[00:03:38] i can't find LocalSettings.php [00:03:47] what folder is that in? [00:04:00] Atlantiz, the request is being filtered out [00:04:06] firewall or somesuch thing [00:04:14] http://doctorrescue.com/index.php?title=Sandbox [00:04:39] certain keywords [00:04:41] wget [00:04:46] ahh [00:05:15] excellent thank you! [00:05:22] np [00:05:30] that was a feisty one heh [00:05:31] look through the code, I think I just wrapped wget and ls [00:05:49] and rm [00:06:04] wget [00:06:22] ya, you don't need tt, especially inside a pre [00:06:49] there [00:06:58] just did   after it [00:07:08] wget followed by a space is filtered [00:07:15] if you look at that link it changed itself to wget [00:07:28] no, that was me [00:07:35] look at it now [00:07:53] ahh [00:07:56] very cool [00:08:00] :D thank you so much [00:08:14] np [00:08:35] now i can finally go eat some dinner :) [00:09:10] what do you think of my site though [00:09:35] hard to stand out in the world of Linux how-tos. [00:09:42] ah i see [00:09:53] nice logo. [00:09:58] haha [00:10:04] thanks [00:10:15] I was hopin for a pr0n wiki. [00:10:17] ;-) [00:10:54] lol funny [00:11:02] hmmm [00:11:07] now you're giving me ideas [00:11:25] "because pr0n should be free" [00:11:32] indeed [00:11:38] :D [00:11:39] lol [00:11:55] surprised wikia didn't do it yet. ;-) [00:12:11] hmm i might do it [00:12:20] so what in it movie reviews and bios? [00:12:43] hehe! [00:13:00] well, mostly pr0n. dunno who'd give your contributions though. might be a hit. who knows. [00:13:12] yea [00:14:23] you'd almost want to trim up MW to be more pic-centric. then you could add in like facebook type tagging. so I could see all the pr0n with a particular person in it. Genious! [00:14:41] lol [00:15:02] well...the only problem i'd have to find a host that allows pr0n [00:15:18] and China would block you with the quickness. [00:15:19] Tagging would be a nice feature anyhow :D [00:15:24] for sure. [00:15:25] any suggestions? [00:16:02] dunno. I think there's lots of hosting companies that allow it. [00:16:13] you just pay a little more or some such thing. [00:16:32] I'll have to dig around lol [00:16:35] I think I once saw a pr0n wiki. [00:16:52] I've never seen one [00:17:42] "Pr0n for geeks, stuff that matters" [00:18:13] i'll let you guys know once i find a host that's not too pricey [00:18:13] naaa, parody Wikipedia [00:18:16] how do you make it so that users that are not logged in can not see the source [00:18:18] ohh yea [00:18:29] good idea [00:18:30] you'll get way more play. "Because pr0n should be free!" [00:18:30] haha [00:18:38] LOL haha [00:18:49] Rollen, you don't. [00:19:38] anyne know why my ewiki gives me the following error when i go to this rss feed: http://cubicpath.syncleus.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss [00:20:18] okay i'll see guys later [00:21:45] weird [00:22:10] i went to a wiki and they had it where you see the Edit tab as quest and when you click on it it says log in [00:22:17] like it doesnt let you see the view source [00:23:14] Rollen, that can sometimes happen. It should be viewed as a bug. [01:17:31] 03(mod) Special:Statistics should add link to Special:Listusers?group= sysop etc. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11029 (10jidanni) [01:24:00] 04(REOPENED) Special:Statistics should add link to Special:Listusers?group= sysop etc. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11029 +comment (10robchur) [01:35:19] how do i export all my pages? [01:53:10] 03(mod) Whitelist the OASIS file format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2089 +comment (10mail) [02:16:47] he's right [02:16:56] ;) [02:18:52] 03nickj * r25419 10/USERINFO/ (16 files): Add names for the Pywikipediabot committers, plus Yaron. [02:27:19] padde: who is? [02:28:19] Werdnum: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2089 [02:28:46] Why might mw be sending blank documents with 200-OK? [02:29:09] For every document, I mean. [02:29:22] brady: i think that happens if there is a problem with php, but error messages are switched off [02:29:47] padde, Where do I turn the error messages on? [02:29:49] brady: (look in the error logs) [02:30:18] brady: in php.ini, but for production systems it's recommended to only log errors, and don't send them to the browser [02:30:21] padde, The apache logs? I see no errors in the apache logs. [02:30:48] brady: are you sure? did you check the right logs? [02:32:23] padde, /var/log/apache2/error.log mentions no errors. [02:32:29] brady: make sure your php.ini contains 'display_errors = Off' (which it probably already does) and 'log_errors = On' [02:32:59] brady: perhaps you configured apache to log the errors of this particular vhost (if you're using vhosts) to some other place? i don't know anything about your setup ;) [02:35:35] padde, I see the accesses for existent and non-existent pages, all returning 200-OK and a blank document. [02:36:07] brady, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_Symptoms#You_see_a_Blank_Page [02:36:07] padde, I am using the Ubuntu apt-get mediawiki installation (mostly). [02:36:15] almost always PHP errors. [02:36:17] TimLaqua, Thank you. [02:36:27] new install? [02:37:04] brady, If it's a new install, it's usually the PHP memory limit. [02:37:28] but then there should be error messages, somewhere [02:37:48] not if they're turned off (and they usually are) - and he was looking in the apache logs, not the php logs [02:38:20] huh? php has its own logs? [02:38:26] dunno, does it? [02:38:28] ;-) [02:39:10] I always just set display_errors on and let it dump to the screen when PHP flips out [02:39:17] usually we use php as the apache module, so it logs through apache, into the error log of the virtualhost from which it was called... [02:39:50] I suppose. [02:39:50] TimLaqua: which lowers security, and thus is not recommended on prod servers [02:40:29] TimLaqua: imagine php 'flips out' because of some known vulnerability - then you're disclosing this flaw to every bot on a silver tablet ') [02:40:43] well, it's always fixed within a few minutes [02:40:57] it's not like you turn display_errors on and shrug at the error. [02:41:17] TimLaqua: so you switch it on and off all the time? [02:41:30] no, when I have problems [02:41:46] I just use ini_set in localsettings.php [02:42:31] Ok, I have all manner of error reporting turned on, memory_limit = 20M, apache has been restarted, and still no improvement. Could ssl have something to do with this? [02:42:44] I run a wiki over ssl, no problems [02:42:56] brady: do you use Zen optimiser? [02:42:59] I see. I prefer the log_errors option... this way I also get the errors by mail from the logwatch script, just with any other errors that occur on the machine [02:43:10] http worked before I mucked with trying to get https working. [02:43:12] *TimLaqua is lazy [02:43:25] Werdnum, I don't know. I haven't changed the default. [02:43:38] brady: the ssl vhost usually logs to some other log file... like ssl_error.log or something [02:45:53] padde, where would that error log be? only error log I ever looked at f/ apache was /etc/log/apache2/error.log [02:45:54] padde, There are no errors in either error file. I have turned ssl off altogether. [02:46:34] brady: i can't follow you. [02:46:55] TimLaqua: it's freely configurable in the apache configuration, even for every virtual host [02:47:03] hmm... [02:47:21] TimLaqua: and it depends on your syslogger how the directory structure looks like, as well as your distribution where the logs are... [02:47:30] TimLaqua: i have all logs in /var/log/ for example... [02:47:44] ya, that's where I thought mine were. ;-) [02:48:11] but I just have tha tone apache2/error.log [02:48:18] TimLaqua: and it's also configurable how the error logs look _inside_ the files - so you can really adjust everything the way you want :) [02:48:38] TimLaqua: check in your apache conf then [02:48:53] got to go on working here... cu later [02:54:18] Well, it was something else altogether Somehow most of the php files related to MW became blank. [02:54:29] Which is why there were no errors. [02:54:33] Thanks for the help. [02:54:34] cool [03:19:04] ok... i have FAQ'd/googled etc... now it is time to ask.... i am trying to setup mediawiki...i have uploaded the files to the server and after some toying with the permissions now i browse to it in firefox... click on "set up the wiki" [03:19:09] and it gives me [03:19:20] PHP 5.0.0 or higher is required. ABORTING. [03:19:32] buti have 5.2.1 [03:19:39] any thoughts? [03:20:16] Are you sure you don't have multiple copies installed? [03:20:30] What does php -v say? [03:21:02] only the 1 copy [03:21:33] excuse my ignorance... php -v [03:21:44] i assume that is a cli command [03:22:14] but i am not setting it up on my home computer [03:22:28] i am doing it remotely [03:22:58] (i am not new to CLI but i am with this kind of stuff) [03:25:34] glitch, okay, so do you have CLI access, or just FTP? If just FTP, check with your host. Many hosts provide PHP 5 under a different extension, like .php5, or require you to use an .htaccess file. [03:28:09] ok i just tried to login [03:28:19] Shell access is not enabled for my account [03:29:15] so i will have to edit that index.php file yeah? [03:29:26] Ask your host how to run PHP 5 apps. [03:29:33] ok [03:43:43] dropping them a line ... will see how it goes [03:43:48] many thanks Simetrical [03:47:40] how do i create new user accounts after disabling anonymous account creating? [03:47:54] i can log in using sysop account [03:53:15] bibstha: sysops should be able to make accounts [03:53:51] VoiceOfAll, yeah but i didn't see any interface :( [03:53:51] at Special:Userlogin [03:53:56] oh [03:54:40] VoiceOfAll, got it thanks, didn't know its so simple [03:57:06] VoiceOfAll: is there a simple way to move your admin master revert to another lang of wikipedia? [03:57:40] does it work? [03:57:40] a admin wants it on ar.wikipedia [03:57:54] it