[00:01:11] <_Quintus_> is there a function i can call to get the current page title? [00:01:45] <_Quintus_> so if the page was 'index.php?title=abcd' then this function would return 'abcd'? [00:02:16] <_Quintus_> i need to call it in ../skins/CologneBlue.php if that matters... [00:05:35] <_Quintus_> i dont seem to be able to use $_GET['title'] [00:28:31] hi. I just got a webbhotel. Can I install media wiki on there or would I have to have actual access to the server itself? [00:28:52] Im quite sure they run all the preqs [00:53:52] Hi, i am using the latest version of MediaWiki, my server is all up to date and everything, but when I try setting up using the script, it stops loading after the message: PHP 5.2.3 installed, any ideas? [01:20:14] 03(NEW) Wikipedia-en fails to render html list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10878 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (azatoth) [01:27:15] can anyone help me with an installation problem i am having? [02:01:34] Has anyone used TransformChanges extension and seen Recent Changes content turn blank when logged in? [02:13:11] So, I'm moving mw (the front-end) from one webserver to another, leaving the DB in place. Sadly, it's not working. My apache logs (and browser) show index.php/Main_Page endlessly looping, and my error logs show a number of errors that are quite possibly, or even probably, php problems (moving from RH9/Apache1.3/PHP4.4.4 to RHEL5/Apache2.2.3/PHP5.1.6 [02:13:59] An example error (and all MW files are in svn from the original install, checked out to the new host) : [02:14:12] [Fri Aug 10 22:06:53 2007] [error] [client 65.112.23.147] PHP Notice: Use of undefined constant AV_NO_VIRUS - assumed 'AV_NO_VIRUS' in /home/mediawiki/includes/DefaultSettings.php on line 168, referer: https://wiki.smarterliving.com/config/index.php [02:14:57] while, of course, includes/DefaultSettings.php is the same as it was on the old (working) machine. [02:15:07] Any ideas, anyone? [02:15:43] "Endlessly looping" meaning a URL rewrite problem? [02:16:18] Yeah. access_log gives: [02:16:41] Is the new host using CGI PHP? [02:17:05] 69.25.205.39 - - [10/Aug/2007:22:15:43 -0400] "GET /meta_login.php?target=Site_Registration%2FUser_Login HTTP/1.0" 200 61 [02:17:09] [10/Aug/2007:22:15:43 -0400] 69.25.205.39 TLSv1 DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA "GET /meta_login.php?target=Site_Registration%2FUser_Login HTTP/1.0" 61 [02:17:26] until the browser gives up. [02:17:39] (That, actually, is our GSA...) [02:17:56] CGI PHP... Hm. [02:18:07] Does going to index.php?Main_Page work? [02:18:27] What do you mean by cgi php. And sadly, no. [02:19:07] 4 line pastes ok? [02:19:57] *Fyren shrugs. [02:20:42] http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72040 [02:20:55] PHP as CGI means PHP run as a binary as opposed to a module in the web server. [02:21:35] does anyone actually do PHP as a cgi anymore? [02:21:40] i haven't seen it in a decade or so. [02:21:59] People sometimes complain about pretty URLs not working and it turns out they are. [02:22:15] funky./ [02:22:25] Ah. No. php from the rhel-built rpm, as module. [02:23:27] Anyway, I don't know. I'd hazard a guess it's whatever login mojo you have going, but maybe someone else more knowledgeable will come around. [02:24:35] The notice you first might just be PHP set to a different error level, but it's still weird. [02:24:47] Since that one constant is defined in Defines.php [02:25:12] (that was an example. I get about... 10-20? similar errors per page-load-attempt. [02:25:37] (and, of course, Defines.php came over from the old machine, too.) [02:26:14] (I looked for, but didn't find, a list of required pear modules, and so just duplicated what was on the old machine.) [02:29:38] Ooh. Managed to get a different error by changing the php error logging: [10-Aug-2007 22:29:01] PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/mediawiki/meta_ [02:29:42] login.php on line 61 [02:30:10] foreach ($req->getResponseCookies() as $c) { [02:33:22] Not that that answers anything, really, but it's different. [02:40:57] Just had the thought that there's almost certainly a path somewhere pointing at (RH9 or /usr/local/* specific pathing) where it SHOULD be poiting at rhel5 pathing. [02:41:50] already fixed the include_path in