isnt it [10:29:18] http://mwiki.miotd.com/wiki/Main_Page [10:29:21] for those wanting to see [10:29:55] 03(mod) Preference section index links point to non-existent anchor names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9515 (10delirium-wiki) [10:32:04] wait [10:32:06] there it goes [10:32:08] mwhahaha [10:38:15] hmm [10:38:22] hey Kalan, TheFearow [10:38:39] is there a MediaWiki page I can add footer items with? [10:38:40] Hey [10:38:45] or do I have to edit the skin manually for that [10:39:03] You can try looking through [[Special:Allmessages]], which lists the various on-wiki customisable pages [10:54:12] nope [10:54:16] at least, nothing obvious [11:01:55] wait [11:02:00] something is still wrong here [11:02:17] how does wp change the 'article' tab to 'main page' [11:03:06] excuse me... where i can find a mediawiki hel chan? [11:03:10] *help [11:04:44] i have to duplicate a mediawiki installation ... how can i do it? [11:08:28] depends on what sort of duplication [11:13:32] TimStarling: i have a wiki in english in ../en/ . i have to duplicate the wole wiki (software and contents) in the ../it/ directory , so that i can translate all in italian [11:14:51] use mysqldump to copy the database, and copy the directory as well [11:15:07] then change LocalSettings.php in the new it directory, so that $wgDBname is pointing to the new database [11:16:33] hello [11:16:40] could I ask a question? [11:16:42] TimStarling: permalink are updated too in this way? [11:17:24] well, any references to the old wiki you see in the new LocalSettings.php, you will have to change [11:17:53] I had a website, and due regulations of law I had to stop the site, but I want an archive for myself in HTML so I can review it on the CD [11:18:00] the parser cache should be taken care of automatically [11:18:05] is that easy possible with a script or something? [11:18:12] TimStarling: ok.... thank [11:18:27] TimStarling: thanks a lot! :D have a ggod day [11:18:31] *good [11:19:11] KevinOss: what sort of access do you have to the server? [11:19:57] eh how do you mean, i have a hosting account with FTP, MySQL access [11:21:49] What is memcached? [11:22:50] KevinOss: what version of mysql [11:22:51] ? [11:23:03] uhmm [11:23:05] let's take a look [11:24:34] regulations... of law? [11:24:35] SUE! [11:25:21] lol [11:25:29] long story [11:25:31] not real law [11:25:33] more of my school :P [11:25:47] are you in the US? [11:26:23] no i'm from NL [11:27:01] ahh [11:27:04] you're in the wrong country [11:27:13] and I also doubt a school in the NL can tell you you cant have a website [11:27:15] thus, sue. [11:27:15] let's take a look [11:27:20] MySQL 4.1.22 [11:27:58] I *think* mysqldump would probably work... [11:28:09] hmm ok [11:28:20] is it only in english? [11:28:20] well [11:28:22] but there's not a script that you can convert all articles to seperate html pages [11:28:25] you can always use xml dump as well [11:28:38] KevinOss: wget --mirror [11:28:47] yes, but you'd need shell access, do you have that? [11:29:18] no, a shame I have not access to the server [11:29:20] virtual hosting [11:30:25] isn't wifi great? [11:30:28] :P [11:30:40] on my PS3 it works better than on my laptop [11:30:48] the wifi [11:31:03] but hmm then I need a dump [11:31:25] if you use wget like Diablo-D3 suggests, it would be difficult to get it back into wiki form [11:31:41] well, he wants to view it offline [11:31:53] you'd need both an sql dumb and a html dump [11:31:54] you could ask your hosting provider for a dump, they're probably accustomed to getting requests like that, so they should know what to do [11:32:02] no, just SQL [11:32:12] then you can set up mediawiki at home, import the dump, and view the wiki [11:32:13] well, unless he wants to run a local installation of wikipedia [11:32:17] which is sorta retarded [11:32:25] ok I only need the HTML anyway [11:32:26] why is it retarded? [11:32:28] especially if hes going to a 'school' who dislikes 'rights' [11:32:58] I've got about a dozen local mediawiki installations, they're not hard to set up [11:33:09] so you couldn't do a HTML dump manually? [11:33:16] without shell access [11:33:26] you could use wget [11:33:31] KevinOss: you can do html dump anywhere in the world. [11:33:42] TimStarling: yeah, apt-get install whatever apache2 [11:34:54] ok but the thing is then I got to do 500 