works on en [03:58:00] I mean off en [03:58:06] No clue [03:59:15] MW is a great product. The MW foundations is doing a fine job. [04:01:25] VoiceOfAll, could i have a copy of the script to remove all images of a specific user? [betacmnd told me abt it] [04:03:45] certainly, you can try to include it [04:03:54] not sure how well that works atm [04:04:15] I updated it due to image history changes, but haven't tested it [04:04:35] *VoiceOfAll adds the script to MW.org [04:05:11] *alnokta checks [04:05:49] no one bought mw.org yet [04:06:13] I added it to my js file [04:08:44] VoiceOfAll, thanks :) [04:11:08] VoiceOfAll: dmc was whinging about cu log being broked [04:17:54] VoiceOfAll, i added it to my monobook.js .. how to use it? [04:20:06] 03aaron * r25420 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: *Don't call ArticleSaveComplete if the edit did not go through and no updates (even cache clearing) were done on the page. [04:24:51] alnokta: do new tabs show? [04:27:48] VoiceOfAll, nope [04:27:51] 03nickj * r25421 10/USERINFO/ilabarg1: One more user... [04:28:18] ohh, yeah [04:28:26] the title recognition would be wrong [04:29:08] alnokta: also you have to be on the users contrib page [04:44:09] Betacommand, nothing there [04:44:59] alnokta: see voa's comment [04:46:22] hmm, I'll finish that later [04:48:42] Betacommand, how? ;) [05:42:18] 03aaron * r25422 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files): (log message trimmed) [05:42:18] *More consitent parsing wrt tidy/user. [05:42:18] *Try cache when autoreviewing, should be up to date and faster. [05:42:18] *Remove aliasing. [05:42:18] *Tweak messages. [05:42:18] *Fix typo in error message. [05:42:20] *Fix '__METHOD__' where it belongs. [05:44:23] *Werdnum tickles VoiceOfAll [05:44:33] meow :3 [05:44:45] *Werdnum is glad that was a :3 instead of a >3 [05:44:48] <3* [06:19:21] 03(NEW) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #56, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11160 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (shinjiman) [08:11:58] 03erik * r25423 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/ (LqtBaseView.php LqtI18N.php LqtPages.php): [08:11:58] add i18n file & i18nize some messages [08:11:58] prettify edit summaries [08:13:08] ho ho dungodung [08:13:22] hey nokta [08:14:36] dungodung, do you have study these days? [08:14:53] alnokta: I have exams, not classes [08:17:09] dungodung, weird, i'm just starting again at 11sept ;) [08:17:30] I see [08:17:36] we start on october 1 [08:18:10] so you are working back-to-back? :P [08:23:02] 03ilabarg1 * r25424 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/EditPage.php: [EditPage.php]-All prints cleaned. [08:28:41] 03ilabarg1 * r25425 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/EditPage.php: [EditPage.php]-All break cleaned of processAttemptSave. [08:33:06] 03ilabarg1 * r25426 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/EditPage.php: [EditPage.php]-AS_HOOK_ERROR_A&B&C are put together as same constant error (AS_HOOK_ERROR). [08:34:45] alnokta: back-to-back? [08:35:40] 03ilabarg1 * r25427 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/EditPage.php: [EditPage.php]-AS_SUMMARY_NEEDED_A&B are put together as same constant error (AS_SUMMARY_NEEDED). [08:36:56] dungodung, like: once you finish eating, you start eating again.. [08:37:33] alnokta: no, it's not like that [08:38:21] ah [08:42:05] <_Danny_B_> are there mediazilla templates available somewhere in svn? [08:45:53] 03raymond * r25428 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): [08:45:53] * (bug 11160) Update Chinese translations [08:45:53] Patches by Shinjiman [08:46:53] 03(FIXED) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #56, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11160 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [08:52:38] 03raymond * r25429 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php: [08:52:38] * (bug 11155) Update French translations [08:52:38] Patch by Bertrand GRONDIN [08:53:19] 03(FIXED) add new french translation in /languages/messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11155 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [08:54:35] WTF [08:56:34] hi Nikerabbit [08:56:46] hi dungo [08:56:52] :) [08:58:51] i use javascript for an toolbar for a wikiextension. Can i use a logger framework published under the Apache License, Version 2.0 or does it have to be GPL to? [09:29:23] 03(NEW) Allow CSS styling of - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11161 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (yonidebest) [09:55:30] 03ilabarg1 * r25430 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/EditPage.php: [EditPage.php]-Created new constant "AS_HOOK_ERROR_EXPECTED" that returns different value than "AS_HOOK_ERROR". [10:02:16] 03ilabarg1 * r25431 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: [ApiEditPage.php]-Prints cleaned. [10:03:40] DB password: [ ] Must not be blank [10:03:59] That's stupid, what if I want to use postgresql ident authentication? [10:06:57] 03ilabarg1 * r25432 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: [ApiEditPage.php]-AS_HOOK_ERROR and AS_HOOK_ERROR_EXPECTED values handled instead old ones returned by hook errors in EditPage->attemptSave function. [10:08:22] 03(mod) Allow CSS styling of - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11161 +comment (10danny_b) [10:09:29] 03ilabarg1 * r25433 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: [ApiEditPage.php]-AS_SUMMARY_NEEDED_A&B are put together in AS_SUMMARY_NEEDED constant. [10:17:58] 03proes * r25434 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/SpecialSuggest.php: Resolved warning [10:21:33] yo [10:21:41] http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%89%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%AF%E0%B5%8B%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%A8%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%B1%E0%B5%86_%E0%B4%B8%E0%B4%82%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%A6%E0%B4%82:Vssun#My_bot [10:21:55] 03proes * r25435 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/Editor.php: Removed spurious OmegaWikiAttributes::getInstance() calls from Editor.php [10:26:16] Wow, "user" is "%E0%B4%89%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%AF%E0%B5%8B%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%A8%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%B1%E0%B5%86_%E0%B4%B8%E0%B4%82%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%A6%E0%B4%82" in URL-encoded Malayalam? [10:38:30] yes [10:38:40] user talk actualy [10:38:58] _ is the space [10:39:12] intgr do you see what the problem is? [10:46:44] intgr [10:47:07] I think each malayalam char is 4 bytes [10:51:04] Shiroi_Neko: What does this have to do with MediaWIki? [10:51:29] Renaming users and granting bot status is a task for Wikipedia project admins. [10:51:38] yes [10:51:45] mediawiki is denying it [10:51:55] malaylam chars dont work well with mediawiki [10:52:02] Ah. [10:52:12] the bcrat wasnt able to preform the task [10:52:16] as it returns an error [10:53:31] Shiroi_Neko: file a bugreport. mention the url of the userpage, and the execat error given. [10:55:25] where is a bugzilla url when you need one :) [10:55:38] ah there it is :) [10:56:38] Shiroi_Neko, you know malayalam ? [10:56:45] no [11:02:11] Shiroi_Neko: It be complaining about the "zero width joiner" character in the end. [11:02:28] Since the character is not visible, it can be used to create identically-appearing usernames. [11:02:36] Duesentrieb I see [11:02:37] It might be * [11:02:40] 03(NEW) Malayalam language characters don' t work well with mediawiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11162 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko) [11:03:23] intgr in malayalam that is fine since these do seem to have a usage or something [11:04:03] It is possible that MediaWiki is rejecting it for that reason. [11:04:22] local wiki people have been complaining abouth this problem for some time I think [11:04:48] Does it work if the character is removed? [11:05:10] If it does then I guess it warrants some discussion whether the character has legitimate uses in usernames. [11:08:35] intgr I am unsure [11:08:38] can you try? [11:09:14] Of course I cannot, I'm not a bureaucrat at ml.wikipedia. [11:14:31] gah! i'm having trouble with the DB wrapper (not sure if i messed up something): [11:16:27] i'm iterating over a result set. for each row, i perform an additionaly query (on the same db). [11:16:28] if that inner query fails, i catch the exception it throws, and want to continue with iterating over the "outer" result set. [11:16:28] but the next call to fetchRow on the outer result fails with the error message refering to the inner query failing :( [11:16:28] basically, it seems like lastErrono doesn't get cleared... how can that be? [11:22:36] 03(mod) Remove ?title=*** parameter from RC entries url - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11152 +comment (10danny_b) [11:30:56] 03(mod) Remove ?title=*** parameter from RC entries url - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11152 (10kalan.001) [11:31:38] 03(mod) Closing of Zhuang Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10691 (10triyork) [11:46:20] 03(NEW) MW not respecting SVG's "nominal" dimensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11163 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (brianna.laugher) [11:46:21] 03(mod) MW not respecting SVG's "nominal" dimensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11163 (10N/A) [11:49:25] 03raymond * r25437 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesPa.php): [11:49:27] * (bug 11145) Update Junjabi translations [11:49:28] Patch by AS Alam [12:02:25] 03(FIXED) Update Punjabi Translation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11145 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [12:14:04] hallo, i've a problem with the svg image rendering. here is an example: http://ol-wiki.de/index.php?title=Bild:Flag_of_Norway.svg [12:14:21] here another: http://ol-wiki.de/index.php?title=Bild:Kolv_logo_rsvg2.svg [12:21:48] :q [12:21:52] Oops. [12:28:45] Haha, MediaWiki breaks on IPv6. [12:29:51] what am i doing wrong when the wiki doesnt send any emails? [12:30:58] This is very lame, you can't even log in if you've got IPv6 enabled in your webserver. [12:31:34] Because "User:::ffff:1.2.3.4" is not a valid title. [12:32:29] solution: switch back to ipv4, wait 10 years, then go to ipv6 [12:33:10] Solution: Nag at MediaWiki developers and reconsider switching over from MoinMoin. [12:34:12] and now guess which solution will be successful and which not [12:36:50] It's not a technical problem, I'm sure I could hack IPv6 support into it. It's an ideological one: both MediaWiki and IPv6 have been out there for an eternity; almost any network-enabled free software application also supports IPv6; *except* for PHP which is notoriously bad for its deficient coding standards. [13:01:01] intgr: I am sure they built ipv6 support into MediaWiki. [13:01:11] I remember when they dd it. [13:09:33] minute: http://wiki.juffo.