[01:19:13] <bdubs76>	Hello. I just installed mediawiki and my <ref>abc</ref> and <reference /> tags aren't being procssed into links. I've verified the code runs in the wikimedia sandbox, but when I run it on my installation i just get the raw text back. I'm using postgres 8.2.4 on Fedora Core 6. Is there a setting I need to enable or something?
[01:19:44] <PhycoFalcon>	Are you using the Cite extension?
[01:20:05] <bdubs76>	I didn't install anything like that. So.. no?
[01:20:22] <PhycoFalcon>	Ah. Yeah, if you want to cite things, you'll need the Cite extension. Here...
[01:20:33] <PhycoFalcon>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php
[01:20:46] <PhycoFalcon>	also
[01:20:47] <PhycoFalcon>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Special:Cite.php
[01:21:08] <bdubs76>	Thanks. Maybe I missed that on the help page...
[01:21:13] <PhycoFalcon>	(special cite if you want to make it easy for others to cite your page) :-)
[01:21:31] <PhycoFalcon>	It's cool. What's your wiki about?
[01:21:49] <bdubs76>	Heh. Just an internal wiki. 
[01:22:00] <bdubs76>	Cancer drug info.
[01:22:04] <bdubs76>	Thrilling!
[01:22:13] <PhycoFalcon>	Alrighty, then. :-)
[01:23:02] <bdubs76>	Do you have a public wiki?
[01:23:16] <PhycoFalcon>	Yes... http://en.phyco.org/
[01:23:32] <PhycoFalcon>	I'm currently trying to implement a news/blog capability into it, though. :-)
[01:24:07] <bdubs76>	Cool. Actually I've been doing a lot of research recently into Solar Thermal Energy and Stirling Engines...
[01:24:20] <PhycoFalcon>	No kidding?
[01:24:26] <PhycoFalcon>	I've been doing some along that line as well.
[01:24:26] <bdubs76>	No joke. 
[01:24:55] <PhycoFalcon>	What's the purpose of your research?
[01:25:19] <bdubs76>	Curiosity. I geek out like this alot with no apparent purpose.
[01:25:52] <bdubs76>	I bookmarked your site. I'll have to check it out in detail later. Thanks for your help!
[01:25:56] <PhycoFalcon>	I was doing some research into it because I was wondering if it would provide enough power for a solar/stirling airship. :-)
[01:26:10] <PhycoFalcon>	No problem. :-)
[01:26:22] <PhycoFalcon>	Maybe we should exchange contact info.
[01:26:28] <bdubs76>	I just came across this...
[01:27:18] <PhycoFalcon>	Do you have a messaging service?
[01:27:25] <bdubs76>	yup.
[01:27:29] <PhycoFalcon>	which?
[01:27:53] <bdubs76>	one sec.
[01:28:42] <bdubs76>	bizolts at aol
[01:31:21] <Betacommand>	Im trying to get the output from "mysql -h sql-s1 toolserver"
[01:31:22] <Betacommand>	SHOW * FROM wiki;
[01:34:05] <jeremyb>	Betacommand: is your bot on the toolserver?
[01:34:27] <Betacommand>	dam wrong channel
[01:34:30] <jeremyb>	(and what problem are you having with that sql command?)
[01:34:39] <Betacommand>	sorry
[01:50:16] <iamso>	ping
[02:21:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Typo in Japanese translation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10888 major; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (hnezumi)
[03:46:37] <SaturdayNight>	Hi
[03:47:35] <Schroeder>	Mister SaturdayNight Special!
[03:47:44] <Schroeder>	Jeff SaturdayNight, Center for the Indianapolis Colts
[03:50:47] <SaturdayNight>	question, /opt/csw/apache2/share/htdocs/ is my apache directory
[03:50:56] <SaturdayNight>	the wiki lives in /wiki
[03:51:17] <SaturdayNight>	if I go to the home page I end up in the apache root directory
[03:51:34] <SaturdayNight>	how can I make the server display the /wiki directory when I go to the server.
[03:51:51] <PhycoFalcon>	.htacces
[03:51:56] <PhycoFalcon>	*.htaccess
[03:52:05] <TheFearow>	or a simple PHP file to redirect
[03:52:23] <PhycoFalcon>	Yeah, but .htaccess also makes the link pretty :-)
[03:52:52] <PhycoFalcon>	gets rid of 'index.php?'
[03:52:59] <SaturdayNight>	ah yes, I want a pretty URL, that's half the reason for doing it.
[03:53:22] <TheFearow>	Ahh. I thought you meant redirecting / to /wiki, not simple urls
[03:53:23] <PhycoFalcon>	If you want, I can pasteybin a good .htaccess file and LocalSettings.php addition
[03:53:24] <SaturdayNight>	http://wiki/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[03:53:29] <SaturdayNight>	is what I have at the moment.
[03:53:42] <TheFearow>	!simpleurl | SaturdayNight
[03:53:42] <mwbot>	SaturdayNight: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL. There are instructions for most different webserver setups.
[03:54:04] <PhycoFalcon>	True... But it can take a while to find something that works well
[03:55:31] <PhycoFalcon>	Actually, I just realized my setup is different than most. Nevermind...
[03:55:54] <PhycoFalcon>	Mine is in a subdomain, with the directory in public_html
[03:59:15] <SaturdayNight>	Short_URL makes interesting reading.
[04:12:04] <Madmanbum>	I know I should look this up, but I'm getting really tired of licensing.
[04:12:26] <Madmanbum>	True or false: An extension can be written for MediaWiki that is licensed under a GPL-incompatible license.
[04:16:43] <Madmanbum>	Part of an extension which I'm interested in committing is licensed under the PHP license.
[04:16:57] <Madmanbum>	I could rewrite, but I do love reusable, tested code.
[04:21:06] <TheFearow>	If its incompatible with the GPL, I believe it cannot be committed into core code, unless it is in seperate files which clearly state they are PHP licensed.
[04:21:40] <Martin_>	hello there, I have a question regarding "setting-up a wikipedia mirror" . . . I tried it with the current mediawiki-release (1.10.1) . . . the result was - well - just so so . . . it appeared like some of the wiki-markup just didn't get rendered (it's on the page as it is) . . . wikipedia is using mediawiki 1.11alpha . . . was there some notable change that could cause this OR do I just...
[04:21:42] <Martin_>	...have to include *a lot of* extensions . . . if yes, is there a list available which extensions are used by the wikipedia site? (and sorry for this long post) 
[04:22:13] <TheFearow>	Check out the page "Special:Version" on wikipedia
[04:22:28] <TheFearow>	You only have to do the ones that give parser extensions or other parser stuff.
[04:26:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[04:26:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[04:26:13] <Martin_>	quite embarrasing . . . I got the version number from that page . . . probarbly I just should read things more careful (as usual :P)
[04:26:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[04:27:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[04:28:34] <phuzion>	anyone here good with apache2 pretty URLs using .htaccess?
[04:28:50] <TheFearow>	Did you read the page on it?
[04:29:03] <Martin_>	yes . . . finally
[04:29:07] <Martin_>	are there any concerns regarding the version difference (1.10.1 --> 1.11alpha), when doing a mirror. Installing and importing the database worked fine. (using xml2html)
[04:29:10] <phuzion>	Yeah, I read the page on it
[04:29:34] <PhycoFalcon>	phuzion, are there any specific problems we can help you with?
[04:29:41] <TheFearow>	Martin_: Should be fine, no major issues I dont think.
[04:29:51] <phuzion>	I think it's making a bunch of redirects all around or something
[04:30:08] <PhycoFalcon>	Heh, what are you trying to do, exactly?
[04:30:11] <TheFearow>	Martin_: The Import and XML formats are meant to be pretty much version-independant, they dont rely on specific MySQL stuff
[04:30:15] <phuzion>	http://pastebin.ca/654171
[04:30:18] <PhycoFalcon>	I've had that problem a few times in my day...
[04:30:22] <phuzion>	thats the .htaccess in its entirety
[04:31:06] <PhycoFalcon>	Hrm... Is this for those super-short URLs, or whatever they're called?
[04:31:20] <phuzion>	Yeah, basically wiki.example.com/Main_Page
[04:31:48] <phuzion>	and here's one of the error messages I'm getting
[04:31:48] <phuzion>	[Sun Aug 05 08:21:21 2007] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects due to probable configuration error. Use 'LimitInternalRecursion' to increase the limit if necessary. Use 'LogLevel debug' to get a backtrace., referer: http://wiki.bemaniso.ws/Main_Page
[04:31:49] <PhycoFalcon>	I hate to say this, but it's not a good idea, in my opinion.