times Control+S to save pages [11:35:01] how could I do it fast then [11:35:07] that I can view it on a CD [11:35:10] in HTML [11:35:15] KevinOss: wget --mirror ! [11:35:22] I swear people don't listen to me. [11:35:37] lol ok [11:35:41] is wget a script or something [11:35:58] its a program [11:36:01] I see [11:36:02] it has nothing to do with mediawiki [11:36:07] ok [11:36:07] wget --mirror can mirror any site [11:36:15] 03(NEW) Please lock Yi Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10970 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (triyork) [11:36:32] let's give it a try [11:37:25] bbl [11:47:07] what's the export folder [11:47:10] of Wget? [11:49:23] KevinOss: the name of the website's domain [11:52:37] but I can't find it, is it saving in the file folder of wget? [11:52:48] yes [11:52:56] well, possibly [11:53:00] it saves in the dir you started it in [11:53:57] ok [11:53:59] yes I found it [11:54:05] ok this is what I mean [11:54:10] but he copies only the index [11:54:19] what's the command of copying all he can find on the page? [11:54:27] wait until its done [11:54:30] --mirror takes awhile [11:54:44] ok wget --mirror URL [11:54:45] right [11:55:05] yes [11:55:18] it /may/ miss a few things, but it shouldnt [11:55:32] hmmm but he's copying 2 files only [11:55:33] strange [11:55:52] only the index of the wikipedia start page [11:57:53] maybe it works if there's a listing of all articles, is there one (standard)? [11:58:36] hmm I found one, he's with links on the page still copying only 1 page [12:04:01] hey there. i was wondering if there is a formal way of referencing images or equations inline with text? [12:04:43] i have the Cite.php extension and its pretty cool for external referencing, but doing anything internally on a page seems pretty difficult! [12:05:37] KevinOss: is there a lot of other directories in that directory after wget --mirror is done? [12:06:21] no [12:06:25] meh [12:06:26] only index.php [12:06:29] with robots.txt [12:06:33] heh [12:06:38] very strange [12:06:44] I bet the robots.txt is preventing it [12:06:55] wget --mirror obeys robots.txt [12:07:07] hmm ok that could be true [12:07:12] lets delete it [12:07:33] you have to delete it remotely however [12:07:37] and I doubt thats the only defense. [12:07:54] ok [12:08:35] it's working now I think [12:08:36] much lines [12:08:50] :))) [12:08:53] yeah, now its following all the links and copying them [12:09:14] HAHAHA OH WOW [12:09:34] I figured out how wikipedia is turning the article tab into the main page tab [12:10:01] a slab of javascript in Common.js, and its only on wikipedia and not in generic mediawiki installations [12:11:34] 03(mod) Need a new Magic Word for Wiki projects with variants - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10964 summary; +comment (10shinjiman) [12:11:35] 03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preferance - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837 (10shinjiman) [12:16:05] 03(NEW) aufrom parameter doesn't work with spaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10971 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: API; (anaconda) [12:18:32] 03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preferance - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837 normal->major; +comment (10shinjiman) [12:21:50] 03(mod) Multiple "magic words" for links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 (10robchur) [12:23:29] 03(mod) Upgrade to the latest version of GeSHi (1.0.7.20) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10967 +shell; summary (10robchur) [12:25:30] 14(INVALID) Not all extension-specific special pages show in Special: Version - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10968 +comment (10robchur) [12:27:17] I have searched high and low but I can not find how to verify my mediawiki site with google webmaster. Anyone here knows? [12:27:18] 03(mod) Magic word to expose user's language variant preference - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10964 summary (10robchur) [12:27:18] 04(REOPENED) Closing of Herero Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10690 +comment (10triyork) [12:31:47] hi. trying to install mediawiki on a server with pgsql. the server is up, I can connect using pgAdmin, the tcp port is active and listening on all interfaces (127.0.0.1 