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page [13:10:21] ok [13:10:53] SkinTemplate::makeTalkUrlDetails() gets called with $name="User:::ffff:1.2.3.4" [13:11:36] And Title::newFromText("User:::ffff:1.2.3.4") returns NULL, which breaks the subsequent object reference. [13:12:12] Err, dereference. [13:18:34] 03proes * r25438 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (4 files): [13:18:34] * Renamed Fetcher to ContextFetcher [13:18:35] * Refactored annotation a bit [13:38:41] template!!! help!! [13:39:11] i'm trying to create a template for books [13:39:22] users will add author name [13:39:41] when a book has more than one auther, [13:39:49] how can I set the variable? [13:40:27] just put both names in the same variable? [13:40:50] or you could use an optional author2, and so on [13:41:30] //or you could use an optional author2, and so on// that is a good idea. [13:41:33] thank you [13:41:39] I'll test it [13:53:26] hi guys, I got a question regarding MediaWiki [13:53:48] I got a website (we'll call it http://www.site.com) and a wiki in the subdirectory "/wiki" [13:53:48] "Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask your question... but read the FAQ and search the web first." -topic [13:55:38] hmm, never searched the web but never thought of the FAQ [13:58:15] I meant, I HAVE searched the web but never thought of the FAQ :P [14:41:55] HAH [14:41:55] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11162 [14:41:59] soooo wide :) [14:44:06] <[PRDS]MrShlee> Any reason for the 1.11 stable delaY? [14:46:47] Duesentrieb: what is the php variable that handles h1 numbering? [14:47:04] [PRDS]MrShlee, basically the release manager is the CTO of Wikimedia and has lots of stuff to do. [15:01:03] Just made a huge mistake, upgraded PHP to 5.4.2 on my WIMP Mediawiki. Getting all kinds of errors, including: Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 threads didn't exit. Know this is a php problem, but has anyone else seen it? [15:01:39] You mean PHP 5.1.2? [15:01:45] That was 5.1.4, sorry [15:01:47] Anyway, sorry, no idea. [15:02:39] hey all.. [15:03:23] I'm working on an event extension [15:03:30] that I might wind up commiting someday [15:03:46] and am thinking about possibly using YUL [15:04:15] aka the Yahoo UI library [15:04:24] which they've released under a BSD-style license [15:04:58] what's the general feeling about something like that going into extensions? [15:05:17] ...cause I don't want to write it twice [15:06:34] I'm not exacly a fan of Yahoo [15:06:42] 03raymond * r25439 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUpload.php: [15:06:42] Fix a regression from the file repo stuff. [15:06:42] $file->getExtension returns now a normalized, lower case extension but the check needs the original extension from the upload input form. [15:06:59] still, it is really Free Software [15:07:20] my copy came from Debian [15:07:56] I got my reasons for not liking Yahoo [15:08:00] but that's not the point [15:08:07] I'm not familiar with YUL [15:08:16] ok [15:08:49] 03(NEW) Html > and < - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11164 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (pppswing) [15:09:26] I think I'll raise it on the mailing list [15:13:27] guys, I'm having problems following http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL [15:14:21] if my wiki's at /wiki, how can I configure the .htaccess located inside the /wiki folder, and not in the / folder? [15:14:54] 03(mod) > and < in allowed HTML tags escaped - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11164 summary (10danny_b) [15:14:56] 03(NEW) Some upload checks not triggered with AJAX framework enabled - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11166 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (raimond.spekking) [15:14:57] 03(NEW) Update for Swedish localisation (sv) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11165 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (lejonel) [15:16:11] intgr: hmm [15:17:39] 03raymond * r25440 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesSv.php: [15:17:39] * (bug 11165) Update Swedish translations [15:17:39] Patch by Lejonel [15:18:07] 03(FIXED) Update for Swedish localisation (sv) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11165 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [15:18:40] MediaWiki 1.10 does support IPv6; apologies for my prior ranting. [15:18:48] anyone? [15:19:31] DarkUranium: ... [15:19:43] Or something like that; I haven't used APache for ages. [15:20:01] intgr: I do see the error [15:20:25] hmm, still getting error 500 [15:20:58] VoiceOfAll: The error appears in MediaWiki 1.8, and most likely prior versions. [15:22:20] DarkUranium: Error 500 means that you've got a mistake in your .htaccess; refer to Apache error_log [15:22:51] I know, intgr [15:22:56] but I don't have access to eror_log [15:22:59] error_log* [15:23:09] or do I... [15:25:10] Then you have to do it by trial and error. [15:25:36] 03(mod) checkLanguage.php does not find unexisting messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11113 (10lejonel) [15:25:39] I do have access to A log [15:25:43] but not the error log [15:25:51] all I got in there are GETs and POSTs [15:26:35] I'm just gonna delete the whole .htaccess and start over [15:26:52] 03(mod) checkLanguage.php does not find unexisting messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11113 +easy +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking) [15:33:59] intgr: wait, how are you getting '::ffff:1.2.3.4'? [15:36:05] When the HTTP server is listening on a IPv6 socket, all IPv4 addresses are mapped to the IPv6 range ::ffff:0:0/96 [15:36:30] Which is always formatted as ::ffff:x.y.z.w [15:40:50] okay, it doesn't show an error anymore [15:40:53] but it doesn't work either [15:56:06] 03proes * r25441 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (5 files): [15:56:06] Simplified object annotation a bit and thereby solved problem with recursive annotating: [15:56:06] * Added getDefinedMeaningId() to IdStack [15:56:06] * Removed ContextFetcher from AttributeEditor [16:04:43] im making dumpBackup.xml --full for my wiki (about 37000 articles) and stop on 18kb, but with dumpbackup.xml --current goes ok. How long is full process? [16:11:37] Hi, i've installed the ConfirmAccount extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount) and it shows up fine on the Version page etc, however when I try to view the added Special page (http://themidlands.net/wiki/Special:ConfirmAccounts) it says that I need to be in the group beureaucrats, despite the user having sysop / bureaucrat credentials - can anyone give me a clue as to how to fix this? [16:11:42] 03ilabarg1 * r25442 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: [ApiEditPage.php]-Edittime request parameter adapted to numeric format (clear all -,: and a-z characters). [16:13:09] any devs online?= [16:14:15] allo brion [16:14:26] just the guy I needed [16:14:45] morning [16:15:01] 03proes * r25443 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (Editor.php SpecialSuggest.php suggest.js): Renamed confusing objectId parameter to definedMeaningId in SpecialSuggest. [16:15:21] brion: though, as povray is often used to create images onwiki, I though it was bad that it wasn't any geshi script for povray. SO Iv'e made one, feel free to include it: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/73333 [16:15:37] <3 [16:15:39] nice :D [16:16:17] AzaTht: can you attach that on a bug report? add a note that i said robchurch shouldn't wontfix it without asking me ;) [16:16:26] lol [16:17:02] brion: ok ツ [16:18:50] im making dumpBackup.xml --full for my wiki (about 37000 articles) and stop on 18kb, but with dumpbackup.xml --current goes ok. How long is full process? [16:22:21] brion: done [16:22:34] any second now [16:22:41] 03(NEW) povray syntax file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11167 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: SyntaxHighlight (GeSHi); (azatoth) [16:23:03] thx [16:24:01] povray plugin :-S [16:24:04] la leche [16:24:14] asmarin: haha [16:24:41] we all want a real-time powray renderer included [16:24:50] pov* [16:24:51] hehehe [16:25:11] why? [16:25:21] that should be submitted upstream [16:25:22] asmarin: just because it's possible ツ [16:25:35] TimStarling: I know, but they are using sf.net [16:25:45] what's wrong with that? [16:27:04] they're pretty responsive, they incorporated all my patches without arguing too much [16:27:12] TimStarling: it should be submitted upstream, yes. but we don't want it lost either :) [16:27:25] true, though they had major problem with their