[00:00:14] <_Danny_B_>	kjdavies: i don't know if http://www.wikichat.org/Main_Page will fit in your needs, try...
[00:07:48] <SykoSilver>	it would be cool if there was a way to make the discussion pages work like in phpBB forums, where you make posts instead of editing the page XP and if there was a discussion forum section, that showed all of the discussion pages as threads
[00:11:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) cosmetic changes and other enhancements (built-in " extensions") - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10954 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (dannychia)
[00:12:00] <SykoSilver>	How do I know if the images directory is writable or not?
[00:12:01] <kjdavies>	_Danny_B_: I'm giving it a try, it may be what I want
[00:15:06] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) cosmetic changes and other enhancements (built-in "extensions") - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10954  +comment (10danny_b)
[00:15:25] <_Danny_B_>	i just plagiated robchurch
[00:15:45] <SykoSilver>	well apparently it works =P thanks
[00:18:13] <diploid>	sykoSilver: what operating system? or are you ftping in?
[00:20:39] <kjdavies>	_Danny_B_: hmm.  This is kind of cool, but I think it's not what I'm looking for.
[00:20:49] <diploid>	sykoSilver: you could just type "chmod 755 images" when in the mediawiki directory
[00:20:53] <kjdavies>	I've got most of this in IM/IRC
[00:21:06] <kjdavies>	granted, it doesn't store the stuff connected to the wiki
[00:21:38] <kjdavies>	... it also doesn't seem to mark it in recent changes, so I don't know what chats I need to look up.
[00:23:11] <diploid>	kjdavies: about forum software for MW, there is one called media wiki bulletin board (or mwbb) more info at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MediaWiki_Bulletin_Board
[00:24:20] <CIA-1>	03rotem * r24848 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update and fixes.
[00:25:45] <kjdavies>	diploid: ah!  This looks promising
[00:27:54] <diploid>	kjdavies: no prob, i know theres also some user integration stuff for phpbb in the extension list on mediawiki.org as well
[00:28:07] <kjdavies>	hrmm
[00:28:13] <diploid>	but last time i tried that it didnt go so great
[00:28:25] <kjdavies>	I suppose I should describe what I'm really looking for...
[00:28:43] <kjdavies>	though I guess I don't have much to add, really
[00:29:08] <kjdavies>	forum software that'll know to look in a particular wiki when it tries to link to things (link or transclude, I guess)
[00:29:29] <kjdavies>	and understand mediawiki format, to simplify editing -- only one markup set to learn
[00:31:35] <spaz>	ok i have a weird problem
[00:32:01] <spaz>	on my wiki, http://example.com/wiki doesn't work while http://example.com/wiki/Main_page does
[00:32:21] <spaz>	i'm using rewrite rules in the httpd.conf file (apache)
[00:32:39] <spaz>	i used the ones described at [[Manual:Short URL]]
[00:32:54] <spaz>	any ideas?
[00:38:57] <kjdavies>	diploid: hrm.  MWBB is not installing, it tells me it can't connect to the MySQL server
[00:40:14] <kjdavies>	diploid: *sigh* I think I know why, too.  DataBase Server, name is 'dbname'.  Database Name, name is... 'dbname'
[00:41:16] *kjdavies 	guessed s/dbname/dbserver/ for the first one, appears to have worked
[00:46:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[00:46:32] <kjdavies>	diploid: seems to not like 'Users' permission setting
[00:48:08] <BiTMAP>	woah, opera does irc!
[00:49:11] <BiTMAP>	Question, Category Listing is failing to load Subcategories on the page. Simply says loading and does not bring back any return. IE shows an error on page. Anyone else run into this? Site is survivalwiki.org
[00:50:05] <kjdavies>	diploid: yeah, I think this'll do me.
[00:50:29] <kjdavies>	I don't do a lot of forum stuff, may or may not set up a 'real forum' somewhere, but for conversion purposes in-wiki I think this'll do
[00:51:38] <kjdavies>	diploid: I'm not entirely happy about the permissions granted, though
[00:53:49] <BiTMAP>	kjdavies: what mod/addon?
[00:53:59] <kjdavies>	MWBB
[00:54:02] <BiTMAP>	ah
[00:54:13] <BiTMAP>	kjdavies: I attempted to install it and may have damaged my wiki :|
[00:54:24] <kjdavies>	mine seems okay so far
[00:54:29] <BiTMAP>	kjdavies: but it looks like a good addon.
[00:54:43] <BiTMAP>	kjdavies: go to a category page, make sure your categories are still listing subcategories. 
[00:55:03] <BiTMAP>	kjdavies: Thats where mine appears broken, other then not wanting to actually run the MWBB itself.
[00:55:04] <kjdavies>	seems to be
[00:55:27] <kjdavies>	I'd still like to figure out how to modify the Category listings parts
[00:55:33] <kjdavies>	subcategories, article in category
[00:55:41] <BiTMAP>	kjdavies: ok, good :D that may mean I have damaged my Database and thats not good.
[00:55:45] <kjdavies>	I haven't been able to figure out what the hooks are
[00:58:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[00:59:27] <SykoSilver>	Anyone have a link to a wiki using MWBB?
[01:01:42] <BiTMAP>	hmm, anyone know a way to export all the content pages from the wiki, without useing the database?
[01:02:05] <BiTMAP>	as in, useing something like the special:export and taking it from the wiki side, instead of backing up the database
[01:14:38] *robchurch 	hums and curses browsers in general
[01:14:45] <BiTMAP>	lol
[01:14:47] <BiTMAP>	agreed
[01:17:47] <_Danny_B_>	hi robchurch, i just plagiated you about an hour ago... i hope that successfully ;-)
[01:17:56] <robchurch>	You whatted me?
[01:18:15] <robchurch>	Dude, what have I told you about not being into that kinky foreign stuff...?
[01:18:31] <BiTMAP>	lol
[01:18:32] <BiTMAP>	Ew
[01:18:55] <BiTMAP>	ugh, I need to do a complete dump of all data on my wiki to a format that can be imported. suggestions?
[01:19:56] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: to plagiate = to imitate, copy, emulate, follow in the footsteps of...
[01:20:30] <robchurch>	BiTMAP: XML dump script?
[01:21:02] <BiTMAP>	im trying MWdump, see I cant seem to figure out or find any documentation for the commandline tools
[01:21:06] <robchurch>	Ah, it's the second person plural present tense of the verb, "to plagiarise".
[01:21:16] <robchurch>	But in Italian.
[01:21:33] <_Danny_B_>	so what's the correct form?
[01:21:53] <BiTMAP>	To Plagiarise
[01:22:03] <BiTMAP>	You Plagiarised him 
[01:22:05] <BiTMAP>	:D
[01:22:31] <_Danny_B_>	aha. thx. good to learn new things ;-)
[01:22:37] <robchurch>	Well, I don't know if you mean plagiarise in the sense it usually refers, that is, "To use, and pass off as one's own, someone else's writing/speech."
[01:23:08] <robchurch>	You seem to mean imitate or copy the work of, but you didn't directly imply "passing it off as your own"
[01:23:17] <diploid>	kjdavies (if your still here): sorry, got called away, so you got mwbb working in the end? I know theres a few problems with the installer and the user problem is documented but seems to have no work around at this point
[01:23:44] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: correct, imitate would be more appropriate then
[01:23:50] *robchurch 	nods
[01:23:55] <robchurch>	See, I can assume good faith. ;)
[01:24:05] <robchurch>	Anyway, enough semantics; what is it you've done?
[01:24:08] <BiTMAP>	diploid: is it possible to if you accidently messup the installer cuase the categories to stop listing subcategories?
[01:24:23] <diploid>	hmm
[01:24:29] <diploid>	havent heard of that one
[01:24:50] <BiTMAP>	diploid: http://survivalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Topics <- the behaviour is seen there
[01:24:52] <diploid>	anythings possible though...
[01:25:22] <BiTMAP>	I blame the MWBB only becuase thats when i noticed it happening and I am unsure as to what exactly cuased it to start happening :|
[01:25:34] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: just closed one bug as invalid because it was many different requests at once and written comment "File your requests separately, please."
[01:25:40] <robchurch>	ah yes, that
[01:25:47] <_Danny_B_>	i saw this is your favourite action
[01:26:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change lists and page histories should use tables - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10955 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (robchur)
[01:27:08] <diploid>	bitMAP: wait, whats the problem? is it that theres only the top level of subcategories? that can be configured in the category tree extension usually and may have just been set to the wrong value at some point
[01:27:30] <BiTMAP>	hmm, ok, becuase yah, its showing top level, but when you hit a plus. it just switches to loading and stays there.
[01:27:33] <diploid>	or are there actually supost to be pages in the category?
[01:27:49] <diploid>	oh
[01:27:50] <diploid>	yah
[01:27:53] <BiTMAP>	there are pages that should load under each subcategory when you hit plus, and they are not
[01:27:54] <diploid>	uhhh that is interesting
[01:28:20] <diploid>	have you tried commenting the reference to mwbb in localsettings and see if that fixes it?
[01:28:36] <diploid>	if commeting mwbb doesnt fix it it shouldn't be a mwbb problem
[01:29:12] <BiTMAP>	actually when I uncomment the MWBB i get a SQL or PHP error appearing on the pages, so its currently commented out. When i originally attempted the install I forgot the prefix for the tables
[01:29:13] <diploid>	*commenting sorry
[01:29:26] <diploid>	oh
[01:29:38] <diploid>	uh
[01:29:39] <diploid>	k
[01:29:46] <BiTMAP>	Hmm, whats even MORE strange is that the categories are listing properly under the Plugin special page.
[01:29:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cosmetic changes and other enhancements (built-in "extensions") - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10954  (10robchur)
[01:29:55] <robchurch>	No, my favourite action is closing bugs WONTFIX.
[01:30:02] <robchurch>	My second favourite action is making users cry.
[01:30:04] <BiTMAP>	Special:CategoryTree appears to list properly.
[01:30:06] <diploid>	go to your database and delete the tables created by mwbb and then redo the install with the prefix?
[01:30:16] <robchurch>	Closing multi-issue bugs as INVALID is only my fifth or so. :)
[01:30:36] <diploid>	but the category tree thing is really weird
[01:30:38] <BiTMAP>	i did. and still no good. here lemme uncomment, If you could get my MWBB working Id be happy, I think i may be on the right path now for my broken categories
[01:31:05] <diploid>	rob church you got any ideas about this category tree/mwbb problem?
[01:31:09] <BiTMAP>	ya, go to Special:CategoryTree and type "Topics" and then hit show. It works there :P
[01:31:19] <robchurch>	nope
[01:31:21] <diploid>	k
[01:31:24] <robchurch>	haven't been following it
[01:31:35] <BiTMAP>	ok, uncommenting the mwbb, check out the errors that will appear
[01:31:54] <BiTMAP>	its the good old headers error
[01:32:16] <diploid>	and, just to rule this out, you do have $wgUseAjax = true; in your localsettings?
[01:32:24] <BiTMAP>	yes last check, but lets check that
[01:32:25] <diploid>	k
[01:32:51] <diploid>	k wait
[01:33:01] <diploid>	your getting these errors with mwbb commented?
