[00:00:27] <_Danny_B_> Simetrical: you wontfixed 11213 but it shouldn't be treated this way. see my comment. actually i think we already had a talk about that [00:02:56] <_Danny_B_> display:none is just a "workaround" which shouldn't be used when there's intention to really not have such item on page. that means it should not be in source at all [00:02:57] 03(NEW) multiple-namespace filtering - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11265 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (dannychia) [00:04:38] anyone can share with me the rewriterules for a simple subdomain (wiki installed in www/wiki, subdomain = wiki.example.com) [00:05:18] _Danny_B_, in some cases it's necessary to do it anyway, for instance to avoid cache fragmentation. Here I agree, I'm just not sure if it should be in the core software is all. [00:06:34] <_Danny_B_> i always hated the way showing/hiding of [edit] is treated. what is intended to not be there should really not be there... [00:07:53] <_Danny_B_> netquik: be more concrete - what link you get now änd how it should look according to your intention? [00:08:27] hi danny: the link is the same because of rewrite rules [00:08:52] http://wiki.tweakness.net/index.php?title=Pagina_principale&action=edit§ion=1 [00:09:55] <_Danny_B_> netquik: this is what you have now? [00:09:58] without the subdomain e redirect [00:10:01] http://tweakness.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pagina_principale&action=edit§ion=1 [00:10:05] yes [00:10:19] <_Danny_B_> and what would you like? [00:10:21] it is pointing to index.php [00:10:32] it shoud be pio [00:10:46] pointing tu Pagina_principale [00:10:51] <_Danny_B_> pio? [00:11:01] typo [00:11:18] a moment i enable editing [00:11:38] hey! I'm involved in Wikipedias in African languages, I set up the Wikipedia in Fulfulde 2 years ago, but now I realize that I should have asked to have the interface in French a long time before. Anyway, can someone change the default interface for ff.wikipedia.org into French? [00:11:57] http://wiki.tweakness.net/index.php?title=Pagina_principale&action=edit§ion=1 [00:12:01] <_Danny_B_> guaka: file a bug for it [00:12:31] Also, the interface of the Wolof Wikipedia has been translated for a large part, maybe it could be good to copy that work back into the MediaWiki translations [00:12:45] danny: can you see it? [00:13:02] <_Danny_B_> guaka: file another bug with patch [00:13:18] _Danny_B_, where do I file a bug? 2 months ago I asked this for the Wolof Wikipedia, here on this channel, and someone did it within 24 hours. [00:13:53] <_Danny_B_> !bugzilla | guaka [00:13:53] guaka: All bugs in the MediaWiki software should be reported at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate. [00:14:12] _Danny_B_, but this is not really a bug in the MediaWiki software, or is it? [00:14:17] It's not. [00:14:22] That message could use improvement. [00:14:33] But configuration change requests go there too. [00:14:39] Or, you could try your luck asking in #wikimedia-tech. [00:15:59] <_Danny_B_> it's not bug but could be hidden under request new features or enhancements. however, i'll improve the message [00:16:01] 03(mod) QT + XiphQT playback on OSX does not work. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11249 (10brion) [00:16:24] <_Danny_B_> good evening, brion ;-) [00:17:02] danny: can you suggest me anything to look to? i can't find a solution [00:19:06] praticcaly all the action links don't work [00:19:22] 03(NEW) Change default interface language into French - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11266 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (kasper.souren) [00:22:25] 14(INVALID) RSS XML BUG - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4580 +comment (10brion) [00:22:26] 03(mod) Change default interface language into French - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11266 +shell; +comment (10danny_b) [00:22:50] I use these rules in www/wiki [00:22:57] RewriteRule ^[^:]*\. - [L] [00:23:06] RewriteRule ^[^:]*\/ - [L] [00:23:16] RewriteRule ^/*$ /index.php?title=Pagina_principale [L,QSA] [00:23:22] RewriteRule ^(.+)$ /index.php?title=$1 [L,QSA] [00:23:24] 03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629 +comment (10l8qjvx002) [00:25:05] <_Danny_B_> netquik: i'm sorry but i still didn't get what is the desired link form. i maybe just missed it. [00:25:31] my problem is not generate a correct link [00:25:42] becuase the link seem correct [00:26:00] 03(mod) QT + XiphQT playback on OSX does not work. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11249 (10brion) [00:26:25] <_Danny_B_> why don't you put both on same line like "i need http://domain.tld/w/index.php?title=blahblah -> http://domain.tld/wiki/blahblah"? [00:26:25] but ' cant undestand why all action links are pointing to "index.php" page [00:26:38] <_Danny_B_> and where should they point to? [00:26:53] to the actula page fpr editing [00:26:54] <_Danny_B_> that's why you have title param in query [00:27:06] yes [00:27:12] <_Danny_B_> that is actual page for editing [00:27:18] <_Danny_B_> it says action=edit [00:27:27] yes [00:27:33] _Danny_B_, thanks for your help :) [00:27:35] 03(mod) Change default interface language into French - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11266 (10kasper.souren) [00:27:48] but instead of "Pagina_principale" i get "index.php" to edit [00:27:48] <_Danny_B_> guaka: welcome ;-) [00:27:57] <_Danny_B_> guaka: where are you from btw? [00:28:38] netquik: don't try to map the wiki pages into the root of your domain [00:28:42] <_Danny_B_> netquik: ahaaaa :-) didn't get it before [00:28:52] netquik: how is it supposed to know if you want the file or the page index.php? [00:29:16] uh? [00:29:16] netquik: read the docs on short url, and look at all the big fat warning boxes telling you NOT TO DO THAT [00:29:39] ^(.+)$ /index.php?title=$1 <---- BAD! [00:29:53] <_Danny_B_> netquik: extra short urls such as domain.tld/page are strongly discouraged because handling of it is pita [00:29:53] but it is a subdomain [00:30:23] so i have to create 2 subdirectory [00:30:29] netquik: it does not mappter. the FILES and the PAGES are in the same domain. they must somehow be kept apart. so, use a subdirectory for each. wikipedia has /w for files and /wiki for pages. do the same [00:30:32] or 2 subdomain [00:30:33] 03(mod) Regression - fullImageLink on image page for pdfs links to the image page, not the file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11264 summary; +comment (10brion) [00:30:52] Two subdomains breaks for things like robots.txt. [00:30:52] okay... [00:30:55] thanks [00:31:04] netquik: two subdomains could worj in theory. but i'm afraid the code relies on the assumption that they are in the same (sib)domain. you can try, though [00:31:33] i'will try alla again [00:31:46] only one question? [00:31:52] have i to [00:31:59] Simetrical: robots.txt is no huge problem - most things you want to exclude would be in the "file domain" anyway [00:32:00] reinstall wikimedia [00:32:07] no. [00:32:16] or can move the folders [00:32:33] just move them and adjust the pathes in LocalSettings.php [00:32:45] thank you very much [00:32:52] all of you [00:37:52] 03(mod) Change default interface language into French - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11266 (10EN.WP.ST47) [00:39:12] 03(mod) Change default interface language into French - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11266 +comment (10EN.WP.ST47) [00:40:22] 03(mod) Mark bot edits in histories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11181 (10brion) [00:40:23] <_Danny_B_> ST47: you just gave me the idea for another request [00:40:29] yay [00:40:39] I assure you, it was an accident [00:41:08] <_Danny_B_> :o) [00:44:05] _Danny_B_, originally from the South East of the Netherlands, but more or less living in Italy now (but actually in NYC at this very moment) [00:44:36] 03(mod) Check for MySQL storage engines during installation doesn' t check whether engine is actually available - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11242 +patch (10brion) [00:44:42] 03(mod) Check for MySQL storage engines during installation doesn' t check whether engine is actually available - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11242 +need-review (10brion) [00:45:45] 03simetrical * r25706 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/monobook/main.css): [00:45:45] Refactor Monobook CSS for headers a bit. Section edit links were showing up [00:45:45] with inconsistent sizes in Opera on Linux because of rounding errors. There [00:45:45] should be no changes other than increased consistency/preservation of original [00:45:45] intent. [00:45:56] 03(NEW) User should be able to set fallback language(s) in preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11267 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (danny_b) [00:46:04] <_Danny_B_> ST47: ^ [00:46:10] ah [00:46:11] ;) [00:46:16] Yes, they should ;) [00:46:39] not that I have the slightest idea how to do that [00:49:41] 03(mod) Truncation of audio files in Cortado - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 +comment (10brion) [00:49:42] 14(DUP) Cortado does not play very short vorbis files. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11247 +comment (10brion) [00:50:27] 03(mod) QT + XiphQT playback on OSX does not work. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11249 (10brion) [00:51:01] 03(mod) Change default interface language into French - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11266 -shell (10brion) [00:52:16] how do i use html codes on the wiki page for donations.. [00:57:22] 03(mod) Mailing lists archive indexes should be updated - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11227 (10danny_b) [00:58:05] hello anybody? [00:59:03] Enrit, you can use most HTML by just typing it in. [00:59:18] im trying to use a paypal thing and it wont hmm one sec lemme try something else [00:59:24] You cannot, however, use forms, or some other things, in the wiki pages themselves, unless you enable the appropriate configuration option. [00:59:45] Note that enabling the raw HTML option will allow anyone to inject arbitrary scripts or other extremely harmful material into your pages. [00:59:51] It is not recommended unless all editors are trusted. [01:00:41] is there a way to set it up so only i (admins) can do it? [01:03:08] Not really. [01:03:19] At least not without installing an extension or modifying the core code. [01:04:15] o ok [01:07:05] 03(NEW) Change the unordered lists to ordered - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11268 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b) [01:07:38] 03(mod) Special: Whatlinkshere should give total number of pages at the top - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11228 +comment (10danny_b) [01:08:54] it wont let me create a image that when u click leads to url.. [01:09:01] like in html it doesnt read it [01:09:35] There is currently no clean functionality to make an image link anywhere but the image page, for historical reasons. [01:09:46] You can use the Imagemap extension as a workaround if you like. [01:13:18] 03simetrical * r25707 10/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php: Oops, we shouldn't have h1.firstHeading display at normal text size . . . [01:14:36] 03(NEW) Improve special pages pagination - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11269 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b) [01:17:13] 03(mod) Improve special pages pagination - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11269 (10danny_b) [01:17:56] <_Danny_B_> brion: there's coffee'n'cookies at the kitchen ready for you... [01:26:48] 03(mod) Update the SiteMatrix to show all existing wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11241 summary; +comment (10danny_b) [01:30:47] 03skierpage * r25708 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Towards bug 9748: print message if a special property. [01:31:21] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_delete_a_user_from_my_list_of_users.3F [01:31:26] is that up to date? [01:35:19] Simetrical: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMjaR5QTz3w [01:35:41] I don't know what to say... [01:37:19] VoiceOfAll, I never click those links unless you give a description and it sounds interesting. [01:37:54] I've never heard the word 'scarejew' before [01:48:57] 03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [01:51:15] Is there anything in the standard mediawiki that can block users from editing based on their reverse hostname. Like if I want to block *.cable.rcn.com, is that possible. Or do I need some extension? [01:53:37] 03rotem * r25709 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [01:53:37] (bug 5387) Block log items on RecentChanges don't make use of possible translations: [01:53:37] * Removing span from Language::translateBlockExpiry. [01:53:37] * Adding span conditionally in LogPage::actionText, and using appropriate language (interface and content). [01:53:37] * Removing translate parameter from LogPage::actionText: no longer needed, always translate. [01:55:56] 03(NEW) Make section edit links more usable/understandable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11270 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (Simetrical+wikibugs) [01:58:33] 03(FIXED) Block log items on RecentChanges don' t make use of possible translations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5387 -need-review -patch ; +comment (10rotemliss_public) [02:11:32] 03tstarling * r25710 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (OggHandler.i18n.php OggHandler_body.php OggPlayer.js): [02:11:32] * Added direct detection of the XiphQT plugin, after the main QuickTime object is created. [02:11:32] * Added support for QuickTime under ActiveX, and fixed detection under Opera and Safari/Win [02:11:32] * Link to a jump page on mediawiki.org instead of telling the user to download Java only [02:11:32] * Rewrote