meta_login.php [02:41:59] the mw install directory is the same between the 2. [02:55:34] hey anyone running memcache here? [02:56:22] what are the server address and ports? to put in the wiki install page? (i'm running in localhost atm) [03:45:05] hey i'm almost done i need some help quick [03:45:09] Installation successful! Move the config/LocalSettings.php file into the parent directory, [03:45:19] what do they mean by move it to the parent? [03:45:24] parent dir? [03:45:35] I have wiki in localhost/wiki [03:45:39] so move it there? [03:50:22] in *IX, it's (in one way of doing it) 'cd config; mv LocalSettings.php ..' [03:50:27] if that helps you translate. [03:50:37] Right now, LocalSettings.php is in "Somewhere/config"; move it to "Somewhere". [03:51:03] (Reading back, you never said you were doing a windows-based install. Not sure why I thought you did. :) [03:51:04] gotcha thanks! [03:51:17] Welcome. [03:51:19] nah windows sucks [03:51:29] i made my own server [03:51:40] It does, indeed. [03:51:46] been at it all week lost so much sleep lol [03:51:58] Of course, I'm pretty frakking frustrated with all of LAMP/MW right now. [03:52:30] mw? [03:53:09] oh sorry mediawiki kinda tired right now [03:53:18] half asleep but one step away from done [03:54:07] it's crazy i've done apache/mysql/php and then switched to a different web server plus added the memcache and other programs to speed it up [03:54:37] If anyone wants to read the back-scroll and see what's been driving me batshit nuts tonight, you're more than invited... [03:54:45] most of the config files i had to do from scrartch [03:55:12] what OS? [03:55:24] I have a working install that I'm just trying to move to a new machine... hm. Anyone know a good php debugger? [03:56:08] (and how to get an install of mw to run through it?) (full php logging didn't actually help.) [03:56:36] hmm if you have a new machine you might want to start putting something new there [03:56:52] well when i'm done with my wiki it will be for config files [03:57:00] so I'll organize everything i did [03:57:04] maybe it can help you [03:57:20] I have to move my existing install. Can't mess with the company wiki. [03:57:22] :/ [03:57:26] ohh [03:57:36] BUT we have zend platform! Maybe it can help! [03:57:44] that's fancy [03:58:17] Ok. It would if I had zend studio client installed on my machine. [03:58:19] :/ [03:58:35] yea, and i'm nearly about to pass out from so much configuring right now lol [03:58:57] Ok. I'm going the hell home. I'll check in later. [03:59:03] ok man [03:59:06] don't give up [03:59:17] Thanks. [03:59:58] MediaWiki has been successfully installed. [03:59:58] Consult the User's Guide for information on using the wiki software. [04:00:01] YEEEEESSSSSS [04:00:03] FINALY [04:00:11] lol it only took a week of no sleep [04:05:06] Atlantiz, congrats :) i know that feeling [04:05:37] :D [04:05:40] thank you :D [04:05:54] all that sweat and tears lol [04:06:08] :) [05:11:00] 03(mod) Wikipedia-en fails to render html list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10878 (10robchur) [05:40:10] hi. Any idea about possible security issues, if I use the htmlets extension and an iframe to place simple machines forum on a wiki page? [05:44:33] 03(NEW) Screwing up with special divs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10879 minor; low; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (thecoregod) [05:54:56] fun with bugzilla. [06:00:07] 14(WFM) Screwing up with special divs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10879 +comment (10robchur) [06:08:24] 03(mod) Screwing up with special divs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10879 (10thecoregod) [06:24:32] OMFG [06:24:41] importDump.php officially sucks. [06:25:53] I leave my copmuter on all night importing every revision of the mediawikiwiki allnight and in return I get this: http://82.7.33.28/cli.PNG [06:29:41] This is the point when someone tells me I am a dick and this wasn't what it was designed for and I should have used one of the other tools. [07:44:57] Good morning! [07:45:22] hi [07:45:31] I was sent here from the tech list ... so, now I will ask here: is there a description around on how to update from 1.4 to actual? [07:45:52] I just downloaded 1.10.1 [07:45:59] hi ThomasV :-) [07:46:03] there are update scripts