[01:33:03] <BiTMAP>	which file takes proriyt, default settings or local
[01:33:05] <BiTMAP>	no
[01:33:06] <diploid>	or with it uncommented
[01:33:07] <diploid>	ok
[01:33:10] <BiTMAP>	this error is without the comment
[01:33:13] <diploid>	that makes so much more sense :P
[01:33:31] <diploid>	local settings for sure
[01:33:34] <BiTMAP>	ok
[01:33:35] <diploid>	never touch default settings
[01:34:18] <BiTMAP>	ok, yah ajax is true, and the listing appears to work on the plugin page but not in the actual wiki. :| hmm
[01:34:21] <diploid>	k give me a sec, i'm going to find that setting in categorycloud for the # of sublevels
[01:34:47] <BiTMAP>	ok, I think we may be doing to many bugs at once ;) i am gonna comment MWBB out again. that one is a known bug
[01:35:38] <diploid>	ok
[01:35:40] <diploid>	sounds good
[01:35:47] <BiTMAP>	IE appears to show an error on page
[01:36:08] <BiTMAP>	says something about permission denied, and in typical MS fashion does not show where the error is being cuased
[01:36:13] <diploid>	try inserting $wgCategoryTreeMaxDepth=5; in localsettings
[01:36:23] <diploid>	lol
[01:36:53] <BiTMAP>	lol, same outcome
[01:36:56] <BiTMAP>	still error on page
[01:37:16] <diploid>	k
[01:37:24] <BiTMAP>	Line 101 char3 error:permission denied Code:0 URL:pageaddress
[01:37:42] <diploid>	wow
[01:37:46] <diploid>	i really dont know dude
[01:38:10] <BiTMAP>	yah :| im thinking just to dump the wiki data to XML and then rebuild it into a new DB on my other domain and see what comes out
[01:38:27] <diploid>	maybe check the permisions for CategoryTreePage.php but thats a long shot
[01:38:38] <BiTMAP>	you happen to know what they should be?
[01:39:40] <diploid>	read and exectue ('skews my windows speak, i'm not very linux literate)
[01:40:06] <diploid>	same as everything else in the category tree folder though
[01:40:08] <BiTMAP>	lol, thats ok I on vista and a mac here
[01:40:16] <diploid>	oh dear god
[01:40:20] <kjdavies_>	diploid: was afk eating supper
[01:40:39] <kjdavies_>	yeah, I figured my way past the install problem, got it working.
[01:40:44] <diploid>	nice
[01:40:58] <kjdavies_>	I notice it doesn't seem to track forum/topic/comment counts correctly, though
[01:41:05] <diploid>	really?
[01:41:33] <diploid>	i'm relatively new to it (just started going through the code today for an extension i'm doing) what doesnt it track propper?
[01:41:36] <BiTMAP>	:P I have vista on this box and a mac next to me :P
[01:41:39] <kjdavies_>	BiTMAP: ah.  I don't have the categorytree extension installed.
[01:41:46] <kjdavies_>	there could well be a conflict between them
[01:41:54] <diploid>	nope
[01:41:58] <diploid>	i got em both
[01:42:08] <diploid>	well normally theres no conflict...
[01:42:51] <kjdavies_>	diploid: well, I created a forum, created a topic in the forum.
[01:42:59] <kjdavies_>	comments were counted, topic wasn't
[01:43:05] <kjdavies_>	(0, 2 respectively)
[01:43:20] <kjdavies_>	when I deleted the top, comments went down correctly, topic count went to -1
[01:43:34] <kjdavies_>	also, some oddities when I nuked my test category
[01:44:17] <BiTMAP>	I am gonna go AFK, try rebuilding the site when I get back. ugh. I hate troubleshooting :P
[01:44:23] <BiTMAP>	And I do it for a living
[01:44:26] <kjdavies>	heh
[01:44:32] <kjdavies>	something I really should do with mine
[01:44:36] <kjdavies>	build a scratch server
[01:44:42] <kjdavies>	so I can test this stuff *first*
[01:44:52] <kjdavies>	and keep intermediates so when something hoses, I can easily restore what I had before
[01:44:59] <BiTMAP>	yah, I own my webserver, and I have 2 domains, I think I need to do that myself. Esp since my wiki is potentially pretty large
[01:45:15] <kjdavies>	happily, I can have as many (virtual) hosts as I want
[01:45:17] <BiTMAP>	I just get a lil anxious to put new plugins :P
[01:45:26] <BiTMAP>	as can I if i wanna learn that :P
[01:45:28] <kjdavies>	so all I'd need to do is create 'wiki-dev' and/or 'wiki-test' databases
[01:45:29] <BiTMAP>	anyhow, Cya guys, thanks
[01:45:31] <diploid>	nice
[01:45:33] <diploid>	lates
[01:45:49] <BiTMAP>	i will be back to pick your brains im sure
[01:45:52] <diploid>	yah i just try everything on my development machine first
[01:45:56] <diploid>	lol
[01:46:00] <kjdavies>	diploid: yeah, it is.  only problem is the host can suddenly go slow for a bit
[01:46:01] <diploid>	the horror :P
[01:46:05] <kjdavies>	but I can live with it
[01:46:22] <diploid>	fair enough
[01:46:24] <kjdavies>	man
[01:46:25] <Demone>	hey guys, i just disabled the content tabs for users not logged in, but if you know what you are doing its still easy to edit pages.... is there a way to completely disable edits from non logged in users?
[01:46:40] <kjdavies>	I wish googling 'mediawiki forum' (or 'wiki forum') would return what I'm looking for
[01:46:49] <diploid>	seriously
[01:46:55] <diploid>	well mwbb is still pretty new
[01:46:59] <kjdavies>	Demone: in LocalSettings.php
[01:47:09] <kjdavies>	you can modify so normal users have no edit permissions
[01:47:42] <Demone>	kjdavies: i take it nonregistered users are considered normal and registered users are handled completely differently?
[01:47:44] <diploid>	paste these 2 lines to disable edit and create for unregistered users:
[01:47:44] <diploid>	$wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['edit']            = false;
[01:47:44] <diploid>	$wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createpage']      = false;
[01:47:55] <kjdavies>	Demone: what diploid said
[01:47:59] <diploid>	lol
[01:48:02] *Demone 	nods.
[01:48:03] <diploid>	cheers ;)
[01:48:19] <Demone>	I saw that, but was not sure if it would assume that registered users are to be bound by that premission set
[01:48:21] <Demone>	ty
[01:48:38] <kjdavies>	nope
[01:48:42] <diploid>	no no registered, admins and beurocrats have permisions which over right these
[01:48:43] <kjdavies>	it's a fallback thing.
[01:48:52] <kjdavies>	registered users are in group 'user' (rather than '*')
[01:48:56] <kjdavies>	if I'm not mistaken
[01:49:02] <diploid>	belive so
[01:49:03] *kjdavies 	hasn't read doco on this, mostly figured it out
[01:49:41] <Demone>	diploid: ty.  The site didnt really say one way or another how registered users were handled, and i havent had a chance to browse that far :)
[01:49:58] <kjdavies>	is there a 'book of mediawiki'?
[01:50:02] <diploid>	lol
[01:50:04] <diploid>	i wish
[01:50:09] <kjdavies>	no, seriously
[01:50:14] <kjdavies>	I mean, 'it's in the wiki' is great
[01:50:20] <kjdavies>	*if* you know what in hell you're looking for
[01:50:20] <diploid>	the manual on mediawiki is pretty good?
[01:50:29] <kjdavies>	I haven't found it so
[01:50:42] <kjdavies>	I have fairly specific questions, good luck finding the answers
[01:51:12] <Demone>	kjdavies: most of the stuff is included there, it just isnt verbose with 3vs :-D
[01:51:17] <diploid>	seriously, developing my extension [user:diploid/ATS (article tagging system)] was hell, theres no documentation for alot of stuff out there
[01:51:20] <Demone>	its -v  instead of -vvv
[01:51:21] <Demone>	lol
[01:51:52] <kjdavies>	diploid: I'm not even (necessarily) trying to develop an extension
[01:51:58] <kjdavies>	modify one slightly, from time to time
[01:52:01] <Demone>	the two lines that diploid gave me for instance are found right on the wiki, but i wasn't sure if it was going to assume that * overrode registered users and such :)
[01:52:23] <diploid>	lol, you caught me :)
[01:52:49] <diploid>	i did just steal those two lines from my local settings
[01:53:13] <diploid>	but * definately doesnt override users
[01:53:53] <Demone>	lol
[01:54:14] <Demone>	i found a second page on the wiki thats more advanced than the one i initially came to that makes it easier to infer the over-ride permissions
[01:55:01] <Demone>	trying to find the original page, lol
[01:56:10] <diploid>	haha good old mediawiki.org navigation or rather lack there of
[01:57:50] <diploid>	k, back to figuring out mwbb (afk-ish)
[01:58:37] <kjdavies>	diploid: what are you trying to figure out?
[01:58:52] <Demone>	diploid: if you look at just how much damned content mediawiki itself has, its a PAIN configuring your own... for instance the editing help... it has so many links and templates and all that crap that it makes it impossible to make anywhere near as advanced of one for yourself, lol
[01:59:00] <kjdavies>	it's a little clunky, but it went on easy enough
[01:59:57] <diploid>	no no just trying to extend mwbb in a couple ways
[02:00:10] <kjdavies>	oh?  how's that"
[02:00:14] <diploid>	first i want to be able to style topics by css
[02:01:09] <diploid>	and second i want to be able to embed topics in normal articles (finished this bit) but also have embedded topics be generated for each page i place a certain parser tag in
[02:01:13] <kjdavies>	diploid: hmm.  I wonder how hard it would be, how much effort it would take, to modify an existing forum package so it could talk to a mediawiki, if it knew the connection information
[02:01:24] <diploid>	that was my initial thought
[02:01:27] <kjdavies>	diploid: how do you mean the second?
[02:01:48] <kjdavies>	(initial thought 'modify existing forum software'?)
