[00:02:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ordered/unordered list buttons in page editor - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11018  +comment (10danny_b)
[00:03:09] <CIA-1>	03ivanlanin * r25020 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesId.php: Indonesian (id) localisation updates.
[00:09:55] <_Danny_B_>	can parser function return wikitext to be parsed? say {{#foo:bar}} would return eg. '''[[bar]]'''
[00:12:32] <robchurch>	Parser functions *do* return wiki text.
[00:13:37] <_Danny_B_>	just wanted to be sure. ok, and tags can have wikitext as input, except for template params atm but return xhtml, correct?
[00:13:53] <robchurch>	Tags return HTML.
[00:14:01] <robchurch>	What their input is is their business, it isn't parsed for them.
[00:14:43] <_Danny_B_>	so if i send some wikitext to tag i need to parse it in the tag handling routine, right?
[00:16:30] <robchurch>	Yes.
[00:16:44] <_Danny_B_>	and last question is: can parser functions have named parameters such as {{#pf:foo|bar=A|baz=B}}?
[00:17:11] <robchurch>	I'm not sure.
[00:18:01] <_Danny_B_>	if not would {{#pf:foo||B}} work if i don't want to fill first param?
[00:18:29] <robchurch>	I think that would pass a blank string as the first parameter, so yes.
[00:21:26] <_Danny_B_>	that's good enough to make it work though little annoying. thanks for info, rob
[00:22:59] <robchurch>	All right, from a quick test, named parameters don't work in parser functions.
[00:23:10] <robchurch>	Although the function itself could implement special behaviour to do this.
[00:23:31] <_Danny_B_>	yes, parse it
[00:23:34] <CIA-1>	03erik * r25022 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (OmegaWikiAttributes.php Wikidata.php): eliminate language selector - no longer needed
[00:23:45] <_Danny_B_>	also an approach
[00:23:55] <robchurch>	Well, not a regular parse, but a custom transformation, yes.
[00:24:54] <_Danny_B_>	i guess #switch would be the best to take a look at if i need pf with variable number of params, right?
[00:26:55] <robchurch>	Yes.
[00:29:16] <robchurch>	http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72562 - Proof of concept parser function with "named arguments"
[00:30:28] <CIA-1>	03tlaqua * r25023 10/trunk/phase3/includes/media/Bitmap.php: Fix f/ PNG-24 Alpha Transparency using GDLIB resizing
[00:32:24] <robchurch>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension_talk:Simple_Forms&curid=13860&diff=123732&oldid=123615
[00:32:27] <robchurch>	fight on!
[00:33:20] <TimLaqua>	poor Eep
[00:35:01] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: thanxalot for the code
[00:35:05] <Simetrical>	tlaqua?
[00:35:16] <TimLaqua>	yeah, who's that guy?
[00:35:51] *Simetrical 	is confused by a Tim he's never heard of committing a change to a file that was written by a Tim he has heard of
[00:39:12] <_Danny_B_>	how do i get the page namespace and page title inside the parser function? and would the namespace be in canonical or local form?
[00:39:34] <robchurch>	Ask the parser for the Title, then extract it from that.
[00:40:02] <_Danny_B_>	thx
[00:40:06] <robchurch>	Namespaces are integers, unless you ask for the "prefixed title" or explicitly obtain the namespace prefix.
[00:41:29] <_Danny_B_>	yes i need localized namespace prefix
[00:41:50] <robchurch>	Obtain it, then.
[00:41:55] <VoiceOfAll>	oww
[00:42:07] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: even you were never that nasty, right? ;)
[00:42:28] <_Danny_B_>	i wish there was more documentation :-/
[00:42:31] <robchurch>	Not towards people who provide genuine feedback in good faith, no.
[00:43:37] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: isn't eep that guy who did not understand bugzilla isn't support chat although both of us were sending him here or to list?
[00:43:47] <robchurch>	I have no idea.
[00:44:35] *_Danny_B_ 	is going to drown in sources of parser
[00:44:46] <robchurch>	I have a solution for that.
[00:44:48] <robchurch>	Don't read it.
[00:44:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Resizing PNG-24 images causes all alpha channel transparency to be lost and transparent pixels to be turned black - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10783  +comment (10t.laqua)
[00:45:34] <robchurch>	TimLaqua: Release notes.
[00:45:39] <TimLaqua>	gotcha
[00:45:40] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:Preventing_access&diff=prev&oldid=116342
[00:46:09] <robchurch>	So what?
[00:47:07] <VoiceOfAll>	that was annoying
[00:47:09] <VoiceOfAll>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual_talk:Preventing_access&diff=115926&oldid=100105
[00:47:14] <VoiceOfAll>	and *that* was the comment
[00:47:49] <VoiceOfAll>	so I guess I have sympathy for Nad 
[00:48:33] <robchurch>	dude, rockin' thread title on the mailing list
[00:48:38] <robchurch>	"attack of the backslashes"
[00:49:21] <robchurch>	TimLaqua: Another point: When closing a bug, include a comment with something like "Fixed in r<revision#>." in it - it autolinks, and it helps us to keep track of changes related to bugs
[00:51:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Resizing PNG-24 images causes all alpha channel transparency to be lost and transparent pixels to be turned black - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10783  (10t.laqua)
[00:51:38] <TimLaqua>	kk
[00:52:16] <TimLaqua>	top or bottom of the bugfixes list?
[00:52:22] <TimLaqua>	in R/C
[00:52:37] <robchurch>	Bottom by convention.
[00:53:18] <robchurch>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access#Guidelines_for_Applying_Patches
[00:53:21] *robchurch 	cringes
[00:53:38] <robchurch>	A good percentage of those links are mailing list posts with me shouting. :D
[00:53:58] <TimLaqua>	yeah, I read it, but figured i'd confirm w/ you so I didn't get any more of that "yelling"
[00:54:45] <CIA-1>	03tlaqua * r25024 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: bugfix noted (10783)
[00:55:56] <robchurch>	I am exceptionally arrogant and strongly opinionated. It is inevitable that I will probably yell at you at least once.
[00:56:02] <robchurch>	You shouldn't be offended by it in any way.
[00:56:12] <TimLaqua>	k.
[00:56:24] *TimLaqua 	waits to be chided for not linewrapping.  ;-)
[00:57:14] *_Danny_B_ 	gave up searching in code, it's too much complicated for him
[00:57:25] <_Danny_B_>	i'll have to annoy smarter peoplefor advices
[00:57:34] <TimLaqua>	zing
[00:57:53] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25025 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Wrap
[00:58:19] <robchurch>	I'm in a good mood, I got a personal thanks for some extension work today.
[00:58:33] <TimLaqua>	does your work oft go unnoticed?
[00:58:35] <_Danny_B_>	robchurch: the media one?
[00:58:48] <robchurch>	Yes, and no - RandomImage.
[00:59:25] <robchurch>	I'm not totally satisfied with the EXIF stuff in MediaFunctions.
[01:02:31] <_Danny_B_>	new parser function should be added to current parserfunctions or distributed as separate extension?
[01:02:38] <robchurch>	What does the function do
[01:03:55] <_Danny_B_>	nothing yet, working on it. just asking to know if i should provide new separate file or diff to parserfunctions
[01:04:16] <robchurch>	Probably ParserFunctions
[01:04:54] <Pinky>	can somebody link me to the code for the English php language file?
[01:05:54] <robchurch>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/language/messages/MessagesEn.php
[01:06:21] <TimLaqua_away>	robchurch, so if a hook is added (say, AfterBottomScripts - fires when Skin::BottomPage is called) - would it immediately me documented on mw.org and noted in New featurs of R/C?
[01:06:32] <TimLaqua_away>	*Skin::BottomScripts
[01:07:00] <robchurch>	It would be documented at least in docs/hooks.txt and at the bottom of the "new features" section of the release notes.
[01:07:02] <newWikiMEdia>	how do I register?
[01:07:15] <_Danny_B_>	newWikiMEdia: where?
[01:07:21] <Pinky>	robchurch: that links giving me a 404 not found
[01:07:33] <TimLaqua_away>	and preferrably also in r/c and on mw.org?  or mw.org should wait for stable release?
[01:07:36] <robchurch>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php
[01:07:40] <newWikiMEdia>	I try ti send private msg, and there is a message I get on the channel
[01:07:50] <robchurch>	What do you mean by r/c
[01:07:56] <TimLaqua_away>	recent changes
[01:07:58] <newWikiMEdia>	telling that I have to register
[01:08:04] <TimLaqua_away>	(wrapped of course)
[01:08:12] <robchurch>	That's the release notes.
[01:08:22] <TimLaqua_away>	oop.  yeah, that one.
[01:08:31] <robchurch>	Document it on MediaWiki.org if you want.
[01:08:37] <Pinky>	ah
[01:08:39] <Pinky>	thx :)
[01:08:40] <TimLaqua>	k
[01:08:42] <_Danny_B_>	newWikiMEdia: /msg nickserv register password
[01:09:01] <_Danny_B_>	newWikiMEdia: for further questions on that , pls go on #freenode
[01:09:12] <newWikiMEdia>	thanks
[01:25:50] <CIA-1>	03kim * r25026 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (3 files): 
[01:25:50] <CIA-1>	CopyTo now working again, though not without an additional gnarly
[01:25:50] <CIA-1>	dc global hack.
[01:25:50] <CIA-1>	(You may point and laugh at me now)
[01:25:50] <CIA-1>	Hopefully I can pull all these hacks sometime soon.
[01:41:18] <_Danny_B_>	what a lovely comment in one of core sources:
[01:41:19] <_Danny_B_>	/ Shit. Shit shit shit.
[01:46:00] <robchurch>	Where's that?
[01:52:16] <_Danny_B_>	Title.php function getNsText()
[01:53:10] <_Danny_B_>	still trying to dig out how to get the namespace name and page title
[01:54:27] <robchurch>	$title->getPrefixedText(); where $title instanceof Title
[01:58:11] <_Danny_B_>	this returns the fullpagename, right? so namespace would be $title->getNsText() and pagename $title->getText() if i understand it correctly
[01:59:40] <robchurch>	Yes.
[02:00:33] <_Danny_B_>	can namespace contain colon?
[02:01:28] <robchurch>	No.
[02:03:33] *_Danny_B_ 	is thinking about the best separator of values while | is occupied as parameter separator
[02:04:15] <_Danny_B_>	so namespaces could be separated by colon, need to find something to separate fullpagenames
[02:05:07] <CIA-1>	03tlaqua * r25027 10/USERINFO/tlaqua: Updating SVN user info
[02:05:21] <robchurch>	whee
[02:05:28] <robchurch>	RenameUser log looks almost sane now \o/
[02:05:46] <_Danny_B_>	cool
[02:06:15] <robchurch>	02:02, 22 August 2007 Rob (Talk | contribs | block) renamed "Joe" to Bill (Talk | contribs | block) (Testing log entries)
[02:06:32] <robchurch>	Going to need to fight with Newuserlog a bit.
[02:07:38] <_Danny_B_>	hmm, i wonder if it's good to show the old username
[02:07:49] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: no edit count?
[02:07:54] <VoiceOfAll>	:p
[02:08:03] <robchurch>	Easily doable.
[02:08:19] <robchurch>	I was testing out the whole architecture, I've changed my mind about it about three times.
[02:08:46] <robchurch>	Right now, a method can be registered which formats and returns an array of parameters that are injected into the relevant log message.
[02:09:07] <robchurch>	(Default behaviour is to HTML-escape the log_params and inject those, otherwise)
[02:09:21] <robchurch>	Newuserlog needs to blank the comment, though...
[02:11:30] <robchurch>	In fact, Newuserlog is going to require some horrible hacking...
[02:12:49] *Simetrical 	is currently repartitioning the root partition of a Linux server over SSH
[02:12:54] <Simetrical>	It's quite an informative experience.
[02:15:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Disable anonymous access to create anypage in Wikimania 2007 Official Site - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10940  (10alexsh)
[02:16:44] <Simetrical>	The catch is, of course, that you can't actually adjust a mounted partition, and it's tricky to umount /.
[02:18:28] <robchurch>	The important thing is that it's an exciting experience.
[02:21:02] <Simetrical>	Well, my host will replace my hard drives with equivalent ones for free, with a fresh copy of RHEL 5 installed, so even if I screw up . . .
[02:21:09] <Simetrical>	It's a new server, not anything important on it.
[02:21:34] <Simetrical>	Annoyingly, my newly-repurposed swap partition is only 2G, which is slightly too small for the default installation.
[02:23:55] *Simetrical 	is following the easy 27-step procedure laid out at https://answers.cbfl.net/answers/threadview?id=16557
[02:24:41] <robchurch>	# 02:22, 22 August 2007 Boris Becker (Talk | contribs | block) created account for Tim Henman (Talk | contribs | block)
[02:24:41] <robchurch>	# 02:20, 22 August 2007 Boris Becker (Talk | contribs | block) created an account 
[02:25:10] <robchurch>	Whee
[02:25:26] <robchurch>	Newuserlog is an old extension, it's seen a fair few haxxxxxx
[02:25:55] <Simetrical>	Eh?
[02:26:46] <robchurch>	The log behaviour, abuse of logs, and what's saved into the logging table, have all changed a few times, with the result that a lot of backwards-compatible fiddling goes on.
[02:41:53] <CIA-1>	03kim * r25028 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/DefinedMeaningModel.php: 
[02:41:53] <CIA-1>	Now with auto-conceptmapping when saving (kinda saves me
[02:41:53] <CIA-1>	searching back my dm, each time I edit)
[02:41:53] <CIA-1>	Global dc must die, forsure, but conceptmapping was already
[02:41:53] <CIA-1>	global-dc-agnostic. (pleasant surprise there)
[03:01:37] <CIA-1>	03kim * r25029 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/DefinedMeaningModel.php: refactored one of the hacks back out. (blame me for working so early)
[03:05:56] <CIA-1>	03kim * r25030 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiAttributes.php: Remove deprecated function
[03:11:51] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: yeah, BC cruft will stop the code from glistening anytime soon
[03:12:30] <robchurch>	Do we have a reliable, existing method of taking a database name, and getting the URL to that Wikimedia project?
