[00:00:58] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Downloading Chess.pdf does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11071  +comment (10brion)
[00:10:42] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r25220 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files): 
[00:10:42] <CIA-15>	*Add compression support on fr_text
[00:10:42] <CIA-15>	*Fix silly typos
[00:15:28] <VoiceOfAll>	gmaxwell: heh, that can take up a lot of space
[00:15:44] <VoiceOfAll>	like have extra mini-revision table
[00:26:38] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Downloading Chess.pdf does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11071  +comment (10daniel)
[00:27:10] <zocky>	is there a simple way to find out who created a page?
[00:27:31] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[00:27:37] <zocky>	or do I have to do getContributors(0,infinity)?
[00:28:02] <zocky>	hmm hmm
[00:28:19] <Duesentrieb>	you can construct an sql query to get the info. it's ok for a single page, but very inefficient if you want to do it in bulk
[00:28:21] <zocky>	i need to make it so that only the person who created the page and admins can edit it
[00:28:32] <Duesentrieb>	for recently created pages, you can use the recentchanges table, though. that's fast.
[00:29:07] <Duesentrieb>	zocky: page ownership sucks. it's a wiki, not groupware...
[00:29:17] <Duesentrieb>	if you really want this, make an extra table that records ownership.
[00:29:21] <zocky>	Duesentrieb, in my case, it's a GIS machine :)
[00:29:51] <Duesentrieb>	whatever
[00:36:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mailman search on mediawiki-api missing word database file or it' s inaccessible - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11088 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (danny_b)
[00:51:25] <amazingdave>	OK, so I changed skins on my wiki, and I changed the default in my localsettings.php but all my users stil either see the old skin or the site is broken for them
[00:51:27] <zocky>	ok, that wasn't that bad :)
[00:51:36] <amazingdave>	how do I force the new skin to show up for them
[00:52:12] <amazingdave>	I even renamed monobook to monobook2 thinking since monobook nolonger could be found it would select the default skin, but they are just seeing no skin now
[00:52:27] <zocky>	it would be in general a good idea if "default" skin in preferences meant default
[00:52:45] <amazingdave>	what do you mean?
[00:53:14] <amazingdave>	$wgDefaultSkin =  is what I changed...
[00:53:24] <amazingdave>	there must be some way to force it on all my users, right?
[00:55:45] <amazingdave>	in fact I'd really like to make it so they didnt have a choice for the skin at all
[01:43:03] <amazingdave>	hmm, I asked a little bit ago, but I am asking again, dang it...
[01:43:08] <amazingdave>	I changed the skin on my wiki
[01:43:13] <amazingdave>	many people didnt see the skin
[01:43:30] <amazingdave>	how can I force it to change for them?
[01:43:54] <amazingdave>	I took the skin tab out of the preferences screen
[01:44:01] <Simetrical>	Edit the database.  I think there's also a skin in maintenance/.
[01:44:06] <Simetrical>	Er, a script in maintenance/.
[01:44:07] <gmaxwell>	amazingdave, so go edit their records in the database.
[01:44:15] <Simetrical>	That will change user preferences.
[01:44:30] <amazingdave>	how do I get to the script?
[01:44:47] <amazingdave>	I forgot my database password... I was gonna try that, I am waiting for my host to get back to me
[01:45:50] <Simetrical>	. . . Look for it in LocalSettings.php.  You do have FTP access, don't you?
[01:46:00] <amazingdave>	ya
[01:46:08] <amazingdave>	I am there
[01:46:18] <Simetrical>	Anyway, you can't (easily) run maintenance scripts without shell access, so if you don't have that then never mind.
[01:46:41] <amazingdave>	sigh... I dont even know what shell access is...
[01:46:57] <amazingdave>	I need someone who knows what the heck they are doing to be the administrator of this site...
[01:49:35] <VoiceOfAll>	flyingparchment: http://pa.us.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[01:51:04] <amazingdave>	I wish there were more admin settings within the actual wiki...
[02:02:03] <Simetrical>	amazingdave, yeah, MW sucks in that regard pretty badly.  It's not good for non-techy people to administer.
[02:02:36] <amazingdave>	even worse if they ever add in more built in features upgrading is gonna be a nightmare
[02:02:49] <amazingdave>	I've made so many changes...
[02:02:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) WM-PA repeated db-error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11089 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (cbrown1023)
[02:03:23] <amazingdave>	I've been trying to hack my myphpadmin login for like 15 minutes... I am not even sure what my login is...
[02:06:24] <amazingdave>	ok... I dont know it, I give up
[02:09:44] <MartinCleaver>	after I've created a new skin, how do I move all existing users to that skin?
[02:10:00] <MartinCleaver>	They see it before they log in, but after they get monobook
[02:10:07] <amazingdave>	haha
[02:10:14] <amazingdave>	I'm having the same problem
[02:10:20] <MartinCleaver>	:)
[02:10:51] <amazingdave>	they reccomended to me to login to the database and manually change it somehow, unfortunately i forgot my database login
[02:11:16] <MartinCleaver>	I tried that, but it doesn't help because its a blob:
[02:11:26] <MartinCleaver>	phpmyadmin says it can't edit blobs
[02:11:48] <amazingdave>	hmm, well if you figure out let me know
[02:11:59] <MartinCleaver>	likewise
[02:12:02] <MartinCleaver>	:)
[02:13:35] <amazingdave>	!!!
[02:13:36] <amazingdave>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Skins#Ensure_users_using_skipped_skins_use_the_default_instead
[02:15:50] *MartinCleaver 	reads
[02:17:59] <MartinCleaver>	thanks, amazingdave
[02:18:08] <MartinCleaver>	shame I have to edit the code :(
[02:19:01] <amazingdave>	ya, hopefully you wont ruin everything, like I surely will
[02:19:22] <MartinCleaver>	well it's just a pain to maintain, and upgrade
[02:22:07] <amazingdave>	ya, I just broke my site...
[02:24:17] <MartinCleaver>	anyone in here consider themself a wiki consultant?
[02:29:08] <amazingdave>	I dont get where I am supposed to paste the middle part
[02:29:18] <amazingdave>	The middle section needs to be inserted into the "normalizeKey( $key )" function in the "includes/Skin.php" file.
[02:37:57] <CIA-15>	03rotem * r25221 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (checkExtensioni18n.php checkLanguage.inc checkLanguage.php): Using (optional) parameters instead of globals in checkLanguage.inc.
[02:44:31] <amazingdave>	Ok, so I just messed everything up and my site is proken
[02:44:57] <amazingdave>	anyone know where I can find a fresh includes/skin.php file to hopefully make things work again
[02:51:49] <amazingdave>	sigh, ok I was able to restore it to working condition
[02:59:51] <amazingdave>	ok, can someone help.... when I try to instal this edit it makes my page not work
[03:00:13] <amazingdave>	the first and last sections I copy and pasted over the esixting codes
[03:00:19] <amazingdave>	the middle one i think is the problem
[03:00:26] <amazingdave>	The middle section needs to be inserted into the "normalizeKey( $key )" function in the "includes/Skin.php" file.
[03:00:34] <amazingdave>	it says, but i dont get where that is
[03:00:43] <amazingdave>	inside of the ()?
[03:01:22] <Simetrical>	amazingdave, we don't particularly support hacks like that.  It's best to ask the author of the hack, who gave you the instructions.
[03:01:48] <Simetrical>	If you don't understand the instructions, it's likely a bad idea to try following them, since you will tend to break your site.
[03:04:14] <amazingdave>	sigh... I hate computer machines and the internets
[03:09:58] <amazingdave>	well I guess I am out of luck
[03:17:14] <amazingdave>	how do I check what version of mediawiki I am running?
[03:17:38] <Simetrical>	amazingdave, Special:Version.
[03:20:18] <evanpro>	Simetrical: how do I check what the most recent changes to the wiki have been?
[03:20:42] <Simetrical>	evanpro, look at Special:Recentchanges?
[03:20:48] <evanpro>	!!
[03:20:59] <evanpro>	Well, you seem to have all the answers.
[03:21:15] <evanpro>	Where could I get a list of all these "special pages"?
[03:21:16] *Simetrical 	waits for someone to ask him how to find their contributions to the wiki
[03:21:33] <Simetrical>	evanpro, Special:Specialpages :P
[03:21:42] <evanpro>	I'm trying to think of some other ones that are pretty much self-explanatory
[03:22:17] <Simetrical>	Where can I get a list of pages that are unwatched?
[03:22:28] <Simetrical>	How can I block an IP?
[03:22:55] <evanpro>	Actually most of the special pages have names that sound exactly like what they do
[03:23:14] <Simetrical>	Well, yes, that's our little attempt at good naming practices.
[03:23:18] <evanpro>	But that might be because I think like a MW person thinks
[03:23:28] *Simetrical 	eyes Special:Recentchangeslinked dubiously
[03:23:46] <Simetrical>	But you have to know that special pages are the primary function of doing things and gathering information in the wiki.
[03:23:58] <Simetrical>	Which isn't immediately obvious if all you do is edit, view histories, etc.
[03:24:37] <evanpro>	Simetrical: I think I've trolled you too hard
[03:24:43] <evanpro>	For which I apologize
[03:24:58] <Simetrical>	You aren't trolling anything . . .
[03:25:04] <evanpro>	OK
[03:25:05] <evanpro>	Good
[03:25:28] <Simetrical>	For the first question I wasn't totally sure if you were serious, after that it was obvious.
[03:25:42] <evanpro>	So, here's a better philosophical question: when should something be an action, and when should it be a special page?
[03:26:01] <evanpro>	I think we added actions up until we realized that we had too many actions, then we switched over to special pages
[03:26:10] <Simetrical>	It should be an action if it was added to the software before special pages were invented, and a special page otherwise.
[03:26:12] <evanpro>	I don't think there's a bright-line rule
[03:26:14] <Simetrical>	Or at least that's our philosophy.
[03:26:25] <evanpro>	Yeah
[03:26:52] <evanpro>	I have... 3 actions I added to the switch statement before we started doing more specials
[03:27:26] <amidaniel>	hmmm .. generally I think of actions when it's really just associated with a certain title
[03:27:39] <amidaniel>	Of course that doesn't hold up always, but seems to be the general "rule"
[03:27:44] <evanpro>	I think actions when it makes sense as a method of the Article class
[03:28:07] <Simetrical>	If deletion were implemented today, it would be Special:Delete.
[03:28:09] <Simetrical>	Ditto protection.
[03:28:20] <evanpro>	Well, we have lots of specials that take a target= parameter, or just have a slash parameter.
[03:28:21] <amidaniel>	Indeed
[03:28:26] <Simetrical>	Editing is fundamental enough to stay an action, and maybe history, but not much else.
[03:28:29] <amidaniel>	Not sure if it would be a good choice though
[03:28:37] <amidaniel>	action=delete is very sensible, sort of like action=edit
[03:28:38] <Simetrical>	I think it would be.  It gives a consistent interface.
[03:28:47] <Simetrical>	Consistent, although unusual.
