.7/extensions/ AND /usr/share/mediawiki-extensions
[09:08:40] <jeremyb>	odb|fidel_: mh?
[09:09:29] <odb|fidel_>	well ignore it...i was just on my search for the matching extesnion location
[09:09:46] <odb|fidel_>	looks like it should be placed in /var/lib/mediawiki1.7/extensions
[09:38:23] <tgr>	hi
[09:38:35] <tgr>	is there an easy way to refresh all images?
[09:39:54] <tgr>	there are a zillion error message images due to a wrong permission setting, and i don't want to manually go through and change them all
[09:39:59] <tgr>	purge didn't help
[09:45:40] <tgr>	it seems that some required temp directory wasnt writable, but the math output directory was, so mediawiki saved an "error: cant writre directory" image there for each formula, and now believes those are the right images for the formulas
[09:45:54] <tgr>	adding \, didn't help either
[09:46:23] <tgr>	so there should be some sort of cache to delete
[09:53:29] <CIA-1>	03yurik * r24695 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiLogin.php: API: fixed bad login throttling bug (i hope)
[09:53:58] <jeremyb>	yurikny: ping
[09:54:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) wrong wait time returned after failed login - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10298  +comment (10yuriastrakhan)
[09:55:20] <yurikny>	jeremyb: pong
[09:56:09] <jeremyb>	yurikny: how should i eescape spaces in a uname for api.php?  for example http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&aulimit=1&auprop=groups|editcount&auprefix=$uname
[09:56:23] <jeremyb>	yurikny: +, _, %20 don't seem to work
[09:56:48] <yurikny>	%20 should
[09:56:55] <jeremyb>	yurikny: also it doesn't seem to do any normalization so that lowercase first letter guarantees null result
[09:57:24] <jeremyb>	not in my tests
[09:57:55] <yurikny>	hmm.. thx, will take a look. pls file a bug
[09:58:07] <jeremyb>	sure.  assign?
[09:58:14] <jeremyb>	and what about the normalization?
[09:58:14] <yurikny>	otherwise i might get distracted and forget :) 
[09:58:24] <yurikny>	that's more complex
[09:58:24] <jeremyb>	heh
[09:58:58] <yurikny>	not sure ... i doubt it should be passed through the title resolution
[09:59:07] <yurikny>	then again, maybe it should
[09:59:10] <yurikny>	pls file it too
[09:59:19] <yurikny>	will have to read core code
[09:59:31] <jeremyb>	right
[10:01:24] <jeremyb>	yurikny: should i file one for normalization too?  do you know where the routines are for page names?  (i wanted to use it for something else recently)
[10:01:31] <jeremyb>	yurikny: and assign to who?
[10:03:04] <dungodung>	hi yurikny 
[10:04:32] <yurikny>	hi dungodung 
[10:05:28] <yurikny>	jeremyb: as long as you set component=API, i will see it
[10:05:45] <jeremyb>	ok
[10:06:51] <laurly>	need template help please:  i have a template that includes a second template but the problem is the second template had already included the first so im getting double data. i have tryed playing with an if for {{PAGENAME}} but that wont work. and no include wont work becouse both templates get included into a page.  (yes i know this is confusing)
[10:07:01] <jeremyb>	yurikny: doesn't look like there's a dupe: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+%3Aapi+space
[10:07:28] *yurikny 	likes to create new bugs :)
[10:07:44] <jeremyb>	laurly: what are you trying to do?  why do you want to have them include each other?
[10:07:53] <jeremyb>	heh
[10:08:02] <laurly>	http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Dragonkin_Menace/Quest_chain  <-- first template
[10:08:13] <laurly>	http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:A_Crumpled_Up_Note/Quest_chain <-- second template
[10:08:28] <laurly>	http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Dragonkin_Menace <-- first template included into that page.
[10:08:55] <laurly>	the if on page name works but only in the template it self it doesnt work on the page that its included into and i would rather not have to edit all the pages...
[10:10:23] *laurly 	loves to come up with imposable templates
[10:12:40] <laurly>	i suspect im going to end up hard codeing them in each of the templates rather then includeing the templates which would have been nice
[10:17:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) can't pass username with space to api.php ( and prolly other chars that don't work) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10854 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (wmbugzilla)
[10:20:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) usernames passed to api.php are not normalized. lowercase first letter guarantees empty result set - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10855 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: API; (wmbugzilla)
[10:20:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) usernames passed to api.php are not normalized. lowercase first letter guarantees empty result set - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10855  (10wmbugzilla)
[10:40:11] <_Quintus_>	does mediawiki 1.10.1 work on mysql 4?
[10:42:00] <Raymond_>	_Quintus_: no, see channel topic
[10:42:30] <alnokta>	_Quintus_, 4.1 at least
[10:43:15] <_Quintus_>	ok, do you know what 1and1 uses? It is letting me choose between 4 and 5, but it says that 5 is often unstable on their servers...
[10:44:01] <alnokta>	nope...
[10:44:11] <_Quintus_>	ok thanks
[10:44:18] *jeremyb 	had bad experience with 1and1 (and didn't hear terribly good things about them either)
[10:44:23] <_Quintus_>	1and1 is a pretty terrible webhost
[10:44:29] <_Quintus_>	jeremyb, yeah
[10:44:51] *jeremyb 	chuckles
[10:45:05] <_Quintus_>	jeremyb, i hosted with them 5 years ago or so, and they were "ok"... but only because the website i was hosting was really basic, i've heard bad things about them too
[10:46:13] <alnokta>	dreamhost is very good, but expensive too
[10:52:38] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[11:00:55] <Nikerabbit>	hi hi
[11:16:16] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi Nikerabbit 
[11:16:23] <Nikerabbit>	hui
[11:18:01] <ThomasV_>	hi, is there a limit on acceptable page title? there could be a vulnerability here
[11:18:15] <flyingparchment>	255 bytes
[11:18:17] <ThomasV_>	see http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges
[11:18:19] <flyingparchment>	+ namespace
[11:18:37] <ThomasV_>	this user posted articles with extremely long titles
[11:18:50] <ThomasV_>	it makes recentchanges unreadable
[11:18:59] <flyingparchment>	so delete them
[11:19:03] <ThomasV_>	(or at least difficult to read)
[11:19:24] <ThomasV_>	sure, but I just wanted to know how long it could have been
[11:23:38] <alnokta>	is there a magicword that generates wikiname? ' &&&& wikipedia '
[11:23:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  using the editintro url argument forces a new line between minnor edit and watch this page box - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9252  (10webboy)
[11:23:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  using the editintro url argument forces a new line between minnor edit and watch this page box - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9252   +need-review +patch (10webboy)
[11:24:57] <Nikerabbit>	wikiname?