[04:32:24] <PhycoFalcon>	I just use the one that makes it pretty, but you still have something like site.com/wiki/Page
[04:33:00] <Martin_>	The Fearrow: ok . . . I'll try out installing the extensions . . . that should do it I guess . . . I am really not familiar with php (java) and the mediawiki-application . . . however thx a lot for your advice
[04:33:10] <PhycoFalcon>	Phuzion: It's helluva lot easier, and less liable to break and piss off your users.
[04:34:05] <TheFearow>	Martin_: PHP and java are different. Also, you dont need the extensions such as oversight/checkuser/etc, only the ones to do with the parser.
[04:38:33] <phuzion>	PhycoFalcon: So, the .htaccess would go in my public_html directory, not the wiki subdirectory, right?
[04:38:50] <PhycoFalcon>	That's right, phuzion.
[04:39:09] <PhycoFalcon>	It's the directory above the installation.
[04:40:38] <phuzion>	Alright, what do I have to change after I move the files?
[04:41:15] <PhycoFalcon>	Well, once you have the .htaccess file set up, then you change your LocalSettings.php
[04:41:56] <PhycoFalcon>	The two main things you'll change is $wgScriptPath and $wgArticlePath
[04:42:54] <phuzion>	what should $wgScriptPath be set to, because apparently there is none in my localsettings.php
[04:43:48] <PhycoFalcon>	Well, it depends. I'm not familiar with super-short URLs, only short URLs. :-)
[04:44:02] <PhycoFalcon>	It would say where you got your .htaccess file.
[04:46:21] <Martin_>	TheFearow: ok . . .if I got things right (looking at the Special:Version page) . . . I need all extensions listed below "Parser hooks" . . . I just reviewed the installation manuals and they appear to be quite clear . . . however I came across the "CategoryTree" extension and there is something about  "the ajax framework in mediawiki" --> as I get it this is included in the core mediawiki or...
[04:46:22] <Martin_>	...is it a dependency?
[04:47:39] <TheFearow>	The CategoryTree one shouldnt be needed.
[04:47:46] <TheFearow>	But I believe ajax is built in to mediawiki
[04:48:44] <Martin_>	ok . . .good . . .  I think it isn't used that much anyway
[04:49:36] <phuzion>	TheFearow: It is, it just needs to be enabled
[04:54:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Install "Quiz" extension on en.wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10889 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (wm-thunderhead)
[04:59:23] <amidaniel>	VoiceOfAll: You wrang?
[04:59:56] <VoiceOfAll>	I was thinking about copy all the rev_deleted stuff to testwiki
[05:00:32] <amidaniel>	Knock yourself out :)
[05:01:09] <amidaniel>	Where is it presently? A branch, I'd presume
[05:01:52] <amidaniel>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/phase3_rev_deleted/ ... that it?
[05:02:05] <VoiceOfAll>	no, thats way outdated
[05:04:13] *amidaniel 	can find nada
[05:04:42] <VoiceOfAll>	not on svn
[05:05:45] <amidaniel>	Alright, well you're welcome to put her up on my server. Do you want to overwrite testwiki with it or make a new one?
[06:59:24] <xushi>	hi all. A person created a new page called 'notes' which is too general. I 'moved' it to 'project_notes' instead, but 'notes' still links to that page. How can i delete 'notes', so that when someone decides to create that page, they wont be redirected to 
[06:59:33] <xushi>	to 'project_notes' ?
[06:59:57] <PhycoFalcon>	Can't you simply delete referring page?
[07:00:11] <xushi>	i would, but not sure where from. Could you please direct me ?
[07:00:32] <PhycoFalcon>	You can access it by clicking 'redirected from' link on the upper left of the article
[07:02:42] <xushi>	PhycoFalcon : i seeit now. However, i can't see how to delete it. It could be because i'm not logged in as admin, will check in a sec
[07:12:36] <bainer>	does anyone know if bug 10280 has been applied to the servers yet? I would imagine it has been, the fix was checked into the schema in the middle of June: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10280
[07:13:46] <xushi>	thanks PhycoFalcon. it worked now
[07:14:05] <PhycoFalcon>	Awesome. I'm glad I was able to help. :-)
[07:16:08] <xushi>	what i'd like to see is bug 9866 being fixed =/
[07:23:15] <Catnip96>	Why doesn't MediaWiki use <abbr> and <acronym>?
[07:23:41] <PhycoFalcon>	You can use a glossary extension for that.
[07:24:18] <Catnip96>	?
[07:24:26] <PhycoFalcon>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Glossary
[07:24:27] <Catnip96>	Why are they not used by default?
[07:24:58] <Catnip96>	Instead, articles on Wikipedia always do "FBI (Federal Beauriy of Investigation)".
[07:25:45] <PhycoFalcon>	I dunno. You can always try to correct that. ;-)
[07:29:58] <Catnip96>	Correct it?
[07:30:02] <Catnip96>	Why wasn't it done originally?
[07:30:18] <Catnip96>	Guess I shouldn't be surprised as it uses non-exisetent <i> and <b> as well.
[07:30:31] <PhycoFalcon>	You can use that markup.
[07:31:06] <Catnip96>	...
[07:31:07] <Catnip96>	What?
[07:32:09] <PhycoFalcon>	Yeah, those two tags work inside of MediaWiki.
[07:46:40] <xushi>	is it possible to have sub-menus ?
[07:46:54] <PhycoFalcon>	sub-menus where?
[07:46:55] <xushi>	you have the top main menu tree, then halfway in the pages uyou have another sub-menu 
[07:47:31] <PhycoFalcon>	You mean, like, ==Title== ===Subtitle=== ?
[07:47:53] <xushi>	say you have 20 =heading=, each with many ==headings== and ===headings===. Around the 15th =heading=, you want that part to have its own menu, because it's huge.
[07:48:59] <PhycoFalcon>	Oh... Hrm... You want a second ToC?
[07:49:02] <xushi>	yes
[07:49:24] <PhycoFalcon>	I'd suggest you split that page up, if it's so large. That's what they'd do on Wikipedia.
[07:49:25] <xushi>	if not totally seperate from the main one, maybe a duplicate copy of the part of the TOC
[07:49:53] <xushi>	true, and i do, but at some certain scenarios they should be in 1 page, like now
[07:50:20] <xushi>	actually that's an intersting question.. how to duplicate part of the TOC elsewhere in the page :)
[07:50:58] <xushi>	one would have a TOC at the top, then for each =title=, its own sub-TOC for its part.
[07:50:59] <PhycoFalcon>	Yeah!
[07:51:11] <PhycoFalcon>	That would be an excellent idea for an extension.
[07:55:17] <xushi>	i think it worked!
[07:55:48] <PhycoFalcon>	What worked ?
[07:55:50] <xushi>	damn, nope
[07:56:04] <PhycoFalcon>	:-/
[07:58:15] <Pathoschild>	xushi: You can manually duplicate the whole TOC by adding __TOC__ (remember to add one at the top too), though that's rather tedious.
[08:00:31] <xushi>	i'll add this to the wishlist after a bit more googling
[08:02:27] <PhycoFalcon>	Pathoschild: I don't think that works.
[08:03:23] <Pathoschild>	...apparently not. It used to, though.
[08:03:57] <PhycoFalcon>	:-/
[08:21:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Timestamp support for categorymembers query - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10890 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (stephen.bain)
[08:36:15] <xushi>	I'm reading an article that shows many (too many) different ways in editing the menu on the left side of the wiki.. What's the best way to edit it now? through Mediawiki:Sidebar ?
[08:36:39] <MinuteElectron>	yep
[08:37:48] <Pathoschild>	xushi: See < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar >
[08:38:01] <xushi>	thanks
[08:38:13] <Pathoschild>	Welcome.
[08:57:22] <foobar0>	anyone here?
[08:58:00] <PhycoFalcon>	sure.
[08:58:29] <foobar0>	PhycoFalcon: you follow commits?
[08:58:49] <PhycoFalcon>	eugh, that's a dull proposition...
