[02:07:03] <austinyb>	kk
[02:19:34] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25884 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Bug fix
[02:34:10] <BlaME>	Hello
[02:34:14] <BlaME>	I'm using 1.10.0
[02:34:28] <BlaME>	is posible to create grups? I login as sysop but i cannot see any option
[02:37:26] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[02:37:47] <BlaME>	i need to edit the .php file? :O
[02:37:55] <BlaME>	LOL
[02:51:14] <Chupa>	Is it possible to hide page history from people not loged in?
[02:55:51] <MZMcBride>	according to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Other_restrictions , it's not possible through MediaWiki
[02:56:08] <Werdna>	sure it is
[02:56:12] <Werdna>	a bit of PHP hacking
[02:57:24] <Chupa>	i dont really wana mess it up that bad :-(
[02:58:00] <Werdna>	moment
[02:59:58] <Simetrical>	Werdna, not securely.  There are probably other ways to get at it.
[03:00:19] <Werdna>	indeed, but to stop people from selecting the history tab...
[03:01:01] <Werdna>	where do we check if the user can read the page in PageHistory.php?
[03:01:43] <Chupa>	how about this... is it possible to delete historys of the page?
[03:01:52] <Chupa>	so there are no historys?
[03:02:16] <Werdna>	that kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it..? Chupa, I'm working on a patch for you.
[03:02:53] <Chupa>	yea i know it does
[03:03:01] <Chupa>	which is why i wanted to hide it :-(
[03:03:32] <Chupa>	how bad is this patch gona jack my stuff up?
[03:03:35] <Chupa>	heh
[03:03:41] <Werdna>	I hope not at all
[03:03:43] <Werdna>	;)
[03:03:57] <Chupa>	me too!
[03:07:37] <Werdna>	http://www.devanywhere.com/ViewPub.php?id=31
[03:07:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL support (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10greg)
[03:07:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload a new version of this file, postgres database error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11363  +comment (10greg)
[03:08:01] <austinyb_>	hi
[03:09:00] <Werdna>	hello
[03:10:11] <alxndr>	heh, physician heal thyself: Werdna that page is tossing an error
[03:10:29] <Werdna>	what error?
[03:10:41] <Werdna>	oops
[03:10:54] <alxndr>	Fatal error: Call to a member function verifyToken() on a non-object in /var/devhost/www-root/ViewPub.php on line 9
[03:11:13] <austinyb_>	any mediawiki hacks that regular users can use?
[03:11:31] <Werdna>	what do you mean?
[03:11:40] <Werdna>	alxndr: try now
[03:11:47] <austinyb_>	is there any hacks
[03:11:50] <austinyb_>	on mediawiki
[03:12:00] <alxndr>	fixed
[03:12:06] <Werdna>	"hacks"?
[03:12:12] <austinyb_>	nvm
[03:12:21] <Werdna>	as in security vulnerabilities?
[03:12:33] <Werdna>	as in interesting changes you can make to it?
[03:13:11] <Chupa>	just overwrite that sucker Werdna?
[03:13:28] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) some Functions don't Work with PostgreSQL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11331  +comment (10greg)
[03:13:29] <Werdna>	no, no
[03:13:32] <austinyb_>	say im a regular user
[03:13:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL support (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10greg)
[03:13:36] <Werdna>	find the correct line, and make the changes shown.
[03:13:38] <austinyb_>	on meddi wiki
[03:13:42] <austinyb_>	mediawiki*
[03:13:57] <Chupa>	ok
[03:14:07] <austinyb_>	oh wait
[03:14:14] <austinyb_>	how do you start a page?
[03:15:43] <austinyb_>	?
[03:17:40] <Chupa>	Oh beautiful
[03:17:44] <austinyb_>	??
[03:17:44] <Chupa>	works
[03:17:46] <Chupa>	you win
[03:17:51] <alxndr>	Chupa: you can hide the "history" link in pages too with a little fiddling with the skin you're using
[03:18:20] <austinyb_>	?
[03:18:48] <Chupa>	yea ive hid the tabs
[03:18:55] <austinyb_>	OMG
[03:18:56] <Chupa>	but i wanted to coompletley lock it up
[03:19:00] <alxndr>	gotcha
[03:19:04] <Chupa>	&action=history type thing
[03:19:08] <alxndr>	yeah
[03:19:11] <austinyb_>	...
