[00:05:11] On "Release_notes", does (bug ___) before new feature listed mean the bug is fixed, or is still pending? [00:10:21] Also, I'm not certain if my hostserver has PHP 5.1.x or 5.2.x. If upgrading and these aren't available, can the install be aborted without losing anything? [00:10:58] Hello, could someone help me, I want to partially-integrate 2 wikis, if anyone has an idea, or wants to know more, please Private Message me. [00:11:29] thought so -.- [00:25:18] Do I have to edit a file to disable anonymous contributions. [00:26:43] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [00:28:27] In particular (after reading the explanation of how to set user rights), http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights#Anonymous_users_cannot_edit [00:30:57] so I add the two lines to LocalDestting.php? [00:33:41] I'm sure I'll be fine nwp. Thanks [00:37:15] 14(INVALID) Addedwatchtext bug with namespace:Image - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11299 +comment (10steinninn) [00:41:26] 03(NEW) Removal of access in local Recent changes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11316 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (steinninn) [00:44:40] 03(NEW) close upload at iswikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11317 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (steinninn) [00:58:06] 03(NEW) close upload at iswikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11318 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (steinninn) [00:59:30] 03(mod) sitemap-index doesn't include full location path - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9675 +comment (10alxndr) [01:06:32] Hi. [01:06:40] im not sure if this is the right place to ask [01:06:52] but no links seem to be working at [[mediawiki:Badaccess-group1]] [01:06:58] anyone know why [01:08:49] hello all [01:10:30] I'm looking for 'progress bar' widget for mediawiki, something that takes a parameter 'xx%' and renders a progress bar, xx% filled [01:21:39] hello [01:24:15] hi [01:31:53] Is there a quick way to see if an article is a redirect, given a Title objet? [01:38:10] ...or an article ID? [01:42:19] not that I know of [01:44:29] varange: Do you understand mediawiki system messages? [01:44:39] not much, no [01:51:39] alxndr: I think so, have a look in the code [01:51:45] Article::is_redirect or something [01:52:23] that sounds about right... I had just started looking through Article.php, I was going through Title.php and didn't find anything [01:52:29] varange: I'm wondering why Badaccess-group1 dosn't show any links [01:52:52] I write [[Wikipedia:Sysop]] and it doesn't turn into a link [01:56:51] werdna: Article::isRedirect() takes a string, apparently of the article text, so am I right that I'm gonna have to create an Article out of the Title object and then test it? [01:58:13] alxndr: hmm, shouldn't.. [01:58:14] *werdna greps code. [02:21:36] werdna, found a way, albeit a bit roundabout, and I don't know if it's unnecessarily server-heavy... $articleobj = new Article(&$titleobj); if ($articleobj->followRedirect()) { ... } [02:23:04] (well i guess i should be using $articleobj->isRedirect() ) [02:33:18] the answer appears to be yes, it is rather server-heavy [02:49:54] 03(NEW) generateSitemaps treats redirects as content pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11319 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (alxndr) [03:06:32] 03(mod) generateSitemaps treats redirects as content pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11319 (10alxndr) [03:21:21] so i remember reading some time ago that not a single wysiwyg extension is useful [03:21:36] that seemed to be the consensus here [03:22:27] but what about this one? it may not be an extension but it seems good enough for wikipedia to use: [03:22:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MarkS/Extra_edit_buttons [03:44:27] Anyone here have experience with one of the many user permissions extensions? [04:26:17] Hi [05:02:26] 03(NEW) generateSitemaps creates URLs with two slashes after domain - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11320 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (alxndr) [05:07:36] good morning [05:09:02] hi, i just copied Template:Infobox Person and all its dependencies to my persoanal wiki and i have a little problema [05:09:12] how do i create new groups? [05:09:18] i have searched all over the documentation [05:10:26] the code being generated for the infobox Person is using </tr> instead of [05:10:36] where could i fix this? [05:11:16] hello [05:12:24] how i can make limit for text example: 400 strings, move to next page? [05:13:33] 03(mod) RSS XML BUG - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4580 (10onekopaka) [05:18:04] the code being generated for the infobox Person is using </tr> instead of [05:18:14] the code being generated for the infobox Person is using </tr> instead of , anyone can help-me? [05:20:09] I can tell you why, but I can't help you. [05:21:05] newcar: Is this on Wikipedia, or on another wiki? [05:30:29] zzxc [05:30:42] zzxc: the other channel =) [05:31:07] Yes, I tried to talk to you here before I talked to you in #wikipedia. [05:31:32] Software discussion is technically supposed to be here. (#wikipedia is for help with Wikipedia only, not with the Mediawiki software on your own site) [05:31:47] right, no problem [05:33:21] zzxc: the problem of using the svn/trunk version is the database management right? [05:33:52] how can i control the database updates? (im new to wikimedia) [05:34:08] trunk will always be better than versions - it's just more of a hassle to set up. [05:35:26] yeah, but im worried about the database part, how to keep it up to date using the trunk? there is a regular .sql updater? [05:35:26] newcar: I don't know what you mean about controlling database management rights. Mediawiki will handle this when you give it access to your database. [05:36:01] i dont mean the rights, i mean the structure of it [05:36:39] Mediawiki will take care of that. [05:37:11] update [05:38:21] i see, every time i do a svn update i run the update.php script? [05:39:21] yes [05:39:41] right, so ill try this tomorrow, thx for the info [05:39:52] gotta go to bad, good night [06:46:58] Hi every one [06:47:07] i wan some help [06:47:31] 101 [06:47:45] regarding wikipedia dump [06:48:29] 03(mod) generateSitemaps treats redirects as content pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11319 (10alxndr) [07:13:40] 03(FIXED) Deleted images can still be deleted. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6290 -need-review ; +comment (10raimond.spekking) [07:14:59] <_wooz> lo [07:25:50] 03(mod) Please set the "title" property for the image on an image description page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5416 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [08:02:28] How do i link to a local image i found that [Billede: http://url.jpg] works but cant link to my own dir >.< [08:16:15] hi [08:28:26] 03(NEW) Gallerybox too wide with option "widths=800" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11321 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (raimond.spekking) [08:31:27] 03raymond * r25822 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ImageGallery.php): [08:31:27] * (bug 11321) Fix width of gallerybox when option "width=xxx" is used [08:31:27] See the screenshots before/after attached to the bug. [08:32:58] 03(FIXED) Gallerybox too wide with option "widths=800" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11321 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [08:34:07] 03(mod) Gallerybox too wide with option "widths=800" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11321 (10raimond.spekking) [08:51:25] 03raymond * r25823 10/trunk/phase3/includes/FileDeleteForm.php: [08:51:25] * Add name/id to submit button, per request of de.wp [08:51:25] * kill whitespaces [08:55:06] How do I disable unidentified (not logged in) users from editing the wiki? [08:56:23] SlimG: read the FAQ, see topic :) [08:56:50] oh, really sorry, my bad [08:57:11] np [09:04:11] 03(NEW) Please allow correct alphabetic order in Categories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11322 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (a9502784) [09:07:52] 