and 192.168.x.x), but mediawiki 1.9.3 installation thingy says "Couldn't connect to database" when I supply the same login info. [12:34:29] 03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preferance - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837 major->normal; +comment (10robchur) [12:36:59] 03(mod) Multiple "magic words" for links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 (10eep) [12:39:07] ah, never mind. I just had to create the database. I thought the installer did that itself. :) [12:40:05] 03(mod) Multiple "magic words" for links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 (10robchur) [12:41:17] 03(mod) Not all extension-specific special pages show in Special: Version - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10968 (10eep) [12:42:25] what is 'schema for tsearch2'? [12:43:35] *robchurch sighs [12:46:00] Good morning! I have a question about an error I'm getting trying to install an extension. Now I know, most times you can't help directly with the extension specifics, but it's causing a weird error in localsettings, so hoping someone can have a gander and give me at least a clue... [12:51:40] Here's my localsettings.php (With db stuff blanked) - When I use this localsettings, I get the error shown at http://www.twistedp.com/wiki. If I comment out the lines added for teh SMF Auth extension, the wiki runs fine. [12:52:20] hi, developers [12:53:52] usmcwrestling: Where's your LocalSettings.php? Looks like a syntax error. [12:54:10] robchurch: It's in wwwroot/wiki [12:54:28] "Here's my localsettings.php (With db stuff blanked)" -- yeah, where? [12:54:35] Ohh lol [12:54:39] Alternatively, pastebin the lines that break when uncommented. [12:54:41] http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72333 [12:55:27] hehe just forgot to post the url :-) [12:56:32] Right, the \ at the end of the string in line 250 escapes the closing quote, causing it to not close, so far as I can see. [12:56:42] Change it to \\ [12:56:50] 03(NEW) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #53, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10972 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (shinjiman) [12:57:16] So $wgSMFPathAPI= "\home\content\a\d\a\adamroig\html\simplemachinesforum\\"; <--? [12:57:41] Give it a go. [12:59:04] Done, view url for new error heh I was having trouble figuring out the relative path, so I just used an absolute path. I'm not sure if using a relative path would fix this, what do you think? [13:00:21] I can post that extension so you can see line 4 if you need [13:00:34] I have searched high and low but I can not find how to verify my mediawiki site with google webmaster. Anyone here knows? [13:01:48] 03robchurch * r24870 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryAllUsers.php): (log message trimmed) [13:01:48] * (bug 10971) `aufrom` parameter doesn't work with spaces [13:01:48] * Fix username handling issue with `auprefix` parameter [13:01:48] Usernames are *not* stored in "key" format, and treating them as such will cause [13:01:48] various comparisons to misbehave. This was preventing `aufrom` from including [13:01:50] the username (as it was supposed to) and would have broken `auprefix` for all [13:01:52] comparisons containing spaces. [13:02:26] 03(FIXED) aufrom parameter doesn't work with spaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10971 +comment (10robchur) [13:02:38] I seems to boil down to adding a META tag but what would be the supported way to do this in 10.0.1? [13:02:55] Possibly via an extension. [13:03:44] I feared so, thnx, I will search for one [13:05:02] hi [13:05:22] 14(INVALID) Closing of Herero Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10690 +comment (10jeluf) [13:05:24] is it possible to make an openldap (or ldap) authentication? [13:08:05] ok, if html\simplemachinesforum\ is my target folder, and html\wiki\extensions\AutoAuthenticate_SMF\ is where the referencing file is from, then a relative path between the 2 is --> ../../../../simplemashinesforum/ <-- right? [13:08:32] (Spelling srrors aside heh) [13:09:41] one ../ should be removed [13:10:42] Hmm not finding it [13:14:31] agrh [13:17:19] no body? [13:17:55] So, $wgSMFPathAPI seems to be a variable, for the path to SSI.php which is the SMF Forum API. The variable is set in localsettings.php, so it seems