lists/forum a while ago [16:28:01] I complained about O(N^2) regexes, but they didn't really understand the concept [16:28:20] hehe [16:29:20] hello there :) [16:29:21] I explained the problem in great detail, and how to fix it, but they didn't understand and did a release fixing only half of the instances [16:29:28] they should all be O(N^-1) ツ [16:29:31] so I gave them a patch fixing the rest [16:29:51] is there a way to have user creations notified to admin email? [16:30:22] TimStarling: I did before add one syntax file to geshi, mysql.php [16:31:05] but I though this time, I go directly to you ツ [16:31:59] TimStarling: as it is in debian, you go via DD, not directly upstream [16:32:16] s/DD/maintainer/g [16:32:41] inaddbimadm [16:33:54] well ok actually i want that if someone create an account on my wiki, that i receive a notification email, and that i can confirm the account or not [16:33:57] is that possible? [16:35:11] (someone should respond to Tuxbublin1, but I'm, not smart enought to reply) [16:35:16] Tuxbublin1: there's an extension for this [16:35:18] -, [16:35:21] something like newusernotif? [16:35:25] i haven't used it myself [16:35:50] brion ah ok i'll check that [16:36:34] 03(FIXED) Error initializing Semantic Forms 5.4 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11053 +comment (10yaron57) [16:36:38] 03aaron * r25444 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (IP.php Title.php): [16:36:38] *Convert '.' to ':' for IPs that have both (like '::eff:1.4.0.3') [16:36:38] *Expand IP dbkeys like "::fff:3e" rather than complain about the double colons [16:36:46] brion cool sounds great for notification, but is there a way to keep user account just created unavailable until i activate it? [16:37:04] intgr: heh [16:37:11] Tuxbublin1: i think there's another extension for approving users but dunno deails [16:38:04] Tuxbublin1: there is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewUserEmailNotification and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:New_User_Email_Notification [16:38:08] dunno the difference [16:38:45] except the latter is made by rob [16:38:56] ( a good or bad thing?) [16:39:03] *AzaTht hides [16:39:34] :D [16:39:34] yep i was watching the second one :) [16:39:58] 03(FIXED) Wrong URL redirection when using {{#forminput}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11090 +comment (10yaron57) [16:40:07] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount << sounds like what i need :) [16:40:26] brion: any ETA on bug 5678? [16:40:34] ツ [16:41:01] AzaTht: nope! [16:41:09] it's a holiday [16:41:14] i ain't touching it today :D [16:41:30] It's Labour Day, you should be /labouring away at bug fixes/ ;) [16:41:42] AzaTht: this is the *new* brion, do not forget [16:41:52] 03(mod) povray syntax file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11167 (10robchur) [16:42:02] The new brion wants overtime pay and extra holidays :p [16:42:10] O_O [16:42:10] eek! [16:42:17] *robchurch slaps AzaTht [16:42:29] I am distinctly offended at the complete lack of professionalism in your latest bug report. [16:42:34] :) [16:42:52] I would not have WONTFIXed the request - I would have posted the comment that I did. [16:42:53] robchurch: i asked him to add that ;) [16:42:57] and yes, we're submitting it upstream [16:43:16] Your comment implies that I routinely WONTFIX things in bad faith. [16:43:31] *TimLaqua gets some popcorn [16:44:07] it is true, he does not *routinely" do it ;) [16:44:33] be nice, folks :D [16:44:36] hmm [16:45:03] robchurch: AzaTht: can you attach that on a bug report? add a note that i said robchurch shouldn't wontfix it without asking me ヅ [16:45:20] brion: oh, we are all just playing around [16:45:20] ;) [16:45:23] want a bug? [16:45:27] VoiceOfAll: hehe [16:45:41] I don't WONTFIX an enhancement report unless I am reasonably certain that it doesn't fit in with the scope of the MediaWiki software, and unless I am reasonably sure that the lead developer would usually agree. [16:45:42] the hell, why are there like five different versions of eclipse now? [16:45:45] nm wrong channel sorry [16:45:51] bloody focus stealing [16:46:11] I wasn't aware that anybody felt any of my development actions were done in bad faith. [16:46:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Dubai <-loverly [16:46:31] *wikidrama* [16:46:36] in the words of Jar Jar [16:47:07] no, Jar Jar the Great, bringing kids and adults alike to enjoy the magic of Star Wars [16:47:14] [16:48:43] Now, because I don't feel like parting on a negative note, allow me to briefly extend agreement to TimStarling's response to Erik's new free software policy - it's crap - and extend an invitation to anybody who feels I act in any kind of bad faith when responding to bugs or fixing things or anything else I've done for the MediaWiki project or other Wikimedia projects, to email me. [16:49:36] what free software policy? [16:49:40] *brion no idea [16:49:59] mesa don't havsa clue [16:50:03] it's cross-posted to wikitech-l and foundation-l [16:50:15] bright idea from Erik [16:50:41] *brion trundles on over to work email [16:50:42] Tim: do you expect brion and I to read the mailing list? ;) [16:51:41] it's a holiday weekend [16:51:57] indeed [16:52:17] brion: right on! [16:56:31] FYI, upgrading to PHP 5.2.4, in WIMP, libmysql.dll has a bug, you will have to manually replace with same from version 5.2.1 [16:58:30] i don't see anything particularly problematic in said policy [16:58:33] it seems to be our existing policy [17:00:44] How are the section anames generated? [17:01:02] 03(mod) Activate DynamicPageList on en.wikisource, de.wikisource, he. wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8563 +comment (10millero) [17:01:52] Cobi: what section names? [17:02:00] testing ?_? [17:02:24] TimStarling: The headers. ==Section 1==, ==Section 2==, etc. [17:02:40] dinner, bbl [17:13:20] brion when i load one of these extension i got a white page O_o [17:13:22] any idea? [17:14:27] Tuxbublin1: enable error display [17:14:28] or logging [17:14:30] in php [17:14:35] ah sounds like it doesn"t like php5 [17:15:32] ah no [17:15:48] it looks for ExtensionFunctions.php [17:16:15] weee [17:16:47] and i dont have it :p [17:17:39] I'm having trouble with making index.php the default when visiting my wiki (I get the root and files of my install) [17:18:09] brion actually only the http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount has problem [17:18:53] bah ok i get it [17:20:37] brion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:FlaggedRevs#Doesn.27t_work [17:20:38] :D [17:22:01] VoiceOfAll: nothing should use ExtensionFunctions.php [17:22:06] i strongly recommend destroying it entirely [17:22:48] 03(mod) Unicode normalization "sorts" Hebrew and Arabic vowels wrongly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2399 (10millero) [17:23:40] hey is there a way to delete a user? [17:23:45] without extention? [17:24:03] no [17:24:12] or you could try messing with the db directly [17:24:16] but I don't recommend that [17:24:17] Tuxbublin1: I recommend against it [17:24:29] the I suppose you can delete totally unused accounts [17:24:42] hmm, there is some maintenance script for that [17:24:57] ok i'm gonna trash it from the db [17:25:05] i wanna remove a test user [17:27:47] 03(NEW) Disable uploads on the Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11168 15enhancement; high; Wikimedia: Site requests; (robin_1273) [17:28:55] 03(mod) Disable uploads on the Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11168 high->normal; +shell (10raimond.spekking) [17:29:23] Is it possible to rename Main_Page? [17:29:33] edit [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]] [17:30:02] Ah, thanks. [17:30:30] (you will still have to manually get the content to the new page, however) [17:30:47] Yeah, I was expecting that. [17:31:27] gasp email notification doesn't work [17:31:30] that's just crazy [17:32:45] haha [17:39:33] holy crap [17:39:50] i received the email from the wiki but not from the extention [17:41:04] how is a php array declared? [17:42:53] Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/html/wiki_webraska/extensions/NewUserNotif/NewUserNotif.class.php on line 56 [17:44:25] :q [17:45:31] gonna see this tomorrow :D [17:45:33] cya [17:46:46] 03tlaqua * r25445 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [17:46:46] Fixed bug 10836 [17:46:46] Added 'newsectionsummary' message to allow customization and localization of prefix text in new section links in Recent Changes [17:46:46] Updated RELEASE-NOTES [17:49:16] *VoiceOfAll reads brion's checkuser-l comment [17:49:18] hehe [17:50:27] 03tlaqua * r25446 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/EditPage.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): Minor - Switched to hardcoded space for 'newsectionsummary' [17:50:39] maybe it should be a WMF wiki [17:51:20] 03(FIXED) Change the summary on creating of new section - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10836 +comment (10t.laqua) [17:57:29] How are the HTML anchors for section headers generated? [17:58:15] 03siebrand * r25447 10/USERINFO/siebrand: [17:58:15] * Updating information [17:58:15] * Will also be committing to message files and extension messages files [18:04:43] 03(NEW) Portuguese translation error, file: MessagesPt.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11169 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (tbarabasz) [18:07:03] 03raymond * r25448 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [18:07:03] * Update messages.inc [18:07:03] * Updates German [18:07:05] $this->summary = wfMsg('newsectionsummary') [18:07:11] shouldn't that use wfMSgForContent? [18:09:20] Should it? [18:09:28] 03(mod) Portuguese translation error, file: MessagesPt.