[11:25:35] <wikibugs>	03(VERIFIED) Impossible to create page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10767  (10webboy)
[11:26:32] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit, yes.. like 'English Wikipedia' 'Hindu Wikitionary' etc
[11:27:31] <JmiXII1>	hello
[11:27:45] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: that's not sitename prefixed with language
[11:27:51] <Nikerabbit>	s/not//
[11:28:15] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit, so it is __sitename__?
[11:30:29] <Nikerabbit>	{{sitename}} is sitename
[11:31:11] <alnokta>	thanks rabbit :)
[11:36:08] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit, thats not working!
[11:36:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	{{SITENAME}}
[11:36:25] <Jack_Phoenix>	^should work
[11:40:43] <alnokta>	si
[11:40:55] <Pamal>	hi, how where do i reset the admin password to make a new one?
[11:41:10] <Pamal>	if it has been forgotten
[11:42:13] <Pamal>	i know i could do this via phpmyadmin, or with the sql console, the question is which table
[11:42:24] <Pamal>	and will it work that way
[11:42:50] <emrezer>	hi does anyone knows how to control robots.txt to not indexs some urls on mediawiki? I dont want special pages to be indexed on google...
[11:46:19] <PunkRock>	emrezer: did you look at: http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/norobots.html?
[11:46:40] <PunkRock>	look at the examples. that should do it for you.
[11:48:21] <emrezer>	I looked o them but its not working for /%C3%96ze:.... pages
[11:49:04] <emrezer>	when I write  Disallow: /http://www......org/%C3%96zel:Specialpage
[11:49:10] <emrezer>	s
[11:49:16] <emrezer>	its not working
[11:49:39] <flyingparchment>	emrezer: did you really write /http:// ?
[11:49:50] <emrezer>	yes I copy paste
[11:49:59] <flyingparchment>	don't put the http
[11:50:05] <flyingparchment>	just write Disallow: /wiki/%C3%96zel:Specialpage
[11:50:08] <flyingparchment>	or whatever the path is
[11:50:18] <emrezer>	oke let me try it
[11:51:10] <emrezer>	okey its working
[11:51:12] <emrezer>	mm
[11:51:20] <emrezer>	I used a write rule
[11:51:33] <tuxillo>	hi
[11:51:44] <emrezer>	should I use block the normal and rewrited url both
[11:51:45] <emrezer>	?
[11:52:31] <PunkRock>	i would block them both
[11:52:35] <tuxillo>	i've recenlty installed mediwiki and i've noticed that there's only a navigation bar at left in the monobook style
[11:52:42] <tuxillo>	but i want to categorize all my content
[11:52:54] <tuxillo>	and add another navigation bar with categories at left
[11:53:00] <emrezer>	okey thank you very much
[11:53:00] <tuxillo>	but i don't know how to do that
[11:54:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Import on wiktionary NL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10856 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Annabel)
[11:56:46] <tuxillo>	i think someone has several sidebars at left
[11:58:34] <emrezer>	do you have any offer for me wat to disallow on my wiki to indexing robots?
[12:28:04] <CIA-1>	03yurik * r24696 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SiteStats.php SpecialStatistics.php): Statistics code cleanup, fixed multiple db reload bug.
[12:35:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) #ifexist: produces an entry in links list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10857 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (kalan.001)
[12:36:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ordermethod ignored in form 2 [param1, param2] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10858 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: DynamicPageList2; (mediawiki_bug)
[12:37:30] <EK_123>	hello, is it possible to edit the navigation bar?
[12:37:39] <flyingparchment>	yes edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
[12:38:01] <EK_123>	thnx you
[12:39:54] <CIA-1>	03yurik * r24697 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQuerySiteinfo.php): API: Added site statistics (siprop=statistics for meta=siteinfo)
[12:40:23] <EK_123>	flyingparchment, you know also how to edit the toolbar by chance?
[12:40:30] <flyingparchment>	you cant easily
[12:41:01] <EK_123>	well it is not really needed, but I was wondering what this permalink is
[12:41:41] <snoops>	Just a quickie.. What's the wiki code for sourcecode pasting? So I can post the source for something, code snippets etc and they show up in verbatim(like using a pre tag), and possibly highlight as well?
[12:42:04] <^demon>	<source>...</source>
[12:42:07] <flyingparchment>	snoops: <pre>, or prefix each line with a space, or install the geshi syntax hilighting extesion
[12:42:29] *snoops 	hits head.. thanks ^demon I feel like a right dick now
[12:43:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	err
[12:43:19] <Jack_Phoenix>	<source> is not in the core code
[12:43:22] <Jack_Phoenix>	it's an extension
[12:43:37] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[12:43:39] <snoops>	oh
[12:43:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import on wiktionary NL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10856  +comment (10folmer.jaap)
[12:45:39] <snoops>	Well cheers Jack_Phoenix and flyingparchment
[13:04:51] <tuxillo>	flyingparchment: is it possible to add more sidebars?
[13:05:20] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) #ifexist: produces an entry in links list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10857  +comment (10brion)
[13:06:12] <Duesentrieb>	tuxillo: read the documentation for the sidebar...
[13:08:31] <phantomsc>	hi! why on our wiki the number of articles is incorrect (lesser)?
[13:10:45] <Kalan>	phantomsc, tried to purge statistics page you are watching on?
[13:11:52] <phantomsc>	Kalan: sorry, how to do that?
[13:11:52] <snoops>	hmm getting one error in now.. Fatal error: Call to undefined method ParserOutput::addHeadItem() in /wiki/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.class.php on line 66 
[13:11:55] <Kalan>	brion-office, O RLY? (about your comment on bug 10857)
[13:12:23] <Jack_Phoenix>	snoops: have you downloaded GeSHi library?
[13:12:53] <Kalan>	phantomsc, add ?action=purge to the page's URL
[13:13:09] <snoops>	I downloaded the svn one and placed it in a folder called geshi inside the SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi folder as per the instructions
[13:13:29] <phantomsc>	Kalan: we will try now, just a minute
[13:13:35] <snoops>	inside that geshi folder is geshi.php and another geshi folder which holds each language type renderer
[13:18:39] <tuxillo>	Duesentrieb: i haven't found docu related with adding other sidebars
[13:18:59] <phantomsc>	Kalan: doesn't help, unfortunately :(
[13:19:20] <PunkRock>	j/jsakdlfasdf
[13:20:00] <Kalan>	hmm... so tell me, what is your wiki, what url do you use to get the count and what the real one is
[13:20:18] <phantomsc>	http://anticopyright.ru/
[13:20:50] <phantomsc>	Kalan: the counter is on the main page, and you can see on specials (all) that there are twice more pages...