[02:01:54] <diploid>	yes
[02:02:00] <diploid>	but then i looked at phpbb
[02:02:03] <diploid>	and its complexity
[02:02:12] <kjdavies>	y'know, that's something I've noticed about PHP
[02:02:18] <kjdavies>	simple things can be done simply
[02:02:20] <diploid>	lol
[02:02:22] <diploid>	its true
[02:02:24] <kjdavies>	but complex things quickly escalate
[02:02:32] <diploid>	indeed
[02:03:01] <diploid>	i mean mediawiki is pretty well made once you figure out all the undocumented tricks, but there in lies the problem, the undocumented tricks
[02:03:10] <kjdavies>	no doubt
[02:03:32] <kjdavies>	gah
[02:03:48] <diploid>	k
[02:03:48] <kjdavies>	it's times like this, looking at large, complex software, that make me have to fight off the urge to roll my own
[02:03:55] <diploid>	lol
[02:04:04] <kjdavies>	because what exists is too big or hard to learn (or to fight with)
[02:04:22] <kjdavies>	fwiw, though, mediawiki isn't quite what I want in the first place
[02:04:25] <diploid>	yah my site was initially a home rolled asp.net
[02:04:27] <kjdavies>	it does the job, more or less
[02:04:28] <kjdavies>	eww
[02:04:32] <diploid>	but then i realized how much asp.net sucked :P
[02:04:35] <kjdavies>	yeah
[02:04:43] <kjdavies>	but it doesn't do *exactly* what I want
[02:04:51] <diploid>	yah
[02:04:59] <diploid>	just gotta take a shot at it
[02:05:09] <kjdavies>	what I want is part database, part wiki, part forum, part blog (but only sort of on the last one)
[02:05:12] <diploid>	once you get to a certain point it all becomes a little clearer
[02:05:17] <kjdavies>	of course
[02:05:22] <kjdavies>	all learning curves are like that
[02:05:27] <diploid>	for sure
[02:05:42] <diploid>	yah those are pretty demanding needs
[02:05:44] <kjdavies>	but I've asked in here "how can I do that?" and gotten lots of "um. dunno.  They were talking about supporting that in 1.97 or something"
[02:05:50] <kjdavies>	well, not so much, really
[02:05:59] <kjdavies>	the initial database design isn't all that hard
[02:06:02] <diploid>	true
[02:06:09] <kjdavies>	at their basics, a forum, a wiki, and a blog are all rather simple
[02:06:20] <diploid>	but wiki is hard to get all the features people want
[02:06:25] <kjdavies>	diploid: well, yeah
[02:06:27] <diploid>	a forum is easy
[02:06:31] <kjdavies>	but "that's details"
[02:06:40] <kjdavies>	and even at that a simple wiki is pretty easy
[02:06:55] <diploid>	to a certain extent
[02:06:59] <kjdavies>	'simple', I said
[02:07:07] <kjdavies>	I'm quite aware that mediawiki does a lot more than 'simple'
[02:07:12] <diploid>	lol
[02:07:17] <kjdavies>	OTOH, I question my need for a lot more than that
[02:07:30] <kjdavies>	because I'm sure there are *huge* swathes of mediawiki I won't even touch on
[02:07:44] <diploid>	quiet possibly
[02:08:13] <diploid>	for my site though i was tired of creating each page by hand and wanted to just make an extension once and have users mess around with it
[02:08:22] <kjdavies>	that's why I'm using a wiki now
[02:08:33] <kjdavies>	makes editing easy, and I can hand it off to my users
[02:08:48] <x99>	These things are just a matter of details, but, then case insensitive wiki names are just a matter of detail that still hasn't been done...
[02:08:54] <kjdavies>	however, one thing I'd *really* like -- that doesn't seem to be here -- is to have forms in the wiki
[02:09:16] <x99>	kjsaves: there's a couple of extensions
[02:09:16] <kjdavies>	x99: really?  I assumed in my design the names would be insensitive.  I'm lazy that way
[02:09:40] <kjdavies>	x99: oh?  which ones?  I checked over the stable extensions list, don't remember seeing anything that appealed
[02:09:50] <x99>	Simple Form
[02:10:01] <kjdavies>	anyway.  Some data elements have pretty standard fields.  I'd like to be able to present a form that the user just fills in the blanks.
[02:10:05] <kjdavies>	x99: oh?  I'll check
[02:10:06] <x99>	There's also input box.
[02:10:15] <diploid>	ooh
[02:10:25] <diploid>	now i have to check out this simple forms as well!
[02:10:27] <kjdavies>	x99: heh.  I was on 'R' in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[02:10:33] <x99>	And with some mess, you can also enable html <form>
[02:11:05] <diploid>	not so sure about wanting that
[02:11:13] <diploid>	seems a tab bit insecure no?
[02:11:33] <x99>	Why?
[02:12:07] <x99>	I've seen this claim, but I have yet to see a reasoned explanation.
[02:12:10] <kjdavies>	x99: ah, right.  needs Ajax, it seems
[02:12:34] <diploid>	well that was a sort of newishly fearful of the unknown question i was hoping you would know
[02:12:39] <diploid>	*newbishly
[02:14:33] <kjdavies>	oh man
[02:14:37] <x99>	someone can stick up a page pretending to be your donation page and ship the form input elsewhere, however someone can also just redirect the page to an offsite page, so i see little difference.
[02:14:42] <kjdavies>	http://www.organicdesign.co.nz/ looks like it's got goodstuff
[02:14:58] <x99>	Yes, there's a few good things there
[02:15:06] <x99>	wikihow is also good
[02:17:20] <kjdavies>	hmm.  Extension:DynamicPageList looks interesting too
[02:17:38] <SykoSilver>	I installed WikiChat but it's giving me errors...
[02:17:55] <kjdavies>	SykoSilver: permissions problems in your directories
[02:18:01] <kjdavies>	cd phpfreechat
[02:18:06] <kjdavies>	chmod -R 777 data
[02:18:21] <kjdavies>	note, however, that you won't be able to delete the buggery thing when you're done
[02:18:31] <kjdavies>	because it seems the server grabs ownership of some of the files
[02:18:43] <SykoSilver>	Hm.. I'm using XAMPP
[02:20:02] <SykoSilver>	Any idea where I should go to fix this? XD I'm not very web-savvy
[02:20:28] <kjdavies>	SykoSilver: did you fix the file permissions?
[02:20:34] <SykoSilver>	I don't know how =P
[02:20:45] <kjdavies>	it's on the install page for wikichat
[02:20:46] <kjdavies>	iirc
[02:24:29] <x99>	WikiChat doesn't seem stable yet to me...
[02:26:08] <kjdavies>	gah.  SimpleForms looks promising, easy enough to install, but how do you *use* it?
[02:26:21] *kjdavies 	looks for example
[02:29:33] <SykoSilver>	...I wish I knew more about web stuff. XD It has options for FTP and SSH... I'm using XAMPP with Apache, MySql, and FileZilla... I think FileZilla is FTP :?
[02:29:53] <diploid>	kjdavies: i assume you need something server side to take all this data from your simple form?
[02:30:16] <kjdavies>	it looks like the extension may format the data into a template (or something)
[02:30:37] <diploid>	i totally agree with the or something...
[02:32:47] <SykoSilver>	Ok, got phpFreeChat to work on it's own... let's see if I can get it to work in the Wiki
[02:37:59] <BiTMAP>	back!
[02:38:15] <BiTMAP>	so, anyone have any amazing idears with my ajax category listing problems? :P
[02:44:05] <diploid>	sorry dude, still got no idea over here
[02:44:22] <BiTMAP>	thats ok, im uploading to a new server.
[02:44:31] <diploid>	cool
[02:49:32] <kjdavies>	this is annoying
[02:50:12] <kjdavies>	it doesn't seem to do what it's supposed to
[02:50:38] <kjdavies>	if I provide the parameter, great (returns the list of articles in the category)
[02:51:06] <kjdavies>	if I don't, it dumps the raw HTML the {{#form}} (SimpleForms extension) creates
[02:51:52] <kjdavies>	*but*, if I remove the {{#if}} it's wrapped in (have *just* the {{#form}}) it presents the form and takes input and passes it on
[02:53:25] <x99>	welcome the the vagarities of template-language
[02:53:30] <kjdavies>	yeah
[02:54:30] <x99>	this should be replaced with lisp and be done with
[03:01:22] <BiTMAP>	ok, uploading the XML
[03:07:07] <BiTMAP>	ok, of the content that uploaded from my XML it worked
[03:11:42] <BiTMAP>	ok, thats it. I just replaced the Local php file with the one in the config folder
[03:11:50] <BiTMAP>	It fixed. so it was one of the other plugins. 
[03:24:23] <K1u>	hello
[03:27:46] <kjdavies>	... which part of 'simple' did SimpleForms fail at?
[03:30:23] <BiTMAP>	lol
[03:30:28] <BiTMAP>	hmm all of it? :P
[03:31:01] <BiTMAP>	I wish i knew how to fix this headers error so I could run MWBB on my site :|
[03:31:20] <BiTMAP>	its a documented error but no one seems to address it :|
[03:31:44] <kjdavies>	if I just had an *example that worked* and showed what I'm trying to do, I'd be satisfied
[03:32:03] <BiTMAP>	ya
[03:35:19] <BiTMAP>	what are you trying to do?
[03:36:03] <kjdavies>	create a simpleform that'll create an article in my wiki
[03:36:06] <kjdavies>	as a first step
[03:37:54] <BiTMAP>	ugh
[03:38:20] <BiTMAP>	I wish I could actually program php, so I could fix this stupid MWBB, becuase it doesnt appear that the development on it has continued
[03:42:39] <BiTMAP>	wait, doesnt createbox do something like you want, just creates a page with no content?
[03:49:36] <MrDollars>	I think it would be nice to incorporate a readplease program in the mediawiki software, for wikipedia.
[03:49:50] <MrDollars>	text to speech software.
[03:50:24] <MrDollars>	a text to speech software on wikipedia would be cool.
[04:11:12] <BiTMAP>	cya guys, have a gooder
[04:14:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) namespace creation request for fr.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10813  +comment (10jeluf)
[04:19:26] *robchurch 	sighs
[04:19:31] <robchurch>	Man, Channel 4 on Demand sucks.
[04:20:05] <robchurch>	I install it on a partition with plenty of space for the downloads, but it insists on placing them somewhere else, somewhere with much less disk.
[04:20:42] <robchurch>	I guess the moral of the story is to trust software developers who work for the media *less* than I trust Microsoft.
[04:23:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[04:24:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[04:24:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Disable anonymous access to create anypage in Wikimania 2007 Official Site - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10940  +comment (10jeluf)
[04:26:36] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[04:28:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set $wgUploadNavigationUrl for French Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10945  +comment (10jeluf)
[04:34:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable subpages on the Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10749  +comment (10jeluf)
[04:45:30] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Automatically changing Wikipedia logo - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10075  +comment (10jeluf)
[04:51:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create mailing list for Meta - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10098  +comment (10jeluf)
[04:54:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Multiple "magic words" for links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (eep)
[04:57:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow logged in user to reclaim previous anon edits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10957 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (bugs)
[05:02:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Delete "=?UTF-8?Q?Wikiversit=C3=A0?=" and " =?UTF-8?Q?Discussioni=20Wikiversi?==?UTF-8?Q?t=C3=A0?=" namespaces on it. wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10287  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:07:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) de.wikiquote: please activate patrolled versions. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10290  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:09:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Install the "Quiz" extension on it.wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10312  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:09:53] <SykoSilver>	Anyone know where I can find the code for the template for wikipedia's Template:Main?
[05:16:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable subpages in "Wikijunior" namespace on Dutch Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10329  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:18:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) shell - activate AllowSlowParserFunctions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10330  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:20:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Configure additional import sources for German Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10346  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:23:04] *Raymond_ 	makes JeLuF a big cup of coffee for bug 10346 :) thanks
[05:44:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create mailing list for Wikimedia Norway - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10355  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:47:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Edit Patrol for autoconfirmed users at Portuguese Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10362  +comment (10jeluf)
[06:49:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: central database of numbers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4706  (10stephane.brunner)
[06:51:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database hot issues tracking, December 2004 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1191  (10stephane.brunner)
[07:05:51] <CIA-1>	03amidaniel * r24849 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (OutputPage.php Title.php): 
[07:05:51] <CIA-1>	* Fix bug with Protected namespace message when protected namespace is NS_MAIN.