cookie-handling code. Set cookie expiry to 1 week. Still doesn't work on Safari/Win though. [02:15:40] <_Danny_B_> Simetrical: got screenshot of your patch? [02:16:10] _Danny_B_, hmm, give me a minute. [02:17:32] _Danny_B_, http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=headersjr5.png [02:18:11] you know, you can use the OggHandler extension without ffmpeg, you just don't get any thumbnails [02:18:37] so if you all wanted to test those changes I just committed, it wouldn't be that hard... [02:19:13] maybe I should get vmware working somehow and just test it on every browser myself [02:19:27] <_Danny_B_> Simetrical: uh, is it suppose to stay on far right still? [02:19:46] _Danny_B_, that was Brion's suggestion. The title then became misleading, yes. [02:20:31] <_Danny_B_> the title wouldn't be misleading if edit button with down arrow have been above the header [02:21:01] <_Danny_B_> this is not a big progress for h3+ [02:21:55] _Danny_B_, perhaps not. Brion's sketch had extra little "wings" for lower-level headings, so you hopefully sort of got the idea. [02:21:59] <_Danny_B_> and since it's on right i expect there still will remain problems with grouping of editlinks [02:22:05] No, there won't. [02:22:18] The underlying CSS is totally different, these won't interfere with floats. [02:22:26] It uses absolute positioning. [02:22:38] <_Danny_B_> right:0 ? [02:22:43] Almost. [02:22:52] bottom: 0; right: 0.5em; I think. [02:24:28] <_Danny_B_> i see. i was trying stuff like that but iirc it did not work when floating box such as img thumb was on right. it covered the editlink. but maybe you find the good combination of rules to fix it [02:24:59] Hmm, I didn't actually test that, since you mention it. [02:25:01] *Simetrical frowns [02:25:02] <_Danny_B_> try to put image thumb on right of your example at the very beginning of the page [02:25:08] *Simetrical tries it [02:25:30] <_Danny_B_> i am pretty sure it won't work [02:25:46] <_Danny_B_> but as i said you might have found some golden combination [02:26:32] Damn. [02:26:35] Yeah, it floats behind it. [02:26:38] *Simetrical scowls [02:28:17] <_Danny_B_> honestly: i've been playing with it for about half a year trying to find the best solution. all workable solutions had pros and cons and after weighing all of them the winner (we say one-eye man in between blind men) was the solution i introduced somewhere [02:29:00] <_Danny_B_> i think there's link in thread, let me take a look [02:29:54] <_Danny_B_> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Danny_B./Edit_links_comparsion [02:31:06] <_Danny_B_> i've consulted it with couple webdesigners and also accessibility consultant. they all pretty much agreed saying the text should either contain down arrow or text edit the following section or both [02:31:50] <_Danny_B_> it is actually logical, since when you press edit button, you actually can edit section header as well [02:32:07] 03(mod) Make section edit links more usable/understandable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11270 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:33:08] <_Danny_B_> so if the [edit] was a bit smaller and the above space maybe little more higher, it would be working solution. plus it would solve the 0th section editlink eternal request [02:36:37] 03rotem * r25711 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler.i18n.php: Update for he. [02:36:41] 03(mod) OggHandler Safari support - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11249 summary; +comment (10tstarling) [02:38:36] _Danny_B_, so wait, which one do you like from your example page? [02:40:13] <_Danny_B_> the last. but wait a min, i'm working on tweaked version [02:41:40] I need some help [02:41:56] ROAR [02:42:19] Is there someone who can install MediaWiki for me? [02:42:40] well, we won't do it for you [02:42:47] what are you having trouble with? [02:43:21] everything, it won't even show up in my cpanel, (I use freehostia) [02:43:35] well, have you downloaded it? [02:43:47] yes, and it is on my computer [02:44:00] You need to upload it via FTP. [02:44:02] have you uploaded it to your hosting site? [02:44:29] I did, but it doesn't show up [02:44:46] does it show up in your ftp client? [02:44:57] yes, just not my hosting site [02:45:09] uploading it to the right site? [02:45:12] refreshed your window? [02:45:16] yes [02:45:26] looking in the right place? [02:45:34] yes [02:45:49] try browsing to where you uploaded it to in your web browser [02:45:59] hold on [02:47:44] I have mediawiki-1.6.10.tar..... could it be, my host doesn't allow .tar files? [02:48:06] possibly. Try untarring and uploading the extracted files. [02:48:16] I do I