[00:07:30] <Duesentrieb>	Dodeca: things that run php code are called extensions. they can not be created/edited inside the wiki, for security reasons. nothing creted online should be run as code on the server.
[00:13:11] <Dodeca>	Duesentrieb, this is only run localy
[00:13:22] <Dodeca>	I use a wiki as a information aggregator and organiser
[00:13:47] <Duesentrieb>	there's a runphp extension (or some such)
[00:14:09] <Dodeca>	hmmm
[00:15:38] <Duesentrieb>	Dodeca: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Runphp_page
[00:18:32] <CIA-6>	03yurik * r25840 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/ (4 files): Matched against the trunk r25837 to ease future merge process.
[00:23:09] <theremin-working>	I am just a complete idiot tonight. 
[00:23:16] <theremin-working>	is there no way to delete users? 
[00:23:33] <theremin-working>	I've searched "delete user" "user deletion" and "deleting users"
[00:23:39] <VoiceOfAll>	no
[00:29:34] <CIA-6>	03yurik * r25841 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Merged revisions 25835-25840 via svnmerge from trunk
[00:36:52] <CIA-6>	03yurik * r25842 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/includes/ (Article.php AutoLoader.php SpecialUndelete.php): Minimized changes compared to the current trunk to simplify future merge
[00:49:28] <gustavo>	Hi, how can I enable upload for an specific page?
[00:51:52] <gustavo>	Hi, how can I enable upload for an specific page?
[00:52:50] <ST47>	We heard the first time
[00:52:58] <ST47>	We just have no clue what you're talking about
[00:54:27] <AphelionZ>	Has anybody had any luck putting the edit toolbar inside a special page?
[00:55:56] <gustavo>	Hi, how can I enable upload for an specific page?
[00:57:02] *Werdna 	waves
[00:57:26] <Werdna>	!repeat | gustavo 
[00:57:26] <mwbot>	gustavo : Please do not repeat yourself too often, if little conversation has occurred since your last message then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You stand a chance of annoying people if you repeat yourself.
[00:57:35] <ST47>	;)
[00:57:47] <Werdna>	well, that was a fairly simple chem prac exam :)
[00:57:55] <Werdna>	ST47: you, have a look at http://www.devanywhere.com
[00:58:02] <ST47>	Werdna: Exams? In september?
[00:58:12] <Werdna>	ST47: year 11 preliminary
[00:58:25] <Werdna>	year 12 starts in term 4 of year 11 in NSW
[00:58:42] <ST47>	Werdna: what is this?
[00:59:32] <ST47>	Wait, I think I saw discussion of this...
[01:00:17] <ST47>	O.o There's a flower on the toolserv login screen
[01:08:37] <VoiceOfAll>	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22teh+system%22&btnG=Search
[01:08:44] <VoiceOfAll>	Results 1 - 10 of about 26,600 for "teh system". (0.05 seconds) 
[01:11:51] <Werdna>	good eeeeeevening mister VoiceOfAll 
[01:40:22] <VoiceOfAll>	domas?
[01:45:45] <alxndr>	Dodeca: if you still want to read a text file into an article, check out maintenance/importTextFile.php
[01:46:14] <Dodeca>	huh?
[01:46:28] <alxndr>	a while ago you were talking about reading a text file into an article
[01:47:20] <Dodeca>	yes, but I have no idea how to use that php file
[01:47:50] <Dodeca>	more over, from the sound of the filename, it would appear to be a way of creating an article from a textfile, which is not ideal since the file will change frequently
[01:48:18] <Dodeca>	I solved the problem by using runphp but its a less than ideal solution I thought
[01:48:27] <alxndr>	ah, i misunderstood what you were trying to do
[01:49:06] <Dodeca>	thats alright, I am essentialy reading in the apache access log in a template so that on my main page I can see any activity that has been going on
[01:49:20] <Dodeca>	simple way to make sure there are no unknown access to the wiki :)
[01:49:24] <Dodeca>	just in case
[01:50:10] <alxndr>	could run importTextFile.php from cron job...
[01:51:30] <Dodeca>	alxndr, I suppose, but I think the runphp is simpler :)
[01:51:59] <alxndr>	yeah looks like it
[01:52:31] <Dodeca>	I just wish it was possible to compile php code with wiki formatting and then compile
[01:52:50] <Dodeca>	I'll have to look at the execution ordering of the hooks and such, but it could be interesting
[02:01:06] <alxndr>	brion-office: i posted a bug yesterday that you pointed out was because of a wonky $wgServer; I realized it was because I was calling the script with --server=http://domain/ with a slash at the end. How about a note in the help string about leaving off the slash, or trimming it off of $options['server']?
[02:17:26] <_das>	Hello...I have a bogus article that appears in the deletion queue, but can't be deleted. It was an article that accidentally got greated with a full URL as the title.
[02:17:59] <_das>	It now appears as Https://www.whatever.com/blah/foo.html on the deletion page, although the article no longer exists.
[02:18:05] <_das>	Any ideas on where to look to get rid of it?
[02:19:32] <justkristin>	Might anyone out there be able to tell me how to get dumpHTML to grab my special pages as well?
[02:19:41] <justkristin>	I would greatly appreciate it...
[02:48:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Lock wikimania2007wiki database ( Disable all anonymous access) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11329 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (alexsh)
[03:05:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) generateSitemaps creates URLs with two slashes after domain - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11320  (10alxndr)
[03:11:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  We do not reject mismatched file types on upload for many extensions. Ogg, pdf, mid, sx*, svg, xcf. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10823  (10gmaxwell)
[03:53:10] <davidmccabe>	I notice that some timestamps in the sql are char, and others are varbinary. Which one should I use for new tables?
[03:53:24] <davidmccabe>	char, right?
[03:59:19] <flyingparchment>	i wasn't aware there are any varbinary/varchar timestamps.  that doesn't make much sense.
[03:59:25] <flyingparchment>	char is correct unless something changed recently
[03:59:39] <davidmccabe>	watchlist table. but yeah, char makes more sense to me.
[04:00:52] <flyingparchment>	hm.. watchlist used to do something odd like store -1 there, but i think we fixed that
[04:01:44] <davidmccabe>	according to the comments, it stores null. but I wouldn't trust that implicitly. 
[04:21:51] <CIA-6>	03rotem * r25843 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[04:21:51] <CIA-6>	* (bug 7890) Special:BrokenRedirects links deleted redirects to a non-existent page
[04:21:51] <CIA-6>	** See explanation in the bug report.
[04:21:51] <CIA-6>	* Adding some TODO notes: current implementation of Special:BrokenRedirects caching can be improved.
[04:23:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special: BrokenRedirects links deleted redirects to a non-existent page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7890  +comment (10rotemliss_public)
[04:23:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: BrokenRedirects links deleted redirects to a non-existent page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7890  -need-review -patch  (10rotemliss_public)
[05:01:25] <CIA-6>	03rotem * r25844 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES config/index.php): 
[05:01:25] <CIA-6>	* Fix initial statistics when installing: add correct values
[05:01:25] <CIA-6>	* Clarification in installation: "Initializing data" => "Initializing statistics"
[05:04:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Warning: Cannot modify header information - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11272  (10ekompute)
[05:08:53] <CIA-6>	03rotem * r25845 10/trunk/phase3/config/index.php: Making sure the statistics don't have to be regenerated.
[05:30:41] <akabuddy>	im trying to edit the css and i notice some of the text in the p-personal area wont change color, and when i look at the index file after it's been parsed i see it doesnt have class="new" like the username and mytalk has
[05:31:05] <akabuddy>	where can i actually find where it outputs that text so i can add class="new"
[05:33:18] <alxndr>	what are you trying to change in #p-personal?
[05:34:57] <akabuddy>	well the text color
[05:35:14] <akabuddy>	ive been able to text color of the uername and the my talk link
[05:35:45] <alxndr>	you can change them directly with #pt-userpage and #pt-mytalk
[05:35:50] <akabuddy>	the perfrence and watchlist and so onm those links are unaltered
[05:36:00] <alxndr>	what's the css you're using?
[05:36:23] <akabuddy>	editing in main.css in the mono... folder
[05:37:30] <alxndr>	right, what's the style definition you're using to change colors? it sounds to me like you're changing links that have class="new", which is links that don't have articles yet, which doesn't apply to the preferences and watchlist and other links like that.
[05:39:03] <akabuddy>	ok i see what you mean
[05:39:25] <akabuddy>	on pages other then the index page now, they are no longer the color i originally specified
[05:40:30] <alxndr>	if you copy the style definiton you used to change text colors, i can probably tell you why it's not changing all the links in p-personal.
[05:41:09] <alxndr>	i mean, if you copy it here
[05:42:20] <alxndr>	(if it's more than one line use that link in the channel topic)
[05:45:56] <akabuddy>	found it
[05:54:17] <akabuddy>	next question how does that "on this day" table work, does it automatically choose events that happened
[05:58:47] <alxndr>	think it's just a template
[06:09:22] <CIA-6>	03david * r25846 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (3 files in 2 dirs): User talkpage messages that seem to work.
[06:31:50] <davidmccabe>	Am I allowed to depend on MySQL 4.1 as opposed to 4.0?
[06:32:50] <flyingparchment>	if it's in an extension, yes
[06:32:59] <davidmccabe>	But not in MW core?
[06:33:01] <flyingparchment>	(but then your extension won't be used on wikipedia)
[06:33:08] <davidmccabe>	k, thanks.
[06:33:09] <flyingparchment>	no, core code must work on 4.0.something.. 41 i think
[06:33:12] <flyingparchment>	er, 21
[06:33:20] *davidmccabe 	glares at domas.
[06:36:00] <davidmccabe>	'on duplicate key update' seems like such an obvious feature. 
[06:41:19] <Kahusi_>	"fatal error" was given when I upgraded MW....
[06:46:24] <davidmccabe>	Kahusi_: Not enough information to help.
[06:47:04] <Kahusi_>	> Fatal error: Call to undefined method ParserOutput::getDisplayTitle() in /virtual/kahusi/public_html/wiki.kahusi.org/includes/OutputPage.php on line 382
[06:47:13] <Kahusi_>	See also http://wiki.kahusi.org/
[06:50:08] <CIA-6>	03david * r25847 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Undo.
[06:50:13] <davidmccabe>	Three woots for undo!
[06:50:31] <Dodeca>	woot!
[06:51:11] <CIA-6>	03david * r25848 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtModel.php: oops
[06:53:58] <Kahusi_>	I upgraded MW with 1.11.0 in 1.10.1 (Re-run the installer)
[06:55:04] <CIA-6>	03david * r25849 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (23 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[06:55:04] <CIA-6>	Merged revisions 25804-25848 via svnmerge from
[06:55:04] <CIA-6>	svn+ssh://david@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3
[06:55:04] <CIA-6>	........
[06:55:04] <CIA-6>	 r25812 | catrope | 2007-09-12 08:09:07 -0700 (Wed, 12 Sep 2007) | 3 lines
[06:55:04] <CIA-6>	 (bug 11308) Allow the API to output the image metadata
[06:55:06] <CIA-6>	 Patch by Brian Tong Minh
[06:56:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lock wikimania2007wiki database (Disable all anonymous access) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11329   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[06:58:14] <_wooz>	lo
[07:01:13] <Kahusi_>	Is the one where I returned to from backup early....?