[03:19:22] <austinyb_>	austinyb_: 
[03:19:22] <austinyb_>	how do you start a page?
[03:19:37] <Chupa>	ty much Werdna
[03:19:53] <austinyb_>	...
[03:19:55] <Werdna>	does it work?
[03:20:17] <Chupa>	yes
[03:21:00] <austinyb_>	]austinyb_: 
[03:21:00] <austinyb_>	how do you start a page?
[03:21:19] <Chupa>	!k
[03:21:22] <Chupa>	just do it
[03:21:42] <austinyb_>	me?
[03:22:17] <austinyb_>	...
[03:44:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preference to toggle edit tools - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11130  (10fearow00)
[03:46:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sysops can unprotect/delete pages they cant edit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11346  (10fearow00)
[03:50:18] <hunt[]>	how i can block editing page for all, exempt's admins?
[03:50:31] <Werdna>	!faq | hunt[] 
[03:50:31] <mwbot>	hunt[] : Before reporting a problem or requesting assistance, please check the FAQ first. The FAQ for MediaWiki can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ
[03:50:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preference to toggle edit tools - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11130  (10steinninn)
[03:53:06] <hunt[]>	how i can block editing page for all, exempt's admins?
[03:53:45] <Werdna>	hunt[]: I just told you to check the FAQ. You will find the answer there.
[03:55:00] <hunt[]>	hm
[03:55:06] <hunt[]>	which point?
[03:56:07] <Werdna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_can_I_prevent_editing_by_anonymous_users.3F
[03:58:07] <hunt[]>	ok
[03:58:08] <hunt[]>	thx
[04:48:45] <CIA-6>	03kim * r25885 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/copy.php: 
[04:48:45] <CIA-6>	Now copying collections too
[04:48:45] <CIA-6>	it runs without obvious bugs, so lets commit it :-P
[05:05:32] <VARGUX>	join /mediawiki-es
[05:05:38] <VARGUX>	join #mediawiki-es
[05:05:50] <puzzlet>	join &mediawiki-es
[05:05:56] <VARGUX>	:)
[05:06:04] <VARGUX>	thanks
[05:06:13] <VARGUX>	join &mediawiki-es
[05:06:18] <VARGUX>	hahahah
[05:06:26] <Werdna>	...
[05:06:28] <VARGUX>	well... dont work.,,,
[05:06:32] <Werdna>	 /join
[05:07:23] <VARGUX>	thanks, but dont exist...
[05:07:32] <VARGUX>	i'm trying only..
[05:07:32] <dibblego>	 /join g
[05:07:46] <dibblego>	/join &mediawiki-es
[05:08:26] <ivarv>	ugh. I just upgraded to 1.11 and now my FancyCaptcha extension seems hosed.. I'm at a loss as to where to start looking for error.. any ideas ?
[05:09:03] <ivarv>	without it, the wiki gets full of spam pretty fast.. :(  
[05:12:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Geographic coordinate tool producing 403 Forbidden Error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11369 major; high; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brett5)
[05:15:16] <alxndr>	ivarv: is it that the extension isn't returning a value?
[05:15:40] <ivarv>	alxndr, I'm not sure if it's returning anything
[05:15:48] <ivarv>	alxndr, how does one check ? 
[05:16:20] <alxndr>	find the main block of code that the extension runs and see if it ends with a return something
[05:18:18] <ivarv>	it's pretty sophisticated, there are a tonne of functions so it's hard to know which ones are called
[05:18:40] <ivarv>	is there a log file that mediawiki outputs ?
[05:20:06] <alxndr>	uh you can set the debug file but i don't know how helpful it'll be, it's $wgDebugLogFile or something
[05:20:38] <alxndr>	what's the extension you're using?
[05:20:44] <MZMcBride>	do you have the most current versions of fancycaptcha?