[03:28:47] <evanpro>	See, I'd say the opposite: delete, protect, etc. would be actions
[03:28:55] <evanpro>	And Special:History/Title
[03:29:00] <amidaniel>	One could argue the inconsistency was introduced by things like Special:Undelete
[03:29:18] <Simetrical>	amidaniel, also sort of like action=oversight and action=unprotect and action=undelete, right?
[03:29:42] <Simetrical>	I'd probably go in totally the opposite direction.
[03:29:43] <Simetrical>	Kill all actions.
[03:29:46] <Simetrical>	Special:Edit/pagename
[03:29:56] <Simetrical>	It's the most consistent approach.
[03:30:01] <amidaniel>	Hmm
[03:30:11] <amidaniel>	I dunno .. seems like a strange approach
[03:30:17] <amidaniel>	Maybe it's just what you've gotten used to though :)
[03:30:24] <evanpro>	Special:Talk/Pagename
[03:30:38] <evanpro>	Special:View/Pagename
[03:30:40] <Simetrical>	evanpro, no, talk pages are normal pages, not special pages.
[03:30:57] <Simetrical>	Normal pages contain user-added content, special pages don't.
[03:31:02] <evanpro>	Simetrical: gee, my reductio ad absurdum turned out absurd...?
[03:31:06] <Simetrical>	(not counting admins fiddling with the messages)
[03:31:07] <Simetrical>	:P
[03:31:14] <Simetrical>	See, I don't know you well enough.
[03:31:18] <evanpro>	Sorry
[03:31:38] <Simetrical>	If you were flyingparchment I would probably have ignored those last two lines as clearly sarcastic.
[03:31:54] <evanpro>	It's funny, because we talk pretty often on this channel, but I think you talk to a lot of people here
[03:32:00] <amidaniel>	evanpro: Took a while longer for Simetrical to find it absurd than I though :)
[03:32:37] <evanpro>	I was trying to think of a counter-example, where special pages contain user-added content
[03:32:48] <evanpro>	All I can think of is Special:Log, which is kind of a stretch
[03:33:09] <Simetrical>	That's not user-editable, anyway.
[03:33:27] <evanpro>	Well, just barely. I mean, they can add summaries and stuff.
[03:33:33] <Simetrical>	Not edit them.
[03:33:37] <Simetrical>	And its primary purpose is not the user-editable content, even if it were editable.
[03:33:39] <evanpro>	Fair dinkum
[03:33:49] <Simetrical>	The actual wiki pages are non-special, they're just . . . wiki pages.
[03:34:10] <evanpro>	OK, I'm going to create a special page that contains just user-editable content, just to be a counter-example
[03:34:30] <evanpro>	For no good reason whatsoever
[03:34:34] <Simetrical>	Yes, but it will be a clearly inappropriate use of special pages, and it won't be in the core software, so I can ignore it.
[03:34:44] <evanpro>	Oh, I can commit it to the core software
[03:34:59] <Simetrical>	Not for long.
[03:35:01] <evanpro>	Then you'll have to support it in this very channel!
[03:35:04] <evanpro>	!!
[03:35:13] <evanpro>	Don't forget 3RR
[03:35:41] <Simetrical>	I think for commits it's more like 1RR and then brion gives everyone a smack.
[03:35:47] <evanpro>	B-)
[03:35:48] <Simetrical>	But I've never tried.
[03:35:57] <evanpro>	Isn't that weird?
[03:36:13] <Simetrical>	Kind of like wheel-warring, but awesomer and more pointless (given that it won't go live until brion's reviewed it anyway).
[03:36:28] <evanpro>	OK, gotta go put the baby to sleep
[03:36:35] <evanpro>	Good night floks, fun as always
[03:36:58] <Simetrical>	flock(*evanpro);
[03:37:38] *Simetrical 	would do fwrite() now but can't for the life of him remember the syntax
[03:37:57] <Simetrical>	(C++ had a good thing going with I/O streams, easy to remember for the most part and the same for everything)
[03:38:24] <Simetrical>	s/had/has/
[03:42:06] <amazingdave>	how do I find an error log?
[03:42:18] <Simetrical>	For what?  Apache, MySQL, PHP, or MediaWIki?
[03:42:27] <amazingdave>	mediawiki
[03:43:07] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki itself keeps no logs by default.  You need to enable it in LocalSettings.php, check Google or mediawiki.org for instructions.
[03:57:05] <reb00t>	hi all
[03:57:16] <reb00t>	how do i create a link to a windows file share?
[03:57:21] <reb00t>	as in \\servername\
[03:58:44] <reb00t>	any1 here?
[04:23:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) WM-PA repeated db-error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11089  15enhancement->normal;  +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[04:33:30] <amazingdave>	man I wish there was a way to make everyone get a google apps account for my domain when they registered on the wiki
[05:00:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable CAPTCHA for bot flagged accounts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11078  (10fearow00)
[05:04:45] <jeremyb>	amazingdave: huh?!? why?
[05:05:17] <amazingdave>	?
[05:05:30] <jeremyb>	last thing you said
[05:07:01] <amazingdave>	oh, well right now i just have a note on my wiki to email me and ask if they want an account on google apps
[05:07:23] <amazingdave>	so we all have @consumersolidarity.org email addresses
[05:08:39] <jeremyb>	ohhh
[05:09:43] <jeremyb>	hrmm
[05:09:51] <jeremyb>	didn't google apps used to be free?
[05:10:18] <amazingdave>	it is still
[05:10:51] <amazingdave>	everyone can get a free @gmail.com account, but if somoene wants one with my domain, I think i have to add them manually
[05:10:56] <amazingdave>	I havnt seen anything automated
[05:15:18] <jeremyb>	do you pay for it?
[05:15:23] <amazingdave>	no
[05:15:31] <amazingdave>	there is a free and a paid option
[05:15:42] <amazingdave>	I dont really know what you get for the paid plan
[05:15:43] <jeremyb>	are you a non-profit?
[05:15:48] <amazingdave>	but the free one rocks
[05:15:55] <amazingdave>	well, I guess you could say so
[05:16:06] <amazingdave>	but I use it at work for free too
[05:16:08] <amazingdave>	at a business
[05:16:22] <jeremyb>	i mean the consumersolidarity people
[05:16:42] <amazingdave>	oh, well not registered as one, but we dont make any money off it
[05:17:10] <amazingdave>	I suppose we are not as organized as a non-profit
[05:17:25] <amazingdave>	plus there are only really 3 of us actively involved at the moment
[05:17:53] <amazingdave>	we are planning to leaflet an anarchist's book fair though, so that might get some members
[05:18:37] <amazingdave>	income/expences go though, theres no income, and I cover any expences
[05:19:57] <jeremyb>	you want the provisioning API: http://code.google.com/apis/apps/start.html
[05:19:59] <jeremyb>	:(
[05:22:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable CAPTCHA for bot flagged accounts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11078  (10wmbugzilla)
[05:22:33] <jeremyb>	oooh, that was finally fixed!.... i guess it was just lagging :-/
[05:23:08] *jeremyb 	scratches head
[05:26:19] <amazingdave>	hrm
[05:26:28] <amazingdave>	it looks like that would get expensive
[05:26:38] <amazingdave>	50/user/year to get that
[05:26:47] <amazingdave>	plus i probably wouldnt be able to figure it out anyway
[05:27:32] <amazingdave>	sure would be neat though
[05:38:42] <scratchii>	hi
[05:39:04] <scratchii>	do you know if there is a possibility to rip pages from a mediawiki project ?
[05:39:14] <scratchii>	 (such as wikipedia for example)
[05:39:44] <scratchii>	something to export to pdf, or whatever standard
[05:40:33] <scratchii>	i heard of some sort of library under fuse which could perhaps do the trick
[05:40:40] <scratchii>	but.. well i dont know :P
[05:40:55] <scratchii>	they dont have a wikipedia page about that :O
[06:06:20] <piksi>	is there a solution to this yet: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Google_Maps#Working_with_templates ?
[06:06:39] <piksi>	this seems to be a general template-related parser problem (it has a wikimedia bug report)
[06:17:05] <_wooz>	lo
[06:18:21] <agaran>	what i will break if rename namespace? (ie from bookshelf to books)
[06:18:51] <puzzlet>	backlinks?
[06:19:08] <agaran>	only?
[06:19:22] <puzzlet>	think so, i'm not an expert though
[06:19:29] <agaran>	or safe way is rename pages to main namespace then rename namespace in LocalSettings then rename back ?
[06:19:50] <agaran>	i could sacrifice backlinks because all of them are by categories so will surviwe
[06:34:12] <piksi>	so, how many of you tried using an extension in a template? i would guess at least someone has encountered the problem where the parser doesn't transfer the template variables to the extension but rather the {{{xyz}}} strings
[06:34:57] <Raymond_>	piksi: yeah. it's bug 2257
[06:35:35] <gmaxwell>	I heard jeluf had worked on a fix for that.
[06:38:37] <piksi>	Raymond_: well, i patched parser.php with the latest patch on the bug page on bugzilla but noticed no difference in behaviour with mediawiki 1.10.1
[06:38:41] <agaran>	something changed in wiki that $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedByDefault seems to be ignored?
[06:38:54] <piksi>	it would be mighty useful to get a workaround
[06:40:49] <piksi>	gmaxwell: is that downloadable somewhere? it's not listed on the bug attachments
[06:40:59] <agaran>	ok found, they are shadowed by UPO settings
[06:47:01] <zocky>	what specifically deletes the old thumbnails when you upload a new version?
[06:49:37] <CIA-15>	03rfrisar * r25222 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/: made a copy
[07:14:25] <VoiceOfAll>	Raymond_: # (diff) (hist) . . N User:Voice of All/bidi test/‪‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‪‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮‎; 23:26 . . (+14) . . Voice of All (Talk | contribs | block) (test :))
[07:15:33] <JeLuF>	piksi: There's a hook for it in the parser. It's a different hook than the normal extension hook. Extensions have to use the new hook if they want the new behaviour. Otherwise, it might break functionality. e.g. <math> uses {} itself
[07:15:36] <Raymond_>	VoiceOfAll: what's that?
[07:15:49] <VoiceOfAll>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Voice_of_All/bidi_test/%E2%80%AA%E2%80%AB%E2%80%AC%E2%80%AD%E2%80%AE%E2%80%AA%E2%80%AB%E2%80%AC%E2%80%AD%E2%80%AA%E2%80%AB%E2%80%AC%E2%80%AD%E2%80%AE%E2%80%AA%E2%80%AB%E2%80%AC%E2%80%AD%E2%80%AE
[07:17:03] <piksi>	JeLuF: does the hook exist in 1.10.1 already or in the patch on 2257 i did?
[07:19:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable patrolled edits on Bengali Wikipedia (bn.wp) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11042  (10bellayet)
[07:28:42] <Lo-lan-do>	Hi all.  Is there any documentation on how to call MW functions from an external app?
[07:29:48] <Lo-lan-do>	I'm trying to integrate Mediawiki into a Gforge plugin, and I'd like to synchronise the user accounts.
[07:30:19] <Lo-lan-do>	But I'd rather use the methods provided by the Mediawiki code rather than access the database directly...