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11169 (10shinjiman) [18:10:12] I haven't nailed down where to use wfMsgForContent vs. wfMsg [18:10:33] hmm... I suppose the message is static once it gets in the summary. good call. I'll go change it. [18:12:51] 03raymond * r25449 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPt.php: * (bug 11169) Correction to two Portuguese messages [18:13:31] 03tlaqua * r25450 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Changed from wfMsg('newsectionsummary') to wfMsgForContent('newsectionsummary'). [18:13:33] Nikerabbit, thanks! [18:14:28] 03(FIXED) Portuguese translation error, file: MessagesPt.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11169 15enhancement->normal; +comment (10raimond.spekking) [18:14:45] hmm... that example explains the "ForContent" part. ;-) It's all coming together... [18:16:19] someone here uses AD for authentication ? [18:16:35] klapzin, ya. [18:18:46] do you have a guide to do this ? [18:19:03] i am having a problem... [18:19:40] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication [18:19:41] Which version of LdapAuthentication.php you are using ? [18:19:52] timichal, I already read this page [18:20:34] I have one on 1.0h and one on 1.1g [18:20:49] maybe f... dunno, Ryan's versioning is all wacky. ;-) [18:21:42] klapzin, what's the problem? [18:22:05] 03raymond * r25451 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/WatchlistEditor.php): [18:22:05] Re-revert of r25349 per Brion on [18:22:05] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2007-September/033207.html [18:22:56] Couldn't find an entry [18:23:04] the page shows me this error [18:23:21] now i am using debug=10 [18:23:28] 3 is the highest level [18:23:40] for $wgLDAPDebug [18:23:44] okok [18:24:08] can i post for you a fully output ? [18:31:52] 03ivanlanin * r25452 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesId.php: Indonesian (id) localisation updates. [18:34:08] Can we put in a banner ad for MediaWiki since we use so many of them on our site? [18:34:17] 03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #56, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11160 +comment (10shinjiman) [18:34:30] http://www.noisecontrolmedia.com [18:36:15] Before I blew up my wikis by upgrading to PHP 5.2.4, I had it set to output all php errors to phperror.log. Can someone give me a quick hint on how to reset this in php.ini? [18:38:59] 03raymond * r25453 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): [18:38:59] * (bug 11160) Update Chinese translations [18:38:59] Patches by Shinjiman [18:39:11] 03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #56, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11160 (10raimond.spekking) [18:39:34] TimLaqua, why a hardcoded space? Some languages don't use spaces. [18:40:10] well, because when I did a test update of the message from New section: to New topic: in the article, wiki ate my trailing space [18:40:43] like when I put a custom value in MediaWiki:newsectionsummary of "New topic: [18:40:47] the trailing space got truncated. [18:41:38] and technically, the space will be between a link and a prefix - I can't imagine it would be a problem... right? maybe? ;-) [18:44:57] Has anyone ever had the login page of their wiki suddenly dissapear? [18:45:13] maybe it's scared of other wikis... [18:45:31] The big wikis gonna much it up :P [18:45:38] munch* [18:45:41] rarr [18:45:46] rar [18:45:50] lol [18:46:23] brion, how often is test.wikipedia.org sync'd to svn HEAD? [18:46:46] :D Just I wake up and the first email I get is from a user saying its gone. Im hoping it hasnt left me for good. [18:48:05] That makes me a tad annoyed seeing as how I like my users to be able to login. [18:48:33] just a blank page? [18:48:37] yep [18:49:10] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_Symptoms#You_see_a_Blank_Page [18:50:11] Jack_Phoenix - [18:50:19] yes? [18:50:28] I've added a mediawiki.png - but its distorted at the size I want [18:50:34] Is there one already made? [18:50:38] oo Thank you, the confirm edit extension doesnt play well with my login page apparently. [18:50:43] np [18:50:46] http://www.noisecontrolmedia.com [18:50:57] *Jack_Phoenix doesn't know really [18:51:08] TimLaqua: right before we scap [18:51:44] brion, do you scap on a schedule? or just when it feels right? ;-) [18:51:49] Al: version? [18:51:54] TimLaqua: when it seems right ;) [18:52:05] gotcha. [18:52:10] when things aren't backed up, i generally try to do an update every morning after change review [18:52:21] but sometimes there's just too much shit going on :) [18:55:26] Ok login page problem solved by killing a giant chunk of the script to make it work with 1.6 :D [18:55:40] Thanks again. [18:55:43] like some sorta ninja. [18:55:48] ;-) later. [18:55:54] It didnt know what hit it ;) [18:56:18] heh [18:56:29] you _hsould_ be able to just disable the captcha-on-login setting [18:56:37] but maybe it blows up still, dunno [19:05:13] hi. the special CSS class in common.css that makes IPA symbols work on Wikipedia -- it doesn't seen to be in the MediaWiki install I've downloaded [19:05:19] is it an extention or a hack? [19:05:41] what's the class? [19:07:16] IPA [19:07:46] line 480 of common.css, according to firefox's DOM inspector [19:09:09] can you give me a link to the page? [19:09:38] any with IPA -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA will do it [19:10:00] look for [19:13:15] joachim-n: It's added manually to the wiki page "MediaWiki:Common.css", which is appended on page load. [19:13:54] ah. thanks :) [19:22:25] I'm trying to get the geshi highlighter working, but the tags don't seem to work. [19:22:38] Can someone point me to a troubleshooting list? [19:22:41] I can't find one. [19:23:17] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi [19:29:27] 03david * r25455 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtPages.php: (m) made wfrunhooks happy [19:31:23] is MediaWiki:Common.css a relatively recent addition to MediaWiki? [19:31:32] I don't see it in my versions' list of system messages [19:33:00] mediawiki:monobook.css is a [19:33:05] system message [19:33:16] or mediawiki:your_skin.css [19:34:22] yes, but is it later than 1.6? [19:36:13] I'm sure it is in 1.9+, joachirn-n [19:36:25] I'm stuck with 1.6 for the time being :( [19:36:36] but I haven't tested the previous versionas [19:38:26] ok thanks :) [19:38:51] you're welcome [19:39:30] exim [19:41:14] 03(mod) CLI API request - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10540 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [19:43:51] 03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 +comment (10webmaster) [19:46:07] 03(mod) on a page doesn't list tags from included templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8693 (10webmaster) [19:54:08] 03(NEW) add new french translation in /languages/messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11170 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bertrand.grondin) [19:55:47] Nikerabbit: you there? i'm having an issue with one of my toolserver scripts, and it's driving me nuts... [19:57:33] dues: it's pj's-time for the rabbit apparently ;) [19:58:18] 03catrope * r25456 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryImageInfo.php): [19:58:18] * (bug 11115) API: Adding the SHA1 to the imageinfo query [19:58:18] * Moving misplaced entry in RELEASE-NOTES [19:59:26] BrokenArrow: pj? anyway - perhaps you have some clue why i'm getting database errors from mediawiki's db wrapper "in the wrong place"? [20:01:16] Duesentrieb: you can try describing the error, but probably not :( [20:01:42] well, maybe *someoneÜ has a clue [20:02:02] basically, i'm iterating over a result set, and running another query for every row in the result set [20:02:22] sometimes, this query fails, and i catch the error. so far, so good. [20:02:55] but on the next call to fetchRow for the "outer" query, i'm getting that error again - an error that has nothing to do with the outer query. [20:03:12] it seems like the internal error state is not reset. i must be doing something very wrong... [20:03:24] 03(FIXED) Adding the sha1 to the imageinfo query - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11115 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [20:04:10] Does any of the lead devs here have a clue as to why in the name of hell the images.img_sha1 field is in base 36?!? [20:04:20] and very over my head, sorry. [20:04:23] Duesentrieb, if you're running a query for every row in a resultset, why don't you just do a sub-query in the original query? [20:04:52] TimLaqua: becaus the outer quers is "show databases". basically, i'm fetching stats from all wikis. [20:04:57] ah [20:06:03] what sort of error is the inner query throwing? [20:06:04] ...and i don't want to open a fesh conenction for each wiki. that would be kind of silly. [20:06:42] TimLaqua: "table does not exist". it happens when the wiki db (or it'S toolserver copy) is broken, or it'S not a real wiki db. [20:06:58] the script has to be robust against that - i'd just ignore that db and go on. [20:07:23] anything against checking to see if the table exists before querying it? [20:07:30] to avoid the error state in the first place? [20:08:30] TimLaqua: well, the built-in check for that doesn't work, because it doesn't allow me to specify a db name. also, it works by running a select and checking the error code - basically the same as I do. [20:08:56] i'm sure this worked before... i'm kind of stumped. [20:09:01] huh. [20:09:04] $result = mysql_query("SHOW TABLES LIKE 'name'); [20:09:05] echo mysql_num_rows($result); [20:09:35] could just write your own table checker function [20:09:40] that accepts a database arg [20:09:48] yea... could try that i guess. [20:09:57] catching errors sound scary [20:10:04] its a possibel workaround, but other errors *might* happen. [20:10:18] i want to find out why this doesn't work. it's kind of odd... [20:10:23] yeah [20:11:43] are you using the database abstraction stuff? like $dbr->query(); [20:17:14] Does anyone