[00:00:31] the query is trivial. something along the lines of select user_password from user where user_name = ... [00:01:22] Klemo: see wfEncryptPassword in GlobalFunctions.php for the salting. it's double-hashed. [00:01:45] aw sweet [00:02:04] I thought that would be the answer... [00:02:25] I also have another simple question. How well does media wiki handle LargeFiles? [00:02:39] LargeFiles? [00:02:45] uh... as... files? [00:02:54] hundres of megs possible giga byte files [00:02:57] yeah [00:03:01] as uploads/downloads [00:03:45] mediawiki doesn't really handle them. php does the uploading ,the webserver serves the files directly (downloading) [00:03:51] i have a felling its going to be apache and PHP with limitations and not mediawiki [00:03:53] yeah [00:03:57] ok guys [00:03:59] thanks gain [00:04:02] php typically has an upload limit set (8 MB or something) [00:04:08] yeah I know about that [00:04:11] apache may have a limit for uploads/posts too [00:04:17] it does [00:04:43] mediawiki doesn't care... i think it has a setting to warn about very large files, but that's about it. [00:05:00] i'm just rolling ideas around [00:06:34] oh another questin [00:06:44] I was poking around the extensions for media wiki. [00:07:11] what I need is sometihng that wll restrict users in different group from read/edit other groups pages in wiki [00:08:34] each others* [00:08:53] so people in one group can only view/edit public or same group content [00:09:00] pages don't belong to groups. [00:09:23] you'd actually me making separate wikis for this kind of thing. [00:09:24] I'm using on another wiki a restriction extension, but it only restricts to groups called "Restrict" and "ViewRestrict" [00:09:42] yeah thats what I was afraid of. [00:10:06] i did not want to maange 5-10 different wiki's with different user accounts [00:10:14] for one project [00:10:15] there are several extensions for different kinds of protection. A lot of stuff can be done by now. [00:10:25] but since pages down have owners, what you want is not possible. [00:10:28] i'm allready managing about 8 wikis arouce 6 projects [00:10:45] well... why do you need to restrict access? [00:10:55] the wiki way is "revert the bullshit". [00:10:56] are they not associated via the creator? [00:10:59] no. [00:11:04] 03(NEW) EditPage assumes MediaWiki:Copyrightpage can't be external - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11033 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Page editing; (jidanni) [00:11:12] well, technically, via the page history, you can find the creator. [00:11:35] but even that is rather inefficient. it's not part of what you generally do with a wiki [00:11:40] who created a page is not relevant. [00:11:46] I may not have to restrict view but definately edit [00:11:56] thats how people think [00:12:01] maybe you are not really looking for a wiki at all? [00:12:06] true [00:12:19] I suggested dumping the wiki [00:12:24] but what other, multiuser documentaion tool is there? [00:12:31] also, there are more cms-like wikis, aimed at the corporate environment. [00:12:52] oh and free is a big part of it too [00:12:58] open source baby [00:12:59] well, ther eare lots of wiki engins, and cmses. free ones, too. [00:13:11] yeah [00:13:26] like i said, though I support many projects. [00:13:39] and each wants to do something a little different [00:13:56] and I've managed to get media wiki to do everything i've needed so far [00:14:01] well, i havn't really tried any recently. mindquarry rings a bell. tikiwiki is more wiki-like. [00:14:06] and I really really dont want to learn another system [00:14:22] well... from what you say, yo *want* another system. [00:14:26] yeah twiki and tikiwiki are some i've heard kicked around... [00:14:30] hahaha [00:14:33] because what you are trying to create is not a wiki [00:14:35] it's a cms [00:14:59] crap money shoot? [00:15:10] carpet monkey snot? [00:15:27] for people to really benefit from a wiki, they have to use it as a wiki. which means everyone can edit (almost) everything [00:15:55] what does cms stand for? [00:15:59] a wiki is not about "my documents". its about "our knowledge" [00:16:02] content management system [00:16:06] I guess I should keep my questions direct... ahaha [00:16:07] think "SharePoint" [00:16:09] Klemo: content management system [00:16:33] crap [00:16:34] 03(mod) Add auto-sumary to deletion of images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9657 (10waldir) [00:16:52] back to the drawing board I guess... they just want to share information with each other... [00:16:53] lol [00:17:04] it's called a network drive [00:17:05] ;-) [00:17:34] Tim you talking to me? [00:17:37] Klemo: from what you