it should be relative from the extension path, not from the localsettings path, but neither work. [13:19:39] 03(mod) Upgrade to the latest version of GeSHi (1.0.7.20) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10967 (10shinjiman) [13:20:24] Someone mine telling me what line 4 in http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72334 means, in plain english? I'm no coder, but I think it means that if that api is not called via require_once, then the extension ends. Is that right? [13:20:31] If so that,s part of my problem right there [13:26:49] 03mulligen * r24871 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/suggest.js: automatically update pubmed labels [13:28:47] is there a way to use a ldap server to authenticate all user on my mediawiki? [13:28:50] usmcwrestling: that tries to load the file specified by the variable $wgSMFPathAPI [13:28:53] a couple of notes about it [13:28:58] 1) it's a security vulnerability [13:29:13] it may allow arbitrary PHP code execution on many versions of PHP [13:29:39] 2) the conditional statement and error message are unnecessary, since require_once() will trigger a fatal error if the file can't be loaded [13:31:47] brion-office: So, the security vulnerability aside (I'll deal with that once I get it loaded, I'm kinda stubborn, been dicking with this for a day, really just want it to work right now) [13:32:08] brion-office: What it appears I need to do is not point to SSI.php's path, I need to point directly to that file. [13:32:51] so it would appear [13:32:59] And if that's the case, I still, for whatever reason, can't get it to work. It still errors out, I have it pointing there now [13:33:17] ... As can be seen at twistedp.com/wiki [13:35:34] usmcwrestling: *cough* \home\ ? [13:35:57] look carefully there [13:36:01] one path looks like one thing [13:36:04] the other looks like something else [13:36:08] Right [13:36:12] one relative, one absolute [13:36:18] nope [13:36:21] err [13:37:39] I've gotta be dense, I'm missing what your elluding ot [13:37:41] to* [13:39:24] /home/content/a/d/a/adamroig/html/wiki/extensions/AutoAuthenticate_SMF/AutoAuthenticate_SMF.php [13:39:32] \home\content\a\d\a\adamroig\html\simplemachinesforum\SSI.php [13:40:08] one of these things is not like the other [13:40:35] lol the slashes, but I thought that was correct syntax. \ for absolure, / for relative [13:41:20] o_O [13:41:22] nope :D [13:41:25] (Told ya I'm dense) [13:41:28] \ for windows and netware [13:41:36] / for everything else (unix, mac, web) [13:42:58] Sonofa. Well maybe this means I did everything right. Let me update the pastey, new error on twistedp.com/wiki [13:45:47] http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72335 is the pastey with current localsettings. I'm assuming that error means the extension is FUBAR? [13:46:44] hmm [13:46:55] have to check the web server error log to see what's wrong i guess :P [13:48:29] Hello [13:48:49] how i change de left navegation bar ? [13:49:05] i'm getting "Failed to parse (PNG conversion failed; check for correct installation of latex, dvips, gs, and convert)" errors when trying to parse math formulae. i've checked that all specified applications are in the path. Is there any common reason why this happens? [13:49:08] i need configure it, someone have a link with explication ? [13:49:54] asymingt: permissions, SELinux configuration, PATH that's set in your terminal but not in your web server are common reasons [13:50:17] brion-office: thanks :) [13:51:00] Easy one. I want multiple wikis on a single server. I don't want multiple FQDN's for each, just different paths in the URL. I'm using Debian, but I suspect(!) that I should remove my mediawiki.deb and install a new sub-dir (under /var/www .. ? is that safe?) for each instance I want to run. Is this reasonable? [13:51:25] Installing from tarballs from mediawiki.org, I mean. [13:51:34] klapzin Look at MediaWiki:Sidebar [13:54:55] usmcwrestling, thanks man, i've configure all of template [13:55:02] you have a documentation of this ? [13:57:01] klapzin No, I just edited it, and watched what happened. Trail and error type. Pretty much just shove links in there, use a hrozontal bar to get seperate boxes. [13:59:09] Thanks man ! [14:04:02] How i coment a line in mediawiki site ? [14:06:45] 03(mod) Warn on creating of double redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10963 (10brion) [14:09:24] 03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preferance - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837 (10shinjiman) [14:10:58] 14(INVALID) Check status of picturepopup extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10965 +comment (10brion) [14:11:28] 03(mod) Closing of Herero Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10690 (10triyork) [14:14:21] I use a custom auth plugin based off of the plugin here ( http://wiki.case.edu/CaseWiki:External_Authentication ). I had it working on a mediawiki installation (1.10.0), but when i moved it over to a new server (by copying the mediawiki folder over and the MySQL databases) i run a problem where media wiki is returning bad login cookies. I have pasted an example here: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72336 [14:14:36] everything else on the wiki appears to be working fine (content, etc) [14:15:53] I've tried Truncating the User and UserGroups tables in mysql to make sure that's not the problem. Mediawiki succesfully auto-creates the user entry in the user table when I try to log in, but still returns the same exact cookie for a given username. [14:16:10] 03mkroetzsch * r24872 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_Types.php: Support links in HTML printout [14:19:43] There was a PHP upgrade on the new server (5.2.0 vs 5.1.2), but for the most part the machines are similar [14:20:06] Can anyone offer advice on where to look? [14:22:50] 03mkroetzsch * r24873 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/QueryPages/ (. SMWQueryPage.php SMW_SpecialProperties.php): New query pages for properties (will replace the old pages for relations/attributes) [14:23:38] 03mkroetzsch * r24874 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/QueryPages/ (SMWQueryPage.php SMW_QueryPage.php SMW_SpecialProperties.php): Typo in file name [14:27:49] hey, how do i make a skin the default skin [14:28:04] for everyone [14:29:07] hello [14:29:16] I ve got a problem [14:29:29] I lost my admin passwd on mediawiki [14:29:39] I ve got the acces to the database [14:29:50] how can I create a new root user [14:29:52] ? [14:30:01] nevermind, i found it [14:30:58] Hi, all...I am in the middle of a corporate mediawiki transition. We have changed our auth mechanism and I need to remap all of the user names in the db. any ideas on an easy way to do this? Redirects perhaps? Its around 2000 users [14:31:24] 03(mod) Requesting a new custom namespace to Lithuanian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10960 (10brion) [14:36:01] Someone can help me to know how admin the wikidb? [14:39:23] 03brion * r24875 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Export.php: fix regression from r24838 -- lost a '>' char for redirecting 7za output to null [14:43:02] how do i change what is in the navigation bar [14:44:22] what is {{#time}} - it doesn't seem to be a ParserFunction!? [14:44:42] for navbar see: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Navigation [14:45:05] or edit MediaWiki:Sidebar directly if that is what you need [14:51:02] nvm; was missing the colon [14:54:05] + foreach ($error as $e) echo $e; [14:54:05] + $text .= call_user_func_array( 'wfMsg', $error ); [14:54:14] eww? [15:07:46] �� ? [15:10:09] �� . �� ? �� . [15:10:47] o_o [15:12:55] avantis: no, this is English-speaking channel [15:13:02] try #wikipedia-ru [15:13:31] There is question. What carry MediaWIKi on other host? The Even number �� Database to connect. [15:13:58] avantis: /join #wikipedia-ru [15:15:38] what constitutes a page being "orphaned" [15:15:44] that nothing cross references it? [15:15:56] IIRC, yes [15:16:03] <_Danny_B_> orphan page is paga which is not linked from any other [15:16:09] ok [15:17:53] 03(mod) Create Bengali Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10907 +comment (10tarif.ezaz) [15:23:06] 03mkroetzsch * r24876 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/QueryPages/ (2 files): New special pages for replacing the former attribute/relation pages. [15:24:10] 03mkroetzsch * r24877 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/ (SMW_SQLStore.php SMW_Store.php): Storage access methods for property special pages [15:24:47] 03mkroetzsch * r24878 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_SpecialPages.php): New