[07:31:17] <Dantman>	You could either try an AuthPlugin or include the includes/WebStart.php
[07:32:22] <Lo-lan-do>	I don't have WebStart.php, only WebRequest.php.  I guess it was introduced after the version I use (1.7.1).
[07:33:10] <Lo-lan-do>	I'll read AuthPlugin.php and see what I find there.  Thanks for the pointer.
[07:34:49] <Lo-lan-do>	Hm.  It seems to be the wrong way around for my needs.
[07:35:22] <Lo-lan-do>	From what I read, it allows MW to call external code, while I'd like it the other way round.
[07:39:44] <CIA-15>	03david * r25223 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (26 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[07:39:44] <CIA-15>	Merged revisions 25126-25214 via svnmerge from
[07:39:44] <CIA-15>	svn+ssh://david@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3
[07:39:44] <CIA-15>	........
[07:39:44] <CIA-15>	 r25133 | tstarling | 2007-08-25 06:54:12 -0700 (Sat, 25 Aug 2007) | 1 line
[07:39:45] <CIA-15>	 Update img_sha1 only when it's really needed, instead of in maybeUpgradeRow().
[07:39:49] <CIA-15>	........
[07:41:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) a property that says it has_type Type:Page exports as owl: DatatypeProperty - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11076  (10mak)
[07:50:56] <MinuteElectron>	Whoa!
[07:51:04] <MinuteElectron>	Did I just see what I think I saw.
[07:51:12] <MinuteElectron>	liquidthreads in trunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:51:47] <Lo-lan-do>	I'm not that familiar with SVN, but the merge seemed to be the other way round.
[07:51:59] <MinuteElectron>	oh
[07:52:00] <MinuteElectron>	:(
[07:52:40] *MinuteElectron 	goes and sorts out his svn server instead of being happy...
[07:56:13] <Raymond_>	Lo-lan-do: liquidthreads are still in a branch, not in trunk
[07:58:17] <Lo-lan-do>	Tell that to MinuteElectron :-)
[07:58:26] <Lo-lan-do>	(I have no idea what they are)
[07:58:29] <Raymond_>	Lo-lan-do: oh sorry 
[07:58:44] <Raymond_>	MinuteElectron: see my words to Lo-lan-do :D
[08:02:21] <piksi>	JeLuF: so does using the new hook require big changes to the existing code or would i be able to do it for some extensions (such as googlemaps) with my mediocre php-skills?
[08:02:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wrong URL redirection when using {{#forminput}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11090 major; high; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (math.smeets)
[08:02:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) a property that says it has_type Type:Page exports as owl: DatatypeProperty - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11076  +comment (10mak)
[08:02:37] <MinuteElectron>	Raymond_: Yeah :(
[08:05:43] <feiming>	if i have my an existing user table,how do i make mediawiki to authenticate user using that DB?
[08:06:06] <feiming>	and the table is not in mediawiki username and password format
[08:10:22] <Lo-lan-do>	I guess I can pass on the suggestion to use AuthPlugin.php
[08:18:19] <faceface>	so.... I see <big>, but is there a <huge> (or similar)?
[08:18:46] <feiming>	Lo-lan-do: how do i use it?any simple example?
[08:19:02] <faceface>	<massive> ?
[08:19:57] <Lo-lan-do>	feiming: No idea, my problem is the other way around.
[08:20:06] <faceface>	<bazonging>?
[08:20:11] <feiming>	Lo-lan-do: lol
[08:20:16] <feiming>	Lo-lan-do: thanks anyway
[08:20:38] <faceface>	or just <big><big><big>Wow!</big></big></big> !
[08:41:10] <feiming>	can i make mediawiki to check session?
[08:41:17] <feiming>	only check the session
[08:41:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) internationalization : French language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11091 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (bertrand.grondin)
[08:47:26] <Sadik>	hi, Where can I request for change in project name (ml.wiktionary.org)?
[08:47:39] <MinuteElectron>	bugzilla
[08:48:34] <Sadik>	thnaks
[09:01:38] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r25224 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.i18n.fr.php: 
[09:01:38] <CIA-15>	* (bug 11091) Update French translations
[09:01:38] <CIA-15>	 Patch by Bertrand GRONDIN
[09:01:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) internationalization : French language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11091  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[09:02:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change in Malayam Wiktionary {{SITENAME}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11093 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (sadik.khalid)
[09:02:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) French Language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11092 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bertrand.grondin)
[09:08:18] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r25225 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php: 
[09:08:18] <CIA-15>	* (bug 11092) Update French translations
[09:08:18] <CIA-15>	 Patch by Bertrand GRONDIN
[09:20:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change in Malayam Wiktionary {{SITENAME}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11093   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[09:20:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) French Language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11092  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[10:00:39] <CIA-15>	03proes * r25226 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (6 files): Introduced Structure->supportsAttribute. This check is disabled by default but can be turned on for debugging. After all problems exposed by the check have been solved, the check will be turned on permanently.
[10:06:40] <CIA-15>	03rainman * r25227 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/src/org/wikimedia/lsearch/ (30 files in 11 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[10:06:40] <CIA-15>	Nicely balanced did you mean implementation:
[10:06:40] <CIA-15>	* spell-check words, reconstruct phrases and try finding them in the index
[10:06:40] <CIA-15>	* ngram tweeks: drop the circular ngrams, use start field (except for
[10:06:40] <CIA-15>	 short words)
[10:06:42] <CIA-15>	* added title field, for checking whole titles
[10:06:46] <CIA-15>	* predefined set of stop words
[10:26:24] <CIA-15>	03proes * r25228 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (GetDM.php SaveDM.php): Renamed "defined-meaning-full-defining-expression" to "defined-meaning-complete-defining-expression"
[10:59:35] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Image upload replacements should create watchlist entry - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[11:03:50] <agaran>	is there some kind of diet version of mediawiki? ie more lightweight ? mine home-only wiki for storing various notes is slow 
[11:05:37] <rudi>	hey there, i didn'T find a description on how to set a "normal" link on an image... is it only possible via <imagemap>?
[11:06:11] <Raymond_>	rudi: yes
[11:06:34] <rudi>	Raymond_: okidoki, thx!
[11:26:45] <ThomasV>	is it possible to use another separatorthan "/" for subpages ?
[11:26:53] <Duesentrieb>	agaran: there are lightweight wikis. mediawiki is not one of them: it's designed to be scalable, not lean.
[11:30:14] <MinuteElectron>	9/w 13
[11:31:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  (10beta)
[11:33:00] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special: BrokenRedirects links deleted redirects to a non-existent page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7890  +comment (10webboy)
[11:53:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fix API help - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11094 trivial; low; MediaWiki: API; (vasilievvv)
[11:55:41] <wally>	hi! can somebody tell me how can I remove "Main Page" header from the main page?
[11:57:34] <Cometstyles>	heh Move it ;)
[11:57:38] <zocky>	wally, it's a javascript thing
[11:57:52] <Cometstyles>	then change the  [[MediaWiki:Titlepage]] ;)
[11:59:23] <c1|freaky>	hi all. im trying to set up a wiki: http://wiki.code-1.de ... can someone tell me how i can get mediawiki to remove that index.php/ from urls and just use the article name?
[12:00:40] <wally>	zocky: I tried editing common.js
[12:01:11] <wally>	I'll try Cometstyles suggestion
[12:01:12] <wally>	thanks
[12:01:13] <ialexandre>	c1|freaky: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[12:01:23] <c1|freaky>	thank you
[12:01:30] <zocky>	wally, you have to do ctrl-refresh after you edit .js and .css pages
[12:02:06] <wally>	damn that must have been it (:
[12:02:28] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[12:13:08] <faceface>	wikinexplique?
[12:16:24] <omgs>	Hi
[12:17:02] <omgs>	Is there any chance that a =title= (<h1>title</h1>) has an initial number different from "1"?
[12:19:27] <Duesentrieb>	I don't think so.
[12:19:42] <Duesentrieb>	note that numbering can be turned off as a user preference
[12:22:08] <omgs>	Duesentrieb: I'm googling and it seems CSS2 allows 'counter-reset'
[12:22:47] <stamb>	hi guys!
[12:23:11] <stamb>	any ide how to delete a file in wiki
[12:23:42] <omgs>	So I just wonder how to embed CSS in a page
[12:24:14] <omgs>	I just didn't try, just waiting for suggestions while I test something...
[12:29:05] <omgs>	I put <style> ... </style>, but it was ignored
[12:29:16] <omgs>	I'm not an html nor css expert
[12:32:28] <omgs>	In the html source, the section I wrote is embedded in <pre> ... </pre>
[12:41:05] <omgs>	Duesentrieb: I've found my small code to work in a single html file, setting a random initial number
[12:41:35] <faceface>	omgs: some MediaWiki extension will allow arbitrary CSS I beleive
[12:42:06] <omgs>	faceface: can you give more details, please?
[12:42:30] <faceface>	I forget... 
[12:42:30] <omgs>	And I just wonder if I could write an own "keyword" for that
[12:42:56] <faceface>	can you tell me if your CSS can reset a # list to start from 2?
[12:43:03] <omgs>	yes
[12:43:45] <omgs>	At least, I've tried with h1, and no problem
[12:43:59] <omgs>	But the method seems general, taken from w3.org
[12:44:25] <faceface>	omgs: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:All_extensions the first page alone has lots of hits to 'css'
[12:44:33] <faceface>	(the first 200 extensions)
[12:44:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	hmm, CSS?
[12:45:05] <Jack_Phoenix>	Page CSS is a nice extension ;)
[12:45:40] <faceface>	where is it at?
[12:45:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	MediaWiki's SVN repository
[12:45:56] <faceface>	I have some # lists that I want to offset by 2
[12:46:08] <faceface>	Jack_Phoenix: where is it described?
[12:46:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	nowhere really
[12:46:21] <Jack_Phoenix>	well, the file has some comments, but meh
[12:46:25] <Jack_Phoenix>	it works and it's nice
[12:46:34] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/PageCSS/
[12:46:39] <faceface>	oh.... 
[12:47:48] <omgs>	Jack_Phoenix: do you understand what I want to get?
[12:48:02] <Jack_Phoenix>	dunno, I came in just a moment ago. mind explaining it please? :)
[12:48:32] <omgs>	I think it would be cool if with a keyword such __H1 22__, h1 counter was reset to that number 
[12:49:07] <omgs>	So, =my title= was displayed as "22 my title"
[12:49:20] <omgs>	and html <h1>my title</h1>
[12:49:35] <faceface>	omgs: show us the css to get that effect?
[12:50:09] <DRoBeR>	Hello all :)
[12:50:32] <omgs>	faceface: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html
[12:50:45] <omgs>	search "counter-reset"
[12:51:03] <omgs>	in the page, I mean
[12:51:06] <faceface>	omgs: it is possible you could more easily say "{{H1|22}}"
[12:51:17] <omgs>	faceface: let me try...
[12:51:30] <faceface>	omgs: it wont work until you build it
[12:51:38] <faceface>	using one of the css extensions
[12:52:29] <omgs>	faceface: you mean a custom keyword (instead of the probably ugly I typed before)?
[12:53:17] <faceface>	omgs: wiki uses keywords like __SOME_SUCH__, but they are 'deep' in the sense that you need to hack code if you want to build one.