[03:12:51] <robchurch>	I'm trying to format user links in, e.g. the Meta rights log as interwiki links, but the special cases are a bit awkward.
[03:13:31] <robchurch>	Hmm, wait, SiteMatrix defines lots of stuff, doesn't it?
[03:22:53] *robchurch 	slaps head
[03:23:03] <robchurch>	Of course! I can pinch code from CentralAuth.
[03:58:02] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Project:Forum&diff=123786&oldid=123785
[03:58:12] <VoiceOfAll>	wow, he is more pissed than I thought
[03:59:23] <robchurch>	This enhanced changes list thing is giving me some hassle.
[04:03:13] <AphelionZ>	anyone ever see this error before? Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end in /home/wikibon/public_html/LocalSettings.php on line 1
[04:03:15] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: is that really ban worthy?
[04:03:40] <robchurch>	VoiceOfAll: no
[04:10:14] <Simetrical>	Mm . . . needless to say, my fancy attempt to remotely repartition / made my machine unbootable.
[04:17:54] <CIA-1>	03kim * r25031 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/small/ (bodygrep.pl funcgrep.pl): 
[04:17:54] <CIA-1>	Some extra grep functions to dig my way through the Editor and idstacks.
[04:17:54] <CIA-1>	Doing:
[04:17:54] <CIA-1>	 small/bodygrep.pl save Editor.php
[04:17:54] <CIA-1>	Is not as enlightening as I'd hoped. (possibly because I'm sleepy)
[04:24:52] <AphelionZ>	seriously guys im in a state of panic here.. i downloaded the localsettings from the server
[04:24:59] <AphelionZ>	added four lines
[04:25:01] <AphelionZ>	and put it back
[04:25:07] <AphelionZ>	and now it's throwing this absurd error
[04:25:17] <AphelionZ>	i even took the lines out and still the same thing
[04:25:56] <Simetrical>	Could you put your LocalSettings on pastey.net (minus any passwords)?
[04:26:38] <AphelionZ>	pastey.net is down for me and pastebin.ca wont let me post it because it thinks its spam
[04:26:46] <AphelionZ>	im hoping its some silly syntax thing
[04:26:56] <Simetrical>	Find another paste service.
[04:27:28] <Simetrical>	It's definitely a syntax thing.  It does say "syntax error".
[04:27:47] <AphelionZ>	ok so i added ?> at the end (wasnt there before)
[04:27:49] <AphelionZ>	how about this error here: Notice: Use of undefined constant php - assumed 'php' in /home/wikibon/public_html/LocalSettings.php on line 1
[04:28:04] <Simetrical>	Yeah, the first line is screwed up.
[04:28:24] <AphelionZ>	except my first line is:   <?php
[04:28:29] <Simetrical>	Did you edit it in Notepad?  That can add BOMs sometimes, which screws with PHP.
[04:28:35] <AphelionZ>	nah, TextMate
[04:28:38] <Simetrical>	Although usually not like this, that I've seen.
[04:28:53] <Simetrical>	Try deleting and retyping the first line.  Try looking with a hex editor for suspicious stuff.
[04:31:17] <AphelionZ>	i think something got screwed up during the download
[04:32:38] <AphelionZ>	how about this one: Error, Setup.php must be included from the file scope, after DefaultSettings.php
[04:33:46] <AphelionZ>	what in gods name is going on - i found a local version of a rollback of localsettings... and i uploaded it and it worked fine just now.. then I added my lines (just a few require_once's) and now it's giving me that file scope error
[04:34:29] <Simetrical>	If you're require_onceing files that aren't written right, you'll get errors.
[04:34:45] <AphelionZ>	but i took the lines out and i'm still getting the stuff about setup.php
[04:35:18] <Simetrical>	I'm betting your text editor is screwing something up.  Try a null edit on a known good version and see if that screws it up.
[04:42:29] <robchurch>	\o/
[04:42:43] <AphelionZ>	yeah, i'll do that.. all signs point to that
[04:43:13] <robchurch>	OK, so, built-in logs all have formatting methods where needed; logs are using the new formatters in Special:Log and change lists; logs are now saved in recentchanges using the target title, and rc_log_type/log_action/params columns.
[04:43:26] <robchurch>	Relevant log entries are showing up in Special:Watchlist...
[04:43:42] <Simetrical>	Log rewrite?
[04:43:49] <robchurch>	Log formatting rewrite.
[04:44:10] <robchurch>	i.e. remove all the special-casing crap in LogPage::actionText(), ditto for LogPage::logLine()
[04:44:15] <Simetrical>	Yay.
[04:44:30] <robchurch>	and use the same code to format all log entries, so that you're not browsing recentchanges in a mishmash of languages
[04:45:13] <robchurch>	I *hope* that all that's left to do is update the message database with the changed messages.
[04:45:43] <robchurch>	I've got corresponding changes for Makebot, Newuserlog, Renameuser here, and some partial work for Makesysop.
[04:47:18] <robchurch>	I've stopped working in branches, merging is too much of a PITA. Instead, for things like this, I'm using multiple checkouts; easier to SVN up and merge conflicts.
[05:16:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mark edits in Special:Recentchanges with (top), as in Special: Contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8482  (10robchur)
[05:16:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Rendering of descriptions for shared images causes inappropriate image URLs for shared images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9087  (10robchur)
[05:18:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "redo" buttons, like the "undo" buttons, to re-revert good edits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11012  (10robchur)
[05:22:12] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25032 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ChangesList.php): Add a class to <strong> for watched links in change lists
[05:24:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:DoubleRedirects *removes* "fixed" items, breaking paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10985  summary (10robchur)
[05:29:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Categories hides categories having 0 current members - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10915  (10robchur)
[05:30:30] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25033 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php: French localisation update, c/o Bertrand GRONDIN
[05:30:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) add new french translation in /languages/messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11003  +comment (10robchur)
[05:35:52] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25034 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add links back to the image in deletion and reversion forms
[05:38:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Links on commons upload summaries do not link to commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10863  (10robchur)
[05:40:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) can't pass username with space to api.php ( and prolly other chars that don't work) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10854  (10robchur)
[05:43:29] <Simetrical>	Are there stock mocking responses to people attempting to solicit developers on Wikitech-l, or do we have to come up with them on a case-by-case basis?
[05:43:36] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Order of pages with Persian titles - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10846  +comment (10robchur)
[05:43:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  +comment (10robchur)
[05:44:04] <robchurch>	I don't think there are; there should be.
[05:44:17] <robchurch>	WikiMockery; the put-downs anyone can edit!
[05:44:45] <Simetrical>	Now, why the hell can't Linux shrink a mounted partition anyway?
[05:44:47] *Simetrical 	kicks it
[05:49:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikipedia-en fails to render html list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10878  04BLOCKER->normal (10robchur)
[05:50:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) can't pass username with space to api.php ( and prolly other chars that don't work) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10854  (10robchur)
[05:50:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) usernames passed to api.php are not normalized. lowercase first letter guarantees empty result set - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10855  (10robchur)
[06:07:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Move summary should display redirect page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10710  (10robchur)
[06:07:57] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Filtering Special:Allmessages by extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10709  (10robchur)
[06:09:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Interface links should always be configurable via their own messages ( as sidebar etc.) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10703  (10robchur)
[06:11:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category link tables sometimes contain orphaned entries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10667  summary (10robchur)
[06:18:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Initial letter case choice in transwiki import - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9943  (10robchur)
[06:21:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add auto-sumary to deletion of images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9657  (10robchur)
[06:27:09] <draz>	hi
[06:27:28] <CIA-1>	03raymond * r25035 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (22 files): 
[06:27:28] <CIA-1>	* Removing untranslated magic words
[06:27:28] <CIA-1>	* Removing outdated messages too/rebuilding file
[06:27:36] <draz>	is there anyone who use mediawiki with ldap (openldap) authentication?
[06:28:04] <draz>	(a non AD ldap server)
[06:42:04] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25036 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/OutputPage.php): (bug 9339) Use wfMsgExt() in OutputPage::showErrorPage() to avoid the old issue with incorrect/inconsistent message transformation and braces
[06:42:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  General error pages transform messages and parameters in the wrong order - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9339  summary; +comment (10robchur)
[06:42:40] <robchurch>	Why on Earth is pr_id not the PRIMARY KEY for page_restrictions?
[06:42:50] <robchurch>	There's some seriously funky index abuse going on.
[06:45:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:DoubleRedirects *removes* "fixed" items, breaking paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10985  +comment (10robchur)
[06:45:30] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Problem with Special:DoubleRedirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9263  +comment (10robchur)
[06:48:02] <draz>	help!
[07:08:24] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25037 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[07:08:24] <CIA-1>	(bug 10985) Special:DoubleRedirects was omitting "fixed" results when cached,
[07:08:24] <CIA-1>	leading to inconsistent paging behaviour - if the query is too expensive to run
[07:08:24] <CIA-1>	live, then it shouldn't be run in miser mode either (which is what was
[07:08:24] <CIA-1>	happening)
[07:08:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:DoubleRedirects *removes* "fixed" items, breaking paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10985  +comment (10robchur)
[07:09:44] <robchurch>	Should probably have mentioned that it was running once for each result, too.
[07:24:46] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25038 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Tweak comment; people seem to whine about this one, not reading past the mt_rand() bit, and criticising us...
[07:26:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #54, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11020 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (shinjiman)
[07:27:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #54, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11020  (10shinjiman)
[07:28:42] <the_dude>	hello! new user of mediawiki. i installed mediawiki, apache, mysql, php. my wiki is called wiki in the folder wamp\www\wiki. i would like to start a new wiki. how do i do this? thanxs for answers.
[07:31:49] <jpalko>	anybody using Extension:Group Based Access Control with mediawiki 1.6.10?
[07:44:46] <wikibugs>	14(WFM)  Translations of special pages names of extensions disables canonical names - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9038  (10robchur)
[07:59:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cached query page items seem to use fixed numbers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7875  +comment (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[07:59:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:DoubleRedirects *removes* "fixed" items, breaking paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10985  +comment (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[07:59:11] <cpilka>	which is admin's default password mediawiki setups?
[08:05:23] <cpilka>	hm, dumb question, but how to login as 'Admin'?
[08:05:52] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25039 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialStatistics.php): 
[08:05:52] <CIA-1>	* (bug 9026) Incorrect heading numbering when viewing Special:Statistics with "auto-numbered headings" enabled
[08:05:52] <CIA-1>	* Some minor cleanup and bits of refactoring
[08:06:24] <robchurch>	Log in as a user with sysop permissions.
[08:08:00] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25040 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialStatistics.php: 
[08:08:00] <CIA-1>	* Fix "most viewed" heading
[08:08:00] <CIA-1>	* Fix images in list
[08:08:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Auto numbering of headers not working correctly on Special: Statistics page. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9026  +comment (10robchur)
[08:13:27] <CIA-1>	03mkroetzsch * r25041 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (includes/SemanticToolbar/ skins/mw-skins/): Removed dead code
[08:17:32] <jpalko>	so, anybody using Extension:Group Based Access Control with mediawiki 1.6.10? as soon as I enable it, I only get a blank page when browsing to my test wiki
[08:17:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Links on commons upload summaries do not link to commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10863  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[08:29:25] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	robchurch :)
[08:29:27] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4421
[08:30:47] <robchurch>	I'm not touching that.
[08:31:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) More instances per field on templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10053  highest->normal (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[08:34:20] <draz>	no LDAP/wiki authentification user?
[08:34:27] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	robchurch awww
[08:36:02] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8279 <- that?
[08:41:47] <robchurch>	no
[08:43:26] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	robchurch what about dynamic dates?
[08:43:35] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	what was the status of that things internationalization
[08:43:43] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	aka [[2007-08-22]]
[08:52:08] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25042 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUpload.php): 
[08:52:08] <CIA-1>	* (bug 9002) Provide a "view/restore deleted edits" link on Special:Upload when a destination filename is provided that corresponds with previous deleted files
[08:52:08] <CIA-1>	* Fix various bits of invalid XHTML in Special:Upload
[08:55:56] <Web^Alt>	Hi all :-)
[08:56:02] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25043 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUpload.php: Whoops, fix up permission check so "deletedhistory" still works to view, etc.
[08:56:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add link to view/restore deleted edits on Special: Upload when a destination filename is provided - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9002  +comment (10robchur)
[08:56:47] <Web^Alt>	I have a question about mediawiki, i run a small wiki where i want a special block on the main page, with a list of all pages tagged with {{Please expand}}.
[08:57:45] <robchurch>	Probably what you're looking for there is a custom tag extension which obtains the list and formats it into a list of links, which you can then style with CSS.
[08:58:09] <Web^Alt>	Ok...
[08:58:20] <Web^Alt>	In the dutch wikipedia page, someone gave me this tag:
[08:58:20] <robchurch>	As to the question of actually getting a list of those pages, you can either add a category to the template, and obtain the list of pages from that category, *or* you can obtain a list of pages including that template.
[08:58:46] <Web^Alt>	{{Special:Newpages/100}}, which fetches a listwith the 100 recent articles
[08:58:49] <robchurch>	I would suggest the former is more reliable, as the other method relies on using link tables, which may contain more than "visible" template use.
[08:59:08] <robchurch>	Well, that's another option - an includable special page.
[08:59:27] <robchurch>	The benefit of that is that you can access it both as a special page (independent of any other page), or embed it into another page.
[08:59:42] <Web^Alt>	Yes...
[09:00:59] <Web^Alt>	The only problem is that i cant get \it b
[09:01:00] <Web^Alt>	brb
[09:12:32] <Sadik>	Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org
[09:13:43] <Sadik>	wiki search have no connection with the text entered. google search is more perfect.