say, they want to *publish* documents *to* each other. which is what a cms is for. [00:17:44] I'm usually talking to myself. [00:17:49] right right... like docushare... [00:17:52] nice [00:17:52] Klemo: a wiki is for collaboratively creating content. [00:18:11] right but what if the content is super secret? [00:18:22] you would just dismiss the usefull ness of a wiki? [00:18:24] then DO NOT PUT IN ON A WEBSERVER, EVER [00:18:25] Klemo, all of the content, or just some of it? [00:18:38] just in general [00:18:46] i guess i'm just making apoint [00:18:49] or trying to [00:18:51] if all of the content is super secret (like my bosses think it is) we just do LDAP auth and lock the bejeebers out of it. [00:18:51] lol [00:18:54] no hard feelings [00:19:29] ok heres another "is it possable" question... [00:19:30] lol [00:19:31] then they do crazy stuff like 100% SSL [00:19:39] you can lock down an entire wiki. you can now even have sections of a wiki unreadable to "the public" reasonably safe. [00:19:45] agreed [00:19:47] can I "protect" an entire namespace? [00:19:56] there'S no page ownership, however. [00:20:04] there's no page groups (well, except namespaces) [00:20:27] Klemo: yes, you can protect an entire namespace, using some extensions. I wrote Lockdown for that. [00:20:37] nice... I'll check it out [00:20:42] but it's something you *configure*, not something you change every day. [00:20:43] but who does it lock it down too? [00:20:54] to the group you specify. [00:20:59] oh there are groups? [00:21:04] user groups, yes [00:21:07] page groups, no. [00:21:10] like sysop and burrocrat [00:21:13] yes# [00:21:20] what groups did you think i was talking about? [00:21:31] you talked about "their documents". [00:21:34] which doesn't exist., [00:21:37] sorrry [00:21:49] the problem is not user groups. the problems is that pages are not owned. [00:21:51] I ment if I put people in wiki groups [00:21:59] oh right [00:22:10] but I can certianly use namespaces for that though [00:22:26] nice my brain is bubbling over with ideas now... [00:22:27] abuse, yes. it wouldn't be very convenient. [00:22:43] Is there a theory about how certian wiki pages "feel" like they have owners and stagnate because of it? Like the way that everyone else ignores/avoids a particular page because of an perceived ownership rather than a literal ownership? [00:22:49] but thats what makes users feel comfortable... hahaha [00:22:54] like being a a womb [00:23:08] lol at TIM [00:23:14] i'm just sayin [00:23:20] thats great... [00:23:22] I got users who seriously just avoid certian pages. [00:23:59] sure, turfs evolve in communities. [00:24:00] so with something like "LockDown" I could put users in a group. and lock them down to a namespace as far as "Edit" goes... [00:24:23] it's more like locking them out of all other namespaces. but yes. [00:24:30] well, when it's your job to maintain the wikis, make them relevant, etc - it's really annoying when the users start like... thinking... [00:24:40] would that leave them able to read pages not in any namespace? [00:24:44] more typing, less thinking... [00:24:46] read/edit [00:24:53] well, you have user -> group -> permission setup anyway. but normally, that is global. lockdown makes it per namespace. [00:25:05] *TimLaqua is talking to himself again [00:25:15] *Klemo bows to Duesentrieb [00:25:16] permissions are fine grained: view, edit, move, create, etc etc [00:25:22] 03(mod) Initial letter case choice in transwiki import - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9943 (10danny_b) [00:25:35] ok and the million dollar question... [00:25:41] TimLaqua: naw, we hear ya. just can't talk to two people at once. [00:25:45] does LockDown work with 1.6? [00:25:46] well, not right now, anyway :P [00:25:49] Klemo: no. [00:25:56] hahaha [00:25:59] of course [00:26:01] Klemo: most nice things don't. [00:26:14] oh wait... [00:26:17] thats ok [00:26:32] we are talking about a wiki that is not installed on a brand new server... so it could be what ever I want... [00:26:35] swizzle... :) [00:26:58] ok guys... [00:27:07] I think I've absorbed as much as I need for now... [00:27:48] Oh and just so you all know... I still have not figured out why I can't get Math to create the PNG files in mediawiki 1.6 [00:27:56] Klemo: i really recommend to at least have one area everyone can edit. preferrably, leave all talk namespaces open to everyone. [00:27:59] but thats a continuation for another day [00:28:07] evil talk namespaces... [00:28:15] perhaps people will see the beauty of it all [00:28:28] i found that no one ever uses the talk pages... [00:28:39] I'd just as soon cut them out and save some DB space... lol [00:28:41] flood or