[07:17:00] <alxndr>	Kahusi_: there isn't a function getDisplayTitle() at the end of includes/ParserOutput.php?
[07:19:27] <Kahusi_>	mmm...? The 164th line of the ParserOutput.php ?
[07:19:53] <SlimG2>	When I'm logged in, I get the same mainpage as the anonymous user, but when I'm entering another page it's displayed correctly as if I'm properly logged in
[07:21:22] <SlimG2>	my user is a bureucrat and sysop
[07:22:33] <SlimG2>	If I add the "&action=edit" to the url I'm allowed to edit the mainpage
[07:26:44] <Kahusi_>	ah.. Will it be Priv that the user name that is not oneself becomes the bold-face in ChatZilla?
[07:27:44] <alxndr>	Kahusi_: yeah that's the one. have you tried disabling extensions?
[07:30:54] <Kahusi_>	oops. "Please register!" :P
[07:31:04] <Kahusi_>	<Priv
[08:18:18] <raf256>	how to have a <pre> text?
[08:18:34] <raf256>	that is, fixed width font and making all enters to be <br /
[08:19:05] <flyingparchment>	type <pre>
[08:19:51] <raf256>	orly?
[08:20:10] <puzzlet>	close with </pre>
[08:20:48] <raf256>	what is the upper/lower case naming convention?
[08:21:12] <puzzlet>	naming convention for tags?
[08:21:14] <raf256>	in example Im describing an Orc Mage (from a game) how should it be
[08:21:27] <raf256>	like [[orc mage]] or [[Orc Mage]] or [[Orc mage]] or what
[08:21:29] <puzzlet>	in Wikipedia?
[08:21:40] <raf256>	actually in other wiki - for one computer game
[08:21:46] <raf256>	but I wonder how you handle it in wikipedia
[08:23:26] <puzzlet>	please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NC
[08:25:22] <raf256>	thx
[08:25:39] <raf256>	and how should I handle redirections, in example
[08:25:51] <raf256>	links to [[rings]] should lead to [[ring]]
[08:26:02] <puzzlet>	#redirect [[ring]]
[08:26:15] <raf256>	where do I put it?
[08:26:19] <raf256>	in the source of [[rings]] page?
[08:26:27] <puzzlet>	yes
[08:26:29] <raf256>	thanks
[08:26:43] <raf256>	how secure is wikimedia btw?
[08:26:57] <TheFearow>	Quite secure
[08:26:58] <raf256>	is it a good solution to have a page edited by closed community of editors?
[08:27:06] <raf256>	(but viewable by any one)
[08:27:06] <TheFearow>	Open editing isnt bad
[08:27:10] <TheFearow>	You can easily undo any edits
[08:27:20] <TheFearow>	Theres an undo button in history even :)
[08:27:32] <raf256>	can I have a wiki where only admins create pages and edit them
[08:27:49] <raf256>	but users can send their contributions by edit, althoug the edit waits approval before showing up?
[08:28:17] <raf256>	so, I click edit, I edit, and when I click save the change is not visible (or better - visible only for me) then admin confirms the edit and everyone see it
[08:28:41] <SlimG2>	How do I define a line in the wiki to be "anchored" ? can't seem to find it on the help pages
[08:28:43] <Raymond_>	raf256: have a look at the FlaggedRev extension
[08:28:50] <raf256>	oki
[08:29:03] <raf256>	and how secure is wiki
[08:29:11] <raf256>	in terms of code beeing hackable
[08:29:23] <Raymond_>	raf256: still beta, we are awaiting a beta test shortly for the German wikipedia
[08:29:29] <raf256>	for example PhpBB was exploited many times because of bugs in engine. and media wiki?
[08:29:37] <raf256>	was there exploits in mediawiki?
[08:29:46] <TheFearow>	Not as many bugs
[08:29:47] <TheFearow>	Every program has exploits
[08:29:52] <TheFearow>	MediaWiki doesnt have a huge number
[08:30:14] <puzzlet>	MediaWiki 1.10 is still beta?
[08:30:22] <Raymond_>	no real exploits known at the moment.
[08:30:30] <TheFearow>	No, the flagged rev system
[08:30:57] <Raymond_>	puzzlet: no. 1.11 is a release, 1.12alpha is a beta :)
[08:31:30] <TheFearow>	Raymond_: Technically its an alpha, which is different
[08:31:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Improper use of WebRequest::getIntOrNull() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11330 trivial; low; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (emil)
[08:31:52] <TheFearow>	We just had to cover the differences in class - who knew they were totally different
[08:32:04] <Raymond_>	TheFearow: I know :) butI like to confuse with alpha/beta 
[08:32:27] <SlimG2>	How do I define a line in the wiki to be "anchored" ? can't seem to find it on the help pages and the method seems to differ between wikiengines
[08:32:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improper use of WebRequest::getIntOrNull() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11330  (10emil)
[08:33:27] <Raymond_>	SlimG2: all headers (== this is a section ==) are anchors.
[08:33:35] <TheFearow>	SlimG2: <span id="ANCHORNAME"></span> might do it - or <a id="ANCHORNAME"></a> if you have raw HTML
[08:34:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improper use of WebRequest::getIntOrNull() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11330  (10emil)
[08:34:27] <SlimG2>	thanks Raymond_
[08:35:00] <Raymond_>	SlimG2: you can use  [[pagename#this is a section]]. or as TheFearow suggests
[08:35:32] <raf256>	when Im writting a list of rings how to name article with the list (and general info on rings)?  [[rings]] or  [[ring]] ?
[08:36:11] <TheFearow>	For a list, i'd recommend "List of rings" or "List of Rings"
[08:37:36] <raf256>	TheFearow: I think that the list and general article should be put togeather here for comfortability
[08:37:50] <raf256>	if I will have it togeather then how to name it, single or pluaral?
[08:37:51] <TheFearow>	Maybe Rings then
[08:37:57] <TheFearow>	Plural
[08:37:57] <raf256>	mhm I think so also
[08:38:08] <TheFearow>	It's really up to you - as long as you create the other as a redirect, it should work fine
[08:39:05] <Cobi>	Why can't you export user .js pages?
[08:40:03] <TheFearow>	No idea
[08:44:02] <raf256>	how can I create a category of page
[08:44:06] <raf256>	in example category "Monsters"
[08:44:24] <raf256>	pages in this category would have a frame on the top with text like "This page describes a monster"
[08:44:37] <raf256>	you know, thoes nice colored frames on top of some articles with icons
[08:44:54] <raf256>	also it would be nice to have later auto-generated, sorted, list of all articles in this category
[08:45:05] <TheFearow>	Thats whats in the category page
[08:45:08] <TheFearow>	And you want a template
[08:46:36] <raf256>	how do I create a category say Monsters, how to use it when creating in example Ogre Mage, and how to paste somewhere list of all items in this cat?
[08:52:04] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r25850 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage_body.php): *Type/remove cruft var
[08:56:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) some Functions don't Work with PostgreSQL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11331 major; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (n.kaiser)
[09:09:07] <TheFearow>	On wikinews two admins deleted the same article at the same time - looks weird in the RC
[09:09:43] <Duesentrieb>	*headesplode*
[09:10:45] <TheFearow>	I would have thought mediawiki would check its not already deleted
[09:14:20] <Duesentrieb>	it probably checks against a slave. if the slave is lagged by a few seconds, double-deletion might occurr. Probably not a problem.
[09:21:18] <akabuddy>	how is it people add buttons to the edit page so different things can be added to the edit box
[09:23:13] <VoiceOfAll>	http://open.wikiblogplanet.com/
[09:23:23] <VoiceOfAll>	heh, "Lorna Morgan" is now deleted
[09:24:38] <VoiceOfAll>	I hope none of those will have bad info posted from deleted pages though
[09:25:47] <TheFearow>	akabuddy: [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] I believe
[09:30:45] <pmatthaei>	hello. we want to upload pdf files for example to our private wiki, but it seems for me as we can only upload images and audio files
[09:30:52] <pmatthaei>	is there any solution for that?
[09:31:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	define the $wgFileExtensions array in your LocalSettings.php
[09:31:44] <Jack_Phoenix>	for example: $wgFileExtensions = array ('png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'ico', 'mp3', 'svg', 'pdf' );
[09:31:45] <Duesentrieb>	pmatthaei: read the faq
[09:31:53] <Duesentrieb>	Jack_Phoenix: don't spoil people so much :)
[09:31:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	hehe <g>
[09:32:39] <akabuddy>	pmatthaei http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions
[09:33:17] <akabuddy>	unrelated this is such a helpful page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edithelppage /sarcasn
[09:33:21] <akabuddy>	sarcasm
[09:33:24] <pmatthaei>	thanks akabuddy and Jack_Phoenix 
[09:33:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[09:42:13] <akabuddy>	im still confused on the inserting text into edit boxes
[09:42:20] <akabuddy>	i see examples like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert
[09:42:49] <akabuddy>	but not alot of explanation on what code to write or where to enter anything
[10:13:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single login on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  (10fearow00)
[10:18:39] <raf256>	how to paste a colored text?
[10:18:46] <raf256>	(in example from linux terminal)
[10:19:10] <raf256>	how to paste on the wiki a copy/paste from linux shell -with- colors?
[10:20:28] <archivist>	write a program to convert to wiki syntax
[10:22:38] <Duesentrieb>	basically you need ANSI-to-HTML conversion.
[10:23:09] <Duesentrieb>	but usually, the terminal emulator will not include coloring in the stuff it sends to the clipboard. that would probably require quite a bit of hackery
[10:23:18] <Duesentrieb>	all this is unrelated to mediawiki
[10:23:19] <raf256>	Duesentrieb: yeah :/
[10:24:21] <raf256>	how to rename page foo to bar
[10:25:37] <TheFearow>	raf256: Click the move button
[10:42:05] <raf256>	why  [[poison poisoned]]   is displayed as text "poison poisoned"  instead beeing a link to poison with title poisoned?
[10:42:47] <ST47>	You need a | between the two
[10:43:00] <ST47>	Because spaces are valid in wikilinks
[10:43:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	(thankfully - ugly underscores are awful!)
[10:43:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	like [[poison|poisoned]]
[10:43:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	or [[poison]]ed ;)
[10:47:00] <raf256>	how to link to [[foo]] from inside the <pre> block?
[10:49:10] <ST47>	bugzilla seems to be broken: The emails - the first contains comment 50, the next one has 50 and 51, the next, 50 through 52, and so on :)
[10:49:13] <ST47>	:(
[10:59:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Nonexistant language subdomains of .wikinews list wrong info - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11229  (10fearow00)
[11:03:33] <hojjat>	Is it true that developers teste 1.11 for Wikimedia projects yesterday, and then reverted back to 1.10 because it wasn't stable?