[09:13:46] <Sadik>	http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%B0%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%AF%E0%B5%87%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%82:Search?ns0=1&ns100=1&search=%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8A%E0%B4%B1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF&fulltext=Search
[09:14:00] <Sadik>	http://www.google.com.qa/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aml.wikipedia.org+%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8A%E0%B4%B1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[09:14:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If page title contains Umlaut the link on edit page is wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10881  (10hj-meyer)
[09:14:47] <[Draicone]>	Sadik: That may be a problem with character encoding, ask a dev or submit a bug ticket
[09:16:10] <Sadik>	thanks
[09:17:14] <aton`>	does someone know an ircbot that announces latest changes in a wiki?
[09:20:24] <archivist>	aton`, you were given a link already
[09:20:38] <aton`>	archivist, sorry i didnt get that
[09:20:46] <aton`>	i searched my log but didnt find it
[09:21:07] <aton`>	perhaps i had a disconnect or so
[09:26:10] <archivist>	just trawling my log
[09:27:44] <Web^Alt>	Ok, back
[09:27:56] <archivist>	aton`,    https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/IRC
[09:30:19] <aton`>	thanks
[09:31:15] <aton`>	"Help fill out ..."
[09:31:19] <aton`>	worst german-english
[09:31:37] <aton`>	es heisst nicht fill out sondern fill in
[09:34:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021 04CRIT; highest; MediaWiki: Search; (sadik.khalid)
[09:35:30] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: fill in the blanks, but fill out the form...
[09:35:49] <Duesentrieb>	english is fun
[09:36:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021  04CRIT->normal; highest->normal (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[09:36:53] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	Sadik it isnt a critical bug
[09:40:58] <relix>	Hi
[09:41:21] <relix>	I was wondering if there's a way or plugin to create something like a "section" or a "directory" to put articles in
[09:41:51] <relix>	we're working on an API and would like to differentiate between the different versions of the API
[09:42:10] <Web^Alt>	I will come back to my problem later when i have more time. Thanks for nwo anyway.
[09:42:13] <Web^Alt>	Thanks for the time 
[09:42:18] <relix>	e.g. http://wiki.domain.tld/api/v1/Authorization
[09:42:28] <relix>	and http://wiki.domain.tld/api/v2/Authorization
[09:42:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[09:42:59] <relix>	atm I'm using article names like AuthorizationV1 and AuthorizationV2 but this is hardly comfortable
[09:43:03] <aton`>	Duesentrieb, fill out the form? very sure about that?
[09:43:08] <aton`>	i thought fill in the form
[09:44:11] <aton`>	archivist, on this page at the bottom, there is a possibility with netcat and irc2 described, which i'd like to use, dont i need any extension or so for that to work with my mediawiki?
[09:46:00] <archivist>	dunno read instruction on the page
[09:46:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021  (10shijualex)
[09:47:07] <Sadik>	Thanks (Raymond & Neko)
[09:47:09] <Sadik>	bye
[09:47:15] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	Sadik would you object if I add my bot to yur wiki
[09:47:21] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	ml wiki that is
[09:47:31] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	what is the process to get bot status?
[09:48:53] <Sadik>	You can request for bot status in User Talk:Vssun (we dont have bot request page now)
[09:49:34] <Sadik>	You are always welcome Neko
[09:49:48] <Sadik>	bye (I am late)
[09:49:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021  (10jacob.jose)
[09:51:28] <Sadik>	Neko here is the link http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User Talk:Vssun
[09:58:55] <aton`>	archivist, thats the problem it doesnt mention anything
[09:59:02] <aton`>	not even how the program is called
[10:01:14] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: you can make mediawiki send UDP packets for rc-events. you can then collect them using netcat, and pipe them to irssi or whatever.
[10:01:37] <archivist>	aton`, but it does you set the vars and it calls the port via udp 9390
[10:01:41] <aton`>	so mediawiki can send those udp packets 
[10:01:52] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: yes. see $wgRC2UDPAddress, $wgRC2UDPPort, and $wgRC2UDPPrefix
[10:01:53] <aton`>	without any extension
[10:01:57] <aton`>	nice
[10:02:02] <aton`>	didnt expect that 
[10:02:05] <aton`>	thank you
[10:02:18] <Duesentrieb>	it sucks actually. thsi stuff *should* be in an extension.
[10:02:44] <Duesentrieb>	but it was an early hack, specifically for wikipedia. long before the hook framework came along.
[10:04:44] <DerPapst>	hey all
[10:05:04] <DerPapst>	are there logs for this channel? i can't find any
[10:05:56] <robchurch>	google for <robchurch> what the fuck
[10:05:59] <robchurch>	you're bound to find a few
[10:08:06] <DerPapst>	heh
[10:08:22] <Dantman>	^_^ That's why I spent ages finding a good unique nickname never used before... (That, and I wanted to use it as a domain ^_^) Though, moving to a new name is tough when the main wiki you use has a shared user DB.
[10:08:29] <DerPapst>	so i take that as there aren't any official logs.
[10:10:41] <archivist>	there are people who log but dont publish
[10:11:18] <DerPapst>	bummer
[10:12:35] <archivist>	so a specific question may be answerable
[10:14:33] <aton`>	Fatal error: Call to undefined function socket_create()
[10:14:41] <aton`>	fuck, seems the provider disabled socket functions
[10:15:32] <robchurch>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/
[10:15:36] <robchurch>	You might try that
[10:16:02] <aton`>	robchurch, you mean me?
[10:16:08] <robchurch>	whoever wants channel logs
[10:16:15] <aton`>	i am not looking for an irc logger
[10:16:26] <aton`>	i am looking for a recent changes announcing irc bot
[10:16:37] <robchurch>	DerPapst was asking about logs of this channel.
[10:16:47] <aton`>	ah sorry
[10:17:17] <DerPapst>	robchurch: thanks :D
[10:22:31] <DerPapst>	Maybe someone can help me... i'm currently writing a CreateButton extension that allows the user to have an image as button too. It works nice so far but there is one issue left. I want to allow to use the wiki syntax for the image src but that doesn't work (yet?). This is an explanation of my problem: http://pastebin.ca/raw/666643 Anybody knows if there is a way to do that what i've described in the pastebin thingy?
[10:23:30] <robchurch>	You want to take the image name and get the thumbnail?
[10:23:51] <DerPapst>	would be perfect
[10:24:06] <robchurch>	Assuming MediaWiki 1.10.0+, look at filerepo/LocalFile.php - construct a file, transform it, get the URL out of the MediaTransformOutput
[10:26:13] <DerPapst>	i have mw 1.10.1 but i downloaded the tar.gz archive, not the svn repo. i can't that file there...
[10:26:28] <robchurch>	includes/filerepo/
[10:27:16] <DerPapst>	there is no filerepo dir in includes
[10:27:23] <robchurch>	urk
[10:27:28] <robchurch>	must have my versions wrong
[10:27:40] <robchurch>	in that case, look for Image
[10:27:51] <robchurch>	similar methods, if a bit less snazzy
[10:28:15] <DerPapst>	yupp. have it open
[10:31:12] <DerPapst>	can i make calles from my extension to image.php? it sounds a bit hackish.
[10:31:34] <DerPapst>	eh... too slow :P
[10:33:53] <wjlroe>	I have been searching for a while and haven't found any hints on how to include a list (bullet pointed) of the top level categories somewhere (link in the navigation bar for instance) - can anyone help me?
[10:39:50] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	TimStarling
[10:39:54] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	you around?
[10:39:59] <TimStarling>	yes
[10:40:21] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:DoubleRedirects&limit=1000&offset=0
[10:40:35] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	see the first 4 entries
[10:40:49] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	self redirects plain as day to a human
[10:40:54] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	but confuses bots
[10:41:38] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	I really think it would be best if such entries were somehow seperated
[10:41:56] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	btw thats the list after I ran my bot :)
[10:48:35] <TimStarling>	why does it confuse bots?
[10:55:07] <facefaceface>	dumb question here... A category limits views to 200 pages or images by default, any way to change that limit *per category*?
[10:55:26] <megaNET>	Help:
[10:55:27] <megaNET>	Warning: exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/matasg/domains/jke.hostingas.in/public_html/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1842
[10:55:46] <megaNET>	:)
[10:55:50] <facefaceface>	megaNET, its your php install
[10:55:55] <TimStarling>	facefaceface: sure, you could change the code
[10:56:18] <facefaceface>	TimStarling, note I said *any* way...
[10:56:42] <megaNET>	:) how? i'm not experienced
[10:57:00] <facefaceface>	megaNET, did you install php?
[10:57:05] <megaNET>	yes
[10:57:11] <megaNET>	http://jke.hostingas.in
[10:57:42] <facefaceface>	I am not an expert, but it sounds like 'safe mode' or something like that
[10:58:02] <TimStarling>	<facefaceface> TimStarling, note I said *any* way...
[10:58:08] <TimStarling>	changing the source code would count as a way
[10:58:10] <facefaceface>	you got me there
[11:00:39] <facefaceface>	hrm... I see its not even a pref...
[11:01:00] <facefaceface>	Ideally it would be 150 pages and only 50 images... but that would be a bit confusing
[11:01:18] <Yume-no-Neko>	I so ate my life
[11:01:26] <Yume-no-Neko>	TimStarling did you get my last msg?
[11:41:19] <CIA-1>	03kim * r25044 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiAttributes.php: 
[11:41:19] <CIA-1>	Bug found by Eric, sometimes it will have no previous viewinformation. Rather than null, it should use a
[11:41:19] <CIA-1>	blank viewinformation object. (Hopefully)
[11:47:06] <CIA-1>	03kim * r25045 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiAttributes.php: And bug out. (Don't debug while sleepy)
[11:48:43] <CIA-1>	03erik * r25046 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/DefinedMeaningModel.php: fix variable name
[11:50:08] <draz>	any wiki/ldap authentication user?
[11:53:34] <TimStarling>	charming... I tried setting the height of a VLC player object to zero, for an audio track, to get rid of the "no video" thing
[11:53:43] <TimStarling>	and it segfaulted and crashed firefox
[11:54:35] <robchurch>	Damn, I've just missed TimStarling's reading of The Three Little Pigs, haven't I?
[11:54:41] <Dantman|FS>	Won't you be glad when HTML5 is standard? ^_^
[11:54:47] <TimStarling>	<TimStarling> charming... I tried setting the height of a VLC player object to zero, for an audio track, to get rid of the "no video" thing
[11:55:05] <robchurch>	:(
[11:55:21] <TimStarling>	Dantman|FS: HTML 5 can't legislate against the presence of bugs
[11:55:35] <robchurch>	Nor older browsers which don't support it.
[11:56:23] <TimStarling>	opera's alpha <video> tag build crashed on me a couple of times as well
[11:56:54] <robchurch>	It's a good job we've got you, Tim.
[11:57:02] <robchurch>	A lesser man would have cried like a girl if his browser segfaulted.
[11:57:39] *facefaceface 	cries like a girl
[12:06:50] <DerPapst>	robchurch: how can i call functions from the image class in my extension? is that possible at all?
[12:10:55] <robchurch>	You can.
[12:11:43] <DerPapst>	cool :) can you tell me how please?
[12:11:53] <robchurch>	$image->method();
[12:12:13] <DerPapst>	ah. thank you
[12:44:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Closing of Herero Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10690  (10triyork)
[12:50:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Whatlinkshere page <TITLE> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11022 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[12:51:34] <asymingt>	hi there. does anybody know how to configure the texvc math plugig so that all equations have the same font size
[12:51:42] <asymingt>	*plugin
[12:54:54] <asymingt>	oh gosh i finally found the answer
[12:55:04] <asymingt>	you add a \,\! to the tex script
[12:55:05] <asymingt>	:)
[12:55:11] <asymingt>	hope that helps somebody
[12:55:14] <asymingt>	:D
[12:59:03] <Flexman>	hi
[12:59:25] <Flexman>	are there any problems known with mediawiki 1.6 and php 4.x?
[12:59:34] <draz>	anybody use mediawiki with a LDAP authentication?
[12:59:44] <Flexman>	i often have to klick reload several times to get a page
[13:03:20] <Flexman>	otherwise i often get an empty page
[13:10:45] <Flexman>	carambe
[13:11:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Specialpages' links of known disappointment - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11023 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[13:17:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) deadendpagestext in MessagesZh_tw.php has a doubled word - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11024 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni)
[13:22:34] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25047 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialPage.php): (bug 11023) Don't register Special:Upload as a special page when uploads are disabled
[13:22:58] *Flexman 	slaps everyone.
[13:24:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Specialpages' links of known disappointment - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11023  (10robchur)
[13:26:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Specialpages: divulge total count - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11025 minor; lowest; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[13:28:57] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25048 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): 
[13:28:57] <CIA-1>	Tweak "invalid special page" message a bit - tempted to add, e.g. "Some special
[13:28:57] <CIA-1>	pages might be unavailable if certain software features are disabled, and some
[13:28:57] <CIA-1>	special pages are provided via extensions, and thus not available on all wikis."
[13:28:57] <CIA-1>	-- what do we think?
[13:29:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Specialpages: divulge total count - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11025  (10robchur)
[13:31:12] <Flexman>	we think that this is #idle
[13:35:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Installation-form does not appear, unable to install MediaWiki 1.10.1 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11013  (10N/A)
[13:37:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Specialpages: divulge total count - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11025  (10jidanni)
[13:40:34] <CIA-1>	03tstarling * r25049 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (CategoryPage.php ImageGallery.php Parser.php): 
[13:40:34] <CIA-1>	In ImageGallery:
[13:40:34] <CIA-1>	* Split "is parsing" and "respect bad images" concepts.
[13:40:34] <CIA-1>	* Call media handler parser hook
[13:40:34] <CIA-1>	* Use the $linkAttribs parameter instead of putting an <a> tag around the whole media output.
[13:48:41] <DerPapst>	robchurch: thank you for your help. i got it working now :D
[13:50:56] <CIA-1>	03tstarling * r25050 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (4 files): 
[13:50:56] <CIA-1>	* Fix handling of $linkAttribs=false
[13:50:56] <CIA-1>	* UI tweaks, not yet finalised: (none) option in player select, icon for audio
[13:50:56] <CIA-1>	* (Bug 10950) Leave some vertical space in embedded objects for controls, for plugins where controls are likely to be added.
