[00:00:31] 14(INVALID) Sortable backlinks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10912 +comment (10robchur) [00:02:58] 03(mod) Sortable backlinks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10912 (10eep) [00:03:41] Oh dear, user can't be bothered to write decent bug reports or separate bugs into separate tickets. [00:03:47] *robchurch can't be bothered to read their bug [00:11:21] 03robchurch * r24763 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Omit . from "viewprevnext" [00:13:36] 03(mod) Sortable backlinks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10912 (10robchur) [00:15:07] *robchurch growls [00:15:17] Stupid effing 4oD shit isn't downloading. [00:18:27] 03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709 (10wmbugzilla) [00:18:33] 03(mod) Rename the "Image" namespace to "File" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 (10wmbugzilla) [00:25:46] 03(mod) Improve conflict-handling between shared upload repository ( commons) and local one - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=889 (10wmbugzilla) [00:33:42] On my wiki, why isn't new user account creations listed in Special:Recentchanges or in Special:Logs [00:34:09] 03(mod) Sortable backlinks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10912 (10eep) [00:34:16] can i see your wiki? [00:36:08] Jacroe: ? [00:36:19] Because you don't have the Newuserlog extension installed. [00:36:32] http://nanihwaiya.scribblewiki.com [00:36:43] Could be since it's hosted by someone else. [00:37:10] that would most certainly determine what extensions you have installed :P [00:38:12] Yeah, thanks y'all. [01:14:54] 03robchurch * r24764 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Namespace.php: Document all methods and mark them public [01:17:20] 03robchurch * r24765 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Tweak confusing comment for User::whoIsReal() [01:27:40] 03rotem * r24766 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update. [01:41:21] i'm working on a drupal module [01:41:28] to integrate mediawiki into drupal [01:41:46] the drupal modules are all included by a function [01:42:02] so nothing in the files has global scope [01:42:26] consequently, which in include MW_INSTALL_PATH . '/includes/DefaultSettings.php' [01:42:46] 03robchurch * r24767 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Make some SpecialPage::execute() declarations consistent [01:42:55] all the variables in DefaultSettings.php don't get global scope [01:43:24] is there any way in php to include a file such that variables in that file inherit global scope? [01:46:25] jablko: You have to declare each one you need to access as global in the including file [01:46:46] i'm afraid of that... [01:46:55] Why? [01:47:05] there's a lot [01:47:15] Why do you need all of them? [01:47:31] i'm instantiating a Parser object [01:47:47] to filter drupal node bodies with mediawiki markup [01:48:19] it seems to take a ton of mediawiki includes to get the Parser object working... [01:48:53] Hrm .. I seem to recall something for drupal parsing .... [01:49:27] Why are you instantiating the Parser? I would probably just recommend hooking it where you need [01:49:54] Or are you trying to override/extend it? [01:49:59] didn't follow that... [01:50:24] i'm trying to run drupal node bodies thorough the mediawiki parser [01:50:38] to convert mediawiki markup in the drupal node [01:50:40] to html [01:51:04] not trying to override/extend the mw parser [01:51:08] Oh, so you're running this inside of Drupal, not mediawiki? [01:51:16] right. [01:51:23] Ah, okay .. didn't follow that :D [01:51:28] np : ) [01:52:00] Well, the ctor for Parser is a noarg ... where are you needing access to all of these globals? [01:53:02] The most difficult thing is probably building a Title, but you can override that obviously [01:53:15] well what i tried was: [01:53:27] require_once(MW_INSTALL_PATH . '/includes/Parser.php'); [01:53:27] $parser = new Parser; [01:53:46] but this needs GlobalFunctions.php [01:53:52] and ProfilerStub.php [01:54:04] and MagicWord.php [01:54:10] and ParserOutput.php [01:54:13] and ... [01:54:21] lots of includes [01:54:26] Yeah .. indeed [01:54:39] each uses a few globals [01:55:00] i tried defining the necessary globals in the drupal module: [01:55:05] $GLOBALS['wgContLang'] = new StubContLang; [01:55:31] but it's really best to use the Local/Default settings files [01:55:53] and this is where i hit the problem of including the Settings files but having them inherit global scope [01:56:08] instead of the scope of my drupal module file (not global) [01:57:08] your first suggestion, listing the needed globals in a 'globals $wgHooks, ...' line is a posibility [01:57:19] but i wonder if there's something cleaner? [01:57:24] You might use get_defined_vars(), iterate through it, and if the variable is prefixed with "wg", set $GLOBALS[$var] = $$var; [01:57:40] All MediaWiki globals [should] have a 'wg' prefix. [01:57:51] That's a bit messy though [01:58:17] I thought it was rather an elegant solution, overall. [01:58:24] 03amidaniel * r24768 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php: Minor whitespace cleanup ... rmvd closing ?> [01:58:54] robchurch: very clever. should work [01:58:54] Well, it'll probably work, but relying upon variable naming conventions seems shaky at best [01:59:14] does feel like a bit of a hack [01:59:30] Welcome to php :) [01:59:32] preffer it to listing variable names though [01:59:41] Of course it's a hack. But most of your solutions to that kind of problem are going to be hackish or require high maintennace. [01:59:43] *maintenance [02:00:19] Would be nice if we could make our classes a bit less interdependent though [02:00:41] Such that joe blow can build a parser to parse text completely unrelated and independent of mediawiki [02:00:56] Of course it would. In case you haven't noticed, people have been working on that since about 2005. [02:01:40] I have .. in some areas at least [02:01:44] *robchurch goes off to do something more productive than argue in a pointless discussion [02:02:06] We're arguing? Oh [02:02:08] News to me :) [02:02:19] AmiDaniel_away: much thanks for your help [02:02:50] jablko: Thank rob .. I didn't give you any solutions :) [02:03:16] robchurch: thanks [02:36:09] great, i got $parser working! [02:36:10] sort of. [02:36:42] when i run wiki markup through it, it get unusual html output: [02:36:44] http://pastebin.com/m5721baee [02:37:14] am i missing an option somewhere? [02:41:25] What's wrong with that? [02:41:41] Hmm, < exactly [02:41:59] and blah, foo, bar shouldn't be links [02:42:08] only [[Test]] should be a link [02:43:16] Looks like URL protocols are messed up, it's detecting a bunch of freestanding links. [03:05:22] Haha: http://stats.fennecfoxen.org/freenode/mediawiki.html I love it [03:05:37] Poor self, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 12 times. [03:05:42] *AmiDaniel_away smacks self [03:25:22] robchurch: right on, $wgUrlProtocols fixed it [03:25:30] \o/ [03:25:38] now getting: http://pastebin.com/m2a1d1306 [03:26:01] looks good except the parser isn't converting "[[Test]]" to a link... [03:26:07] any more insights? [03:52:35] how do you use the files in the maintenance folder? [03:52:59] I noticed there's a "clear_interwiki_cache.php" file, I need to flush the cache so I figure maybe that'd do it =p [03:54:47] Qjimbo_: Do you have access to the root command line? [03:55:00] yep [03:55:27] you have to run them from the shell? [03:56:01] hmm it ran [03:56:09] but my cache still isn't cleared [03:56:42] Guessing from the filename, that only clears the interwiki table. [03:56:50] (The database table of interwiki links.) [03:57:13] Try editing LocalSettings.php; I think that clears the full cache. [03:58:24] just editing it? [03:58:32] Yep; add a space or something. [03:59:10] ok [03:59:27] it worked! [04:00:39] :) [04:06:03] Anyone got a good schema validator for me to use to make sure my extension.xml schema for the Extension Manager is working? [04:07:34] VoiceOfAll: Ping [04:07:52] VoiceOfAll: Wtf is up with the radio buttons instead of checkboxes? [04:29:28] 03(FIXED) Rename Haitian creole Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 +comment (10jeluf) [04:33:20] 03(FIXED) Set project namespace for Greek Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10844 +comment (10jeluf) [04:38:06] 03(FIXED) PL.wiktionary NamespacesToBeSearchedDefault - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10645 +comment (10jeluf) [05:21:55] 03(FIXED) Namespace and site rename on Norwegian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10641 +comment (10jeluf) [05:31:45] AmiDaniel_away: not needed [06:29:06] 03(CLOSED) Set project namespace for Greek Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10844 +comment (10ariel) [06:34:50] 03raymond * r24769 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: * Update French, patch by Remi Kaupp [06:36:56] 03(FIXED) Update for French language (fr) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10910 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:40:24] 03raymond * r24770 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_cn.php MessagesKk_kz.php MessagesKk_tr.php): [06:40:24] * (bug 10367) Update Kazakh translations [06:40:24] Patch by AlefZet [06:40:53] 03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:46:39] can I safely change $wgSitename ? [06:46:44] will things break? [06:47:43] 03raymond * r24771 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Update German [06:54:06] please just shout my name if you have an answer. [07:00:37] 03david * r24772 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/ (LqtExtension.php LqtModel.php): diffs! except for one bug [07:08:01] 03(NEW) High values of "offset" parameter in special pages don' t work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10913 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Mike.Rosoft) [07:08:58] Hello. [07:09:19] 03(mod) High values of "offset" parameter in special pages don't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10913 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [07:12:05] How do I configure MediaWiki so I don't get the "index.php" part in the URL? [07:14:29] 03(mod) High values of "offset" parameter in logs don't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10913 summary (10JSchulz_4587) [07:27:41] 03(NEW) repeated link if page not found - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10914 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (jidanni) [07:49:30] 03aaron * r24773 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: *Fix error with wrong rev id for diffs [07:55:30] 14(INVALID) repeated link if page not found - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10914 +comment (10robchur) [07:57:07] okay, so when substing a template and using subst: on any parserfunction which checks a parameter, it work as expected except when the parameter is undefined... in which case it tries to compare the literal string including curley brackets, even if the parameter has a piped fall-through (default)... [07:57:54] {{foo}} breaks, but {{foo|}} and {{foo|bar}} works, on for example: {{subst:#if:{{{1|}}}|yes!|no}} [07:58:28] is there any way to check, in a parserfunction, if a literal string is some curley brackets? doesn't seem to work, nor does [07:58:46] Hmmm, make a template with the text { [07:59:03] Then use {{thattemplate}}{{thattemplate}}{{thattemplate}}1 etc [07:59:05] and subst it? ew... [07:59:11] Not subst, transclude. [07:59:12] hmm [07:59:18] *Splarka tries it [07:59:26] Transclusions etc happen before evaluating I believe [08:01:49] 03proes * r24774 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (8 files): Some refactoring, more to come. [08:04:28] TheFearow: seems to fail [08:04:38] Weird [08:05:19] had to also do } and | in such templates, since they fudged the parserfunction parsing otherwise [08:05:21] Splarka: using html entiteis might work. it definitely works for getting special characters by the parser, directly into output. not sure if it works if you want to use the special chars in a string to be evaled by a parser function [08:05:24] but still no joy [08:05:29] tried those too due [08:05:59] maybe it is just a bug, that parameter defaults are not used by subst'd parserfunctions? [08:10:32] 03proes * r24775 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiAttributes.php: Removed the need for old omega wiki attributes by using $GLOBALS array in OmegaWikiAttributes. [08:10:47] Hello, is it possible for me to setup a wiki using MediaWiki, but offline? My hosting isn't setup for it yet, but I would like to start on my wiki project. [08:11:10] SykoSilver: sure, if you turn your computer into a webserver [08:11:26] ...I know nothing of web stuff XD [08:11:43] for windows or macos, use XAMPP, it's easy to set up [08:11:53] it'S a bundle of apache, mysql, etc. [08:12:01] you'll have to learn some "web stuff" though [08:12:07] Hrm [08:12:20] Is that the only way? [08:12:24] yes. [08:12:34] mediawiki is a web application. it needs a webserver and a database. [08:13:06] Can I always change my computer back to not being a web server? =P [08:13:18] sure, uninstal xampp [08:13:35] wait,.. noinclude might have worked... [08:13:43] also, when setting up xampp, make sure you only allow local service (bind to localhost). it should have an option for that. [08:13:47] *Splarka investigates {{subst:#ifeq:{{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|yes!|no}} more [08:13:52] Is there any downside to webserver-ness? [08:13:55] a personal firewall is also recommended. [08:14:15] downside? well, it eats up some ram. [08:14:31] Would only allowing local service mean that only I can access it? [08:14:43] Hi [08:14:54] and if you are not carefull (see above) and allow access from the wild, you are opening yourself up to attacks against the webserver. [08:15:06] are there any exentions for mediawiki that allow users to upload files to a sort of "Community Disk" ? [08:15:11] SykoSilver: yes, that'S what "only local service" means. [08:15:16] a browsable one [08:15:18] Alright. XD [08:15:44] Qjimbo: not beyond the normals image upload feature (which can be used for all kinds of files, read the docs" [08:15:55] ah [08:16:35] ok folx, have fun. [08:16:43] i'm going offline for a week. [08:16:52] 03proes * r24776 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/WikiDataGlobals.php: Restored Synonyms and Translations in view. [08:17:59] VoiceOfAll: Hmm? [08:19:36] VoiceOfAll: I understand where you're sort of going with this; however, you need to realize that these kinds of dramatic, dramatic overhauls should be done incrementally, not suddenly [08:20:26] This, for instance, breaks a lot of current methods of doing things ... I understand you're trying to replace histmerge with Special:Histmerge; however, it's at present far too underdeveloped for use and negates much of the current ability of admins to do complex merges [08:20:59] And you're trying to replace selective deletion/undeletion with rev_deleted, but in the same way there are definite advantages to selective deletion that rev_deleted doesn't offer [08:22:07] I'd much rather see rev_deleted be *added* and then Special:Histmerge and then a slow phasing out of old methods as problems with doing so are addressed [08:45:24] 03proes * r24777 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiAttributes.php: Added a comment about architectural decisions. [08:48:16] are there any IRC bots around that can post edits made to a wiki into an IRC channel? [08:48:30] I believe there is a page on that [08:48:35] Wikimedia use them, ill find it for you [08:49:12] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Simple_IRC_RC_Bot [08:49:52] PS. It is not simple. [08:50:41] I should really move that [08:51:58] :) thats better [08:52:33] sorry about that [08:52:48] thanks TheFearow =) [08:52:57] if you could link me to anything that'd be great [08:53:03] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Simple_IRC_RC_Bot [08:54:14] nice [08:55:12] Its