[12:53:20] <DRoBeR>	I'm installing a new Debian system with a new version of MediaWiki and I want to export the complete wiki and import the articles again into the new machine. Is posible to do this without expoting the articles one by one? :)
[12:53:51] <omgs>	faceface: no problem if it works in a "standard" mediawiki way
[12:53:54] <Platonides>	yes
[12:54:02] <faceface>	if you install a CSS extension, you can put your counter offset into some page, or more eligantly, put it into a template. Then you can call that template onto any page using the style of code I pasted.
[12:54:41] <DRoBeR>	I tried exporting and importing the DB but it fails :S in a SQL syntaxis telling me that it can not find a column...
[12:55:08] <faceface>	omgs: you need to understand 'Extensions' and 'Templates' before asking any more questions... unless you question is about Templates or Extensions ;-)
[12:55:13] <omgs>	faceface: gan you provide "mediawiki-newbie" proof instructions?
[12:55:25] <faceface>	omgs: now you must die!!! only joking
[12:55:43] <faceface>	er.... gota go... omgs  read up!!!
[12:55:46] <omgs>	faceface: I think I know enough to install it myself, just newbie about mediawiki
[12:56:09] <wtfs>	hi omgs 
[12:56:22] <omgs>	I'm a server admin for many years, but not used to mediawiki structure
[12:56:37] <wtfs>	omgs: it takes a lot of reading, but its worth it.
[12:56:44] <wtfs>	people here will tell you what to read ;-)
[12:57:06] <omgs>	wtfs: I know html and css basics, just the way to "insert" them in mw
[12:57:37] <omgs>	In short, where to put the files after download
[12:57:52] <omgs>	And what to download, of course
[13:00:06] <omgs>	wtfs: any url?
[13:00:31] <omgs>	I can give you my mail, if you want
[13:01:32] <omgs>	Jack_Phoenix: did you get the point?
[13:01:50] <CIA-15>	03wegge * r25229 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDa.php: Updated da translations
[13:01:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	not really...but perhaps someone wiser can help you :-)
[13:02:41] <omgs>	I just want the =title" (<h1>title</h1) to start at something higher than 1
[13:07:36] *omgs 	goes for lunch
[13:19:40] <dtolj>	anyone know when i remove a user from wikidb, shouldn't it write the same user credentials when logging in using LDAP
[13:30:08] <CIA-15>	03proes * r25230 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiAttributes.php: Better way of adding objectAttributes to an attribute that needs annotation.
[13:30:52] <Cometstyles>	O_O
[13:40:27] *VasilVV 	sees some SVN commit, but he don't think that just apply a patch he sent is very complicated task
[13:48:08] <wtfs>	omgs: google MediaWiki Templates
[13:53:38] <Jack_Phoenix>	hiya brion :)
[13:54:57] *brion 	waves
[14:09:00] <AzaTht>	what exactly has been changed inthe image d eletion routine?
[14:09:19] <CIA-15>	03kim * r25231 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Added __tostring methods to several classes
[14:17:46] <CIA-15>	03rainman * r25232 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/src/org/wikimedia/lsearch/spell/ (Suggest.java api/TitleIndexer.java): Spellchek correct words only when they appear in titles.
[14:37:55] <CIA-15>	03kim * r25233 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (OmegaWikiAttributes.php Transaction.php): 
[14:37:55] <CIA-15>	History bug repaired (new OWattributes should not be defined outside owattributes?
[14:37:55] <CIA-15>	!! Possible collision with PeterJan.... (Merge is a single entire commented block,
[14:37:55] <CIA-15>	should be ok)
[14:53:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page preview is not shown on first edit even if preload= is passed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11095 minor; low; MediaWiki: Page editing; (paolo)
[15:04:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Downloading Chess.pdf does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11071  +comment (10brion)
[15:11:18] <CIA-15>	03proes * r25234 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiRecordSets.php: Solved small problem
[15:12:10] <tradin>	Help me money, simply click on any link to casino.cutpics.com
[15:12:31] <^demon>	Please don't spam.
[15:13:57] <tradin>		very sorry
[15:14:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable CAPTCHA for bot flagged accounts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11078  (10brion)
[15:14:32] <faceface>	hmm... I am trying to export "Template:LCCN" and I added "Add pages from category:" with a value of "External link templates", however, only one template is exported... what is up?
[15:15:09] <faceface>	oh... I guess I have to hit 'Add' right?
[15:15:20] <Raymond_>	faceface: right :)
[15:15:31] <Lo-lan-do>	Can I influence the MW authentication (and session) process from within a skin, or is that code invoked too late?
[15:15:39] <faceface>	yikes... its big!
[15:16:30] <faceface>	but not huge ... 526K
[15:16:36] <^demon>	Lo-lan-do: If I remember correctly, Authentication occurs long before the skin is loaded, because it needs to know what skin to load from a user.
[15:16:41] <Lo-lan-do>	Hm.  I guess it's too late, since before the skin is loaded MW has to know what skin to load, hence
[15:16:51] <Lo-lan-do>	Right :-)
[15:16:58] <faceface>	any other categories to hit if I am nicking the citation functionality?
[15:17:47] <Lo-lan-do>	^demon: On the other hand, the skin file could be loaded earlier, but the code not called until needed?
[15:18:35] <faceface>	Citation templates I guess
[15:18:36] <^demon>	Lo-lan-do: Not sure.
[15:18:42] <CIA-15>	03mark * r25235 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-appserver/debian/ (changelog control): 
[15:18:42] <CIA-15>	wikimedia-task-appserver (1.9) feisty; urgency=low
[15:18:42] <CIA-15>	 * Add dependency on php5-fss
[15:21:48] <Lo-lan-do>	Hm.  Seems it is too late.  Damn.
[15:24:14] <Lo-lan-do>	Then I'm back at the drawing board, trying to set up a MW session from the page that embeds MW (in an iframe).
[15:26:40] <evanm>	can a dev look at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 ? It's been open for 2+ years and has a patch.
[15:31:28] <CIA-15>	03robchurch * r25236 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): (bug 11095) Honour "preview on first edit" preference when preloading text for a non-existent page
[15:31:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Page preview is not shown on first edit even if preload= is passed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11095  +comment (10robchur)
[15:36:56] <CIA-15>	03mark * r25237 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-appserver/debian/ (changelog control): 
[15:36:56] <CIA-15>	wikimedia-task-appserver (1.10) feisty; urgency=low
[15:36:56] <CIA-15>	 * Fix control file that was accidently overwritten
[15:37:43] <CIA-15>	03robchurch * r25238 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQuerySiteinfo.php: (bug 11094) Update API help for 'siteinfo' - based on a patch by VasilievVV
[15:38:37] <VasilVV>	robchurch: thanks
[15:39:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Fix API help - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11094  +comment (10robchur)
[15:42:49] <CIA-15>	03mark * r25239 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-base/debian/ (changelog postinst): 
[15:42:49] <CIA-15>	wikimedia-base (0.15) dapper; urgency=low
[15:42:49] <CIA-15>	 * ntp-server renamed to ntp in Ubuntu Feisty, support both.
[15:47:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change wikiquote into wikivitnun - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11096 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (steinninn)
[15:50:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page URLs are messed up when using accented letters ( non-ascii) mixed with escaped characters. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11097 major; high; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (s0.sub.z3r0)
[15:55:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  (10edward)
[15:55:23] <Nikerabbit>	wth
[15:55:34] <Nikerabbit>	don't mix them!
[15:56:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page URLs are messed up when using accented letters (non-ascii) mixed with escaped characters. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11097  (10s0.sub.z3r0)
[15:58:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change wikiquote into wikivitnun - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11096   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[15:59:41] <CIA-15>	03mark * r25240 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-base/debian/ (changelog control postinst): 
[15:59:41] <CIA-15>	wikimedia-base (0.16) dapper; urgency=low
[15:59:41] <CIA-15>	 * Automatically configure remote syslogging to syslog.pmtpa.wmnet on pmtpa
[15:59:41] <CIA-15>	 servers
[15:59:41] <CIA-15>	 * Depend on gdb
[16:01:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) WM-PA repeated db-error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11089  +comment (10brion)
[16:03:18] <Gildoniel>	Greetings
[16:05:27] <Gildoniel>	I would like to ask if it is possible to "lock" single pages within a certain namespace on a user level - like a user profile page which is only editable by the respective user and admins.
[16:19:27] <c1|freaky>	can one page be in several wikis?
[16:21:51] <robchurch>	Gildoniel: Using an extension which hooks Title::userCan()
[16:21:57] <robchurch>	c1|freaky: Not really, no.
[16:26:41] <robchurch>	Hmm, shouldn't comments and things be truncated prior to insertion into the database?
[16:26:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #55, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11098 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (shinjiman)
[16:30:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase size of ug_group in user_groups table - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11057   +schema-change (10robchur)
[16:31:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Localisation for BlockTitles, BoardVote, ConfirmAccount, ContactPage, ContributionScores, Contributionseditcount, Gadgets and SiteMatrix extensions (zho series,yue) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11099 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (shinjiman)
[16:32:51] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) can Metadata.php deal gracefully with a removed Project:About? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11046  +comment (10robchur)
[16:33:34] *robchurch 	got immense satisfaction from that one
[16:34:56] <CIA-15>	03proes * r25241 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/Editor.php: Small fix
[16:36:13] <CIA-15>	03mark * r25242 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-base/ (debian/changelog debian/postinst sysctl.conf): 
[16:36:13] <CIA-15>	wikimedia-base (0.17) feisty; urgency=low
[16:36:13] <CIA-15>	 * Set /proc/sys/vm/swappiness to 10 in sysctl.conf
[16:38:37] <SimonMoon>	Got a small question. I followed the example here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_Extensions#Attributes copied the sample and ran it on my wiki with <sample test="testing"> but there is no output from it in the wiki.
[16:39:57] <Platonides>	try closing it
[16:40:47] <SimonMoon>	yeah i did, forgot to write it in here :)
[16:41:05] <SimonMoon>	ok now all of a sudden that one works, but another weird thing popped up
[16:41:16] <SimonMoon>	<sample ad_client="pub-9245207210864620" ad_width="336" ad_height="280" ad_format="336x280_as" ad_type="text_image" ad_channel="8647157399+4359252897" color_border="E3ECF6" color_bg="E3ECF6" color_link="305B8F" color_text="393939" color_url="305B8F" />
[16:41:16] <SimonMoon>	<sample test="testing" />
[16:41:25] <SimonMoon>	the upper one wont work, the lower one does
[16:42:42] <robchurch>	What do you mean, "won't work" - what happens that is not expected?
[16:43:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page URLs are messed up when using accented letters (non-ascii) mixed with escaped characters. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11097  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:43:35] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) MessagesEn.php watchlist hacked vs. Specialpage... - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11026  +comment (10robchur)
[16:43:42] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Special:Specialpages' links of known disappointment - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11023  (10robchur)
[16:44:30] <CIA-15>	03kim * r25243 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/SpecialTransaction.php: Changes to SpecialTransaction so far... it's ah ... less broken
[16:45:25] <SimonMoon>	well, the upper one does not print anything, the lower one does.