[13:50:56] <CIA-1>	* Use innerHTML extensively, since document.createElement('object') is broken on several browsers.
[13:52:13] <CIA-1>	03tstarling * r25051 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (cortado-ovt-debug-0.2.2.1-patched.jar cortado-tweak.diff): Patch by Brion to make Cortado to work with multiple instances on a page.
[13:58:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MessagesEn.php watchlist hacked vs. Specialpage... - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11026 trivial; low; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[14:02:32] <cisox>	Does mediawiki provide the 'Email new password' functionality by default or is that an extension of some sort?
[14:02:43] <Jack_Phoenix>	it's there by default
[14:03:33] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) MessagesEn.php watchlist hacked vs. Specialpage... - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11026  +comment (10robchur)
[14:04:05] <robchurch>	"If the functionality of loading modules is not available (see Note) or has been disabled (either by turning it off enable_dl or by enabling safe mode  in php.ini) an E_ERROR is emitted and execution is stopped."
[14:04:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #54, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11020  +comment (10shinjiman)
[14:05:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Randomredirect: no way offered to pick what namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11027 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[14:05:14] <cisox>	So as a Sysop/Bureaucrat how do I reset someone's password?
[14:05:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	ergh
[14:05:33] <Jack_Phoenix>	that would be something an extension had to do
[14:05:49] <Jack_Phoenix>	see, for example, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset
[14:06:15] <cisox>	Jack_Phoenix: Thanks a lot
[14:06:21] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[14:11:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) MessagesEn.php watchlist hacked vs. Specialpage... - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11026  +comment (10jidanni)
[14:11:10] <robchurch>	I'm wondering if it might be cleaner to just do function_exists() on each of the appropriate methods.
[14:20:51] <wknight8111>	a
[14:25:35] <zigwhentheyzag>	how complex of a route am I looking at to manually override the mysql table referred to for user data?
[14:26:24] <robchurch>	You may well get off lightly.
[14:27:00] <zigwhentheyzag>	how lightly?
[14:28:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #54, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11020  +comment (10shinjiman)
[14:28:14] <zigwhentheyzag>	I've scoured the SpecialUserlogin and SpecialUserlogoff files hoping to catch a lead, but have come up empty
[14:28:23] <robchurch>	Have a look at the $wgSharedDB options - see includes/DefaultSettings.php
[14:30:46] <zigwhentheyzag>	the gist of what I got from the mediawiki.org documentation I was under the impression that I need to have the same table prefix for the remainder of each wiki as I do for the shared user table
[14:31:01] <zigwhentheyzag>	am I off on that note?
[14:33:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:DoubleRedirects *removes* "fixed" items, breaking paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10985  (10thomas.dalton)
[14:36:09] <zigwhentheyzag>	If that wasn't clear, I have multiple language wikis, with tables starting with the lanugage prefix (ie. fr for French etc.). To my understanding of the documentation, as long as I'm on the same database server, I would have to run each wiki in its own database with the same table prefixes in each database, with one particular database table then being referred to for user information
[14:38:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) title=Special:Listusers missing from URL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11028 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[14:45:21] <zigwhentheyzag>	considering everything you know about the mediawiki code, hypothetically speaking, how much of a hack would you guesstimate I'm looking at to develop and implement a $wgSharedUserTable global rob? And where might you recommend I start poking around?
[14:45:43] <robchurch>	I would recommend you hack Database::tableName.
[14:46:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Statistics link to Special:Listusers&group= sysop better - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11029 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[14:46:19] <zigwhentheyzag>	I'll take a peak under the hood and see how in over my head I get
[14:46:22] <zigwhentheyzag>	thanks Rob
[14:48:01] <brion-office>	zigwhentheyzag: are you thinking of $wgSharedDatabase ?
[14:48:35] <brion-office>	or are you doing something weird?
[14:48:49] <zigwhentheyzag>	brion-office: regarding comments further above? that's what I was looking at
[14:48:59] <brion-office>	yeah, poke in tableName
[14:50:19] <zigwhentheyzag>	that's where I'm at, we'll see how far I get
[14:56:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) title=Special:Listusers missing from URL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11028  (10robchur)
[14:58:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021  +comment (10vssun9)
[15:00:52] <Monk33>	Can anyone see why this line http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72568 is giving me a PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined method SpecialPage::addpage() ?
[15:01:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	extensions/mwbb/SpecialPm.php ?
[15:01:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	I guess that shouldn't be there...then again, my PHP causes erros too
[15:01:42] <CIA-1>	03rainman * r25052 10/trunk/lucene-search-2/src/org/wikimedia/lsearch/ (analyzers/WikiQueryParser.java test/WikiQueryParserTest.java): Fix bug 11021. Query parser was splitting up words on combining characters.
[15:01:44] <Jack_Phoenix>	so ask someone like Brion or Tim :)
[15:01:47] <Monk33>	i puts my whole site down
[15:02:16] <Monk33>	well i have the same extension installed on my playground domain and it works just fine there.
[15:03:18] <Monk33>	so it may sth about hooks or monobook?
[15:03:42] <brion-office>	1) some context?
[15:03:49] <Monk33>	extensions/mwbb/SpecialPm.php: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72569
[15:03:49] <brion-office>	2) i think you're not supposed to call that directly anymore
[15:04:37] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi brion, Jack_Phoenix 
[15:04:43] <Monk33>	but as said the extension files are the same as on my other wiki
[15:04:46] <Jack_Phoenix>	hiho Sundance_Raphael :)
[15:05:40] <brion-office>	offhand you're probably calling it before SpecialPage is loaded and before everything's been set up fully
[15:05:42] <CIA-1>	03robchurch * r25053 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES config/index.php install-utils.inc): 
[15:05:42] <CIA-1>	(bug 11013) Make sure dl() is available before attempting to use it to check
[15:05:42] <CIA-1>	available databases in installer...this detection code is quite crap and could
[15:05:42] <CIA-1>	do with some work; got a partial patch, but a few bits (the UI, JavaScript) are
[15:05:42] <CIA-1>	broken...committing this to fix the *immediate* problem
[15:08:01] <Monk33>	hmh just tried with the original unchanged extension files and it's the same. so what could be the diffrence between my two wiki installations?
[15:08:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Code quality issues (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700  (10robchur)
[15:08:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Installer database driver detection needs rewriting for robustness - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11013  summary; +comment (10robchur)
[15:09:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021  +comment (10rainman)
[15:10:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Installer database driver detection needs rewriting for robustness - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11013  (10robchur)
[15:10:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Installer database driver detection needs rewriting for robustness - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11013   +patch (10robchur)
[15:12:02] <Monk33>	WORKS NOW! :D  just used the includes/SpecialPage.php of my working wiki installation
[15:12:04] <Monk33>	phew :D
[15:12:20] <robchurch>	brion: config/index.php is a mess
[15:12:23] <robchurch>	Someone's butchered our baby.
[15:13:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021  (10jacob.jose)
[15:14:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Installer database driver detection needs rewriting for robustness - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11013  (10robchur)
[15:17:24] <brion-office>	our bbaaabbbbyyyy nnnooooo
[15:17:41] <Kaabii>	Eh?
[15:19:32] <zigwhentheyzag>	brion: the user table hack worked
[15:19:37] <zigwhentheyzag>	just a few lines of code
[15:19:37] <brion-office>	yay
[15:19:49] <zigwhentheyzag>	ought I post it somewhere?
[15:20:05] <zigwhentheyzag>	can't say I'm too familiar with dev projects
[15:20:16] <zigwhentheyzag>	sorry to here about the config/index.php btw
[15:20:53] <gtodd_>	is there a big mediawiki development conference somewhere each year
[15:20:55] <gtodd_>	?
[15:21:08] <brion-office>	gtodd_: we hang at wikimania
[15:21:12] <brion-office>	which was in taipei a couple weeks ago
[15:21:15] <gtodd_>	cool
[15:21:18] <brion-office>	next year's location isn't decided yet
[15:21:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021  (10shijualex)
[15:21:43] <Kaabii>	k...
[15:22:23] <gtodd_>	taipei!!
[15:23:01] <gtodd_>	wonder where it is in 2008
[15:23:53] <brion-office>	so do we!
[15:26:30] *rainman-sr 	hopes for international space station
[15:27:08] <agaran>	rainman-sr: at first station must be little bit larger ;)
[15:27:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search problem in ml.wikipedia.org (malayalam) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021  (10jacob.jose)
[15:31:33] <Kaabii>	Where can I download themes for mediawiki?
[15:34:54] <Monk33>	where is the <pre> tag layout defined? i want to change the font but it's not in monobook/main.css
[15:36:28] <zigwhentheyzag>	Monk33 check common.css
[15:37:26] <Monk33>	yay :)
[15:37:35] <zigwhentheyzag>	good stuff :)
[15:38:41] <zigwhentheyzag>	brion: I've updated the mediawiki documentation with the usertable hack here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSharedDB#Details Not sure if it's worthy of implementation into the project
[15:38:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Patrollist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11030 15enhancement; lowest; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[15:39:00] <zigwhentheyzag>	I certainly find it useful
[15:39:21] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Closing of Herero Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10690  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:40:41] <Monk33>	zig: hmh can't seem to find it. the font is Courier New but not defined in main or commen
[15:41:00] <Monk33>	ctrl+f > Cour should find it?
[15:41:39] <Kaabii>	Where can I download themes for mediawiki?
[15:43:49] <Monk33>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles
[15:43:52] <brion-office>	Monk33: that'll be 'monospace' default
[15:43:56] <brion-office>	and it's probably defined in the browser ;)
[15:44:15] <Kaabii>	thanks
[15:44:26] <Monk33>	ok i just want pre tu use the default font as on the article
[15:44:42] <brion-office>	zigwhentheyzag: thanks, i'm sure some will find that useful
[15:44:47] <brion-office>	all kinds of weird configs out there :)
[15:45:27] <zigwhentheyzag>	no doubt
[15:45:48] <jimbojw>	Kaabii: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles
[15:45:57] <jimbojw>	oh, nevermind
[15:46:56] <Monk33>	cannot find monospace anywhere
[15:48:07] <zigwhentheyzag>	Monk33: have you tried defining your pre tags followed by !important in your main.css?
[15:49:24] <Monk33>	not yet. but what is the default font for articles?
[15:49:42] <CIA-1>	03rotem * r25054 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Use actual arrows, not entities.
[15:50:18] <Monk33>	font-family: Times, "Times New Roman", serif; i guess
[15:50:19] <jimbojw>	Monk33: pre { font-family: sans-serif; }
[15:50:58] <jimbojw>	assuming you're using monobook skin
[15:52:13] <Monk33>	oh hey jimbojw. works! Martin aka Subfader here. will you have a workaround of Extension:ArticleComments soon? I play to go live with it asap
[15:52:27] <jimbojw>	workaround?
[15:52:50] <Monk33>	dunno the correct word. i made some suggestions on the discussion page
[15:52:53] <jimbojw>	you mean to embed it on every page?
[15:52:59] <Monk33>	yeah :)
[15:53:05] <jimbojw>	just a sec
[15:53:08] <Monk33>	that's my primary problem
[15:54:52] <jimbojw>	the easiest way is to hack your skin, and add <?php displayArticleCommentForm(); ?> wherever you want the form to appear
[15:55:19] <jimbojw>	you'll also have to set the $wgArticleCommentsNSDisplayList variable in your LocalSettings to be an array of whichever namespaces you want to show the comment form for
[15:55:32] <jimbojw>	so if you want MAIN only, you'd do: $wgArticleCommentsNSDisplayList = array(NS_MAIN)
[15:55:39] <CIA-1>	03rotem * r25055 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[15:56:12] <Monk33>	well, i want it at the very end of every MAIN page
[15:56:23] <jimbojw>	btw - you may want to have a look at Duesentrieb's excellent TalkHere extensions: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TalkHere
[15:56:25] <CIA-1>	03tstarling * r25056 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggPlayer.js: 
[15:56:25] <CIA-1>	* (Bug 10949) Fixed java detection
[15:56:25] <CIA-1>	* Fixed a bug with the VLC IE embedding.
[15:56:35] <jimbojw>	it may be closer to what you want out-of-the-box
[15:58:29] <Monk33>	i tested and TalkHere and find it not very useful cos it doesn't seperate the comments from eachother and doesn't include the signature by default
[15:58:48] <CIA-1>	03raymond * r25057 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: optional comments added, proper formatting
[15:58:55] <Monk33>	my visitors are all non-wiki heads so I cannot ask them to do so.
[15:59:55] <jimbojw>	i see
[16:01:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ogg files display player controls in Special: Newimages and <gallery> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11031 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: OggHandler; (brion)
[16:02:50] <Web^Trainz>	<-- that's my nick.
[16:03:03] <WebHawk>	<-- And that's better :-)
[16:03:31] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	Sadik you around
[16:03:35] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	I am having a head ache here
[16:03:52] <WebHawk>	Take some aspirine?
[16:04:03] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	I dont understand malay
[16:06:29] <TimStarling>	brion: you're using quicktime from mozilla, right?
[16:07:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Patrollist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11030  (10jidanni)
[16:08:10] <brion-office>	TimStarling: firefox 2 on mac, yes
[16:08:25] <brion-office>	w/ ogg handling plugins for quicktime enabled
[16:08:34] <TimStarling>	right...
[16:08:48] <brion-office>	i've seen the same effect for quicktime in safari on other sites
[16:08:52] <brion-office>	and in ff
[16:09:55] <TimStarling>	so I suppose if you go to about:plugins, and search for application/ogg, it will be quicktime that is claiming that mime type?