not that simple, but its kind of simple. [08:55:19] 03proes * r24778 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/Record.php: Removed strange dependence of ArrayRecord on OmegaWikiAttributes. [08:55:36] yeah [08:55:58] cool it's modular like that though, makes me wonder if I could modify it so it could post both wiki updates and forum updates [09:08:15] TimStarling you aorund? [09:08:18] *around [09:08:22] yes [09:08:47] TimStarling how difficult would it be to make inputboxes work with variables? [09:09:03] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion#Listing_a_category_on_.22Categories_for_discussion.22_page [09:09:10] what sort of variables? [09:09:17] Ryokou-no-Neko: bug 2257 :-( [09:09:17] what sort of input boxes? [09:10:13] TimStarling {{CURRENTMONTH}} for example [09:10:28] and by input boxes you mean some sort of extension? [09:10:39] what sort of input boxes, not sure. The ones on the linked page [09:10:46] *Ryokou-no-Neko doesnt know mediawiki that well [09:11:17] yes it's difficult [09:11:34] I'm not working on the parser at the moment [09:11:42] I see [09:11:49] do you know who is working on it? [09:11:53] nobody [09:12:04] aw [09:12:31] TimStarling: I made a post to wikitech-l about what I want to do to blocking, if you want to take a look at some stage [09:12:52] Ryokou-no-Neko: it's a problem will all parser tags: , , , ... [09:13:05] they are extension tags [09:13:52] the problem can be solved by moving template processing to before the extension tag processing, making it a true preprocessor stage [09:14:00] but it's at least a week of work [09:15:03] TimStarling who would be willing to take the challenge? [09:15:05] it can be solved on an extension-by-extension basis, like it has been for [09:15:46] for that you would want to contact the maintainer of the inputbox extension [09:16:10] but nobody is sufficiently interested in solving the general problem [09:17:55] chat-de-plafond: oh, you are werdna [09:20:07] TimStarling who wrote those extensions? [09:20:17] 03proes * r24779 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (6 files): [09:20:18] * Introduced AttributeSet [09:20:18] * Removed Singleton pattern for OmegaWikiAttributes [09:20:18] * Added getAttributeSet() to ViewInformation [09:21:03] root-80686: Look on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox [09:21:17] chat-de-plafond: I think you should give it a go, in a branch [09:21:28] s/ root-80686 Ryokou-no-Neko [09:21:43] I think it's a good idea, in principle [09:24:02] MinuteElectron the page doesnt seem to exist [09:24:02] Sure it does... try Extension:inputbox [09:24:02] *MinuteElectron hates MediaWiki's capitalisation handling. [09:24:02] Ryokou-no-Neko: have a look at [[Special:Version]] [09:26:38] TimStarling: ok, thanks [09:26:42] when exams are over >< [09:27:36] which exams are these? [09:29:07] 03proes * r24780 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (Attribute.php OmegaWikiAttributes.php): Moved generic functions from OmegaWikiAttributes to base class AttributeSet. [09:30:07] 03(ASSIGNED) Fully customizable footer - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7975 +comment (10minuteelectron) [09:31:25] This should be enough to work on over 10 days - I just hope there isn't a huge bug somewhere in teh source code I have checked out. [09:31:47] See you all in two weeks. [09:33:43] Cya [09:34:59] 03proes * r24781 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiAttributes.php: [09:34:59] Records have the ability to check for setting and getting incorrect attributes. [09:34:59] Turning this feature on exposed a bug in OmegaWikiAttributes for the view page. [09:34:59] This bug now is solved. The edit page results in more bugs that will be [09:34:59] addressed next. [09:59:59] 03proes * r24782 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (Attribute.php Fetcher.php): [09:59:59] Turned on feature of an ArrayRecord to check whether used Attributes exist. This [09:59:59] resulted only in errors in ObjectIdFetcher so I have added a check over there. [09:59:59] The check will be removed later after refactoring ObjectIdFetcher. [10:25:17] 03proes * r24783 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiAttributes.php: Changed structure names to camel case. [10:29:02] 03raymond * r24784 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Removing magic word __START__ from message file, seems to be unused and a relict from ancient times. [10:45:43] I want to talk to brion and Raymond [10:45:56] TimStarling: ? [10:46:58] Raymond, I believe you added frameless, upright, etc. to $params in makeImageLinkObj(), after conferring with brion [10:47:16] TimStarling: right. [10:47:52] it's quite wrong, $params is passed through to the media handler essentially without modification [10:48:25] and the media handler would have every right to throw a tantrum about frame-related parameters [10:49:19] but it doesn't matter because I'm resolving the issue by introducing a $frameParams parameter [10:50:37] sorry if I should have complicated your work. [10:52:04] I am not aware about the problems with the media handler [10:52:33] I'm not sure I understand this "upright" parameter, what is it for? [10:54:12] it is to scale images in a upright/portrait format proportional to landscape images. one minute, I will show you an example [10:54:41] without the need to use a fix width [10:56:19] it respects the user preference for the thumbs width. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Bilder#Hoch-_und_querformatige_Bilder_kombinieren_-_automatische_Skalierung [10:58:05] the proportions between normal thumbs and upright thumbs are for all users the same, regardless if viewing by an anon user (standard width 180px) or a logged in user (i.e. 250px in my preferences) [10:58:59] why does it need a fudge factor, specified by the user? [10:59:10] why can't mediawiki just figure it out? [11:00:11] "upright_factor=0.5" is the sort of thing that would be confusing to a non-technical user [11:00:19] there is a paramter in defaultSettings if upright is used without a factor. per default upright images are shown with 0.75 of the width [11:00:30] why 0.75? [11:00:37] what is the definition of an upright image? [11:01:11] 0.75 looks to me as the best. [11:01:16] wouldn't some images be excessively short? wouldn't you need to scale up the width appropriately for that? [11:01:36] the best when? you give an example there at 0.5 [11:01:53] presumably it's the best when the aspect ratio is in a certain range [11:02:34] wouldn't it make more sense to scale for equal area? [11:02:53] 03(NEW) Special: Categories hides categories having 0 current members - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10915 major; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [11:03:02] example of a standard usage: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simphiwe_Dana&diff=prev&oldid=34329236 [11:04:34] maybe you should have used the term "portrait", it sounds like that would be more precise [11:04:47] "upright" could mean anything [11:05:13] hmm ok, thats my lack to the English language :-( [11:05:56] "portrait" and "landscape" are the two ways of printing on rectangular paper [11:05:57] we can define "portrait" as synonym [11:10:26] the most important advantage of portrait/upright is that it is on most cases not longer necessary to use hardcoded widhts like [[image:xxx|thumb|150px]]. the proportions between portrait and landscape images on a page will be obtained. [11:19:25] 03(mod) Job queue never empty. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9518 (10bugzilla.wikimedia) [11:30:01] 03erik * r24785 10/trunk/tools/planet/de/config.ini: finanzer feed changed [11:30:45] 03erik * r24786 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: +enoch lau [11:38:54] 03(mod) Rename Haitian creole Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 (10le.korrigan) [11:51:25] Hi, I'd like to create wikipage which contains data from an external html file [11:51:48] is there a feature which allows me to automatically import such data? [11:53:04] hi does anyone knows how to hide a page? I want to hide special: version for example [12:01:18] hi [12:04:39] emrezer: Why? [12:18:24] I dont want it to be private [12:18:37] I want it to be private [12:18:45] correction [12:18:55] how do i give less margin-top to the wgLogo and the navigation-search-toolbox ; i want to move it a further up on the webpage, using mediawiki 1.7 on Debian [12:19:23] meh, upgrade to MW 1.10 [12:22:07] nah, found it here, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_customize_the_logo_in_the_top_left_corner.3F_Can_I.3F [12:28:25] This made me lol: http://xkcd.com/285/ [12:28:45] Especially the longdesc on the image. [12:31:44] I am searching for a way to confirm terms and conditions when creating an account. does anyone know if there is an extension for that? [12:32:13] try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount [12:33:24] wow, you are really fast - I'll have a look, thanx! [12:39:57] @Jack_Phoenix quite good. in my case just something like a tickbox "I hereby accept...whatever term" would be enough. [12:40:31] well, I suppose that could be done too with a small hack or something [12:40:32] however [12:40:50] ConfirmAccount has such a tickbox that one needs to check, even though the screenshot may not show it [12:43:04] 14(INVALID) Job queue never empty. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9518 +comment (10robchur) [12:44:42] 04(REOPENED) Add project namespace alias ("Wikipedia") for Haitian Creole Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 summary; +comment (10robchur) [12:46:31] @Jack - thanx [12:46:54] np [12:55:58] 03(mod) Namespace and site rename on Norwegian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10641 (10herman) [12:56:28] 03(NEW) Editing last diff causes re-edit of that diff instead of creating a new edit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10916 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (eep) [12:58:24] can I safely change $wgSitename ? Will things break? [12:59:58] *chat-de-plafond waves [13:00:28] faceface: I don't think so.. if so, they will probably unbreak if you change it back [13:00:54] I don't know of anything that'll break. [13:03:45] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:DoubleRedirects [13:03:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:DoubleRedirects&limit=1000 [13:03:57] why is there a ridiclous difference? [13:04:24] ok maybe not so ridiclous of a difference [13:13:35] 03(mod) If page title contains Umlaut the link on edit page is wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10881 (10hj-meyer) [13:14:22] morrrrrning [13:14:25] 03(mod) Editing last diff causes re-edit of that diff instead of creating a new edit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10916 (10robchur) [13:14:36] <^demon> Morning brion. [13:15:43] hello brion-office [13:15:55] 03(mod) Add project namespace alias ("Wikipedia") for Haitian Creole Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 (10le.korrigan) [13:16:06] *chat-de-plafond checks his pet wikitech-l thread [13:26:03] hello brion [13:26:07] are you ready to begin? [13:26:21] Ready or not, here I come [13:26:26] *Ryokou-no-Neko hugs brion [13:26:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:DoubleRedirects [13:26:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:DoubleRedirects&limit=1000 [13:26:40] hi brion-office [13:26:52] why is there a difference in the content of the two different urls? [13:27:03] they link to the same special page right? [13:31:41] 03(mod) Editing last diff causes re-edit of that diff instead of creating a new edit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10916 (10eep) [13:35:42] how do i make an article redirect to a category? [13:36:50] #REDIRECT [[:Category:Categoryname]] ? [13:37:02] it didnt work [13:37:09] http://kisa.ca/darksun/index.php/Races [13:40:03] i'm using mediawiki with postgres, and was wondering if this channel fields questions on that type of installation; or only mysql based installs [13:41:56] brion: I was talking just now with Raymond about Linker::makeImageLinkObj() and the new parameters: upright, frameless, etc. [13:42:53] @Jack - All I get is a blank page with ConfirmAccount Extension. Any Hint? [13:42:54] I'm doing some refactoring there at the moment [13:43:23] adding them to $params was the wrong thing to do, because $params is actually media handler parameters [13:43:41] mzeecedric: what version of MediaWiki, PHP and MySQL? have you created the SQL tables? [13:43:54] I'm introducing makeImageLink2(), which has a $frameParams parameter, and a $handlerParams parameter, both associative arrays [13:45:02] * MediaWiki: 1.10.1 (r24786) [13:45:02] * PHP: 5.0.4 (apache2handler) [13:45:02] * MySQL: 4.1.13 [13:45:08] bluh [13:45:21] yes, tables were created [13:45:30] hmm... [13:45:34] Ryokou-no-Neko: moment [13:45:36] Jack_Phoenix: Yes. Hold one and I will provide the information [13:46:08] what in the sam hill [13:46:23] hi tim [13:46:30] hi Sundance [13:46:46] brion-office: wikitech-l SUL thread is... exciting :P [13:47:03] Raymond_: offhand i'd guess it's hiding the entries which are no longer double redirects [13:47:08] Jack_Phoenix: Cannot get the info right this second, but looking at my real issue (not being able to search for ip addresses). I'm wondering if you can search for stuff that is in tables, or do you have to add something to the search field. Heading to a meeting, so I'll collect all the general info and return then. [13:47:13] and it's being weird about how that affect spaging [13:47:37] mzeecedric: only thing I can think of is PHP 5.0...I think PHP 5.1 would be better, but it should still work...try contacting the extension's author: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Voice_of_All [13:47:42] *brion-office bats chat-de-plafond about with a ball of yarn [13:49:26] brion, I've been telling people we're going to have SUL within the week [13:49:35] are you making a liar of me? [13:49:37] *chat-de-plafond miaows. [13:49:40] :D [13:49:57] of course nobody believed me anyway [13:50:00] *Sundance_Raphael peds chat-de-plafond [13:50:02] rofl [13:50:04] but it would be nice to prove them wrong [13:50:32] i'd like to get to a limited live login beta by friday [13:50:38] "SUL TO BE IN WITHIN THE WEEK: No, really. We promise!" [13:51:29] I never got around to committing those live patches [13:51:44] *Ryokou-no-Neko watches TimStarling commit patches :P [13:51:54] maybe you did it for me? [13:52:00] svn diff is quiet [13:52:52] 03proes * r24787 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Simplified structures and attributes used in object annotation by sharing attributes between structures. [13:54:17] TimStarling i wouldnt know c of commiting pacthes [13:54:27] I am the second most useless person in the channel [13:54:46] Ryokou-no-Neko: perhaps that's why I was ignoring you and attempting to talk to brion? [13:55:21] TimStarling no that cant be it :P [13:55:31] awww [13:55:42] TimStarling: yeah, i committed it the other day [13:56:20] TimStarling it looked like you were replying to me :/ [13:57:23] TimStarling: forwarded you a question about static html dumps [13:57:34] so you did [13:58:14] so far the schedule has been about as often as people remind me [13:58:34] hehe [13:58:37] it'd be nice to have an image dump though, do we have a spare 2TB lying around anywhere? [13:59:12] not really :P [13:59:28] i deleted the several-month-old dump on storage2 so i could update the files [13:59:43] dump file is just too fucking big [14:00:17] i think that rsync is still generating its file list [14:00:28] I think the static HTML dump is completely automated now, except for configuration changes, I could probably make a monthly cronjob [14:00:34] there's gotta be a better way to rsync huge-ass file trees :P [14:00:44] what the fuck are ass-files? [14:01:07] chat-de-plafond: porn [14:01:15] or maybe a monthly cron job that emails me and tells me to do it [14:01:23] :) [14:01:46] brion would it be easy to fix redirects redirecting to