registration system for special pages (on-demand loading), use new special pages for properties [15:28:50] 03(mod) Requesting a new custom namespace to Lithuanian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10960 (10knutux) [15:36:41] 03mkroetzsch * r24879 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/ (8 files): Updated messages for new special pages [15:55:08] 03(NEW) Redirected form - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10973 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [16:04:14] <_Danny_B_> robchurch: would you mind to estimate, how difficult 10897 could be, pls? [16:04:57] Potentially trivial, but potentially also backwards-incompatible. [16:06:03] <_Danny_B_> would rather creating of new right be better instead of splitting of this? [16:06:22] <^demon> robchurch: If DefaultSettings were updated to encorporate the new permission, I don't see how it'd break compatibility, at least in the respect of people still using MW the way they're used to. [16:07:19] If the restrictions are saved such that the _right_ is saved into the database, then it wouldn't work in a backwards-compatible fashion without transforming more magic strings into other magic strings, which is something that's fragile and where possible, should be avoided [16:07:57] <^demon> Oh true. [16:08:42] <^demon> But that would only be in situations where we would want to define a new usergroup that wants to edit protected pages but not protect them...provided editprotected is still assigned to sysop, I think it'd still be good. [16:09:04] What are you talking about? [16:09:07] <_Danny_B_> so rather have new right for that then? [16:09:24] The *right* that a user needs to edit a given page is saved into the page_restrictions table. [16:10:05] <^demon> Oh, I was referring to user_groups. [16:10:18] So at the moment, there are values such as "autoconfirmed", "sysop", etc. going in. [16:10:29] At the moment, we rewrite "sysop" to "protect", which is fragile. [16:10:59] You can't keep arbitrarily changing things like this or you leave a whole mess of backwards-compatible fiddling behind. [16:11:04] <^demon> My point being though, if "sysop" is assigned editprotected via wgGroupPermissions, then I don't see it breaking. [16:11:39] That's not my point, though. [16:12:06] 03(mod) Create Bengali Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10907 +comment (10bellayet) [16:12:12] <_Danny_B_> my aim was to be able to create the group "caneditprotected" with such right [16:12:28] Why do you need the rights split? If you want to be able to protect a page such that a given group can edit, but not change protection levels, then you can use the existing $wgRestrictionLevels to add that. [16:13:37] It seems superfluous to me, and means that you're changing bits and pieces around that, sooner or later, will bite you on the ass. [16:13:45] <^demon> robchurch: I see what you mean now. [16:15:07] <_Danny_B_> the deal is we'd need to allow certain group of people to be able to edit protected pages (rather even only some of them if possible) but don't want to grant them sysop rights [16:15:33] 03mkroetzsch * r24880 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (18 files in 6 dirs): [16:15:33] Cleanup. Removed obsoleted code, changed German and English translations to consistent new terminology. Removed obsolete messages in all [16:15:33] languages. [16:15:39] Then create a new protection level, don't break the *intention* of the existing one. [16:15:55] <_Danny_B_> that's what i was asking about few posts ago [16:16:06] Well, it's perfectly doable now, without splitting the rights. [16:16:43] Oh, for God's sake, will someone create the effing Bengali Wikisource? [16:16:51] <_Danny_B_> :-) [16:16:53] <_Danny_B_> so create new editprotected right aside of protect? [16:17:03] Yes. [16:17:23] <^demon> I was about to say. [16:17:23] You would have something like $wgRestrictionLevels = array( '*', 'autoconfirmed', 'editprotected', 'sysop' ); [16:17:25] <_Danny_B_> that was my original idea [16:17:34] $wgGroupPermissions['editprotected']['editprotected'] = true; [16:17:57] Then you can protect pages against anons and newbies, other users, and finally, everyone except sysops. [16:17:59] <_Danny_B_> ok, how much time would that take to set? [16:18:14] Well, given the backlog of shell requests, god