know, how the number of versions of a software, especially mediawiki are counted? [20:17:33] Is it completely arbitrary to call one version 1.11 [20:17:49] and the other 1.10 or obeys a special rule? [20:18:05] 03catrope * r25457 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryInfo.php): (bug 10898) API does not return an edit token for non-existent pages [20:18:23] TimLaqua: yea, i'm using MediaWiki's db abstraction [20:18:52] and you're doing like a try { } catch (DBQueryError) { } to catch the error? [20:19:26] Soroush83, 1.10.x to 1.11 can contain Schema changes [20:19:34] 03catrope * r25458 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/ (CHANGED includes/api/ApiQueryInfo.php): apiedit: Fixing bug 10898 the dirty way, will clean up QueryInfo later. [20:19:40] but minor versions, like 1.10.0 to 1.10.1 won't have schema changes [20:19:41] Soroush83: well, version numbers are incremented. the specific rules may be different for each software projects. to make matters worse, the internal version number is often different from the "marketing version": windows xp is windows nt 5.1, Java 5 is Jad 1.5, etc [20:20:08] 03(FIXED) API does not return an edit token for nonexistent pages when logged in - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10898 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [20:20:11] thanks very much [20:20:23] and when will it get 2+ [20:20:36] 03(mod) API does not return an edit token for nonexistent pages when logged in - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10898 (10roan.kattouw) [20:20:59] Soroush83: MediaWiki uses a three-part scheme: major.minor.patchlevel. the major version is 1, 2 would indicate a major rewrite. minor version number are qurterly releases. the patch-level is for bugfix-releases for each minor version. [20:21:42] thanks very much again [20:22:18] Soroush83: bugfix releases generally don't add functionality, and don't impose schema changes. "normal" require an "upgrade", possibly changing the db schema. you can't readily downgrade accross releases. [20:23:13] 03(mod) API JSON formatter returns [] as an empty return value instead of {} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10887 summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw) [20:23:21] Soroush83: basically, "mediawiki 2" is when all the things happen that are not possible right now :) Like, a real parser. [20:23:32] "mediawiki 2" is like the promised land or something. [20:23:45] "not likely to happen soon". [20:28:31] 03(mod) API JSON formatter returns [] as an empty return value instead of {} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10887 (10Bryan.TongMinh) [20:32:20] What's happening in the apiedit branch? [20:34:51] davidmccabe why? What about it? [20:35:16] All I did was merge a bugfix from trunk [20:36:25] can yee add colgroup and col? [20:36:31] it's of use [20:37:55] 03catrope * r25459 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryCategoryMembers.php): [20:37:55] * (bug 10890) API: Timestamp support for categorymembers query [20:37:55] * Removed some stray whitespace [20:38:26] 03rotem * r25460 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update. [20:40:45] 03(FIXED) Timestamp support for categorymembers query - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10890 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [20:41:54] 03(mod) add exclude redirects on backlinks or indicate redirect in result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10980 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [20:41:55] 03(ASSIGNED) add exclude redirects on backlinks or indicate redirect in result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10980 (10roan.kattouw) [20:52:06] 06(LATER) API JSON formatter returns [] as an empty return value instead of {} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10887 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [20:59:07] Hi, how can I block some pages? i mean, just members can see it [21:00:34] did some updates to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Edit_-_Uploading_files [21:00:38] what yeee think? [21:01:06] ? [21:01:15] i wanna block some pages from visualization [21:01:16] ooooh pécaïre. [21:02:38] Hi, how can I block some pages? i mean, just members can see it! [21:03:10] see http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [21:03:45] @ gustavo [21:12:03] Cbrown1023: so complicated! [21:12:21] 03(NEW) Configure additional import sources on Italian projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11171 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (broken.arrow) [21:12:31] well, mediawiki isn't *meant* to restrict access [21:18:02] gpvos: yup [21:18:23] i seem to have scared away gustavo :( [21:21:15] 03(NEW) All transcluded pages should be listed when editing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11172 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (doug.strain) [21:24:17] Hello [21:24:47] I was wondering if I could use one icon of mediawiki on my new CMS. [21:25:31] Georg1: "one icon", like what? [21:25:49] This one: http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/thumb/5/55/Archive.png/50px-Archive.png [21:26:21] Georg1: that icon is part of mediawiki? [21:26:30] Yes. http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/User_talk:Hyarion [21:26:37] AFAIK, no, Duesentrieb [21:26:48] In that page it says that this site is powered by mediawiki [21:27:02] So I guess this icon is made by mediawiki [21:27:06] Georg1: that doesn't mean all images used on the site are part of mediawiki [21:27:13] Georg1: it's an uploaded image [21:27:48] OK, so who I'll have to ask to get permission? [21:27:48] When someone has a chance, can they look at my patch for http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9579 , please? [21:27:48] http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Image:Archive.png [21:27:53] Georg1: ask the uploader where he got it and what the license is. [21:28:25] Georg1: this has nothing to do with mediawiki. it's just "some picture on some site". [21:28:26] OK thanks but how I will find who uploaded this image? [21:28:30] ask whoever put it there, [21:28:38] It doesn't says.. [21:28:47] Georg1: i linked to the images description page. it lists the uplaod history [21:28:59] 01:07, 13 October 2006 . . Hyarion (Talk) . . 128x128 (9225 bytes) [21:29:04] apparently it's http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/User:Hyarion [21:29:17] Hyarion is the uploader? [21:29:24] yes. [21:29:29] yes, that's what the history says [21:29:31] Thank you very much guys. [21:29:33] doesn't mean he has rights to it [21:29:36] I appreciate your help. [21:29:39] I'll ask him [21:29:44] but he put it there, so he *should* know about creator & license [21:29:50] Yes. [21:30:03] Now how do I sign out of this channel? [21:30:09] if it's under a free license, that *should* be mentioned there [21:30:11] Georg1: /part [21:30:16] OK. Bye. [21:33:39] hey Tim :) [21:35:39] 03tstarling * r25461 10/trunk/phase3/thumb.php: Return an error message if the requested size was bigger than the source, or more generally if the "transformed" output file is in fact the source file. [21:47:41] hey [21:47:50] oop, other tim [21:48:11] heh :) [21:49:33] damn, my isp went down and I disconnected a few hours ago [22:06:22] 03rainman * r25462 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/ (40 files in 16 dirs): [22:06:22] * Rewrite link analysis for lower memory profile, slows down the complete [22:06:22] rebuilds, but not too much for larger wikis (maybe 20%) [22:06:22] * Drop MySQL storage - store link analysis in specialized lucene index [22:06:22] * Extract anchor text (related extraction seems to be too slow) [22:06:25] * Cleanup of spellcheck stuff, use only one index [22:06:27] * Make suggest index be rebuilt for defaultnamespacestobesearchedorsomethinglikethat [22:07:08] I'm running a wiki on Apache but an ascii topic can't be read, how do I enable things like \o/ to display properly? (http://fade.mine.nu/wiki/ [22:07:09] hi - does anyone use ldap authentication w/ mediawiki? [22:07:55] I'd get an URL not found when using the [22:08:42] (excuse the half setences, random keyboard I'm not used to..) Http://fade.mine.nu/wiki/\o/ results in a Not found [22:09:26] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication/Configuration_Examples <-- seems easy enough, but i keep getting "wrong password" [22:09:44] nothing in the slapd logs and nothing in the apache logs (odd, eh?) [22:12:15] when i change versions (to the alpha one) -- i get: PHP Notice: Undefined index: ldap.labs.wiki.com in /srv/www/hosts/ldap-wiki.labs.example.com/docs/extensions/LdapAuthentication.php on line 168, referer: http://ldap-wiki.labs.example.com/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&action=submitlogin&type=login&returnto=Special:Userlogin [22:12:30] ldap.labs.example.com* [22:12:45] Undefined index:^^^ [22:16:29] php_ldap is enabled -- according to phpinfo() [22:24:26] HeinOji, Change to $wgArticlePath = "{$wgScript}?title=$1"; in LocalSettings.php [22:27:12] hi [22:27:27] any news on the version release? [22:27:46] hey yurikny [22:27:52] "really soon now" or something [22:27:57] heh [22:28:18] i don't want to pollute the trunk with the api changes until that happens :) [22:28:19] yurikny: someone was looking for you the otehr day. some type or other on the api [22:28:38] http://mediawiki.pastebin.com/d379721ed <-- this is the config that i added to LocalSettings.php [22:28:46] i do have an email ... good system, really! [22:28:49] :) [22:28:58] TimLaqua I'll give it a shot, [22:29:33] mick_work, why on earth would that code work? [22:29:38] i do see the "Your domain:" field in the login page [22:29:52] TimLaqua: !!??? [22:30:01] TimLaqua: what do you mean? [22:30:03] mick_work, that code has a bunch of example non-existand domain info [22:30:10] mick_work, you have to put your info in there [22:30:24] well s/example/what_i_actually_use/ [22:30:51] mick_work, ;-) what LDAP server are you using? AD? [22:30:58] OpenLDAP [22:31:18] and those settings work for bugzilla (i have it authenticating against LDAP) [22:31:35] TimLaqua, it worked :3 though I edited $wgScript => $wgScriptPath to make it work [22:31:44] Duesentrieb: do you remember who/what they wanted? [22:32:00] HeinOji, makes sense. ;-) [22:32:07] i'm using a simple bind, no tls [22:32:18] Now only to get image upload working as intended. [22:32:31] mick_work, dunno, pry best to ask on the Extension talk page. I know Ryan watches it pretty close. [22:33:01] $tmpservers = $wgLDAPServerNames[$_SESSION['wsDomain']]; <-- it dowesn't like this line in the extension [22:33:21] yurikny: Notice: Undefined property: ApiQueryRevisions::$fld_len in /home/azatoth/public_html/srcwiki/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php on line 239