[13:21:36] <phantomsc>	65 is shown on main page, and 125 total are in the DB
[13:28:15] <phantomsc>	Kalan: any ideas?
[13:33:34] <zocky>	flyingparchment, here?
[13:33:59] <flyingparchment>	zocky: only if it's not about mediawiki, or really important
[13:34:29] <zocky>	it's about mw and i'ts not urgent, but it's important long term, so if you don't have time now...
[13:35:03] <zocky>	(i think I've invented a nasty attack method, but i'm not sure, and I sure don't want to WP:BEANS)
[13:36:36] <flyingparchment>	i don't care, mail brion
[13:36:38] <flyingparchment>	:)
[13:37:11] <zocky>	good :)
[13:39:32] <snoops>	any idea on that Jack_Phoenix? I just got rid of the svn and downloaded the latest/extracted manually, and same error
[13:39:42] <Jack_Phoenix>	hmm
[13:39:48] <Jack_Phoenix>	where is the GeSHi placed?
[13:40:07] <Duesentrieb>	what, geshi itself, or the hightlite extension that uses it?
[13:40:49] <snoops>	/wiki/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/geshi/geshi.php
[13:42:06] <Jack_Phoenix>	very odd...
[13:42:12] <Jack_Phoenix>	that *should* be correct
[13:44:09] <snoops>	sounds like syntaxhighlight is trying to call a nonexistant method in geshi
[13:46:54] <Kuja^>	hmm any idea why $wgScriptPath would be ignored only when the user isn't logged in? im using $wgUsePathInfo also
[13:52:36] <rom1v>	hi
[13:54:26] <CIA-1>	03bartek * r24698 10/trunk/extensions/SimplifiedRegex/SimplifiedRegex.php: corrections
[13:56:07] <rom1v>	Hi
[13:59:36] <rom1v>	I can modify a page when I am "anonymous"
[13:59:39] <rom1v>	but not when I am logged
[14:00:12] <rom1v>	...
[14:01:31] <rom1v>	can anybody help me?
[14:02:08] <EK_123>	yeah
[14:02:24] <EK_123>	you want anonymous editing turned off?
[14:02:30] <rom1v>	no, when I modify a wiki page
[14:02:40] <rom1v>	as anonymous, it's ok it works
[14:02:43] <rom1v>	but when I am logged
[14:02:46] <rom1v>	it doesn't work !
[14:03:01] <EK_123>	hmm im sorry i cannot help you then....im just an user :(
[14:03:07] <Fahim>	Hi Guys
[14:03:12] <EK_123>	hi Fahim
[14:03:29] <rom1v>	as an approximative translation, the message is : "sorry! we can't register your modification because of a loss of your session. Try again, if it fails again, please disconnect and reconnect"
[14:03:32] <Fahim>	Is there any option to hide my mediawiki, so that someone can only see my wiki after logging in?
[14:03:38] <rom1v>	but event after disconnection/reconnection
[14:03:40] <rom1v>	same problem
[14:04:53] <Fahim>	Or is there any possibility to creat user accounts and people without user account cant see anything?! Searched for such a option but I did not find it
[14:05:17] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access ...
[14:05:52] <rom1v>	:(
[14:06:18] <Fahim>	ok thank you very much I will read that
[14:06:24] <snoops>	hmm.. if I don't set a lang attribute I get a message asking to set one
[14:06:32] <snoops>	but as soon as I set one, it's all down hill
[14:07:53] <snoops>	but yep, same error on line 66.. :(
[14:08:48] <rom1v>	how is it possible to "backup" all the wiki?
[14:08:58] <rom1v>	just by saving the sql database, or something else to do?
[14:09:09] <EK_123>	copy your the direcoty
[14:09:14] <EK_123>	and copy your database
[14:09:18] <rom1v>	oki
[14:09:31] <EK_123>	use phpmyadmin for backup your database
[14:09:37] <EK_123>	it works ok with me :)
[14:09:54] <rom1v>	another very little question, I added a page, in a categorie, but how to show the list of categories on the home page?
[14:10:27] <EK_123>	goto special pages
[14:10:31] <EK_123>	and then categories
[14:13:04] <rom1v>	ok, thx, but is it possible to show the list of categories on the home page?
[14:15:28] <Duesentrieb>	categorytree is one way to do it
[14:15:34] <Duesentrieb>	dpl is another
[14:18:48] <EK_123>	is it possible to link an image to an external link?
[14:19:06] <EK_123>	so when I click on an image then it will go to i.e. www.google.nl
[14:19:17] <EK_123>	seems like there is nothing on the mediawiki pages about this....
[14:19:32] <Duesentrieb>	search for "navigational images"
[14:19:40] <EK_123>	thank you
[14:19:42] <Duesentrieb>	it's possible, but should be avoided, and it's... tricky
[14:21:30] <EK_123>	why
[14:21:45] <EK_123>	its internal...and very good secured...so i think it should be ok
[14:22:16] <Kalan>	EK_123, http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Imagemap should help you
[14:22:29] <Kalan>	or http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap ... try both links, one of them should work
[14:23:56] <EK_123>	Kalan and Duesentrieb, none of those sites is describing what I need :/
[14:24:26] <Kalan>	EK_123, with ImageMap, you can make some picture clickable to the target that you want
[14:24:48] <EK_123>	well...its not explained on those pages, im sorry I will install and test
[14:26:54] <juxo>	Hi Tim
[14:27:00] <TimStarling>	hi
[14:27:47] <Fahim>	Hi anycan someone pls test if my website is working:
[14:27:51] <juxo>	TimStarling: Can you expend me a few minutes to get me up to speed with modern template usage. All I know is {{tamplate_name|value 1| value 2}}
[14:27:54] <Fahim>	http://fahim.myddns.com/mediawiki
[14:28:47] <juxo>	Main Page loads nicely Fahim you are on your way to zukunft Fahim.
[14:29:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow Extension to Define Implicit Groups - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10859 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (seventowers)
[14:29:48] <Fahim>	hehe thx @juxo
[14:29:49] <Fahim>	:)
[14:29:57] <Fahim>	have to go now
[14:29:58] <Fahim>	bye bye
[14:31:12] <juxo>	TimStarling: another thing. does mediawiki support directly forms where user fills in details and submits and it creates a page/section/template ?
[14:31:30] <juxo>	or is that something by walden @ wikicompany ?
[14:32:05] <juxo>	TimStarling: what I mean is like http://wikicompany.org/wiki/Special:WCPublish
[14:32:51] <juxo>	.
[14:32:52] <juxo>	.