[11:04:15] <flyingparchment>	wikimedia doesn't run release versions, it runs svn trunk
[11:05:00] *hojjat 	thought the same, so won't believe what he asked, himself
[11:05:07] <_wooz>	hojjat: where did you get your info ?
[11:05:08] <TimStarling>	we've been on 1.11 since 1.10 was released
[11:05:24] <ialex>	and now we are on 1.12 alpha :)
[11:05:27] <TimStarling>	yep
[11:05:33] <hojjat>	someone claimed a temoprary bug was caused by such a change
[11:05:44] <hojjat>	a bug where, for a second, all text sizes changed, etc
[11:05:47] <flyingparchment>	someone is an idiot :)
[11:05:57] <_wooz>	MediaWiki: 1.12alpha (r25833) on mediawiki.org
[11:05:57] <_wooz>	o)
[11:05:58] <TimStarling>	no, that one is true
[11:05:59] <hojjat>	I think it is either a bug with the browser, or a server mid-way
[11:06:07] <TimStarling>	but it was in trunk, it wasn't released
[11:06:09] <hojjat>	TimStarling, go on?
[11:06:32] <hojjat>	TimStarling, but we run the trunk in Wikimedia, don't we?
[11:06:49] <TimStarling>	we're well past that point now, the change in question has been reverted
[11:06:50] <hojjat>	Which means, a bug in trunk will affect these wikis when commited
[11:07:08] <hojjat>	TimStarling can you give me a link to a diff or something?
[11:07:12] <hojjat>	I'm feeling curiuos
[11:07:24] <TimStarling>	no, we don't update the live site immediately after commit
[11:07:37] <TimStarling>	we do a review, manually update, then we had some bug reports so we rolled back
[11:07:48] <hojjat>	great
[11:07:51] <hojjat>	and wise
[11:07:53] <TimStarling>	we're not stuck with the head version no matter what
[11:09:04] <TimStarling>	the problem with the header font sizes was r25706
[11:10:09] <hojjat>	thanks
[11:12:17] <hojjat>	TimStarling, what was that change supposed to do?
[11:12:23] *hojjat 	pokes Simetrical
[11:12:55] <TimStarling>	maybe you should read the wikitech-l post about it
[12:03:18] <raf256>	how to do two level list?
[12:03:30] <raf256>	to have a smaller list inside top-level list item
[12:09:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) [Wish] allow .kvtml files for Wikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11332 15enhancement; low; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (matthias.spam)
[12:15:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [Wish] allow .kvtml files for Wikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11332  (10triyork)
[12:20:09] <CIA-6>	03abernala * r25851 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/ (SpecialUpload.php api/ApiUploadFile.php): internalProcessUpload added. processUpload without input parameters as original code.
[12:27:40] <VoiceOfAll>	TimStarling: gmorning :)
[12:28:02] <TimStarling>	hello
[12:29:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	hey Tim and VoiceOfAll :)
[12:35:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) change namespace "Wikibooks:" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11333 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (AheunHana)
[12:36:39] <domas>	uhm, this reminds me that adler is available
[12:36:51] <domas>	no need to rebuild datastore there
[12:37:02] <domas>	its friday, we can live with less servers!
[12:37:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) change namespace "Wikibooks:" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11333   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[12:37:56] <domas>	wrong channel, sorry!
[12:39:08] <misty_wrk>	Duesentrieb: sorry I didn't respond yesterday -- I had to go home!
[12:39:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [Wish] allow .kvtml files for Wikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11332   +shell (10triyork)
[12:39:14] <misty_wrk>	there must be a time difference
[12:42:13] <VoiceOfAll>	TimStarling: any eta on when someone might give log_id a try? :D
[12:42:15] *VoiceOfAll 	ducks
[12:42:39] <TimStarling>	nope
[12:43:23] <brion-office>	morning
[12:43:29] <VoiceOfAll>	hello
[12:43:34] <VoiceOfAll>	just in time XD
[12:44:47] <raf256>	how to make disambuignity page?
[12:48:02] <VoiceOfAll>	brion-office: going off to any presentations soon?
[12:50:29] <Duesentrieb>	raf256: by hand. make yourself a nice template if you like.
[12:52:28] <brion-office>	VoiceOfAll: orlando on the 27th
[12:53:16] <CIA-6>	03erik * r25852 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[12:53:16] <CIA-6>	first (still incomplete and hackish) stab at new expression UI
[12:53:16] <CIA-6>	to activate, change namespace handler for Expression namespace from
[12:53:16] <CIA-6>	'OmegaWiki' to 'ExpressionPage'.
[13:04:44] <misty_wrk>	uhoh, I have a problem
[13:05:08] <misty_wrk>	I installed mediawiki from the website and trying to migrate from my distribution's bundled version
[13:05:13] <brion-office>	oh my
[13:05:28] <misty_wrk>	everything is ok except that the images don't seem to be found.  My dist had them in 'uploads'
[13:05:51] <misty_wrk>	I saw that the default is 'images' so I copied the old 'uploads' directory to 'images' in the new directory.  Thought maybe they would magically be seen
[13:06:11] <misty_wrk>	I'm able to upload new ones and it puts them in the directory, but doesn't see the old ones
[13:06:16] <misty_wrk>	I'm sure I did somethign stupid.
[13:07:20] <misty_wrk>	oh.  I think I see what I did, the images directory already existed so I put the uploads directory inside it.  Stupid stupid
[13:08:58] <misty_wrk>	no :/
[13:09:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sort Special:Linksearch by namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11334 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (innocentkiller)
[13:10:39] <AzaTht>	brion-office: any chance of looking at bug 11290
[13:10:43] <misty_wrk>	ok it's fine, the image I was checking was cached or something.  Sorry for flooding the channel
[13:11:00] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Sort Special:Linksearch by namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11334  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[13:11:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Namespace filter in Special:Linksearch - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7804  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[13:11:40] <feltipen>	anyone know of an extension that places input boxes in &editintro= that transfer information into the edit box?
[13:11:54] <brion-office>	AzaTht: mebbe later
[13:12:23] <AzaTht>	okidoki
[13:12:49] <AzaTht>	trying to implemet a new solution for bug 8249 so that can be closed
[13:13:04] <AzaTht>	though still I want someone to make a working solution for bug 5678
[13:13:53] <misty_wrk>	Should I have all my categories in one top-level category?  I'm looking at the CategoryTree extension and it seems to expect so
[13:14:32] <^demon>	Raymond_: Thanks for finding the dupe, I must've missed it in my search so I opened a new one.
[13:18:43] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: if you want a complete tree, then yes, it has to have a root.
[13:18:50] <AzaTht>	brion-office: would it be possible to introduce a alternative main namespace named "Main" for example?
[13:19:02] <brion-office>	...why?
[13:19:07] <AzaTht>	i.e. Main:Foo and Foo is the same
[13:19:16] <misty_wrk>	Duesentrieb: ok
[13:19:21] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: you don't have *all* categories in teh root, though. you have the top-level categories in teh root. 
[13:19:37] <^demon>	AzaTht: You could just set up Main: as a namespace alias.
[13:19:44] <AzaTht>	ok
[13:20:53] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: on a large project, the top-level categories are usually meta-categories that do not contain pages, only other categories. for example, they might be "topic categories", "maintenance categories", "user categories", "license categories", "policy categories", "template categories", etc
[13:27:08] <misty_wrk>	Duesentrieb: right, I understand.  But I want to show them.
[13:27:15] <misty_wrk>	because I want this tree to be on the very main page
[13:27:26] <misty_wrk>	it's ok, I made an All category and put all the top-level ones in it
[13:27:26] <Duesentrieb>	just show whatever level you want.
[13:27:52] <Duesentrieb>	my comment was just a general hint on "upper" category structuring
[13:28:13] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. content topics are not the only useful criterion for categorization
[13:28:15] <misty_wrk>	right
[13:28:41] <misty_wrk>	I don't think my users will be savvy enough to search for the article they want to find, they would rather drill down to it
[13:29:10] <Duesentrieb>	navigating a hierarchical structure is easier than typing a word in a search box?
[13:29:21] <Duesentrieb>	(though admittedly, the default search sucks)
[13:29:37] <misty_wrk>	maybe more intiutive to a population that has never used a wiki
[13:30:22] <misty_wrk>	anyway I want to give them both ways
[13:31:02] <misty_wrk>	And it's working great :) thanks for a great extension
[14:03:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser functions to obtain talk page, namespace, talk namespace, basename, etc. for named targets - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8249  (10azatoth)
[14:03:42] <AzaTht>	brion-office: lokkilokki? ↑
[14:06:33] <atodorovic>	g'day all
[14:08:50] <atodorovic>	I was wondering if anyone would be able to help with an issue I'm having with Mediawiki:Common.css and Common.js, I populate the pages in question, but the css templates dont seem to be applied at all to any of the styles the wiki employs, is there anything else I should be doing in order to get this running... Thanks
[14:09:33] <Duesentrieb>	atodorovic: clear your browser cache.
[14:09:54] <atodorovic>	Duesentrieb:tried that Duesentrieb
[14:10:04] <Duesentrieb>	what's the url of your site?
[14:11:39] <atodorovic>	it's actually behind httpauth atm, since it's a private development project
[14:11:46] <ialex>	atodorovic: wich version of mediawiki ?
[14:12:04] <atodorovic>	1.11.0
[14:12:46] <Duesentrieb>	atodorovic: make sure you didn't set $wgUseSiteCss and $wgUseSiteJs to false
[14:13:28] *atodorovic 	is checking
[14:15:39] <Duesentrieb>	atodorovic: look at the html source of any wiki page. search for MediaWiki:Common.css
[14:15:50] <brion-office>	AzaTht: will peek it later today
[14:15:51] <Duesentrieb>	if it's there, load that exact path in your browser. see what it gives you
[14:15:54] <brion-office>	or maybe later
[14:15:55] <brion-office>	who knows :D
[14:16:51] <cary-office>	Hello
[14:16:56] <Duesentrieb>	brion-office: when you go into "looking at things" mode... the Gadgets extension is waiting for your attention :)
[14:17:07] <Duesentrieb>	hey cary-office 
[14:17:08] <cary-office>	Is there any Magic Text that will tell us where the physical location of an image is?
[14:17:16] <cary-office>	hey Duesentrieb, LTNS 
[14:17:24] <Duesentrieb>	hehe
[14:17:24] <^demon>	cary-office: Nope.
[14:17:25] <Duesentrieb>	cary-office: Special:Filepath
[14:17:35] <cary-office>	Like: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/e/e0/WikiFavsNews1.jpg
[14:17:36] <Duesentrieb>	hehe
[14:17:42] <misty_wrk>	ohh, yes!  LDAP auth!
[14:17:50] <Duesentrieb>	don't know if there's a parser function for it to be able to *show* it somehere
[14:18:03] <cary-office>	That's important :(
[14:18:07] <Duesentrieb>	but you can use Special:Filepath to directly link there: Special:Filepath/Foo.jpg redirects you
[14:18:14] <cary-office>	brion: I need an extension!
[14:18:18] <cary-office>	fast!
[14:18:38] *cary-office 	comes over there
[14:18:40] <Duesentrieb>	cary-office: what for, exactly?