untar? [02:48:35] winzip? [02:49:12] I usually unzip files by right clicking, I don't think I have winzip [02:49:15] marcus11, if you don't have shell access, you need to untar it before you upload it. .tar is like .zip. [02:49:19] 03(mod) OggHandler Safari support - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11249 (10tstarling) [02:49:38] marcus11, if you can't open the .tar file on your computer, try looking on the Internet for programs that can, e.g., WinRAR. [02:49:55] ok, I will look [02:51:42] ok, my MediaWiki looks like books [02:52:17] it's extracted [02:52:41] I will upload that [02:55:28] how many files are there (aprox)? [02:55:35] Simetrical: point taken on wikitech-l, making the change now (if it hasn't been done already) [02:58:58] or how many mb's? I am at about 7.57 [02:59:47] howdy all. [03:01:24] 03werdna * r25712 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: [03:01:24] * Partial revert of r25680 (The bit that allowed people to provide a null $user and substitute it for $wgUser -- which didn't work anyway) [03:01:24] * Minor bug, pointed out by Simetrical, in currently unused edge cases where $user passed to getUserPermissionsErrors is not $wgUser, and $user is blocked. [03:01:50] <_Danny_B_> Simetrical: check the last one on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Danny_B./Edit_links_comparsion - it's still not the best, since i'm limited by current behavior. I'd need to set up some fake page to display it 100% correctly [03:06:08] <_Danny_B_> it would solve the 0th section editlink as well - the editlink div would be simply added at the beginning of content div if the content didn't start with header [03:06:57] Honestly, I'm sorry, but I have to say I find that ugly. [03:07:04] <_Danny_B_> np ;-) [03:07:08] <_Danny_B_> i'm used to [03:07:17] <_Danny_B_> it's just a question of habit [03:07:25] Triangles instead of brackets is, I think, a nice effect. [03:07:41] <_Danny_B_> and as we say, habit is iron shirt [03:07:43] I like the last one. [03:07:51] the triangles one [03:07:58] oh, that's what Simetrical said. [03:08:00] chat-de-plafond, you like it above the header text? [03:08:06] Or just the triangles? [03:08:08] <_Danny_B_> doesn't have to be triangles, could be down arrow. but triangles are more visible [03:08:12] The triangles are nice. Prettier than arrows. [03:09:00] <_Danny_B_> Simetrical: mind the important fact that being above it directly says you can edit even the header text [03:09:10] Simetrical: what do you mean above the header text? [03:09:11] I realize, but still. [03:09:20] chat-de-plafond, er, as opposed to next to it? [03:09:29] oh [03:10:07] <_Danny_B_> another important advantage is that you can copy the section text with header together WITHOUT stupid editlink in between header and text [03:10:19] *chat-de-plafond ponders... it'd have to be on the left - I wouldn't like to have them out of line. [03:10:23] it would be quite ugly. [03:10:23] <_Danny_B_> and many other advantages [03:11:29] <_Danny_B_> such as 0th section link, removing of senseless paragraph before the header [03:11:33] _Danny_B_, marginal benefit. It happens with, e.g., current markup too, but it doesn't really help if you're copying multiple sections in any case. [03:11:44] It uses too much vertical space and just doesn't look good. [03:12:23] <_Danny_B_> well, as i said, i'm limited with the mw behavior i'd need to set up fake page to tweak it maximally [03:12:56] <_Danny_B_> especially those margins you mentioned [03:13:09] <_Danny_B_> they can be adjusted for sure [03:13:24] <_Danny_B_> this is just demo of the principle, not the final solution [03:14:03] <_Danny_B_> also mind that i removed editlink from header tag where it is not supposed to be at all [03:14:40] Yes, it shouldn't, although moving it will break tons of scripts. [03:14:51] Still, if a change is required anyway, may as well fix the whole thing. [03:15:42] <_Danny_B_> another advantage: very simple enabling/disabling of editlinks now -just either render the text in (v edit v) or not [03:15:56] Same as currently. [03:16:01] <_Danny_B_> no [03:16:03] <_Danny_B_> so no need to stupid css hiding [03:16:23] <_Danny_B_> currently it's hidden by css which is improper way [03:16:32] How would this help? [03:16:45] As a user preference, by the way, it has to be hidden by CSS to avoid cache fragmentation. [03:17:05] <_Danny_B_> aaa :-/ [03:17:45] <_Danny_B_> well, then i'd rather suggest js adding of those links instead. they are not suppose to be there if user set so [03:18:04] Relying on JS is even worse. [03:18:51] <_Danny_B_> depends on from whose point of view [03:19:25] <_Danny_B_> but ok, i backup with this issue in favor of css hiding [03:19:44] For per-page hiding it's true that we should hide the HTML itself, since cache fragmentation isn't relevant. [03:20:33] <_Danny_B_> i'm not familiar with how caching on wmf server works, so i rely on you and i trust you... ;-) [03:21:03] define: cache fragmentation [03:21:23] chat-de-plafond, having to maintain more caches than necessary to account for different user preferences. [03:21:42] Specifically, I assume, parser caches. AFAIK, we keep a distinct parser cache for every permutation of preferences that affects them. [03:21:53] .. hang on, parser cache is per-user, I thought? [03:22:10] No, otherwise we'd be fine with stuff like {{USERNAME}}. [03:22:10] <_Danny_B_> Simetrical: well, what are the disadvantages you found? i honestly remember only the space issue which can be adjusted. any other? [03:22:18] _Danny_B_, it looks ugly. [03:22:25] <_Danny_B_> that's pov [03:22:29] Correct. [03:22:31] <_Danny_B_> not an argument [03:22:56] Sure it is, just not one that invites much response. [03:23:18] Regardless, it's just as relevant as anything. We don't want the software to look bad. [03:23:59] I am tearing my hair out with the Parser class [03:24:11] sour-, you aren't the only one. [03:24:33] *Simetrical begins an attack on its castle with pitchforks and torches [03:24:38] <_Danny_B_> well, i'm not going to continue on prettyness/ugliness wave since this would be endless talk. it's totally personal and almost unmeasureable thing [03:25:12] 03(mod) Button which is the same size as the player it covers is bad for some use cases . Player button causes linebreaks. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11250 (10gmaxwell) [03:25:19] all i want is wikimedia markup -> HTML, i've spent over 6 hours on it [03:25:38] sour-, yes, it seriously sucks that way. [03:25:40] We hate it too. [03:26:21] <_Danny_B_> but if you count all advantages, i think they richly overbalance the subjective ugliness [03:26:44] I had to touch parser once, for cascading protection. [03:26:46] nearly killed me. [03:27:30] <_Danny_B_> yep, you look semi-killed ;-) [03:27:35] http://rafb.net/p/6jlZuL93.html [03:28:18] that is what i have now, it returns an object with no mtext, anyone here got more experience in this? [03:28:37] ele.txt is the elephant wikimedia markup [03:33:04] <_Danny_B_> Simetrical: so how is it with the caching? would or would not be possible to remove it from xhtml source? i'm a bit confused since you said two pretty opposite things before and i'm not sure which to choose as correct... [03:33:30] _Danny_B_, for user preferences we avoid changing XHTML wherever possible, for caching reasons. [03:33:47] For things other than user preferences it could be done, generally. [03:40:14] i might just getafreelancer or rentacoder from india, let them work it out [03:41:13] <_Danny_B_> work what out? [03:41:53] i am attempting to convert wikimedia markup to HTML [03:44:38] 03(mod) Button which is the same size as the player it covers is bad for some use cases . Player button causes linebreaks. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11250 (10tstarling) [04:08:27] Hmm, what could be wrong? http://www.wikicodexartium.org/wiki/Lausekkeet_ja_yht%C3%A4l%C3%B6t_%28MAB1%29 [04:09:09] I chmodded 777 for Math.php. Didn't work. [04:24:39] Erkkimon_: what does the message mean? [04:29:37] chat-de-plafond: "Parsing failed (Unknown error): \sin x + \ln y +\operatorname{sgn} z [04:30:44] I guess that the warning in the background is more informative? "Warning: _shell exec() [function shell exec]. Permission Denied in /home/wikicode/public_html/include/Math.php on line 71." [04:32:04] the problem is not permission on Math.php [04:33:19] it's permission on whatever $wgTexvc points to [04:33:19] Hmm, what then? :O [04:33:31] Sorry, I was slow. [04:34:18] have you set up texvc properly? [04:34:49] chat-de-plafond: I guess and hope so. [04:35:20] chat-de-plafond: I have followed the instructions. I have found out that many people have had problems with LaTeX but I haven't found any help with Google. :< [04:35:36] ah. well the problem is that your tex executable is not, in fact, executable by the web server [04:35:37] chat-de-plafond: But it _should_ work now, but it doesn't as u c. ;) [04:35:49] chat-de-plafond: Ah, okay. [04:36:05] chat-de-plafond: So should I chmod my texvc executable? [04:36:22] yes [04:36:54] chat-de-plafond: Thanks man. I'll try. [04:40:39] -rwxrwxrwx 1 wikicode wikicode 485672 Aug 27 22:41 texvc* [04:40:57] It seems to already have 777 permissions... :O [04:42:54] hmm [04:44:02] Erkkimon_: do you have safemode on? [04:45:54] chat-de-plafond: On the server? [04:46:09] yeah [04:46:12] php.ini [04:47:12] chat-de-plafond: I dunno. The server isn't mine so I can't tap into the php.ini. [04:48:27] *Erkkimon_ is trying to find it out... [04:48:39] Erkkimon_: add a php file somewhere, and view it with [04:49:36] chat-de-plafond: Okay. [04:51:09] string(0) "" [04:51:37] dod. [04:51:39] odd* [04:51:59] s/safe_mode/safe_mode_exec_dir/g [04:52:53] chat-de-plafond: What? What do I do with the location u gave? [04:52:56] how do i set mediawiki so that 1. only registered users can edit it, and 2. new user signups are limited [04:53:33] have a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [04:54:07] Erkkimon_: replace safe_mode with safe_mode_exec_dir [04:54:50] chat-de-plafond: I'm sorry. Where should I replace it? Where is the file "safe_mode" to be replaced? [04:55:25] in the php file I just showed you [04:55:35] Oo, okay. [04:56:32] wikicode@server11 [~/public_html/own_temp]# php tsekkaus.php [04:56:33] string(0) "" [04:57:43] hm [04:57:49] try running the texvc executable. [04:58:34] from commandline [04:59:49] Okay. [05:00:21] wikicode@server11 [~/public_html/math]# ./texvc [05:00:21] ./texvc: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./texvc) [05:00:36] This might be the problem. [05:00:39] indeed! [05:01:29] So I must contact my service provider. [05:02:10] chat-de-plafond: Thank you for help. I hope that this was the last problem with LaTeX. :) [05:03:41] 03(mod) perhaps add "Pages using the special property Xxx" section to special property pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9748 +comment (10info) [05:12:34] where do i configure the email address that mediawiki sends emails from? [05:13:38] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEmergencyContact and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgPasswordSender [05:15:21] can i set it to something like DO_NOT_REPLY@myhostname.whatever.com [05:15:34] or does it need to be repliable? [05:28:23] 03werdna * r25713 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): [05:28:23] * (bug 11211) Pass, as a parameter to the protectedpagetext interface message, the level of protection. [05:28:23] Note that this is AFTER 'sysop' is rewritten to 'protect', so the parameter passed for full-protected pages on wikimedia projects will be 'protect', not 'sysop'. [05:30:05] whee [05:30:06] 03(FIXED) Distinguish between full protection and semi-protection - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11211 +comment (10Andrew) [05:30:36] k-man_: It's your choice. I c no reason to set a repliable email address there. [05:33:00] morning [05:33:25] Morning. [05:41:15] 03(FIXED) Title->userCan( 'edit' ) may return false positive - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10332 +comment (10Andrew) [05:45:38] where should I store my logo for mediawiki? (which directory? does it matter?) [05:46:05] no, doesn't matter [05:46:21] just point $wgLogo to the right url [05:47:08] ah, its a url not a file path? [05:47:59] of course [05:48:26] yeah [05:48:34] sorry, makes sense, I just didn't think about it [05:54:51] what size should the logo image be? or can you get mediawiki to scale the image? (currently its cropping) [05:58:58] I'd like to add one button to the editor toolbar, where can I find info/documentation about this? =) [06:00:58] 03werdna * r25714 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUserlogin.php): * (bug 9611) Supply the blocker and reason for the cantcreateaccounttext message. [06:01:16] 03(FIXED) Accessing blocking reason/admin at MediaWiki: Cantcreateaccounttext - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 +comment (10Andrew) [06:02:11] Quakeile: What do u mean with editor toolbar? Things like bolding? [06:04:37] yes exactly Erkkimon_ [06:09:37] Hi all [06:10:21] can someone explain to me, how to make an article not show it's h1 header name? - Like on mediawiki's [[Main_page]] [06:13:34] in Common.css: .page-Main_Page .firstHeading { display: none; } [06:17:33] did that work? [06:18:55] I am kind of asking for someone else, but it seems (looking at the source of the page) that it should work [06:19:44] Thanks for the hint. I thought there would be some template-way to fix it though [06:20:21] %s/template/internal/ [06:24:08] there is [06:24:16] but there's no point doing it that way when CSS will suffice. [06:25:32] Using css is an external solution to a problem in the wiki, internal should be more clean. Also otherwise only the persons with file-access can change it. [06:26:28] CSS can be edited in the wiki [06:26:40] [[Mediawiki:monobook.css]] [06:26:46] Someone asked the same question, but got some javascript answer. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_talk:Main_page [06:27:11] yeah, enwiki uses javascript for that. beats me why. [06:27:48] 03werdna * r25715 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ProtectionForm.php: [06:27:48] * Ensure, on the server side, that cascading protection cannot be applied to anything but full protection, so as to prevent people from using semi-cascade-protected pages to protect arbitrary pages. [06:27:48] * Fix a bug in the previous javascript implementation of this behaviour (protection is per-right, not per-group!) [06:28:33] 03(WONTFIX) Allow cascading protections for non-full protection - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8658 +comment (10Andrew) [06:29:47] mm, WONTFIX [06:29:53] my favourite resolution [06:30:05] you get to resolve bugs without doing anything. [06:30:17] I like "INVALID". [06:30:33] chat-de-plafond: It did work, thanks! [06:31:08] heh [06:37:53] "No fair. You changed the outcome by measuring it." [06:44:02] *chat-de-plafond measures amidaniel [06:44:03] not big. [06:44:53] *chat-de-plafond goes off to study. [06:49:53] ug [06:50:25] *amidaniel begins to develop penis envy [06:50:28] 03aaron * r25716 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: *lower limit [06:50:34] ... [06:50:55] ? [06:50:59] amidaniel: wtf? [06:51:11] 00:44 * chat-de-plafond measures amidaniel [06:51:11] 00:44 < chat-de-plafond> not big. [06:51:46] penis envy? a new extension? [06:52:08] :o [06:52:11] hi Raymond_ [06:52:15] heh :) [06:52:57] btw: goood morning all :) [06:53:11] Raymond_: Hi [06:53:24] good evening, Raymond_ [06:53:52] amidaniel: evening? where do you live? [06:54:24] Extension:PenisEnvy - measures each user every day and assigns karma to an aggregate of length and other...related...abilities [06:54:48] Can MediaWiki also be used as a blog? or should I just install WordPress and maintain two pieces of software? [06:54:49] Raymond_: Clearly about 6-8 timezones west of you :) [06:55:03] study is overrated. [06:55:26] VoiceOfAll: ooh .. this could be a fun psych experiment [06:55:29] oh noes, VoiceOfAll broke my commit record [06:55:33] 5 commits in a row. [06:55:42] A correlation between grammatical style and penis length ;) [06:55:57] yeah, I enjoy breaking commit streams [06:55:58] mboman: It *can* be used as a blog .. but that's not it's intended application [06:56:04] *chat-de-plafond stabs VoiceOfAll [06:56:21] my first commits in about a month, too [06:57:35] amidaniel: so better get WordPress and stick it under '/blog/' then.. [06:58:14] Can I automatically poll latest headlines from WordPress RSS and desplay them on the Main Page? [06:58:32] I believe there is an extension that does that [06:58:42] mboman: Sure, can be done pretty easily with some simple js [06:58:54] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:RSS_Extensions [06:59:01] google rss site:mediawiki.org [06:59:08] 03siebrand * r25717 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesBcl.php MessagesSah.php): [06:59:08] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [06:59:08] * bcl, sah [07:01:52] oh noes [07:01:59] more commit-stream breaking [07:02:00] bastards! [07:02:12] *chat-de-plafond finds another bug to fix [07:02:48] fix it. now! [07:02:54] which one [07:02:57] bug 7? :P [07:03:39] *Raymond_ looks for 7 [07:03:50] *Raymond_ hides [07:08:04] 14(WFM) Disable CAPTCHA for bot flagged accounts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11078 +comment (10Andrew) [07:10:15] hi all [07:10:19] yessss? [07:10:40] I can't figure out how to make a table column green or red.. Do i just add color="green" to the td tag ? [07:10:56] style="background-color: green;" [07:12:43] 03(WONTFIX) "redo" buttons, like the "undo" buttons, to re-revert good edits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11012 +comment (10Andrew) [07:26:54] thanks chat-de-plafond [07:26:55] 14(WFM) Auto-login fails after password reset - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10861 +comment (10Andrew) [07:29:31] 03siebrand * r25718 10/trunk/extensions/ (21 files in 21 dirs): [07:29:31] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [07:29:31] * Fixes and additions to extensions for bcl, hsb, sah. [07:31:06] 14(WFM) [wish] a username different to the display name - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7941 +comment (10Andrew) [07:37:01] hello. If i would like to have a link to a file on my computer, how do i write the link. if i use file:// ... that ist not working. and http:// leads me into outer space. Is ther a possibility. Thanks. Dude [07:43:19] 03(mod) Metadata (interwiki & category links) should be stored outside the article text - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167 (10lapsap7+mwiki) [07:45:31]