[14:32:53] <juxo>	.
[14:33:01] <juxo>	no-one want's to help poor juxo
[14:33:08] <juxo>	buggers
[14:33:17] <juxo>	<- sad
[14:33:25] <dungodung>	don't do that
[14:33:59] <juxo>	dungodung: waht?
[14:34:23] <dungodung>	writing "." and whinespamming us 
[14:35:01] <Jack_Phoenix>	flooding is annoying
[14:35:03] <Jack_Phoenix>	it'll get you kicked and you can be sure nobody's gonna answer
[14:35:28] <juxo>	I've gotten no anwser from anyone regarding plans for new wikis
[14:35:51] <dungodung>	that doesn't mean nobody read them
[14:37:39] <juxo>	so I should go browse wp source to see how they work these days and learn there and not bother you?
[14:39:22] <juxo>	I need a template for almost every category -> http://82.181.228.230/  and I haven't got a clue. Life has been very hard and haven't been up to speed on mw and wp and wm developments
[14:39:40] <juxo>	<- n00b
[14:39:48] <EK_123>	Kalan, I would like to thank you. I figured out now :D
[14:40:01] <Kalan>	EK_123, np ;0
[14:40:02] <Kalan>	;)
[14:42:58] <juxo>	[[Category:Ethical sourcing guidelines since YYYY]] and such..
[14:44:32] <juxo>	ok ok . [[Special:AllTemplates]] or something. I'll shut up now
[14:49:31] <juxo>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Olympics_infobox got me sorted
[14:49:34] <juxo>	:)
[14:54:57] <TimStarling>	juxo, I'm a busy guy
[14:55:09] <TimStarling>	you should probably try the manual before you try me
[14:56:10] <juxo>	I'm re-reading the camel to not bother the folks at #perl. Sorry to have bothered j00 lot
[14:58:16] <CIA-1>	03greg * r24699 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (postgres/tables.sql tables.sql): Add rc_patrolling index to Postgres schema
[15:04:07] <CIA-1>	03greg * r24700 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updaters.inc: Add rc_patrolling index for Postgres
[15:08:24] <rom1v>	hi again
[15:08:50] <rom1v>	even at my accomodation, I have the same problem for modifications
[15:08:53] <rom1v>	I have a problem to modify wiki pages. When I am anonymous, all is ok, I can modify. But if I'm logged as ®om (my nickname, as administrator nick), when I submit, I have this message (as an approximative translation) :
[15:08:53] <rom1v>	"Sorry ! We can't register your modification because of a lost of information about your session. Please try again. If it fails, please disconnect, then reconnect"
[15:08:53] <rom1v>	Of course after disconnection/reconnection, the problem is the same...
[15:08:53] <rom1v>	Any idea?
[15:09:21] <aton`>	does anyone know an extension that makes a real search possible, like searching for substrings of pages with wildcards at the beginning etc
[15:09:58] <aton`>	i am having problems finding pages when i dont know the exact name
[15:20:57] <rom1v>	ok for my problem, I had to create a /sessions directory :)
[15:27:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Unparsed Variable in Templates with a Wiki-Markup extension, like: < myext name="{{{1|}}}">.. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10860 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (sent)
[15:34:49] <emrezer>	hi anyone knows how to add a meta tag to the home page of  my wiki?
[15:35:01] <VasilievVV>	Meta tag?
[15:40:46] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Unparsed Variable in Templates with a Wiki-Markup extension, like: <myext name="{{{1|}}}">.. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10860  +comment (10danny_b)
[15:40:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  +comment (10danny_b)
[15:42:09] <TimStarling>	someone else has been working on ImagePage.php while I was away
[15:45:06] <emrezer>	yes meta tag
[15:45:38] <emrezer>	it helps me to verify that I own the site...
[16:17:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add additional import sources for Dutch Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10856  summary (10robchur)
[16:20:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) #ifexist: produces an entry in links list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10857  (10robchur)
[16:29:58] <XisZ>	Hi guys
[16:30:02] <XisZ>	I need some help
[16:30:26] <XisZ>	How do I make it that only certain groups of people can edit my wiki
[16:30:30] <XisZ>	As in, staff only
[16:30:35] <XisZ>	and the rest of the world can read it
[16:30:43] <XisZ>	and discuss
[16:31:45] <XisZ>	(P.S.) I tried reading the wikimanual, and google- and still I cant find what im looking for
[16:35:05] <emrezer>	XisZ: did you read this article? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[16:36:27] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r24701 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt includes/User.php): 
[16:36:27] <CIA-1>	* (bug 10859) Introduce 'UserGetImplicitGroups' hook; see docs/hooks.txt for more information
[16:36:27] <CIA-1>	* Move the list of implicit groups in User::getAllGroups() to a new User::getImplicitGroups() method so there's no confusion over where to add these
[16:37:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow Extension to Define Implicit Groups - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10859  +comment (10robchur)
[16:37:52] <XisZ>	Thanks alot guys
[16:37:56] <XisZ>	this helped me out alot
[16:38:03] <XisZ>	I never did read that
[16:38:14] <XisZ>	I have it working now
[16:51:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Auto-login fails after password reset - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10861 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (pathoschild)
[16:52:42] <diabeatus2>	is it possible to link to images outside the wiki and embed them?
[16:53:01] <Pathoschild>	diabeatus2: Yes; there's a configuration setting you can enable to do it.
[16:54:08] <Pathoschild>	diabeatus2: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Other_files
[16:54:24] <diabeatus2>	4T3hank 4Y3ou
[16:54:45] <Pathoschild>	Welcome. Do you know how to edit LocalSettings.php ?
[16:55:16] <diabeatus2>	vi work ;-)
[17:19:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Install hangs after Creating tables... in database - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10862 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (aramatev)
[17:22:11] <TimStarling>	ah, it was rob
[17:25:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  +comment (10alefzet)
[17:25:36] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  (10alefzet)
[17:26:02] <TimStarling>	hehe
[17:26:07] <TimStarling>			// FIXME: It would be nice to show the duration (sound files) or
[17:26:07] <TimStarling>			// width/height/duration (video files) here, but this needs some
[17:26:07] <TimStarling>			// additional media handler work
[17:26:10] <TimStarling>	speaking of which...
[17:31:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install hangs after Creating tables... in database - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10862  (10aramatev)
[17:34:46] <CIA-1>	03greg * r24702 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DatabasePostgres.php): 
[17:34:46] <CIA-1>	Multi-insert appeared in Postgres 8.2, not 8.1
[17:34:46] <CIA-1>	Bug #10763.