[05:21:49] <ivarv>	MZMcBride, that could be it.. it's confirm edit but I just brought over the one I was using from 1.10
[05:22:03] <ivarv>	alxndr, confirmedit
[05:22:43] <MZMcBride>	the most recent versions are available here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#FancyCaptcha_addon
[05:24:08] <alxndr>	yeah don't think return values are the problem
[05:24:21] <ivarv>	cool. that'd be a good starting point. I'll upgrade and then come back if there's still probs
[05:24:32] <ivarv>	thanks for the heads up & your time.. much appreciated
[05:52:56] <ivarv>	damn, no ConfirmEdit / FancyCaptcha love.. :(
[05:53:22] <ivarv>	is it a 'bad idea' to revert to 1.10 after running 1.11 DB update scripts ?
[06:09:30] <padde>	where does one usually get info about extension breakage on mediawiki updates?
[06:11:35] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[06:33:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Geographic coordinate tool producing 403 Forbidden Error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11369  +comment (10titoxd.wikimedia)
[06:46:53] <puzzlet_>	is there a MediaWiki extension that *entirely formats* wikipages?
[06:47:11] <puzzlet_>	like, say, printable page and docbook
[06:48:20] <Werdna>	apply the print stylesheet?
[06:50:51] <puzzlet_>	i gotta write an extension that formats article in a different markup than HTML
[06:52:56] <puzzlet_>	and what i need is a similar extension
[06:52:56] <puzzlet_>	so that i can refer how they made such a thing before
[06:54:43] <secretjapan>	does anyone know how to import tikiwiki data into mediawiki? can it be done?
[07:08:52] <Baldwin>	how do you upload bulk images?
[08:07:58] <Fanty>	Hi!  How would I go about using an external user database for logins - I have an application with existing users and need the wiki to use these?
[08:11:16] <jeremyb>	use LDAP?
[08:11:23] <jeremyb>	or openid
[08:11:44] <jeremyb>	what's the existing app?
[08:17:02] <Baldwin>	how do you edit the edit area so you can have clickable items (eg == ==, [[]], [[Image: ]], [[Category: ]])
[08:17:40] <jeremyb>	preview?  wikEd?
[08:17:54] <Baldwin>	i dont know what its called
[08:18:00] <Baldwin>	but its when you edit a page
[08:20:57] <puzzlet_>	be more specific
[08:21:16] <Baldwin>	&action=edit
[08:21:33] <Baldwin>	like wikipedia, you have clickable javascript links
[08:21:42] <Baldwin>	for [[]] [[Image: ]]
[08:23:04] <Fanty>	jeremyb: its an e-learning webapplication in development - its created in the CMS typo3
[08:24:15] <Duesentrieb>	Baldwin: see Extension:CharInsert
[08:35:14] <Sadik>	Hello, Is there any option to get All Pages without Redirect pages
[08:36:21] <Nikerabbit>	for what use?
[08:36:56] <Sadik>	for AWB
[08:37:27] *Werdna 	shudders.
[08:40:04] <Nikerabbit>	Sadik: api.php perhaps?
[08:40:29] <Nikerabbit>	http://nike.users.idler.fi/dev/api.php?action=query&list=allpages&apfilterredir=redirects&aplimit=50
[08:42:14] <Sadik>	thanks
[08:43:00] <_wooz>	lo
[08:44:06] <Duesentrieb>	AWB?
[08:44:29] <Werdna>	crappy script for automatic editing
[08:44:41] <Duesentrieb>	huh
[08:44:50] <Sadik>	AutowikiBrowser
[08:45:08] <Sadik>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser
[08:45:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) update INSTALL and FAQ files - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11365  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[08:58:21] <attosz_HUN>	hi all
[08:58:22] <PunkRock>	can i use the api function to render wiki text into wiki links?\
[08:58:55] <PunkRock>	erm. the question is more. which api functions can i use for that...
[08:59:20] <attosz_HUN>	sombody help me pls :D
[08:59:54] <PunkRock>	should be in parser.php right?
[09:00:08] <ialex>	attosz_HUN: "Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask your question..."
[09:00:43] <attosz_HUN>	i upload to my mysql database the dumped wikipedia sql, but in my mediawiki i can't swe
[09:00:45] <attosz_HUN>	ee
[09:00:49] <attosz_HUN>	the template pages
[09:01:29] <Inez>	Hi
[09:01:35] <PunkRock>	can i just use the parse function in Parser.php?