[16:45:56] <SimonMoon>	When i make a vardump of the arguments, its empty for the upper one, and fileld for the lower one.
[16:46:18] <SimonMoon>	I am using this to debug the google adsense extension that is borked badly :)
[16:46:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	bleh
[16:46:34] <Jack_Phoenix>	adsense extensions suck
[16:46:45] <Jack_Phoenix>	the best way to add adsense is to hack MonoBook.php and main.css
[16:46:56] <SimonMoon>	Yeah becuase they are open portals for javascript injection
[16:46:59] <SimonMoon>	not so this one :)
[16:47:07] <SimonMoon>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Simon_Moon/AdSense_Extension
[16:47:41] <SimonMoon>	It would work flawlessly if i could figure out why there are no arguments given to the extension...
[16:48:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	anyway, I need some help with $wgNamespacesWithSubpages...I have a small-ish wiki "farm" (8 or so wikis using the same GlobalSettings.php). I enabled subpages for main, talk, user, user talk, project and project talk namespaces in GlobalSettings.php using $wgNamespacesWithSubpages but they won't work for this one wiki...
[16:50:00] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r25244 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesTpi.php): * Message file for Tok Pisin (tpi)
[16:51:24] <CIA-15>	03robchurch * r25245 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (bug 11022) Use a more accurate page title for Special:Whatlinkshere and Special:Recentchangeslinked
[16:55:58] <SimonMoon>	Jack_Phoenix: check the local settings of that one wiki, if you have some local settings for each wiki. Had the same trouble and left a record for that one wiki in there with a different value for $wgNamespacesWithSubpages
[16:56:12] <Jack_Phoenix>	did that already...
[16:56:23] <Jack_Phoenix>	the wiki had no fancy settings, just two custom lines
[16:56:38] <Jack_Phoenix>	one to require GlobalSettings.php and one to allow uploading of .mp3 files
[16:57:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add ordered/unordered list buttons to edit toolbar - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11018  summary (10robchur)
[16:57:15] <SimonMoon>	Delete the local settings off the server and reupload it to be sure :)
[16:57:36] <SimonMoon>	Other than that, the only other place this setting can come from is the default settings
[16:57:44] <Jack_Phoenix>	k, I will try :)
[16:58:04] <SimonMoon>	depending on how you made your farm, this can be an individual file..
[16:58:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Whatlinkshere and Special: Recentchangeslinked should have more descriptive <title> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11022  +comment (10robchur)
[16:58:32] <SimonMoon>	and just for the sake of it, try adding it directly into that one wikis local config to see if it takes it then
[16:59:14] <SimonMoon>	Oh yeah, the problem with adsense in templates is, you have to add it to every single one if you offer multiple templates
[16:59:32] <SimonMoon>	inside the wiki, thats always there :)
[17:00:05] <CIA-15>	03robchurch * r25246 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[17:00:05] <CIA-15>	* (bug 10985) Compromise solution; strike out resolved cached entries to avoid breaking paging - fancier solutions can wait
[17:00:05] <CIA-15>	* Tweak "doubleredirectstext"
[17:01:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) InsertTags deletes trailing newline in Internet Explorer - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11011  summary (10robchur)
[17:01:05] <SimonMoon>	hmmm
[17:01:49] <SimonMoon>	you cant have - or _ in names for arguments
[17:02:21] <Jack_Phoenix>	SimonMoon: deleted LocalSettings.php and reuploaded, still nothing: http://piglatin.jackphoenix.com/piglatin/index.php?title=User:Jack_Phoenix/one_final_test :/
[17:02:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use Ajax for patrolled edit marking - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11002  summary (10robchur)
[17:02:51] <SimonMoon>	tried adding it to the local settings of that one wiki directly ?
[17:03:12] <Jack_Phoenix>	nope - I guess that won't hurt...
[17:03:39] <SimonMoon>	well i see that page..
[17:03:48] <SimonMoon>	it seems to work to me...
[17:04:27] <SimonMoon>	a row of tttt and then test below it is on that site, so i guess it works on that wiki now :)
[17:05:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special page showing most linked-to redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10997  summary (10robchur)
[17:09:47] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) MessagesEn.php watchlist hacked vs. Specialpage... - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11026  +comment (10jidanni)
[17:10:38] <Gildoniel>	Thanks robchurch! I've had a look at some extensions esp. PageSecurity and Prefix Security
[17:10:52] <MartinCleaver>	how do I embed software code fragments in a page, but still have [] link to other pages?
[17:10:53] <Gildoniel>	looks like I'm getting somewhere with that
[17:11:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) zh-* watchlist message should match En logic - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11026  summary (10jidanni)
[17:12:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:DoubleRedirects *removes* "fixed" items, breaking paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10985  +comment (10robchur)
[17:13:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upladed file size calculations to compare with upload quota - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10976  (10robchur)
[17:13:52] <MartinCleaver>	its not nowiki
[17:14:24] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[17:18:24] <SimonMoon>	MartinCleaver: can you be a bit more specific on what you want to do please? 
[17:18:28] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Create "editprotected" right - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10974  +comment (10robchur)
[17:18:47] <robchurch>	wikibugs, hurry the fuck up
[17:18:51] <robchurch>	you're about a week behind
[17:18:55] <ST47>	:(
[17:19:05] <Cometstyles>	:~(
[17:19:39] <CIA-15>	03tstarling * r25247 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-appserver/ (7 files in 2 dirs): * Add diversion of /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[17:19:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Magic word to expose user's language variant preference - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10964  (10robchur)
[17:20:27] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r25248 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesNds.php): Update Low German, from Betawiki (Slomox)
[17:21:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [ bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  summary (10robchur)
[17:21:55] *Raymond_ 	kicks CIA-15 hurry up too
[17:22:27] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Magic word to expose user's language variant preference - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10964  +comment (10robchur)
[17:22:47] <Quakeile>	how do I execute install.php I've tried with ./install but it doesn't work. Do I have to chmod x first maybe?
[17:25:25] <robchurch>	What install.php, where?
[17:26:15] <robchurch>	You would normally do something like
[17:26:17] <robchurch>	php install.php
[17:26:17] <PunkRock>	Quakeile: php install.php
[17:26:26] <Quakeile>	ok, ty
[17:26:29] <PunkRock>	Quakeile but php has to be in your path
[17:26:30] <robchurch>	Possibly specifying the full path to the PHP CLI executable, if it's not in your PATH already.
[17:26:44] <PunkRock>	yeah
[17:27:06] <PunkRock>	little me is redundant
[17:27:10] <PunkRock>	pls don't kill me :)
[17:28:42] <robchurch>	Redundant hardware or software?
[17:29:02] <MartinCleaver>	SimonMoon: I wanted to embed a php code listing into a mediawiki page, so the layout mattered
[17:32:05] <red_wine_of_Khay>	Which tricks can I use to have a faster mediawiki?
[17:33:14] <red_wine_of_Khay>	what works more. Is there a tutorial for removing less used objects from page
[17:33:16] <red_wine_of_Khay>	?
[17:34:01] <SimonMoon>	MartinCleaver: You want a listing, as in showing the code to visitors, or you want to have the code executed?
[17:34:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #55, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11098  +comment (10shinjiman)
[17:35:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki: Ipadressorusername renders incorrectly non-breaking space - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10962  (10robchur)
[17:40:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add $wgCookiePrefix property - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10958  (10robchur)
[17:41:14] <MartinCleaver>	show the code, SimonMoon
[17:41:32] <MartinCleaver>	but, mark up functions so they link to pages that describe them
[17:41:46] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) zh-* watchlist message should match En logic - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11026  +comment (10shinjiman)
[17:43:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  +comment (10alefzet)
[17:44:39] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  (10alefzet)
[17:52:28] <SimonMoon>	MartinCleaver: there is a source extension that does that. Hang on a second i try to find you a link
[17:52:29] <Quakeile>	regarding the SMF extensions, the only thing they do is to share the same user tables or? Or is one topic autmatically created in SMF when you make an article? So that the Discussion of the article is in the SMF forum? =)
[17:55:11] <SimonMoon>	MartinCleaver: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[17:55:49] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Page URLs are messed up when using accented letters (non-ascii) mixed with escaped characters. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11097  +comment (10s0.sub.z3r0)
[17:55:54] <SimonMoon>	Isntall that one and you can do pretty much anything with it that is source code. It is the same used on mediawiki.org. Here is an exmaple how it looks like in action: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Simon_Moon/AdSense_Extension
[18:03:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Cannot Fetch then message when URL use ?title= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11100 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (alexsh)
[18:05:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot Fetch the message when URL use ?title= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11100  summary; +comment (10alexsh)
[18:05:57] <robchurch>	WIMP?
[18:06:08] <robchurch>	Windows, Icons, Menus & Pointers?
[18:07:25] <Simetrical|away>	What else would you call Windows, IIS, MySQL, and PHP?
[18:07:29] <Simetrical|away>	:)
[18:07:40] <robchurch>	Apart from "crap" ?
[18:08:03] <MinuteElectron>	:D
[18:09:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Localisation for BlockTitles, BoardVote, ConfirmAccount, ContactPage, ContributionScores, Contributionseditcount, Gadgets and SiteMatrix extensions (zho series,yue) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11099  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:10:51] <Socialoutcast>	ok who wants to help a wiki noob
[18:11:13] <SimonMoon>	Socialoutcast: Just state your question and whoever can answer it, will :)
[18:11:31] <Socialoutcast>	I was just asked by work to setup a dev server with media wiki to import some legacy stuff over to
[18:11:44] <Socialoutcast>	I have no clue how to install media wiki
[18:11:55] <Socialoutcast>	I am looking at the site and get confused
[18:12:30] <Socialoutcast>	I have php and MySQL all installed just need to know how to setup media wiki
[18:12:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) zh-* watchlist message should match En logic - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11026  (10jidanni)
[18:13:47] <red_wine_of_Khay>	hi hojjat
[18:13:56] <robchurch>	Download, unzip the tarball, place it in your document root somewhere.
[18:14:03] <SimonMoon>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation
[18:14:08] <robchurch>	Browse to the wiki directory over the web, follow the on-screen distructions.
[18:14:24] <SimonMoon>	With what part there do you have trouble?
[18:14:55] <hojjat>	Hi
[18:15:10] <hojjat>	how can I help you red_win_of_Khay?
[18:16:05] <red_wine_of_Khay>	I'm glad to c u here. I left a private message, boy
[18:22:03] <MartinCleaver>	Thanks SimonMoon
[18:22:28] <hojjat>	red_wine_of_Khay, sorry I was disconnected
[18:22:51] <red_wine_of_Khay>	ok. I leave you a private message now
[18:23:08] <hojjat>	:)
[18:25:30] <hojjat>	Gambit, you got the photos?
[18:25:33] <SimonMoon>	Np MartinCleaver
[18:25:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #55, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11098  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:26:03] <Gambit>	hojjat,  no :(
[18:26:14] <hojjat>	Gambit, go to Shanel's talk on Meta
[18:26:33] <Gambit>	O_O
[18:41:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Table of contents for contents of paged categories (e.g. A-Z) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1502  summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:44:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make table of contents for category pages: Subcategories, Pages, Media - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8178  summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:48:52] <MinuteElectron>	Party in #defocus - freenode just broke 40k connected users record.