in 'maintenance' [07:46:31] but I don't know if they can manage the jump from 1.4 to 1.10 [07:46:59] they can [07:47:11] # Bakup [07:47:17] but please be careful [07:47:19] # Upload new files on top of everything. [07:47:33] ok [07:47:40] # Run, from shell, 'php /path/to/w/maintenance/update.php [07:47:43] ' [07:47:51] TimStarling: so what do you think of my idea? (assuming you've read it) [07:48:18] why the page table? [07:48:29] I suppose I should also make a dump of the actual mysql database ... [07:48:43] well: in the worst case: I will need to re-install from scratch ... [07:49:01] because otherwise we'd need to do one request per link I assume. if it's in the page table there is no extra cost [07:49:12] ok, thanks MinuteElectron - will try to do [07:49:30] SabineCretella: Backup EVERYTHING (files,sql,xml) twice. [07:49:39] ok [07:49:49] In two different places, in case you type rm *.* [07:50:10] yes, you are right there ... that makes a lot of sense [07:50:22] what sort of request per link? [07:50:38] well: I never updated the installation ... I am not really a programmer, but normally I get such things :-) thanks!!! [07:51:08] a request to know the quality of the page that is linked [07:51:56] it sounds like that quality could be stored in its own extension table [07:52:02] and the quality of links could be stored in the parser cache [07:52:27] hmm.. I did not think about that [07:52:37] I will see if I can do that [07:52:55] the extension table could be linked to the page table, or to the revision table [07:53:08] probably better making it the page table [07:53:33] you men through page_id field ? [07:53:41] mean [07:54:07] yes [07:55:02] ok I will see. thanks for your advice! [08:16:58] uhmmm ... I have another stupid question: how do I export the xml? Through Special:Export? If yes: how do I call automatically all pages without having to insert one title per line? [08:17:58] php dumpBackup.php [08:18:44] brb [08:20:46] ok, thanks [08:27:30] bck [09:43:23] are there logfiles in mediawiki? [09:58:02] 03(NEW) raw watchlist textarea doesn't change after update - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10880 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Graf.Zahl) [10:00:49] hello [10:02:33] i'm here now at a restructing meeting, organized by swiss wikimedia community. we are now talking about the multi language function in our new website. is there an existing extension to create a multi language wikipedia? [10:10:56] 10 seconds google... [10:10:57] http://www.art122-5.net/index.php/MediaWiki_multi-Language_management_with_the_extension_MultiLanguageManager [10:20:47] PetarM: There's the MultiLang extension, and Polyglot, and LanguageSelector. They are not alternatives, but can be combined - each covers a different aspect of multilinguality. [10:21:13] PetarM: however, they are all more or less hacks. Mediawiki still has not ''real'' support for multilingual content. [10:21:53] I have never heard of the MultiLanguageManager - i wonder whatit does... [10:22:04] the problem in all (known) solutions is, that every language version should have an own article/ the parsetime is "too long" or the navigation is not multilangue [10:23:15] hm, the language manager doesn't look to bad, it's kind of like polyglot. it's a bit nicer on the ui, i guess, but needs extra tables [10:23:50] PetarM: the navigation depends only on the user's language, right? [10:24:29] yes or the configuration of the browser [10:24:39] PetarM: also, i would ''want'' one page per language... if you don't, you can use multilang(uage) [10:25:08] browser language is not normally used by mediawiki. you'd have to use an extension like languageselector [10:26:29] okay, i'll be in 1-2 hours back. bye [10:48:59] 03(mod) Wikipedia-en fails to render html list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10878 (10azatoth) [11:03:16] hi does anyone knows how to add a link on footer on mediawiki? [11:15:19] 03(mod) Job queue never empty. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9518 +comment (10daniel) [11:28:52] does anyone knows anything about footers? [11:34:33] emrezer: There is abug report, and patch, but it won't get commited. [11:57:11] so i've looked at all that MediaWiki does and i gotta wonder, about how many SQL queries does MediaWiki make on a typical page? [11:57:57] crap stupid pidgin [12:06:20] dandaman32: < 10 if it's in the parser cache. even less if using memcached for user data, etc. iforgot the figure, but i think with full-fledged caching, it's ~3 or so. [12:06:50] now, with *no* caching, it can be a *lot*. dozents. hundrets even, depending on page content (templates, especially, afaik) [12:27:41] does anyone knows anything about footers? [12:28:54] emrezer: As I have said what you want to do is not possible because the patch has not been committed. [12:29:45] repeatedly asking the same too open question in wrong english is not a way to get closer to ones goal, right? [12:30:09] sorry I will not do it again [12:33:56] I have a lot of questions dealing with templates, but I'll keep it focused to the current Infobox issue I'm having. I'm caught between Wiki syntax and HTML tags, and I can't get them to play nicely together on a page all the time. [12:34:19] How do I get the Infobox to have the rest of the page work around it? [12:34:42] or rather wrap around it? [12:48:21] hi brion [12:49:47] oy [12:50:28] hi there [12:50:39] is there any way to integrate phpbb with mediawiki ? [12:53:49] yep [12:53:52] look on the website [12:53:56] !extensions | Sevenhill [12:53:56] Sevenhill : MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions, this is usually a simple process, to find a list of them visit http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions [12:54:51] Anyone want to tackle my question? :) [12:55:01] My question above. :) [12:58:53] Thanks [12:59:10] also i wantto learn something about multi-language system [12:59:27] am i have to install new mediawikis for all other languages ? [12:59:35] or just one is enough ? [13:00:16] or how it keeps content in database ? am i need to create new databases for each language ? [13:00:43] :D i'm completely a newbie about mediawiki so sorry about my lots of questions :D [13:06:01] 03aaron * r24730 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: *Update doc [13:20:13] 03(NEW) If page title contains Umlaut the link on edit page is wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10881 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (hj-meyer) [13:20:33] was anyone able to configure Miscosoft AD LDAP authentication with LAMP setup? [13:30:29] g'day .is there a way to restrict non-sysops from even /reading/ a page? [13:33:30] Morbus: look for "preventing access" in the faq [13:33:36] Hi, is this a good place to ask some newbie's questions? [13:33:44] thankee [13:33:56] Morbus: the short answer is: yes, but it's not 100% reliable. don't use it for SECRET stuff [13:34:09] aye, this is for sekrit stuff, behind an httpauth. [13:34:19] more looking for a "oh crap, someone broke the httpauth" thing. [13:34:22] :) [13:34:36] Just wondering about the configurations files, they have wg prefix. What does it stand for? [13:34:44] wiki global [13:34:52] ah :) [13:34:56] php doesn't have namespaces. so you need prefixes [13:35:05] Thanks ^^ [13:35:25] Duesentrieb: so, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Preventing_Access#Restrict_viewing_of_all_pages looks relatively simple, but i don't see any mention of unreliability... [13:36:04] Morbus: if you restrict access to nearly all pages, only allowing a few (using the read whitelist), it should be pretty safe. [13:36:16] yeah, that's the plan. thanks. [13:37:16] Morbus: extensions that allow more fine grained control for reading tend to have issues. before 1.10, they whre actually *very* unsafe. [13:37:32] read on to the next section for that [13:37:43] yeah, i'm not looking for craziness. just a sysop read/edit only just-in-case the httpauth breaks. [13:38:51] 14(DUP) Make customised BugZilla source available in Subversion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10711 +comment (10brion) [13:38:51] 03(mod) Provide updated distributions of the custom templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9025 +comment (10brion) [13:38:57] Morbus: so, all users of the wiki would have to be sysop? that doesn't make sense. requireing login makes sense (group user) [13:39:23] Duesentrieb: there'd really only be two to five users... [13:39:41] i've disabled acct. creation, so, i'll look into the require login. [13:39:44] 03(mod) New-messages bar not coming up and/ or