famine. [00:29:01] but thats how I roll... I just cut shit off and ask questions later... [00:29:11] one good reason i'm just a grunt around here and not he boss... [00:29:25] most of these people would be walking around with one hand... [00:29:35] it sure is hard to get work done with just one hand... [00:29:49] but I've been trying to leave [00:29:51] so [00:29:51] Someone needs to write a Support Desk extension for MW.org [00:29:52] later [00:31:08] 03(mod) Special:Whatlinkshere and Special: Recentchangeslinked should have more descriptive - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11022 summary (10danny_b) [00:33:22] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Special:Randomredirect: no way offered to pick what namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11027 (10danny_b) [00:38:28] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) Special:Statistics link to Special:Listusers&group=sysop better - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11029 +comment (10danny_b) [00:44:44] <kiba> oh crap [00:45:25] <kiba> I forgot my password [00:46:21] <kiba> help? [00:46:34] <Duesentrieb> faq? [00:46:55] <Monk33> lol [00:49:05] <Monk33> I'm thinking about creating some template forms for user (profiles) that just need to be copied into the user page and filled out with information by the user. Also there should be standard template included to the user page after creating an account. any ideas how to best do it? So far I'd do it with table-templates. But is there maybe an extension or are there templates already? i've already seen some user pages on wikipedia but nothing really looking [00:54:09] <VoiceOfAll> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/bnewport/archive/2006/06/java_versus_php.html [00:54:17] <VoiceOfAll> hehe [00:55:25] <VoiceOfAll> http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Special:Version [00:55:41] <VoiceOfAll> Duesentrieb: 'HTMLets lets you inline HTML snippets from files Daniel Kinzler' [00:55:46] <VoiceOfAll> :) [01:28:03] <romano2k> Hi everyone! I'm looking for an easy way to generate a list of pages available on my wiki [01:28:38] <_Danny_B_> romano2k: Special:Allpages [01:29:03] <romano2k> hmmm, I mean i wan't to integrate a list of the pages in another page [01:29:11] <romano2k> (in the home page in fact) [01:32:56] <Monk33> I'd like to know that as well cos you#d to define the namespace in {{Special:Allpages}} [01:33:12] <Monk33> **you'd need to [01:33:46] <Monk33> {{Special:Allpages|&namespace=0}} [01:33:51] <Monk33> ok :D [01:34:50] <_Danny_B_> romano2k: use <categorytree> extension then [01:35:10] <romano2k> okay thank you [01:35:30] <romano2k> is there a "default category" for pages that aren't in a specific category ? [01:36:11] <Monk33> see Special:Specialpages > Uncategorized pages [01:36:14] <_Danny_B_> there might be other way which i don't know about (like other extension or so) so either search mediawiki.org or wait for further replies [01:49:16] <romano2k> http://sqf.shtak.fr/wiki/index.php/Charte_pour_pickup [01:49:28] <romano2k> is there an easy way to make this thing look like a law text [01:49:42] <romano2k> like having I.1.a. for example [02:11:11] <_Danny_B_> romano2k: yes. wrap it in <div class="lawlike"> and define styles in mediawiki:monobook.css [02:11:17] <_Danny_B_> such as [02:13:06] <_Danny_B_> div.lawlike ol li {list-style-type: upper-roman;} [02:13:18] <_Danny_B_> div.lawlike ol li ol li {list-style-type: decimal;} [02:13:36] <_Danny_B_> div.lawlike ol li ol li ol li {list-style-type: lower-alpha;} [02:17:05] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Special:Statistics ignores $wgDisableCounters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11034 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni) [02:29:10] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Special:Statistics link to Special:Listusers&group=sysop better - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11029 (10shinjiman) [02:32:28] <wikibugs> 14(WFM) Special:Statistics ignores $wgDisableCounters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11034 +comment (10danny_b) [02:35:40] <sacolcor> Is there an easy way to tell whether the value entered into a template parameter is a number or not? [02:40:17] <_Danny_B_> sacolcor: not exactly number, but expression which could be evaluated to number, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#.23ifexpr: [02:43:20] <sacolcor> Ah, okay, I think that'll work. Thanks! [02:44:58] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Special:Statistics should add link to Special:Listusers&group= sysop etc. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11029 trivial->15enhancement; summary; +comment (10jidanni) [02:49:14] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Special:Statistics ignores $wgDisableCounters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11034 (10jidanni) [03:34:45] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Search should adjust <title> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11035 15enhancement; lowest; MediaWiki: Search; (jidanni) [03:49:59] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Search: add "all namespaces" shortcut - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11036 15enhancement; lowest; MediaWiki: Search; (jidanni) [03:57:21] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Search: add "all namespaces" shortcut - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11036 +comment (10t.laqua) [03:57:38] <CIA-15> 03david * r25076 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtExtension.php: Threads no longer have talk pages of their own. [04:03:49] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Search: add "all namespaces" shortcut - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11036 (10jidanni) [04:05:45] <CIA-15> 03laner * r25077 10/trunk/extensions/LdapAuthentication/LdapAuthentication.php: * Fixing getCanonicalName() again. Instead of checking on $wgLDAPUseLocal, check $_SESSION['wsDomain'] == 'local' [04:29:26] <TheFearow> !simpleurl [04:29:26] <mwbot> To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. [04:35:29] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) include URLs in search indexing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11037 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: Search; (jidanni) [04:39:25] <wikibugs> 03(mod) include URLs in search indexing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11037 +comment (10fearow00) [04:57:36] <CIA-15> 03aaron * r25078 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount.i18n.php: *Tweak message [05:01:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) include URLs in search indexing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11037 (10jidanni) [05:06:11] <wikibugs> 03(mod) include URLs in search indexing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11037 (10fearow00) [06:57:03] <draz> hi [06:57:42] <draz> always no user of mediawiki with ldap authentication? [07:13:49] <draz> :-( [07:19:57] <IlyaHaykinson> hi folks. i am noticing that the parsing performed by, and the parsing done by Special:ExpandTemplates is slightly different (the latter expanding in a different order, perhaps). is there any way to delay template expansion or subst on a template? [07:28:18] <CIA-15> 03nikerabbit * r25079 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesNl.php: * Updates to Dutch (nl) translations [08:04:18] <Robert_Miller> Can anybody give me a little advice on importing the entire wikipedia database and creating a local copy? [08:07:25] <starter12345> how do I import the database dumps? I keep getting an error when uploading through phpmyadmin [08:10:39] <chat-de-plafond> starter12345: it would help if you told us the error [08:11:23] <starter12345> one second, trying again so I can get the error message [08:12:22] <starter12345> This is exactly what I'm getting [08:12:29] <starter12345> Error [08:12:30] <starter12345> SQL query: [08:12:33] <starter12345> -- MySQL dump 8.23 [08:12:35] <starter12345> -- [08:12:37] <starter12345> -- Host: 10.0.0.236 Database: enwiki [08:12:39] <starter12345> ------------------------------------------------------- -- [08:12:40] <starter12345> -- Server version 4.0.30-standard-log [08:12:42] <starter12345> -- [08:12:43] <chat-de-plafond> hold on hold on [08:12:44] <starter12345> -- Table structure for table `langlinks` [08:12:45] <starter12345> -- [08:12:46] <chat-de-plafond> !pastebin [08:12:46] <mwbot> Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as <http://mediawiki.pastey.net> and post a link to your paste in the channel. [08:12:47] <starter12345> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `langlinks` ; [08:12:48] <starter12345> MySQL said: Documentation [08:12:50] <starter12345> #1064 - You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '--------------------------------------------------------- [08:12:52] <starter12345> -- Server version 4.0.' at line 1 [08:13:16] <starter12345> new to irc... sorry! [08:15:06] <starter12345> Here is the problem: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72611-37wh [08:16:52] <chat-de-plafond> try dropping the comments at the start of it, I suppose. [08:17:26] <starter12345> what editor would I use? the file is huge! [08:18:26] <starter12345> and how come the comments are embedded if they are causing the error?