[14:19:20] <atodorovic>	Duesentrieb: MediaWiki:Common.css is being imported from what I can see in the source
[14:19:32] <cary-office>	It's for the Fundraisesr
[14:19:37] <Duesentrieb>	atodorovic: try to load it directly (put the url into the browser's address bar)
[14:19:46] <cary-office>	I need it to create "copy-paste" boxes for fundraising buttons
[14:20:01] <cary-office>	So we don't have to "hard-code" the image path in the template each time
[14:20:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update for the Greek language (el) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11335 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (dds)
[14:20:22] <Duesentrieb>	cary-office: then use Special:Filepath. you can directly use it instead of the file's real localtion.
[14:20:39] <atodorovic>	Duesentrieb: http://rafb.net/p/GRsN6Y33.html (paste from the pageheader
[14:20:46] <cary-office>	Duesentrieb: I have to create templates
[14:21:03] <Duesentrieb>	atodorovic: again: load it directly.
[14:21:09] <Duesentrieb>	see what you get.
[14:21:28] <Duesentrieb>	cary-office: but why do you need to have the *real* location in the templates? there's no reason for that.
[14:21:35] <cary-office>	that takes an image and pastes the HTML in a box
[14:21:42] <cary-office>	Duesentrieb: So people can load the images on to their website
[14:21:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for the Greek language (el) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11335  (10dds)
[14:21:57] <cary-office>	off-site websites
[14:22:51] <Duesentrieb>	cary-office: yes. still. use Speial:Filepath. it works fine. try it:  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Filepath/WikiFavsNews1.jpg
[14:23:20] <atodorovic>	Duesentrieb: I can load both the common.css / .js directly as well via the ../skins/common/common.css|.js
[14:23:26] <cary-office>	But it doesn't return the text
[14:23:31] <cary-office>	of the URL
[14:23:39] <brion-office>	cary-office: got an example for me to see?
[14:23:46] <cary-office>	brion: I'm working on it
[14:23:47] <Duesentrieb>	cary-office:  you can do <img src="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Filepath/WikiFavsNews1.jpg"> on any site, and it will work.
[14:23:57] <Duesentrieb>	cary-office: so, you don't need the real path. ever.
[14:24:01] <cary-office>	Duesentrieb: ahhhhh
[14:24:02] <brion-office>	Duesentrieb: rather they didn't though, that might be cache-unfriendly
[14:24:19] <cary-office>	yeah.
[14:24:28] <cary-office>	And it doesn't take into account thumbnails needed
[14:24:31] <Duesentrieb>	really? the image is still loaded from the real location
[14:24:40] <brion-office>	Duesentrieb: yeah but you're making two http reqs
[14:24:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User's Custom Javascript does not Apply to Special:Preferences, Special:Userlogin and Special:Statistics - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10005  summary (10innocentkiller)
[14:24:45] <Duesentrieb>	it does go to apache fro the redirect, yes
[14:24:47] <brion-office>	and i'm not sure whether the filepath one gets cached
[14:25:26] <Duesentrieb>	no idea either. but the image itself is cached, at least.
[14:25:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make extension home page to be a public wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11336 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[14:25:42] <Duesentrieb>	caching the redirect too would be nice, though :)
[14:26:35] <brion-office>	302 response Moved Temporarily
[14:27:12] <brion-office>	so not cacheable response
[14:27:23] <Duesentrieb>	hm... could be changed to 301 perhaps?
[14:27:27] <brion-office>	mmmmaybe
[14:27:44] <brion-office>	but that could be a problem in future
[14:28:13] <brion-office>	for instance, if/when we change to using static paths for file _versions_, so a file _name_ may refer to different urls over its lifetime
[14:28:18] <brion-office>	in fact they already may refer to different urls
[14:28:25] <Duesentrieb>	only if you would want to do redirect-based load-balancing for serving images
[14:28:26] <brion-office>	for instance you may have an image that refers to commons now
[14:28:28] <brion-office>	but to a local image later
[14:28:41] <brion-office>	so we can't make it a 301, no
[14:29:00] <Duesentrieb>	hm, true
[14:29:15] <brion-office>	anyway, if there's not already a parserfunction that returns the file path there probably should be
[14:29:20] <brion-office>	as there is one for pages :)
[14:30:10] <Duesentrieb>	yea, why not
[14:31:18] <^demon>	brion-office: I know we don't currently offer image dumps. I have a guy on OTRS asking for all of the /math image dumps. I'm assuming reply with "We don't offer image dumps right now, sorry?"
[14:32:10] <brion-office>	the texvc-generated renderings?
[14:32:20] <Duesentrieb>	hu? what for?
[14:32:21] <brion-office>	just render em on demand...
[14:32:37] <^demon>	brion-office: I'm assuming so, and he says it's so he can have an offline version of enwiki.
[14:33:02] <Duesentrieb>	^demon: arn't the statics downloadable as dumps?
[14:33:08] <Duesentrieb>	the math stuff should be in there, no?
[14:33:24] <Zizanzu_>	how do i intergrate a forum to my wiki?
[14:33:32] <^demon>	Duesentrieb: The formulas yes, but the rendering no.
[14:33:40] <Duesentrieb>	Zizanzu_: you don't
[14:33:52] <Zizanzu_>	sure?
[14:33:57] <brion-office>	^demon: we don't generally offer downloads of generated bits unless they're bundled with something like the static dumps where they're actually used
[14:34:26] <brion-office>	i don't think anyone would really want a big giant unsorted blob of math renderings from 730 separate wikis over the last few years
[14:34:36] <brion-office>	i think people would rather have just the renderings used on their site
[14:34:37] <^demon>	brion-office: I figured, just thought I'd ask before I replied.
[14:34:53] <cary-office>	How do I get a templated item to appear in a <pre>
[14:35:05] <brion-office>	so my recommendation would be to let it run on-demand, or do a full parse through the system if you want to pre-render them, say for a custom static dump
[14:35:31] <Duesentrieb>	Zizanzu_: liquidthreads has been under development for more than a year, it's not finished. it would make threadded discussion possible. there are also other extension, like TalkHere, that make it more forum-like. but the idea of a proper forum is quite different from what mediawiki is designed to be.
[14:35:57] <brion-office>	cary-office: you don't, <pre> is evil :)
[14:36:05] <Duesentrieb>	Zizanzu_: use different tools for different things. you can integrate a forum like phpbb *with* mediawiki (sharing user base, etc), but not *into* mediawiki.
[14:36:09] <cary-office>	I'm just doing a div :)
[14:42:58] <AlexSm>	so, are we going to see LiquidThreads in Wikimedia projects in foreseeable future?
[14:44:46] *cary-office 	grumbles about {{#if}} and pipes and tables
[14:45:11] <cary-office>	brion-office: here -> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2007/web_buttons#Banners_.26_Buttons
[14:45:25] <cary-office>	Now that should be an input box
[14:45:30] <cary-office>	textarea
[14:45:47] <cary-office>	but I don't know how to make that using wikiscripting
[14:46:01] <^demon>	cary-office: It looks rather...not right.
[14:46:18] <cary-office>	^demon: Because it's a div and not a textarea
[14:47:45] <brion-office>	hmmmm
[14:48:25] <cary-office>	brion-office: You see what I'm trying to do, right?
[14:48:43] <brion-office>	i see what you did there
[14:48:46] *brion-office 	pokes at it
[14:49:40] *cary-office 	runs away in tears
[14:51:17] <MinuteElectron>	Haha, classic case of two people in the same office using IRC to talk to each other.
[14:51:38] <^demon>	brion-office: I have another user complaining on OTRS about our search :-P
[14:52:15] <brion-office>	what about it?
[14:52:46] <^demon>	They want a "Did you mean to search for..." a la Google/Yahoo
[14:52:59] <brion-office>	great, they'll have it when it works reliably and is efficient
[14:53:36] <misty_wrk>	there is an extension for htat
[14:53:38] <misty_wrk>	DidYouMean
[14:53:42] <brion-office>	cary-office: i tweaked the template a little for now; i'll check on the parser function for getting image url
[14:53:55] <brion-office>	^demon: it's in the works in the development branch of the search engine
[14:53:56] <misty_wrk>	I only just saw it
[14:53:59] <brion-office>	so when it's ready, it'll be ready
[14:54:02] <cary-office>	brion: you are the man
[14:54:20] <cary-office>	MinuteElectron: you gotta problem wit' dat?
[14:54:37] <MinuteElectron>	No, sorry if I offended you. I was just having a joke.
[14:54:48] <^demon>	brion-office: I'll tell them that, thanks.
[14:54:55] <cary-office>	^demon: tell them to drink poison and die.
[14:55:01] <cary-office>	:X
[14:55:11] <cary-office>	Sorry... spontaneous moment there
[14:57:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Could it be possible we could use forms(Semantic Forms) with edittools - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11337 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (roc.no1)
[14:58:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Could it be possible we could use forms(Semantic Forms) with edittools - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11337  (10roc.no1)
[15:13:06] <brion-office>	TimStarling: opinion; would you rather have a {{#filepath:blah.png}} or {{filepath:blah.png}} function?
[15:13:33] <brion-office>	i've got it ready to run without the # ;)
[15:13:44] <TimStarling>	ah, so you're a bit biased
[15:14:08] <misty_wrk>	Is anyone using the Pdf Book extension, by chance?  Just curious if it actually works
[15:14:29] <TimStarling>	I don't know
[15:15:01] <TimStarling>	in some ways it'd be nice to see the hash used consistently, and I thought the no-hash option was just for backwards compatibility when I introduced it
[15:15:13] <TimStarling>	but there's also the issue of consistency
[15:15:23] <maznaz>	Hi there. Any idea why the index page of my wiki is suddenly blank?
[15:15:25] <TimStarling>	because most of our core parser functions don't have a hash
[15:15:37] <maznaz>	Is there some common user idiocy that can cause this?
[15:19:08] <maznaz>	Totally blank page comes back. Nothing when I view source.
[15:19:52] <Erkkimon>	Hmm, I'm going to change the server. So is the handiest way to change server to just move the database and install new mediawiki software on the new server?
[15:19:59] <brion-office>	then the other cute thing i'm considering is adding a |nowiki option on it, so {{filepath:foo.png|nowiki}} returns a non-linked URL suitable for listing as text. wrapping it in <nowiki> obviously doesn't work so well as that won't interpret the function :)
[15:20:03] <brion-office>	dunno if there's a nicer way to do that
[15:20:05] <TimStarling>	maznaz: usually that is because of a PHP fatal error or a segfault
[15:21:02] <TimStarling>	well, we have {{....:R}} to do a similar thing with statistics
[15:21:20] <TimStarling>	the "raw" option
[15:21:22] <brion-office>	segfault in my experience does weirder things; apache doesn't send back headers, and browsers get confused sometimes. like they don't change the visible page from the previous page, or other weird shit
[15:21:31] <TimStarling>	hmmm
[15:21:35] <maznaz>	Hmm possibly.
[15:21:37] <TimStarling>	there is a raw prefix actually, isn't there?
[15:22:04] <brion-office>	hmmm prefix?