[09:04:28] <ialex>	PunkRock: maybe, but this function doesn't return a string but a ParserOutput object
[09:06:08] <PunkRock>	darn.
[09:06:27] <PunkRock>	but i can use this function to generate the output?
[09:06:35] <Inez>	I'm reading about irc rc on https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/IRCD
[09:06:52] <Inez>	anybody there have access to scripts related to that article?
[09:07:15] <ialex>	PunkRock: this is the function used to generate html
[09:07:19] <PunkRock>	what are the options about that i can pass to the parse method?
[09:08:01] <PunkRock>	 /function/class/
[09:08:15] <PunkRock>	ok. i will see. 
[09:09:23] <PunkRock>	getHTML looks quite good :)
[09:09:47] <PunkRock>	does it generate the site as a whole or can i just parse a little string?
[09:12:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change in Malayalam Wiktionary {{SITENAME}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11093  summary (10sadik.khalid)
[09:13:54] <ialex>	PunkRock: you can generate what you want
[09:14:38] <ialex>	then get the text by getText() function in the ParserOutput given by the parse function
[09:15:05] <PunkRock>	ok. the options are somehow magic to me so far. 
[09:17:11] <PunkRock>	ah. got it. i need the ParserOptions.
[09:17:16] <ialex>	yes
[09:18:15] <PunkRock>	ialex. great. i got it. thank you!
[09:21:44] <ialex>	PunkRock: a thing like this : http://rafb.net/p/iO849284.html
[09:22:29] <ialex>	whoops
[09:29:05] <hunt[]>	how i can editing panel a Toolbox?
[09:30:27] <hunt[]>	and how add new panel in mediawiki?
[09:30:27] <Duesentrieb>	hunt[]: please try to rephrase your question
[09:30:32] <Duesentrieb>	"panel"?
[09:30:55] <hunt[]>	menu
[09:33:23] <hunt[]>	how i can editing menu a Toolbox on the left?
[09:35:31] <Duesentrieb>	hunt[]: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3ASidebar
[09:38:35] <hunt[]>	okey
[09:38:36] <hunt[]>	thx
[09:51:45] <hunt[]>	how i can add new menu similar to Sidebar?
[09:55:39] <PHPadam>	i checked out the breadcrumbs extensions
[09:55:57] <PHPadam>	i would like to show on the page all the sub categories, i wanna show the path to that article
[09:56:09] <PHPadam>	but those extensions dont do it,
[09:56:21] <PHPadam>	breadcrumb2 is not auto generated
[09:57:13] <hunt[]>	hm..
[09:57:15] <hunt[]>	how i can add new menu similar to Sidebar?
[10:01:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) some Functions don't Work with PostgreSQL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11331  (10n.kaiser)
[10:05:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) EXIF orientation not used - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6672  +comment (10rl)
[10:20:11] <PHPadam>	ahhh mediawiki
[10:20:20] <PHPadam>	i cant make a normal breadcrumb
[10:23:55] <steko>	hi
[10:24:20] <Duesentrieb>	PHPadam: that's because there'S no hierarchical structure...
[10:29:26] <PHPadam>	theres categories, and subcategories..
[10:33:16] <Duesentrieb>	PHPadam: but categories can have multiple parent categories
[10:33:29] <Duesentrieb>	and you can, in theory, even have a circular category structure
[10:33:59] <PHPadam>	in my wiki, there is no circular category structure
[10:34:21] <PHPadam>	many parent categories is fine with me, it will show like in amazon categories
[10:34:59] <PHPadam>	i know i can fetch categories and parent categories from db- categorylinks, but how do i get the categories of a page?
[10:36:17] <Duesentrieb>	same way
[10:36:28] <PHPadam>	ah?
[10:36:41] <Duesentrieb>	categorylinks records all categrozation#
[10:36:50] <Duesentrieb>	subcategories are just categorized category pages
[10:38:34] <steko>	is this page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parser_Functions updated to work with 1.11.0 ?
[10:39:06] <Duesentrieb>	steko: should work. why?