[08:58:53] <MinuteElectron>	hmm come on rob church
[08:58:54] <foobar0>	hehe
[08:59:07] <foobar0>	well maybe someone's seen a related bugzilla
[08:59:46] <foobar0>	no edit summary box in firefox or safari shipping on enwiki or meta when &section=new
[09:04:22] <MinuteElectron>	window 7
[09:04:25] <MinuteElectron>	dammit
[09:06:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) OR operator does not add up results properly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10873  +comment (10rainman)
[09:20:11] <xushi>	argh! i'm pulling my hair :(
[09:20:34] <xushi>	i've been trying this group based access control extension, but it just wont work. I can't find a fix for it and it seems that there's no development help in the page =/
[09:21:33] <Duesentrieb>	xushi: use Lockdown
[09:21:44] <xushi>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Group_Based_Access_Control#Problems_adding_new_internal_groups
[09:21:52] <xushi>	Lockdown? thanks, i'll read about it now
[09:22:36] <Duesentrieb>	$wgGroupPermissions['Developers']['read'] = true; is correct though
[09:22:48] <Duesentrieb>	$wgGroupPermissions['Developers']; is not a statement. it doesn't do anything.
[09:22:53] <xushi>	would you recommend Lockdown over Group Based AC ?
[09:23:16] <Duesentrieb>	xushi: well, i have not tried  Group Based AC, and i wrote Lockdown. Does that answer your question?
[09:23:26] <xushi>	hehe, quite :)
[09:25:32] <Duesentrieb>	xushi: afaik, GBAC is per-page, controlled via the web, but only has read/edit. Lockdown is per namespace, fixed in the configuration, but can use any combination of group and permission. And it has extra controll for special pages.
[09:27:45] <xushi>	Duesentrieb: i'm reading about it now. It seems very well-structured (good work). I'll give it a try tonight on my dev machine.
[09:29:47] <Duesentrieb>	xushi: keep in mind that you should add to $wgNonincludableNamespaces for read-restrictions to be effective. All extensions i know of can be bypassed using template-inclusion if you don't do that.
[09:30:16] <xushi>	"restricting access not fully possible........" heh.. i wonder if there's an alternative to MW which is.. I can use both simultaniously then
[09:30:44] <Duesentrieb>	this does not exist before 1.10, btw. before 1.10, the only effective protection agains reading is disalowing access to *all* pages except a few in wgWhitelistRead.
[09:31:08] <Duesentrieb>	xushi: sure, use a CMS. or a corporation-style wiki.
[09:31:16] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki is not really designed for this type of thing
[09:31:34] <Duesentrieb>	i stuffed the most gaping holes before 1.10 was rolled out, but still.
[09:32:03] <xushi>	yea.. but a CMS is not really designed for document management (the way wiki is) for many developers to contribute in. As for corporation-stly wikis, i don't know any of the top of my head.
[09:32:27] <xushi>	MW offers me the best alternative, where many can edit freely.. The problem is with the sensitive information that only management should see (as well as one or two project leaders)
[09:32:50] <Duesentrieb>	i think twiki is popolar in that area (or was it tikiwiki? i keep confusing them)
[09:33:04] <Duesentrieb>	mindqary looked interresting too, but i don't know if it's what you want
[09:33:56] <Duesentrieb>	xushi: generally: why have *secret* stuff on a wiki? or more importantly, on the same wiki as non-secret stuff?
[09:34:46] <zocky>	Duesentrieb, so you can easily switch things from being "secret" to public and back
[09:35:19] <xushi>	well, the wiki is a list of the projects we all work on. However, there are certain projects that only certain people need access too (not everyone) for safety reasons, which contain sensitive material. I guess that's why
[09:35:35] <jeremyb>	what if you have release notes in a wiki (i've seen that done) and you want to restrict read access before the release?
[09:35:40] <Duesentrieb>	zocky: publishing is easily done with transwiki-import. taking stuff back doesn't make sense, but you can always simply delete
[09:35:48] <xushi>	I could have another wiki setup, but i'd end up with many to manage, while it would be more appropriate to manage just 1 wiki that handles private/public access
[09:36:52] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, sure, i can see the point of read restrictions (i have a private area on my personal wiki myself). but if it's *secret*, as in *critical* data... well, mediawiki is not for that. mediawiki is for sharing data.
[09:37:14] <Duesentrieb>	you can lock it down somewhat, but don't rely on it. there are no guaranteed.
[09:38:08] <Duesentrieb>	*critical* data should not be on a webserver. at all. 
[09:38:26] <jeremyb>	hehe
[09:38:28] <jeremyb>	sure about that?
[09:40:13] *jeremyb 	notes the web browser is now a thin client and a platform for deploying cross platform (2 different platforms there)
[09:42:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change the summary on creating of new section - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10836  (10wmbugzilla)
[10:07:46] <danimo>	hi
[10:08:57] <danimo>	after an upgrade from 1.8.2 to 1.10.1 mediawiki seems to deny showing SVG
[10:09:16] <danimo>	issuing "Warning: This file may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised."
[10:12:26] <Duesentrieb>	danimo: this would indicate it doesn't even try to render the svg. have you generated a fewsh localsettings.php when upgrading (i.e. did you use the web-based installer?) in that case you must set up svg rendering again.
[10:12:51] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: no, I just copied it over
[10:13:18] <danimo>	purge didn't work either
[10:13:25] <Duesentrieb>	that could also be a mistake :) but the settings for svg didn't change, think.
[10:14:34] <Duesentrieb>	danimo: look for settings staring with $wgSVG in your LocalSettings php. check that they are correct.
[10:14:44] <Duesentrieb>	there should be at least $wgSVGConverter
[10:15:09] <danimo>	$wgSVGConverters += array('qsvg' => '/usr/bin/qsvg-convert $width $height $input $output', );
[10:15:09] <danimo>	$wgSVGConverterPath = '/usr/bin/';
[10:15:09] <danimo>	$wgSVGConverter = 'qsvg';
[10:15:17] <Duesentrieb>	qsvg? what's that?
[10:15:25] <Duesentrieb>	ah, you defined it, i see
[10:15:46] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: yepp, my very own converter. always worked nicely. uses the qt 4.x svg renderer
[10:15:56] <Duesentrieb>	neat.
[10:16:11] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: yes, and very fast and reliable compared to other solutions
[10:16:17] <Duesentrieb>	danimo: try with a freshly uploaded svg. it might be that mime type used to represent svg internally has changed.
[10:16:26] <danimo>	it did indeed
[10:16:27] <Duesentrieb>	svg vs svg+xml or something
[10:16:37] <danimo>	but I ran the upgrade script..
[10:17:17] <Duesentrieb>	don't think the update script fixes that. it might, but it probably doesn't. i thought the code would be robust against the type used in the db though.
[10:17:24] <Duesentrieb>	but i havn't looked at it in a while.
[10:17:30] <Duesentrieb>	did you try a fresh upload?
[10:17:31] <danimo>	ah: Action_launch.svg‎  (file size: 29 KB, MIME type: unknown/unknown)
[10:17:34] <danimo>	damn!
[10:17:43] <danimo>	seems to be mimetype related
[10:17:54] <danimo>	I ran the update script before moving the image folder over
[10:17:57] <danimo>	crap
[10:18:17] <Duesentrieb>	unknown/unknown for a fresh upload, or an old one?
[10:18:20] <danimo>	old
[10:18:28] <Duesentrieb>	try fresh.
[10:18:48] <Duesentrieb>	with a *new* name
[10:21:22] <danimo>	yepp
[10:21:28] <danimo>	it tells me: Error creating thumbnail: 
[10:21:37] <danimo>	but the mime type is allright now
[10:22:05] <danimo>	haha, and the inability to call the render is because of: Warning: exec() has been disabled for security reasons 
[10:22:19] <danimo>	awesome :}
[10:27:58] *NotAmused 	posts to wikitech-l and ducks
[10:28:02] <NotAmused>	VoiceOfAll: see wikitech-l
[10:28:24] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: does mediawiki disable exec()?
[10:28:57] <tomin>	Would anyone have the time to help me try to figure out how to install Media Wiki on my webbhotel?
[10:29:15] <tomin>	Im pretty sure it runs all the preqs
[10:29:57] <danimo>	ah no, our sysadmin did it it seems
[10:34:06] <MinuteElectron>	aww where is robchurch
[10:43:22] <TheFearow>	Apparentally, not her.e
[10:46:04] <Nikerabbit>	ugaga hello
[10:47:25] <Jack_Phoenix>	rar
[11:02:44] *MinuteElectron 	wonders how long it will take to truncate the text table of meta-wiki;
[11:16:56] <MinuteElectron>	erm, wtf? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Authentication
[11:19:17] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: Am I right in thinking you are the author of the Bad Behaviour extension?