self? [14:01:59] Like [[Page]] contaning #redirect[[Page]] [14:02:25] fix how? [14:03:35] 03(NEW) User Javascript Not Applied on Special:Userlogin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (innocentkiller) [14:05:35] 14(DUP) User Javascript Not Applied on Special:Userlogin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 +comment (10brion) [14:05:36] 03(mod) User's Custom Javascript does not Apply to Special:Preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10005 (10brion) [14:05:40] 03(mod) User's Custom Javascript does not Apply to Special: Preferences and Special:Userlogin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10005 summary (10brion) [14:05:46] <_< [14:05:53] and just when I was about to comment...ah well :) [14:06:05] the devs are actually fast, not slow. ;) [14:06:30] 03proes * r24788 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (5 files): Now using "attribute" Attribute for classAttributesStructure [14:06:47] :P [14:07:04] <^demon> brion-office: I'm assuming those two bugs are related. Howso? What's the security issue? [14:08:50] hi. why doesn't mediawiki find the article "Technik:Shebangzeile" when i'm searching for "shebang"? [14:09:25] because it's Shebangzeile, not shebang [14:09:26] i'm using default install with extra namespaces which seems to be damn stupid if the search doesn't find anything useful [14:10:19] is the a way to force mediawiki to search for substrings? [14:10:26] at least in the title? [14:10:54] install lucene? [14:11:12] even the article "Technik:SSH" is _not_ found when searching for "ssh" [14:11:28] <^demon> thermoman: Are you searching the right namespaces? [14:11:54] yes [14:12:31] ^demon: searching for "ssh" or "SSH" in namespace "Technik" [14:12:39] doesn't find Technik:SSH [14:12:42] <^demon> Odd. [14:12:48] <^demon> Our search sucks. [14:13:00] git time [14:13:03] -g+b [14:13:08] argh [14:13:08] no, probably just hasn't been indexed yet [14:13:09] big [14:13:30] thermoman: did you read the faq? [14:13:54] brion-office: nope, but ran updateSearchIndex.php :) [14:14:00] read the faq [14:14:21] [14:14:51] hoi [14:15:31] What is the way to get the most correct replica of a wiki? [14:16:03] I'm interested in de.wikisource.org. [14:16:07] + array( 'ORDER BY' => 'cuc_timestamp DESC', 'LIMIT' => 10,000 ) ); [14:16:09] the hell? [14:16:24] I already tried different ways and all seem problematic. [14:16:30] *brion-office suspects that's not proper php for 10000 :) [14:17:52] brion-office something linking to self should be a redirect ;/ [14:18:13] [[Page]] on [[Page]] would be a boldified text and not a link [14:18:27] same should apply to self redirects [14:18:32] I can file a bug I suppose [14:19:15] gah, is someone running a microwave? wifi's going to shit in here [14:19:33] Ryokou-no-Neko: that doesn't really make sense. "apply" meaning what? [14:19:50] a redirect is a totally different animal [14:21:07] mmm [14:21:09] *Ryokou-no-Neko is an animal [14:21:15] 03brion * r24789 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: PHP doesn't understand commas in large integers. :) [14:23:29] how to view in a page the top viewed pages? [14:24:02] same as in special pages, statistics [14:25:49] or - popularpages [14:27:28] chat-de-plafond, thanks dude... I will try... [14:28:28] 03(NEW) Redirects redirecting to self - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10918 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko) [14:28:32] brion-office see that [14:28:41] thats what I mean [14:29:54] does anyone know how can i show the top 10 pages of usage in the main page? [14:30:58] So, for anyone who was following my problems Friday night/Saturday afternoon, it turned out to be a difference in HTTP_Request between 1.0.8 and 1.0.6 that (if I understood the chatter in shop correctly) is used by our home-grown (I gather) authorization system. [14:32:26] o_O [14:32:45] Yamazuki: you could write a little extension to do this i suppose [14:32:56] pull the list from page table sorted by page_count [14:33:04] brion-office: CentralAuth is cool...I'm playing with it @ test.wikipedia.org :D [14:33:07] make sur eyou do sensible cache management as well [14:33:08] Jack_Phoenix: thx [14:33:18] 04(REOPENED) Tidy sometimes goes ballistic when a block-level element is wrapped in an inline element - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal->low; +comment (10nospam) [14:33:19] lemme know issues [14:35:57] brion-office: didn't found anything related to search in FAQ [14:37:08] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#...is_a_search_for_a_short_keyword_giving_no_hits.3F [14:37:48] hi, is it required that there is a backlink to the mediawiki's homepage in the footer of my wiki? [14:37:57] brion-office: thanks [14:38:57] matthias__: no, just don't remove the copyright messages or the license file [14:39:57] and where are these? [14:40:21] file COPYING, messages throughout source and in Special:Version UI [14:42:57] I don't understand [14:45:10] see the GPL license file (file 'COPYING') [14:45:27] sections 1 and 2 describe the terms for distributing or modifying th esource [14:45:47] do you know the company tele2? [14:46:33] 03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862 (10innocentkiller) [14:46:46] nope [14:46:58] dont trust these people [14:47:04] heh [14:47:20] they sent me a compact which I haven't filled out [14:48:05] for a telephone flatrate....10€ per month [14:51:50] suppose I should sleep [14:51:52] nn all [14:59:27] any change of getting mathml output at wikipedia-en? [15:00:02] chance* [15:01:28] AzaTht: depends on how excited people are about reviewing existing work on that and integrating it [15:02:01] brion-office: there is blahtex I think [15:02:26] <_Danny_B_> bug 10918 should be wontfix, is rob here? wontfixing is his most favourite bugzilla action... ;-) [15:02:40] 14(WFM) Editing last diff causes re-edit of that diff instead of creating a new edit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10916 +comment (10robchur) [15:11:53] 03(mod) Tidy sometimes goes ballistic when a block-level element is wrapped in an inline element - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9737 (10nospam) [15:12:29] Hi, how can I write my own text into the footer? [15:12:29] 03(mod) AddPage tag extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10876 (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [15:15:46] 03(mod) Tidy sometimes goes ballistic when a block-level element is wrapped in an inline element - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9737 (10danny_b) [15:21:51] Why mediawiki 1.9 doesn't show some templates have been copied from wikipedia properly? :( I thought it might be editor problem and used export-import but didn't pay either) [15:22:31] the_unluckiest: do you have ParserFunctions extension installed? [15:22:46] yes [15:23:00] hmm [15:23:00] I do not mean {{#if and ... [15:23:08] Wikipedia uses tidy, though [15:23:20] normally a MediaWiki installation doesn't use tidy [15:23:28] is tidy an extension [15:23:28] ? [15:23:48] you might be right [15:23:52] not really... [15:24:06] tidy is some open-source program that can be used to tidy up HTML [15:24:24] how can I install it? [15:25:06] sorry, I don't know since I haven't ever done that :( [15:25:25] thanks I'll search for it [15:41:49] <[Jessy]> Hi! Is there a way to manipulate toc chapters? for e.g. that the toc starts at 2 and then 2.1 instead of chapter 1? [15:44:48] quick question, can you get external links in a wiki to open in a new tab in your browser. [15:47:12] MrHappy: yeah: firefox->right click-> [menuitem: open in new tab] :) [15:47:39] that's what I do at the moment :) [15:48:01] can you get a normal left mouse click to do the same thing. [15:48:04] <[Jessy]> has someone an answer for me? [15:48:32] Hi, Jessy, sorry don't know. [15:48:38] <[Jessy]> ok ;) [15:49:12] <[Jessy]> i try it later again ciao! [15:53:08] 03ivanlanin * r24790 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesId.php: Indonesian (id) localisation updates. [15:53:49] Witam! Mówi