[22:33:28] yurikny: i think it got fixed already [22:33:49] I think TimStarling fixed it [22:33:54] oh yes, i saw someone checking it in [22:33:57] yep, tim [22:33:58] thx! [22:36:18] yurikny: yea [22:36:48] it pretty much screwed up the xml ツ [22:38:18] what is the best way to check the mediawiki version? [22:38:31] AzaTht: strange - any internal error should still be wrapped into a proper xml [22:39:10] mick_work: Special:Version [22:39:41] yurikny: did you see the bugreport about not getting XML on a 50x error? [22:39:58] from squids? [22:40:01] thanks [22:40:05] yurikny: yea. i closed it as invalid. i just mention it for fun. [22:40:06] damn i am using 1.8.2 [22:40:16] :) [22:40:33] mick_work: upgrade time :) or wait for 1.11. which should have been released a month or so ago. [22:40:35] Duesentrieb: you have a strange sense of humor :) [22:40:41] How are the HTML anchors for section headers generated? [22:40:47] so they say. [22:40:53] Cobi: magic [22:40:58] Duesentrieb: ... [22:41:19] Cobi: url-encode, replace % by . - more or less. [22:41:25] Cobi: but why do you need to know? [22:41:28] is there a way to turn off autosummaries in newly created pages? [22:41:32] mick_work, may be you should change your nick to mick_work_darkages [22:41:36] yurikny: it didn't [22:41:50] it made it unvalid magna [22:42:07] Dr_DBW: ya, i know - when wikis are at work they never upgrade ;) [22:42:12] Duesentrieb: I am making a bot which needs to be able to tell if a link points to another section of wikitext. [22:42:40] Cobi: simple: if it starts with #, it does. [22:42:41] Cobi, it's in Parser.php somewhere, I think. [22:42:46] AzaTht: magna? [22:42:58] Duesentrieb: I need to know if that other section exists. [22:43:02] yurikny: the above notice, I got form firefox error console [22:43:02] don't look at Parser.php, it'll explode your eyes [22:43:10] yurikny: magnus [22:43:13] Duesentrieb: Too late, I already tried that. [22:43:13] ;) [22:43:22] Cobi, note that the section anchor isn't solely a function of the section name. It has numbers appended in the event of duplicates. [22:43:28] I recently upgraded from 1.9.3 to 1.10.1 Backed up files / database, copied new version over top, ran updating script, nothing more. Now I have a "Undefined offset: 0 in Namespace.php on line 96" error. Any suggestions on why? [22:43:41] Cobi: tricky - there are lots of ways to write the reference. you can write it unencoded, ancoded, with html entities, or a mixture of all that... [22:43:48] yurikny: though, it's I think a fatal error, so perhaps those won't be cached? [22:44:21] AzaTht: iirc, any errors are not cached [22:44:24] might be mistaken [22:44:41] AzaTht: strange - any internal error should still be wrapped into a proper xml [22:44:46] AzaTht: iirc, any errors are not cached [22:44:52] please make up your mind ツ [22:44:54] Simetrical: With duplicates, is the first one the same as if there were no duplicates, and the second is just with a ' 2' appended to the end? [22:45:11] can someone answer for me a general CMS question? [22:45:21] Cobi, and so on, yes. [22:45:26] (Of course it's really _2 and _3.) [22:45:31] (And so on.) [22:45:42] Ok, thanks :) [22:46:01] blur: not if you don't ask it. [22:46:08] good point [22:46:17] T_T I feel so new to all this. [22:46:40] AzaTht: an error result will be returned as a proper xml/json/... if it hits the api code. the result will not be cached by the squids. i see no problems :) [22:46:50] is medawiki the best cms around for someone who wants to make an online encyclopedia (like wikiepdia but without all the bells and whistles, like talk or user-edit)? just a plain encyclopedia where i add and edit content [22:46:57] yurikny: duh [22:47:06] catched* [22:47:24] And second question, using direct links to use the preload function for adding some content, is it possible to pass something to the Subject/heading field? [22:47:24] read my lousy engrish please [22:47:48] yurikny: but no, it wasnt returned as proper xml [22:47:57] blur: best system yes, if it's user edited. if you want a read-only site, it may still be worth considering, but may not be the best choice. [22:48:19] AzaTht: ok, so it was hitting the api code, but the error handling wrapper failed i guess [22:48:22] dusen: why would it not be the best choice in that case? [22:48:22] blur, MediaWiki is a wiki engine, not a CMS engine. [22:48:24] let me look at it [22:48:28] yurikny: probably [22:48:29] blur: choices like this depend on a lot of things. but i know one serious, traditional, closed, for-$$$ online encyclopedia that uses mediawiki. [22:48:30] blur, if you want a CMS, you should probably use one. [22:48:38] I have bumped into a problem with image uploads, It gives me the response of being unable to write [22:48:43] dues: which one?? [22:48:46] yurikny: try to undo the fix, and see for your self [22:48:49] blur: [22:48:50] http://lexikon.meyers.de/meyers/Meyers-Meyers_Lexikon_online [22:49:04] blur, of course MW can be a fairly decent CMS too, but that's not what it's intended for, so don't be surprised if you see obvious missing features. [22:49:20] i don't need many features, really [22:49:33] just a fast and reliable online encyclopedia [22:49:49] blur: the fun thin is that meyers is owned by brockhaus, which is germany's encyclopedia britanica (only that it sucks more). and Brockhaus' position to wikipedia is similar to that of Britanica... [22:50:07] and from what i understand, mw is praised for handling large databases, quickly under heavy traffic [22:50:21] blur: well, how is the "encyclopedia" part important? there are lots of personal-cms/hompage-toolkit thingies out there [22:50:32] which suits you best depends on a lot of things [22:50:37] i'm a business owner, not a coder, so please, educate me [22:50:45] mediawiki is mainly build for a site with *lots* of editors. [22:50:47] blur, if you have the right server setup, yes. But seriously, do you want things like page histories, user pages, etc.? Those are kind of hard to remove. [22:51:19] i don't mind spending the money, i just need a good option [22:51:43] it's going to hosted through peer 1, dedicated linux [22:51:43] there are lot of good options for writing traditional web authoring. [22:51:43] I suspect MediaWiki isn't your best, but I don't know much about any other web software outside of forum software. [22:52:15] *Duesentrieb uses mediawiki for his personal site simply because he doesn't want to bother with learning another system [22:52:16] do i even need a CMS? [22:52:26] blur: if you are the only editor, no. [22:52:26] Wikis are good if you are adding lots of internal links, makes it easy to do. [22:52:48] A somewhat marginal benefit. [22:52:54] Joomla is the CMS that I use on other sites that aren't wiki related, you might want to look at that one, it is open source [22:53:00] Dr_DBW: well, not having to deal with raw html is sure nice. but that doesn't mean you have to have a wiki [22:53:21] what do you recommend for me, from your professional opinion? [22:53:42] Sim, depends on your use/angle, I see that as a great benefit :-) [22:53:43] blur, most of us aren't qualified to give you a good opinion. We author wiki software, mostly, we don't run non-collaborative encyclopedias. [22:53:45] blur: you are asking in a zealot's denn for a balanced optinion:) [22:54:03] believe me, i've asked in many forums [22:54:04] Duesentrieb, we're mostly trying to dissuade him, not so much of a zealot's den. :P [22:54:09] blur: you are not going to get one... perhaps ask in a place where people that *use* such software hang around. people here *write* mediawiki. [22:54:12] i know your opinions may be skewed [22:54:30] i don't know what software that even is [22:54:34] do you see my dilema? [22:54:36] Simetrical: well, true - but then, i guess we all don't have so much experience with other systems - because we're zealots :) [22:54:48] blur: ask in #web? [22:54:49] blur, the problem isn't so much skewed as uninformed. Ask a lot of people who've run big non-collaborative CMS projects. We haven't. [22:54:59] blur: or... look on wikipedia? or ask google? [22:55:04] i know i know, too many options [22:55:12] not enough options [22:55:22] Duesentrieb, I think we tend to shoo people away from our software more than other open-source projects. Because MW's goal is really to be for Wikipedia. We don't care if people use MW or other wiki software. [22:55:32] true [22:55:34] Duesentrieb, whereas most OS software aims to be the best in its category. [22:55:45] simetrical says for me to find a better CMS, dues, you're saying i don't even need a CMS? [22:55:51] Simetrical: so do we - the question is how you define the category. [22:55:57] blur, have a look at http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix you can compare features of many of the CMS packages that are out there. [22:56:04] already have [22:56:10] Simetrical: "collaborative editing platform for a few million users, serving 30k requests/second" [22:56:17] it's a bit more difficult