[11:20:31] <MinuteElectron>	No you weren't, sorry.
[11:24:30] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: I fixed the mimetype manually in the db now
[11:24:57] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: but I don't get a proper preview image, only the generic svg mimetype if I look into the svg's details page
[11:29:48] <Duesentrieb>	danimo: purge the page
[11:30:24] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: doesn't MediaWiki:Purge do that?
[11:30:48] <Duesentrieb>	MediaWiki:Purge? that would be a system message.
[11:30:58] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: ah, ok
[11:31:06] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: how can I purge all images?
[11:31:12] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: because that did work indeed
[11:31:27] <Duesentrieb>	touching LocalSettings.php should flush all caches
[11:32:10] <Duesentrieb>	well, it does not cause thumbnails to be *re*rendered - but since your problem is that you don't have any, it should work.
[11:32:20] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: doesn't work quite as it should
[11:32:49] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: now I get "Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters" for all images but the one I purged manually
[11:33:03] <danimo>	(svg images that is, png ones always worked fine)
[11:33:05] <Duesentrieb>	that's odd. quite odd.
[11:33:28] *danimo 	agrees
[11:33:28] <danimo>	:)
[11:34:03] <Duesentrieb>	you'd have to dig in to find out what parameters are wrong, and why,
[11:34:11] <Duesentrieb>	or you purge manually.
[11:34:41] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: is there no "purge all images"?
[11:34:57] <Duesentrieb>	i don't think so
[11:35:10] <Duesentrieb>	or rather: you did. it broke.
[11:37:18] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: but how can it ask for different parameters?
[11:37:39] <jeremyb>	Duesentrieb: there have been a few people asking about purging all at once
[11:37:48] <Duesentrieb>	i don't even know what parameters it is complaining about
[11:38:00] <Duesentrieb>	can you purge the broken onesmanually? does it work then?
[11:38:10] <Duesentrieb>	jeremyb: all *what*?
[11:38:22] <Duesentrieb>	pages? no problem. touch LocalSettings.php
[11:38:50] <Duesentrieb>	rendered thumbnails? uh... not sure. 
[11:39:01] <jeremyb>	Duesentrieb: pages, images, whatever they were having problems with.  also someone wanted to know where the cache was because they needed to know size of page after transclusion
[11:39:33] <Duesentrieb>	cache can be in a lot of places. and different types of things are cached.
[11:39:50] <Duesentrieb>	wikitext-after-transclusion is *not* cached. only fully expanded to html.
[11:40:38] <Duesentrieb>	and that is stored alonw with meta-info, as a serialized php object. 
[11:40:49] <Duesentrieb>	there's no poin in trying to access this type of thing directly.
[11:41:16] <jeremyb>	Duesentrieb: i think they would have been happy with full expansion
[11:41:27] <jeremyb>	Duesentrieb: i think they were just ranking pages
[11:41:36] <Duesentrieb>	uh, action=redner?
[11:41:40] <Duesentrieb>	*render
[11:42:11] <jeremyb>	so send an http request for *every* page?
[11:42:21] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[11:42:33] *jeremyb 	would have thought there would be a simpler way
[11:42:34] <Duesentrieb>	or write a php script that does the equivalent on the command line
[11:42:43] <Duesentrieb>	do not access caches directly. it will not work.
[11:43:03] <Duesentrieb>	"cache" means "hidden". that's how it should be.
[11:44:33] <Duesentrieb>	jeremyb: the question is: *why* would you really want this? do do what? I can't think of any sane reason.
[11:45:06] <jeremyb>	Duesentrieb: they were ranking pages based on size and they had a lot of transclusion throwing it off (private not WMF)
[11:45:59] <Duesentrieb>	the *right* way to do that would be to write this ficure into the database when the page is rendered
[11:46:09] <Duesentrieb>	however, note that a page may render differently for different users.
[11:46:15] <Duesentrieb>	resulting in different length
[11:50:26] <danimo>	Duesentrieb: I fixed it now using good old curl :)
[11:50:38] <danimo>	(in batch mode for all images)
[12:00:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) One too many edits flagged as "updated since my last visit" on Commons when the last edit I saw was mine. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10884  +comment (10FSNNDYHEXYAP)
[12:06:14] <MinuteElectron>	I am having trouble installing a dump using mwdumper.jar
[12:06:27] <MinuteElectron>	It only imports 1000 pages of metawiki but imported every page of mediawikiwiki
[12:15:54] <Yamazuki>	can wiki work on oracle? 
[12:16:10] <MinuteElectron>	Yamazuki: With some hacks, it is only in BETA>
[12:16:17] <MinuteElectron>	You have to manually set the wiki up.
[12:16:23] <MinuteElectron>	And it may die.
[12:16:36] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: Does you ContactPage extension use a captcha when ConfirmEdit is installed?
[12:19:47] <Monk33>	Hi. Is it possible to have an Underscore _ in the article name? It will automatically be converted to a free space :/
[12:21:31] <Jack_Phoenix>	don't think so
[12:22:17] <Monk33>	ok thanks
[12:42:18] <VeliV>	hello, could recommend some way I can make a site with wiki, news, forums and gallery?
[12:45:04] <VeliV>	basicly, the header for each site would be the same, and containing links to all "modules" of the site, but I would like to have a unified login and userdatabase for all users
[12:59:03] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: no support for captchas there yet. i couldn't figure out how to do it.
[12:59:58] <Duesentrieb>	VeliV: shared login should be in the faq. it's not trivial, but not too hard either,
[13:01:30] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: Ok.
[13:04:54] <VeliV>	Duesentrieb, cant really find it, only found how to disable the link to create users
[13:08:35] <Duesentrieb>	VeliV: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[13:08:55] <VeliV>	ok thx
[13:09:40] <VeliV>	is there a way to use mediawiki as a news site? Or should I fetch some standalone news management system
[13:10:29] <Duesentrieb>	VeliV: limited support. Look at Extension:News, and "Dynamic Page List" (DPL) and also DPL2
[13:10:32] <Duesentrieb>	there may be more.
[13:10:58] <VeliV>	ok, you ahve been most helpful
[13:51:15] <dtolj>	was anyone able to configure Miscosoft AD LDAP authentication with LAMP setup?
[14:05:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change the - char from 'ndash' to 'minus' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10891 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (jleedev)
[14:31:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #52, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10892 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (shinjiman)
[14:31:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #52, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10892  (10shinjiman)
[14:45:57] <kiba>	hello
[14:49:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) (First) list items not properly formatted in ordered lists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10893 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (jonathan)
[14:50:02] <kiba>	look like I don't need help after all
[14:58:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) (First) list items not properly formatted in ordered lists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10893  (10jonathan)
[16:34:59] <hojjat>	Hey I just created a patch, and reverted my working copy. Now I need something else to fix, before sending the patch.
[16:35:06] <hojjat>	How can I apply the patch locally?
[16:35:28] <hojjat>	(I'm using command line SVN)
[16:36:02] <prad>	I was trying to customize the mediawiki layout (1.5.4) as per the following link
[16:36:12] <prad>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Layout_customization#How_do_I_remove_the_special_page_tab.3F
[16:36:35] <prad>	but it is still showing the special pages in toolbox (left side menu)
[16:36:48] <Shinjiman>	hojjat: Can't use the "svn merge" command?
[16:37:53] <hojjat>	Shinjiman, I thought it is the answer, but the help section was too confusing.
[16:38:20] <Duesentrieb>	no, svn merge is for two version that are both checked in
[16:38:37] <Duesentrieb>	hojjat: patches are applied suing the path command.
[16:38:43] <Duesentrieb>	on linux, try man path
[16:38:46] <samuelk>	i got a question... how du u change default skin?
[16:38:48] <Duesentrieb>	on windows... no idea.
[16:39:12] <hojjat>	Are you on linux now, Duesentrieb?
[16:39:41] <Duesentrieb>	samuelk: set $wgDefaultSkin in LocalSettings.php. Note that this allpies only to anonymous visitors and new users. registered users have a skin defined in their preferences.
[16:39:45] <Duesentrieb>	hojjat: yes.