[17:34:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install hangs after Creating tables... in database - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10862  (10aramatev)
[17:35:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Adding multiple categories to an article fails when using PostgreSQL 8.1 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10763  +comment (10greg)
[18:13:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Links on commons upload summaries do not link to commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10863 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[18:13:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Links on commons upload summaries do not link to commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10863  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[18:17:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Links on commons upload summaries do not link to commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10863  minor->trivial; normal->lowest (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[18:34:44] <CIA-1>	03nhuffschmid * r24703 10/trunk/wap/ (36 files in 10 dirs): 
[18:34:44] <CIA-1>	HawPedia merge step 1:
[18:34:44] <CIA-1>	added languages (cs,hu,pt,sr)
[18:34:44] <CIA-1>	fixed parser issue (invalid wiki syntax)
[18:37:53] <rom1v>	hi
[18:38:42] <Zelaron>	Does anyone know where to reset the password for a user, or change their e-mail address?
[18:40:12] <Jack_Phoenix>	use phpMyAdmin, Zelaron
[18:40:20] <Jack_Phoenix>	or install the Password Reset extension
[18:45:46] <VoiceOfAll>	brion-office: I still don't like the page title when confirming file reverts
[19:09:00] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r24704 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Be consistent
[19:11:09] <Zelaron>	Thanks Jack_Phoenix.
[19:11:17] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[19:15:27] <CIA-1>	03david * r24705 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (99 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[19:15:27] <CIA-1>	Merged revisions 24632-24693 via svnmerge from
[19:15:27] <CIA-1>	svn+ssh://david@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3
[19:15:27] <CIA-1>	........
[19:15:27] <CIA-1>	 r24636 | raymond | 2007-08-06 15:34:06 -0700 (Mon, 06 Aug 2007) | 2 lines
[19:15:30] <CIA-1>	 Message 'alreadyloggedin' since a long time not used in MediaWiki core, only 1 usage the in OpenID extension.
[19:15:33] <CIA-1>	 Moving message to OpenID and rename it to stick with the naming convention.
[19:18:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add an edit count requirement to autoconfirmed level - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10864 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (royalguard11)
[19:20:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgAutoconfirmCount to 20 for English Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10864   +shell; summary (10robchur)
[19:48:32] <alxndr>	Any bot-writing experience here? I'm putting together a bot to create a bunch of pages, and wondering which is better: to craft HTTP requests and create the pages through the web, or run it on the webserver and write to databases directly. What kind of database work does Mediawiki do when new pages are created?
[19:49:14] <facefacefaceface>	alxndr, python?
[19:49:28] <alxndr>	yep
[19:49:30] <facefacefaceface>	alxndr, it does a lot... it seems easier to fake html
[19:49:39] <facefacefaceface>	alxndr, #pywikipediabot :-)
[19:49:52] <alxndr>	aha.
[19:50:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh i18n updates for extensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7971  +comment (10alefzet)
[19:50:01] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r24706 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/interwiki.sql: Prune some dead links, remove a couple invalid entries, and update some dead links where possible
[19:50:08] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Kazakh i18n updates for extensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7971  (10alefzet)
[19:50:39] <robchurch>	Run it on the application server, and use a maintenance script like maintenance/importTextFile.php.
[19:55:53] <alxndr>	robchurch, that's perfect, thanks!
[20:00:18] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r24707 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 10832) Include user information when viewing a deleted revision
[20:02:15] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r24708 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUndelete.php): Fix XHTML
[20:04:02] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r24709 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Mention the other fix
[20:04:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add link to user when viewing deleted edits in Special:Undelete - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10832  +comment (10robchur)
[20:23:51] <rom1v>	hi
[20:24:18] <rom1v>	how can I add a "section" in the left of the wiki-site, lke on mediawiki there is "site" "download" "support" "development"
[20:24:19] <rom1v>	...
[20:24:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	edit MediaWiki:Sidebar
[20:24:36] <rom1v>	?
[20:24:38] <rom1v>	where?
[20:25:34] <rom1v>	?
[20:28:01] <rom1v>	I wrote "MediaWiki:Sidebar" in the textfield
[20:28:02] <rom1v>	I have a page
[20:28:10] <rom1v>	navigation
[20:28:10] <rom1v>	    * mainpage|mainpage
[20:28:10] <rom1v>	    * portal-url|portal
[20:28:10] <rom1v>	    * currentevents-url|currentevents
[20:28:10] <rom1v>	    * recentchanges-url|recentchanges
[20:28:11] <rom1v>	    * randompage-url|randompage
[20:28:13] <rom1v>	    * helppage|help
[20:28:15] <rom1v>	    * sitesupport-url|sitesupport
[20:28:22] <rom1v>	that I can modify
[20:28:34] <rom1v>	but, what have I to change?
[20:28:36] <Jack_Phoenix>	yes, but please don't paste text directly to the channge
[20:28:39] <Jack_Phoenix>	*channel
[20:28:41] <rom1v>	ok
[20:28:49] <Jack_Phoenix>	 Don't paste text to the channel, use http://mediawiki.pastey.net 
[20:28:51] <Jack_Phoenix>	-topic
[20:29:21] <rom1v>	what have I to change?
[20:29:38] <Jack_Phoenix>	depends on what you want to change
[20:29:50] <rom1v>	for example if I want to add a section "download"
[20:29:52] <rom1v>	on the left
[20:30:03] <Jack_Phoenix>	you would add *download
[20:30:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	and then some subitems
[20:30:11] <rom1v>	with 3 link "for Linux" "for Windows" "for MAC"
[20:30:22] <Jack_Phoenix>	like **for Linux|For Linux
[20:30:23] <Jack_Phoenix>	etc.
[20:30:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	FAQ has a section about this, I believe
[20:30:47] <rom1v>	ah yes, I didn't understand because it is not in the same language:
[20:31:02] <rom1v>	on my menu I have "accueil", in Sidebar I have "mainpage|mainpage"
[20:31:07] <rom1v>	where are the mappings?
[20:34:51] <Pathoschild>	rom1v: See http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Interface/Sidebar
[20:35:14] <Pathoschild>	Sorry, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[20:35:23] <rom1v>	There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page.
[20:35:34] <Pathoschild>	Try the second link.
[20:36:00] <rom1v>	;)
[20:37:03] <rom1v>	ok thx
[20:37:31] <rom1v>	And how to add the list of categories on the main page?
[20:38:13] <Pathoschild>	Which list of categories?
[20:38:27] <rom1v>	I would like to show on the main page all categories available in the wiki
[20:38:46] <rom1v>	automatically
[20:39:13] <Pathoschild>	rom1v: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
[20:39:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	try the Wiki Category Tag Cloud extension: http://static.wiki-tools.com/wiki/Extension:Wiki_Category_Tag_Cloud
[20:39:37] <rom1v>	ok thx
[20:39:44] <rom1v>	my first extension ^^
[20:41:09] <Pathoschild>	Welcome. 