[10:39:51] <steko>	Duesentrieb: I include the sample extension and it gives me some errors like Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/vignale/wiki/extensions/ExampleExtension.php:32) in /var/www/vignale/wiki/includes/WebResponse.php on line 10
[10:40:39] <Duesentrieb>	steko: make sure you dont' have blank lines at the very start or end of the files you created/edited. make sure your editor does not insert BOM bytes at the start of files (as windows notepad does)
[10:41:05] <Duesentrieb>	"output started at /var/www/vignale/wiki/extensions/ExampleExtension.php:32" telly you that in that place you are outputting something prematurely.
[10:41:52] <steko>	Duesentrieb: right, there was a blank line after the ?> thanks
[10:41:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Safe, simple <img> wrapper (for external images) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10809  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[10:42:36] <Duesentrieb>	php is very touchy about this. which sucks.
[10:46:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Geographic coordinate tool producing 403 Forbidden Error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11369  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[11:02:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When I click cur, diff and last on history and Recent Changes, it asks me if I want to download something. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11368  +comment (10dudleyian)
[11:05:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When I click cur, diff and last on history and Recent Changes, it asks me if I want to download something. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11368  (10dudleyian)
[11:07:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When I click cur, diff and last on history and Recent Changes, it asks me if I want to download something. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11368  (10dudleyian)
[11:14:12] <TOR_CNR>	guys, I just hit a major WTF... what should Database::update() return on a succesful update?
[11:14:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Geographic coordinate tool producing 403 Forbidden Error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11369  +comment (10Andrew)
[11:15:10] <Werdna>	TOR_CNR: moment.
[11:15:11] <TOR_CNR>	i.e. how do I check if it succeded? It appears to return null.
[11:15:38] <Werdna>	 return $this->query( $sql, $fname );
[11:15:38] <domas>	define "succeeded"
[11:15:53] <Werdna>	 return $this->resultObject( $ret );
[11:15:53] <domas>	you can just check affected row counters
[11:18:53] <G_SabinoMullane>	TOR_CNR: Looks like it should be returning true via resultObject
[11:19:51] <TOR_CNR>	gah...
[11:21:29] <DarsVaeda>	hi, i have a wiki installed in root directory and with very short urls, as an update to 1.11 fails and it is said that installing into the root isn't good anyway, i want to move my wiki to a /w/ folder and install as recommended and use normal short urls like wiki.com/wiki/article
[11:21:38] <DarsVaeda>	can i just move it to /w/ ?
[11:21:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the group "test-sysop" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  (10vasilvv)
[11:24:41] <DarsVaeda>	i mean i have to change localsettings.php but do i need to change anything in the database? and what about the files, like images that have been uploaded?
[11:27:24] <carrera>	Greetings!
[11:27:47] <carrera>	is linking to a regular file the same as linking to an image?
[11:28:10] <carrera>	i've uploaded a .doc file and need to include it in a page
[11:29:02] <Panora200>	good morning
[11:29:03] <DarsVaeda>	isn't that [[File:Name.doc]] ?
[11:29:15] <Panora200>	can anyone point me to wikimedia foundation network diagram?
[11:29:23] <carrera>	DarsVaeda, thanks, i'll give it a gry
[11:29:24] <carrera>	try
[11:29:26] <Bacucco>	hi all
[11:29:47] <carrera>	hi Panora200, Bacucco 
[11:30:30] <Bacucco>	hey guys, after upgrading to 1.11.0 I have a big problem... everytime i try to login I received the following message "Wiki does not recognize the action specified by the URL"
[11:30:59] <Bacucco>	and if i try to edit a page, the wiki always tries to make me edit /wiki/index.php page...
[11:31:06] <Bacucco>	:( do you know why? thanx a lot
[11:31:19] <Bacucco>	(ah yep, i ran update.php of course ;p)
[11:31:50] <carrera>	[[File:file.doc]] didn't work
[11:32:19] <Panora200>	nevermind. just found it. 
[11:33:30] <Cratos>	my mediawiki installation does not update the {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} tag. How do I solve that?
[11:35:41] <Inez>	dd
[11:42:11] <carrera>	how can I link to .doc file that I uploaded?
[11:45:42] <carrera>	never mind, found the solution under Help
[11:56:18] <CIA-6>	03mkroetzsch * r25886 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QueryPrinters.php: Fixed escaping of = and | in tempalte printers.