for someone who is not a coder [22:56:22] you take for granted knowledge you know as a coder [22:56:27] a business owner like myself doesn't [22:56:31] Duesentrieb, "best wiki software for Wikipedia to use" isn't a big enough category to admit more than about one piece of software as a contender. :) [22:56:40] blur: that's precisely why we are the wrong people to ask. [22:56:54] blur: if you want to know what is simple to use, don't ask coders :) [22:56:59] Duesentrieb, especially since no one else is bothering to compete. Not like Wikipedia's gonna switch to DokuWiki anytime soon. [22:57:05] that much i've learned [22:57:10] ok [22:57:18] where do you recommend i ask? #web? [22:57:32] blur: that'S a very general channel, but you can try. [22:57:40] i think it's mostly web designers there. [22:57:52] would the mysql room be any good [22:57:54] it's probably a better place to get an overview than here. [22:57:58] Maybe #cms? #joomla, #mambo? [22:58:01] considering i'm using a mysql db [22:58:09] blur: #mysql? no. why should it? [22:58:13] those are database freaks [22:58:16] you know what's funny [22:58:19] i just came from a cms room [22:58:27] and everyone said you need a wiki, go in the wiki room [22:58:37] i get in the wiki room, they all say go somewhere else [22:58:41] you need a wiki? if you are the only one who wants to edit? [22:58:43] that's silly [22:58:48] that's what i said [22:59:14] *Simetrical gives the CMS people a slap on the head [22:59:15] so the wiki guys says find a different cms [22:59:19] yeah, but doesn't everyone in this room use a Wiki for their own personal site? [22:59:20] the cms guys say use a wiki [22:59:31] *flyingparchment doesn't have a personal site [22:59:36] wikipedia uses a wiki [22:59:40] TimLaqua: sure - because i simply hack it into doing what i want :) [22:59:45] and i'd love to be like wikipedia without all the bells and whistles [22:59:46] flyingparchment, that's because you live here. [22:59:46] Well, one thing you can say is that MediaWiki will scale, if you set it up right. That can't be said for most Web software. [22:59:53] blur, look around at websites that are doing something like you want to do, then see what software they are using. [23:00:07] blur: "be like wikipedia" and "only i can edit" is a contradiction. wikipedia is a process, a community. [23:00:09] DBW: wikipedia is my favorite [23:00:12] Duesentrieb, for sure. I can't imagine running anything else. ;-) [23:00:26] TimLaqua, I use MediaWiki, but primarily vBulletin. (And it's not so much of a personal site, more of a decent-sized gaming site I administer.) [23:00:29] i like wikipedia for its ability to be fast under heavy traffic, and manage a large database [23:00:36] a lot of other software can't say that [23:00:41] true [23:00:47] but most sites don't need that, either [23:00:52] all i need is speed and reliability [23:00:53] wikipedia has a LOT of load. [23:00:59] blur, but you're going to have, what, tens of thousands of articles? Hundreds of thousands? That's not very large. [23:01:02] I swear MW gets slower under low load. ;-) [23:01:06] 10s of 1000's [23:01:19] blur, that's not a particularly large database unless you have revision histories like Wikipedia does. [23:01:29] TimLaqua, it really does seem to. I don't know why. :D [23:01:34] blur: otoh, wikipedia is highly dynamic. mediawiki is built to support that. if you only rarely change anything, a more static system will probably offer better performance at lower price. [23:01:40] Simetrical, makes me shed a tear. [23:01:45] blur: wikipedia uses ~ 200 servers [23:01:55] Duesentrieb, it was 300 last I heard. [23:02:05] Although that's the whole cluster, not just Wikipedia, I guess. [23:02:05] bah, i'm out of the loop :) [23:02:11] And they've been getting new ones. [23:02:11] what TYPE of software do i need to look for? [23:02:24] blur, CMS. Wiki is a sort of CMS, kind of. [23:02:26] what category would it fall under [23:02:35] so CMS it is then? [23:02:40] CMS is the broader sense. [23:02:43] that handles static pages [23:02:55] single-user cms, personal homepage kit thingy [23:03:00] i.e.? [23:03:01] i don't know a good name for it either :) [23:03:02] jadu? [23:03:04] mambo? [23:03:16] Does anyone have numbers on speed of file-cache vs store in the database cache? [23:03:21] i have never used any of them, so i can't tell you [23:03:21] joomla (which split off from mambo). [23:03:44] single-user cms, is that the technical term? [23:03:48] x99: depends on your view/edit ratio, disk speed, database setup, etc [23:04:03] blur: no, it's kind of a contradiction :) [23:04:05] I used Mambo until I said screw it, I don't need this for ~1 page, so I went to static HTML for the front page and a wiki for the non-forum content. [23:04:12] heya, is there a way to make a page with not capitalized name so "example" instead of "Example"? [23:04:14] blur: but it's also true, in a way [23:04:19] hmmm [23:04:30] Stylee, you need to set $wgCapitalLinks or something like that in LocalSettings.php. [23:04:39] I don't remember the exact setting name, Google it. [23:04:41] back to square 1 [23:04:54] Simetrical: thanks [23:05:06] duesen: so it's close enough that view/edit can bias? [23:05:58] are there any good CMS rooms? [23:06:01] x99: i have never tried it, but afaik, it's not so great if you have a lot of eits [23:06:28] x99: if the site is read-mostly, it should give you quite a bit of improvement, especially if the db is slow. [23:06:30] btw, I think i have found a bug -- when using non-hashed dirs for images and not using ImageMagick, thumbnails are not saved. [23:06:51] x99: file it. but why non-hashed? [23:07:01] 03(mod) format=jsonfm does not escape properly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11158 normal->minor; normal->lowest; +comment (10yuriastrakhan) [23:08:47] Duesentrieb: why am i used non-hashed? [23:09:35] dusentrieb: I have a squid farm out the front, but it seems to not cache enough [23:11:02] 03(mod) Configure additional import sources on Italian projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11171 (10zanni.andrea) [23:12:13] x99: how are squids related to unhashed file structure?... [23:18:31] Duesentrieb, you figure out that query thing from earlier? [23:26:22] Okay, so why is my wiki autodetecting PNGs as text/plain? [23:27:04] *Simetrical raises eyebrow [23:27:53] [simetrical@odin w]$ file -bi images/c/c5/Org.png [23:27:53] image/png [23:29:31] does anyone know a quick way to determine if the current user is an admin (inside of LocalSettings.php)? [23:29:40] Sean_Colombo, you have to check the database. [23:29:55] Sean_Colombo, that's generally not easy inside LocalSettings.php. [23:30:03] hrmm [23:30:06] (Of course it might be cached, if applicable.) [23:30:20] my goal here is just to make it so that the admins don't have to worry about the spam-filter [23:30:52] one of my admins proposed a solution, but that involved hacking EditPage.php (and I try to avoid that so that I can upgrade more easily) [23:32:24] Sean_Colombo, you could probably use an extension of a couple of lines. [23:32:50] At least I think. [23:32:54] Maybe that wouldn't work. [23:33:00] Hmm. [23:33:13] Wait a minute, your spam-filter doesn't allow you to exempt usergroups? [23:33:16] What are you using? [23:33:25] just $wgSpamRegex [23:33:32] it might allow me to exempt usergroups [23:33:39] I just don't know [23:35:00] http://mediawiki.pastebin.com/d5b7f7828 <-- i up'ed the logging and this is what it gives me, is there something there that i should know? [23:35:33] Oh, $wgSpamRegex doesn't, I think. [23:35:41] 03(NEW) allow limited wikicode rendering via api.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11173 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: API; (herd) [23:35:57] But you don't want to exempt usergroups from that. After all, if an admin adds the link, then anyone else who edits the page has to remove it if they want to save their edit. [23:35:57] Sean_Colombo: register a function to $wgExtensionFunctions, check the groups of wgUser, set wgSpamRegexp to fals if the user is an admin (or better, make up a special privilege, assigned it to sysops using wgGroupPermissions, and check for that right in your extension function) [23:36:17] Sean_Colombo: you can do all this right inside LocalSettings.php (although tzhat's a bit ugly) [23:36:54] Simetrical, Sean_Colombo: one way would be to disable if for protected pages [23:37:00] that would make more sense, imho [23:37:06] Duesentrieb, do you know why image type auto-detect might detect PNGs as text/plain? [23:37:31] 03(mod) All transcluded pages should be listed when editing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11172 (10danny_b) [23:37:36] jpeg works fine . . . [23:37:38] *Simetrical scowls [23:37:44] Simetrical: not exactly, but i know it can happen if a broken mime detector is used. [23:37:58] Simetrical: use an external detector [23:38:22] <_Danny_B_> TimLaqua: here? [23:40:23] Duesentrieb, ah, I thought it used file -bi by default. Thanks. [23:46:07] *mick_work would love to see what other people have for a config [23:50:04] _Danny_B_, what's up? [23:50:39] _Danny_B_, gonna REOPEN that bug? ;-) [23:52:07] <_Danny_B_> TimLaqua: thanks for fixing the new section summary. however i have one little concern. don't worry, it's just typo (if my suspect is even right) so: [23:53:59] <_Danny_B_> i think (not sure though) that whitespaces in messages are trimmed. so instead of message . "[[link]]" i think it would be better to have message. "13 [[link]]" [23:54:16] <_Danny_B_> (mind the space before link) [23:54:20] _Danny_B_, ;-) look at the last HEAD rev. ;-) [23:54:34] <_Danny_B_> o.o did you change it ? ;-) [23:54:37] yup [23:54:46] <_Danny_B_> nice. many thanks then [23:54:54] <_Danny_B_> does it work on testwiki yet? [23:55:06] also changed from wfMsg to wfMsgForContent (oversight on my part) [23:55:12] naa [23:55:51] testwiki is back at r25379