[15:22:22] <misty_wrk>	maznaz: you might be missing a <?php or a ?> somewhere
[15:22:26] <TimStarling>	let me find it
[15:22:37] <misty_wrk>	what is the last extension you added or last file you edited?
[15:22:39] <TimStarling>				# Check for RAW:
[15:22:40] <TimStarling>				$mwRaw =& MagicWord::get( 'raw' );
[15:22:40] <TimStarling>				if ( $mwRaw->matchStartAndRemove( $part1 ) ) {
[15:22:40] <TimStarling>					$forceRawInterwiki = true;
[15:22:40] <TimStarling>				}
[15:22:55] <brion-office>	raw interwiki? wtf
[15:23:04] <TimStarling>	yeah, my feature
[15:23:18] <TimStarling>	{{raw:somewiki:Main Page}}
[15:23:25] <brion-office>	ah for transclude
[15:23:29] <TimStarling>	for interwiki transclusion, yes
[15:23:34] <brion-office>	maybe don't wanna overload that...
[15:23:44] <TimStarling>	maybe not
[15:26:44] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r25853 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesEl.php): 
[15:26:44] <CIA-6>	* (bug 11335) Update Greek translations
[15:26:44] <CIA-6>	 Patch by Diomidis Spinellis
[15:26:54] <brion-office>	why don't i commit it with the nowiki option and you see if it makes you vomit or seems ok? :D
[15:27:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update for the Greek language (el) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11335  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:28:34] <TimStarling>	I think it will be fine
[15:30:02] <maznaz>	Sorry guys, just looking at this now.
[15:30:05] <CIA-6>	03brion * r25854 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[15:30:05] <CIA-6>	* Add {{filepath:}} parser function to get full path to an uploaded file, complementing {{fullurl:}} for pages.
[15:30:05] <CIA-6>	Giving this a |nowiki option to wrap the returned path in <nowiki>s for non-linked standalone use.
[15:30:05] <CIA-6>	Added File::getFullURL() function for cleaner calls; using full path to ensure consistency here.
[15:30:07] <maznaz>	Problem is I haven't touched it.
[15:30:12] <maznaz>	I just got a call saying the wiki has gone.
[15:30:33] <TimStarling>	maznaz: that's quite common, if you're on a shared host
[15:31:52] <TimStarling>	usually it means the host has changed the configuration in some way that breaks mediawiki
[15:32:05] <cary-office>	The phone call?
[15:32:23] <x98>	any semantic mediawiki people here?
[15:32:30] <TimStarling>	the best thing to do is to try to solve the problem yourself, because dealing with the administrators of shared hosts is often frustrating
[15:34:30] <archivist>	maznaz, switch error reporting on, thats an error in an include() and php is not telling you
[15:35:24] <seiji8>	fhm filepath: works for files on commons?
[15:38:15] <brion-office>	seiji8: yep
[15:38:24] <seiji8>	cool :)
[15:38:49] <cary-office>	woo hoo!
[15:43:40] <misty_wrk>	Is there a way for me to force an image to be displayed as a link instead of the image itself?
[15:44:06] <seiji8>	imagemap
[15:44:11] <maznaz>	I found the problem.
[15:44:11] *brion-office 	gets out the scap pants
[15:44:11] <cary-office>	[[:Image:foobar.png]]
[15:44:14] <misty_wrk>	I have a very-vary large image, I've scaled it in the [[Image]] tag.  But I want a link to download the original
[15:44:15] <maznaz>	cpanel reverted to php 4.
[15:44:21] <maznaz>	For some god only known reason.
[15:44:22] <misty_wrk>	thanks, cary-office!
[15:44:44] <cary-office>	I answered a question!
[15:44:49] <cary-office>	points for me!
[15:44:59] <ThomasV>	TimStarling: I get a 'Length Required' message from apache when trying to use WebStore for generating thumbnails. Any idea ?
[15:45:33] <TimStarling>	WebStore is still in development
[15:45:55] <ThomasV>	yeah, but it sometimes work...
[15:45:57] <misty_wrk>	perfecto
[15:46:12] <ThomasV>	I mean I had no problems n another machine
[15:46:24] <brion-office>	misty_wrk: [[media:big-ol-image.png]]
[15:46:28] <misty_wrk>	cary-office: the original image is meant to print to a wide-format plotter, and did not look wonderful displayed on the screen
[15:46:44] <cary-office>	Right
[15:46:48] <misty_wrk>	brion-office: what is media for? how is it different than image?  I have also seen file
[15:47:06] <misty_wrk>	</newbie>
[15:47:10] <brion-office>	misty_wrk: makes a link
[15:47:16] <misty_wrk>	oh
[15:47:29] <misty_wrk>	is it better than using the :, or equal?
[15:47:38] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: :image: links to the description page, media: links directly to the file
[15:47:54] <Duesentrieb>	while image: inlines the image (if possible)
[15:48:11] <misty_wrk>	got it
[15:48:15] <misty_wrk>	you guys are smart
[15:48:52] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: you ran into a crowd of vips today
[15:49:08] <cary-office>	Anything to help!
[15:49:13] *cary-office 	winks
[15:49:32] <misty_wrk>	ok well I will try to keep the newbie questions to a minimum, don't want to be boring
[15:49:57] <cary-office>	misty_wrk: If nobody has time to answer your question, they won't answer
[15:50:09] <cary-office>	Or they'll send you to someone who can
[15:50:49] <misty_wrk>	mostly I have been able to find the answers online, but sometimes I don't know what it's called
[15:51:01] <Duesentrieb>	irc is good for that :)
[15:52:34] <misty_wrk>	this is such a relief after doing docbook for years
[15:53:03] <brion-office>	cary-office: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2007/web_buttons nicer? :D
[15:53:16] <cary-office>	YES!
[15:53:18] <cary-office>	Infinitely
[15:53:21] <cary-office>	woo-hoo!
[15:53:22] <brion-office>	w00t
[15:54:06] <brion-office>	can i stab the blinky ones though ? :D
[15:54:28] <cary-office>	I'd love to, but nobody else is creating any
[15:55:04] <puzzlet>	cary-office: I see you have been looking for me
[15:55:10] <cary-office>	puzzlet: Yes!
[15:55:19] <misty_wrk>	I have some feedback for your page if you want it, brion-office
[15:55:25] <cary-office>	puzzlet: i need a quick Korean proofreading
[15:55:44] <cary-office>	puzzlet: here -> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2007/Flickr_group/Korean
[15:55:49] <misty_wrk>	you might want to rename bannersdfds.png because its name makes it get blocked by a lot of ad blockers
[15:56:09] <misty_wrk>	including adzap, which a lot of organizations (including mine) use with the Squid proxy
[15:56:10] <puzzlet>	ok
[15:59:18] <TimStarling>	brion: oh, you actually put a <nowiki> tag around it
[15:59:36] <TimStarling>	does that work?
[15:59:43] <cary-office>	he's in the hallway
[15:59:50] <TimStarling>	I can wait
[16:00:18] <Duesentrieb>	cary-office: "wikimedia commons needs your free, commercial images"? what does that mean?
[16:00:26] <cary-office>	you'll have to ask Miranda
[16:00:32] <cary-office>	She first said, "non-commercial"
[16:00:37] <cary-office>	we didn't like that so much
[16:00:55] <cary-office>	I think it means "Commercially available
[16:00:59] <Duesentrieb>	just strike it
[16:01:03] <Duesentrieb>	"fee images"
[16:01:04] <puzzlet>	hmm, i don't know what "description box" is called in Korean interface
[16:01:27] <cary-office>	in Flickr?
[16:01:34] <puzzlet>	yes
[16:01:35] <Duesentrieb>	cary-office: did you see what misty_wrk said about add blockers?
[16:01:49] <cary-office>	noo
[16:01:52] <cary-office>	I missed that
[16:02:00] <andy_cro>	hi ppl
[16:02:22] <puzzlet>	do i need Yahoo ID to sign up?
[16:02:33] <cary-office>	Prolly...
[16:02:41] <cary-office>	Or you can create one
[16:02:43] <cary-office>	no, you don't
[16:02:44] <Duesentrieb>	"Wikimedia Commons - Media by the people, for the people" :)
[16:02:51] <cary-office>	Yesssss!
[16:03:27] <andy_cro>	i'm looking for channal on this nood about "support" for mediawiki software (problems with setting sysops)
[16:03:49] <andy_cro>	this channel, or?
[16:03:50] <Duesentrieb>	andy_cro: here is a good place for that
[16:03:52] <puzzlet>	i think i don't wanna sign up to Flickr only to find out what "description box" is called in Korean
[16:04:04] <cary-office>	puzzlet: heh
[16:04:09] <cary-office>	Just change it to description
[16:04:51] <andy_cro>	when i do this in mysql: UPDATE user SET user_rights='bureaucrat,sysop' WHERE user_name='XXX';
[16:05:14] <andy_cro>	i got this error: ERROR 1054: Unknown column 'user_rights' in 'field list'
[16:05:15] <Duesentrieb>	andy_cro: read the faq *again*. i fixed that entry a couple of days ago.
[16:05:22] <andy_cro>	ok, tnx :P
[16:06:18] <AzaTht>	porno wiki?
[16:06:50] <TimStarling>	I guess it does work, I see 
[16:08:32] <puzzlet>	ok i'm done
[16:16:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 3 projects for Special:Import on English Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11226  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[16:20:09] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r25855 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 
[16:20:09] <CIA-6>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[16:20:09] <CIA-6>	* bcl, bn, cs, ext, nds, sah, wa.
[16:20:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Nonexistant language subdomains of .wikinews list wrong info - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11229  (10cbrown1023)
[16:25:18] <TimStarling>	brion: I'm thinking about fixing bug 11289 by transmitting extra metadata from commons, maybe the whole serialised ParserOutput object
[16:26:50] <TimStarling>	the alternatives are things like <script> tags in the output which load the script, or special text (e.g. HTML comments) which are detected by the client side
[16:27:33] <TimStarling>	but I think those solutions are quite ugly
[16:40:43] <dvd_>	Hi, hope you can help me! I'm writing an extension and want to get GET date
[16:40:49] <dvd_>	data, sorry
[16:41:17] <jimbojw>	$_GET['param_name']
[16:41:18] <dvd_>	but I wonder how I should prepare the url, because the extension site itself is a kind of url
[16:42:10] <PunkRock>	Strange error that i have here: i define a SpecialPage that normally shows up except of if i earlier in an complete different context make an require_once for the Setup.php in the Mediawiki includes foler.
[16:42:34] <dvd_>	this don't work http://mysite.de/index.php/Spezial:myExtension&mygetdata=test123
[16:43:32] <PunkRock>	dvd_  did you try and use the ? instead of &?
[16:44:36] <PunkRock>	i am not sure, but i think that url_rewrite catches the '?'
[16:45:48] <Duesentrieb>	PunkRock: you should have no reason to include Setup.php
[16:46:33] <Duesentrieb>	dvd_: yes, parameters must be separated by ? from the path part of the url.
[16:46:58] <PunkRock>	Duesentrieb: i wrote a installation process that connects my extension to the normal mediawiki. but for that i have to load many many things for my own.