[11:57:52] <CIA-6>	03mkroetzsch * r25887 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QueryProcessor.php: 
[11:57:52] <CIA-6>	Fixed bug when parsing (completely) invalid query descriptions, which had lead to PHP errors since a NULL object
[11:57:52] <CIA-6>	was returned.
[12:48:52] <MarkusK>	I just found out that  "Test ''italic'' test" is a valid page title. How would you create a link to such a page in MediaWiki?
[12:50:53] <Duesentrieb>	[[Test ''italic'' test]] just *might* work.
[12:50:58] <Duesentrieb>	if it doesn't, then you can't :)
[12:51:09] <MarkusK>	well, it doesn't work
[12:51:31] <MarkusK>	probably it then should not be possible to make a page called this way ...
[12:52:20] <MarkusK>	well, but thanks anyway!
[12:54:42] <Duesentrieb>	MarkusK: you can probably make a link by using html entitites for the ' (&apos; should work)
[12:56:53] <flyingparchment>	the problem is, some languages use '' in normal text
[12:56:58] <flyingparchment>	iirc, that's why it's allowed in titles
[12:57:13] <flyingparchment>	does [[Some '' title]] work?
[12:57:25] <MarkusK>	in fact &apos; does not work (XHTML only), but &#x0027; works
[12:57:49] <Duesentrieb>	i thought &apos; would get converted by mediawiki
[12:58:09] <MarkusK>	flyingparchment: no, [[Some '' title]]  does not work either
[12:58:15] <Duesentrieb>	also... the output is xhtml (supposedly)
[12:59:49] <MarkusK>	Duesentrieb: &apos; statys as it is on my test site. The point is I think that &apos; was only added in XHTML ... the output is *in* XHTML but not all XHTML entities might be supported by MW or the browser
[13:00:17] <Duesentrieb>	well, they *should* :)
[13:00:19] <Duesentrieb>	but i gotta run
[13:00:34] <MarkusK>	ok, I can work around with &#x0027; quite well ...
[13:07:01] <SlimG2>	What mta should I install on a Debian server to give mediawiki the ability to send registration-confirmation emails?
[13:10:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the group "test-sysop" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  (10triyork)
[13:11:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the group "test-sysop" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  (10vasilvv)
[13:20:54] <RichiH>	in mediawiki1.10 installed in current debian testing, in /usr/share/mediawiki1.10/includes/WebStart.php on line 86, i have require_once( './LocalSettings.php' ); which does, of course, fail. require_once( '/etc/mediawiki1.10/LocalSettings.php' ); works like expected. can someone tell me if that is intended behaviour and me missing something or a bug in mediawiki/the debian package it comes in?
[13:22:52] <Platonides>	in normal mediawiki package, LocalSettings in in the normal folder
[13:23:05] <Platonides>	which in your cas seem to be /usr/share/mediawiki1.10/
[13:23:25] <Platonides>	blame the packager
[13:25:01] <RichiH>	Platonides: ok
[13:25:23] <RichiH>	0/usr/share/mediawiki1.10/ or /usr/share/mediawiki1.10/config?
[13:25:57] <Platonides>	/usr/share/mediawiki1.10/
[13:26:07] <Platonides>	the install script creates it on /usr/share/mediawiki1.10/config
[13:26:15] <Platonides>	and you need to manually move it to the parent
[13:27:30] <RichiH>	ok, then it is definately a broken package. i will create a softlink locally and nag the packager
[13:27:42] <RichiH>	thanks :)
[13:43:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the group "test-sysop" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  (10triyork)
[13:46:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Temporary block may prevent a user from winning the unified account - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11149  (10brion)
[13:51:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	wtf is up with MediaWiki.org & template:extension? now it's more complicated than ever and promoted instruction creep...I liked it back when interface, parser, hook, special and such options were the only ones for type etc. - surely a lot of extensions add tables to the DB...that doesn't mean the extension's primary type is "database extension" - it could be a special page or such aswell...
[13:56:49] <The_Merlin>	Hi
[13:56:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Border option in extended image syntax broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11338  (10brion)
[13:57:09] <The_Merlin>	Anybody helps me ?
[13:57:33] <Platonides>	The_Merlin only if you tell why do you need help
[13:57:47] <Platonides>	"Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask your question... but read the FAQ and search the web first."