03david * r25824 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (3 files in 2 dirs): a bit more work on watches [09:12:45] hm... i'm looking at the template-parameters-in-tag-hook issue again. Parser::ReplaceVariables looks good, and works for magic words and substituting templates, but not for subsituting template parameters. apparently, mArgStack does not contain the template parameters at the time the hook is called. [09:13:16] Is there a way to work around this without hacking the parser? I had a quick look at Bug 2257, but it mainly confuses me. [09:20:42] 14(DUP) Please allow correct alphabetic order in Categories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11322 +comment (10shinjiman) [09:20:43] 03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164 +comment (10shinjiman) [09:49:18] hey [09:53:36] hi! I'd like to download some articles from a mediawiki for offline reading. The problem is that wget -k -l0 -r go's to deep. I only whant the article and with images. [10:23:58] 03daniel * r25825 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/ (CategoryTree.php README): support parser-function syntax [10:27:40] 03(mod) Warning: Cannot modify header information - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11272 normal->highest; +comment (10ekompute) [11:18:32] 04(REOPENED) Addedwatchtext bug with namespace:Image - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11299 +comment (10robchur) [11:26:16] 14(DUP) Add Special: page for administering the Interwiki table - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8769 +comment (10robchur) [11:26:19] 03(mod) Special page to edit interwiki table - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 +comment (10robchur) [11:26:39] 03(FIXED) Show log fragments for the target user - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9315 +comment (10robchur) [11:27:52] ooh, rob's online [11:28:57] 14(DUP) Removal of access in local Recent changes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11316 +comment (10robchur) [11:28:59] 03(mod) farm / meta activities / logs should be duplicated at related wiki's - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4055 +comment (10robchur) [11:34:05] 06(LATER) Extension does not work properly when used in [[MediaWiki: Sitenotice]] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7590 +comment (10daniel) [11:35:45] 03(WONTFIX) Bolding causes CategoryTree to not render - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7205 +comment (10daniel) [11:57:39] Hi is there any way to set a global password for access to the contect in mediawiki? For example before the page loads you need to enter a username and password, essentially making the wiki private. [11:58:25] Secron: read the faq, look for "preventing access" [11:58:43] Secron: souns like you want http authentication [11:58:46] sounds* [11:58:56] Okay. Searched for a bit, couldn't find anything on it. I'll look again [11:59:15] Niker, yes I know, I was just wondering if it could be done through mediawiki [11:59:27] well, if you wnat *one* username and password for *all* users, you'd want hhtp auth [11:59:44] Okay [11:59:51] if you want real user logins, with only registered users being able to read, you want wiki-.based read restrictions [12:00:42] Nah just one username and password for anyone reading with single user accounts for editing [12:01:08] Secron: then just protect the wiki using http authentication. that's a webserver thing. [12:01:13] I could have one account for everyone and others for editors [12:01:22] naw, that would suck [12:01:40] Yeah I think I'll just go with http auth [12:02:47] It's a limited amount of people needing to read the wiki, and only a couple that need to edit it. [12:02:51] thinking about it... a "guest" account without edit rights would work too. buit creating editor accounts would be a bit more of a pain, then (you have to assign a special group explicitely). [12:03:47] Well I don't need a seperate account for editing. As only me and one other person will be editing, we can both use the admin account for editing [12:04:39] Anyway, thanks for the help guys. IRC support is an excellent idea. [12:05:42] well, you depend on your luck with irc :) [12:05:48] if no one is around, it sucks [12:06:07] and never mind the 160 lurkers :) [12:06:13] Well I was lucky then :) [12:06:31] Heh yeah quite a lot on [12:35:45] Hi , i'm experiencing some problems with my wiki [12:36:15] after the end of installation i move localsettings to his parent directory [12:36:30] and after that nothing appear on my index page [12:36:47] can someone help me? [12:36:51] maxime_vastatine: is it in root>? [12:37:13] when you access your wiki, is the page blank? [12:37:18] esben_: i dont install it locally but on 1and1 [12:37:18] or does it have any text? [12:37:30] yes it's a blank page [12:37:37] you need to see the error log [12:38:27] i'll take a look [12:40:37] got a weird css problem, something index.php is overwriting the stylesheet. http://æbletræet.dk/override.gif the actually page http://www.æbletræet.dk/index.php?title=Intel_Mac [12:43:50] Platonides: sorry i'm a newb and don't find error logs in the wiki directory nor in the server database [12:45:35] Maxime_Vastatine: fatal php errors usually go to the web server's error log. [12:45:55] /var/log/apache/errors or some such (depends on the os/distribution) [12:46:49] Maxime_Vastatine: depending on when the error happens, and what it is, putting this into your LocalSettings.php (near the end) might also help: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1); [12:47:03] Maxime_Vastatine: a likely cause is bas file permissions [12:47:22] maybe ... i'll just check this [12:50:33] 03(NEW) Missing comma in confirmation email - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11323 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Email; (tracy.poff) [13:00:37] 03(mod) Getting error when updating from 1.8.* - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11309 15enhancement->major (10mediawiki-bugzilla) [13:07:26] so i remember reading some time ago that not a single wysiwyg extension is useful [13:07:31] that seemed to be the consensus here [13:08:27] i was using wikied at the time [13:08:33] but what about this one? it may not be an extension but it seems good enough for wikipedia to use: [13:08:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MarkS/Extra_edit_buttons [13:11:27] Does anyone have advice on wiki organization and structure? I'm working on company documentation and I'm not sure if a hierarchical or flat structure is best. [13:13:09] misty_wrk: have both: a flat, network linke structure between pages (links), and a (roughly) hierarchical category structure. although on a wiki with only a few pages, you might not need the category stuff. [13:13:55] misty_wrk: generally, wiki content is not planned, but grows. you can try to establish best practice, but if you have a "living" wiki, the structure will result from what people do. [13:14:49] It's going to have a lot of pages. [13:14:59] Are categories native to MW or do I need a plugin? [13:15:22] native [13:15:35] misty_wrk: look at the bottom of any wikipedia page [13:15:38] those sexy natives [13:15:43] click on one of the category links [13:16:19] misty_wrk: type dynamic clicky [+] stuff on category pages *is* an extension though [13:16:31] categorytree? [13:16:36] indeed [13:16:40] *inkhorn nods [13:17:17] 03aaron * r25826 10/trunk/extensions/Review/Review.php: *Clean E_STRICT errors [13:17:33] aha, I never noticed those categories [13:18:16] ok I got the syntax. Cool. [13:19:31] misty_wrk: if you like hierarchies, you might want a category tree on the front page, like Wikimedia COmmons does: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [13:19:40] Here is another dilemma I have found. If I am editing a page and want to add a link to another article, I know how to do it. But it is rather a pain. Can I pull up a page with all articles and anchors in my whole wiki, maybe with the wikitext I would paste into my current article to get a link to each one? Am I making this too difficult? I have the same issue with re-using images. It seems a bit difficult to find the wiki name of the imag [13:19:48] (gryish box on the right) [13:20:21] ooh yes, I like that a lot [13:20:43] misty_wrk: listing all pages "inline" for that is not supported (i think tehre's an extension that does this for categories). generally, wiki links are supposed to be intuitive. [13:21:43] well, for instance I have a page called 'Log in to a Linux server via SSH in Windows' [13:21:51] It's a great page title but terrible to remember for linking [13:21:53] misty_wrk: mediawiki is written with scalability in mind. listing all pages on wikipedia would be, oh, about 10 million entries (2 million for "real" pages alone). Plus several anchors for each (which are not even in the database) [13:22:05] I am linking to it all the time though, because often it is the first step of another process [13:22:36] misty_wrk: well, if you can't remember the name of the thing, you might remember the name of the category to find it in... [13:22:46] (isn't that box blue?) [13:23:04] in my experience, page names are generally "plain" enough to remember. image names are often sucky though [13:23:11] time for a new monitor dues [13:23:39] feltipen: it's a gray box in a blue box... [13:24:05] time for a new set of eyes for me [13:27:55] Duesentrieb_: Is this where something like an interwiki link might come in handy? can I alias the articles that I link to often? [13:28:51] misty_wrk: sure, redirect pages. [13:29:24] #REDIRECT [[Log in to a Linux server via SSH in Windows]] [13:29:49] put that into a page with a name you like (PUTTY, perhaps?) [13:30:11] 03aaron * r25827 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage_body.php): *E_STRICT and OOP stuff. Alter convoluted static function scheme; just use the global. [13:30:43] That sounds perfect! Thank you so much [13:30:50] I'm categorizing all my pages now, this will take a bit [13:31:30] misty_wrk: hint: create narrow categories when broad categories fill up. don't create a huge, nearly empty hierarchy of "we might need this" categories [13:31:58] good idea. [13:32:05] *misty_wrk goes to read about categories [13:32:07] misty_wrk: also, categories can have multiple "parent" categories. usefull for having "german scientists" under both "germany" and "scientists" [13:32:20] (no, automatically intersecting two categories is not supported) [13:32:28] this will be perfect, I was manually managing a table of contents on the front page [13:32:40] naw, don't do that [13:33:11] misty_wrk: you might also want to look at the DPL (Dynamic Page List) extension. And perhaps the News extension [13:33:16] I found the Wiki about categories :D [13:33:28] *misty_wrk writes those down to look at next [13:38:16] 03aaron * r25828 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php): *Grr...finish last commit, file wasn't saved first [13:39:25] Duesentrieb_: grrr, fuck. I waited till I had more changes, so as not to waste a commit. And then I forget to save the file first, and end up needing another commit [13:39:31] ah well ;) [13:40:14] *Duesentrieb_ blinks [13:41:02] The job queue length is 70,353. ?? [13:41:26] -> #wikimedia-tech [13:41:42] me? [13:41:43] assuming it's not *your* wiki [13:41:46] it is [13:41:46] yes. [13:41:52] oh :) [13:41:52] my wiki that is [13:41:57] well then. [13:42:00] :-) [13:42:15] well what? [13:42:15] faceface: you edited a few templates that are used a lot, and you donÄt have many page views. right? [13:42:23] Duesentrieb_: He showed you ;) [13:42:23] oh... yeah [13:42:30] I did? [13:42:46] well, i don't know, but tthat's what gvenerally causes a full job queue. [13:42:52] *faceface shows himself sometimes. [13:43:07] yay for confusion! [13:43:11] Duesentrieb_, so pages that contain the templates that have not been viewed are ... [13:43:15] pending? [13:43:21] not quite. [13:43:42] every edit to a template causes all pages using that template to be pushed into the queue. [13:43:52] OK [13:44:05] But queued for what? [13:44:06] with every (per default) view of *any* page, one is taken from the queue and rerendered [13:44:11] queued for rerendering [13:44:18] oh... OK I get it. [13:44:24] well, if that page gets viewed, it's also rerendered, of course [13:44:38] but it has to be done also even if not viewed, so link tables etc are correct [13:44:43] so when I view a page that has been viewed before, the engine just says... ah... sell the old one... [13:44:55] faceface: there's a maintenance script you can run to empty the queue in one swoop. [13:45:02] OMG [13:45:08] will put some load on the db and cpu though (that's why it normally "trickels") [13:45:32] OK... how long will I have to wait for 70,000 to clear? [13:45:36] Categories are the answer to my structure problem. Thanks so much for your help [13:45:58] faceface: what, wehn just waiting? until 70000 pages where requested from your wiki. [13:46:21] hmmm... but what about links and stats? [13:46:23] if you run maintenance/runJobs.php... who knows. a couple of minutes? an hour? [13:47:02] man... led zep are so cool... but I can't type that riff... [13:47:25] 1034618 refreshLinks Template_talk:... [13:48:24] now its 64,668 ... so I guess an hour... roughly... [13:49:13] strange though... just decided to quit... seems no problem upon restart... [14:02:50] 03(FIXED) Missing comma in confirmation email - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11323 +comment (10robchur) [14:13:28] ug [14:14:00] 03robchurch * r25829 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: (bug 11323) Missing comma [14:24:51] 'lo ppl [14:25:30] I'm working w/ CategoryViewer, but I get stuck [14:25:55] I want the list of articles in this category (until there, no problem) [14:26:26] in this list, get 3 random articles (for example), and then get their content [14:26:51] but CategoryViewer only gives me an array of html links (with ) [14:27:16] instead of raw names... is there a clean way to get that properly ? [14:28:14] what's CategoryViewer? [14:28:25] a function, an extension? [14:28:34] a function... I'm working in PHP mode [14:29:32] you probably need to go deeper [14:29:56] deeper ? than what ? [14:31:40] you probably want to change CategoryViewer::doCategoryQuery() to your needs [14:31:52] arf...... ok [14:32:03] I'd rather prefer not to touch MW code [14:32:20] so I'll prefer a regexp on the resulting array ;) [14:32:21] well, you can copy it ;) [14:32:51] all right... or make an inherited class of CategoryViewer [14:32:59] as an extension [14:33:23] yes, you can inherit and overload addPage() [14:33:24] mmmm... maybe regexp will be more easy and will fit more to my needs ;) [14:33:50] mmm... let's have a look to addPage(), it seems quitly simple [14:34:39] $this->getSkin()->makeKnownLinkObj( $title ) [14:34:50] this is what, I think, is annoying me... [14:34:56] so i read the help:categories section of mediawiki but i couldn't grasp how to place a category within another category, to create hierarchy [14:34:56] let's try [14:36:16] lets say i have a page and i want it under the cat "anthropology" and within that branch i want to place the same article under a subcategory "cultural", how would i go about this? [14:39:20] oh there's a meta help file too, with way more info, nvm [14:49:36] Platonides: thx, it works better like that... and that gives a clean code and a good method [14:59:12] 03(mod) Java error when no audio device available - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11236 +comment (10brion) [15:12:02] 03(mod) Java error when no audio device available - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11236 (10brion) [15:17:19] 03(mod) Java error when no audio device available - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11236 (10brion) [15:20:11] hi there - how would I add a JavaScript function to onload? [15:20:24] I know there's a hook or something, but I can't remember [15:22:01] 14(INVALID) Warning: Cannot modify header information - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11272 +comment (10brion) [15:25:08] 14(WFM) Addedwatchtext bug with namespace:Image - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11299 +comment (10brion) [15:27:31] 14(DUP) API fm modules don't escape < and > - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11302 +comment (10brion) [15:27:34] 03(mod) URLs in the help mode double escaped - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11296 +comment (10brion) [15:28:06] 14(DUP) Upload file link does not work