[07:05:51] <CIA-1>	* Clean up formatPermissionsErrorMessage .. no point building a list if there's only one item, and it casues lots of grossness on complicated custom messages (removing linebreaks, screwing up formatting, etc.).
[07:23:52] <CIA-1>	03amidaniel * r24850 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: Haha .. woops. Left some debugging in there :)
[07:26:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) portal update for wikipedia.be and wikipedia.nl - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7197  (10walter)
[07:48:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add $wgCookiePrefix property - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10958 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (stephane.brunner)
[07:54:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload Images bigger then 1,6 MB getting an Error 500 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7716  (10stephane.brunner)
[08:42:36] <CIA-1>	03david * r24851 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/ (LqtExtension.php LqtModel.php): finally fixed rootRevision bug. thanks php
[08:46:48] <amidaniel>	"thanks php" ... not something you hear very often :)
[08:48:38] <mark>	I am sure it was sarcastic
[09:03:03] <amidaniel>	Ah, that would make more sense :)
[09:39:45] <bastl>	Concerning Authentication via NIS on a Unix Server: How complicated would it be to port this Typo3 auth-plugin to mediawiki?
[09:39:47] <bastl>	http://tinyurl.com/2p2ab4
[09:40:14] <bastl>	could someone point me to a stub that we could adapt?
[10:24:10] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[10:35:01] <GBenemy>	hi all
[10:35:55] <GBenemy>	How come when I take a .png picture from wikipedia, and upload it it loses the invisible background and the lossless scalable vector image and instead of having a transparent background, it just turns black
[10:36:04] <GBenemy>	i right click-> Save Image As
[10:39:12] <Raymond_>	TimStarling: around?
[10:39:38] <TimStarling>	yes
[10:40:32] <Raymond_>	TimStarling: your ogg extension is great, I like it :) but found two small errors: http://raymond.dnsalias.net/Ogg-Video-Audio.png 
[10:41:00] <Raymond_>	see bottom of screenshot for a PHP warning and the audio in gallery
[10:41:09] <TimStarling>	yeah, gallery wasn't tested, I was just hoping it would work
[10:41:24] <Raymond_>	it works for videos well
[10:52:28] <GBenemy>	Is IPBWiki worth buying?
[10:59:12] <melipone>	hello
[11:00:40] <melipone>	I know it's early on the East coast but I have a question
[11:01:58] <Raymond_>	melipone: ask you question... in europe it's high noon :)
[11:02:14] <melipone>	thanks. Here it goes
[11:02:49] <melipone>	I'm trying to build a bibliography on a wiki so that other people can collaborate bibtex entries.
[11:03:06] <melipone>	I then cut-and-paste the bibtex
[11:03:06] <melipone>	entry page from the wiki into a file and then run a script that
[11:03:06] <melipone>	combines bibtex2thml and html2wiki.
[11:03:22] <melipone>	. I then cut-and-paste the output to
[11:03:22] <melipone>	a wiki page. All this cut-and-pasting is manual and is becoming a
[11:03:22] <melipone>	pain.
[11:03:38] <melipone>	 But it gives a nice looking bibliography with minimal effort and
[11:03:38] <melipone>	also an html file that can be used to write a paper with Word if
[11:03:38] <melipone>	desired.
[11:03:44] <melipone>	Does that make sense?
[11:04:48] <melipone>	sorry for the bad formatting
[11:05:28] <melipone>	I've heard of wiki bots to automate tasks but I don't know where to begin.
[11:09:07] <Raymond_>	melipone: for bot programming see http://pywikipediabot.sourceforge.net/
[11:09:30] <Raymond_>	but I personally know nothing about bot programming
[11:09:36] <melipone>	okay, thanks
[11:09:42] <Platonides>	you have a script on the maintenance folder for importing texts
[11:09:57] <Platonides>	maintenance/importTextFile.php
[11:10:28] <melipone>	ha! I can download and upload wiki pages?
[11:23:06] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Set up mailing list for Bengali Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4554  +comment (10jeluf)
[11:23:46] <GBenemy>	Meliphone: Special:Export and Special:Import
[11:23:59] <GBenemy>	you have to be an Administrator to do Special:Import though
[11:24:14] <Neskaya>	Does anyone know how to find a specific milestone for a wiki?
[11:24:24] <melipone>	oh, thanks!
[11:24:30] <Neskaya>	enwiktionary just hit 500,000 and we are trying to find out what entry it was.
[11:24:54] <GBenemy>	Does anyone know how to change a site's monobook.css, I did it when I first installed MediaWiki, and I can't remember how now....I've tried MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[11:25:14] <melipone>	Can I ask to have administrator privileges on the wiki?
[11:26:40] <Kansado>	alguien habla espanol?
[11:27:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recursion inhibitor fails on canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7912  +comment (10emmanuel)
[11:27:31] <Kansado>	alguien habla espanol?
[11:27:49] <GBenemy>	yo
[11:28:00] <Kansado>	gracias
[11:28:08] <Kansado>	quisiera instalar el monobook
[11:28:15] <Kansado>	como se hace
[11:28:18] <Kansado>	desde donde
[11:28:29] <Kansado>	etc
[11:29:46] *Kansado 	slaps GBenemy around a bit with a large trout
[11:30:13] <GBenemy>	Kansado: monobook no es instalado?
[11:30:17] <GBenemy>	LOL
[11:30:30] <GBenemy>	if u can speak english then do it!
[11:31:09] <GBenemy>	no se que tu pides
[11:31:46] <zandrew>	i speak english
[11:32:03] <GBenemy>	Everyone: Kansado wants to know how to install monobook, and where to put it
[11:32:37] <GBenemy>	someone explain to him in spanish
[11:32:39] <zandrew>	i have a view that the howto's onlinu\e should all be video-ralated
[11:34:36] <MrHappy>	http://wikiangela.com/wiki/Wiki-related_videos
[11:34:49] <MrHappy>	have a look at that Wiki :)
[11:35:11] <GBenemy>	Kansado: Que Quienes hacer?
[11:35:42] <MrHappy>	I like this one
[11:35:44] <MrHappy>	http://www.commoncraft.com/video-wikis-plain-english
[11:36:03] <zandrew>	i'm looking now
[11:37:44] <Kansado>	i Now http://www.learnprogramming.tv/wiki/index.php?title=LearnProgramming:How_to_edit_our_wiki
[11:44:45] <fduffy>	Hi can anyone help with using extensions.  I've recently downloaded prefix security, but it's not running through the installation.
[11:47:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Localise first day of the month in French and other languages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10959 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (le.korrigan)
[11:48:01] <fduffy>	Anyone home?
[11:49:29] <fduffy>	Is this working now?
[11:50:38] <MrHappy>	Hi, fduffy, you have picked a quite time to ask your question, I am not familiar with extensions, so cannot help.
[11:55:33] *TimStarling 	is having fun with back buttons
[11:55:45] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi TimStarling 
[11:55:57] <kunsole>	evening TimStarling
[11:56:35] <TimStarling>	hi
[12:09:07] <MrHappy>	zandrew, find any good video's on the link I sent you?
[12:12:12] <zandrew>	just a minute
[12:12:13] <CIA-1>	03aaron * r24852 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files): (log message trimmed)
[12:12:13] <CIA-1>	*Make some queries more efficient
[12:12:13] <CIA-1>	*Clean up some diff related stuff
[12:12:13] <CIA-1>	*Fix bug that made the minimal review level message not show
[12:12:13] <CIA-1>	*Make isPristine() consistent
[12:12:14] <CIA-1>	*Add option to autoreview changes/new pages
[12:12:16] <CIA-1>	*Remove unused global
[12:19:13] <MrHappy>	still watching them all, I only found the link yesterday, only watched the one about wikis in english
[12:21:02] <RoRo>	I want to make a MySQL replication of my Wiki read-only.  With 1.6 I added  "$wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;" to LocalSettings, but with 1.10.1 this doesn't seem to have any effect.  Where can I search for the root of my problem?
[12:22:46] <puzzlet>	why do I have category tags *duplicated* in here - http://www.anykin.com/wiki/Test ?
[12:36:11] <Stwalkerster>	Hi! Is it possible to get a copy of the special page that was used for the wikimedia elections, because I would like to implement a similar system on my wiki?
[12:37:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/
[12:37:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	^there
[12:37:48] <Stwalkerster>	oh right. thanks :)
[12:37:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[12:42:52] <VasilVV>	Any ideas how to add API-page to extension?
[12:44:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Requesting a new custom namespace to Lithuanian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10960 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (knutux)
[12:46:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Requesting a new custom namespace to Lithuanian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10960   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[13:02:41] <CIA-1>	03aaron * r24853 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: *initialize two vars
[13:24:07] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[13:31:53] <Stefan-qn>	help needed:
[13:31:54] <Stefan-qn>	"WARNING: This page is XYZ kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." 
[13:31:54] <Stefan-qn>	How do I do this without pollute the template namespace?
[13:36:23] <Sundance_Raphael>	you make hadlines to sides
[13:36:32] <Sundance_Raphael>	or make the text shorter
[13:41:57] *_Danny_B_ 	is reaching for the fresh coffee and passing it to brion
[13:43:41] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[13:43:51] <brion>	mmmmm
[13:47:45] *^demon 	takes a sip from his water and checks out the latest SVN
[13:52:04] *Sundance_Raphael 	puts tea and cake in the chat
[13:54:14] *^demon 	grabs a piece of cake
[13:56:36] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[13:59:42] *brion 	grabs more tea and cake and gets fatter
[13:59:43] <brion>	*burp*
[14:01:31] <_Danny_B_>	cake? no cokies?
[14:01:47] <^demon>	cokies?
[14:01:50] <^demon>	Cookies perhaps?
[14:01:51] <brion>	cokies? that sounds illegal
[14:02:05] <_Danny_B_>	typo ;-)
[14:02:14] <^demon>	Sure.
[14:02:45] *_Danny_B_ 	is reaching for dictionary to see what cokie is
[14:04:11] *Sundance_Raphael 	find some cookies and put them in the chat
[14:08:03] <VoiceOfAll>	brion: you're not fat :)
[14:09:38] <brion>	stop it VoiceOfAll, you'll give me an eating disorder ;)
[14:09:57] <VoiceOfAll>	you're festively plump
[14:10:04] *VoiceOfAll 	hides
[14:10:25] *^demon 	thinks he's fat
[14:10:38] <VoiceOfAll>	I am a little too thin
[14:10:50] <VoiceOfAll>	Don't have the appetite I used to
[14:11:10] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[14:11:51] *brion 	hates all you high-metabolism motherfuckers
[14:11:58] <brion>	but i'll outlive you all when we get lost in the desert or somethin
[14:11:59] <^demon>	Is wikibugs stuck? cbrown1023 didn't make the last comment....
[14:12:44] <VoiceOfAll>	brion: or global warming will bring the desert to you!
[14:12:50] <brion>	\o/
[14:12:52] <VoiceOfAll>	bwuhahaha
[14:13:26] <Stefan-qn>	Sundance_Raphael isn't there a better solution?