[13:57:55] <The_Merlin>	I need configure de side menu on mediawiki
[13:58:19] <Jack_Phoenix>	read the FAQ
[13:58:23] <The_Merlin>	The navigation menu
[13:58:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	and while you're at it...edit your wiki's MediaWiki:Sidebar page
[13:58:40] <The_Merlin>	Thanks, but I don´t search the information there
[13:59:21] <The_Merlin>	What's the archive ?
[13:59:43] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ ...
[13:59:43] <RichiH>	what is the currently 'best' access control MW plugin? i need to be able to allow/deny pages based on what categories they belong to and which user tries to access them
[14:01:53] <FT2>	 Is anyone familiar with the messages in the mediawiki namespace, and in which context a message will be used?
[14:02:56] <VasilievVV>	How does Makesysop replaces Special:Userrights form?
[14:03:53] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Upright images don't always display - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11348  +comment (10brion)
[14:04:16] <RichiH>	in related news, what search plugins that provide better searching would you suggest?
[14:04:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	probably http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LuceneSearch
[14:05:13] <Nikerabbit>	brion-office: I coded a script which extras language names from cldr data
[14:05:59] <Nikerabbit>	extracts
[14:10:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) "Some image thumbnails are not rendering correctly." On Wikimedia Commons. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11366  +comment (10brion)
[14:11:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVGs rendered as "empty" images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5463  (10brion)
[14:12:14] <brion-office>	whee
[14:13:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update self-transclude on preview - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11367  (10brion)
[14:13:36] <Nikerabbit>	http://nike.users.idler.fi/betawiki/Special:Translate?uselang=he&limit=0 example
[14:17:08] <FT2>	hey brion
[14:35:40] <The_Merlin>	quit
[14:37:22] <SinJax>	hi! :)
[14:37:33] <SinJax>	is there a way to find out how many parameters have been passed to a template?
[14:39:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When I click cur, diff and last on history and Recent Changes, it asks me if I want to download something. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11368  (10dudleyian)
[14:39:27] <minute>	SinJax: no
[14:39:33] <SinJax>	eh annoying :)
[14:39:49] <SinJax>	so theres no good way to make templats which handle long lists of stuff?
[14:40:21] <SinJax>	so i want to give my template {{wang |billy|jimmy|tim|...|}} and i want it print out as many names as i give
[14:41:14] <minute>	YOu could print out up to n ammount of names. Depends on how big you want the file to be - but it cannot be infinite.
[14:42:49] <SinJax>	sure sure...but how can i print out n names if i don't know how many names there are?
[15:01:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Form is not disabled when used with KeepYourHandsToYourself extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11370 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[15:06:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When I click cur, diff and last on history and Recent Changes, it asks me if I want to download something. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11368  (10brion)
[15:06:38] <cj>	hey folks
[15:06:53] <cj>	is there a way for a template to identify the page which sourced it?
[15:07:50] <DarsVaeda>	hi, i want to move my wiki from doc-root to /w/ is that simply possible?
[15:08:43] <cj>	DarsVaeda: there's no problem with that.  modify your LocalSettings.php
[15:08:58] <cj>	all state information is stored in your database and your LocalSettings.php
[15:09:03] <Nothing2Do>	helo
[15:09:08] <cj>	howdy Nothing2Do 
[15:09:16] <DarsVaeda>	what about files ... like uploaded images?
[15:09:30] <cj>	DarsVaeda: they're relative to the path defined in LocalSettings.php
[15:09:31] <Nothing2Do>	you can help me to setup media wiki on obsd 4.1 ?
[15:09:34] <cj>	DarsVaeda: do a dry run
[15:09:37] <DarsVaeda>	ok
[15:09:38] <cj>	DarsVaeda: use lndir to test
[15:09:42] <DarsVaeda>	thx
[15:09:51] <cj>	Nothing2Do: yeah.  do you have an apache install?
[15:10:11] <Nothing2Do>	yes, it tell 'it worked' !
[15:10:22] <cj>	Nothing2Do: great.  have you set up a virtual host for your wiki?
[15:10:27] <cj>	Nothing2Do: do you know how to do such a thing? :)
[15:10:44] <Nothing2Do>	vhost ? why ?