[16:10:06] <brion-office>	sec
[16:10:17] <TimStarling>	"QuickTime Plug-in 7.2" or something like that, in the <h2>
[16:10:31] <brion-office>	yep
[16:10:41] <brion-office>	it's claimin gapplication/x-ogg and application/ogg amonst others
[16:11:23] <brion-office>	and thanks for the java detection fix -- i can confirm it's working (java disabled on my linux box, still works on the mac :)
[16:12:40] <brion-office>	i just wish i could figure out why one of these vidoe things is throwing lighty into 100% cpu loop :P
[16:12:53] <TimStarling>	ok, I'm installing XiphQT
[16:13:31] <brion-office>	interesting; when i kill firefox it goes away
[16:17:19] <WebHawk>	Hi, i have a small question, with this tag: {{Special:Newpages/100}} you get a list with the 100 last new pages. I want a list with the last N pages in a category...
[16:17:55] <WebHawk>	Does anyone knows how do i get this?
[16:18:11] <Monk33>	jimbojw: I made it appear but ProcessComment fails. Sorry, the article "$1" is not accepting comments at this time
[16:20:10] <brion-office>	fascinating
[16:20:20] <brion-office>	1) load with totem plugin
[16:20:24] <brion-office>	2) switch away to another page
[16:20:31] <brion-office>	3) watch CPU usage peg at 100% on lighty
[16:20:49] <brion-office>	and the plugin stops working too
[16:20:56] <brion-office>	yay shitty totem plugin
[16:20:58] <Monk33>	I added your line once before and another time under <!-- end content --> in monobook
[16:21:42] <jimbojw>	ah, sorry Monk33 you also need NS_TALK in your list in LocalSettings - so array(NS_MAIN, NS_TALK)
[16:24:48] <VoiceOfAll>	brion-office: :)
[16:24:50] <Monk33>	alright :) now how can i make it add <comments />{{:{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}}}  not just <comments /> to have the comments displayed on the page?
[16:24:55] <VoiceOfAll>	when is 1.11 released?
[16:25:18] <CIA-1>	03brion * r25058 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialPage.php): Revert r25047 -- produces confusing, useless behavior when going to Special:Upload instead of displaying the useful message that you have to enable uploads.
[16:25:33] <jimbojw>	Monk33: that's not something that I've developed - without coding, it is at the moment impossible
[16:25:47] <WeHawk>	.
[16:25:54] <jimbojw>	however, TalkHere does that quite well, so it may suit your needs better (be easier to hack to get what you want)
[16:26:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Specialpages' links of known disappointment - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11023  (10brion)
[16:27:01] <brion-office>	Notice: Undefined property: LocalFileDeleteBatch::$repo in /opt/web/pages/trunk/includes/filerepo/LocalFile.php on line 1306
[16:27:01] <brion-office>	Fatal error: Call to a member function getZoneUrl() on a non-object in /opt/web/pages/trunk/includes/filerepo/LocalFile.php on line 1306
[16:27:05] <brion-office>	ok that's still a problem dudes
[16:27:15] <brion-office>	i kind of need to be able to delete files from the wiki :)
[16:27:57] <VoiceOfAll>	could have been nickj's fault
[16:28:12] <Monk33>	ohhh :(  TalkHere cannot be modiefied much and is not made for non-wiki visitors. but from my understanding the system now thinks there is " <comments /> " at the end of the page so " <comments />{{:{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}}} " shouldn't be any harder :)
[16:28:18] <VoiceOfAll>	brion-office: I've tested deleted many times (while working on revisiondelete)
[16:28:24] <VoiceOfAll>	worked perfect a while ago
[16:28:46] <brion-office>	well id doesn't work the last few days
[16:28:49] <brion-office>	*it
[16:28:53] <Jack_Phoenix>	VoiceOfAll: how's revisiondelete coming along? Will it be included in 1.11? :)
[16:28:54] <VoiceOfAll>	id?
[16:28:57] <VoiceOfAll>	no
[16:29:01] <VoiceOfAll>	1.12
[16:29:06] <Monk33>	or maybe there is a way that <comments />{{:{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}}} is added as real text at the end of each article?
[16:29:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	good to know, thank you :)
[16:29:22] <VoiceOfAll>	we are behind in release, it's not the time for branch merges
[16:29:31] <VoiceOfAll>	fixes and minor stuff only
[16:30:42] <VoiceOfAll>	brion-office: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/RepoGroup.php?r1=23531&r2=24969&sortby=date
[16:30:57] <VoiceOfAll>	what is going on?
[16:32:20] <CIA-1>	03tstarling * r25059 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/LocalFile.php: Fixed typo in LocalFileDeleteBatch::execute() which was causing complete breakage when squid was enabled.
[16:32:35] <TimStarling>	does it work now?
[16:38:04] <WeHawk>	On my wiki i have a template, {{please_expand}}, which asks people to expand the article.
[16:38:04] <WeHawk>	I want a small list on the frontpage which shows all (or N) pages that have included the template. The list itself can be found by going to the template and then hit references in the toolbox, but i want that list in a block on my main page...
[16:38:37] <WeHawk>	Is there anyone that knows a tag or function to get that list in a template itself?
[16:39:54] <WeHawk>	brb
[16:41:24] <CIA-1>	03erik * r25060 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (SpecialDatasearch.php Transaction.php): don't execute code when special page doesn't get run
[16:41:38] <brion-office>	looking better TimStarling
[16:42:30] <brion-office>	whee thx
[16:42:44] <jimbojw>	Monk33: you said: "from my understanding the system now thinks there is " <comments /> " at the end of the page so " <comments />{{:{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}}} " shouldn't be any harder :)" - this is not the case, by adding the displayArticleCommentsForm() to your skin, you're telling the extension to render the comments - for reference the <comments /> tag makes a similar call - to embed...
[16:42:46] <jimbojw>	...the contents of the page requires looking up that content and rendering it out - which requires coding
[16:43:11] <jimbojw>	*to embed the contents of the Talk page that is
[16:44:50] <jimbojw>	Monk33: your feature requests are for the most part valid, but I'm not currently motivated to implement them - busy doing other things
[16:46:38] <Monk33>	i can understand that :) so it's def not possible to have <comments />{{:{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}}} added on all articles? Can I not include that in monobook somewhere so it is added as page text? i mean i can include google ads but not this?
[16:47:41] <CIA-1>	03brion * r25061 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (OggHandler.php OggHandler_body.php): add a version bump variable for the js
[16:48:22] <brion-office>	no change in cortado svn trunk, no
[16:48:31] <brion-office>	lemme see if i can do a non-debug build though :)
[16:50:54] <brion-office>	VoiceOfAll: those little tweaks nickj does are so it doesn't set local variables which never get used
[16:51:14] <brion-office>	he runs the static code analysis tool from zend studio or sth on the codebase to look for potential bugs
[16:51:21] <brion-office>	and stuff like that trips it up, hiding real bugs ;)
[16:51:35] <brion-office>	you can just leave out bits you don't care about in list()
[16:51:44] <brion-office>	the commenting makes it clearer what they are tho
[16:52:41] <rjwill>	hello all
[16:53:15] <rjwill>	has anyone successfully implemented any expernal auth types into their mediawiki
[16:53:48] <rjwill>	i've been trying some of the ones in the mediawiki wiki but they aren't working for me
[16:55:31] <CIA-1>	03brion * r25062 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (3 files): Swapping out the debug build of cortado for a stripped build; saves about 70k of client download
[16:56:20] <brion-office>	TimStarling: the build without theora support shaves off another 40k or so. dunno if it's be worth including both and downloading the audio-only one for audio hits
[16:57:49] <brion-office>	TimStarling: i'm somewhat concerned in general about page caching behavior with the player stuff
[16:58:05] <brion-office>	right now the cortado jar name is embedded in the image page output, for instance
[16:58:30] <brion-office>	which could potentially be squid-cached for some time, even after we've changed the backend versions present
[17:00:39] <jimbojw>	Monk33: anything is possible - my claim that it wasn't possible without coding ;) - in your Monobook, the following *might* work: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72574
[17:01:04] <jimbojw>	it's hacky - and I only tested in MW 1.9.3
[17:01:29] <_TimLaqua>	Anyone have feelings on the FCKEditor Extension from the FCK guys?
[17:01:56] <_TimLaqua>	It needs work for sure, but it seems like a pretty solid idea.
[17:02:17] <brion-office>	we'll see :)
[17:02:20] *brion-office 	lunchhhhh
[17:02:46] <_TimLaqua>	;-)  further, is anyone actually working w/ them on it?
[17:03:06] <Pinky|Away>	how do you add a new language file to a wiki?
[17:03:22] <zocky>	is there any way to list interwiki links to a certain page?
[17:03:34] <Monk33>	my wiki is so much tweaked, that won't hurt much. trying
[17:03:50] <Geo24>	brion-office: have you seen http://www.softlab.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html ?
[17:04:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Patrollist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11030  (10robchur)
[17:04:42] <Platonides>	sure, it was posted on wikitech-l
[17:04:43] <danimo>	hio
[17:04:53] <Pinky|Away>	like, do you just add a new file into /messages/languages ?
[17:05:15] <Monk33>	uh it doubles all the pages :)
[17:07:19] <Monk33>	ok thanks. i will try to find another way soon. if not i add it to new articles and ask others to edit the article and add the code (with Extension:AddButton) to add it at the end the page if they want to leave a comment
[17:07:48] <jimbojw>	what do you mean it doubles the pages?
[17:07:58] <Monk33>	all pages are doubled
[17:08:06] <jimbojw>	what version of MediaWiki are you using?
[17:08:33] <jimbojw>	oh
[17:08:39] <jimbojw>	don't paste that whole thign
[17:08:52] <jimbojw>	i added the first two lines just to show you *where* to put the rest
[17:09:17] <jimbojw>	so after <!-- start content --> and the next line, then add that PHP block
[17:09:33] <Monk33>	http://subfader.de/wiki/index.php/TEST_PAGE
[17:09:58] <Monk33>	my playground wiki. not the one i want to add the extension on
[17:10:33] <jimbojw>	mm hmm - did you read my comment above
[17:10:47] <jimbojw>	regarding the code snippet?
[17:11:14] <jimbojw>	only paste in the stuff after the $this->html('bodytext') line
[17:11:39] <jimbojw>	if $this->html('bodytext') appears twice in your Monobook, the of course the bodytext is going to appear twice ;)
[17:12:38] <jimbojw>	there you go
[17:12:45] <Monk33>	ME DUMBASS :D seems to work exactly as i wanted now WHOA
[17:13:20] <CIA-1>	03raymond * r25063 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[17:13:20] <CIA-1>	* (bug 11020) Update Chinese translations
[17:13:20] <CIA-1>	* (bug 11024) typo
[17:13:20] <CIA-1>	 Patches by Shinjiman
[17:13:31] <danimo>	why would I get "Warning: require_once(install-utils.inc) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in..." if install-utils.inc is reported to be in include_path? (happens during setup)
[17:13:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #54, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11020  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[17:14:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) deadendpagestext in MessagesZh_tw.php has a doubled word - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11024  trivial->normal; lowest->normal; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[17:14:17] <jimbojw>	ideally, there should probably just be an extension to concatenate the talk page contents onto the main page contents prior to storing in the parser cache - that way there would be no need for Monobook hacking, and people who want this functionality (in combination with any type of editor) could get it
[17:14:22] <Monk33>	super dope!!!!!!!!! i'll add it as example page once i went live with it on my website. excitin! thank you soooo much
[17:14:30] <jimbojw>	np
[17:15:47] <Monk33>	there should be such an extension existing alredy or be created by someone?
[17:16:15] <danimo>	anyone?
[17:16:16] <Monk33>	doesn't exist yet ok
[17:18:13] <jimbojw>	Monk33: what I'm saying is someone should create such an extension ... but not me, right now this second
[17:18:45] <_TimLaqua>	*someone else*.  ;-)
[17:18:48] <jimbojw>	it's an easy extension to make in terms of lines of code (as demonstrated by the hack version) - it's just a matter of figureing wherein the codebase to hook it
[17:18:56] <jimbojw>	_TimLaqua: correct :)
[17:19:05] <Nikerabbit>	<b>Notice</b>:  Undefined property:  TranslateCore::$mAllMessagesLoaded in <b>/home/nike/public_html/dev/includes/MessageCache.php</b> on line <b>675</b><br />
[17:19:08] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[17:19:42] <dtolj>	for days i was trying to get authentication working using LdapAuthentication plugin, i keep getting a binding error
[17:19:55] <_TimLaqua>	I love teh LDAP Auth Extension
[17:20:02] <dtolj>	and i have encryption disabled
[17:20:05] <jimbojw>	danimo: that means it can't find the incldue file for some reason - not sure why - can you confirm that the inc file is there on the filepath
[17:20:19] <jimbojw>	meaning in the filesystem directly
[17:20:32] <danimo>	absolutely, it says so in the errror message and I positively checked that its actually there
[17:20:40] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: did you manage to set it up right?
[17:20:43] <aton`>	is there a possibility to remove the small picture next to external links via css?
[17:20:55] <_TimLaqua>	Anyone running Vista+TortoiseSVN?
[17:21:03] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, yeah
[17:21:22] <Nikerabbit>	ahha
[17:21:46] <_TimLaqua>	aton`, yeah, look at skins/monobook/main.css
[17:22:06] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: ok is it legal to put $wgLDAPSearchStrings = array("example"=>"IPofAD\\USER-NAME");
[17:22:07] <_TimLaqua>	just override the CSS3 defs where they set those icons.
[17:22:08] <aton`>	thanks _TimLaqua 
[17:23:07] <dtolj>	This is where the binding fails??
[17:23:12] <jimbojw>	danimo: maybe it's the permssions? what operating system are you using?
[17:23:22] <danimo>	jimbojw: linux
[17:23:53] <danimo>	jimbojw: all at least readable
[17:24:05] <danimo>	(755)
[17:24:12] <aton`>	_TimLaqua, the file is somewhat big, where should i look?
[17:24:20] <jimbojw>	ya - i was about to suggest 644, but that's cool
[17:24:29] <jimbojw>	have you installed MediaWiki before on this box?