[14:13:53] <brion>	^demon: something weird in bugzilla i think
[14:13:59] <brion>	it's collecting several items into the mails
[14:14:04] <brion>	perhaps it thinks its previous mails didn't go out
[14:14:24] <_Danny_B_>	brion: i probably know what happened
[14:14:47] <VoiceOfAll>	brion: http://76.205.121.180/MW/index.php/Alexis_Bledel <3
[14:14:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Interwiki redirects and redirects to special pages are listed in Special: BrokenRedirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9237  +comment (10mediawiki)
[14:15:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Commons: Restricted ability to override files to prevent vandalism - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3214   +shell; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:15:11] <brion>	 There was an error sending mail from 'bugzilla-daemon@mail.wikimedia.org' to 'DaB.@gmx.de':Can't send data
[14:15:19] <brion>	grr
[14:15:20] <brion>	wtf?
[14:15:20] <_Danny_B_>	when i was submitting my comment to 57 it gave me some notice that it can't send mail to DaB 
[14:15:26] <_Danny_B_>	exactly
[14:15:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Commons: Restricted ability to override files to prevent vandalism - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3214   +shell; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:15:47] <VoiceOfAll>	hey!
[14:15:55] <VoiceOfAll>	do I have an evil twin?
[14:16:42] <brion>	VoiceOfAll: do you have a goatee? if so you may *be* the evil twin
[14:18:08] <VoiceOfAll>	brion: Alexis is tEh $hit
[14:23:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Commons: Restricted ability to override files to prevent vandalism - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3214   +shell; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:24:12] <VoiceOfAll>	>:(
[14:26:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Commons: Restricted ability to override files to prevent vandalism - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3214   +shell; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:33:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Interwiki redirects and redirects to special pages are listed in Special: BrokenRedirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9237  +comment (10webboy)
[14:33:57] <_Danny_B_>	what user right is the one that allows sysops to edit another user's css/js page?
[14:34:36] <^demon>	Magic.
[14:37:13] <TheRAt>	hi .. i am a little confused .. what is the best method to manage users on a wiki (ie. remove or add users) ??
[14:37:27] <^demon>	TheRAt: You can't remove users.
[14:37:56] <jimbojw>	_Danny_B_: i believe the priviliege that controls that is editinterface
[14:37:57] <TheRAt>	can i merge users ?
[14:38:09] <^demon>	TheRAt: Nope.
[14:38:46] <TheRAt>	hmm .. ok .. thanks 
[14:38:47] <TheRAt>	:)
[14:40:53] <CIA-1>	03mkroetzsch * r24854 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Infolink.php: Filter occurrences of '' in search links (otherwise property values with included '' create damaged search links)
[15:02:10] <ChemicalBit>	hello! A blocked user can change his own password ?
[15:02:31] <ChemicalBit>	(it is : access to his own user preferences, and chang them?)
[15:02:39] <Raymond_>	ChemicalBit: IIRC yes. he can all do without editing
[15:03:02] <ChemicalBit>	ok ( by the way IIRC = ? )
[15:03:19] <Raymond_>	if I remember corectly :)
[15:10:27] <CIA-1>	03mkroetzsch * r24855 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Hooks.php: Accept external links ([...]) as part of property values
[15:12:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Need AM or PM in time zone information in preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5649  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:12:37] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Add date preferences incorporating AM/PM etc. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10911  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:16:07] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Time zone names in signatures lack i18n - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7556  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:16:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide variable for customizing time zone description - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5832  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:16:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide variable for customizing time zone description - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5832  (10raimond.spekking)
[15:19:33] <ChemicalBit>	 Raymond_: if I remember corectly :)  <--- no problem. I've blocked him (he was fooling us, or his account was compromised. Blocked anyhow ;-) )
[15:36:07] <Kris>	Umm where do I download on the download page?
[15:37:10] <Kris>	bye
[15:37:21] <bary>	witam
[15:40:34] *brion-office 	sighs
[15:40:42] *brion-office 	stabs sendmail
[15:42:09] <brion-office>	ok, so 'sendmail' mode just drops mail silently instead of erroring out for one address
[15:42:11] <brion-office>	nice!
[15:42:14] <brion-office>	fuck you, mail
[15:42:16] <brion-office>	fuck you
[15:59:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  mwdumper direct MySQL connection needs to distinguish UTF-8 and compat schemas - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9279  (10brion)
[15:59:22] <brion-office>	there we go
[16:01:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Unable to rename user where the username starts with a lowercase letter - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4939  (10brion)
[16:01:41] <faceface>	dumb question, but how do I avoid jumping to a page with the exact name as my search term?
[16:02:02] <Jack_Phoenix>	click the "search" button instead of "go" button
[16:02:09] <faceface>	doh!
[16:02:13] <faceface>	thanks Jack_Phoenix 
[16:02:27] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[16:02:31] *faceface 	wonders why nothing matches ...
[16:05:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) de.wikiquote: please activate patrolled versions. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10290  (10N/A)
[16:08:26] <_Danny_B_>	good job, brion
[16:10:12] <hownottobeseen>	hi
[16:11:13] <CIA-1>	03aaron * r24856 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files): *Some caching and master/slave fixes, still not entirely happy with some redundant procedures in some cases
[16:12:23] <hownottobeseen>	on my wiki i've set the rights, that unknown users can't edit pages ($wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false) but how can i make possible that they can write on the talk-namespace?
[16:24:14] <_Danny_B_>	brion: could you directly rewrite the number in site_stats table?
[16:27:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple "magic words" for links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10956  +comment (10danny_b)
[16:27:27] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Give users the ability to edit their own edit summaries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10723  (10e.martinson)
[16:28:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install the "Quiz" extension on it.wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10312  (10powerpdn)
[16:29:05] <CIA-1>	03aaron * r24857 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: 
[16:29:05] <CIA-1>	*Disable tabs by default
[16:29:05] <CIA-1>	*Tweak form
[16:34:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow logged in user to reclaim previous anon edits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10957  +comment (10danny_b)
[16:41:44] <jevangelo>	i have no idea why changes that im makeing arent commiting
[16:42:04] <jevangelo>	im editing my main page, and i can't seem to get it to refresh to show the changes
[16:42:09] <jevangelo>	mabee its my database
[16:43:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give users the ability to edit their own edit summaries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10723  (10e.martinson)
[16:48:27] <_Danny_B_>	jevangelo: tried hard refresh?
[16:49:44] <_Danny_B_>	jevangelo: also try to purge. such as yourwiki.com/path/Main_page?action=purge
[16:50:56] <hownottobeseen>	on my wiki i've set the rights, that unknown users can't edit pages ($wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false) but how can i make possible that they can write on the talk-namespace?
[17:04:24] <Leftmost>	Has the MediaWiki RSA key changed recently?
[17:04:46] <Leftmost>	For SVN, that is.
[17:22:15] <TOR_CNR>	anybody ever got a completely blank recentchanges?
[17:22:40] <TOR_CNR>	i'm puzzled, since neither PHP nor apache report any errors
[17:26:07] <Dantman>	What's in the DB TOR?
[17:26:44] <brion-office>	yo
[17:26:52] <brion-office>	Leftmost: we moved the server a few weeks ago
[17:27:00] <brion-office>	that would have changed the host key, as mentioned at the time :)
[17:27:30] <Leftmost>	Ahh, I was without a computer briefly so I guess I missed that.
[17:27:37] <brion-office>	_Danny_B_: what about site_stats?
[17:27:49] <Leftmost>	Thanks. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't walking right into a MITM.
[17:27:50] <TOR_CNR>	Dantman: that's the thing - all the other stuff works perfectly well. S:newarticles, normal content, other special pages... :/
[17:28:05] <Dantman>	I mean in the RC table?
[17:28:26] <Dantman>	Is this a Special page not doing a SQL query right... or data entry from edits not being added.
[17:28:57] <Dantman>	Two completely seperate issues. First step is finding out which area the problem is in.
[17:29:52] <_Danny_B_>	brion: the site_stats table contains numbers which don't correspond to the real numbers, so i was wonder if you could update them manually (i ran the query and got more precisious results)
[17:30:20] <Mikeonline>	hi
[17:30:48] <TOR_CNR>	Dantman: the recentchanges table is full of records, of course
[17:31:27] <TOR_CNR>	nothing out of the ordinary
[17:31:56] <Dantman>	Ok... then hack in some debugging modifications to the special page to tell you what SQL query the page is executing. And run that query manually yourself to see if the issue is the SQL not working right, or the PHP code not using the data right.
[17:32:54] <Mikeonline>	Can i access with 2 different servers (1 MOD_PHP & 1 CGI PHP) to one wiki database in mysql? So if i change from one server over to the other the users dont get a downtime by providing 2 installations just by copying -r /wiki/* to the other server using one database at the same time?
[17:33:09] <Mikeonline>	It would be similiar to a loadbalancing situation by a round robin.
[17:34:06] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Give users the ability to edit their own edit summaries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10723  +comment (10brion)
[17:35:00] <x99>	yes
[17:35:12] <_Danny_B_>	brion: did you get my reply or you already been disconnected?
[17:35:49] <Mikeonline>	x99: was that 'yes' adressed to me?
[17:39:22] <Leftmost>	Out of curiosity: say a messages file is hopelessly mangled and out-of-date, but does include a large number of correct and useful translations. Is there a way to generate a new messages file for it based on some template and merge old messages in? I'm having trouble finding docs on this sort of thing.
[17:41:42] <brion-office>	_Danny_B_: nope didnt' see it
[17:41:50] <_Danny_B_>	brion: the site_stats table contains numbers which don't correspond to the real numbers, so i was wonder if you could update them manually (i ran the query and got more precisious results)
[17:42:06] <brion-office>	"the query" being?
[17:42:27] <_Danny_B_>	nope, article and page count
[17:43:01] <_Danny_B_>	i already filed bug about it anyway 10834
[17:43:55] <_Danny_B_>	i just asked because we are close to 75k now
[17:46:46] <_Danny_B_>	eg. english wikipedia has the number in site_stats about 20k different than real number
[17:47:01] <Adambro>	how would I go about getting import rights on mw?
[17:47:48] <_Danny_B_>	Adambro: sysops have import rights or you have to be in import group
[17:54:07] <Adambro>	is there an import group on mw, the list seems to be blank http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&username=&group=import&limit=50
[17:54:39] <Jack_Phoenix>	meh
[17:54:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	most of the people who are doing the imports have also sysop powers
[17:55:04] <Jack_Phoenix>	AFAIK, the import group is unused really
[17:55:28] <_Danny_B_>	right
[17:55:34] <Adambro>	is there a process for getting sysop on mw then?
[17:56:20] <Leftmost>	Hmm. No ideas on messages? IS there a template of some sort to work off of?
[17:57:22] <mutante>	hello
[17:59:08] <grahampage>	I'm writing an Extension Function and I want to be able to parse wiki text passed in, how do I do this?  $wgOut->parse($input); is providing some crazy output.
[18:03:55] <mutante>	http://jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=AlternateSyntaxParser ?
[18:13:41] <jimbojw>	grahampage: one of the params to your extension should be an instance of the running Parser - call this param $parser, then do $parser->recursiveTagParse( $text ) ... I think :)
[18:14:02] <grahampage>	ah, I will try that
[18:14:04] <grahampage>	Cool
[18:16:44] <grahampage>	wow, that worked perfectly, thank you!