on the en.wiki secure server - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11304 +comment (10brion) [15:28:09] 03(mod) $wgUploadNavigationUrl on enwiki fails with https://secure. wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:Upload - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10843 +comment (10brion) [15:33:17] 03(mod) URL with hyphen in Infobox displays improperly with unintended break - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11312 (10brion) [15:34:21] 03(mod) Wildcard search do not work for logged-in users in some Wikipedias - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11313 (10brion) [15:36:38] 03(WONTFIX) generateSitemaps treats redirects as content pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11319 +comment (10brion) [15:38:33] 03(WONTFIX) generateSitemaps creates URLs with two slashes after domain - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11320 +comment (10brion) [15:38:49] 03(mod) generateSitemaps creates URLs with two slashes after domain - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11320 (10brion) [15:40:58] 03(NEW) Enable subpages in main namespace in Russian Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11324 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (AlexSm) [15:41:01] can we please make this ^^^ quick change? [15:46:10] mmm. http://en.consumeria.info/wiki/index.php/HowTo:Save_energy [15:48:52] 03(NEW) level one headers that wrap result in not enough line spacing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11325 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (amirvis) [15:50:39] ploxx developers. mw is just the best creative platform there is [15:50:49] always on my way to get back specifics children of a given category : any idea about getting the "n" last pages of a category (I'm working in PHP) [15:51:01] does anyone has the pageprotection file? [15:51:12] Ive trying to download, but the link if off [15:51:20] Ive trying to download, but the link is broken [15:51:45] the idea is more "getting a category's children pages ordered by date" [15:52:12] lessee. Bandwidth and CPU time costs 40 bucks / month. Linux, MySQL, PHP, Apache and MW cost nothing [15:52:22] :) [15:52:52] does anyone has the pageprotection file? [15:55:42] are there any plans to implement category interjections in MW. It would reduce the amount of needed categories drasticly [15:56:17] it was quite a heave to move to categories and to templates when they were conjured up [15:57:24] 2-way links are just so much more useful for some things then two 1-way links [16:01:36] pls. simple set operations on categories [16:01:42] can I has? [16:02:00] or would it be evil because it's so efficient? [16:03:08] where can I learn about coding Special-pages and hooking them into MW? [16:05:33] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages [16:09:27] 03(mod) Wildcard search do not work for logged-in users in some Wikipedias - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11313 (10rainman) [16:09:56] cheers ialex [16:11:14] :) [16:17:21] Hello [16:17:57] im looking for an extension like the holidayList Plugin for TWiki [16:18:06] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/HolidaylistPlugin [16:18:33] does anyone know if there is such an extension for mediawiki??? [16:22:31] Hi There! [16:22:52] How do I delete a lot of Pages? [16:24:00] around 200 Pages in my Wiki must be deleted. How can I automate this? [16:27:26] You could write a bot [16:28:34] i try the nuke ext [16:29:15] no php bot i tried worked. No I import/Export Pages [16:35:30] Has anybody managed to find a way to pull the edit toolbar out from the edit page and place it on other places like special pages? [16:40:59] 03(NEW) Restrict move to autoconfirmed on itwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11326 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (anaconda) [16:41:16] im looking for an extension like the holidayList Plugin for TWiki [16:41:18] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/HolidaylistPlugin [16:41:19] does anyone know if there is such an extension for mediawiki??? [16:44:30] 03mkroetzsch * r25830 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: Bugfix: do not delete object references when updating semantic data for some page [16:52:22] Are there any functions that handle emailing users? If so which include file are they located in.. [16:55:26] cool, just found the userMailer function [16:58:14] does anyone help here? [17:01:18] maybe they're not around... [17:03:08] actionjackson: For most people it's around lunchtime, I think. [17:03:20] Or worktime. :) [17:08:23] anyone took a look at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11290 [17:10:22] actionjackson: just ask your question, if anyone can answer it they will [17:17:33] 03(mod) Enable captcha for anonymous page creation on Spanish Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8668 (10tstarling) [17:19:18] 03(FIXED) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit for Spanish Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11305 +comment (10tstarling) [17:29:31] kk thx [17:29:32] ;) [17:32:07] help me [17:32:10] [17:32:26] develop.consumerium.org isn't sending a new password [17:32:39] what should I put into the SQL? [17:33:22] user_registration is NULL [17:34:04] should I put true or valid UNIX timestamp to get into my account? [17:36:55] I upgraded the wiki from 1.4.7 to 1.6.8 to 1.10.1 [17:37:09] help would be much appreciated [17:37:12] 03(mod) Restrict move to autoconfirmed on itwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11326 (10brovvnout) [17:40:20] 03(mod) Enable captcha for anonymous page creation on Spanish Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8668 (10Platonides) [17:42:22] Can anyone help me out with the quiz extension on wikinews? [17:42:45] I assumed when it was installed it would work for all languages - but seems to only be for en. [17:43:11] de. now has an interest [17:46:29] does anyone knows where could I get page protection for mediawiki? [17:47:27] brion-office you got a spare 5 and a half minutes between sweeping the floor and vacuuming the dust bunnies out of the servers? [17:48:14] oy what's up [17:48:18] does anyone knows where could I get page protection for mediawiki? [17:48:30] de.wikinews would like to play with the quiz ext. [17:48:41] I thought it was project wide, not lang-specific [17:49:38] *brion-office looks [17:52:29] *brion-office changes the config to make this easier to deal with [17:52:58] I spammed lots of lang wikinews saying we had the quiz ext. :S [17:54:03] how can I SQL my way to sysop rights for any user? [17:54:13] I really really needs to have this solved [17:54:58] I tried inserting them into user_rights but that didn't help [17:56:05] kumquata: try this SQL query: INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user, ug_group) VALUES ('1', 'sysop'); [17:56:10] 1 is the user ID of the user [18:01:20] *ChemicalBit goes to dinenr. Bye, see you later [18:02:18] Jack_Phoenix: you're the man. you saved my day [18:02:25] np :) [18:06:08] brion, will the Germans now have the quiz ext? [18:07:25] brianmc_: they should do [18:07:27] try it and see :D [18:07:32] moment [18:07:52] hehe 'the germans' [18:07:59] works. :) [18:08:15] Thanks Brion, as ever you get things done. [18:09:17] I'm not so sure the Germans will find it funny that I called my test Ze Interrogation. [18:14:16] flyingparchment: don [18:14:37] 't talk about the war! they started it, they invaded Poland [18:22:45] im looking for an extension like the holidayList Plugin for TWiki [18:22:48] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/HolidaylistPlugin [18:22:52] does anyone know if there is such an extension for mediawiki??? [18:33:36] quiz ext?? [18:33:47] anything like freebase? [18:36:06] 03brion * r25831 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): Revert r25819 -- Adding a floated gallery to image description page previews makes the behavior even *less* like the actual page display than it already is. [18:37:09] 04(REOPENED) Show images on image description page previews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11243 +comment (10brion) [18:52:56] brion-office: have you looked at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11290 ? [19:01:02] AzaTht: nope [19:07:10] 03brion * r25832 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiFormatBase.php: [19:07:10] Reverting r25082: [19:07:10] Do not restore security vulnerabilities to the codebase after a security release. [19:07:10] Especially don't MAKE THEM WORSE IN THE PROCESS. [19:11:20] 03(mod) API fm modules don't escape < and > - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11302 (10brion) [19:24:44] 03(NEW) delete-idle-wiki-users.pl documentation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11327 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Documentation; (jidanni) [19:24:56] 03brion * r25833 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): adjust parser tests to match slightly wider gallery width per r25822 [19:27:05] brion-office: ok [19:27:49] 14(INVALID) delete-idle-wiki-users.pl documentation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11327 +comment (10brion) [19:29:18] *brion-office puts on the scap pants [19:30:02] *ST47 wonders what is special about the scap pants, or if they are simply lucky [19:34:09] 04(REOPENED) format=jsonfm does not escape properly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11158 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [19:36:40] 03(FIXED) format=jsonfm does not escape properly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11158 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [19:41:58] 03(mod) Mailing lists archive indexes should be updated - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11227 +shell (10mbimmler) [19:54:15] im looking for an extension like the holidayList Plugin for TWiki [19:54:17] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/HolidaylistPlugin [19:54:20] does anyone know if there is such an extension for mediawiki??? [19:58:51] 03catrope * r25834 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): apiedit: Adding *untested* ApiChangeRights module, will test by the end of next week [20:00:58] 03catrope * r25835 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/ (18 files in 5 dirs): apiedit: Merging r25796 and beyond from trunk [20:11:17] hi [20:11:25] Hi Cisa [20:12:04] i just moved from apache2 to lighttpd - everything but mediawiki works fine. problem: relocation loop [20:12:24] cisa: are you using some form of "pretty urls"? [20:12:45] Duesentrieb_: no - nothing. clean installation. domain didn't change. [20:13:41] mediawiki redirects to /index.php/Hauptseite (MainPage) and gets a 302 - moved permanently [20:13:41] cisa: clean installation uses pathinfo, per default, i.e. index.php/Foo - that might not work with lightppd. What'S the url of your wiki? [20:13:54] cisa: try to use index.php?title=Hauptseite [20:14:26] also, never put the wiki into a domain's document root. [20:14:55] Duesentrieb_: it has an extra domain for that. [20:15:13] Duesentrieb_: the old-style parameter thingy works. [20:15:23] Like wiki.example.com/Hauptseite and www.example.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hauptseite or something like that [20:15:24] ? [20:15:25] cisa: it doesn't matter. page names will conflict with file names. [20:15:46] RoanKattouw: wiki.example.com/Hauptseite <-- bad idea. [20:16:00] cisa the best solution is to but the MediaWiki PHP files in /w and alias /wiki to /w/index.php [20:16:02] RoanKattouw: you can't have an article called index.php in that wiki. or an article called skins, etc... [20:16:07] The way Wikipedia sites do it [20:16:19] hi all :) I just have a quick question. I can't properly find this via Google. Is there a way that I can 'include' the contents of a special page, in another page? What I'd like to do is show the Categories page inside the main page of the wiki. [20:16:21] Duesentrieb_ yes you can if it goes to WWW.example.com/wiki/index.php [20:16:25] RoanKattouw: i'm using wiki.domain.de/ yet [20:16:44] cisa right and what's the URL of index.php? [20:17:00] it's wiki.domain.de/index.php [20:17:04] misty_wrk {{Special:Myspecialpage}} work sometimes, not alway [20:17:05] misty_wrk: "the categories page"? which one? some special pages are includable, mist are not. category pages are not special pages (although they are special, too, in a way). [20:17:05] s [20:17:08] ok, it's bad :) [20:17:08] 03brion * r25836 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: add missing $article param to ArticleViewHeader doc [20:17:13] cisa that's bad [20:17:26] the page that shows all of the categories [20:17:40] Either do the /w/index.php and /wiki thing, or do WIKI.example.com/Hauptseite --> WWW.example.com/wiki/index.php [20:18:18] /Special:Categories [20:18:39] so, is there a way to tell mediawiki to use index.php?title=Hauptseite instead of index.php/Hauptseite? [20:18:42] misty_wrk: ah. i don't think that's possible. You could probably use DPL to "simulate" this, but if you have a hirarchical structure, it doesn't make sense. You'd want the "top level" categories only - which you can do nicely with CategoryTree. All you need is a root category. [20:19:08] Just tested, {{Special:Categories}} doesn't work [20:19:10] cisa: set wgArticlePath accordingly. but if you don't want to use fugly urls, then don't put the wiki into the document root. [20:19:37] Duesentrieb_: sorry - got it. .oO(open your eyes, cisa! bad boy!) [20:19:39] yeah I tested it too, it makes a beautiful link only [20:19:43] thanks Duesentrieb_ [20:20:03] misty_wrk: set hideroot=true [20:20:15] ? [20:20:20] mistry_wrk something like this http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:CategoryTree?target=A+to+Z&mode=categories&dotree=Show+Tree [20:20:31] Duesentrieb_: gnh.... edit conflict on WP:NEU [20:20:46] misty_wrk: for the categorytree thingy. sorry, i got confused :) anyway: you'll need an extension. DPL, categorytree, or some such [20:20:51] Duesentrieb_, RoanKattouw: thank you, guys. [20:21:20] Raymond_: oh? [20:21:21] No problem [20:21:33] Or misty_wrk look at this: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki:Sandbox [20:21:35] yeah something like that would be ok [20:21:41] That's A to Z [20:21:46] \o/ [20:22:02] RoanKattouw: any idea when apiedit will be in trunk ? [20:22:10] RoanKattouw: categorytree got a bit better today :) [20:22:12] thanks I will look for categorytree [20:22:32] Bryan Apiedit is not done yet [20:22:32] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree [20:22:45] *Duesentrieb_ goes to update the unofficial bundle [20:22:54] oh, ok [20:23:36] A lot is done though [20:23:44] See www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Changing_wiki_content [20:23:55] also, the expand templates function is not yet available through the api ? [20:24:13] Rollback, (un)delete, (un)protect and (un)block are done [20:24:34] Changegroups has been comitted to branch but not tested yet [20:24:35] RoanKattouw: hey, we need (un)rollback! [20:24:40] ツ [20:24:41] I'll do that by the end of next weel [20:24:57] AzaTht it's right there in branches/apiedit/phase3/includes/api/ApiRollback.php [20:25:08] I believe trunk Article.php already supports it [20:25:09] RoanKattouw: it was a joke [20:25:13] No guarantees, but you can test [20:25:15] ;) [20:25:34] hey this is a nice extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Add_Article_to_Category [20:25:34] Anyway, move is next [20:25:53] hmm would expanded_content a suitable rvprop attribute? [20:25:55] Yeah I know that one [20:26:01] +be [20:26:06] can anyone help me with an extension [20:26:08] Bryan what do you mean by expanded content then? [20:26:12] ActionJacksn name it [20:26:20] im looking for an extension [20:26:26] What does it need to do? [20:26:35] like holidaylist [20:26:38] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/HolidaylistPlugin [20:26:38] RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#Raw [20:26:40] ^^ [20:26:44] first point [20:26:49] Oh right dunno if that exists [20:26:50] the coffemachine extension of course [20:26:54] templates = expand [20:26:55] Try searching at www.mediawiki.org [20:27:04] i searched the whole site [20:27:18] Bryan oh right so it expands the templates [20:27:27] yeah [20:27:31] BTW Bryan do I recall correctly that you're Dutch? [20:27:33] i need an extension, in which every user can fill in his holidays [20:27:36] yeah [20:27:40] how did you know? :) [20:27:41] ActionJacksn