[17:24:32] <aton`>	_TimLaqua, as i have no idea for what to look
[17:24:43] <_TimLaqua>	ok, on the LDAP thing atm, 1sec.
[17:24:58] <jimbojw>	aton`: what are you trying to do?
[17:25:13] <_TimLaqua>	he's trying to hide the CSS3 external link icon
[17:25:24] <danimo>	jimbojw: there is a rewrite rule active in apache, so I can use the wiki without any /wiki, but that shouldn't affect php include pathes..
[17:25:37] <jimbojw>	oh - lemme take a look for that _TimLaqua 
[17:26:34] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72579
[17:26:49] <jimbojw>	danimo: well, require() and require_once() in PHP are relative to where the file is being executed from - so maybe the file is being executed from a different location? i'm not an expert on redirects, but your supposition that it shouldn't affect the path seems correct
[17:27:01] <aton`>	i am trying to switch of the small picture next to an external link (only this very link) on my wiki
[17:27:11] <jimbojw>	is the full path to the file it couldn't fine available in the error message?
[17:27:12] <_TimLaqua>	oop, just for one link?
[17:27:15] <_TimLaqua>	not all of them?
[17:27:21] <aton`>	only for one
[17:27:34] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: thanks
[17:27:39] <jimbojw>	aton`: then you should put it in a <span class="plainlinks">
[17:27:46] <aton`>	ah thanks
[17:27:46] <Pinky|Away>	can anyone tell me how to add a new language to a wiki?
[17:27:47] <danimo>	jimbojw: it's all absolute paths
[17:27:54] <_TimLaqua>	that turns it off, you want to change it or turn it off?
[17:28:17] <jimbojw>	i think he was trying to switch it off
[17:28:21] <_TimLaqua>	ah
[17:30:01] <jimbojw>	aton`: if you're going to be doing that alot, you may want to create a template, vis-a-vis {{a|http://some.url somewhere}} - with [[Template:A]] containing "<span class='plainlinks'>[{{{1}}}]</span>"
[17:30:29] <aton`>	jimbojw, i am only doing it 2 or 3 times, for some spider trap
[17:30:34] <aton`>	i want some very invisible link
[17:30:47] <jimbojw>	ah
[17:30:52] <aton`>	so that users dont click on it accidentally
[17:31:00] <aton`>	so i remove the picture and make it the color of the background
[17:31:07] <aton`>	and just a "." (period)
[17:32:15] <jimbojw>	<span class="plainlinks" style="color:white">[url spidertrap]</span>
[17:32:44] <jimbojw>	you could also give it an ID and use common.js to programmatically make it display:none 
[17:33:07] <jimbojw>	that way only spiders that interpret javascript (if there are any) would be clever enough not to follow the link
[17:34:44] <^demon>	Does MW log IPs for log entries?
[17:37:23] <TimStarling>	I'm trying to work out if it's possible to test for ogg support in quicktime in IE
[17:40:02] <aton`>	<span class="plainlinks"> does not work
[17:40:12] <aton`>	jimbojw, it just keeps showing the small graphic
[17:40:38] <CIA-1>	03nikerabbit * r25064 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesKo.php): * Updates to Korean (ko) by Klutzy
[17:40:49] <jimbojw>	that's odd - what version of MW are you using?
[17:40:58] <aton`>	1.10 i think
[17:41:06] <jimbojw>	hmm
[17:41:34] <aton`>	http://rafb.net/p/tNDyA892.html
[17:41:38] <aton`>	this is the complete code
[17:43:14] <jimbojw>	it's because you have a <p> inside your <span> probably - <p> is a block element and <span> is inline, so it's a tough mix - but you should probably be able to just put the plainlinks class on your paragraph tag
[17:43:23] <jimbojw>	so <p class="plainlinks"> and remove the span altogether
[17:43:42] <jimbojw>	if that doesn't work, try removing the <p> and replacing it with <div class="plainlinks">
[17:44:21] <aton`>	works like a charm
[17:44:28] <aton`>	thanks a lot
[17:44:58] <jimbojw>	np
[17:59:22] <duke33>	hey all.  got a question. I'm trying to build an extension.  My tag is called "Amazon", so i call it like this:  <amazon>parameters go here</amazon>
[17:59:36] <duke33>	I seem to keep running into problems trying to use it within a template
[18:00:15] <duke33>	so, i try to pass it <amazon>{{{1}}}</amazon>, and it is passing literally "{{{1}}}" into my code, instead of the variable from the template
[18:00:16] <duke33>	any ideas?
[18:00:22] <jimbojw>	extension tags don't interpret template parameters
[18:00:47] <jimbojw>	rework your tag as a parser function - so instead of <amazon>whatever</amazon>, you'll call {{#amazon:whatever}}
[18:01:02] <jimbojw>	parser functions will interpret template parameters
[18:01:04] <duke33>	ok...i haven't written one of those...but i'm sure i can make that work
[18:01:20] <duke33>	thanks for the help.  i just wasn't sure if i was doing something horribly wrong
[18:01:31] <duke33>	danke
[18:06:34] <zocky>	there's a way to pass parameters to replaceVariables, no?
[18:09:28] <WebHawk>	Question, Where in a Special Page .php file can i specify wether the page should be includable or not?
[18:09:45] <WebHawk>	I want to make the SpecialWhatlinkshere.php includable
[18:10:12] <Simetrical>	You could just inherit from IncludableSpecialPage or something, I think, at least if you're not already inheriting from elsewhere.
[18:12:49] <WebHawk>	Where can i find that "IncludableSpecialPage" thing?
[18:13:43] <_TimLaqua>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classIncludableSpecialPage.html
[18:17:23] <Simetrical>	WebHawk, you just want to replace "extends SpecialPage" with "extends IncludableSpecialPage" at the top of Special:Whatlinkshere or whatever (assuming it inherits from SpecialPage now).
[18:17:42] <Simetrical>	Otherwise you just have to add a one-line function to the class definition.
[18:22:46] <buh>	Hello, i have a question regarding to mediawiki..
[18:23:37] <buh>	it has to do with characters in article titles
[18:23:46] <buh>	anyone?
[18:24:33] <derenrich>	"Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask your question..."
[18:24:38] <WebHawk>	How do i clear the cache for a page?
[18:24:53] <WebHawk>	(editing a php file :-)
[18:24:53] <buh>	well here it goes, i can't seem to make a new article named 'C++'
[18:24:58] <buh>	it cuts off the '++'
[18:25:16] <WebHawk>	You might want to call it c plus plus
[18:25:17] <buh>	so, it creates a page called 'C' but thats not what i want
[18:25:30] <buh>	Well, i dont actually.
[18:25:37] <buh>	i have seen it work on other Wiki's
[18:25:42] <WebHawk>	Just like C Sharp would be C# (in fact, it is)
[18:25:43] <WebHawk>	Hm
[18:25:53] <WebHawk>	Nvm then :-)
[18:25:59] <derenrich>	Yeah Wikipedia's used to be called C plus plus
[18:26:22] <buh>	well now it' called C++
[18:26:29] <buh>	so its working fine on Wikipedia
[18:26:35] <buh>	and ive visited more
[18:26:43] <buh>	that also allows 'C++'
[18:26:46] <WebHawk>	Indeed
[18:27:07] <robchurch>	 *  +         Enabled by default, but doesn't work with path to query rewrite rules, corrupted by apache
[18:27:46] <buh>	well, i dont know much about apache etc, but i do have the php4 'fix' and short URL in my htaccess
[18:28:11] <buh>	but i dont know if that causes the problem...
[18:28:30] <robchurch>	I have a feeling it might require the use of an Alias, but I can't for the life of me remember.
[18:29:10] <buh>	heh.
[18:29:36] <buh>	google doesn't help me much, seems like not many MW users have this problem
[18:29:54] <buh>	or atleast, dont require '+' etc in article titles
[18:30:54] <dtolj>	no matter what i try LDAP auth gives me a binding error to AD
[18:32:25] <dtolj>	how to ensure AD does not use encryption?
[18:33:08] <dtolj>	where can i disable that option?
[18:33:50] <plaa>	Hi.  I'm having trouble getting changes in MediaWiki:Sidebar to actually change the sidebar.  I've tried touching LocalSettings.php but that doesn't help, and I don't know how to "truncate the objectcache table in your database", as the manual recommends.
[18:34:07] <buh>	rob, do you think RewriteRule is causing the problem with the characters?
[18:34:26] <robchurch>	 /* No comment */
[18:34:37] <buh>	lol ok
[18:34:44] <plaa>	I haven't found any help on google either, could anyone help?
[18:34:48] <buh>	bummer
[18:35:13] <robchurch>	plaa: "TRUNCATE the objectcache table" means execute the SQL statement: TRUNCATE TABLE objectcache;
[18:35:16] <Pinky|Away>	anyone here know how to add a new language to a wiki?
[18:35:21] <robchurch>	You can also delete all rows from it.
[18:36:23] <robchurch>	Is this a public wiki?
[18:36:46] <CIA-1>	03tlaqua * r25065 10/trunk/extensions/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Moving Extensions to SVN ;-)
[18:37:10] <plaa>	robchurch: I haven't used mysql much, so I'd appreciate a bit more detailed instructions before I mess up my wiki database
[18:37:12] <dtolj>	Failed to bind as 10.114.129.101\Dtolj ??
[18:37:53] <_TimLaqua>	NETBIOS name, not IP.
[18:38:17] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: whats that? 
[18:38:49] <Pinky|Away>	do you just upload a new file called "MessagesEn.php" ?
[18:38:55] <Pinky|Away>	or is it more complicated then that?
[18:39:11] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: i think i just know the IP of the AD server 
[18:39:15] <robchurch>	What are you trying to *do* ?
[18:39:16] <plaa>	Ok, I was able to truncate the cache, but the sidebar still persists.
[18:39:26] <robchurch>	plaa: Is this a public wiki?
[18:39:35] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, what's your $wgLDAPSearchStrings?
[18:39:54] <Raymond_>	Pinky|Away: add MessagesXx.php to the directory and edit /languages/Names.php
[18:40:19] <Pinky|Away>	ok
[18:40:20] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: $wgLDAPSearchStrings = array( "NETBIOSDOMAINNAME"=>"10.114.129.101\\USER-NAME" );
[18:40:21] <plaa>	semi-public, it's on the net, but no meant for use before I clean it up
[18:40:24] <mutante>	ok, now i got so far to install ParserFunctions, DynamicPageLists and SimpleForms, what i really wanted is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Simple_Forms#A_form_to_categorise_the_current_article , now i just fail at the last step, how to get this to show under the actual content textarea on every page
[18:40:38] <_TimLaqua>	oh dear.
[18:40:52] <Raymond_>	Pinky|Away: just for interest: which language do you want to add?
[18:41:00] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, are you running AD?
[18:41:12] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: yes its running
[18:41:15] <buh>	also, the weirdest thing came up to me when wanted to create a test article named 'test' it shows a blank page? Kinda odd because the rest is working just fine.
[18:41:22] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, and what's your domain name?
[18:41:26] <Pinky|Away>	Raymond_: Pig Latin :P
[18:41:30] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: windows 2003 i believe
[18:41:33] <plaa>	does it matter that the wiki's language is in Finnish, but Mediawiki:Sidebar has all the stuff in English?
[18:41:53] <robchurch>	plaa: When you say "semi-public", can I read it? Can you give me a URL?
[18:42:03] <plaa>	robchurch: http://linnea2.dy.fi/
[18:42:19] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, and what's your domain name?
[18:42:38] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj,  like when you log in to a windows box, what domain do you select?
[18:43:10] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: there is one called otn local to the company
[18:43:10] <robchurch>	hmm
[18:43:25] <plaa>	I guess the English portions are just placeholders which are then translated to the local language, but changing them doesn't have any effect.
[18:43:33] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, LDAP auth is authenticating agains your company's Active Directory
[18:43:43] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: correct
[18:43:51] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, so what is the name of the domain?  OTN?
[18:43:58] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: yes
[18:44:15] <robchurch>	plaa: If you do a null edit (click edit, save without changing anything) to MediaWiki:Sidebar, does it fix things?
[18:44:47] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: oh i see
[18:44:50] <plaa>	robchurch: No, doesn't change anything.
[18:44:59] <robchurch>	hmm
[18:45:03] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72580
[18:45:13] <mutante>	plaa: do you have case sensitive page names?
[18:45:17] <robchurch>	I...have no idea.
[18:45:35] <mutante>	plaa: cause if you do it might be confusing that those in the MediaWiki namespace, used in Sidebar are not
[18:45:46] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: shit man thanks a bunch
[18:46:07] <plaa>	mutante: I'm not sure, the default value for 1.7
[18:46:07] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: i cant believe i didnt try that before
[18:46:15] <_TimLaqua>	indeed.
[18:46:17] <_TimLaqua>	;-)
[18:46:20] <_TimLaqua>	got it now?
[18:46:22] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: thanks again
[18:46:38] <dtolj>	_TimLaqua: yeaa it seems to be logging me in
[18:46:51] <robchurch>	But once you log in...you can never log out!
[18:46:53] <robchurch>	bwahahahahahahahaha
[18:46:54] <_TimLaqua>	dtolj, cool.  glad we could help.
[18:47:02] <mutante>	plaa: never mind, you dont
[18:47:28] <robchurch>	plaa: Offhand, I really don't see what could possibly be causing this; the usual caches are presumably not to blame.
[18:48:22] <plaa>	I cleared the cache using  mysql linneadb -p   and then  TRUNCATE TABLE objectcache;   Is that correct?
[18:48:44] <plaa>	(linneadb is configured as $wgDBname)
[18:50:24] <robchurch>	mm
[18:51:02] <plaa>	I tried it again using non-root access, but doesn't help either.  :(
[18:51:17] <buh>	plaa, you read my PM?
[18:51:27] <buh>	plaa did you read my pm?
[18:51:32] <buh>	omg whops
[18:51:41] <plaa>	I didn't get it.
[18:51:47] <mutante>	update to 1.10.1 anyways and see if it fixes it?