[16:47:26] <netquik>	Hi
[16:47:26] <Duesentrieb>	PunkRock: yes, for a script that is run standalone, it's ok (or rather, required)
[16:47:41] <Duesentrieb>	PunkRock: in any case, make sure that script is not loaded during normal operating
[16:47:49] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, gotta go
[16:47:57] <netquik>	I can't find how to add other buttons in edit section (like in wikipedia)
[16:48:06] <PunkRock>	Duesentrieb: but despite of that. a require_once should only be permitted if the file wasn't included before, am i wrong?
[16:48:37] <Duesentrieb>	PunkRock: it should, but php sometimes gets confused if you use different pathes to refer to the same file.
[16:48:54] <Duesentrieb>	like, if you have a // in the path or something, maybe
[16:49:00] <PunkRock>	is there smthg. like a but report on that?
[16:49:02] <Duesentrieb>	or relative vs. absolute, etc
[16:49:09] <PunkRock>	hm.
[16:49:11] <Duesentrieb>	probably
[16:49:17] <PunkRock>	i do always set $IP
[16:49:24] <Duesentrieb>	i'll go & fix dinner now, have fun :)
[16:49:26] <PunkRock>	as an absolute path.
[16:49:31] <PunkRock>	hehe
[16:49:35] <PunkRock>	thx.
[16:57:37] <wknight-away>	cary_ here?
[16:58:17] <wknight-away>	no, i guess he's at lunch
[17:01:22] <dvd_>	PunkRock: doesnt work...variable is empty
[17:02:55] <greudin>	\o
[17:04:05] <CIA-6>	03evan * r25856 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (OpenID.php README): Upgrade version numbers and dates before release.
[17:08:21] <evanpro>	SVN question
[17:08:29] <flyingparchment>	SVN answer
[17:08:39] <evanpro>	I'd like to tag a version of an extension
[17:08:40] <PunkRock>	RST
[17:08:49] <dvd_>	PunkRock: sorry, my fault, some side effects, thx!
[17:09:03] <evanpro>	Should I do it in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/tags/name-of-extension ?
[17:09:27] <flyingparchment>	evanpro: funnily enough, before you joined, i was just wondering how you were going to tag it
[17:09:37] <evanpro>	?
[17:09:46] <evanpro>	Oh, because the notifications were coming in here
[17:09:51] <asmarin>	how i can perform a backup for a custom namespace?
[17:09:51] <flyingparchment>	yes
[17:09:57] <flyingparchment>	i couldn't think of a good scheme
[17:10:01] <evanpro>	All right
[17:10:04] <evanpro>	I'll make one up, then
[17:10:14] <evanpro>	And see if I get stabbed
[17:11:01] <evanpro>	Hrm
[17:11:09] <evanpro>	Gotta do some dir building, apparently
[17:13:33] <evanpro>	wow, checking out the tags directory really sucks
[17:13:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Border option in extended image syntax broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11338 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (michaeldaly)
[17:15:21] <evanpro>	Hrm
[17:15:36] <brorbojlen>	can anyone tell me how to view a list of accounts in a wiki I created?
[17:16:35] <al_tally>	Special:Listusers?
[17:17:04] <brorbojlen>	yes! it works! thanks, al_tally
[17:17:16] <al_tally>	:)
[17:18:29] <CIA-6>	03evan * r25857 10/tags/extensions/ (. OpenID/): 
[17:18:29] <CIA-6>	Add sub-directories for tags on sub-projects. Probably the Wrong Way
[17:18:29] <CIA-6>	to Do It, but I couldn't think of a better solution without crowding
[17:18:29] <CIA-6>	the top-level tags directory.
[17:18:49] <CIA-6>	03evan * r25858 10/tags/extensions/OpenID/RELO_7_0/: Tagging the 0.7.0 release of the 'OpenID' MediaWiki extension.
[17:19:20] <brorbojlen>	oh, and is there an article on mediawiki.org on how to make it so that I have to authorise new accounts?
[17:20:46] <al_tally>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount ?
[17:20:56] <brorbojlen>	wow, thanks!
[17:20:59] <al_tally>	that makes it so only admins can create them
[17:21:27] <brorbojlen>	great!
[17:21:34] <brorbojlen>	that's perfect
[17:21:37] <al_tally>	or confirm them
[17:21:43] <al_tally>	you can change the settings
[17:22:04] <brorbojlen>	awesome.
[17:25:30] <gmer3>	As an end-user, how do you declare a string and refer to that same string multiple times on a single page?
[17:28:24] <evanpro>	gmer3: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates
[17:31:41] <gmer3>	evanpro: but the string is page-specific so I'm guessing WP frowns on templates created for only one page?
[17:32:04] <evanpro>	Maybe that question should go to #wikipedia
[17:34:44] <gmer3>	yes. I thought I could find an elegant way before it came to that, {{#replace:string|needle|product}} is the closest I could come. Thanks.
[17:36:18] <CIA-6>	03evan * r25859 10/tags/extensions/OpenID/RELO_7_0/: Gar! First zero is actually a letter O. Retrying.
[17:36:34] <CIA-6>	03evan * r25860 10/tags/extensions/OpenID/REL0_7_0/: Tagging the 0.7.0 release of the 'OpenID' MediaWiki extension.
[17:36:42] <evanpro>	That was embarrassing.
[17:46:49] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[17:48:24] <[KrusheR]>	does anone know why mediawiki generates URLs like this? http://www.frikipedia.eshttp://www.frikipedia.es?title=Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Krusher&diff=0&oldid=129861
[17:48:53] <[KrusheR]>	it duplicates the path to script sometimes...
[17:58:36] <alxndr>	if a user isn't logged in, how does ~~~~ get turned into the signature with an IP address?
[17:59:35] <Pathoschild>	alxndr: I don't know, but I'd guess it just uses variables.
[17:59:46] <cary-office>	yes
[18:00:09] <cary-office>	the default is IP and UTC time (default preferences)
[18:01:37] <alxndr>	let me clarify, Parser::getUserSig() takes a User object, i guess i'm wondering if only logged-in users are User objects, or if it's safe to pass it $wgUser when the user isn't logged in, and i'll get a signature with the IP address in it
[18:02:06] <flyingparchment>	lolcode: $u->userCan('hascheezeburger?');
[18:02:41] <[KrusheR]>	hehehe
[18:17:38] <alxndr>	to answer my own question, yes, apparently it's fine
[18:18:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) URLs in the help mode double escaped - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11296  +comment (10cannon.danielc)
[18:20:12] <akabuddy>	how can i add buttons to edit page so i create custom text to be added to the edit box
[18:21:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) On "log in" and "log out", a link to Special: Userlogin is displayed instead of a link to the page listed in the returnto = parameter - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11339 minor; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (carlb613)
[18:22:02] <amidaniel>	akabuddy: Do you want to put them under the textpane as is done on wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools> or in the js toolbar above the pane?
[18:22:46] <akabuddy>	above the edit box such as like the bold and italic buttons
[18:24:30] <amidaniel>	To do that you're going to need some familiarity with javascript, which you can stick in MediaWiki:Common.js
[18:25:26] <akabuddy>	where is this common.js
[18:26:01] <amidaniel>	Type "MediaWiki:Common.js" in the search box and hit go
[18:26:25] <amidaniel>	You might see, for example, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js> under "Extra toolbar options"
[18:26:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Configure Atom Feeds on BugZilla to Show Bug Description - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11340 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (seventowers)
[18:28:47] <akabuddy>	ok thank you very much
[18:28:59] <akabuddy>	last question on that matter
[18:29:13] <akabuddy>	where is the actually .js saved
[18:29:55] <amidaniel>	It's stored in your sql database just like a normal wiki page
[18:31:21] <akabuddy>	what so i edit the that js to add more buttons
[18:31:35] <akabuddy>	and i have to import jave script into sql
[18:32:27] <amidaniel>	akabuddy: No, you just edit it like any page on your wiki. Hit save, and voila! :)
[18:32:41] <amidaniel>	The contents of MediaWiki:Common.js are imported into every page view
[18:32:45] <amidaniel>	You don't have to worry about it
[18:33:08] <akabuddy>	except i searched for the common.js in the mediwiki folder and it doesnt exist already
[18:33:29] <akabuddy>	so im just wonder where the actual file has to be stored so it can actually be called up by the site
[18:33:51] <amidaniel>	Yes, that's normal. So you have to create [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]
[18:33:59] <amidaniel>	There is no actual "file"
[18:34:23] <akabuddy>	ok i see what your greating at
[18:34:28] <amidaniel>	It's just a page on your wiki, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js is a page on Wikipedia
[18:40:37] <rindolf>	Hi all! I'm trying to edit a section of a wiki page of mine and am consistently getting http://rafb.net/p/AZ8Nqd74.html . Can anyone help?
[18:44:28] <Duesentrieb>	rindolf: in your LocalSettings.php (near the end), set $wgShowSQLErrors = true; then try again.
[18:44:46] <Duesentrieb>	(don't forget to remove that setting once you have fixed the issue)
[18:47:56] <HardDisk_WP>	cute captchas: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/95985
[18:48:09] <HardDisk_WP>	can we implement this kind of catcha also in mediawiki?
[18:51:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ajax: add support for static function of class in $wgAjaxExportList - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11341 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (bugzilla)
[18:52:17] <amidaniel>	HardDisk_WP: Huh? So there are only two possibilities a user can input when seeing a captcha?
[18:52:58] <amidaniel>	dog and cat, that is
[18:53:06] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: no. you pick all the cat picks.
[18:53:11] <rindolf>	Duesentrieb: thanks and wait a sec.
[18:53:14] <Duesentrieb>	you have to get them all, and no dogs
[18:53:51] <HardDisk_WP>	Duesentrieb, do you know how the captchas are implemented?
[18:54:08] <Duesentrieb>	HardDisk_WP: specifically? no. 
[18:54:35] <amidaniel>	Oh, no, I see: http://www.thepcspy.com/contact
[18:54:50] <amidaniel>	Seems a bit bandwidth intensive
[18:55:36] <HardDisk_WP>	yes, that's true
[18:55:50] <amidaniel>	And I'm not sure what a "foal" is
[18:55:59] <flyingparchment>	a foal is a baby horse
[18:56:06] <amidaniel>	Aha
[18:56:24] <amidaniel>	There's no way to get a new captcha it doesn't seem
[18:56:36] <amidaniel>	I was asked to select the foals and didn't know what that was :)
[18:57:11] <alxndr>	i'm being asked to select pandas, and all the photos are broken.
[18:58:04] <rindolf>	Duesentrieb: http://rafb.net/p/8bjFZt87.html
[18:58:26] <amidaniel>	Alright, off to class
[18:58:30] <amidaniel>	Chat with you later
[19:00:09] <Duesentrieb>	rindolf: huh. fun. why would "REPLACE INTO" cause "duplicate key" error?
[19:03:51] <brorbojlen>	im trying to get the confirmaccounts extension, so i downloaded the subversion client (on a mac). i installed it, but how do i run the app?
[19:05:24] <brorbojlen>	can anyone answer that question?