getting stuck up for IP addresses - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 +comment (10brion) [13:39:48] still no need to require sysop for reading [13:40:36] so, that'd just be: [13:40:36] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; [13:40:36] $wgGroupPermissions['user']['read'] = true; [13:40:38] ? [13:41:00] and the whitelist of Special:Userlogin [13:42:44] something like that. and make sure you have 1.10 [13:43:09] before that, Special:Export could be used to read any page, for example [13:43:19] if that page was accessible, that is. [13:44:04] yeah, have 1.10 [13:48:00] 03(WONTFIX) Create Special:Patentsources - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10866 +comment (10brion) [13:49:44] 03(mod) For admins, a "Move Page" check-box to avoid leaving a redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 (10brion) [13:50:42] how would a sysop go about creating a new user, if he's blocked acct. creation? [13:53:02] Special:Userlogin [13:53:11] thanks [13:55:55] 14(WFM) If page title contains Umlaut the link on edit page is wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10881 +comment (10brion) [14:10:23] hrm. back in the day, i thought you could use #REDIRECT to send to remote URLs. is that no longer the case? i usually just redir my Help:Editing to the primary one at Meta. [14:10:47] that never worked that I know of [14:11:06] it's possible that it can be turned on as an option somewhere [14:11:11] this would have been back in 1.4ish. [14:11:23] it was never on by default AFAIK [14:11:27] hrm. ok. [14:14:19] urls? nope, never [14:14:29] interwikis? yes, with limitations [14:15:38] *Morbus waves to brion. [14:15:48] *brion waves [14:16:10] brion, when do the generated image thumbnails get deleted? [14:16:36] the ones in the ./images directory I mean [14:16:46] 1) when the image is updated (re-uploaded) [14:16:49] 2) when the image is deleted [14:16:56] 3) when ?action=purge is done on the image [14:17:04] *chat-de-plafond tickles brion [14:17:18] *brion looks very serious [14:17:22] *chat-de-plafond stabs Second Life for crashing too much [14:17:23] ugh [14:17:35] i should not be eating these mini milk chocolate peanut butter cups at 10am [14:17:41] *chat-de-plafond giggles [14:17:52] *brion curses that trip to trader joe's in l.a. [14:18:00] brion: can we discuss my intended attack on the blocking system? [14:24:50] ALTER TABLE /*$wgDBprefix*/archive [14:24:50] ADD ar_page int unsigned NOT NULL; [14:24:55] what the fuck is that a NOT NULL column? [14:25:02] that needs to be nullable [14:26:55] 03(mod) For admins, a "Move Page" check-box to avoid leaving a redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 (10jnc) [14:29:31] 03(mod) For admins, a "Move Page" check-box to avoid leaving a redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 (10brion) [14:30:22] why are there two ar_page columns added to postgres with different settinsg? [14:30:25] seriously, what the hell [14:37:18] dumb question (again), but what is the best way to set the search preferences of my users? I see that the prefs are stored as a big string in the DB table, making it somewhat tricky for me to update them. [14:37:29] should I just do it by hand user by user, or is there a better way? [14:37:40] set them for all users? [14:38:04] I set the defaults, so new users search all namespaces by default. (that is the pref I want to change) [14:38:10] chat-de-plafond, yes [14:38:32] faceface: use the maintenance script for mass setting of user options [14:38:40] chat-de-plafond, I would rather not blank existing prefs ... if there are any... [14:38:48] brion, thanks [14:44:00] 03brion * r24731 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [14:44:00] Fixups for page id field in the archive table: [14:44:00] * Make the field nullable for consistency with ar_rev_id and ar_text_id and between MySQL and PostgreSQL and generally so you can cleanly tell between bogus fields and ones that predate use of the field [14:44:00] * Remove duplicate incorrect adding of the field for postgres [14:44:00] * Rename to ar_page_id for consistency with ar_rev_id and ar_text_id [14:44:04] * Rename the patch file for naming consistency [14:44:06] Note that there's no documentation of this schema change in the release notes either, which bugs me a