[18:49:37] <robchurch>	Well, bugger me.
[18:50:01] <robchurch>	You know what that means?
[18:50:12] <robchurch>	Out there are 39,999 other people stupid enough to connect to this IRC network.
[18:50:24] <robchurch>	GET A JOB, YOU LAZY BASTARDS
[18:50:27] <MinuteElectron>	Hahaha, I take it you won't be joining the party.
[18:50:47] <robchurch>	Given that "the party" doesn't actually involve a lot of alcohol, no.
[18:50:55] <MinuteElectron>	Aww.
[18:51:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow some HTML tags through to table of contents - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8393   +easy (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:54:45] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r25250 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update German
[18:55:12] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Allow some HTML tags through to table of contents - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8393  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[19:05:46] <Socialoutcast>	ok has anyone install mediawiki on Fedora 7?
[19:06:25] <Socialoutcast>	I have the mediawiki folder in my /www/html folder
[19:06:35] <Socialoutcast>	now what
[19:09:28] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Page URLs are messed up when using accented letters (non-ascii) mixed with escaped characters. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11097  +comment (10brion)
[19:09:37] <SimonMoon>	Socialoutcast: go with a browser to that url
[19:10:19] <Socialoutcast>	I do but it wont come up
[19:12:07] <SimonMoon>	what happens if you go to that url?
[19:14:03] <Socialoutcast>	just times out
[19:14:12] <Socialoutcast>	http://www.pwnedcomputers.com/
[19:14:26] <Socialoutcast>	I have the DNS pointing to the right server
[19:14:50] <Socialoutcast>	and all the other pages on that server work fine
[19:15:49] <Socialoutcast>	what symbolic link do I need to add to the httpd.comf?
[19:16:07] <CIA-15>	03tstarling * r25251 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-appserver/debian/ (changelog rules): Fixed permissions on /etc/sudoers
[19:19:28] <Socialoutcast>	AHH HA
[19:19:30] <Socialoutcast>	got it
[19:19:42] <Socialoutcast>	permission error
[19:20:10] <wastrel>	you have my permission
[19:20:31] <Socialoutcast>	lol
[19:20:46] <Halca>	Okay, Socialoutcast
[19:20:56] <Socialoutcast>	I fat fingerd it and had it at 665 not 775
[19:20:57] <Halca>	Explain the entire problem in one sentence, then i can help you
[19:20:59] <Halca>	:-P
[19:21:04] <Socialoutcast>	lol
[19:32:19] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r25252 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (5 files): * Bug fixed, some new extensions to the list, rescued some translations
[19:34:38] <Socialoutcast>	What file has $wgLogo?
[19:34:49] <Socialoutcast>	is it in the index.php because I did not see it
[19:37:59] <SimonMoon>	LocalSettings
[19:38:02] <SimonMoon>	you can simply set it there
[19:38:28] <Socialoutcast>	ty
[19:38:36] <SimonMoon>	If its not in tehre yet, just add it :)
[19:38:47] <Socialoutcast>	k lol that was my next ?
[19:39:26] <SimonMoon>	Thought so, thats why i told you ;)
[19:40:59] <CIA-15>	03tstarling * r25253 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-appserver/debian/ (changelog postrm preinst): Handle diversions only on install and remove
[19:43:17] <CIA-15>	03tstarling * r25254 10/trunk/debs/update.sh: Fixed update-repository invocation
[19:44:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page URLs are messed up when using accented letters (non-ascii) mixed with escaped characters. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11097  major->minor; high->low (10brion)
[19:44:53] <dtolj>	Anybody know why i cant authenticate users who are in my Active Directory?
[19:44:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image truncated comment chopped UTF-8 character - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11087  (10brion)
[19:44:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unicode compatibility (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3969  (10brion)
[19:45:01] <dtolj>	It only seems to work if i previously create the same user in wikiDB
[19:45:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New Namespaces on german wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11101 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (m.jungierek)
[19:45:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Namespaces on german wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11101   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[19:45:39] <SimonMoon>	dtolj: bad implmentation of the auth plugin i would say
[19:46:39] <dtolj>	yea i used the group syncronization option too
[19:46:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Namespaces on german wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11101  +comment (10wikip)
[19:46:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Namespaces on german wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11101  +comment (10jodeldi)
[19:48:21] <erstazi>	I have a client that wants to switch the innodb tables to myisam tables... but I inform them that doing so could ruin mediawiki and take away benefits such as page history and rollback capabilities, is this true or am I wrong?
[19:48:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update Documentation in hooks.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11102 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (seventowers)
[19:48:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1  (10seventowers)
[19:49:04] <dtolj>	where is Ryan when you need him?
[19:50:13] <SimonMoon>	erstazi: Um, those features are base features of mediawiki, they do not depend on the tables type.
[19:51:25] <erstazi>	SimonMoon: so it is possible to switch to myisam. Well, I was reading documentation and their concern is data corruption. /: not too sure thats an issue
[19:53:06] <CIA-15>	03tstarling * r25255 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-appserver/debian/preinst: second attempt
[19:55:51] <SimonMoon>	erstazi: Do they have a lot of edits on the wiki? Like say a few per second?
[19:56:08] <SimonMoon>	If the system is realtively reliable, Mysql can even recover from a nasty crash in mid write.
[19:56:59] <erstazi>	SimonMoon: no
[19:57:22] <erstazi>	SimonMoon: its mainly for collaboration and thats it
[19:59:25] <MinuteElectron>	Could this be used to speed up MediaWiki? http://www.workhabit.org/resin-backed-php-drives-4x-performance-improvements-drupal
[19:59:53] <MinuteElectron>	brion-office: It sounds like it could make Wikimedia servers perform better.
[19:59:57] <erstazi>	SimonMoon: appreciate the help (:
[20:03:26] <Ruby>	hello, wich wiki version supports php 4.4.7 ?
[20:03:56] <MinuteElectron>	1.6.10
[20:04:30] <MinuteElectron>	!welcome
[20:04:30] <mwbot>	Welcome to #mediawiki, the channel for MediaWiki development and support! Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask your questions. Do, however, consult the FAQ, located at <FAQ: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ>, first.
[20:05:43] <brion-office>	MinuteElectron: fairly likely not to work or to explode horribly,  but worth looking at :)
[20:06:29] <MinuteElectron>	Maybe it would make flyingparchment's dreams to switch everything to solaris :D - I guess Java works better on Solaris.
[20:06:32] <MinuteElectron>	</joke>
[20:08:37] <brion-office>	hmm, they compare against having no opcode cache (ie, totally unrealistic)
[20:08:41] <brion-office>	that's not encouraging ;)
[20:08:44] <brion-office>	interesting though
[20:26:27] <omgs>	re:
[20:26:58] <omgs>	I'm trying to find an example of an extension which basic capabilities
[20:27:27] <omgs>	Take than from the page I type "{{foo|arg 1|arg 2|arg 3}}
[20:28:01] <omgs>	And I'd like at that point to echo, for instance, "this is arg1, then arg 2 and arg 3"
[20:28:16] <omgs>	It's a silly example, but enough for what I want to do
[20:28:48] <omgs>	Of course, somebody could offer himself to do this silly example, of what I want
[20:29:35] <dtolj>	I cant seem to authenticate against AD when a user name is not specified in the wikidb
[20:30:09] <dtolj>	Once i create that user name it only works then
[20:30:46] <dtolj>	anyone have experience with LDAP extension?
[20:35:01] <SimonMoon>	omgs: try this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_Extensions#Attributes
[20:35:34] <SimonMoon>	there is a sample there that works perfectly
[20:41:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add ordered/unordered list buttons to edit toolbar - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11018  (10pedrovmm+bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[20:49:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Lucene search 2 uses GNU-specific cp options when snapshotting indexes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11103 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Lucene Search; (brion)
[21:04:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use proper decimal and thousands separators - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10869  (10brion)
[21:19:19] <VoiceOfAll_>	domas?
[21:28:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  (10kal.clarkel)
[21:29:01] <ST47>	yayfixed
[21:31:25] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:48:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update Documentation in hooks.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11102  (10robchur)
[21:49:02] <VoiceOfAll>	ST47: ???
[21:49:23] <ST47>	I didn't do anything!
[21:50:31] <VoiceOfAll>	;)
[21:50:55] <omgs>	SimonMoon: thanks for the link
[21:51:17] <omgs>	It was helpful, but I'm unable to find out how to replace a calling parameter in the template
[21:51:52] <omgs>	I've created the template, so if called {{H1|5}}, I don't know how to use the "5" in the template
[21:52:18] <omgs>	The content of the template H1 is included, but no replacement
[21:54:04] <CIA-15>	03robchurch * r25256 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: Re-alphabetise a few hooks
[21:54:23] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: err, you would use {{{1}}} for the first parameter.
[21:54:24] <robchurch>	hooks.txt sucks a bit
[21:54:44] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: or {{{foo}} if you use {{H1|foo=5}}
[21:55:06] <Duesentrieb>	{{{foo|xxx}}} uses xxx if foo is not given
[21:55:11] <omgs>	Duesentrieb: let me try...
[21:55:34] *robchurch 	considers
[21:55:49] <MinuteElectron>	robchurch: Are you busy?
[21:55:54] <robchurch>	We could do a with a nifty script that quickly regenerates better-looking hook documentation from hooks.txt
[21:56:05] <robchurch>	I'm always busy. What's up?
[21:56:35] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: you talked about "extension" in your original question, which was misleading. parser hook extensions have special trouble with template parameters. it doesn't matter to you if you are not writing an extension (or using one in the template)
[21:56:36] <MinuteElectron>	I was told to use config2/ for the new config script, is that ok in your opinion?
[21:56:47] <robchurch>	Told by whom?
[21:56:57] <Duesentrieb>	me, i'm afraid :)
[21:57:00] <MinuteElectron>	Well, Duesentrieb said I could - not told as such.
[21:57:02] *robchurch 	shrugs
[21:57:09] <robchurch>	Looks a bit silly, but whatever.
[21:57:22] <MinuteElectron>	robchurch: Do you have a different reccomendation?
[21:57:29] <robchurch>	Not really.
[21:57:33] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[21:57:46] <Duesentrieb>	"setup" would be an alternative
[21:57:51] <MinuteElectron>	no it wouldn't
[21:57:52] <robchurch>	The main problem with the current name is that it often conflicts with aliases to control panels on some hosts.
[21:57:55] <Duesentrieb>	configNG :)
[21:57:56] <MinuteElectron>	brion disagrees
[21:58:16] <robchurch>	Then again, that could easily be solved with a simple include()
[21:58:25] <omgs>	Duesentrieb: yes, but I was told to use templates, so I'm trying it now
[21:58:35] <Duesentrieb>	the other problem with "config" is that people think mw keeps its config files in there. and then exit the copy of localsettings.php they might have left in there.
[21:58:57] <jimbojw>	is there a hook which executes after undelete? like an UndeleteComplete ?
[21:59:01] <robchurch>	Now, the way to get brion to agree with something is to know how to present it to him.