[20:41:15] *Pathoschild 	hates tag clouds.
[20:41:39] <Jack_Phoenix>	[[Bah!}}
[20:41:41] <Jack_Phoenix>	*{{
[20:42:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	IIRC, CategoryTree doesn't work too well
[20:42:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	if the wiki is using ugly URLs
[20:46:54] <CIA-1>	03raymond * r24710 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_cn.php MessagesKk_kz.php MessagesKk_tr.php): 
[20:46:54] <CIA-1>	* (bug 10367) Update Kazakh translations
[20:46:54] <CIA-1>	 Patch by AlefZet
[20:47:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:01:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) texhtml needs nowrap - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10438  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:07:29] <CIA-1>	03raymond * r24711 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
[21:07:29] <CIA-1>	* (bug 7971) Update Kazakh extension translations
[21:07:29] <CIA-1>	 Patch by AlefZet
[21:07:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Kazakh i18n updates for extensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7971  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:08:05] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Thumbnails not working any more - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10450  +comment (10huji.huji)
[21:08:41] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Installing DeletedContributions extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10464  (10huji.huji)
[21:09:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Installing DeletedContributions extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10464  +comment (10huji.huji)
[21:11:23] <PetarM>	hi
[21:11:44] <PetarM>	is it normal that in all textareas the last line is empty?
[21:11:48] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Image size too big - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9801  +comment (10huji.huji)
[21:13:13] <facefacefaceface>	is there a magic word for $wgSitename ?
[21:13:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	{{SITENAME}}
[21:13:41] <facefacefaceface>	Who thought of that ! 
[21:13:45] <facefacefaceface>	(thanks)
[21:14:29] <facefacefaceface>	I am trying [[{{SITENAME}}:sidebar]] .. how come it doesn't work?
[21:16:14] *facefacefaceface 	hates tag clouds too!
[21:16:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	{{NS_PROJECT}}:Sidebar
[21:16:34] <Jack_Phoenix>	should work
[21:17:05] <facefacefaceface>	what is the diff?
[21:17:13] <facefacefaceface>	(lemmy check ;)
[21:17:41] <CIA-1>	03rotem * r24712 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[21:17:55] <Duesentrieb>	err.
[21:18:04] <facefacefaceface>	far from working...
[21:18:05] <Duesentrieb>	sidebar is not in the project namespace.
[21:18:25] <Duesentrieb>	facefacefaceface: just use canonical namespace names.
[21:18:33] <Duesentrieb>	they always work.
[21:18:39] <facefacefaceface>	agh! where is the sidebar!
[21:18:47] <Duesentrieb>	MediaWiki:sidebar
[21:18:48] <facefacefaceface>	what is canonical namespace names?
[21:18:56] <facefacefaceface>	Duesentrieb, curse that W ;-)
[21:19:07] <Duesentrieb>	facefacefaceface: english names (User, Image, Project, etc).
[21:19:16] <Duesentrieb>	they always work, no matter what your language setting is
[21:19:28] <facefacefaceface>	[[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] is a red link :(
[21:19:34] <facefacefaceface>	ty Duesentrieb 
[21:19:43] <Duesentrieb>	facefacefaceface: if you didn't define it, it's red.
[21:19:53] <facefacefaceface>	Doh... magic!
[21:20:25] <Duesentrieb>	system message pages are odd that way: they may have content even if they don't exist
[21:20:32] <Duesentrieb>	(their content is then taken from the language file)
[21:20:37] <facefacefaceface>	thanks Duesentrieb 
[21:20:41] <Duesentrieb>	np
[21:21:02] <facefacefaceface>	does <includeonly> work on such pages?
[21:21:07] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[21:21:10] <Duesentrieb>	it's not a template
[21:21:25] <Duesentrieb>	it's a system message. big difference.
[21:21:41] <facefacefaceface>	thanks again... g2g
[21:34:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgAutoconfirmCount to 20 for English Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10864  (10seropith)
[21:34:29] <Tom-Servo>	hey how can I restart mediawiki so it loads in changes?
[21:34:42] <Tom-Servo>	or am I doing something wrong... hmm
[21:34:54] <Duesentrieb>	it restarts on every page load
[21:34:59] <Duesentrieb>	(as php scripts do)
[21:35:14] <Duesentrieb>	you may be fooled by caching, though
[21:35:22] <Duesentrieb>	Tom-Servo: what are you trying to change, and how?
[21:35:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgAutoconfirmCount to 20 for English Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10864  (10seropith)
[21:35:58] <Tom-Servo>	one sec
[21:36:31] <Tom-Servo>	changed $wgEnableUploads  to true in localsettings.php
[21:36:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgAutoconfirmCount to 20 for English Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10864  (10seropith)
[21:37:08] <Duesentrieb>	Tom-Servo: should work right away.
[21:37:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgAutoconfirmCount to 20 for English Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10864  (10seropith)
[21:37:50] <Tom-Servo>	hmm
[21:38:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgAutoconfirmCount to 20 for English Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10864  (10seropith)
[21:38:27] <tehj>	Randomly my MediaWiki keeps timing out with "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" when logging in... I've looked at the debug and can see no difference between a successful login and a "bad" one, and this never happens with Firefox
[21:38:53] <Tom-Servo>	still says uploads disabled 
[21:39:39] <Duesentrieb>	where in your localsettings did you put the new line? or did you modify the existing line?
[21:40:03] <Tom-Servo>	modifed an existing line in..
[21:40:22] <Tom-Servo>	/var/lib/mediawiki1.7/LocalSettings.php
[21:40:37] <Tom-Servo>	though the changes spread to the other localsettings file too
[21:41:03] <Duesentrieb>	"other localsettings file"? ugh. well, i hope it's just a symblink
[21:41:23] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, linux packages of mediawiki often do strange shit.
[21:41:31] <Tom-Servo>	yeah a sym link
[21:41:36] <Tom-Servo>	wasn't sure
[21:41:37] <Duesentrieb>	it may not have the auto-purge magic...
[21:42:45] <Duesentrieb>	Tom-Servo: err... i don't know if the purge-on-edit magic works with a symblink.
[21:43:04] <Tom-Servo>	I edited the non link one 
[21:43:11] <Duesentrieb>	Tom-Servo: try touching the symblink in mediawiki's web root
[21:43:49] <Duesentrieb>	Tom-Servo: yes, well. wenn the config file is loaded, it looks at its own timestamp to check if it was modified. but the symlink was not modified. so it doesn't notice.