maybe it just doesn't exist [20:27:47] ;( [20:27:48] Bryan ik zag je userpage [20:27:57] uh, ohja :P [20:28:11] Maar wist niet meer of jij het was, meer mensen heten Bryan/Brian namelijk [20:28:38] ActionJacksn I'm sorry, I'd write one if I weren't going to Sweden next Sunday [20:28:42] ActionJacksn: i see five calendar extensions on the Extension Matrix [20:28:59] yes [20:29:09] RoanKattouw: going where? [20:29:10] ActionJacksn: don't know if any of them does exactly what you want, but... well, did you look at them? [20:29:20] Bryan iig ik moet alleen dus action=move nog doen daar houdt apiedit's (en dus mijn) verantwoordelijkheid op [20:29:26] yes i look at all that extension [20:29:37] but none of them is what im looking for [20:29:40] Edit, register en upload wordt gedaan door apiedit_vodafone [20:29:50] AzaTht Sweden, student exchange [20:29:57] RoanKattouw: ok [20:29:58] Just for a week [20:30:00] where [20:30:04] Eksjo [20:30:11] that hole [20:30:19] (Eksjö) [20:30:24] Ain't large, I know [20:30:25] ActionJacksn: then it probably doesn't exist. i mean, there's a lot of extensions that are not on mediawiki.org, but most decent ones are [20:30:40] hm [20:30:45] Well AzaTht I was told it's comparable in size to where I live (Harlingen, Netherlands) [20:30:50] oh, je bent niet van vodafoon? [20:30:55] Nee ik niet [20:31:03] Ik werk er vrijwillig aan xD [20:31:25] hehe [20:31:29] Die Vodafone lui kwamen er in de zomervakantie bij, ik in maart/april ofzo, weet niet precies meer [20:32:09] ik heb ook svn access, maar ik ben niet zo vertrouwd met php :P [20:33:57] Whooooooooo [20:34:03] google team replied! [20:34:10] first time [20:35:20] \o/ [20:35:31] log_id <3 [20:35:48] does anyone use Xed on their wiki? [20:37:05] is it possible to use MediaWiki with InnoDB tables? I'm asking as our installation (MW1.10, squid, MySQL 5.0.26, PHP 5.2.0) is suffering serious lockups when somebody edits a template via ssl. [20:37:15] you must use innodb tables [20:38:11] there seems to be a problem with updating the objectcache. thus cuasing a lock for about 30 secounds. [20:38:24] *VoiceOfAll giggles [20:39:38] then I wonder, why the admin responsible for the intitial installation and the mysql-sever told me that MW is using MyISAM? [20:40:15] jamasi: if you have a lot of traffic, think about not using the db for objectcaching. memcached is an option, using a baytecode cache (and also using it for object caching) is another [20:40:16] Bryan www.php.net/manual/en/ als je ns wat vije tijd hebt ;) [20:40:25] Vooral het OOP gedeelte is belangrijk [20:40:31] jamasi: if they told you it was using myisam, they lied. [20:40:46] so by default MW will use InnoDB? [20:40:50] i think there's one myisam table - the search index (innodb doesn't do fulltext indexes) [20:40:59] jamasi: not by default. only. [20:41:03] I'll bug the person responsible for this ;) [20:41:04] OOP gedeelte @ http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.php [20:41:08] everything else would be a hack be the db admin. [20:46:04] So the best bet would be to make a complete SQL-Backup of our DB, edit the type of the tables and then dump and reimport the DB? [20:46:33] jamasi: yes. beware charset dumbness of mysql/mysqldump. look at the manual page about backing up a wiki [20:46:53] jamasi: you can always simply alter table, no reimport needed, really. but make a backup anyway. [20:47:32] ok, I'll tell the admin to do this. [20:47:36] and while you are at it, make an xml dump too. use that always if you want a long-term backup of content (as opposed to day-to-day disaster recovery) [20:49:35] (I have some suspicion from where this strange settings might have come from: the wiki was migrated once from one server to another and there werer problems with utf8 charsets. the one responsible for the migration then hacked up a script to do a conversion. perhaps he did not set the correct table type. [20:51:03] hmm. I followed the instructions for CategoryTree, checked out the svn version and added the things to LocalSettings.php, but I am getting an error that is not mentioned in any bugs: Fatal error: Class 'CategoryViewer' not found in /var/lib/mediawiki1.7/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryPageSubclass.php on line 14 [20:52:12] Greetings! [20:52:28] I think something is missing, because I grepped through the files and don't find that class declared in the extension at all :( [20:53:01] is it possible to have whitespace in page names? [20:53:22] yep [20:53:26] thanks [20:53:28] just put it inside [[ ]] like normal [20:53:43] you can alternately not have whitespace, but include an alternate name for a page after a | [20:53:46] i already created one, by searching for it first [20:53:57] then I clicked on Create Page [20:54:02] misty_wrk: it's not declared in the extension. it's a core class, which the extension... extends. [20:54:07] [[mysillypage|My Page]] [20:54:14] misty_wrk: what version of mw are you using? [20:54:18] Duesentrieb_: hmm, what in the world. [20:54:36] checking [20:54:48] d'oh, stupid ubuntu [20:55:08] version 1.7, must build the gutsy package and try again [20:55:12] sorry for not checking thqat [20:55:24] don't use distri bundles of mediawiki. it's pointless. mediawiki is a copy&run installation. [20:55:52] distribution bundles tend to be old and idiosyncratic [20:55:53] well I know, but ubuntu likes to split the different parts of it up and not put it in the webroot [20:56:06] right. that's why i recommend not to use that :) [20:56:30] well gutsy has 1.10, is that good enough? [20:56:58] should be [20:57:31] only one release behind :) [20:58:13] lol [20:58:22] carrera: Indeed .. just not on the beginning or end of the name [20:58:47] thanks [20:58:51] misty_wrk: hm... i guess i somply expect that class to be defined or auto-loadable. i have never heard of problems with that. perhaps it's related to some oddness ubuntu does to the order of setup? [20:59:07] no I think it is because the plugin mentions it needs 1.8 or later [20:59:08] misty_wrk: hm, where in your LocalSettings.php do you include the extension stuff? it should be near the end [20:59:08] *blush* [20:59:16] i think it's not possible to have whitespace in Titles in TWiki [20:59:33] does anyone here know? [20:59:52] never used TWiki [21:00:09] carrera: technically, it isn't in mediawiki either: they are converted to _ [21:00:31] but it makes for nicer in-line links [21:00:34] or rather, " " and "_" in titles are equivalent, _ is used for the internal representation [21:01:13] how does is it know which to convert back to when it displays the title then? [21:01:31] str_replace( ' ', '_', $string ); [21:01:45] thanks MinuteElectron [21:02:02] carrera: You're welcome, enjoy the rest of your day. [21:02:05] but how does it know which one of ' ' or '-' was used [21:02:29] carrera: hm? it displayes what you type. simple as that. [21:02:59] the internal representation is for finding the target page in the database. for that, you obviously need a canonical form [21:03:09] Duesentrieb_, but u said, or rather, " " and "_" in titles are equivalent, [21:03:23] yes. both are "_" internally. [21:03:26] right [21:04:02] then for displaying the title, how does MW know which one was used to create the page [21:04:24] if i type [[Foo_Bar Baz]], it'll show as "Foo_Bar Baz" on the page, link to Foo_Bar_Baz, and be listed in link lists etc as "Foo Bar Baz". [21:04:33] does that answer your question? [21:04:52] i'm sorry, i still don't get it [21:04:55] in the page title, it's always " ". int the database, and in the url, it's always _ [21:05:01] i guess i'm not very smart [21:05:37] carrera: well... try it and see. you'll understand :) [21:05:42] i did [21:05:47] i already created two pages [21:05:51] one by searching [21:06:02] misty_wrk, you should check if the extension features a version check somewhere. [21:06:10] the other by putting a link in an existing page, then clikcing on it [21:06:20] it was "Sales Success" [21:06:30] if it does check that this versioncheck is not a simple if version > 1.7 or so. [21:06:57] then when I clicked on Sales Success the page "Sales Success" opened [21:07:22] what would happen if I had [[Sales_Success]] [21:07:49] if I clicked on that, would the new page title be Sales_Success [21:07:51] ? [21:08:00] That's the same as Sales Success [21:08:05] There is no difference in MW [21:08:09] ah [21:08:13] i get it know [21:08:14] thanks [21:08:18] np :) [21:09:20] misty_wrk: still having that problem with CategoryTree? [21:09:55] does MW have ACLs? [21:10:04] like MoinMoin [21:11:02] Camel links you mean? [21:11:59] carrera: no it doesn't. it has user groups with fine grained permissions, but no per-page permissions. there are several extensions though that implement this, more or less. [21:12:19] erm . drr .. ignore me :) [21:12:21] thanks [21:12:35] so i can still control access to pages [21:12:58] carrera: there's per page "protection" though - which again restricts specific permissions per page to a given group. [21:12:58] Well, there is per-page edit and move protection [21:13:06] That's about the closest you get without extensions [21:13:07] which isn't quite ACLs, but... [21:13:28] so everyone can see everypage? [21:13:45] i'm trying to decide between Moin and MW for my company [21:14:02] we are about 10 employees [21:14:12] carrera: yes. or you prevent viewing completely, and only whitelist a few pages. or you use an extension to restrict view permission for only some pages - works reasonably, but not totally secure. [21:14:14] but I want to keep both technical and sales related docs [21:14:28] and don't want everyone to see the sales stuff [21:14:29] carrera: have two wikis? [21:15:04] sorry, didn't get the question [21:15:14] i have both running now [21:15:20] but Moin was a pain to install [21:15:35] for some reason i like the interface better [21:15:47] i think it's cleaner [21:15:53] but i may be wrong on that too [21:16:32] Duesentrieb_, do u mean i should have two instances of MW? [21:17:06] its the simplest and safest way [21:17:46] ok [21:18:12] will MW ever offer attachment search? [21:18:57] it doesnÄt offer attachments. [21:19:07] you can search the image namespace like any other. [21:19:48] ah [21:20:05] as we're talking about atachment atm: is there any eta for preview rendering of .pdf via imagemagick? [21:20:05] but i enabled .chm and successfully attached a .chm file [21:20:35] well, that's a question of terminology. for mw, you simply "used" it on a page [21:20:37] s/atachment/media [21:20:47] "attachments" usually mean up upload things "to" an article [21:21:06] right [21:21:12] in mw, you upload media, and use it where you see fit. [21:21:20] ah [21:21:45] what diff does that make in the end? [21:21:46] it doesn't "belong" to any page - it's the other way around: each file has it's own description page (for source, license, etc) [21:22:03] rather, what are the implications of doing it the MW way [21:22:16] difference? well, i think the mw is more flexible, and clearer overall. but some people want to be able to "just upload here". [21:22:35] and are confused by uploading "somewhere", and manually entering the file name into the page and all that [21:22:50] that doesn't bother me [21:23:06] good then :) i think "attachments" are a silly idea. [21:23:28] or rather, a silly concept. it obscures the essential. [21:23:32] with actuall attachments like in Moin, can one then link to the attachment in another page [21:23:45] i have no idea. ask moinmoin people [21:23:49] heh [21:24:04] 03(mod) Warning: Cannot modify header information - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11272 (10ekompute) [21:24:09] it's also unclear to me what happens to the media if you delete the page, etc [21:24:13] even, if it was possible the attachment could be deleted with the page [21:24:18] which is why i don't like the concept [21:24:47] great, then I saw the problem [21:26:38] carrera: generally, the *real* strong point of wikipedia is scalability, both on the technical and the organisational level. If you don't care about that, mw is still a nice wiki, but not necessarily the best one for what you want. [21:27:05] why not? [21:27:09] but if you want a site with a couple of million pages, severa lthousand editors, and hunderts of edits per minute... use mediawiki :) [21:27:24] cause it's not a Corporate kind of wiki? [21:27:41] carrera: why not? well, depends on what you want, really. other wikis may be more tailored for cooperate use (ACLs, Subwikis, etc) [21:27:56] hmmm [21:28:03] or tie in more easily with common infrastructure like LDAP (possible with mediawiki, but the setup is probably not so simple) [21:28:10] MW was so easy to install [21:28:14] :) [21:28:25] well, if you like it, use it. [21:28:35] are u one of the devs Duesentrieb_ [21:28:45] another strong point is: a huge community, high security, quick release cycle (thanks brion!) [21:29:06] carrera: i have commit access, but rarely use it except for my extensions. [21:31:40] Duesentrieb_, is that a German nick? [21:32:00] yes. try google image search to learn the meaning :) [21:32:56] Duesentrieb, ok [21:33:10] Duesentrieb: are you german? [21:33:30] amidaniel, that was my next question? [21:33:31] :) [21:33:45] amidaniel, r u one of the devs too? [21:33:54] sure i am [21:34:02] cool [21:34:09] aso .. hatte ich nie gewusst :) [21:34:14] so is a Carrera! [21:34:19] carrera: "the devs" in an oss project is not a clear cut category. [21:36:20] hehe .. "WARNING: Dirty volume mount was forced by the 'force' mount option. [21:36:29] I love that my volumes are "Dirty" :) [21:37:17] Duesentrieb, is it a German cartoon character? [21:38:23] carrera: no, it's the german name of an american cartoon character. To wit, Gyro Grealoose [21:38:34] heh, duesentrieb = proka pronalazač (in serbian) [21:38:48] yea, got a lot of names [21:39:16] I like German [21:39:17] s [21:39:38] so far every german on irc has been very nice to me [21:39:51] and duesentrieb.org is your blog, or no? [21:39:54] i wonder if it has anything to do with my nick [21:39:58] gah, try a flame war on #wikipedia-de [21:40:07] carrera: There are some notsogood germans too :) [21:40:15] :) [21:40:29] nationality is overrated. [21:40:32] do u have commit access too amidaniel ? [21:40:41] one of the nicer things about the web. no one cares much [21:40:59] but sometimes the characer comes through [21:41:07] Duesentrieb: heh [21:42:45] carrera: Not at present ... brion took it away after I made a goof-up :) [21:42:57] :)) [21:43:07] amidaniel, are you English? [21:43:29] last name Cannon [21:43:29] No, I'm an ami, as the name would suggest :) (a yank, in other words :D) [21:43:49] ah, ami as in American [21:43:59] indeed [21:44:31] which makes the nick sound very german, btw [21:44:40] Americans salesmen are some of the best [21:45:05] amidaniel: Ami is a Hebrew first name [21:45:32] Duesentrieb: Fitting, because it was germans who gave me the nickname :) [21:45:42] dachte ich mir :) [21:45:49] :) [21:47:52] thanks for all your help everyone [21:48:03] it's 1:16 AM over here [21:48:16] i gotta get some sleep [21:51:15] *amidaniel belatedly waves good night [21:56:55] Ugg ... why does the sun keep moving?! >:() [21:57:09] haha [21:58:19] I can't read my screen when it's in the sun, so I have to get up every five minutes to move my laptop to wherever the shadows have decided to move themselves [21:58:28] haha [21:58:28] very frustrating [21:58:36] why don't you close the curtains? [21:58:50] *amidaniel looks around for curtains ... finds only trees :) [22:12:28] Is there a way to keep the first character of the URL for new pages from being uppercase? [22:14:16] bow-viper: Add {{DISPLAYTITLE:your title here}} to the top of the page [22:15:13] Thank you, amidaniel. Will this affect people who come to my site from search engine links where the indexed URL still has the capitalized letter first? [22:15:49] The URL will be unchanged, just how the title is displayed [22:16:08] i.e., your url will be http://example.com/w/Bob but the page will display as "bob" [22:16:32] Ah, great - thanks a lot. [22:16:37] np [22:16:54] bow-viper: you can also tell mediawiki not to force the first letter to upper-case - but that would mean that Bob and bob are two different pages. [22:17:11] amidaniel: is displaytitle enabled per default now? [22:17:25] ah yea, it is [22:17:26] Duesentrieb: Oh, good question [22:17:29] I believe so [22:18:15] Hmm, I just tried it and it just displayed the code, it didn't actually make the change. [22:18:25] Is there a place I need to enable it? [22:19:18] bow-viper: If you're on an earlier MW version, you'll