bit. [14:44:48] 03(mod) For admins, a "Move Page" check-box to avoid leaving a redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 (10jnc) [14:45:31] hi all [14:45:34] hello Caith_Sith [14:45:57] hi chat-de-plafond [14:46:04] can u help me with some thing? [14:46:48] :/ [14:47:00] 03(mod) For admins, a "Move Page" check-box to avoid leaving a redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 (10brion) [14:48:20] well... my problem es very simple: i cant activate the option to upload files [14:48:46] i dont find the option in the configuration page [14:48:49] cheers, this maintanance script is just the ticket! [14:48:53] Caith_Sith: $wgEnableUploads = true; to LocalSettings.php [14:56:22] 04(REOPENED) Create Special:Patentsources - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10866 +comment (10l8qjvx002) [14:57:59] 03(mod) For admins, a "Move Page" check-box to avoid leaving a redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 (10jnc) [14:58:52] thx jack_phoenix [14:58:53] ^^ [14:59:00] np [15:01:00] 03(mod) Create Special:Sources and {{#source:}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10867 (10l8qjvx002) [15:06:28] brion-office: Am I correct in thinking you made the mwdumper? [15:06:54] MinuteElectron: not now [15:07:16] chat-de-plafond: hmm? [15:07:28] Oh, he is away. [15:07:33] chat-de-plafond: New nick, I see. [15:07:37] MinuteElectron: everything's down, and he is seeing it [15:07:44] fixing* [15:07:45] seriously [15:07:56] meta works for me [15:08:00] watch #wikimedia-tech [15:08:01] everything down as in what? [15:08:11] as in EVERYTHING is DOWN [15:08:21] yeah =/ [15:08:55] oh, I see [15:09:00] must be the cache, can't load the commons [15:12:28] Amazing, everything is\was down indeed. [15:16:25] Since brion is busy, is there anyone knowleheable in Java here - I am having trouble with the MWDumper. [15:16:36] VoiceOfAll: lol [15:17:59] what kind of trouble? [15:18:06] one sec [15:18:14] http://paste2.org/p/5722 [15:18:26] I downloaded the .jar file, but it won't run. [15:18:49] MinuteElectron: ;) [15:19:14] Wait, ignore that rainman-sr - my bad. [15:19:18] It works now o.O [15:19:33] :) [15:34:11] 03(NEW) missing CategoryTree.i18n. php creates FileNotFound Warnings in Log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10882 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (m_hess) [15:43:19] VoiceOfAll: You are unbanned. [15:45:26] hi. how to grant sysop rights in mediawiki1.7 [15:45:50] i rtfm'd but could'nt find it [15:46:56] Special:Userrights ? [15:47:18] yep [15:47:40] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights has some nice info too :) [15:47:50] i dont have permission to view [15:50:08] Lifehacker: are you logged with the user crated at installation time ? [15:50:25] *created [15:50:36] ialexandre, works thanks [15:50:40] my bad :D [15:51:32] Lifehacker: :) [16:03:54] bijour mesdames missiou [16:05:31] 03robchurch * r24732 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WatchlistEditor.php: Should be using master here, otherwise we risk inconsistent data [16:06:25] (Alternative fix might be to send an HTTP redirect, as for the "clear all notifications" thing, but using the master is technically the correct way.) [16:11:44] 03(FIXED) raw watchlist textarea doesn't change after update - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10880 +comment (10robchur) [16:13:18] robchurch: per previous recommendation, use an http redirect [16:13:27] that also avoids the annoyances with reload and back buttons in browser [16:13:47] The other thing, of course, is that the HTTP redirect will fuck up the nice lists of pages that have been updated. [16:14:18] *robchurch wonders if it's possible to be clever [16:14:39] :P [16:14:42] mleh [16:14:44] whatevah [16:14:57] Well, with the raw watchlist thing, we've got...hmm... [16:24:13] 03robchurch * r24733 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (bug 10872) Fall back to sane defaults when generating protection selector labels for custom restriction levels [16:24:20] 03(FIXED) Custom Settings for Protection Don' t Generate Interface Translation Messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10872 +comment (10robchur) [16:27:03] *VoiceOfAll hears brion, runs and hides [16:30:53] 03(mod) If page title contains Umlaut the link on