[21:44:09] <Duesentrieb>	so, touch it and see. and report this issue to the package maintainer.
[21:44:34] <Tom-Servo>	ok sec
[21:45:43] <fa>	Hi
[21:45:53] <fa>	I need someone with knowledge of chinesse language
[21:49:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Nomination Doesn't Work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10865 major; high; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (aag)
[21:51:02] <Tom-Servo>	oh there we go
[21:51:45] <Tom-Servo>	I thought I looked through the settings but later in the file there was a false on the enable uploads, doh
[21:52:01] <effthis>	i'm trying to convert a twiki install into mediawiki using a script.  it fires off proper sql, but it is apparently trying to import into ${mediawikidb}.cur.  that table doesn't exist on my installation, is that something that used to be around but is now deprecated?  is there another table i should be using instead?
[21:57:29] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: the cur table is from the 1.4 days. gone for a couple of years now.
[21:57:44] <effthis>	is there an analog in the current schema?
[21:57:49] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[21:58:09] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: anything that wabts to import into mediawiki should generate a mediawiki dump xml.
[21:58:19] <effthis>	all this script does is generate sql that will insert into either cur or images
[21:58:20] <Duesentrieb>	that's safe against schema changes, and also much simpler to do
[21:58:28] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: then the script is worthless.
[21:59:03] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: you can try to change it to output xml that mw will understand. but youÄll be rewriting half of it.
[21:59:08] <effthis>	if i import this into a mediawiki 1.4 install will i be able to do an upgrade to current?
[21:59:18] <Duesentrieb>	yes, with some pains
[21:59:32] <effthis>	does that seem like a reasonable idea?
[21:59:40] <Duesentrieb>	charset conversion, for one thing
[21:59:49] <Duesentrieb>	well, *I* would hack the script to spit out xml :)
[22:00:01] <Duesentrieb>	the format is simple enough.
[22:00:05] <effthis>	duly noted.  i know next to nothing about this domain though.
[22:00:19] <Duesentrieb>	actually, i did that for erfurtwiki
[22:00:50] <effthis>	you'll probably find this all the more amusing, but mediawiki is actually an in-between
[22:01:04] <Duesentrieb>	>_<
[22:01:32] <effthis>	it's going like this: ancient twiki install -> mediawiki -> trac wiki
[22:02:09] <CIA-1>	03daniel * r24713 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: cache parsed gadget list using wgMemc
[22:02:10] <effthis>	there's no twiki to trac tool out there, but there is a twiki to mediawiki and a mediawiki to trac
[22:02:29] <Duesentrieb>	i don't think is is going to work very well.
[22:02:35] <effthis>	agreed!
[22:02:57] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: is trac able to import from some flat format? text files? xml?
[22:03:01] <effthis>	it doesn't need to work /that/ well really.  the twiki is just an archive at this point, but i'd rather import it in some editable form than just publish it as html.
[22:03:28] <effthis>	trac can import from its own wiki syntax, and there's also a script for importing from mediawiki
[22:03:29] <Duesentrieb>	if trac has a decent import facility, write a script to target that.
[22:03:43] <Duesentrieb>	well, converting syntax is one thing.
[22:03:53] <effthis>	the ideal would be to convert twiki's syntax to trac's, and then import using the admin tool
[22:03:55] <Duesentrieb>	you can probably rip that out easily enough from the existing converters
[22:04:15] <effthis>	i was hoping to get something jamming with the 'middleman wiki' here, using 2 already-available scripts
[22:04:20] <Duesentrieb>	the other thing is the wrapper format (xml, in the case of mediawiki)
[22:04:31] <effthis>	but if the 'cur' concept is ancient history, i may have to approach it the hard way
[22:04:41] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: you can try, but i guess it's not worth the pain :)
[22:04:54] <Duesentrieb>	you'll probably have a hard time finding a download for me 1.4 :)
[22:05:38] <effthis>	http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=34373&package_id=93103 looks like the ticket
[22:05:55] <effthis>	the process is beginning to get a little silly though...
[22:06:08] <effthis>	twiki -> mediawiki 1.4 -> mediawiki -> trac
[22:06:29] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: well, do check out what the trac importer expects
[22:06:37] <Duesentrieb>	maybe it too expects the 1.4 schema?
[22:06:38] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Nomination Doesn't Work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10865  +comment (10robchur)
[22:07:18] <effthis>	doubtful, but a very good point.  thanks for your pointers on all of this!
[22:08:26] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: generally, *porters that access internal structured directly are icky and bound to break things. use flat exchange formats wherever you can.
[22:09:01] <effthis>	i looked :<  i'm pretty disappointed that trac doesn't support something more standard for imports.
[22:09:16] <effthis>	the whole wiki market is really segmented when it comes to import/export
[22:09:57] <effthis>	i'm beginning to think that the best method would be an html parser.  wikis export as html without headers/footers, importers convert html to their wiki format.
[22:12:07] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: well again: wikitext syntax is one thing, wrapper format another.
[22:12:46] <Duesentrieb>	using html as an in-between for wikitexte would be quite lossy. but then, converting between syntaxes is generally pertty trivial (at least if getting 90% right is enough)
[22:13:12] <Duesentrieb>	fiddeling the pages into the wiki's storage structure is the job of the wrapper format.
[22:13:13] <effthis>	i think one has to expect some amount of degradation when going between formats
[22:13:37] <effthis>	the beauty of wikis in general is that it's easy enough to add markup if it gets boffed, the concerning part for me would be actual data
[22:13:39] <Duesentrieb>	yes, but html is pretty bad. no templates, for one thing.
[22:13:48] <effthis>	sure
[22:13:57] <CIA-1>	03raymond * r24714 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[22:13:57] <CIA-1>	* Fix regressions from r24515:
[22:13:57] <CIA-1>	** unknown variable $cascadeSources, should be $cascadingSources
[22:13:57] <CIA-1>	** unknown PHP function 'array_len' (at least to my XAMPP), replaced with count()
[22:16:12] <effthis>	i do hope at some point everybody agrees on an in-between format instead of so many reinventions of the wheel and one-way converters
[22:16:34] <Duesentrieb>	a man can dream...
[22:16:34] <effthis>	even the projects with robust tools only seem to import, not export
[22:17:03] <Duesentrieb>	mw does both. no conversion of wikitext, though. just wrapping pages and revisions
[22:17:19] <effthis>	i have an instiki install that does textile and html exports
[22:17:21] <VoiceOfAll>	Raymond_?
[22:17:36] <effthis>	the version i use, of course, has that feature broken >_<  it spits out corrupted zip files.