[16:39:55] <Shinjiman>	On Windows, if using the TortoiseSVN, just right click the folder -> TortoiseSVN -> apply patch.
[16:40:07] <hojjat>	Duesentrieb, can you do me a favor then? I send the files to you, and you merge them and send back to me?
[16:40:16] <samuelk>	ok duesentrieb
[16:40:17] <hojjat>	shinjiman, I don't have ToroiseSVN installed :(
[16:40:20] <Duesentrieb>	no. i gotta fix dinner
[16:40:31] <Duesentrieb>	also, if you want to use svn, learn to apply patches
[16:40:34] <Duesentrieb>	it's simple, and usefull
[16:40:47] <hojjat>	?
[16:41:09] <Duesentrieb>	hojjat: patch is available for windows as part of cygwin, and there are probably native ports too (maybe unxutils has it). ask google
[16:41:25] <hojjat>	aha. Understood
[16:41:26] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, goota go
[16:41:28] <Duesentrieb>	bbl
[16:41:33] <hojjat>	thanks
[16:41:56] <samuelk>	hmm duesentrieb do i just type  set $wgDefaultSkin?
[16:42:08] <samuelk>	in the localsettings.php
[16:42:09] <samuelk>	?
[16:43:02] <Shinjiman>	mmm... Just seen the recently fixed bug 9153, r23979, and its release notes...
[16:43:15] <lejocelyn>	hi
[16:43:30] <lejocelyn>	I'm trying to uĝrade to 1.10.0
[16:43:30] <Shinjiman>	hi lejocelyn :)
[16:43:51] <lejocelyn>	of course, I've done a backup
[16:44:23] <lejocelyn>	Your session save path appears to be invalid or is not writable. PHP needs to be able to save data to this location in order for correct session operation. Please check that session.save_path in PHP.ini points to a valid path, and is read/write/execute for the user your web server is running under. 
[16:44:40] <lejocelyn>	what is my session save path ?
[16:44:54] <Shinjiman>	... Are you running PHP on Windows?
[16:45:14] <lejocelyn>	no
[16:45:16] <lejocelyn>	Debian
[16:46:13] <lejocelyn>	I can't find any PHP.ini
[16:46:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Updates to MessagesFa.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10405  (10huji.huji)
[16:46:29] <Shinjiman>	can you find the php.ini file on [/etc], or such similar directory?
[16:46:43] <chat-de-plafond>	it's at /etc/php/apache*/php.ini, usually
[16:46:56] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Updates to MessagesFa.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10405  (10huji.huji)
[16:46:57] <lejocelyn>	well, I'm not the administratoir of the server
[16:48:26] <chat-de-plafond>	then stab the person who is :)
[16:48:41] <Shinjiman>	well, the "session.save_path" value maybe depends on the distribution, for example, in Fedora distribution, the session.save_path is saved in [/var/lib/php/session].
[16:50:16] <prad>	how do we remove Special pages from toolbox
[16:50:33] <prad>	the version of mediawiki I am using is 1.5.4
[16:50:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Reopen the bug on submitting an attachment - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10894 15enhancement; low; Wikimedia: MediaZilla; (huji.huji)
[16:53:04] <lejocelyn>	Shinjiman: is there a way to change the way save are made ?
[16:53:18] <lejocelyn>	Shinjiman: I think they won't change PHP.ini
[16:53:34] <lejocelyn>	Shinjiman: is that a "new feature" from 1.10 ?
[16:53:52] <chat-de-plafond>	no
[16:53:56] <chat-de-plafond>	it's a PHP thing
[16:55:38] <lejocelyn>	chat-de-plafond: what it was working and now that I'm trying to update, it doesn't ?
[16:58:06] <lejocelyn>	does it mean that the server configuration changed ?
[16:58:57] <chat-de-plafond>	hm, not sure
[17:00:30] <emrezer>	hi does anyone knows how to hide a page?
[17:00:43] <lejocelyn>	emrezer: hide ?
[17:00:48] <lejocelyn>	behind what ?
[17:00:57] <lejocelyn>	and to whom ?
[17:01:17] <emrezer>	to the users
[17:01:41] <lejocelyn>	well, don't publish it
[17:01:46] <lejocelyn>	to all of your users ?
[17:02:07] <emrezer>	for example I want to hide checkuser page
[17:02:39] <emrezer>	but its hidden another example I want to hide searchlog
[17:02:55] <emrezer>	or I want to hide version page
[17:05:25] <emrezer>	so?
[17:11:28] <samuelk>	are there anyway to remake localsettings?
[17:13:07] <TimStarling>	run the installer
[17:13:46] <rainman-sr>	hi tim
[17:16:30] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Reopen the bug on submitting an attachment - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10894  +comment (10robchur)
[17:17:17] <TimStarling>	hi
[17:29:15] <Higdur>	one of my wiki user have lost their p/w, and for some reason the retrival mail did not arrive
[17:29:43] <Higdur>	is there any way I can retrieve the p/w form the database or reset the 24 hour cooldown on password retrieval
[17:33:03] <spiderworm>	how do i enable template conditionals?  i thought it was out of the box but its not working for me
[17:33:20] <spiderworm>	{{#if: {{{previous|}}} | <div>previous page: [[{{{previous}}}]]</div>}} that sort of thing
[17:33:22] <JackP|afk>	install ParserFunctions extension - that helps ;)
[17:33:39] <spiderworm>	sweet! thanks
[17:33:49] <JackP|afk>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/
[17:38:35] <Higdur>	any idea how to fix it?
[17:40:30] <|-chris-|>	hi
[17:40:49] <|-chris-|>	i've got a question about configuring my wiki
[17:41:09] <|-chris-|>	i've closed the Articles to be edited only by users of the wiki
[17:41:25] <|-chris-|>	but how can i open the discussion pages for everybody?
[17:55:51] <lejocelyn>	Shinjiman:  can I change the save_path ?
[17:56:23] <lejocelyn>	before installing MediaWiki
[17:59:46] <lejocelyn>	or what are the problems caused by disabling session path ?
[18:00:32] <Shinjiman>	can, if your php.ini is writable in your system.
[18:00:58] <lejocelyn>	no, I don't have the right to modify it
[18:01:09] <lejocelyn>	and the administrator won't change its configuration
[18:01:42] <Shinjiman>	lejocelyn: maybe several reasons. The save_path directory is not exists or non writable.
[18:03:32] <lejocelyn>	Shinjiman: not sure to understand
[18:04:37] <lejocelyn>	I don't own the server
[18:04:46] <lejocelyn>	I can't change its configuration
[18:04:52] <Shinjiman>	lejocelyn: can u read the php.ini file?
[18:04:58] <lejocelyn>	non
[18:04:59] <lejocelyn>	no
[18:05:27] <lejocelyn>	well, I know how it is configured
[18:05:40] <lejocelyn>	or almost
[18:05:42] <lejocelyn>	http://hack.tuxfamily.org/phpinfo.php5
[18:06:43] <lejocelyn>	where do I change the save_oath ?
[18:06:55] <Shinjiman>	forgotten the values also can get from phpinfo(). :)
[18:07:34] <Shinjiman>	for the return of the phpinfo, your php save_path is set to /data/web/tmp/sessions/ .
[18:07:47] <lejocelyn>	yep I know
[18:07:50] <Shinjiman>	Please make sure the /data/web/tmp/sessions/ directory is writable.
[18:08:02] <lejocelyn>	but how to tell so to MediaWiki
[18:08:02] <lejocelyn>	?
[18:08:28] <Shinjiman>	the MediaWiki can install when /data/web/tmp/sessions/ is writable.
[18:09:47] <Shinjiman>	can't you change the permissions for that directory?
[18:10:05] <lejocelyn>	I don't think so
[18:10:13] <lejocelyn>	I'm asking the administrators
[18:11:38] <lejocelyn>	Shinjiman: 
[18:11:39] <lejocelyn>	drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 675840 2007-08-12 20:11 /data/web/tmp/sessions/
[18:12:16] <lejocelyn>	sp yes
[18:14:34] <Shinjiman>	hmmmm............
[18:14:46] <Shinjiman>	seems my session is shown as:
[18:14:46] <Shinjiman>	drwxrwx--- 2 root apache 4096 2007-05-08 20:16 session
[18:15:05] <lejocelyn>	well
[18:15:09] <lejocelyn>	no problem then
[18:27:17] <prad>	someboddddddddddddddddddyyyyyyyyyyyy please help
[18:27:46] <lejocelyn>	pra ?