need to specify $wgAllowDisplayTitle = true; in your LocalSettings.php [22:19:45] Awesome, thanks again. I actually haven't updated in a couple of months. I'll do that tonight. [22:20:02] Let us know if you have any other troubles :) [22:28:19] How should I go about updating from MW 1.9.1 to the latest SVN? [22:29:34] Cobi: read the manual. [22:29:42] Cobi: You probably don't want to update to the svn release .. it's typically unstable [22:29:55] svn version* ... it's not a release :) [22:31:14] amidaniel: When I originally installed it, I did so from the SVN, it has been relatively reliable for my needs. [22:31:17] 1.11.0 is stable, correct? [22:31:32] bow-viper: Indeed [22:33:08] Cobi: Yeah, but you never know :) It's best to only update from svn if you keep up with the commit log and know how to fix things that break :) [22:34:05] If I want to make a mediawiki installation open, what I should watch out for? [22:34:55] amidaniel: I like to tinker with source code ... I am not afraid of breaking it, or fixing it if it is already broken. :) [22:35:56] *kiba wants to open up the source code of his wiki [22:38:35] possibly a stupid question, but I did scan through mediawiki [22:38:44] I got hit with some spammers. [22:39:03] and I've found some spam solutions, but is there an easy way to undo all of their spam? [22:39:14] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Spam [22:39:35] sure: don't let people edit. i.e. don't have a wiki. [22:40:13] not that, I'm saying, is there an easy way that I'm missing to undo things that they've done? [22:40:13] Well, suit yourself :) [22:40:22] *kibble thinks there is [22:40:25] but I forget the name [22:40:52] at this point, all I see is opening up what they've added, blanking it out and hitting save. [22:41:15] Bletch, blasted university wireless [22:43:13] theremin-working: "rollback" is your frind. saves you at least some trouble. [22:43:35] the ConfirmEdit extension may also help (captchas for anons adding urls, for example) [22:43:44] well, it's somewhat nice because they didn't hit any pages that I can tell. just created new pages. [22:43:47] spamblacklist is nice (automatically updated from the list wikipedia uses) [22:43:49] etc etc [22:43:59] so, I'm using delete now...rollback didn't work [22:44:21] look into the nuke extension too, especially for freshly created pages [22:44:43] you can also prevent anons from creating pages (while still allowing them to edit) [22:44:57] they created accounts! [22:44:59] super lame. [22:45:25] there's also a distinction between fresh and establish users, to avoid people creating accounts to circumvent restrictions imposed on anons [22:45:26] etc [22:45:34] user vs. autoconfirmed [22:45:41] vs emailconfirmed [22:45:56] vs some special group you invent and manually assign... [22:46:46] I'll look into a solution soon...no time today...I just wish there was an easier way to delete them. [22:46:59] Nuke [22:47:11] I wouldn't mind only allowing editing/creating access to certain people with a pw, or that I manually assign. [22:47:14] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke [22:47:35] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Preventing_access [23:04:50] preventing access doesn't really have anything to help, except maybe preventing editing by anyone but sysops [23:05:11] O_O [23:07:46] looking into how to make people sysops, and if it's bad to have a couple hundred of them =) [23:08:41] yes, it's bad [23:08:54] all wikis get spam [23:08:59] the bigger yours is, the more spam you get [23:09:05] wikipedia gets tons of spam daily [23:09:18] but we combat it efficiently [23:10:20] this is a wiki for a very specific purpose. There is no reason for anyone that I don't know, or doesn't have access to me personally to have editing access. [23:14:17] theremin-working: then restrict account creation to sysops or something [23:14:26] it's on the preventing access page that was linked to you [23:14:53] hmm...ok, I guess that makes sense. [23:14:58] :-) [23:15:39] I guess there's not any reason to have an account if you can't edit then. [23:16:43] so... [23:16:46] you're going to want to [23:16:53] a) make it so only users with accounts can edit [23:17:02] so, what I actually need is block editing by non members, block creation by non-members and only create accounts by sysop [23:17:10] and b) restrict account creation to sysops [23:17:13] wait, what? [23:17:19] oh yeah [23:17:22] 03(NEW) OggHandler video tag support doesn' t display any controls in FireFox devel code, makes too tall an area for audio only playback. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11328 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: OggHandler; (gmaxwell) [23:17:23] that should all be on the page [23:20:44] theremin-working: ping me if you need help :-) [23:24:16] 03siebrand * r25837 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 2 dirs): [23:24:16] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [23:24:16] * ar, bcl, cs, ext, hsb, is, ko. [23:24:17] how do i set up the uploads? i cant find localsettings.php [23:24:28] O_O [23:24:29] like so people can upload pictures and stuff for the wiki [23:24:44] if you can't find LocalSettings.php, not being able to set uploads is the least of your problems [23:25:05] i set up the wiki awhile ago [23:25:22] *kibble doesn't know, amidaniel, can you help> [23:25:27] *kibble is helping thermin [23:31:30] is there a way of writing PHP in an article? an extention or something like that? [23:31:46] I want a template to execute some php to read a local log file [23:32:28] I could use an iFrame or something like that, but I don't want to do that... [23:33:00] Hello again! [23:33:16] so i've uploaded my first image [23:33:25] how can i add it to a page? [23:33:50] [[Image:bleh.jpg]] [23:33:53] i think [23:33:55] ah [23:33:56] thanks [23:34:07] i just put the link in the brackets [23:34:18] but didn't know i had to put Image: in front [23:34:20] carrera, a little hint, you can learn alot from checking out wikipedia :) [23:34:26] :-) [23:34:31] (true) [23:34:38] oh [23:34:39] how? [23:34:47] it uses the same software [23:34:50] by editing pages [23:34:55] its what I do, I just check an article on wikipedia that does what I do and copy their code :) [23:34:55] i know that :) [23:34:58] or just viewing them in edit mode [23:35:06] right [23:35:11] that's what i meant [23:35:22] can anyone go to edit mode then? [23:35:27] yes [23:35:28] yes [23:35:30] by clicking "edit" [23:35:31] :-) [23:35:39] at the top of all wikipedia's pages [23:35:50] (almost all) [23:35:53] i thought that'S what wikipedia is know for... [23:36:17] people still seem to be amazed that wikis work [23:36:28] wikis "work"... [23:36:51] they are a great tool, but unfortunatly, people are not always truthful or informed... [23:37:01] one day perhaps :) [23:37:22] still, its the first and greatest step towards free unified information [23:39:33] how do I create thumbnails in mw? [23:39:41] mind u, i only have one pic [23:40:00] [[Image:XXX.jpg|thumb]], or do you need to install an extension for that? [23:40:10] i.e. try it :-) [23:40:12] its not an extntion thing [23:40:24] Dodeca: I didn't think so, but I wasn't sure [23:40:30] I taipe whell! [23:40:36] its GD2 [23:41:04] but you can use the image php extension [23:48:52] 03yurik * r25838 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (145 files in 16 dirs): Merged revisions 25403-25837 via svnmerge [23:49:10] 03siebrand * r25839 10/trunk/extensions/ (20 files in 20 dirs): [23:49:10] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [23:49:10] * Fixes and additions to 20 extensions for ar, bcl, cs, hsb, is, nds. [23:49:44] oh, yurik is active [23:50:09] 03(mod) Warning: Cannot modify header information - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11272 (10ekompute) [23:54:27] 03(mod) Warning: Cannot modify header information - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11272 (10robchur) [23:58:52] So, does anyone know of an easy way to produce my own template which executes some php or something to that effect? [23:59:03] I want to read a text file into an article [23:59:08] hey guys how do i edit the nav bar again [23:59:19] Enrit: the one on the left-hand side? [23:59:24] [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]