[18:23:12] <grahampage>	Jim: Your embed video parser function works wonders, I appreciate it.
[18:25:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give users the ability to edit their own edit summaries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10723  (10e.martinson)
[18:33:55] <jimbojw>	np grahampage 
[18:34:44] <jimbojw>	does anyone know what happens when you $wgMessageCache->addMessages() for a message that's already been loaded? does the latter one overwrite?
[18:36:40] <jimbojw>	looks like the implementation in MessageCache::addMessages uses the array + operator to slurp in new overwriting keys
[18:37:14] <jimbojw>	nevermind - I take that back
[18:37:26] <jimbojw>	looks like it keeps existing messages over new ones
[18:46:39] <GBenemy>	How do I do a wiki link to a category? I tried [[Category:Tutorials|Tutorials]] but that just added the page to the Tutorials Category...
[18:49:05] <Adambro>	[[:Category:Tutorials]]
[18:49:10] <GBenemy>	ahh
[18:49:14] <GBenemy>	Thanks Adambro
[18:49:18] <Adambro>	np
[18:49:49] <GBenemy>	Also, How do do a link to Special:Newpages but on the Tutorials namespace....obviously I can just go to Special:Newpages and select Tutorials from the drop down list
[18:49:51] <GBenemy>	BUT
[18:49:54] <GBenemy>	i wanted it as a link
[18:50:02] <GBenemy>	i tried Special:Newpages/Tutorials
[18:50:05] <GBenemy>	that didn't work
[18:50:11] <Schroeder2>	GBenemy: what?
[18:50:22] <Schroeder2>	just link to Special:Newpages
[18:50:22] <GBenemy>	and I tried Special:Newpages/100 but that didn't work
[18:50:26] <GBenemy>	no
[18:50:29] <GBenemy>	but i want it
[18:50:41] <GBenemy>	to be Special:Newpages on a specific Namespace
[18:50:51] <GBenemy>	WITHOUT having to choose from the drop-down box once there
[18:50:51] <Schroeder2>	what, exactly, are you trying to do?
[18:51:09] <Leftmost>	GBenemy, I'm not sure that's possible.
[18:51:10] <Adambro>	I understand but I'm not sure
[18:51:17] <Schroeder2>	you can probably do it as a regular HTML link
[18:51:46] <Schroeder2>	err, no you can't
[18:51:48] <GBenemy>	yes but there's no extension
[18:51:50] <GBenemy>	like
[18:51:52] <GBenemy>	on
[18:51:54] <Schroeder2>	apparently, the drop-down box does it via POST rather than GET
[18:51:58] <Schroeder2>	so you can't link to it AT ALL
[18:51:59] <GBenemy>	Special:Recentchanges
[18:52:04] <GBenemy>	how you can do
[18:52:19] <GBenemy>	Special:Recentchanges/Namespace
[18:52:27] <GBenemy>	how come you can't do it with Special:Newpages
[18:52:37] <Leftmost>	GBenemy, because it's not coded to do that.
[18:52:38] <Schroeder2>	because it's handled differently internally
[18:52:52] <GBenemy>	<form method="post" action="/wiki/Special:Newpages"><table><tr><td align="right"><label for="namespace">Namespace:</label></td><td>
[18:52:54] <GBenemy>	<select id='namespace' name='namespace' class='namespaceselector'>
[18:53:02] <Schroeder2>	yes, like I said, it does it via POST
[18:53:06] <GBenemy>	yeah
[18:53:07] <Schroeder2>	so you can't link to it
[18:53:07] <Schroeder2>	period
[18:53:15] <GBenemy>	so I can't write a php script on my wiki
[18:53:30] <GBenemy>	saying post100
[18:53:35] <GBenemy>	or however you do it?
[18:53:42] <Adambro>	yes, that's possible
[18:53:45] <Leftmost>	You'd have to modify the MediaWIki code itself.
[18:53:50] <GBenemy>	hmm
[18:53:52] <GBenemy>	ok
[18:53:54] <Leftmost>	s/WI/Wi/
[18:54:08] <GBenemy>	how do I create a special page that will display new pages on a specific namespace
[18:54:15] <GBenemy>	if i copied the code of Special:Newpages
[18:54:26] <GBenemy>	and changed it for a specific namespace?
[18:54:29] <GBenemy>	yes? no?
[18:55:07] <Adambro>	I'm pretty new to mw but I think you could just write a script to POST the variables to special:newpages as opposed to having to do a whole new newpages
[18:56:01] <Leftmost>	You won't be able to do it with a link, however.
[18:56:28] <Adambro>	seems a bit odd that you can't specify a namespace for newpages
[19:02:45] <mutante>	if a wiki is installed in f.e. $document_root/w isnt it dangerous when people can open /w/bin/ and list its content while the webserver user has rights to execute ./w/bin/ulimit-tvf.sh
[19:04:25] <mutante>	does mediawiki even come with a /bin/ subdir.. waaah
[19:07:27] <GBenemy>	Where can I find a list of all the MediaWiki: pages?
[19:07:51] <Raymond_>	GBenemy: [[Special:Allmessages]]
[19:08:38] <GBenemy>	ah Thanks :D
[19:09:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow logged in user to reclaim previous anon edits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10957  (10robchur)
[19:09:14] <GBenemy>	How come it's not listed in Special:Specialpages
[19:11:47] <robchurch>	wikibugs, if you continue to spam me with repeat emails, I am going to cut your balls off.
[19:13:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Need AM or PM in time zone information in preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5649  (10robchur)
[19:16:12] <Leftmost>	Does anyone know of a way to take some form of template and create a messages file from it for one's language? And if so, would it be possible to automatically merge in an old messages file?
[19:19:23] <Adambro_>	robchurch: How would I go about getting sysop on mw for importing pages from meta?
[19:19:39] <robchurch>	There's still unimported stuff? Sheesh.
[19:19:44] <Adambro>	loads!
[19:19:59] <robchurch>	[a] Tell me what you what to import [b] Sign my talk page on MediaWiki.org and show me who you are somewhere else
[19:22:36] <Adambro>	I don't have any particular pages in mind, the intention is to work through the backlog. I'm an admin on enwiki and commons, shall I confirm Adambro on mw to be the same by leaving a note on my enwiki and commons talk pages?
[19:23:16] <robchurch>	Please.
[19:23:32] <Adambro>	k, I'll give you the diffs in a second
[19:23:42] <robchurch>	Be a bit careful about what you're actually importing; there's a lot of absolute crap on Meta that just needs to be deleted and rewritten from scratch on MediaWiki.org.
[19:23:55] <Adambro>	yes, sure
[19:26:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MediaWiki: Ipadressorusername renders incorrectly non-breaking space - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10962 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (le.korrigan)
[19:27:22] <Adambro>	robchurch: On Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAdambro&diff=7063779&oldid=6753684 and on enwiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAdambro&diff=151663187&oldid=151236089
[19:33:19] <jevangelo>	when i edit my main wiki page, it doesn't commit the changes
[19:33:36] <jevangelo>	even when im admin
[19:37:00] <jevangelo>	why does it do that
[19:40:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVN problem with pywikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10953  (10ssanbeg)
[19:41:27] <dislo>	hey guys so i locked myself out of a wiki how can i get back in
[19:42:13] <Adambro>	I think you'll have to log into your database, I can't remember the method beyond that
[19:42:20] <Adambro>	think it is in the FAQ
[19:42:56] <dislo>	Adambro, thanks i will look around for itr
[19:43:01] <dislo>	it*
[19:43:08] <Adambro>	think this might be relevant :http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_reset_a_password.3F
[19:43:12] <jevangelo>	what would be causing the front page not to commit changes?  does it take a long time for something to register?
[19:49:40] <dislo>	Adambro, ok that was what i was looking for but where is that php script
[19:50:32] <Adambro>	maintenance folder it says
[19:52:18] <dislo>	alright and that is in the www directory right
[19:52:39] <Adambro>	wherever you installed mw
[20:10:55] <robchurch>	jevangelo: Public wiki?
[20:14:21] <robchurch>	Adambro_: Done.
[20:22:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give users the ability to edit their own edit summaries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10723  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[20:26:46] <Ace_NoOne>	hey guys - I have created an MW skin from scratch, but I'm having trouble with the content styles
[20:27:14] <Ace_NoOne>	monobook seems to be a mess (no offense); is there a list of "entities" I need to style (e.g. TOCs etc.)
[20:27:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	MonoBook is a mess ^_^
[20:29:21] <Mikeonline>	ah rob is here :)
[20:37:28] <CIA-1>	03kim * r24858 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/performance.cgi: Performance tracking
[20:40:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki redirects are listed in Special:BrokenRedirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9237  minor->normal; summary (10robchur)
[20:41:45] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r24859 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialBrokenRedirects.php): 
[20:41:46] <CIA-1>	(bug 7890) Don't list redirects to special pages in Special:BrokenRedirects
[20:41:46] <CIA-1>	There could be some issues here, since a redirect to a special page that doesn't exist *is* "broken", but I don't think we have a clear, clean means of excluding these at present...
[20:41:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple "magic words" for links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10956  (10eep)
[20:42:24] <Adambro>	such redirects should be changed to soft redirects in my opinion 
[20:42:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special: BrokenRedirects links deleted redirects to a non-existent page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7890  +comment (10robchur)
[20:43:56] <robchurch>	mmm
[20:44:49] <robchurch>	The issue with that is that a special page is considered to have control of the entire OutputPage, so if it wants to, it can obliterate the subtitle.
[20:45:04] <robchurch>	I suppose this can be addressed in a straightforward fashion.
[20:50:04] <SuperBusinessman>	what do you think the price of mediawiki could be if it's a commercial product?
[20:51:10] <Jack_Phoenix>	MediaWiki *isn't* commercial - that's the point ^_^
[20:52:46] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r24860 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/delete-idle-wiki-users.pl: Ditch this; uses old schema, redundant to deleteUnusedAccounts.php
[20:53:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Requesting a new custom namespace to Lithuanian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10960  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:53:59] <Ace_NoOne>	SuperBusinessman: hundreds of thousands
[20:54:39] <Dantman>	^_^ with the number of '2 cents' people have given it... I think more...
[20:54:46] <Ace_NoOne>	lol!!
[20:54:48] <SuperBusinessman>	Ace_NoOne heh
[20:54:57] <SuperBusinessman>	just want to collect some information for reference
[20:55:06] <Ace_NoOne>	actually, SuperBusinessman - take a look at SocialText to see what a (less feature-rich) wiki engine costs
[20:55:11] <SuperBusinessman>	how about ordinary open source apps?
[20:55:27] <Ace_NoOne>	reference for what?
[20:55:44] <SuperBusinessman>	for setting price of commercial products
[20:55:45] <Ace_NoOne>	and there are about a gazillion + 1 different OSS apps - how could you generalize there
[20:56:01] <Dantman>	^_^ Open Source apps are just that... Open... you can't really put a price on them unless you're hiring someone to code one.
[20:56:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple "magic words" for links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10956  (10robchur)
[20:56:49] <SuperBusinessman>	some of them release double licenses
[20:57:15] <Leftmost>	Dantman, you can seel open source. You just can't prevent people from distributing it.