[21:59:05] <omgs>	I can't say what's the right solution for my problem, thought templates get close (surely I'm misusing it)
[21:59:07] <robchurch>	jimbojw: Have you looked at docs/hooks.txt?
[21:59:26] <jimbojw>	not yet - I started with reading SpecialUndelete - then came here
[21:59:41] <robchurch>	For example, if you take an idea, and put it in some shorts, sandals, give it a surf board, and play some Beach Boys...
[21:59:47] <MinuteElectron>	brion says that 'config' is used instead of 'install' or 'setup' because it involves installation and upgrading.
[21:59:54] <robchurch>	jimbojw: If SpecialUndelete doesn't call wfRunHooks, have a look at the PageArchive class.
[22:00:27] <jimbojw>	thanks robchurch, I'll look in there
[22:03:49] <jimbojw>	robchurch: looks like the only wfRunHooks() call in SpecialUndelete.php is 'UndeleteShowRevision', and the word 'undelete' (case insensitive) appears nowhere in doc/hooks.txt (i'm using version 1.9.3 atm and can't upgrade)
[22:04:08] <robchurch>	You know what the solution is?
[22:04:25] <jimbojw>	not yet, no
[22:04:42] <robchurch>	First, blame it on the Australians.
[22:04:45] <robchurch>	Second, cry a bit.
[22:04:51] <robchurch>	Third, hack in a hook that does what you want.
[22:05:03] <robchurch>	Finally, sweat blood and tears trying to convince someone to commit it to trunk.
[22:05:19] <jimbojw>	no need - i'm a commiter now ;)
[22:05:30] <robchurch>	\o/
[22:05:32] <jimbojw>	but yeah - i guess I'll hack in a hook for now
[22:05:33] <jimbojw>	thanks
[22:06:29] <omgs>	SimonMoon: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72873
[22:06:41] <omgs>	That's what I try to insert (as real html code)
[22:07:04] <omgs>	I've already done the substitution, but the code is wiped out
[22:08:52] <omgs>	Maybe it's not possible to get what I want by using templates?
[22:09:10] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: that'S because <style> is an extension tag that suffers from said parameter-extension problem. what you are trying to do is not currently possible, at least not if the extension doesn't take special care to support it.
[22:09:37] <Duesentrieb>	robchurch: does GeshiHighlite support expansion of template parameters ?
[22:09:54] <robchurch>	God knows what it supports.
[22:10:02] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[22:10:10] <omgs>	Duesentrieb: then I guess I should develop an extension that does right that
[22:10:46] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: does right what? you would have to modify every extension you want to use in a template.
[22:11:04] <robchurch>	Right, so this Kate Nash album.
[22:11:14] <Duesentrieb>	or provide a generic solution - search bugzilla, people have tried. but afaik, it's not possible while staying 100% backward-compatible
[22:11:25] <omgs>	I want to embed that code in the page by calling with {{subst:h1|5}}, for instance
[22:11:31] <robchurch>	Basically, what we've got is a fairly decent tune (probably sampled, but who cares) that seems to have Vicki Pollard's vocals slapped on top of it.
[22:11:46] <omgs>	The template is called "h1"
[22:12:24] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: that'S all no problem. using {{{1}}} inside extension tags like <style> is.
[22:12:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable patrolled edits on Bengali Wikipedia (bn.wp) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11042  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:12:40] <Duesentrieb>	as i said, the style-extension would have to explicitely support it.
[22:12:44] <omgs>	Yes, the code is "dumped", but not as style
[22:13:07] <omgs>	Maybe you're saying something I don't understand right now
[22:13:10] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: errr.... do you even *have* an extension that interprets <style>? that would be *another* issue.
[22:13:22] <robchurch>	:D
[22:13:29] <Duesentrieb>	>_<
[22:13:46] <Duesentrieb>	and wtf is <condator/>?
[22:13:54] <omgs>	Duesentrieb: no, but if you know the way, I'd like to know
[22:13:55] <Duesentrieb>	contador, whatever.
[22:14:08] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: err. the way to do *what*?
[22:14:10] <omgs>	"contador" is english "counter"
[22:14:47] <Duesentrieb>	i have no clue what you are trying to do, or why you think mediawiki understands <style>, or <contador>.
[22:15:07] <omgs>	I just want to dump the code you see in the pastebin as html in pages
[22:15:33] <omgs>	What I get with that is that <h1> will have a custom stylesheet
[22:17:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Local time for Thai Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11074  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:17:47] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: for how many pages do you need this?
[22:18:01] <omgs>	Almost all in my custom installation
[22:18:19] <omgs>	Take that it's a way to number chapters, one chapter per page
[22:18:21] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: add it to MediaWiki:Common.css
[22:18:39] <Duesentrieb>	in there, you can also use page-specific classes to override default styles.
[22:19:01] <omgs>	Is it a plain file or do I have to edit by url?
[22:19:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Namespaces on german wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11101  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:20:20] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: that'S a wiki page.
[22:21:05] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: after changing it, remember to do a forced reload to see the effect. some browsers like FF cache css aggressively.
[22:22:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change wikiquote into wikivitnun - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11096  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:22:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Namespaces on german wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11101  (10raimond.spekking)
[22:24:48] <omgs>	Duesentrieb: how do I call it, to specify the parameter?
[22:25:25] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: no parameters possible. it's simply css code that is applied for every page.
[22:25:39] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: what do you *ACTUALLY* want to do?
[22:26:17] <omgs>	If you take a look at the pastebin, there's a {{{1}}}
[22:26:28] <omgs>	I want that to be a parameter
[22:27:10] <SimonMoon>	omgs: What is the precise task you want to master here? Like what is the end result you want to achieve? Maybe there is a better way.
[22:27:16] <Duesentrieb>	no. what do you *ACTUALLY* want to do? in the end? what's the purpose of all this?
[22:27:45] <robchurch>	As Microsoft would put it, where do you want to go today?
[22:28:04] <Duesentrieb>	up, up and away...
[22:28:06] <CIA-15>	03rotem * r25257 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[22:28:11] <SimonMoon>	Back to DOS?
[22:28:22] <robchurch>	Well, way back when. Nowadays it's more of a question of "which orifice do you want us to violate today?"
[22:28:41] <omgs>	As I said all the time, I just want a custom way to number chapters (<h1>), by specifing a paramater
[22:28:50] <omgs>	The only way I know to do that is via css
[22:29:10] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: each chaperter being a page? <h1> is generally used only for the page title.
[22:29:22] <omgs>	And the chapter number, too
[22:29:33] <Duesentrieb>	you want to show a number in fron of the page title? but it should not be part of the page title? customizable for every page?
[22:30:13] <omgs>	Take that <h2> inherit the <h1> numbering, so if you are in chapter 8, you'll see <h2> and lower as 1, instead of the real chapter
[22:30:53] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: it will not, since the numbering of headings is not done with css.
[22:30:54] <SimonMoon>	Wish i could help you, but i do not really grasp what you want.
[22:31:14] <omgs>	Duesentrieb: believe me, it is, I've tested it
[22:31:27] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: section numbering is a user option. the numbers are generated as fixed html.
[22:31:29] <omgs>	Please test my code in a raw html and you'll see
[22:31:30] <robchurch>	Fake it, baby! They won't even know!
[22:31:39] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[22:31:50] <robchurch>	Who gives a toss about semantic markup?
[22:31:54] <SimonMoon>	sounds like something out of a bedroom conversation... 
[22:32:24] <robchurch>	It's a song lyric.
[22:32:39] <robchurch>	That is, the "fake it" line. Nobody sings about semantic markup.
[22:33:33] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: if you put css-generated numbering on h2, h3, etc, it will be inconsistent with the numbering given in the table of contents (which you get with more than 3 headlines per page)
[22:34:13] <omgs>	No, only for h1
[22:34:17] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: anyway, there are probably extensions for injecting per-page styles.
[22:34:47] <robchurch>	Like PageCSS.
[22:35:08] <SimonMoon>	Hmm, whom do i have to bribe to get a new hook into MW?
[22:35:45] <robchurch>	Four people.
[22:35:50] <robchurch>	Equal shares.
[22:36:06] <robchurch>	Open a bug report.
[22:36:18] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AddScriptCss
[22:36:43] <omgs>	http://mediawiki.pastey.net/72875 for those curious
[22:38:03] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, that extension also allows people to add javascript. with drastic security implications
[22:38:19] <robchurch>	So use PageCSS.
[22:38:24] <robchurch>	PageCSS even validates the CSS.
[22:38:25] <SimonMoon>	thanks robchurch. I namely want one where the external links are taken care off. And maybe one for internal links. The html with the css and the tile added is not alwyas wanted :)
[22:38:27] <robchurch>	Well, sanitises it.
[22:38:30] <Duesentrieb>	otoh, it has both a tag form and a parser function form. and parameters will work with the parser function form.
[22:39:05] <Duesentrieb>	robchurch: i expected that would exist, but didn't find it on mw.org
[22:39:16] <robchurch>	It's in Subversion.
[22:39:39] <Duesentrieb>	bah, make a page on mwo. nobody finds stuff in subversion if he doesn't know where to look.
[22:39:48] <robchurch>	I WILL NOT
[22:40:02] <robchurch>	The Boilerplate in Subversion's a damn sight better than the Boilerplate on MW.org, too.
[22:40:19] <omgs>	robchurch: can you provide a link?
[22:40:32] <robchurch>	Duesentrieb can.
[22:40:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Namespaces on german wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11101  (10m.jungierek)
[22:40:54] <robchurch>	If ever you need a URL, it's handy to have a German around.
[22:41:24] <omgs>	I can say that I have some basic german knowledge ;)
[22:41:32] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/PageCSS/PageCSS.php?revision=24180&view=markup
[22:41:44] <robchurch>	told ya
[22:41:46] *Duesentrieb 	is the local search engine
[22:42:29] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: ok, *you* make a page about it on mediawiki.org :)
[22:42:35] <robchurch>	I think we should all sing the BugZilla song!
[22:42:53] <Duesentrieb>	robchurch: i didn't get thapart about the Boilerplate. what was that?
[22:45:18] <Duesentrieb>	ok, i created http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageCSS
[22:45:34] <Duesentrieb>	that gotta be enough for tonight (though its not going to show on the matrix)
[22:45:47] <robchurch>	The Matrix!
[22:45:56] <Duesentrieb>	indeed
[22:46:16] *robchurch 	puts on his shades, grabs his leather jacket, gets his ickle biddy phone
[22:46:38] <emrezer>	hi how can I add editing tools on my wiki
[22:46:39] <emrezer>	?
[22:47:20] <Solifugus>	How can I find out what version of mediawiki we are running?
[22:47:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Request for new hooks in link creations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11104 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (simon)
[22:47:28] <Duesentrieb>	Solifugus: Special:Version
[22:48:42] <robchurch>	Go to Special:Version
[22:49:06] <Solifugus>	I tried appending Special:Version to the end of the URL and it just gave me a 404 error
[22:49:24] <Duesentrieb>	Solifugus: it's a wiki page. enter it into the search box and hit enter.
[22:49:28] <emrezer>	hi how can I add editing tools on my wiki
[22:49:30] <emrezer>	?