[22:17:57] <Raymond_>	VoiceOfAll: gave me some warnings
[22:18:00] <effthis>	does textile seem like a fair target for 'the format' to you, just out of curiosity?
[22:18:28] <VoiceOfAll>	Raymond_: click on a revert link for images
[22:19:26] <Raymond_>	VoiceOfAll: what should I see?
[22:19:40] <VoiceOfAll>	doesn't the title look odd
[22:20:07] <Raymond_>	VoiceOfAll: ah, you don't like it...
[22:20:18] <VoiceOfAll>	Raymond_: somewhat redundant, and crappy for longer file names
[22:20:25] <VoiceOfAll>	the name is right in the box
[22:20:45] <VoiceOfAll>	it would be more consistent to just say "confirm revert" or such
[22:22:03] <Duesentrieb>	effthis: never looked at textile. i'd go for something xml based. maybe an extension of xhtml, or of opendocument, or some such.
[22:22:26] <Duesentrieb>	xml is made for text markup, and it's extensible with custom meta data, or even custom tags
[22:22:37] <Duesentrieb>	it's designed to be an exchange format. it seems like the obvious choice.
[22:22:55] <Raymond_>	VoiceOfAll: it's ok to me... maybe redundant, but you see the imagename in the browser title too. maybe helpful, sometimes... the problem with long file names exists on the image description page too. 
[22:23:28] <VoiceOfAll>	Raymond_: what about the "confirm delete" title for pages?
[22:23:37] <VoiceOfAll>	why not say "confirm deletion of X"
[22:23:47] <VoiceOfAll>	or protect and the rest
[22:24:30] <Raymond_>	VoiceOfAll: point to you. on "confirm delete" title for pages the page name is a subtitle
[22:24:52] <VoiceOfAll>	maybe you can do a subtitle for reverts then?
[22:24:58] <Raymond_>	change protection as subtitle too
[22:25:18] <grahampage>	Does anyone know why the MediaWiki articles in the 'text' table are stored as binary blobs?
[22:26:05] <VoiceOfAll>	Raymond_: I'd be happy with uniform subtitles
[22:26:30] <Raymond_>	good argument
[22:26:42] <VoiceOfAll>	Raymond_:  wait, they are already there
[22:26:48] <VoiceOfAll>	for protection
[22:26:59] <Raymond_>	yes, I said
[22:27:43] <VoiceOfAll>	well, it just says 'Protecting "Main Page"'
[22:27:51] <VoiceOfAll>	not "change" ;)
[22:28:46] <Raymond_>	hehe... the German translation means "change" ;-)
[22:28:46] <effthis>	see you around duesentrieb
[22:29:27] <VoiceOfAll>	Raymond_: I'm not committing that any time soon though
[22:29:38] <VoiceOfAll>	rob might bitch and moan ;)
[22:29:47] <Raymond_>	I know..
[22:29:55] <VoiceOfAll>	Even though its very minor
[22:31:55] <Raymond_>	VoiceOfAll: 'protectsub'                  => '(Protecting "$1")', should be changed too? '(Changing protection for "$1")' ?
[22:32:10] <VoiceOfAll>	what if it is not protected?
[22:32:28] <VoiceOfAll>	it should depend I guess
[22:32:31] <Raymond_>	it's always a change?
[22:32:58] <VoiceOfAll>	semantically you could say that, but then why do logs have "change/protected"?
[22:33:19] <VoiceOfAll>	it's just easier for regular users
[22:33:32] <Raymond_>	right, they have the difference
[22:33:39] <Raymond_>	(the logs=
[22:33:47] <VoiceOfAll>	you could say "setting protection level"...
[22:33:51] <VoiceOfAll>	;)
[22:33:59] <VoiceOfAll>	that or use two messages
[22:34:00] <Raymond_>	oh yes :)
[22:35:48] <Raymond_>	would '(Setting protection level for "$1")' be ok?
[22:36:03] <diabeatus2>	where does one edit the side bar in mediawiki?
[22:36:22] <Raymond_>	diabeatus2: [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
[22:37:05] <VoiceOfAll>	Raymond_: I guess
[22:37:26] <Raymond_>	VoiceOfAll: you are the native English speaker, not me :)
[22:37:57] <VoiceOfAll>	I mean it makes sense, just not sure if something better can be found
[22:38:32] <Raymond_>	ok
[22:38:59] <Raymond_>	I will sleep about... time for bed now, tomorrow I will make a revert subtitle first :)
[22:39:38] <VoiceOfAll>	http://www.msn.com/
[22:40:25] <VoiceOfAll>	"B.S. degrees in under 2 years!"
[22:40:32] <VoiceOfAll>	;)
[22:40:45] <jonnydev135>	on the MediaWiki:Sidebar page I see some things like this:  "extensions-url|extensions".  Where is the thing that extensions-url maps to set?
[22:41:12] <MinuteElectron>	MediaWiki:extensions-url
[22:42:07] <Raymond_>	n8
[22:42:17] <jonnydev135>	ok, i guess that makes sense.  I'm fairly new to this wiki stuff.  How does it know that it's a redirect as opposed to an actual page?
[22:42:35] <MinuteElectron>	magi
[22:42:38] <MinuteElectron>	c
[22:43:19] <jonnydev135>	so if I put extensions-url anywhere, will it always put a link to the value on that page, rather than going to that page?
[22:43:37] <MinuteElectron>	yep
[22:44:07] <jonnydev135>	ok, thanks
[22:44:46] <jonnydev135>	one more question:  Is it because it's trails by -url, or is it because it starts with MediaWiki:?  Or neither?
[22:46:18] <MinuteElectron>	jonnydev135: The former.
[22:48:18] <diabeatus2>	Raymond_afk thanks for the help, sorry i got pulled away a bit ago
[22:48:56] <jonnydev135>	MinuteElectron:  Cool.  Thanks!
[22:52:07] <MinuteElectron>	np
[22:52:09] <MinuteElectron>	bbl
[23:21:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Magic for patents like we have for ISBNs, booksources - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10866 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (l8qjvx002)
[23:22:48] <Schroeder>	patents are a good idea
[23:30:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Special:Patentsources - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10866  summary (10danny_b)
[23:34:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Special:Patentsources - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10866  (10danny_b)
[23:39:58] <tehj>	Randomly my MediaWiki keeps timing out with "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" when logging in... I've looked at the debug and can see no difference between a successful login and a "bad" one, and this never happens with Firefox
[23:46:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Special:Patentsources - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10866  (10l8qjvx002)
[23:47:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Special:Patentsources - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10866  (10l8qjvx002)
[23:51:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Special:Patentsources - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10866  +comment (10robchur)
[23:54:18] <tuxillo>	hi