[18:27:49] <lejocelyn>	prad: ?
[18:27:59] <prad>	Ihi
[18:28:01] <prad>	hi
[18:28:15] <lejocelyn>	what's the problem ? don't change the topic please
[18:28:43] <prad>	sorry about that
[18:28:55] <lejocelyn>	prad:  you did it on purpose
[18:29:08] <lejocelyn>	prad: a lot of people would have ban you for this
[18:29:10] <prad>	I was trying to remove the special pages from the tool box 
[18:29:10] <lejocelyn>	anyway
[18:29:22] <Jack_Phoenix>	please don't f*ck up the topic again, kthx
[18:29:29] <prad>	as per the url
[18:29:50] <kiba>	hello
[18:29:52] <prad>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Layout_customization#How_do_I_remove_the_special_page_tab.3F
[18:29:58] <prad>	but it is not working ... :(
[18:30:10] <Jack_Phoenix>	meh
[18:30:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	meta-wiki's docs are oldd and outdated
[18:30:36] <prad>	the wiki I am running is 1.5.4
[18:30:50] <prad>	is there anyway to remove it from toolbox
[18:30:51] <Nikerabbit>	ugaga
[18:31:55] <prad>	any help ?
[18:33:45] <lejocelyn>	prad:  why don't you update your wiki ?
[18:34:02] <lejocelyn>	prad: outdated wiki may be aren't still documented
[18:34:35] <prad>	the thing is that I cannot update it now
[18:35:22] <prad>	is there anyway to remove that link without updating it
[18:35:26] <lejocelyn>	strange
[18:35:31] <Jack_Phoenix>	1.5 has been unsupported for a long while anyway
[18:35:37] <lejocelyn>	Environment checked. You can install MediaWiki.
[18:35:45] <prad>	however thank you for your suggestion lejocelyn
[18:35:49] <lejocelyn>	but it also says
[18:35:50] <lejocelyn>	Something's not quite right yet; make sure everything below is filled out correctly.
[18:36:09] <lejocelyn>	prad:  why can't you update your wiki ?
[18:36:11] <_Danny_B_>	is it possible to do cascade semi-protection?
[18:36:49] <Jack_Phoenix>	_Danny_B_: IIRC, cascading protection works only w/ edit=sysop and move=sysop
[18:37:13] <prad>	lot of customization has been done to that wiki ... so I am afraid ... upgrading will lose all those settings
[18:37:20] <_Danny_B_>	hmm, we'd need to do semi-protection
[18:38:30] <lejocelyn>	prad: well, that's the problem with non-official customuization 
[18:38:56] <prad>	yeah ... I understand
[18:38:57] *kiba 	ponders where to edit the interface
[18:39:02] <lejocelyn>	prad: read the up to date doc and look if it would work
[18:39:19] <kiba>	so I can include ads and some other stuff
[18:40:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	kiba: for ads, hack the skin - preferrably /skins/MonoBook.php
[18:40:27] <kiba>	Jack_Phoenix: Thanks
[18:40:42] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[18:40:54] <lejocelyn>	:/ it doesn't want to install because my database username is too long
[18:40:57] <lejocelyn>	...
[18:41:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	create a new db user?
[18:41:23] <kiba>	MonoBook.php?
[18:41:30] <prad>	lejocelyn: thanks, I'll check 
[18:41:47] <lejocelyn>	well, actually that's my ancient user name for MediaWiki 1.9.3
[18:42:10] *kiba 	found it
[18:43:37] <lejocelyn>	Jack_Phoenix: and it says I can install but it doesn't work
[18:43:39] <lejocelyn>	strange
[18:43:45] <Jack_Phoenix>	indeed...
[18:43:53] <lejocelyn>	Something's not quite right yet; make sure everything below is filled out correctly.
[18:44:11] <lejocelyn>	wikidocument_wikibase Username too long
[18:44:21] <lejocelyn>	Environment checked. You can install MediaWiki.
[18:44:27] <lejocelyn>	bug report ?
[18:52:21] <lejocelyn>	Jack_Phoenix: any idea ?
[18:52:34] <Jack_Phoenix>	no idea, I suggest searching Bugzilla
[18:52:42] <Jack_Phoenix>	and if nothing helpful comes up, report a bug
[18:52:46] <Jack_Phoenix>	or poke someone here
[19:06:04] <lejocelyn>	Jack_Phoenix: someone like who ?
[19:06:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	the devs, people like Brion, Tim etc.
[19:14:50] *kiba 	ponders where to modify the template
[19:18:45] <MinuteElectron>	lejocelyn: THe username you put is impossible.
[19:18:52] <MinuteElectron>	Since it is too long for mysql to handle.
[19:19:31] <MinuteElectron>	since it probably uses a short blob\varchar than can be handled
[19:19:37] <MinuteElectron>	lejocelyn: choose a shorter username
[19:19:48] <lejocelyn>	I found out what was the problem
[19:19:50] <lejocelyn>	:)
[19:20:42] <lejocelyn>	well, actualy, no
[19:23:07] <lejocelyn>	MinuteElectron: I can't change it, it was my previous database username
[19:23:24] <kiba>	wee!
[19:23:34] <kiba>	I hope I don't run out of MySQL space soon
[19:23:42] <kiba>	only 10 MB..is that a lot or little?
[19:23:46] <lejocelyn>	MinuteElectron:  I'm updating MediaWiki
[19:23:55] <lejocelyn>	kiba: depend of waht you do
[19:24:41] <kiba>	would be terrible if spambots spammed my website..they would waste my MySQL space
[19:27:38] <Bluto>	Hi everyone.  I'm trying to allow a javascript to show up on my wiki (a news feed specifically) but can't seem to figure it out.  Does anyoen have any experience with this?  Thanks.
[19:28:19] <lejocelyn>	MinuteElectron:  the MySQL of my server is patched to accept long name ...
[19:28:59] <lejocelyn>	is there a simple way to force the installation ?
[19:29:18] <MinuteElectron>	lejocelyn: *shrug*
[19:29:33] <MinuteElectron>	lejocelyn: one sec
[19:29:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) For admins, a "Move Page" check-box to avoid leaving a redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062  (10lilewyn)
[19:30:10] <MinuteElectron>	lejocelyn: edit config/index.php
[19:30:24] <MinuteElectron>	on line 611 change 16 to a higher value
[19:30:35] <lejocelyn>	ok
[19:30:37] <lejocelyn>	thanks
[19:30:54] <Bluto>	(I added the javascript/javascript.php file  and also $wgAllowUserJs = true; to the localsettings page)
[19:32:26] <lejocelyn>	MinuteElectron:  /* Test memcached servers */ ?
[19:32:45] <MinuteElectron>	lejocelyn: Which version of MediaWIki
[19:33:00] <lejocelyn>	1.10
[19:33:33] <MinuteElectron>	Do a find for "Username too long" it is on the line above.
[19:33:47] <lejocelyn>	ok
[19:34:25] <lejocelyn>	MinuteElectron:  found it :)
[19:34:37] <lejocelyn>	if( ($conf->DBtype == 'mysql') && (strlen($conf->DBuser) > 16) ) {
[19:34:39] <Bluto>	And also, whenI try to view Special:Version I get a pge cannot be found error
[19:34:46] <MinuteElectron>	yep
[19:37:05] <Bluto>	I hope it's ok to re-ask my question (10 minutes since asking)  Forgive me if I sound impatient.
[19:37:41] <Bluto>	Hi everyone.  I'm trying to allow a javascript to show up on my wiki (a news feed specifically) but can't seem to figure it out.  Does anyone have any experience with this?  (I added the javascript/javascript.php file  and also $wgAllowUserJs = true; to the localsettings page)   And also, when I try to view Special:Version I get a page cannot be found error  Thanks.
[19:42:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgAutoconfirmCount to 20 for English Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10864  (10royalguard11)
[19:48:56] <Duesentrieb>	Bluto: what do you mean by "show up"?
[19:49:10] <Bluto>	If you go to http://myldsstuff.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[19:49:17] <Bluto>	all you see is the code
[19:49:25] <Bluto>	not the result of the code
[19:49:38] <Bluto>	THanks for answering Duesentrieb
[19:50:11] <Duesentrieb>	Bluto: first of all, Special:Version works fine: http://myldsstuff.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Version
[19:50:43] <Duesentrieb>	Bluto: Special:Version sais something about a javascript extension. not sure what that is supposed to be.