tu ktoÅ› po Polsku? [15:57:38] 03proes * r24791 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (NeedsTranslationTo.php SpecialNeedsTranslation.php): Fixed SpecialNeedsTranslation [15:57:44] <_Danny_B_> BartekBas: english is major, sometimes deutsch or francais. i don't remember ever seeing polish here... [16:02:30] 03(NEW) Save as button - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10919 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [16:05:12] 03(NEW) Set the $wgUploadNavigationUrl value for Cantonese Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10920 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (shinjiman) [16:07:29] 03(NEW) Special:AddData doesn't show page title if page exists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10921 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [16:09:53] 03(mod) "Save as" tab - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10919 summary; +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [16:15:36] is it possible to specify a favicon.ico for mediawiki? [16:15:56] sorry just found it in the faq [16:16:50] I am getting the following error when connecting to wiki using LDAP Entering validDomain [16:16:54] User is not using a valid domain. [16:16:56] Setting domain as: invaliddomain [16:17:31] 03(NEW) Special:: AddPage should show a list of forms if called without specific form - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10922 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [16:18:19] I have looked at my config but dont have a clue as to what could be wrong [16:19:19] I am trying to authenticate users from Active Directory [16:21:15] I have enabled SSL, but i am unsure how to setup certificate trust on the wiki server [16:23:23] 03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #52, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10892 +comment (10shinjiman) [16:23:26] :O [16:23:29] Who knows.. [16:24:03] Hey guys, I'm trying to find out where I can set/change the auto-redirect after login to go to the page the person was trying to access prior to login instead of always going to the homepage. Any ideas? [16:24:30] hm the favicon stuff doesnt work, my favicon just doesnt appear [16:24:39] $wgFavicon = "$IP/favicon.ico"; [16:25:12] aton`: Try Shift-refreshing when you navigate straight to the ICO in your browser [16:25:18] Maybe it's cached :) [16:25:24] anybody have experience with LDAP? [16:25:27] Sure [16:25:53] how to setup a SSL certificate trust on wiki server? [16:26:04] running Linux [16:26:55] there are docs for windows but i couldnt find them for linux [16:29:45] dtolj: as far as i know you don't do that for the wiki itself, but for the webserver. [16:30:19] PunkRock: yes you are right sorry [16:30:48] the server on which wiki is running [16:31:26] how can i check if my AD is using SSL certificate? [16:31:41] dtolj: ask google! i found this one. http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Apache/apache-SSL.html. looks quite good for me. but i never did that. [16:32:30] if you are not root, you have to check what your provider says. [16:32:38] Okay, is it possible to make a standalone version of MediaWiki? [16:33:06] You know, a web server with MW attached to it? [16:33:23] rocketmaster000: what else should one do? [16:33:42] Can you make one for me? [16:33:53] rocketmaster000: You ALWAYS attach a Mediawiki to a webserver. [16:34:05] rocketmaster000: if you pay me for that :) [16:34:22] MW with a web server built in. [16:34:51] rocketmaster000: you mean, a web server with a mediawiki built in.... [16:35:03] Yes. [16:35:17] rocketmaster000: What do you want to do? [16:35:45] Have a local copy of MW running? [16:36:12] 03(NEW) Set the $wgUploadNavigationUrl value for Chinese Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10923 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (shinjiman) [16:36:24] Uh, so, i can make something like this? [16:37:01] 03proes * r24792 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/SpecialTransaction.php: Fixed SpecialTransaction [16:37:08] rocketmaster000: yes [16:37:19] rocketmaster000: windows or linux? [16:37:22] Please connect to: http://87.116.147.151 [16:37:33] Windows is fine for me. [16:38:35] 03kim * r24793 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [16:38:35] Reverted all edits by Peter-Jan today. [16:38:35] * Collided with OmegaWikiAttributes work by Kim [16:38:35] * Failed to communicate intentions before committing to svn. [16:38:44] 03(mod) RAR concatenation in images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10847 (10francine) [16:39:23] rocketmaster000: erm, i don't get it. how should i connect there? [16:39:36] What do you think of the wiki software i'm using? [16:39:49] i don't see any. [16:39:53] Through a web browser? [16:41:06] What do you think of the wiki software i'm using? [16:41:47] rocketmaster000: do you want to make a joke out of me? [16:41:51] 03proes * r24794 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/DefinedMeaningModel.php: Fixed DefinedMeaningModel [16:41:52] 03(NEW) Can I edit special pages? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10924 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (twenson) [16:42:24] Whatever do you mean, PunkRock? [16:42:42] I'm not making fun of you. [16:42:51] Halca, i put the favicon.ico in the main wiki directory, and i can navigate to it [16:42:56] but it doesnt show it in the wiki [16:42:58] rocketmaster000: there is no wiki at the given address. [16:43:40] How come? I just started the server right now. [16:43:47] 03(WONTFIX) Can I edit special pages? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10924 +comment (10wikia.jack) [16:43:55] aton`: maybe your browser cache is hiding it. try clearing it and reload the page. [16:44:25] i did [16:45:26] rocketmaster000: ok. there it is. and now? [16:46:19] Try the Rocket Pedia section. It's supposed to be my version of Wikipedia. [16:46:43] Make me an article. I hate doing it my self. [16:47:26] rocketmaster000: sorry. i don't put work in YOUR wiki. do it yourself. if you have problems, come here and ask. [16:47:40] rocketmaster000: i am getting really angry right now. [16:48:42] Angry at what? Don't be angry. [16:49:23] i now use wgscriptpath instead of $IP and it works [16:50:46] So? Rocket's Wiki good, or bad? [16:50:54] rocketmaster000: if you want to have feedback on the content of your wiki and your beautiful skin this is not the right place. go ask your friends. [16:51:05] Or worse? [16:51:18] 03(mod) Can I edit special pages? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10924 (10pathoschild) [16:52:16] So, no good. My wiki isn't as good as Wikipedia. Or, i'm using the wrong wiki engine. [16:52:47] lol [16:55:46] 03kim * r24795 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (DefinedMeaningModel.php SpecialTransaction.php small/ra3.pl): Revert peter-jan, AFTER discussion. (this is very bad) [16:55:59] For anyone interested mwdumper + the extra sql dumps was the answer [16:57:27] mediawiki does not make the impression to be a very stable/safe base for important data like it contains [16:58:48] Is there a movement to improve that? [17:03:37] hmm [17:03:43] what's up with MediaWiki.org? [17:03:50] I keep getting internal server errors [17:04:17] Jack_Phoenix: on frwiki also [17:04:24] :( [17:04:29] *Jack_Phoenix pokes brion-office [17:04:33] i think il a little bit down :) [17:04:40] but only a little bit [17:05:16] *it's [17:06:43] 03(mod) Can I edit special pages? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10924 (10N/A) [17:08:39] s1 up up [17:08:41] *is [17:09:15] can someone confirm this www.mediawiki.org search is returning 500 error [17:09:58] yes [17:10:22] buggs: how is mediawiki not a "stable/safe base" for important data? [17:17:35] what is the best way to start a knowledgebase in mediawiki [17:18:09] right now i have a rather flat layout of pages and sub pages that just specify the problem and the fix [17:33:49] any ideas!! [17:34:01] can i use a template [17:34:26] <_Danny_B_> jevangelo: be patient, current server issues are more important to solve... [17:40:53] I run a wiki for my organization and we're becoming large enough that certain pages need restricted access, so I'm wondering if there is a way to allow access to certain pages only to specified users [17:41:41] see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [17:41:45] thinkmassive: There are ways, but they're not very reliable or sturdy. MediaWiki is not really designed closedness in mind. [17:44:05] cool, thank you both for your responses [17:45:59] Welcome. [17:46:53] a slightly related but off-topic question, if anyone cares to answer... any suggestions for how to keep track of passwords required by multiple users? (touchy subject I'm sure) [17:48:28] its hard for me to think web development [17:49:52] 04(REOPENED) Job queue never empty. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9518 +comment (10brion) [18:01:31] Special:MergeAccount seems to crash when importing local names from a read-only database. [18:02:09] (Conflicting read lock.) [18:03:29] bah at db locks [18:03:37] I cannot delete this one junk page at MediaWiki.org :( [18:03:42] *Jack_Phoenix kicks the servers [18:03:49] Is CentralAuth part of MediaWiki, or an extension? [18:04:05] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth [18:04:23] Merci. [18:09:11] 03(NEW) Special:MergeAccount crashes when database locked - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10925 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (pathoschild) [18:15:11] 03(mod) Job queue estimate often woefully inaccurate; need a better strategy - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9518 summary; +comment (10robchur) [18:18:33] what does the js var wgBreakFrames indicate? [18:32:02] AzaTht: I seem to remember a variable somewhere about whether or not MediaWiki should try to break out of frames, but I can't find any documentation (or even mention). [18:32:11] $wgBreakFrames [18:32:54] That's it, though it's not listed in the manual. [18:32:57] brion-office: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php?sortby=date&view=log [18:33:13] I don't know whether to be ashamed or frustrated :) [18:33:18] Never trust the manual, check includes/DefaultSettings.php when looking for a setting. [18:33:19] mehehe [18:33:43] VoiceOfAll: Do both. Conceal your shame by taking out your frustration on some poor, unsuspecting Australian... [18:33:50] ...where's Werdna when you need someone to bully, eh? [18:45:32] Well, this has to be the most successful unified login thread we've had on wikitech-l in ages. [18:46:40] \o/ [18:46:47] yay, unified login \o/ [18:46:51] 'bout time, eh? ;) [18:47:54] I had to smile when I did the merge account thing and it told me my home wiki was MediaWiki.org [18:48:26] :) [18:48:32] :DD [18:48:50] *Jack_Phoenix uses a different name on MediaWiki.org, so that account wasn't listed :( [18:48:57] so that means...I'm non-notable? :P [18:49:51] Jack_Phoenix: rename your account :) [18:50:02] noooo.... [18:50:12] yes :) [18:51:42] I like the idea of self-renames. [18:53:32] question: after the SUL, how to rename a global account ? [18:53:55] hmm [18:53:58] you don't? :) [18:54:22] yes [18:54:53] but how a global account can be renamed ? [18:55:15] you must modify the name on all db [18:56:07] you have to modify Special:RenameUser [18:57:54] RenameUser would inform the authentication plugin, which would then do the work, I guess. [19:01:57] robchurch: and then the authentication plugin informs other db ? [19:02:29] (Job queue, ...) [19:02:54] The job of the authentication plugin is to handle authentication-side issues, including authenticating users, automatic creation (if allowed), updating various bits and pieces of user data, so it follows that the authentication plugin would be responsible for responding to a rename in that manner. [19:03:18] The use of the job queue is a trivial implementation detail. Most of those queries don't need to be batched up in jobs. [19:03:48] but why is that variable exposed in JS? [19:03:59] Why is what variable exposed in JavaScript? [19:04:13] wgBreakFrames [19:04:17] Why shouldn't it be? [19:04:26] It's currently necessary for it to *work*. [19:04:42] ok [19:05:02] Is there some problem with scripts being able to find out if frames are broken out of, if they really really want to? [19:05:36] robchurch: when you modifiy a username on a wiki, you also have to modify it on the other wikis (like if you rename the account on all wikis) [19:05:44] Yes, ialexandre, I am aware of that. [19:06:22] Since the authentication plugin is abstracting the fact that there's a global user table and hundreds of other wikis out there at all, it's the job of that plugin to do all that work. [19:06:37] ok [19:06:53] MediaWiki doesn't know or care that User:Joe on enwiki is User:Joe on frwiki, all it knows is that the AuthPlugin in use tells it that the user can authenticate. [19:07:20] i know [19:09:28] I'm speculating, of course, to some extent, based on what I'd consider the sane route. I imagine brion's got a few tricks up his sleeve for renaming. [19:09:43] Self-service renames! Global accounts! My, we're spoiling the user base. [19:09:53] *brion-office narrows eyes [19:10:11] is it spoiling the user base or getting them to stop asking us for things? ;) [19:10:26] heh [19:10:45] Well, to be fair, brion, at least you'll be able to gloat at Wikimania 2008. [19:10:51] \o/ [19:11:00] I think most users will pass out when it's actually announced. [19:14:20] 03(NEW) Linear Browsing Feature - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10926 15enhancement; low; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (goodhart) [19:15:17] Er, what the fuck? [19:37:15] 03(WONTFIX) Linear Browsing Feature - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10926 +comment (10brion) [19:37:26] yay wontfix \o/ [19:44:13] *AzaTht wants 5678 to be fixed [19:51:51] *_Danny_B_ hopes brion is not going to have another need-to-kill-someone day such as the one he had when came back from wikimania [19:54:52] 03(mod) OTRS notification system keeps recreating old mails in queues - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10043 (10tsca) [19:56:30] I've only ever seen that before when servers have been dying... [20:02:38] 14(INVALID) Redirects redirecting to self - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10918 +comment (10brion) [20:05:11] 03(mod) Special:MergeAccount crashes when database locked - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10925 (10brion) [20:05:55] 04(REOPENED) query.php: iishared parameter says: This site does not have shared image repository (ii_noshared) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9225 summary; +comment (10lupin.wp) [20:08:43] 03(FIXED) OTRS notification system keeps recreating old mails in queues - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10043 +shell; +comment (10jeluf) [20:11:54] 03(NEW) "pipe trick" links don't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10927 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (eep) [20:11:55] 03(mod) Redirects redirecting to self - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10918 (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko) [20:12:06] brion-office... [20:12:16] I am well aware of the problem [20:12:32] It is just unhelpful the self redirects show as double redirects since they are not [20:13:09] 03(mod) "pipe trick" links don't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10927 (10eep) [20:17:57] 03(FIXED) Set the $wgUploadNavigationUrl value for Cantonese Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10920 +comment (10jeluf) [20:18:00] 03(FIXED) Set the $wgUploadNavigationUrl value for Chinese Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10923 +comment (10jeluf) [20:22:21] 03(FIXED) namespace creation request for fr.