knows. [16:18:50] <^demon> robchurch: Those guys need to shut up about Bengali Wikisource...they've posted 3 times *today& [16:18:59] <_Danny_B_> so i'll change the bug from "split" to "create new" [16:19:39] If you mess about with, and split protection rights up, then you can't protect a page such that *only real sysops can edit it* [16:19:42] Which you may want to do [16:19:43] 03(WONTFIX) Split "protect" right to "protect" and "editprotected" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10897 +comment (10robchur) [16:20:09] <_Danny_B_> aaa, just wanted to change the summary [16:20:42] <_Danny_B_> should i reopen with new summary or create new? [16:20:55] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10967#c1 [16:20:56] Sigh. [16:21:11] Is he suggesting we...no, I don't get it at all. [16:21:54] I suppose it's doable with SVN externals, if GeSHi has a permanent stable tag somewhere. [16:22:32] Doesn't make sense for us to keep separate copies of external libraries, though. [16:22:54] <_Danny_B_> robchurch: ^ [16:23:06] new [16:23:09] <_Danny_B_> ok [16:26:56] 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156 +comment (10niels.oestergaard) [16:27:23] 03(NEW) Create "editprotected" right - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10974 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (danny_b) [16:27:40] *robchurch sighs [16:27:45] Do you want it for a specific wiki? [16:27:59] If you want it for a specific project, *ask for it* for a specific project. [16:28:05] Otherwise, the defaults are absolutely fine. [16:29:42] <_Danny_B_> well, i think, this should be available to all wikis. i already been asked by admin of nonwmf wiki if it's possible. the aim is to have something like poweruser group (something between sysops and normal users) because the step between these two groups is too high [16:30:09] If you want something for your wiki, then you add it for your wiki. [16:30:23] <_Danny_B_> however yes, i'm particulary asking now because of cswiki [16:30:32] "the step between [...]" is your opinion, and not every wiki owner believes it. [16:31:37] In any case, who would get the right by default? How do you know you wouldn't be inadvertently escalating privileges under a third-party setup? [16:31:38] <_Danny_B_> request for this is caused mainly by the fact that there's impossible to do cascade semiprotection [16:32:01] Well, if that's the real reason you want it, why don't you ask for that "problem" to be addressed instead? [16:32:17] <_Danny_B_> by default nobody. bct should grant it such as grants bots or sysops [16:33:11] If cascading protection needs to be rethought a bit, then maybe that should happen instead of working around what you believe to be incorrect behaviour. [16:33:44] <_Danny_B_> cascading semiprotection is just one of the causes [16:33:56] *robchurch sighs [16:36:09] <_Danny_B_> sorry, i'm a bit confused what exactly you want from me. i'm trying to ask for adding of new user right globally regardless how i got the idea because i believe separating of these rights is necessary to make the rights management more flexible [16:37:06] So you want us to add a new right that nobody gets by default, and is therefore pointless, that any wiki owner is able to configure with trivial ease in LocalSettings.php? [16:37:52] <_Danny_B_> uh? sysop isn't default as well except for the owner of wiki [16:38:04] <_Danny_B_> bot isn't default too [16:38:15] Users don't get rights, groups do. [16:38:27] No group will be given the right by default. [16:38:50] <_Danny_B_> correct. this is most probably just misunderstanding by using ofwrong terms from my side. sorry for that [16:39:03] Therefore, if no group has the right, *what is the point of it*? [16:39:05] <_Danny_B_> yes, there should be new default group called poweruser along [16:39:40] "poweruser" is a group name that is likely to conflict with many existing uses. [16:39:58] Everyone has their own idea of what a "poweruser" should be able to do, and it's not something we should try and bundle. [16:42:24] <_Danny_B_> well, everyone has their own idea of what sysop or bct should do too. and who doesn't like the default settings just reassigns the rights. same would be with poweruser (or choose any other name for that group) [16:42:57] Whatever. I don't agree that there's any need to change the defaults. [16:43:07] <_Danny_B_> it