[18:51:59] <buh>	thats weird
[18:52:33] <plaa>	I'm using 1.7 because it's ready-packaged for ubuntu.  Is 1.10 pre-packaged anywhere?
[18:52:43] <buh>	well can you maybe share your .htaccess code with me, as i see my problems are solved on your site.
[18:53:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	plaa: ugh - please do update...get 1.10.1...
[18:54:11] <ThomasV_>	hi byron :-)
[18:54:49] <robchurch>	idiot, it's not byron, it's biro-n
[18:54:56] <robchurch>	the next generation of biro ballpoint pens
[18:55:23] <plaa>	buh: you mean the short urls?
[18:55:30] <buh>	yep
[18:55:52] <mutante>	hmm,"JumpBox"? http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/871
[18:56:00] <buh>	you got any more codes other than short url?
[18:56:10] <ThomasV_>	plaa: exposing your htaccess is dangerous!
[18:56:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Wantedpages messed up on English Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7880  +comment (10manop)
[18:57:01] <buh>	jeez just trying to fix my problems here
[18:57:03] <plaa>	I just followed the instructions in some FAQ
[18:57:22] <buh>	yea i did too, but didnt work so i just maybe thought your code is different
[18:57:29] <TimLaqua_away>	buh, what's the problem you're having?
[18:58:08] <buh>	Well i'm having a few, the one that is bugging me out is that when i go to create a new article named 'Test' i see a blank page, the rest is working fine.
[18:58:22] <TimLaqua_away>	public wiki?
[18:58:32] <buh>	pretty much
[18:58:41] <TimLaqua_away>	What's the url?
[18:58:53] <buh>	http://en.tutorialfy.com
[18:59:06] <plaa>	buh: I'm directly using the apache config, not .htaccess.  Anyway, I guess the relevant rewrite-rules are the following:  http://eddie.dy.fi/~sampo/tmp/rewrite.txt
[18:59:21] <buh>	when i go to /Test, i see a blank page.
[18:59:57] <buh>	i don't have any 'Test' directories (i checked that)
[19:00:00] <_TimLaqua>	http://en.tutorialfy.com/index.php?title=Test
[19:00:06] <_TimLaqua>	your rewrite's all wonky
[19:00:26] <buh>	was hoping it's not... lol
[19:00:31] <_TimLaqua>	paste your htaccess in to mediawiki.pastey.net (if you're comfortable w/ that)
[19:00:40] <buh>	sure
[19:00:46] <buh>	but the odd thing is, the rest seem to work fine
[19:02:10] <_TimLaqua>	lol, are you using GoDaddy for your hosting?
[19:02:14] <buh>	here it is -> http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72583
[19:02:15] <buh>	nope
[19:02:29] <WebHawk>	Does someone have the Rewriterules list handy? I need to set it up on my server (IIS with an ASAPI rewriter plugin)
[19:02:41] <_TimLaqua>	I just tried that on one of mine (w/ the root mod_rewrite) and I get a blank page on Test too
[19:02:52] <buh>	lol 
[19:02:57] <plaa>	Does anyone know if there are MW 1.10 packages for Ubuntu ready?  Debian seems to have them in unstable, I'm not sure how badly it would bork the system to install them..
[19:02:59] <robchurch>	You mean the mod_rewrite cheat sheet?
[19:03:05] <buh>	i know im a lousy coder (even i copy/paste i still mess things up
[19:03:10] <robchurch>	It's somewhere on ilovejackdaniels.com
[19:04:17] <WebHawk>	Yeh
[19:05:06] <WebHawk>	Mod_rewrite cheat sheet?
[19:05:41] <WebHawk>	Ah, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[19:05:43] <buh>	So Tim, you have a Short URL code, that should work guaranteed for me?
[19:05:56] <_TimLaqua>	buh, dunno, I'm just gonna ignore that one on my site.  ;-)  I'd say that can be added to the list of reasons to NOT do a root mod_rewrite
[19:06:03] <buh>	i tried multiple, they all have their problems
[19:06:21] <buh>	oh ok...
[19:06:29] <buh>	so i have to create a dir for my wiki?
[19:06:41] <_TimLaqua>	the SoP is to create a /w directory for the wiki
[19:06:46] <_TimLaqua>	and the mod_rewrite on /wiki
[19:07:13] <_TimLaqua>	so /wiki/Main_Page rewrites to /w/index.php?title=Main_Page
[19:07:21] <buh>	sorry for my noob-iness, but what is 'SoP' exactly?
[19:07:38] <_TimLaqua>	Standard operating procedure.  The "Usual" stuff.
[19:07:50] <buh>	alright
[19:08:15] <buh>	So i have to create a dir, and point it to 'w', can i point to root? or does that lead me to the same problems
[19:08:30] <buh>	cause i just think it's nicer to see an article coming from root
[19:08:44] <_TimLaqua>	me too.  so Ignore the "Test" problem.  ;-)
[19:09:23] <_TimLaqua>	It feels like the URL is being caught before it can be rewritten
[19:09:40] <buh>	Alright, still weird to that it only affects 'test'
[19:11:41] <buh>	Anyways, i'm having another problem with some characters, i  can't seem to create e.g. 'C++' because it cutts off the '++', on the wikipedia site it works, also on wikihow etc. But i can't seem to find any solution to this..
[19:12:38] <rjwill>	anyone know of a tikiwiki to mediawiki migration guide/doc?
[19:21:13] <mutante>	how could i get a template/wiki code snippet inserted automatically into every page that is uncategorized / in Special:Uncategorizedpages
[19:23:28] <mutante>	i found MediaWiki:Noarticletext, is there also one like that would be included in every uncategorized article, or simply in every article 
[19:25:34] <CIA-1>	03tlaqua * r25066 10/trunk/extensions/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Uploading more extensions
[19:25:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser hook output block level corruption - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8997  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[19:25:55] <Nikerabbit>	bah
[19:26:03] <Nikerabbit>	any perl hackers around?
[19:26:30] <rjwill>	Nikerabbit what are you trying to do
[19:26:54] <Nikerabbit>	I'd like to have the array from Names.php but with English names
[19:28:12] <Nikerabbit>	too bad Simetrical went away
[19:32:41] <CIA-1>	03brion * r25067 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (OggHandler.php OggHandler_body.php): (log message trimmed)
[19:32:41] <CIA-1>	Allow $wgCortadoJarFile to include a relative or absolute URL path.
[19:32:41] <CIA-1>	This is required when $wgUploadPath goes to a different host from
[19:32:41] <CIA-1>	where the wiki pages are served from (say, upload.wikimedia.org),
[19:32:43] <CIA-1>	as Java applet security rules limit the applet to accessing files
[19:32:45] <CIA-1>	from the server it was served from.
[19:32:47] <CIA-1>	Note for testing: unlike the JavaScript same-origin rule, Java applet
[19:34:10] <robchurch>	FALSE NEGATIVES
[19:51:24] <plaa>	Ok, I've upgraded to 1.10.1, but the sidebar will *still* not change...
[19:53:37] <Nippoo>	Hey... I have just built an article control system for a magazine in PHP / MySQL - I'd like to build a revision control system so that all previous versions of a file can be seen much in the same way as MediaWiki does it. How does MediaWiki implement revision control?
[19:54:27] <robchurch>	Have a look at the page, revision and text tables, then skim the Article and Revision classes.
[19:54:48] <robchurch>	Files are in images, oldimages.
[19:54:54] <robchurch>	Deleted stuff in archive, filearchive.
[19:55:45] <Nippoo>	OK... I'll have a look. I'm just completely at a loss as to the basic structure of something like this ;-)
[19:56:00] <robchurch>	Basically, we save a separate "revision" for each version of a page.
[19:56:16] <robchurch>	Each revision has a text record stored in text, or maybe elsewhere (external storage and other fancy bits).
[19:56:50] <robchurch>	To view a page, you essentially fetch the most recent revision for that page, get the text, process it, output it; to view the history, you simply enumerate each revision for a given page.
[19:57:51] <robchurch>	I'm tired, my explanation is a bit lousy.
[19:58:25] <plaa>	So..  Any other ideas how to change the sidebar (now on 1.10.1)?
[19:58:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[19:59:02] <plaa>	I've also tried deleting the :Sidebar, and starting from the default page, with no luck.
[20:04:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) sf_inputform parser function - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10876  summary; +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[20:04:51] <tomlevens>	got a problem if anyone can help me out...
[20:05:38] <tomlevens>	trying to make a template like:
[20:05:39] <tomlevens>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_PMP
[20:05:54] <tomlevens>	on my own WIki... except it doesn't work
[20:05:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Interwiki redirect does not work at Commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11032 minor; normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (IlCoq)
[20:06:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) sf_forminput parser function - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10876  summary; +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[20:07:12] <CIA-1>	03brion * r25068 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImageGallery.php: Order of link parameters changed in r25049; putting them back so the parser test stops whining. :)
[20:09:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki redirect does not work at Commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11032  (10IlCoq)
[20:10:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki redirect does not work at Commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11032  (10IlCoq)
[20:13:57] <plaa>	Problem solved.  I had $wgUseDatabaseMessages set to false.  I'd has something to do with it previously and based on the documentation it didn't seem to matter to disable it (only speed up things).
[20:14:54] *robchurch 	blinks
[20:15:12] <robchurch>	I didn't bother checking that one - I assumed it was a clean install.
[20:15:43] <plaa>	I'll add a note about that to Manual:Interface/Sidebar on mediawiki.org.  There's no mention about that in any of the relevant documentation.
[20:15:43] <CIA-1>	03brion * r25069 10/trunk/extensions/LuceneSearch/LuceneSearch_body.php: Integrate live hack -- include $wgLuceneVersion in the memcache key for cached results
[20:16:50] <CIA-1>	03brion * r25070 10/trunk/extensions/LuceneSearch/LuceneSearch_body.php: grr syntax err
[20:19:05] <Duesentrieb>	hm... perhaps there should be a message on all pages in the MediaWiki namespace if $wgUseDatabaseMessages is set to false.
[20:19:17] <Duesentrieb>	none of them will do anything...
[20:19:36] <robchurch>	That makes sense.
[20:20:07] <Duesentrieb>	though it would be yet another ugly special case in the article class :/
[20:20:17] <plaa>	would have saved me 3+ hours of work  :)
[20:20:42] <robchurch>	Well, it'd have saved you 3+ hours of work if I'd bothered to check that one with you.
[20:20:52] <robchurch>	For some silly reason I dismissed it out of hand, assumed you had a clean install.
[20:21:46] <plaa>	anyway, I added that to the troubleshooting section at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[20:22:05] <plaa>	but probably it should be noted in numerous other places in the documentation as well
[20:22:10] <Duesentrieb>	plaa: you'd have to do the same for all pages that deal with message pages (i.e. MediaWiki namespace)
[20:47:26] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Interwiki redirect does not work at Commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11032  +comment (10Platonides)
[20:51:28] <CIA-1>	03tlaqua * r25071 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionScores/ (ContributionScores.php ContributionScores_body.php): Switched to compatible $dbr->timestamp() call rather than silly date() call for timestamps - should support Postgres now.
[21:00:44] <bwmarri1>	So is there a PHP parser for MediaWiki that can be used stand alone? I looked at Pear's Text_Wiki but it seems to be more then a little out dated.  I tried to take Parse.php out of the MediaWiki code.   Which I may continue but there's a lot of calls and requirements for other code files.
[21:02:32] <Duesentrieb>	bwmarri1: no such thing exists. sadly, it's not even really possible. at least not to get 100% the same output.
[21:02:57] <Duesentrieb>	there are probably several "parsers" that cover about 88% of the cases. the rest is very very hard.
[21:03:25] <Duesentrieb>	basically, because there's no formal spec, mediawiki's parser sucks, and there is a lot of data (esp on wikipedia) that relias on odd edge cases.
[21:04:03] <TimStarling>	still here, brion?
[21:04:08] <CIA-1>	03tstarling * r25072 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (4 files): Added support for QuickTime under Mozilla and other browsers with navigator.mimeTypes. Not sure how to do it in IE, see TODO note.
[21:04:15] <TimStarling>	present for you
[21:04:33] <bwmarri1>	Hmph! Figures.
[21:04:36] <bwmarri1>	:(
[21:04:40] <bwmarri1>	But thanks for the information.
[21:05:21] <brion-office>	a present for meeeee? why thank you
[21:05:23] *brion-office 	unwraps it
[21:05:43] <bwmarri1>	MediaWiki should make their Parser a standalone object that could be used in any php application! Think of how that would expand thier.. uh.. Greatness! Yes.. Indeed...
[21:06:04] *VoiceOfAll 	watches brion-office light up with the joy of a child
[21:06:10] <Duesentrieb>	bwmarri1: there are several standalong wiki parser. use one of them
[21:06:21] <Duesentrieb>	if you need 100% compatibility, you have to use mediawiki proper.
[21:06:42] <Duesentrieb>	the parser actually relies on wiki setup and even stuff from the database. it *cannot* be run standalone
[21:07:41] <bwmarri1>	Well the idea was to create documents based on the most used wiki format (mediawiki) that I could display on my website and also upload to Wiki's without needing multiple formats.
[21:08:49] <brion-office>	TimStarling: seems to be working in both ff and safari (with xiph), whee
[21:12:55] <bwmarri1>	Well, once again.  Thanks for the help :)
[21:15:12] <TimStarling>	so... "With OggHandler, ogg video and audio files display the 'play' button and can be played inline in an image gallery control such as at Special:Newimages."
[21:15:22] <TimStarling>	"I'm not sure whether this is awesome or really annoying. ;)"
[21:15:40] <TimStarling>	I'm not one to get excited about features, but I'm closer to awesome than annoying
[21:15:53] <TimStarling>	since I've gone to some trouble to make this work
[21:20:04] <TimStarling>	the general idea was to put video on the same footing as images in terms of integration into mediawiki, so yes, it will work everywhere
[21:20:23] <TimStarling>	image links, thumbnails, image galleries and image description pages
[21:22:30] <Nippoo>	Is it just me, or is TimStarling a really quick typer?