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10813 +comment (10jeluf) [20:22:34] <_Danny_B_> Reedy_Boy: the day he returned this channel has been flooded by wontfix, wontfix, invalid, wontfix, later, wontfix, wontfix, wfm, wontfix... always signed by him... ;-) [20:22:56] lol [20:24:46] And besides, isnt that a OTRS bug, not MW? [20:26:40] 03(FIXED) Add new namespace to Malay Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10694 +comment (10jeluf) [20:34:33] 03(mod) Editing last diff causes re-edit of that diff instead of creating a new edit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10916 (10eep) [20:41:26] 03(NEW) Add Simple Forms MediaWiki extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10928 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (eep) [20:43:41] 03(NEW) Allow multiple bug entries at once - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10929 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (eep) [20:47:12] 03(mod) Allow multiple bug entries at once - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10929 (10brion) [20:53:22] 14(DUP) "pipe trick" links don't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10927 +comment (10brion) [20:53:23] 03(mod) Pre-save transform skips extensions using wikitext (gallery, references, pipe trick, subst, signatures) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2700 +comment (10brion) [21:26:35] 03(NEW) texvc does not add to plain ASCII input in HTML output mode - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10930 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: texvc; (Simetrical+wikibugs) [21:27:07] 03(mod) Add Simple Forms MediaWiki extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10928 (10robchur) [21:28:39] 14(INVALID) Allow multiple bug entries at once - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10929 (10robchur) [21:28:43] hi [21:29:05] OF COURSE I FUCKING TRIED IT [21:29:13] I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID SO IN THE BUG IF I HADN'T FUCKING TRIED IT [21:30:24] Duly noted, whatever it is. [21:31:04] Not you, some twat. [21:31:22] 03(mod) Editing last diff causes re-edit of that diff instead of creating a new edit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10916 (10robchur) [21:31:31] Shhh kids [21:31:32] :P [21:32:22] *_Danny_B_ is looking for something nice and pleasant to pass it to robchurch to raise his mood [21:32:35] Bring me the head of a random Wikipedian. That'll do it. [21:32:45] *rob|coding is really furious [21:33:12] would Willy the Mail Boy suffice? [21:33:27] brion-office: Are you here? [21:34:39] <_Danny_B_> rob|coding: what's your p.o.box? [21:37:50] 03(NEW) Redirect table is incomplete - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (rainman) [21:41:13] 03(WONTFIX) Automatically hyphenate ISBNs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 (10robchur) [21:41:58] <_Danny_B_> agree [21:43:54] 03(NEW) Special:Log should use a Pager - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10932 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (robchur) [21:43:54] 03(mod) Code quality issues (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700 (10robchur) [21:43:54] 03(mod) High values of "offset" parameter in logs don't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10913 (10robchur) [21:43:55] 03(mod) Add (Latest | Earliest) to log pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10627 (10robchur) [21:46:22] 03(FIXED) action=watch should not use timed redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163 +comment (10robchur) [21:47:39] 03(mod) Thumbnails in galleries are enlarged regardless of maximum image size ( regression?) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9946 summary (10robchur) [21:49:42] 14(DUP) Speciel:DoubleRedirects does not show all double redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9799 +comment (10robchur) [21:49:43] 03(mod) Redirect table is incomplete - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 +comment (10robchur) [21:50:34] 03(mod) "Mark as patrolled" not available when enhanced recent changes is enabled - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9768 high->normal; -easy ; summary (10robchur) [21:56:59] 03(mod) Obtain a list of edits to watched pages since last visit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2877 summary (10robchur) [22:05:04] how come we don't use any foreign keys in mysql? [22:17:49] 03kim * r24796 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/Editor.php: [22:17:50] Just running script Autoreplace.sh on one file (Editor.php) which seems to work fine [22:17:50] (this way you immediately see what I've been up to) [22:17:50] Note that sometimes an OmegaWikiAttributes instance gets requested, but remains [22:17:50] unused. I haven't added a check to remove that if it turns out to be unneeded. [22:17:50] Could remove unneeded instances by hand, if you like, or I can code [22:17:54] to remove that. [22:36:17] Hello everyone! [22:36:52] I have a question. :) Can I change the name of my Wiki after I've created it? [22:44:27] 03kim * r24797 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/small/ra3.pl: (log message trimmed) [22:44:27] Small improvements to updater script. [22:44:27] (while I'm working on this, to check your code... [22:44:27] svn commit any changes to make sure you're not losing anything [22:44:27] then at any time: [22:44:28] svn update [22:44:38] mkdir done #(possibly optional) [22:50:14] 03kim * r24798 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiAttributes.php: [22:50:14] Seemed to have been missing an attribute for some reason. [22:50:15] Fixed [22:54:58] 03kim * r24799 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (13 files): [22:54:58] Using metaprogramming to change code. Bulk edit. [22:54:58] Basics seem to work (load+submit of dm+expr, SpecialSuggest) [22:54:58] Please test some more in case there are lurking bugs [23:06:27] hallo, ich habe ein problem mit dem hochladen von dateien. beim aufrufen der spezialseite hochladen kommt bei mir folgender text im wiki: Entschuldigung, das Hochladen ist deaktiviert. [23:06:27] Aus OL-Wiki [23:06:27] Wechseln zu: Navigation, Suche [23:06:27] Das Hochladen von Dateien ist in diesem Wiki deaktiviert. [23:06:27] Zurück zu Hauptseite. [23:06:33] wo kann ich das einstellen? [23:14:48] ok habs gefunden [23:23:57] <_Danny_B_> SykoSilver: ask your wiki's bureaucrats, they can rename user [23:24:28] But I'm the creator of my wiki [23:40:03] <_Danny_B_> SykoSilver: two ways: either edit database directly (i wouldn't probably recommend it) or install and use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser [23:40:55] I want to rename the Wiki, not a user. >_> [23:42:26] SykoSilver: You mean just what it calls itself in the titlebar and text? [23:42:37] Yes. [23:44:44] There's a variable in LocalSettings.php you need to change, but I forget which one (and I can't look it up with downloads running). Try skimming through < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/LocalSettings.php > [23:44:59] $wgTitle, possibly. [23:49:25] hey guys! does anyone know the easiest way for me to see what version a mediawiki install is? [23:52:43] Special:Version [23:53:04] What is the implications of mediawiki syntax not being EBNF describable? [23:53:19] Having a horrid parser [23:54:04] right, thanks avar, I found it [23:54:09] should have looked harder, lol [23:55:42] sorry not to know this, in what ways a parser for the syntax will horrible? It will suffer in speed, memory usage, ...? Will the parser code look like a dirty hack? [23:56:11] all of those things [23:57:21] I have heard people trying to build an alternative parser, ending up with failure. Haven't they tried hard enough or there is a terrible problem? [23:58:11] they haven't tried hard enough [23:58:51] You could actually do it by porting the current parser to some other language line-for-line and having it emit a ast instead of html [23:59:06] (personally, I feel the need for a parser for many portable devices with memory/processing power restrictions. I was wandering why there is no such thing, yet) [23:59:18] there isn't [23:59:23] what is ast? [23:59:34] an abstract syntax tree