can have some default values and since it's in localsettings, it's easily configurable [16:43:31] Since you aren't seeing my point, and I am not seeing yours, there's precious little value in this discussion continuing. [16:44:00] <_Danny_B_> anyway, if you don't agree with global usage would you still make it possible on cswiki then? [16:44:20] If you ask for it in the right place. [16:44:39] I'm not able to make anything possible on cswiki. [16:44:40] <_Danny_B_> which is bugzilla i guess ;-) [16:45:01] 03kim * r24881 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (DefinedMeaningModel.php Record.php): Tweaks to Record.php and DefinedMeaningModel.php [16:52:44] 03(mod) Page titles are shown with square brackets around when deleting items from watchlist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9471 (10robchur) [16:57:26] 03(mod) [Special:Import] Script doesn't "translate" back to {{NS: #}} for non-english Namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9067 -crosswiki (10robchur) [16:58:44] 03(mod) Special:Import should adjust namespaces to local wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5770 +comment (10robchur) [16:58:45] 14(DUP) [Special:Import] Script doesn't "translate" back to {{NS: #}} for non-english Namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9067 +comment (10robchur) [17:06:45] 03robchurch * r24882 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Xml.php: Make Xml::expandAttributes() a bit more robust against non-array arguments; people keep passing it things it doesn't like :( [17:06:48] 03(NEW) Visio Diagram Integration - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10975 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (mzbashir) [17:07:52] *robchurch frowns [17:08:00] 03(mod) Visio Diagram Integration - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10975 (10robchur) [17:13:40] rel="nofollow" is only advisory, isn't it? [17:14:07] That is, the standard doesn't require you to adhere to it? [17:14:21] For that matter, the "standard" is completely optional. [17:17:24] <_Danny_B_> yes. [17:18:45] *robchurch nods [17:19:00] In fact, rel="nofollow" doesn't mean "don't follow this link" at all. [17:19:11] Gotta love informal microformats. :D [17:25:30] 03(mod) Create Bengali Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10907 (10cbrown1023) [17:30:15] how can i set it so that only registered users can edit pages? [17:35:37] PureEvilGeek: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [17:38:02] <_Danny_B_> robchurch: in fact robots.txt isn't enforced as well. if somebody wants to spam or abuse, they just simply will ignore it [17:42:41] ialexandre: do i have to ftp into the server and edit the localsettings.php or is there a way to do it in the wiki? [17:43:13] PureEvilGeek: you can't do this using the wiki [17:43:51] ialexandre: ok no problem. also if i want to make it so only registered users can edit the wiki what would i want to use for group? [17:44:55] PureEvilGeek: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; [17:45:17] PureEvilGeek: but anon users can create account [17:45:49] wouldn't * disable editing for every one or can registered users still create them? [17:45:53] edit/create [17:46:35] PureEvilGeek: there is also $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['edit'] = true; by default option, so registred can edit [17:47:13] ah ok so the true over rides the false? [17:47:19] PureEvilGeek: yes [17:49:33] awesome thank you [17:49:46] no problem [17:50:12] last thing:) can i set it up so a user has to get confermed before there account is active? [17:51:02] PureEvilGeek: you can also restrict account creation [17:52:18] same groupermissions command or another one? [17:52:45] $wgGroupPermissions['*' ]['createaccount'] = false; [17:53:24] now only sysop can create accounts [17:53:48] ah no confermation e-mail thing like on forums? [17:54:11] this exists also :) [17:54:34] 03(NEW) Upladed file size calculations to compare with upload quota - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10976 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko) [17:54:53] is it $wgGroupPermissions['emailconfirmed' ]['createaccount'] = false; ? [17:55:07] i'm having the darnest time looking those these help files [17:56:06] true to allow [17:56:28] ah thats right [17:56:29]