[21:22:47] <TimStarling>	it comes with practise
[21:23:04] <Nippoo>	you seem to do something like 1000wpm :-|
[21:23:18] <Monk33>	what would the $wgOut->redirect be to return to the previous page (article) after some action like adding a comment instead of landing on a process pages reading "You have successfully..." ?
[21:32:37] <Monk33>	or at least taking you back to the article after some time like $wgOut->returnToMain does
[21:34:01] <TimStarling>	Monk33: have a look at how Special:Userlogin does it
[21:34:21] <purodha>	Asking for help -- We installed MediaWiki on our server and set: 
[21:34:21] <purodha>	$wgUseSharedUploads = true;
[21:34:21] <purodha>	 $wgSharedUploadPath = "http://commons.wikimedia.org/shared/images";
[21:34:21] <purodha>	$wgFetchCommonsDescriptions =  true; 
[21:34:21] <purodha>	We can refer to images using htpp://...jpeg,  the [[Image:...]] syntax does not show existing images on commons.  What else do we need to make commons work for us ?
[21:34:36] <TimStarling>	now there's a fast typist
[21:35:06] <purodha>	Copy&paste is the trick :-)
[21:35:31] <TimStarling>	commons doesn't work remotely
[21:36:34] <TimStarling>	that's what the InstantCommons project is meant to fix, but it's not finished yet
[21:37:07] <purodha>	Ok, that is, the only way for us is using http://upload .... thumb/a/ab/IMAGE/123-px/IMAGE  and wrap it in hand made tables, etc. 
[21:38:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If page title contains Umlaut the link on edit page is wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10881  (10brion)
[21:39:04] <purodha>	Most of that can be done with a template, but there is no such thing as MD5 + substring functionalty , i.e. the /x/xy/ behind thumb needs to be looked up and insterted manually :-(
[21:39:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Ogg handler player doesn't leave vertical room for controls - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10950  +comment (10tstarling)
[21:40:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Ogg handler incorrectly detects enabled Java for Firefox without Java plugin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10949  +comment (10tstarling)
[21:41:34] <brion-office>	TimStarling: for audio, it might be good to avoid overwriting the icon when the player starts
[21:41:41] <brion-office>	it seems kin dof weird to have the UI bits bobbing around that way imho
[21:42:01] <brion-office>	we might also see if there's a reliable way to get plugins like the quicktime plugin to scale down fo rsmall displays
[21:42:08] <Monk33>	TimStarling: I guess it's this section return $wgOut->redirect( $check ); while check has to replaced with something. The section I want this in the out comment on one this http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72592
[21:42:10] <TimStarling>	the file icon is a bit big for a lot of uses
[21:42:20] <TimStarling>	I don't really like it
[21:42:28] <TimStarling>	it's good for gallery, but not much else
[21:43:03] <TimStarling>	so yes, I agree, but there are other visual issues to fix as well
[21:43:28] <TimStarling>	another one is the lack of a link to the image description page after you switch into player mode
[21:44:17] <TimStarling>	and another one is the large and imposing nature of the player selection box
[21:44:43] <TimStarling>	I'd like to see a 16x16 player selection icon, and a 16x16 image description icon, I think
[21:44:47] <TimStarling>	that might be the right way to go
[21:45:34] <brion-office>	hmmmm mebbe
[21:46:14] <TimStarling>	and also graphical play/pause/stop buttons, for the plugins that don't have them built in
[21:48:25] <Raymond_>	TimStarling, brion, one question to bug 10965 "Check status of picturepopup extension". is this extension active on WMF wikis? what does it do? I still see the i18 messages in spacial:allmessages
[21:48:46] <CIA-15>	03brion * r25074 10/trunk/debs/squid/debian/errors/error.html: tweak polish -- http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10982
[21:49:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Linguistic error on the Polish "Wikipedia has a problem page" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10982  +comment (10brion)
[21:49:03] <TimStarling>	I don't think it was ever completed
[21:49:59] <TimStarling>	it was meant to be a hybrid extension, I wrote the server side according to a spec from a javascript developer on the wiki
[21:50:04] <VoiceOfAll>	brion-office: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJfa1z5-K8
[21:50:09] <VoiceOfAll>	that's so sad its just funny
[21:50:13] <TimStarling>	but he never finished the client side
[21:51:44] <TimStarling>	why did you file a bug report?
[21:51:45] <Raymond_>	ok, but there must be some lost lines in the config because I see the i18n messages?
[21:52:06] <TimStarling>	lost lines?
[21:52:17] <Raymond_>	I am confused about the i18n messages.
[21:52:20] <TimStarling>	why?
[21:52:31] <TimStarling>	it's half an extension, it doesn't do anything
[21:52:42] <TimStarling>	it's not going to be any more useful if the messages are translated
[21:52:57] <CIA-15>	03brion * r25075 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revert r25037 -- just removes functionality from Special:DoubleRedirects instead of fixing the paging problem
[21:53:04] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special:DoubleRedirects *removes* "fixed" items, breaking paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10985  +comment (10brion)
[21:53:35] <Raymond_>	I know, but why not removing this half extension? 
[21:53:36] *VoiceOfAll 	suspects that release is coming soon
[21:53:48] <VoiceOfAll>	the increase of reverts is red flag :D
[21:54:31] <TimStarling>	brion: so should I close bug 11031 "Ogg files display player controls in Special:Newimages and <gallery>"
[21:55:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  +comment (10alefzet)
[21:55:41] <TimStarling>	Raymond_: I have other things to do
[21:55:45] <TimStarling>	maybe it's being used, maybe it's not
[21:55:58] <TimStarling>	maybe it'll be used in the near future
[21:56:13] <Raymond_>	TimStarling: sure :) 
[21:57:24] <VoiceOfAll>	TimStarling: eh? did you ever hear of Peter Singer?
[21:57:37] *VoiceOfAll 	ducks
[21:58:07] <brion-office>	TimStarling: you can if you like, or repurpose it to tweaking and improving that display
[21:58:25] <brion-office>	it just seemed weirdly inconsistent to me :)
[21:59:46] <TimStarling>	well, I could open another bug with the current visual problems
[22:00:08] <TimStarling>	but I'm not really in the habit of using bugzilla as a personal to do list
[22:01:15] <TimStarling>	I think the question in your report is: should we support video/audio display in galleries?
[22:01:49] <TimStarling>	I'm inclined to think it's a useful feature, how else do you review a new video file apart from playing it?
[22:02:25] <TimStarling>	I think the player can be made small enough to display reasonably well in that space
[22:03:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Category tree should show a better error message when an error page is returned from the server - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11015  (10brion)
[22:09:18] <brion-office>	TimStarling: nothing wrong with it as long as it works neat :D
[22:12:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Ogg files display player controls in Special:Newimages and < gallery> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11031  +comment (10tstarling)
[22:15:29] <WebHawk>	Hi
[22:15:36] <WebHawk>	How do i link to a category page?
[22:20:16] <Raymond_>	WebHawk: [[:Category:name]]
[22:22:38] <WebHawk>	Ok, Thanks
[22:43:00] <mdale>	is there a undo everything this spamer has done button or maintenance script? 
[22:48:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Patrollist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11030  (10jidanni)
[22:51:33] <mdale>	there is no undo everything this spamer has done button or maintenance script?  googling coming up dry ... 
[22:53:05] <evanpro>	Hi all.
[22:53:19] <evanpro>	Has the 1.11.x branch been made yet?
[22:54:34] <evanpro>	Actually, I realize as I say that that it's something I could easily ascertain myself
[22:54:39] <evanpro>	A: no.
[22:56:46] <DeFender1031>	hello, how do i indent such that only the first line of a paragraph is indented?
[23:00:45] <evanpro>	DeFender1031: no easy way
[23:01:06] <evanpro>	You may be able to do something tricky by using a <div> tag with a style on it
[23:01:31] <DeFender1031>	evanpro, easier to just use nonbreaking spaces at the start of a line
[23:01:34] <DeFender1031>	hmm
[23:01:46] <DeFender1031>	maybe i'll mage a template called {{tab}}
[23:01:57] <DeFender1031>	which is just 4 nbsps
[23:02:18] <evanpro>	http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.html#indentation-prop
[23:05:44] <AldeBaer>	I'd like to ask about selective blocks, i.e. blocks restricted to certain pages. I've been told on the mailing list that this is not (yet) possible, but will it be in the future?
[23:06:29] <evanpro>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EvanProdromou/DivIndent
[23:06:42] <evanpro>	DeFender1031: ---^
[23:06:50] <DeFender1031>	evanpro, my way is easier
[23:07:08] <DeFender1031>	{{Tab}} contains "&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<noinclude>Ends Here<br>Next line</noinclude>"
[23:07:11] <evanpro>	Mine is more stylish
[23:07:27] <DeFender1031>	mine is elegant
[23:07:34] <DeFender1031>	a simple template to indent
[23:07:37] <evanpro>	!!!
[23:07:38] <DeFender1031>	nothing more
[23:07:45] <evanpro>	Shock!
[23:07:51] <DeFender1031>	shock what?
[23:08:28] <evanpro>	It's just not cricket. HTML purists say to use CSS rather than nbsp's and br's and such to move your text around.
[23:08:56] <DeFender1031>	meh
[23:09:00] <evanpro>	Yeah
[23:09:02] <evanpro>	Not that big a deal
[23:09:18] <evanpro>	AldeBaer: I don't think that's on anyone's development agenda
[23:09:37] <AldeBaer>	um, about my question, could you do me the favor and at least laugh at me for asking such a newbie question so I can peacefully close the channel?
[23:09:47] <evanpro>	It's a pain to develop with little payback
[23:09:52] <AldeBaer>	oops, sorry
[23:09:53] <DeFender1031>	well, thanks
[23:10:05] <AldeBaer>	just got impatient
[23:10:08] <evanpro>	If someone can't be trusted to work on one page of a wiki, it doesn't make a lot of sense to trust them with other pages
[23:11:15] <AldeBaer>	yeah, I heard that argument, but I don't fully agree. Just sent a reply to wiki-en-l to that effect: "But self control can be learned, taught, and encouraged by the system. Or the system can decide to simply show the door to misfits, deliberately ignoring the possibility that they may yet learn to become more constructive. "
[23:11:54] <Duesentrieb>	AldeBaer: that's why blocks are generally limited to a few hours on first offense.
[23:13:02] <AldeBaer>	I know, but imo there are entire classes of differently problematic editors, those with a strong conflict of interest e.g.
[23:14:34] <Duesentrieb>	AldeBaer: it would be a nightmare to maintain a system that blocks individual people from individual pages
[23:15:19] <AldeBaer>	a social nightmare or a programming nightmare? 
[23:15:21] <Duesentrieb>	people who can't overcome their conflict of interrest by self control shouldn't edit until they can.
[23:15:33] <Duesentrieb>	organisational nightmare
[23:15:41] <Duesentrieb>	it would become a complete mess, very fast
[23:16:06] <Duesentrieb>	the programming wouldn't be so nice either, but possible. but I don't see any point for mediawiki.
[23:16:45] <AldeBaer>	Well, I guess it's true in many cases (COI). What do you think would happen wrt chaos?
[23:17:32] <Duesentrieb>	just "why can't i edit this page" or "why whas X blocked from Y" or "what 25 pages do i have to block Foo from", etc
[23:18:48] <AldeBaer>	you see, I'm not a programmer, so I dream up all kinds of probably mostly useless or unrealistic stuff, like a word filter for IPs, so that they cannot save an edit with the word "gay" or "poop" in it. Ok, you've somewhat convinced me.
[23:19:11] <AldeBaer>	thanks for time & effort
[23:19:17] <Duesentrieb>	word filters exist
[23:19:23] <Duesentrieb>	wgSpamRegex
[23:19:37] <Duesentrieb>	the filter applies to everyone though, iirc. 
[23:19:53] <Duesentrieb>	implementing a permission to override that might be an option
[23:20:18] <AldeBaer>	"poop" isn't on that wgSpamRegex?
[23:20:30] <Duesentrieb>	nothing is on it per default.
[23:21:58] <AldeBaer>	ah, I'm making another mistake here: I have to constantly remind myself that wikipedia is just an instance of mediawiki
[23:22:11] <AldeBaer>	i see
[23:22:51] <Duesentrieb>	AldeBaer: for wikipedia, filtering "poop" would be kind of bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poop
[23:23:43] <AldeBaer>	ok, I give up
[23:24:06] <AldeBaer>	I forgot about that article
[23:24:12] <AldeBaer>	nevermind
[23:24:34] <AldeBaer>	but thanks again
[23:25:03] <tomlevens>	how come when I turn on $wgUseTidy my navigation, search and toolbox blocks move down the edit page? they're fine on every other page... it's weird...
[23:25:36] <Duesentrieb>	tomlevens: turn it off and run the edit page through a validator.
[23:26:04] <tomlevens>	(I'm using the stock Monobook skin)
[23:26:19] <Duesentrieb>	do it anyway.
[23:27:34] <tomlevens>	4 errors
[23:27:57] <tomlevens>	http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2F68kmla.net%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DMain_Page%26action%3Dedit&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
[23:31:41] <tomlevens>	ah, think it may be a problem with Edittools
[23:33:06] <tomlevens>	yep... missed a </div> off the end! cheers!
[23:33:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Allpages should be openable to search engines - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8473  +comment (10jidanni)
[23:57:33] <Klemo>	hola cholas
[23:58:53] <Klemo>	I have a media wiki installation and a bunch of users all working away. I since writen a file management system and I want to tie authentication for that against the media wiki database of users and passwords...  Is that something simple to do?
[23:59:27] <Duesentrieb>	Klemo: should be
[23:59:44] <Klemo>	then I guess the next questions would be,... I just need to know the query to get the username and password hash from mediawiki
[23:59:48] <Klemo>	?
[23:59:54] <Duesentrieb>	Klemo: look at the user table. check user name and password against that table. use the same hashing for passwords as mediawiki does.