edit page is wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10881 (10hj-meyer) [16:33:37] "In addition to my report I have now seen, that the errorpage contains two times [16:33:37] a useless "25":" [16:37:54] weeeird [16:37:59] robchurch: can we talk about my intended attack on the blocking system? [16:38:19] no [16:38:35] *NotAmused pokes brion [16:38:55] wot [16:39:21] are you someone I can discuss intended blocking changes with, or should I wait for Tim? [16:41:36] 03(NEW) CategoryTree shows strange behavior if category names start with interwiki prefixes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10883 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (md5) [16:41:54] ehhh i guess [16:42:20] well basically I want to make blocks per-page, per-user, per-permission. [16:42:46] Hooray for sweeping backwards-incompatible changes. [16:42:51] so, ipblocks gets changed to include page, permission, and groups which are exempted. [16:43:09] ipb_address, and the new columns, become nullable [16:43:21] and in blocking, you can specify all, some or none of them. [16:43:49] therefore, the blocks can be as wide as blocking anything on the wiki (perhaps not), or as narrow as blocking a particular user from moving a particular page [16:44:06] the ultimate aim is for protection to be obsoleted by this system. [16:45:19] You do remember that MediaWiki is a wiki engine, right? [16:45:29] You aren't writing security software for Fort Knox. [16:45:29] yeah.. so? [16:45:35] it could still come in handy [16:45:45] by my reckoning, it fixes about three bugs. [16:45:51] So, we already have blocks with arbitrary flags that expire, that are confusing to mess about with. [16:45:56] Now you're going to complicate things even further. [16:46:35] it's not /that/ complicated [16:46:46] User: ____ (Leave blank for all users) [16:46:49] No, not for you, maybe. [16:46:52] Page: _____ (Leave blank for all pages) [16:47:17] Sure, cap it off with a bad interface. [16:47:19] Permissions: [x] Edit [x] Move [x] Upload [x] Delete [16:47:28] can i find a list of css-classes the syntax highlighting in monobook.js/.css uses? [16:47:29] *robchurch sighs and hopes brion will inject some sanity [16:47:43] datura: Might be documented somewhere in GeSHi. [16:47:46] 03(mod) If page title contains Umlaut the link on edit page is wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10881 (10brion) [16:47:54] robchurch: thx. [16:48:08] NotAmused: sounds big and ugly and i don't even want to think about it until 50 other things are done [16:48:11] that's just me though :) [16:48:40] *VoiceOfAll nods [16:48:57] brion: but I'm just a troll :) [16:49:04] oh grow up. [16:49:24] *NotAmused hands VoiceOfAll some cheese for his whine [16:49:55] NotAmused: My objection so far is that blocking is already far too complicated and relies on a fragile interworking of a lot of little flags. [16:50:11] I'm concerned that pumping so much complexity into it is going to lead to confusion all around. [16:50:27] robchurch: well, maybe this is a chance to reform that [16:50:38] it _may_ make sense to refine these things into a sort of 'permissions filter' system which would be more unified internally. i'm not sure how much that would complicate UI and usability, though [16:50:40] anon-only could be achieved by adding 'user' as an exempted group. [16:50:53] Well, maybe you should write down your proposal with some concrete details, then. Because from this hasty description, it's all Greek to me. [16:51:09] prevent page-creation could be achieved by forbidding the 'createaccount' permission [16:51:16] and autoblock is probably still a flag [16:53:31] hmm, 3am [16:53:33] should sleep [16:53:34] nn all [16:54:36] On Wikipedia, are statistics such as numberofpages cached? I sometimes see the number go back about 30 pages, only to return to the old number. [16:55:42] The short answer is that Wikipedia is powered by hamsters on crack. [16:56:06] *VoiceOfAll never understood atomically tuned blocks [16:56:09] <[Jessy]> Hi! [16:56:23] <[Jessy]> Ive got a question to style sheets in mediawiki [16:56:29] But yes, such statistics are cached, and you might get the odd bit of replication lag depending upon which database server was picked to answer any read requests. [16:56:46] <[Jessy]> Can someone help me= [16:58:27]