[22:49:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request for new hooks in link creations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11104  (10robchur)
[22:49:39] <Duesentrieb>	emrezer: repeating your question will only annoy people.
[22:49:55] <omgs>	robchurch: I'm afraid I need something else to use it, because php is missing some function:
[22:49:57] <Solifugus>	Ok.. 1.5.6--it worked in the search box
[22:50:00] <Duesentrieb>	emrezer: all i can tell you: some javascript nastiness. i donÄt recall details.
[22:50:05] <omgs>	Fatal error: Call to undefined method ParserOutput::addHeadItem() in /var/lib/mediawiki1.7/extensions/PageCSS.php on line 29
[22:50:22] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: that means you are running on old version of mediawiki.
[22:50:39] <Duesentrieb>	Solifugus: upgrade. now.
[22:50:40] <omgs>	The one shipped with ubuntu feisty
[22:50:52] *robchurch 	shudders
[22:50:57] <Duesentrieb>	omgs: whatever. too old for what you are trying to do.
[22:51:12] <Duesentrieb>	disri bundles of mediawiki tend to suck badly. and be old.
[22:51:13] <robchurch>	Remind me never to run an outdated version of anything in front of Duesentrieb.
[22:51:19] <robchurch>	Scares the shit out of me.
[22:51:19] <Duesentrieb>	\o/
[22:51:32] <robchurch>	He'll shove you up against a wall and shout, "UPGRADE, MOTHERFUCKER!", like as not.
[22:51:39] *Duesentrieb 	did the dist-upgrade dance yesterday.
[22:52:11] <Duesentrieb>	well, i actually mean this more like 1.5.6 is old as the hills, and has bigger holes.
[22:53:53] <SimonMoon>	I usually stay away from the "latest" software, but in teh case of MediaWiki its more suciadal to stay on old versions than with a phpbb or vbulletin version known to have exploits a plenty.
[22:53:59] *VoiceOfAll 	fiddles around
[22:54:03] <VoiceOfAll>	SELECT COUNT(DISTINCT SUBSTRING(rev_timestamp,1,8)) FROM `mw_revision` WHERE rev_user = 1 AND rev_comment != '';
[22:54:20] <Solifugus>	Duesentrieb: Yes.. I am reading the upgrade documentation now.. 
[22:54:46] <robchurch>	We should launch a new campaign.
[22:54:59] <robchurch>	"MediaWiki 1.11.0. Upgrade, or Duesentrib'll Fucking Kill(tm) you."
[22:55:29] <Duesentrieb>	maybe i should upgrade, too? naw,...
[22:55:42] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: 0.0032 sec for 4000 rows
[22:55:56] <VoiceOfAll>	hmm
[22:55:57] <robchurch>	I can do better.
[22:56:24] <VoiceOfAll>	SELECT user_editcount FROM `mw_user` WHERE user_id=1;
[22:56:34] <VoiceOfAll>	0.0012 sec
[22:58:37] <robchurch>	VoiceOfAll's started SQL-wanking.
[22:58:43] <SimonMoon>	So with the bugreport placed, who can i hound to get a neat little hook placed? :)
[22:58:56] <robchurch>	SimonMoon: I gots me a feeling brion won't like it.
[22:59:00] <SimonMoon>	SELECT 1+1; ...
[22:59:02] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: some people at WP:FLR suggested a "30 days of edits" counter
[22:59:13] <VoiceOfAll>	I just wanted to see how slow that is ;)
[22:59:17] <robchurch>	You know what we discussed about people?
[22:59:50] <SimonMoon>	robchurch: how so?
[23:00:12] <robchurch>	Anyroad, ye'll do better if you provide a patch.
[23:00:44] <SimonMoon>	hmm lets see where i can find some info on how to place a hook in MW then :)
[23:01:53] <omgs>	thanks all, gn
[23:03:07] <Solifugus>	Is it safe to upgrade from v. 1.5.6 to 1.10.1 ?
[23:03:15] <Solifugus>	seems a bit of a jump
[23:04:51] <SimonMoon>	Solifugus: make a backup of the database and the directory, then try the upgrade. If it works, great, if not, go back ot the old version.
[23:04:53] <SimonMoon>	You got PHP 5?
[23:05:09] *amidaniel 	gasps
[23:05:24] <amidaniel>	feisty's apt-get has 1.7 as the *latest* mw version
[23:05:32] <amidaniel>	With 1.5 as the verion it installs by default
[23:06:11] <mutante>	i think i see now why those Debian people didnt like the idea of packaging web apps
[23:06:43] <amidaniel>	I wish people still had that idea :)
[23:06:48] <Solifugus>	amidaniel and mutante: I think all GNU/Linux apps should be packaged in distro-neutral, auto-package.
[23:06:55] <mutante>	but still, there also is "mediawiki1.7" in sarge..ooh
[23:07:05] <robchurch>	This is proof that Linux is EVIL.
[23:07:10] <amidaniel>	It is.
[23:07:20] <amidaniel>	Hmmm ... synaptic also lists this: http://wikipediafs.sourceforge.net/
[23:07:20] <VoiceOfAll>	amidaniel: I wish I had more disk space
[23:07:23] <amidaniel>	Anyone used it
[23:07:24] <amidaniel>	?
[23:07:31] <VoiceOfAll>	I'd import a full en wiki dump
[23:07:46] <amidaniel>	VoiceOfAll: On *MY* server? >:()
[23:07:52] *amidaniel 	stabs
[23:07:53] <Solifugus>	robchurch and amidaniel: why is it hard to download the latest from the web?  Debian(based) distros keep to the older versions until the newer ones are more tested..
[23:08:15] <VoiceOfAll>	amidaniel: I said *I*
[23:08:23] <amidaniel>	Solifugus: It's not, but a lot of people install it from package managers
[23:08:29] <amidaniel>	And it just causes them more headaches
[23:08:38] <amidaniel>	VoiceOfAll: You best keep it that way :P
[23:08:59] <Solifugus>	amidaniel: so mediawiki should support an autopackage version...
[23:09:11] <amidaniel>	VoiceOfAll: Disk space is cheap. Hitachi has a 1TB 7200RPM drive out for abour $200
[23:09:20] <mutante>	heh, i read wikipediafs, then you said you wish you had more diskspace, and for a moment i thought of gmailfs, and wikipedia being used by people to have more diskspace, like by uploading binary data in little snippets like usenet bins, or something
[23:09:20] <SimonMoon>	Anyone got a pointer to some hiddin MW page anywhere that talks about how to actually create hooks? Not use them, but create..
[23:09:25] <amidaniel>	Although you can buy two 750GB's for cheaper :)
[23:09:44] <robchurch>	Jeez, disk is even cheaper in the UK.
[23:09:54] <amidaniel>	robchurch: Is it?
[23:11:05] <amidaniel>	SimonMoon: Erm .. to create one, you just call wfRunHooks( 'myhook', args ..) .. what hook do you need?
[23:12:11] <amidaniel>	Because if it's not in there already, it's either a bad thing for you to be hooking or it should be in there but hasn't gotten in there yet
[23:13:41] <SimonMoon>	hmm, so its a 10 second oparation to add a new hook then...
[23:14:11] <SimonMoon>	And a lifetime to learn how to spell *hangs his head in shame*
[23:14:18] <amidaniel>	Indeed .. but most nonexistant hooks are nonexistant for a reason
[23:14:35] <CIA-15>	03tstarling * r25258 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-appserver/debian/postrm: Remove conf file diversions on purge, not on remove
[23:15:06] <SimonMoon>	Can you enlighten me on that topic maybe? Like what are the reasons for not adding one?
[23:15:47] <VoiceOfAll>	TimStarling: isn't that just an insane query? -> SELECT COUNT(DISTINCT SUBSTRING(rev_timestamp,1,8)) FROM `mw_revision` WHERE rev_user = 1 AND rev_comment != ”;
[23:15:58] *VoiceOfAll 	lols
[23:16:09] <amidaniel>	Because they lot you screw with things that oughtn't be screwed with and will do nothing but cause you headaches, maybe? :)
[23:16:14] <amidaniel>	s/lot/let
[23:16:18] <TimStarling>	does that even work?
[23:16:23] <VoiceOfAll>	yep
[23:16:30] <VoiceOfAll>	.0032 sec for 4000 rows
[23:17:01] <VoiceOfAll>	TimStarling: get the "days of edits"
[23:17:26] *VoiceOfAll 	wonders if the speed drop is linear
[23:17:35] <CIA-15>	03tstarling * r25259 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-appserver/debian/changelog: changelog for diversion fun
[23:17:38] <VoiceOfAll>	that would be .16 sec for a 200,000 edit user
[23:17:38] *amidaniel 	goes off to build more $%!#^@$#! circuits .. bbl
[23:17:46] <VoiceOfAll>	amidaniel: meow? ;)
[23:17:51] <amidaniel>	grrowl
[23:18:52] <TimStarling>	0.0032s is barely enough time for a seek, are you sure the index wasn't all in memory already?
[23:19:05] <TimStarling>	the extrapolation is a little bit dubious
[23:19:58] <robchurch>	And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you never use mathematical phrases in front of an academic.
[23:21:31] <VoiceOfAll>	:p
[23:22:03] <Solifugus>	The UPGRADE file says to preserve certain files/directories (e.g. LocalSetting.php)--Does this mean copy them off, unpack mediawiki files, then copy those "preserved" files back in?
[23:22:09] <robchurch>	If you like.
[23:23:35] <SimonMoon>	So this is a new hook then? wfRunHooks('ExternalLinkAttributes', array(&r, $link, $text, $class));
[23:23:41] *VoiceOfAll 	inspects his cache
[23:23:52] <robchurch>	That won't compile.
[23:23:54] <VoiceOfAll>	TimStarling: is there a way to clear any caching/memory?
[23:24:13] <robchurch>	(&$r)
[23:24:32] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: heh
[23:25:01] <SimonMoon>	thanks robchurch, thats why you never should do things in a text editor that has no code highlighting :)
[23:25:16] <SimonMoon>	apart from that, this should be a working hook, right?
[23:25:27] <TimStarling>	VoiceOfAll: what system are you using to test this?
[23:27:22] <VoiceOfAll>	XP, xampp, mysql 5, using phpmyadmin
[23:28:56] <robchurch>	haha
[23:29:21] <robchurch>	There's a "discussion" on the Wikimedia UK mailing list about whether QMC is in a "slightly rough area" and thus suitable for Wikimania 2008.
[23:30:07] <MinuteElectron>	QMC?
[23:30:13] <robchurch>	Queen Mary College
[23:30:30] <MinuteElectron>	In London?
[23:30:36] <robchurch>	nod
[23:30:41] <MinuteElectron>	oh
[23:30:49] <MinuteElectron>	Never gonna happen though.
[23:51:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "Move succeeded" notice should link to original page w/ o redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8580  +comment (10robchur)
[23:53:50] <VoiceOfAll>	robchurch: is it rough? :p
[23:58:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request for new hooks in link creations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11104  (10simon)
[23:59:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make table of contents for category pages: Subcategories, Pages, Media - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8178  (10danny_b)