[20:59:27] <robchurch>	Open source/free software projects have varying values; usually, people attach a lot more than just an average monetary value to them. As a product, they're typically worthless, since you don't sell the licence in the same exclusive manner that most commercial software does.
[20:59:55] <robchurch>	However, people are more likely to attach a value to the human investment; the experience, the emotional value, the comparative, market value of the time invested.
[21:00:36] <robchurch>	A project like MediaWiki has taken a long time to be developed, a lot of effort put into it, and a lot of time, which is worth quite a bit. And people much cleverer than me with more letters after their names debate just why we effectively give this away for free.
[21:01:52] <Ace_NoOne>	heh
[21:03:06] <mutante>	Richard Stallman tells us to boycott Harry Potter :p http://www.stallman.org/harry-potter.html
[21:03:41] <robchurch>	Richard Stallman's just pissy 'cos he dies in book seven.
[21:03:57] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Create Bengali Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10907  +comment (10kmba2017)
[21:04:04] <greudin>	mutante, ^^
[21:04:24] <robchurch>	Chapter Six. He trips over and gets knocked out by his own ego, and then emacs falls off a shelf and delivers the fatal blow to the skull.
[21:04:59] <SuperBusinessman>	socialtext doens't show prices :(
[21:05:20] *greudin 	added rms rss feed to its netvibe page
[21:05:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Bengali Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10907  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[21:05:45] <CIA-1>	03kim * r24861 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/performance.cgi: Now works (not pretty, but usable)
[21:06:38] <Ace_NoOne>	hah rob
[21:07:48] <SuperBusinessman>	why doesn't mediawiki release double licenses? GPL and a closed license
[21:08:01] <robchurch>	Why bother?
[21:08:14] <SuperBusinessman>	?
[21:08:26] <robchurch>	Why bother dual-licencing it?
[21:08:36] <brion-office>	a closed license is unnecessary and worthless
[21:08:40] <robchurch>	\o/
[21:09:00] <brion-office>	if we wanted additional revenue from mediawiki, we'd just start doing customization and support on a contract model
[21:09:39] <robchurch>	For my part, I don't really care who uses any code I write, as long as they credit me. I don't care if you're two guys starting a business in a garage, a personal web site, a non-profit organisation, a multi-million dollar corporation
[21:09:47] <robchurch>	or an ex smut-peddler turned encyclopedian
[21:10:10] <robchurch>	I have my money-making code, and my "giving back" code.
[21:10:17] <robchurch>	brion-office: Sounds like a plan.
[21:10:36] <Ace_NoOne>	robchurch: wait, you do more than entertain us here?
[21:10:45] <robchurch>	I have my moments.
[21:10:58] <Ace_NoOne>	heh
[21:11:25] <robchurch>	Heh, I'd forgotten namespaceDupes.php actually prints "Looks good!".
[21:11:43] <robchurch>	I always thought it was something brion tacked on to the end of comments on bug reports because he's a cheery Californian bloke.
[21:12:17] <brion-office>	duuuuude
[21:12:27] *Ace_NoOne 	imagines brion on a surf boardf
[21:12:29] <Ace_NoOne>	*board
[21:12:33] <Dantman>	rofl
[21:12:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) change logo for Yiddish Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10423  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:13:03] <robchurch>	Totally. Bleached hair, surf board, shades, all the gear.
[21:13:10] <robchurch>	Waterproof Macbook.
[21:13:19] <Dantman>	rofl
[21:13:24] <Ace_NoOne>	oh boy
[21:13:30] <Ace_NoOne>	this might go PG
[21:13:34] <SuperBusinessman>	i see...
[21:13:37] <Dantman>	Waterproof wireless internet...
[21:13:38] <SuperBusinessman>	all for interest?
[21:13:40] <brion-office>	>_<
[21:13:54] <robchurch>	brion could totally pull off the surfer look
[21:13:56] <Ace_NoOne>	Dantman: that's where The Tubes come into play
[21:14:02] <Dantman>	rofl
[21:14:20] <brion-office>	SuperBusinessman: mediawiki is a means to an end for us -- it allows us to run our business (Wikipedia et al)
[21:14:48] <SuperBusinessman>	brion um...how?
[21:14:57] <ThomasV>	hello.. are there plans to integrate pdf support in mediawiki ?
[21:15:54] <ThomasV>	i mean : the ability to read pdf files, like it exists for djvu
[21:16:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  +comment (10alefzet)
[21:16:10] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  (10alefzet)
[21:17:26] <SuperBusinessman>	not offending...but don't mediawiki try to include business in it?
[21:17:33] <SuperBusinessman>	*why don't
[21:18:03] <Ace_NoOne>	SuperBusinessman: no
[21:18:14] <Ace_NoOne>	they are primarily gearing towards Wikipedia and related projects
[21:18:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) change logo for Yiddish Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10423  (10jeo100)
[21:18:23] <Ace_NoOne>	everything else is just a byproduct
[21:19:17] <SuperBusinessman>	Ace_NoOne they are very rich?
[21:19:30] <Ace_NoOne>	SuperBusinessman: you don't get the idea of open-source software
[21:19:46] <Ace_NoOne>	they are not trying to sell a product
[21:19:54] <Ace_NoOne>	they just release the software to their projects for free
[21:20:10] <Ace_NoOne>	and have the community help in improving the software
[21:20:15] <Dantman>	Consider it a community based on Reputation and Honour.
[21:20:32] <Ace_NoOne>	don't lie, Dantman :P
[21:20:45] <brion-office>	ThomasV: a number of third-party extensions doing various things
[21:20:45] <Ace_NoOne>	we're all just here for the pr0n, really
[21:21:25] <SuperBusinessman>	:D
[21:21:39] <SuperBusinessman>	wiki4pr0n
[21:21:47] <Dantman>	The more things you make, and the more usable you make them the more you're noticed. And it's a general bit of contributing to a project cause other people contribute to other projects that you use in turn.
[21:22:29] <Ace_NoOne>	don't forget the pure fun; True Geeks(tm) enjoy coding
[21:22:42] <Ace_NoOne>	(as long as it's not Visual Basic)
[21:22:48] <Dantman>	^_^ of course... that's why this ot much like a Hobby
[21:22:51] <brion-office>	you can tell how much we enjoy it by how many curse words come out of our mouths while debugging
[21:22:56] <Dantman>	rofl
[21:24:29] <Ace_NoOne>	hah
[21:24:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update to the Spanish translation for CategoryTree - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10839   +patch (10mgrojo)
[21:25:08] <ThomasV>	brion-office: I've seen the one in bug 6288. but it's a patch not an extension...
[21:25:22] <brion-office>	well i'm sure there's both ;)
[21:25:27] <brion-office>	i'm not totally up on what's about
[21:25:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Warn on creating of double redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10963 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (danny_b)
[21:25:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Portal namespace for Ukrainian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10427  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:26:19] <ThomasV>	I find it strange that there is support for djvu and not for pdf
[21:27:36] *Dantman 	wonders if he should convert his shared database mods into a proper patch.
[21:28:54] <SuperBusinessman>	i see...
[21:29:08] <brion-office>	ThomasV: oh, you mean for inline viewing of uploaded pdf files?
[21:29:12] <brion-office>	that's something rather different :)
[21:29:21] <brion-office>	usually people want export-to-pdf
[21:29:24] <ThomasV>	yes that's what i mean
[21:29:28] <Solifugus>	to upgrade from old versions, do i just need to install the new front-end and point to the same old database?
[21:29:35] <brion-office>	yeahi just haven't got round to it
[21:29:44] <brion-office>	dunno how much progress anyone else's made recently
[21:29:52] <ThomasV>	a german guy just wrote a patch for that, similar to the one in that bug
[21:30:02] <brion-office>	Solifugus: usually that's the case yeah; check the release notes for details :)
[21:30:29] <CIA-1>	03raymond * r24862 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.i18n.es.php: (bug 10839) Update to the Spanish translation for CategoryTree
[21:31:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update to the Spanish translation for CategoryTree - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10839  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:32:05] <ThomasV>	brion: I was wondering if the reason could be that pdf is not a free format
[21:32:13] <Solifugus>	brion-office: do u think it's safe to setup a new install of the front-end and just point to the production backend, to see if it works?  Or could it cause data corruption?
[21:33:25] <robchurch>	The new code requires the old database to undergo schema changes, most of the time.
[21:34:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Bengali Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10907  (10robchur)
[21:34:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change path to Low Saxon Wikipedia logo (now moved to Commons) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10465  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:36:12] <brion-office>	ThomasV: more than we just ain't got round to it :)
[21:36:40] <brion-office>	Solifugus: it's possible to corrupt caches that way depending on your settings, but you can clear that out pretty easily i guess :)
[21:37:16] <brion-office>	schema changes are usually backwards-compatible more or less, though occasionally not
[21:37:18] <CIA-1>	03raymond * r24863 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_cn.php MessagesKk_kz.php MessagesKk_tr.php): 
[21:37:18] <CIA-1>	* (bug 10367) Update Kazakh translations
[21:37:18] <CIA-1>	 Patch by AlefZet
[21:37:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:38:29] <ThomasV>	brion: what do you mean? 
[21:46:41] <Solifugus>	brion-office: we need to migrate up from a very old version
[21:47:12] <brion-office>	ThomasV: pdf is a very widely supported format, i don't envisage terrible problems getting page metadata and rendering :)
[21:47:16] <brion-office>	just we haven't gotten around to it
[21:47:28] <brion-office>	whereas people were pushing for djvu and it got done
[21:47:48] <brion-office>	Solifugus: might be wise to make a duplicate database and test on it first :)
[21:47:55] <ThomasV>	brion-office: do you mind if i add it as an extension?
[21:47:55] <brion-office>	and back up, back up, back up :D
[21:48:01] <brion-office>	ThomasV: sure if you like
[21:48:06] <ThomasV>	ok
[21:48:14] <brion-office>	iwth the new file repo code probably that's the simplest way mebbe
[21:49:25] <robchurch>	Gross.
[21:49:43] <robchurch>	Our handling of redirects is, just, horrible.
[21:50:32] <robchurch>	It doesn't help that the MediaWiki class does a bit of to-and-froing when initialising things.
[21:53:35] <Leftmost>	Is there perhaps a guide to managing localizations?
[21:56:19] <Dantman>	rpbchurch: Did that email give you enough information about the plans for the Extension Manager, or do you want more specs? I've got a spec for the extensions.xml file.
[21:56:20] <Raymond_>	Leftmost: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_localisation
[21:56:25] <Dantman>	robchurch*
[21:56:42] *robchurch 	shrugs
[21:57:17] <robchurch>	I don't agree with having an extension that attempts to fetch extensions; that'll cause all sorts of permissions problems for those it's attempting to help.
[21:57:37] <robchurch>	We need something similar to that of WordPress; drop the extension in the directory, navigate to the appropriate page, click an "activate" link.
[21:57:39] <Leftmost>	Hmm. Raymond_, the primary problem I'm having is that it looks like there are a lot of messages missing from the file for my language. I'd like to clean it up and I'm wondering if there's a way to merge the current messages into a template of some sort.
[21:58:33] <robchurch>	This means extensions only need to provide a few pieces of metadata - title, author, version, "more info" URL, and some simple information about, e.g. database alterations to be made.