[19:50:46] <Bluto>	ok it must have jsut wanted to humiliate me before...
[19:51:01] <Bluto>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Javascript is what I thought I needed to do
[19:51:05] <Duesentrieb>	perhaps it's supposed to allow the <script> tag? that would actaully be very vervy dangerous
[19:51:18] <Duesentrieb>	there are... lots of way to include javascript.
[19:51:46] <Duesentrieb>	Bluto: wiki users should not be able to insert javascript into your pages. if they can do that, it's very easy for them to hijack accounts.
[19:52:12] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki takes great care to make this impossible, actually. if you install an extension that bypasses this... well, good luck to you.
[19:52:47] <Duesentrieb>	Bluto: what do you *actually* want to achieve?
[19:53:11] <Bluto>	ok I"ll remove that line then
[19:53:18] <Bluto>	I want the news feed to show up
[19:53:48] <Bluto>	But if javascript in general is a disaster waiting to happen...
[19:54:14] <Bluto>	Is it possible to insert RSS with an RSS reader on the wiki software?
[19:54:26] <Duesentrieb>	news feeds generally have nothing to do with js
[19:54:29] <Bluto>	Or is the wiki pretty much just for baisc text functions?
[19:54:39] <Duesentrieb>	yes, there are several rss reader extensions
[19:54:58] <Bluto>	I found one called CaRP
[19:55:29] <Bluto>	And was going to attempt that if the javascript version of the news feed was going to be unworkable
[19:55:35] <Duesentrieb>	the extension you have been using doesn't seem quite as bad as i was afraid it would be. if used with care, it can be usefull. i'd recommend Extension:HTMLets for stuff like this though. But for RSS, don't use JavaScript
[19:55:52] <Bluto>	ok
[19:56:00] <MinuteElectron>	lejocelyn: success?
[19:56:03] <Bluto>	THank you so much for your help.  I appreciate it
[19:56:30] <Duesentrieb>	Bluto: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:RSS_Extensions
[19:56:38] <Duesentrieb>	most of the are magpie based, but not all are.
[19:56:43] <Bluto>	ok
[19:56:54] <Bluto>	That HTMLets extension looks very useful
[19:57:00] <Bluto>	Thanks much!
[19:57:04] <Duesentrieb>	have fun
[19:57:11] <Bluto>	You deserve a raise... Or something
[19:57:20] <Bluto>	Have a good weekend, what's left of it
[19:57:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Your "login" line should say "email address" because that' s all that works - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10895 15enhancement; highest; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (trythirdtime)
[19:57:33] *Duesentrieb 	goes back to learning for his exam
[20:00:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) You should have the cursor appear at the search window, like other sites do - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10896 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (trythirdtime)
[20:01:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Your "login" line should say "email address" because that' s all that works - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10895  (10robchur)
[20:02:54] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) You should have the cursor appear at the search window, like other sites do - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10896  +comment (10robchur)
[20:02:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cursor should be placed in the search box - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  +comment (10robchur)
[20:02:58] *robchurch 	pauses, his finger on the magical BugZilla banninator
[20:05:46] <MinuteElectron>	robchurch: Hi, I've been wanting to speak with you all day.
[20:06:22] <robchurch>	Is it more or less important than what I'm doing now?
[20:06:31] <MinuteElectron>	Probably less.
[20:07:33] <MinuteElectron>	robchurch: But I wanted to know why my comment about using PCRE for XML parsing resulted in you throwing up in your mouth a little. Is there some reason why it is an extremely bad idea?
[20:08:09] <_Danny_B_>	to edit protected page which user right is requested? protect or editinterface?
[20:08:15] <MinuteElectron>	There was something else I wanted to speak with you about (one of your extensions) but I have forgotten.
[20:08:20] <robchurch>	_Danny_B_: Depends on the level of protection.
[20:08:31] <robchurch>	"editinterface" is for the MediaWiki namespace only
[20:08:32] <_Danny_B_>	protected not semi
[20:08:39] <robchurch>	"protect" by default, then
[20:08:53] <_Danny_B_>	hmm, this should be splitted
[20:08:58] <robchurch>	Note that it's possible to have more than four levels of protection.
[20:09:07] <robchurch>	It might not be "protect", in fact.
[20:09:40] <Duesentrieb>	doesn't "editprotected" exist for that?
[20:09:43] <_Danny_B_>	talking about editing of full protected page (= no move, no semi protecton)
[20:10:02] *MinuteElectron 	feels ignored, no one ever wants to talk to me.
[20:10:03] <_Danny_B_>	Duesentrieb: if it does, i didn't find it in documentation then
[20:10:36] <robchurch>	Well, RTFS then.
[20:10:49] <Duesentrieb>	hm, i don't see it. must have been a dream
[20:11:11] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: point me to the exact file then, pls. the source is pretty big ;-)
[20:11:16] <robchurch>	Anyway, protection and user rights is a bit more complicated than you might think, so don't jump to silly conclusions.
[20:11:35] <robchurch>	_Danny_B_: includes/DefaultSettings.php, of course. At least, that's where I'd look if I wanted to view the default permission settings.
[20:12:00] <_Danny_B_>	ok, second thing about protection - is it possible to do cascade semi-protecting and if not, why?
[20:12:09] <_Danny_B_>	thx for the link
[20:12:16] <Duesentrieb>	_Danny_B_: Title::userCan is a good place to start. there's another method in the article class, i think
[20:14:39] <_Danny_B_>	Duesentrieb: that was reply on edit protected or cascade semiprotect topic, pls?
[20:15:56] <MinuteElectron>	the former
[20:16:49] <robchurch>	I suspect that cascading protection is limited to certain levels because the interaction between various conflicting levels of protection on templates, pages, etc. hasn't been fully worked out yet.
[20:17:52] <robchurch>	MinuteElectron: Well, regular expressions are a bit overkill for parsing XML, especially when you have the far faster (and likely more reliable) parsers available to you; SimpleXML, or the nastier, but older methods.
[20:18:05] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: they should be cumulative
[20:18:10] <VoiceOfAll>	I remember rewriting that a while ago
[20:18:22] *robchurch 	shrugs
[20:18:28] <MinuteElectron>	robchurch: ok, I see.
[20:42:31] <MinuteElectron>	What is the difference between 'Extension Requests' and 'Wanted Extensions'?
[20:42:45] <Jack_Phoenix>	different pagename? :P
[20:42:52] <MinuteElectron>	:D
[20:42:54] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[21:16:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Split "protect" right to "protect" and "editprotected" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10897 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (danny_b)
[21:30:06] *kiba 	is having problem with setting up SpamBlackList extension
[21:31:15] <Rene>	good evening all
[21:33:37] <kiba>	do I must include a source for blacklist file or does it automatically retrives it?
[21:34:46] <Rene>	anybody an expert  in how to setup mediawiki in a different language ?
[21:36:40] <Rene>	anybody ?
[21:38:37] <kiba>	http://pastie.caboo.se/87043
[21:40:01] <Rene>	well, have fun all
[22:01:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API does not return an edit token for nonexistent pages when logged in - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10898 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (craig)
[22:09:45] <Maj>	Hi all 
[22:10:16] <Maj>	I am a newbie to mediawiki.... I already read the documentation .... 
[22:10:26] <Maj>	 have one doubt
[22:11:14] <Maj>	How do I disable toolbox 
[22:11:15] <Maj>	?
[22:11:29] <Maj>	:-P
[22:11:59] <Maj>	anybody in this chatroom ?
[22:13:19] <Maj>	I followed http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Layout_customization#How_do_I_remove_the_special_page_tab.3F
[22:13:26] <Maj>	but no luck 
[22:13:28] <Maj>	:(
[22:13:35] <Maj>	guys ???
[22:14:36] <Pathoschild>	Maj: You can hide it using CSS, or maybe manually remove it from the skin file.
[22:14:53] <Pathoschild>	Please don't change the topic.
[22:14:58] <Maj>	I did but it doesn't work 
[22:15:05] <Pathoschild>	Which did you do?
[22:15:06] <Maj>	sorry Pathoschild
[22:15:47] <Maj>	i modified the code http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Layout_customization#How_do_I_remove_the_special_page_tab.3F
[22:16:05] <Maj>	as per the instruction in the document
[22:16:16] <Maj>	but no luck :(
[22:17:00] <Maj>	I did modification in MonoBook.php
[22:17:19] <Pathoschild>	That is to remove the "Special" tab at the top of pages in the Special namespace, not to remove the toolbox.