[19:05:52] <Duesentrieb>	you include it in LocalSettings.php.
[19:06:00] <Duesentrieb>	see the instructions for extensions on mediawiki.org
[19:06:19] <brorbojlen>	no, i just need to find out how to run the subversion client
[19:06:34] <brorbojlen>	so i can download conformaccounts
[19:06:40] <brorbojlen>	confirmaccounts*
[19:07:13] <Duesentrieb>	brorbojlen: you run it from the console (aka terminal)
[19:07:26] <brorbojlen>	oh, okay! thanks!
[19:07:45] <Duesentrieb>	brorbojlen: but you can also download a bundeled version of the extension, if you like
[19:07:52] <Duesentrieb>	i have an unafficial repository for that
[19:08:18] <Duesentrieb>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/repository/extensions/
[19:08:25] <brorbojlen>	thanks!
[19:08:39] <Duesentrieb>	.oO(requireing people to use svn to install extensions is rather insane)
[19:08:52] <brorbojlen>	hehe
[19:09:22] <brorbojlen>	just downloaded it. that was.... surprisingly easy.
[19:14:48] <feltipen>	i wonder, is 'foobar' used in the greater programming culture or is it exclusively mediawiki
[19:15:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict move to autoconfirmed on itwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11326  (10anaconda)
[19:15:35] <MinuteElectron>	feltipen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/foobar
[19:15:38] <feltipen>	heh
[19:15:42] <feltipen>	i should've known
[19:15:44] <Duesentrieb>	feltipen: its oooold. 
[19:17:14] <cary>	wayyyy old
[19:18:19] <timichal>	soooo 19th century!
[19:19:56] <Sui_su>	is it .. a daytime ?
[19:20:09] *Sui_su 	yawns
[19:22:45] <cary>	Suisuisuisui
[19:23:04] <Sui_su>	thats my old nick ;)
[19:23:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) On "log in" and "log out", a link to Special: Userlogin is displayed instead of a link to the page listed in the returnto = parameter - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11339  (10brion)
[19:27:38] <rindolf>	Duesentrieb: do you think it's a MySQL bug?
[19:29:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) On "log in" and "log out", a link to Special: Userlogin is displayed instead of a link to the page listed in the returnto = parameter - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11339  +comment (10brion)
[19:35:40] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Border option in extended image syntax broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11338  +comment (10brion)
[19:39:58] <misty_wrk>	does anybody have a page with tips and extensions that they have found useful when starting a new wiki?
[19:40:04] <misty_wrk>	like a "must-have" list?
[19:40:26] <jeremyb>	[[Special:Version]] is prolly a good place to look :)
[19:40:35] <Jack_Phoenix>	heh, I have one - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sayuri <--- just a bit too big :P
[19:40:51] <misty_wrk>	I didn't knokw about the special page, I will look at both
[19:40:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	(don't get SpamRegex & RegexBlock if you have only one wiki - then they're not needed)
[19:41:38] <misty_wrk>	holy crap, you are famous :)
[19:42:14] <misty_wrk>	what's the geeky variant of "star-struck"? ;)
[19:42:51] <jeremyb>	i don't think Sayuri is Jack_Phoenix
[19:43:01] <jeremyb>	oh, nvm
[19:43:03] *jeremyb 	stabs self
[19:43:06] <misty_wrk>	oh
[19:43:13] *misty_wrk 	is confuzzled
[19:43:35] <jeremyb>	misty_wrk: strike my confusion and your confusion should revert
[19:43:49] <misty_wrk>	:D
[19:46:18] <BryanTM>	any api guys here who can tell me whether implementing templates=expand is a good idea?
[19:50:12] <ThomasV>	TimStarling: in WebStorePostFile.php, why is there no 'Content-Length' http header passed to the curl post request?
[19:54:21] <misty_wrk>	Jack_Phoenix: since you recommend the Special:Interwiki plugin, does that mean you actually use it?
[19:54:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	yeah
[19:54:34] <Jack_Phoenix>	it's really nice :D
[19:54:44] <misty_wrk>	I installed it, added myself to the interwiki group, and I get no new special page
[19:54:45] <jeremyb>	is that just an interwiki map?
[19:55:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	misty_wrk: Special:Interwiki ? what version of MediaWiki are you using? what did you add to LocalSettings.php?
[19:55:30] <misty_wrk>	I am using 1.11 I think
[19:55:39] <misty_wrk>	I put what the extension page said to put (blindly like a lemming)
[19:56:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	hmm...it *should* work then...
[19:56:39] <misty_wrk>	is the page just called Interwiki, when I am looking at the special page list?
[19:56:45] <misty_wrk>	or do I have to add that link to that page myself somehow?
[19:56:53] <Jack_Phoenix>	wait for a moment please
[19:57:49] <Jack_Phoenix>	The special page is titled "View and manipulate interwiki data" and it is under special pages for all users in Special:Specialpages
[19:58:06] <misty_wrk>	*blush*
[19:58:16] <misty_wrk>	I never thought of looking in the V's!
[19:58:53] <Jack_Phoenix>	hehe <g>
[20:00:03] <misty_wrk>	ok looks like it will be useful when I figure out how to use the interwiki thingt
[20:00:13] <Sui_su>	you mean project global interwiki links configuration? or in a site?
[20:00:39] <misty_wrk>	I don't knowwhat I mean
[20:00:44] <misty_wrk>	I'm a newbie
[20:00:58] <Jack_Phoenix>	hey hashar :-)
[20:01:06] <Sui_su>	kk
[20:01:19] <hashar>	dont tell anyone !
[20:01:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	hashar: you might want to fix AjaxShowEditors extension: it's not compatible with MediaWiki 1.11, one hook doesn't return a value
[20:01:57] <hashar>	oops )
[20:02:23] <hashar>	Jack_Phoenix: is there any bug report opened ?
[20:02:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	I dunno, don't think so
[20:02:38] <Jack_Phoenix>	I was too lazy to open up one ;-)
[20:03:56] <CIA-6>	03david * r25861 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (15 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[20:03:56] <CIA-6>	Merged revisions 25849-25860 via svnmerge from
[20:03:56] <CIA-6>	svn+ssh://david@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3
[20:03:56] <CIA-6>	........
[20:03:56] <CIA-6>	 r25853 | raymond | 2007-09-14 08:26:21 -0700 (Fri, 14 Sep 2007) | 2 lines
[20:03:56] <CIA-6>	 * (bug 11335) Update Greek translations
[20:03:58] <CIA-6>	 Patch by Diomidis Spinellis
[20:06:52] <CIA-6>	03david * r25862 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtModel.php: Fixed amazingly stupid trivial bug.
[20:07:00] <BryanTM>	$this->mTitles[] = $title;
[20:07:09] <BryanTM>	why not $this->mTitles[$pageId] = $title; ?
[20:07:15] <BryanTM>	in ApiPageSet.php
[20:15:09] <misty_wrk>	Is it worth it to integrate FCKeditor or similar? or is it quicker to just write the wiki markup by hand?
[20:23:59] <cary>	Adriaan: Welcome
[20:24:10] <cary>	Nice to have a South African on the channel
[20:24:14] <cary>	seen Jimbo?
[20:24:30] <Adriaan>	Thanks. How do you know I am South African? Jimbo Wales?
[20:24:43] <Adriaan>	Oh you can right click on me... nice...
[20:24:46] <cary>	dsl-244-204-24.telkomadsl.co.za
[20:24:51] <cary>	za za za za 
[20:24:52] <Adriaan>	lol :P
[20:25:05] <Adriaan>	What do you mean did I see Jimbo?
[20:25:07] <cary>	The same way I know inkhorn is Canadian
[20:25:10] <cary>	Jimbo is in South Africa ATM
[20:25:16] <Adriaan>	Oh cool
[20:25:51] <misty_wrk>	ok I don't think I will use fckeditor but some of my users might like it
[20:27:25] <misty_wrk>	How can I keep my categories from showing up as Orphaned Pages?
[20:28:20] <HardDisk_WP>	can I force eject a CDROM drive even if it is used in linux?
[20:28:37] <cary>	duh, though this was commons channel
[20:28:45] <cary>	that's why I was so conversant
[20:28:48] <misty_wrk>	yes HardDisk
[20:28:57] <misty_wrk>	you can force unmounting it
[20:29:06] <HardDisk_WP>	misty_wrk, how?
[20:29:11] <misty_wrk>	or you can kill the process that is using it, that is better
[20:29:20] <HardDisk_WP>	i cant that
[20:29:21] <misty_wrk>	fuser /dev/cdrom (or really the realy device, not the symlink)
[20:29:24] <HardDisk_WP>	it's wine setup
[20:29:40] <HardDisk_WP>	so i cant
[20:29:40] <misty_wrk>	wine needs it ejected?
[20:29:46] <HardDisk_WP>	yep
[20:29:49] <HardDisk_WP>	gta vice city
[20:29:56] <misty_wrk>	umount -f I believe
[20:29:59] <misty_wrk>	rtfm to be sure :)
[20:30:14] <HardDisk_WP>	doesnt work^^
[20:30:27] <misty_wrk>	then you have to use the paperclip method lol
[20:30:41] <qsheets>	MEDIAWIKI 1.11.0 HAS A HUGE PROBLEM\
[20:30:44] <HardDisk_WP>	doesnt umount it^^
[20:30:47] <misty_wrk>	you may not be able to get your OS to realize you have a new cd in it
[20:30:58] <misty_wrk>	qsheets: whew, take a deep breath :)
[20:30:58] <HardDisk_WP>	:X
[20:31:19] <misty_wrk>	HardDisk_WP: methinks that perhaps your app is not really wine compatible
[20:31:57] <HardDisk_WP>	gta vice city is wine compat
[20:32:09] <misty_wrk>	then someone must know how to handle the cd change
[20:32:19] <misty_wrk>	did you ask in #wine or look on winehq for setup notes?
[20:32:27] <HardDisk_WP>	they suggest to have a second disk drive
[20:32:33] <HardDisk_WP>	i am gta vc maintainer^^
[20:32:48] <misty_wrk>	ooh ooh I have an idea
[20:32:54] <qsheets>	misty_wrk: I change a value to false LocalSettings.php and site doesn't work...change it back and site works again
[20:33:02] <misty_wrk>	copy the contents of all CDs to a directory and make an ISO of them
[20:33:06] <qsheets>	*in Loca...
[20:33:14] <misty_wrk>	well, what value is it?
[20:33:37] <qsheets>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit']
[20:33:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MediaWiki:Returnto displays a link to "Main Page" instead of the actual page when trying to edit a protected page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11342 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (mets501wiki)
[20:34:08] <HardDisk_WP>	misty_wrk, thats also a idea...but i need something easy
[20:34:15] <misty_wrk>	well that is easy
[20:34:26] <HardDisk_WP>	doing ISO images?
[20:34:33] <misty_wrk>	yeah
[20:34:48] <misty_wrk>	use mkisofs
[20:35:12] <HardDisk_WP>	^^
[20:35:16] <misty_wrk>	or you can make the iso from windows with DoISO or MkISO or something like that, for free
[20:35:32] <misty_wrk>	this is freak-out city in #mediawiki today
[20:35:33] <misty_wrk>	lol
[20:36:29] *qsheets 	is freaking out!