[21:58:36] <Leftmost>	Doesn't seem to be covered in that guide.
[21:58:47] <Raymond_>	Leftmost: why not editing the language file (and submitting a patch to us)?
[21:58:58] <Raymond_>	Leftmost: which language do you mean?
[21:59:16] <Dantman>	Well... I got most Ideas from that... But unlike WordPress MediaWiki attemps to keep as much configuration as possible out of the database.
[21:59:30] <robchurch>	None of the configuration *needs* to be in the database.
[21:59:35] <Leftmost>	Not missing as in untranslated but missing as in I can't find them in the file. The language is ga
[21:59:43] <Leftmost>	(Irish)
[22:00:20] <Dantman>	The extension manager works for drop in's to.
[22:00:30] <robchurch>	You could, in fact, maintain a custom structure which tracks what's available, what's installed, etc. and then serialize and save this file.
[22:01:09] <robchurch>	Initialisation would be a simple matter of opening it up, reading the structure and seeing what's what. You can pop this into the object cache, if available, to speed things up a bit.
[22:01:26] <Raymond_>	Leftmost: you have to add the missing keywords and translations to the MessagesGa.php
[22:01:56] <CIA-1>	03brion * r24864 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuthUser.php SpecialMergeAccount.php): 
[22:01:57] <CIA-1>	Implement a couple of migration improvements suggested in wikitech-l discussions:
[22:01:57] <CIA-1>	* Only use e-mail to verify other accounts when the account we got it from has verified it
[22:01:57] <CIA-1>	* List the merge method in the pre-merge list
[22:01:57] <CIA-1>	** FIXME -- needs localization and pretty UI; currently just spitting out the internal key strings ('primary', 'mail', 'password', etc)
[22:02:03] <Leftmost>	Yes, I know. I'm wondering if there's an automated way to do so.
[22:02:04] <robchurch>	I think what Leftmost is asking for is to be able to take the existing translated strings, merge them with the untranslated strings, and then dump the lot back into MessagesGa.php to make it simpler to translate in place.
[22:02:04] <brion-office>	there, now i feel productive today
[22:02:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) change logo for Yiddish Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10423  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:02:21] <robchurch>	I get the impression that MessagesGa.php doesn't contain the untranslated strings, making it hard to do this.
[22:02:25] <brion_away>	gnight
[22:02:29] <robchurch>	o/
[22:03:18] <Dantman>	robchurch: What about disabling extensions without the use of the SpecialPage when one causes a PHP error?
[22:03:45] <robchurch>	Dantman: The answer to that is not to rely solely on a special page; provide a fallback manager.
[22:03:59] <robchurch>	Or you could have some custom list of files to include.
[22:05:15] <Dantman>	My idea was a little similar to WordPress's... Use the last modified timestamp. If something breaks, resave the extension.xml to disable it?
[22:05:56] <robchurch>	I don't see how that works. Use the last modified timestamp for what?
[22:06:10] <robchurch>	Why does it need to be XML? XML is a lousy storage format.
[22:06:22] <Dantman>	Got another format?
[22:06:33] <robchurch>	INI file format would work fine
[22:06:53] <Dantman>	multiple of the same key?
[22:07:00] <robchurch>	Why do you need that?
[22:07:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) change logo for Yiddish Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10423  (10jeo100)
[22:07:19] <robchurch>	Why do you need a complex document structure to hold some very basic information about an extension?
[22:09:57] <Dantman>	Some of it's basic, but the extension is for both sides. Those that want to drop an extension in an enable it. And those that don't want to touch cli. Some of the data isn't easy to get without telling an extension developer "You need to place this file here or it won't work"
[22:11:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable Patrolled Edits on Norwegian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10486  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:11:44] <Dantman>	There isn't one single style in making MediaWiki Extensions like there is with WordPress extensions, so I tried to keep the Managers stuff as far away from the various differences in extension files.
[22:20:32] <Dantman>	But I will consider moving the stuff from .mwext/.build into a central location.
[22:21:59] <Dantman>	As for my initial issue with XML, I actually found a nice PHPXPath project on Sourceforge.
[22:22:51] <Dantman>	Using it I can make it so that even if I change the format of the XML file in a later version for more requested features. Extensions using old formats will still work with newer versions.
[22:23:53] <Chupa>	Question: im trying to think of a way to make a page on my wiki that just lists snipits of text from other pages on my wiki. IE. each page on my wiki has an updates section where i post updates on the project, this page would list all of them from all pages on the site
[22:24:00] <Chupa>	is this possible?
[22:24:01] <Leftmost>	So is there any way to merge the new messages in? There appear to be 640 missing and I don't fancy adding them manually.
[22:27:02] <Raymond_>	Leftmost: maybe you can do it via Betawiki: http://nike.users.idler.fi/betawiki/Etusivu
[22:29:12] <Solifugus>	Question: do recent versions of media wiki support athentication by group in an LDAP directory? 
[22:29:43] <Raymond_>	Solifugus: via an extension
[22:37:29] <x99>	my wiki seems to be saving some thumbnails but not others. in particular, i suspect it is saving "thumb" but not simply framed images?
[22:37:41] <x99>	(where there is a resolution change)
[22:37:47] <x99>	Anyone seen this bevhaior?
[22:38:11] <x99>	(1.10)
[22:39:31] <Raymond_>	x99: "framed" show the image full size, without any scaling
[22:40:45] <x99>	raymond: yes, but there's |500px| etc
[22:41:03] <Raymond_>	x99: it's ignored for "framed"
[22:41:43] <x99>	and no |frame| in some cases.
[22:41:44] <CIA-1>	03rainman * r24865 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/ (20 files in 9 dirs): 
[22:41:44] <CIA-1>	More work in progress:
[22:41:44] <CIA-1>	* Move to a cleaner database schema: page, related tables
[22:41:44] <CIA-1>	* Store/fetch related info (mysql)
[22:41:44] <CIA-1>	* Prepare ground to add related info into index
[22:41:45] <CIA-1>	* Refactored the related calculation
[22:42:48] <x99>	They take a long time (about 5 seconds) to load once the cache expires.
[22:43:07] <Raymond_>	x99: "frame", "framed" and "enframed" are all the same
[22:45:44] <Scooters>	Is it possible to set page edit rights on users level instead of grouplevel??
[22:46:14] <Chupa>	is there a way to transclude just a section of a page?
[22:46:52] <x99>	{{:Page#section}} ?
[22:47:04] <Chupa>	dident seem to work
[22:47:07] <Chupa>	still gives me everything
[22:47:16] <x99>	You can use dpl.
[22:47:42] <Chupa>	what is that?
[22:47:51] <x99>	Dynamic Page List
[22:48:02] <Chupa>	mmka
[22:48:03] <Chupa>	y
[22:48:09] <x99>	it's the most useful extension.
[22:48:15] <Raymond_>	Chupa: or LST - label section transclusion. it's used on wikisource
[22:48:35] <Chupa>	which would you reccomend of the 2?
[22:49:02] <robchurch>	Labelled Section Transclusion.
[22:49:16] <Jacroe>	What's the flower that I always see in the background?
[22:49:17] <x99>	DPL does a lot of other things.
[22:49:31] <x99>	It's a sunflower.
[22:49:39] <Scooters>	Is it possible to set page edit rights on users level instead of grouplevel??
[22:49:44] <x99>	Or a marigold.
[22:50:12] <Jacroe>	What's the location of the image?
[22:50:42] <x99>	See the FAQ
[22:51:31] <Scooters>	Jacroe do you know the answer to my question, maybe ?
[22:51:56] <Jacroe>	What's the question?
[22:52:08] <Scooters>	Is it possible to set page edit rights on users level instead of grouplevel??
[22:52:20] <x99>	why would you want to?
[22:52:35] <x99>	just create a group for people you want/dont wat to have access to that page
[22:52:48] <Scooters>	becuase we have a wiki for a game manual
[22:53:13] <Jacroe>	I believe it is. ScribbleWiki supposed to be implementing something like that soon. 
[22:53:13] <Scooters>	and we only want to allow translators to be able to edit the page of their language
[22:53:49] <Scooters>	so the alternative is creating a new group
[22:53:55] <x99>	so just create a group for each language
[22:54:13] <Scooters>	ok, tnx
[22:54:23] <x99>	but i recommend trusting people more
[22:54:46] <x99>	people can always undo the changes
[22:55:13] <Scooters>	well x99, it's an official game manual
[22:55:19] <Scooters>	and we (crew)
[22:55:35] <Scooters>	dont want people f*cking it up just to have fun
[22:56:27] <Scooters>	with 200000 users worldwide, i am sure there is at least one that will make a mess of it if we enable editing by all users
[22:57:02] <x99>	how many users do you think wikipedia has?
[22:58:21] <x99>	if you permit translators to edit at all, then seperating them by language, assuming you have 10 languages, only reduces editing ability by 1/10th and they can still fuck up their own language...
[22:58:51] <x99>	where of course, the motivation is a lot higher
[23:02:08] <Scooters>	x99: i understand what you say about the ammount of users in wikipedia
[23:02:17] <Jacroe>	How does wikipedia have a "From wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" on every page?
[23:02:37] <Scooters>	but the difference is that we use it as an official game manual
[23:04:07] <Scooters>	anyway, i want to thank you for the information
[23:04:10] <Scooters>	cya
[23:08:28] <CIA-1>	03david * r24866 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (58 files in 10 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:08:28] <CIA-1>	Merged revisions 24755-24865 via svnmerge from
[23:08:28] <CIA-1>	svn+ssh://david@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3
[23:08:28] <CIA-1>	........
[23:08:28] <CIA-1>	 r24756 | robchurch | 2007-08-13 12:49:05 -0700 (Mon, 13 Aug 2007) | 1 line
[23:08:28] <CIA-1>	 Tweak comment to be clearer these are rights, not groups
[23:08:30] <CIA-1>	........
[23:10:50] <jevangelo>	does the spellcheck extension check spelling on the fly?
[23:16:56] <jevangelo>	dude, noone ever answers me....
[23:17:00] <jevangelo>	hah
[23:24:58] <robchurch>	Socks.
[23:38:41] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: what is the reason that redirect table isn't completely populated? was there any error during population?
[23:38:54] <robchurch>	I don't think the script was ever run.
[23:39:01] <robchurch>	There's an open bug requesting it.
[23:39:13] <_Danny_B_>	looks like it was but didn't end up
[23:39:48] <_Danny_B_>	i wonder if checking for existence in redirect table is faster than in page table
[23:44:21] <Mikeonline>	bye all
[23:47:10] <_Danny_B_>	any idea when 1.11.0 will be released? mw says mid august after wikimania...
[23:51:12] <robchurch>	When brion has time.
[23:51:36] <robchurch>	You might not have noticed, but he's under a wee bit of pressure to complete CentralAuth, among other things.
[23:58:55] <robchurch>	"In Taipei Wikimania has accrued like planed."
[23:58:57] <_Danny_B_>	i did. that's actually why i asked. trying to point to the fact it might be good idea to rewrite the info saying latter term
[23:59:03] *robchurch 	frowns
[23:59:48] <_Danny_B_>	on me or on that quotation?
[23:59:56] <robchurch>	The quotation.