[22:17:20] <Maj>	Is there any other file I  need to check ?
[22:17:59] <Pathoschild>	Do you know much about PHP and HTML coding?
[22:18:04] <Maj>	and what about How do I remove the toolbox for users that are not logged in?
[22:18:15] <Maj>	yeah I know PHP 
[22:18:45] <Maj>	Thankyou Pathoschild for helping me :)
[22:19:03] <Maj>	I need the answer of "How do I remove the toolbox for users that are not logged in"?
[22:19:27] <Pathoschild>	Yes, that is the one. You'll need to do it a little differently if you want to remove it for everyone, not only anonymous users.
[22:19:58] <Maj>	I want to remove it for everyone
[22:20:00] <Pathoschild>	Just remove everything between "<div class="portlet" id="p-tb">" and "</div>".
[22:20:26] <Maj>	in MonoBook.php right ?
[22:20:47] <Pathoschild>	Make sure the </div> is the one you need; it should be indented the same as the starting <div...>.
[22:20:53] <Pathoschild>	Yep.
[22:20:58] <Maj>	yeah :0
[22:20:59] <Maj>	:)
[22:21:30] <Pathoschild>	Remember that it will still be there in other skins, unless you [a] remove it from all skins, or [b] disable other skins.
[22:21:42] <Maj>	ok 
[22:21:47] <Maj>	understood :)
[22:21:53] <Maj>	let me check ;)
[22:23:49] <Maj>	ah!! sorry I don't want to disable it as a whole. I need to disable tool box for not logged in users
[22:24:50] <Pathoschild>	In that case, undo whatever you just did, and follow the instructions on that page.
[22:25:07] <Maj>	yeah I did but it doesn't seem to work
[22:26:58] <Pathoschild>	Did you try "How do I remove the toolbox for users that are not logged in", or "How do I remove the special page tab"?
[22:27:08] <Maj>	yeah 
[22:27:16] <Maj>	but bothe didn't work 
[22:27:17] <Maj>	:(
[22:27:53] <Maj>	am doublechecking it now
[22:27:56] *Pathoschild 	has no idea, then.
[22:42:59] <Maj>	Hi Pathoschild
[22:43:04] <Maj>	Still no luck
[22:43:36] <Maj>	I maded some changes ..... in the code but it is not affecting when am not logged in 
[22:43:46] <Maj>	I can see the changes after I login
[22:44:24] <Maj>	so I guess when a user doesn't login it is not checking the monobook.php page
[22:44:32] <Maj>	is it right ?
[22:45:37] <Pathoschild>	No, monobook.php is used for all users.
[22:45:44] <Pathoschild>	(anonymous or registered.)
[22:46:06] <Maj>	hmmm but I made some errors in the code too... 
[22:46:28] <Maj>	it doesn't show in anonymous (i.e not logged in )
[22:46:48] <Maj>	it show error  when I logged in 
[22:46:53] <Maj>	weired  :(
[22:47:57] <Pathoschild>	Try starting over from a default copy of monobook.php, and retrying those steps.
[22:48:17] <Maj>	hmm... let me check it :)
[22:49:52] <Maj>	in the documentation it is said to Go down to the bottom of the div block that you are editing and find the section that looks like this
[22:49:59] <Maj>	 wfRunHooks( 'MonoBookTemplateToolboxEnd', array( &$this ) );
[22:50:10] <datura>	hi
[22:50:11] <Maj>	but I didn't see anything like thath
[22:50:26] <Maj>	my wiki version is 1.5
[22:50:32] <Maj>	don't say to upgrade
[22:50:33] <datura>	i found some strange html code on a talkpage on wikipedia:de
[22:50:35] <datura>	<h2><sup><font size="3"><span class="editsection">
[22:50:49] <datura>	it should be <h2><span class="editsection">
[22:51:13] <datura>	is this a bug?
[22:52:39] <Pathoschild>	Maj: You don't need that; just find the section where that will be in later versions.
[22:52:42] <wknight8111>	do double-redirects fix themselves automatically?
[22:52:50] <Pathoschild>	datura: Link, please.
[22:52:53] <Pathoschild>	wknight8111: No.
[22:53:04] <wknight8111>	then i'm becoming retarded
[22:53:09] <Maj>	Ok :)
[22:53:22] <Pathoschild>	wknight8111: Although, some users run bots that fix them, and they're listed somewhere in [[Special:Specialpages]].
[22:55:14] <datura>	Pathoschild: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:D#hihi
[23:00:05] <Pathoschild>	datura: Weird; no idea. Maybe one of the developers changed something recently. Have you noticed it before?
[23:02:39] <Duesentrieb>	who uses <font> anyway?
[23:02:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	\o
[23:03:22] <Duesentrieb>	>_<
[23:04:06] <datura>	Pathoschild: i thinks it came with this edit: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion:D&diff=35457810&oldid=34919978
[23:04:42] <datura>	there's an unclosed <sup><font size="3">  in it.
[23:04:58] <datura>	but no idea why it gets duplicated after than in every header
[23:05:58] <datura>	damn.. s/thinks/think/;s/than/that/
[23:12:02] <kjdavies>	I'm looking at the boilerplate extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Boilerplate) and it looks like it's close to doing what I want
[23:12:04] <kjdavies>	but not quite there
[23:12:23] <kjdavies>	I've got a significant number of articles (to be added), of multiple types
[23:12:49] <kjdavies>	I'd like to define templates for the different types so I don't have to do all the markup by hand (which will break when I decide to change layout... it's happened before)
[23:13:18] <kjdavies>	the boilerplate extension looks like it expects each article to be initialized with the same text
[23:13:43] <kjdavies>	what I'd like to do is have the wiki present the user with a selection of templates to put into the article when it's created
[23:13:53] <kjdavies>	(well, *one* template, but the user can select from several)
[23:14:11] <kjdavies>	is there a way to do this, and how would I go about it?
[23:23:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suggestion searching - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7288  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:26:05] <padcx>	hello together, I have a question for a new wiki of me. I want to change the text on special positions. I found the "$this->html('bodytext')" in the template-file, but how can I replace a special text? any ideas?
[23:27:20] <padcx>	with the "preg_replace" command is clear, but how can I replace the text exactly? - Can someone of you help me? (Reason is the implementation of a nice ajax-functions)
[23:28:34] <Duesentrieb>	messing with $this->html('bodytext') in the skin to inject stuff is a bad idea. there are much better ways to enable ajax-based functionality.
[23:28:52] <Duesentrieb>	you probably want to write a parser hook
[23:28:58] <padcx>	wow, maybe in german, if you can!
[23:29:00] <padcx>	;-)
[23:29:17] <padcx>	a parser hook?
[23:29:23] <Duesentrieb>	i can, but then you are stuck with me.
[23:29:42] <Duesentrieb>	padcx: read up on "extending wiki syntax" on medawiki.org
[23:32:05] <padcx>	hey, that could be the answer - THX
[23:32:48] <Duesentrieb>	if you need examples, look at the CategoryTree extension, it uses ajax. it's a little complicated though.
[23:36:28] <hesco>	I'm seeking advice for posting audio to a mediawiki site.  Any successful experience with that here?
[23:39:12] <Duesentrieb>	hesco: have you read this? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads
[23:39:34] <hesco>	Duesentrieb: no, not yet, but I'm about to.  Thanks.  
[23:45:52] <padcx>	mhhh, I haven't found the point. I only want to change a special word. If someone write "word" this should be "<b>word</b>" automatically. Is there an easy way for that?
[23:53:06] <Duesentrieb>	padcx: can be done with hooks. ParserBeforeTidy could work
[23:53:43] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_hooks
[23:54:30] <padcx>	yes, but exept this phrase even php-code? for the "preg_replace"-command!?
[23:54:55] <Duesentrieb>	uh, what, where?
[23:54:57] <kjdavies>	hrm
[23:55:02] <Duesentrieb>	you would be writing an extension
[23:55:04] <Duesentrieb>	in php
[23:55:12] <kjdavies>	the Preloader extension looks like it almost does what I want, except that it depends on namespaces
[23:55:35] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, i need to sleep.
[23:55:46] <padcx>	okay, but thx...
[23:55:48] <padcx>	good n8
[23:56:16] <datura_>	n8