[20:36:57] <misty_wrk>	I don't even have that setting in my LocalSettings.php
[20:37:01] <misty_wrk>	did you think of commenting it out?
[20:37:14] <misty_wrk>	it probably goes with an extension, which would mean the bug was not in mediawiki
[20:37:14] <qsheets>	by default it is true
[20:37:31] <qsheets>	misty_wrk: look at DefaultSettings
[20:37:36] <qsheets>	.php
[20:38:05] <qsheets>	so yeah the bug is in mediawiki
[20:39:13] <misty_wrk>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[20:39:22] <misty_wrk>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit']    = false; $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = true;
[20:39:26] <misty_wrk>	you need the pair
[20:40:03] <qsheets>	DUH
[20:40:05] <misty_wrk>	you have to give it back to registered users
[20:40:13] <qsheets>	it is there
[20:40:23] <misty_wrk>	well you didn't show that, no need to be smart
[20:40:34] <qsheets>	that is also default
[20:41:06] <misty_wrk>	I just added both of those lines to my LocalSettings.php and my wiki works fine
[20:41:08] <misty_wrk>	just saying
[20:41:41] <qsheets>	you running 1.11
[20:41:43] <qsheets>	???
[20:41:46] <misty_wrk>	yep
[20:42:03] <qsheets>	OS?
[20:42:11] <misty_wrk>	that does not matter, this is a web-based app
[20:42:17] <misty_wrk>	however, I am running ubuntu 7.04 server
[20:42:25] <qsheets>	same here
[20:42:44] <misty_wrk>	apache 2.2.3
[20:42:51] <misty_wrk>	I am not using ubuntu's stock mediawiki, which is 1.7
[20:43:46] <misty_wrk>	anyway you need to be more specific about what it does when it does not work
[20:43:47] <qsheets>	nor am i
[20:43:57] <misty_wrk>	then we can help
[20:44:04] <qsheets>	when it doesn't work it says:
[20:44:07] <qsheets>	Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; in LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.
[20:44:18] <misty_wrk>	lol
[20:44:23] <misty_wrk>	that begs the question... did you do that?
[20:45:13] <qsheets>	yup
[20:45:39] <qsheets>	http://devel.adambots.gotdns.org
[20:46:05] *qsheets 	isn't going to bother using a pastebin
[20:46:56] <misty_wrk>	disable the extension with that hook loadPlayerI18n
[20:46:59] <misty_wrk>	use grep to find it
[20:47:14] <misty_wrk>	it plainly says the bug is in the extension
[20:47:44] <misty_wrk>	probably the extension is not 1.11 compatible
[20:48:57] <qsheets>	DAMN NEW VERSIONS
[20:49:03] <alxndr>	try just adding return true; to the end of the extension, worked for me with a different extension 
[20:49:47] <misty_wrk>	qsheets: please cool it with the all-caps typing
[20:50:47] <qsheets>	sorry
[20:51:05] <misty_wrk>	:)
[20:51:22] <misty_wrk>	hmm, is there a notation like <note> in mw?
[20:51:22] <qsheets>	it was either that or bolded
[20:51:30] <misty_wrk>	hehe
[20:51:31] <qsheets>	for?
[20:51:51] <misty_wrk>	I want to add a note, like "Note: The user must be in such-and-such group for this to work."
[20:52:17] <qsheets>	no
[20:52:35] <misty_wrk>	can I do something to get a similar effect? I'd like it indented with a different colored background
[20:52:45] <misty_wrk>	I realize that is CSS but I wonder if there is something that will render it that way
[20:53:01] <qsheets>	misty_wrk: tables work wonders there
[20:53:19] <misty_wrk>	bleh, a table with one cell?
[20:53:33] <CIA-6>	03brion * r25863 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[20:53:33] <CIA-6>	* (bug 11342) Fix several 'returnto' links in permissions/error pages which
[20:53:33] <CIA-6>	 linked to the main page instead of targetted page
[20:53:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) MediaWiki:Returnto displays a link to "Main Page" instead of the actual page when trying to edit a protected page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11342  +comment (10brion)
[20:54:45] <misty_wrk>	I'll just use a bullet list
[21:02:00] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: for stuff like "note", you would make a template that defines a <div> with the styles you like
[21:02:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lock wikimania2007wiki database (Disable all anonymous access) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11329  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[21:03:46] <misty_wrk>	ok
[21:03:51] <misty_wrk>	templates are on my list of things to read about
[21:04:00] <Duesentrieb>	templates are very simple
[21:04:23] <alxndr>	templates can get very complicated very quickly
[21:04:42] <Duesentrieb>	alxndr: templates? not really. parser function stuff, yea
[21:04:50] <alxndr>	fair enough
[21:04:57] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: create the page Template:Hallo. In there, write Hello World. Go to some page foo, there, write {{Hello}}
[21:05:04] <misty_wrk>	ok
[21:05:24] <misty_wrk>	Here is a quick one.  Can I make things like <button> work within wikitext?  I really need to render buttons sometimes
[21:05:26] <alxndr>	{{Hallo}}, really
[21:05:36] <qsheets>	LOL
[21:05:40] <misty_wrk>	I'd rather not have to take a screenshot of every button I need to tell users to push
[21:05:46] *qsheets 	was just about to say that
[21:06:00] <Duesentrieb>	make a template :)
[21:06:04] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: next level: change the template's content to Hello {{{1}}}; on page Foo, write {{Hello|folx}}
[21:06:18] <misty_wrk>	oh man
[21:06:23] <misty_wrk>	I should never have asked this at 5:01 PM
[21:06:28] *misty_wrk 	writes this stuff down for Monday
[21:06:36] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: 5:00 AM is worse.
[21:06:43] <misty_wrk>	lol
[21:07:54] <misty_wrk>	ok I don't understand your last instruction
[21:07:54] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: anyway, that's about it. you can do {{{1|World}}} to provide a default for the parameter, but that's all there is to templates.
[21:08:25] <misty_wrk>	Duesentrieb: so how would I make a template to render a button with arbitrary text on it?
[21:08:51] <misty_wrk>	I assume I would put in the template <div id="button">{{something}}</div>
[21:08:56] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: inside Template:Button, write <span style="...">{{{1}}}</span>
[21:09:08] <Duesentrieb>	the ... is where you put the css to make it look like a button
[21:09:13] <misty_wrk>	ok and the {{{1}}} is whatever I put between the tags?
[21:09:17] <misty_wrk>	right
[21:09:41] <misty_wrk>	ok I will try it over the weekend (yeah right) but if I have more questions I will ask
[21:09:46] <misty_wrk>	time to order pizza to pick up on the way home
[21:09:53] <Duesentrieb>	hm... pizza...
[21:10:51] <misty_wrk>	ok cheers!!
[21:15:18] <meithal>	hello
[21:15:41] <meithal>	maybe i'm blind but i see nothing on api.php where you can query only a section of a page
[21:15:51] <Duesentrieb>	you can't.
[21:15:57] <Duesentrieb>	the database doesn't know about sections
[21:16:15] <meithal>	damn
[21:16:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Undelete fails silently during database lock - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11343 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (brion)
[21:16:49] <meithal>	what happen whe you click on an [edit] section then ?
[21:19:36] <meithal>	ah... it's impossible to query only a section of a page via javascript ?
[21:21:35] <Duesentrieb>	meithal: ha, good question. no, it has nothing to do with javascript. when you edit a section, there's an ugly hack (tm) that extracts the section from the full page, and puts it into the edit field.
[21:22:00] <Duesentrieb>	meithal: now, that does indeed rise beg the question: why can't api.php? i probably could recycle that code
[21:22:17] <meithal>	:) i was thinking about doing the same hack via javascript
[21:22:28] <Duesentrieb>	api.php currently maily serves as an interface to the db - and the db doesn't know about sections. so, i guess, this was... simply forgotten?
[21:22:36] <Duesentrieb>	file a feature request
[21:23:06] <Duesentrieb>	meithal: you can gram the text from the edit page using JS, yes.
[21:23:12] <Duesentrieb>	not pretty, but possible
[21:24:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Border option in extended image syntax broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11338  (10michaeldaly)
[21:28:25] <meithal>	i'm not familiar at all with bugzilla, sorry. it's annoying cos one of the goals of this js i'm working on was to lighten (mean make less heavy :s (sorry for my english)) the server load, but i'll try  to put up with the hack ;)
[21:30:16] <meithal>	wait are you sure it's so hacky to parse the article via php ? more hacky than splitting it in several pieces (one for each section) i mean ?
[21:30:33] <meithal>	in several pieces in the db*
[21:32:21] <meithal>	and my english is to bad for submit a convincing bug report, i'm affraid
[21:34:25] <meithal>	*feature request
[21:37:18] <alxndr>	meithal: your english looks fine to me
[21:37:22] <meithal>	i'll try to find tomorrow the php file who handle the section exctracting, it's very late and i'm very tired now
[21:39:22] <meithal>	(a tiny hint where i can find this code ? ^^)
[21:42:37] <meithal>	nevermind
[21:42:42] <meithal>	good night
[21:44:23] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Ajax: add support for static function of class in $wgAjaxExportList - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11341  +comment (10robchur)
[22:00:53] <AzaTht>	on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Twinkle#TW-B-0012 the edit link goes to the previous section instead
[22:00:58] <AzaTht>	feature or bug?
[22:02:23] <AzaTht>	aha, the edit section is based on visible, not actual section
[22:02:47] <feltipen>	so's your face
[22:03:31] <feltipen>	heh, sry, i have nothing valuable to add
[22:07:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Section edit links for transcluded templates are not affected by < noinclude> or <includeonly> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6563  normal->major; +comment (10azatoth)
[22:10:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Import displays wrong links to imported articles - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11344 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[23:07:15] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r25864 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[23:07:15] <CIA-6>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[23:07:15] <CIA-6>	* cs, za
[23:14:25] <VoiceOfAll>	flyingparchment: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/28/wbush128.xml
[23:14:35] <VoiceOfAll>	that makes me almost laugh
[23:14:48] <flyingparchment>	what about it?
[23:15:00] <VoiceOfAll>	"nuclear holocaust"
[23:15:02] <VoiceOfAll>	I mean wtf?
[23:15:14] *flyingparchment 	doesn't care about idiot politicians
[23:15:32] <VoiceOfAll>	well he is an idiot in charge
[23:37:26] <jimbojw>	are template parameters trimmed? that is, are these equivalent: {{a|x = y }} and {{a|x=y}}
[23:39:35] <Pathoschild>	Yes.
[23:41:41] <jimbojw>	thanks Pathoschild 
[23:42:29] <Pathoschild>	jimbojw: However, {{a| y }} is not equivalent to {{a|x= y }}.
[23:42:44] <Pathoschild>	Whitespace is only trimmed when explicitly naming parameters.
[23:42:53] <jimbojw>	ah, that's good to know, thanks
[23:43:03] <Pathoschild>	Welcome.