[15:10:52] <cj>	Nothing2Do: easier to configure that way (IMHO)
[15:11:35] <Nothing2Do>	i need to add some line in httpd.conf ?
[15:14:26] <Nothing2Do>	cj, but where I can find help on vhost ?
[15:15:56] <Nothing2Do>	cj ? are you here ?
[15:16:36] <Erkkimon>	Hmm, does LaTeX use some temporary directory where it stores the images it creates?
[15:16:58] <flyingparchment>	Erkkimon: yes, math/ by default
[15:17:09] <Erkkimon>	flyingparchment: Hmm.. Okay.
[15:17:24] <Erkkimon>	flyingparchment: That's weird. I have permissions 777 in my math directory.
[15:17:50] <Erkkimon>	flyingparchment: And my LaTeX complains that it can't write the math to the temporary directory.
[15:17:55] <Erkkimon>	Any ideas?
[15:18:01] <flyingparchment>	maybe it means /tmp
[15:18:12] <Nothing2Do>	cj, but virtual host need to have another IP (or other port) 
[15:19:25] <Erkkimon>	flyingparchment: Absolute /tmp nearly in the root of the server? :O
[15:19:38] <minute>	Nothing2Do: Incorrect.
[15:19:41] <flyingparchment>	that is the standard temporary directory on unix
[15:20:09] <Erkkimon>	Hmm, could it be possible that LaTeX would use it? I can't believe.
[15:22:52] <Nothing2Do>	minute, what ? ohhh ! you're right, with http header 
[15:23:02] <minute>	nope
[15:23:15] <minute>	Oh yes, that is correct.
[15:24:37] <Erkkimon>	Hmm, I c that the language of the wiki should be turned on English when debugging. :D
[15:24:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Section Sizes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11371 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (russell.hires)
[15:24:57] <Erkkimon>	The English error message is a "little bit" clearer and informative....
[15:25:42] <cj>	Nothing2Do: no, they don't
[15:25:55] <cj>	Nothing2Do: you can bind multiple vhosts to a single IP.  that's what makes them 'virtual' :)
[15:26:06] <cj>	brion-office: moo?
[15:26:35] <cj>	brion-office: can templates detect the name of the page which sourced them?  If so, wince when? (I can look it up if you give me some pointers)
[15:26:40] <Nothing2Do>	I've saw this things to minute one minute ago
[15:26:54] <Nothing2Do>	cj, I've saw this things to minute one minute ago
[15:27:28] <cj>	Nothing2Do: I don't know what that means
[15:27:58] <Nothing2Do>	but if my virtual host has the same ip than my real server ! what's wrong
[15:28:42] <cj>	nothing.  Here, let me get you some docs...
[15:29:16] <cj>	http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#namevirtualhost
[15:29:29] <cj>	http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#virtualhost
[15:29:45] <Nothing2Do>	oh ! why ? i don't like to read
[15:29:45] <cj>	let me know when you have read these.  I'll give you an example if you need one.
[15:30:07] <cj>	Nothing2Do: oh?  that's too bad.  I guess you'll have to ask someone with more time to hold your hand, then
[15:31:18] <Nothing2Do>	but i think that openbsd will get into my trash and come back when I'll have 2 computer ...
[15:31:27] <cj>	Nothing2Do: see xen
[15:31:30] <Nothing2Do>	sorry
[15:31:51] <brion-office>	cj: {{FULLPAGENAME}} etc
[15:32:02] <Duesentrieb>	cj: "can templates detect the name of the page which sourced them" - uh, {{PAGENAME}} should do that, no?
[15:32:15] <Duesentrieb>	ah, brion was faster again :)
[15:33:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) users being logged out when several edits performed at same time - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11372 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (twenson)
[15:33:05] <cj>	thanks guys
[15:39:04] *VasilievVV 	still can understand how Makesysop replaces Userrights form
[15:41:39] <Duesentrieb>	brion-office: i have two questions about the rc rss feed. 1) i dicovered that the user-can check that prevents diffs for verboten pages may be bypassed, because the feed is cached. Would it be ok to always generate the feed with "minium" (i.e. adnon) permissions? or would it be better to have one cached version for, hm, not sure... every possible combination of user groups?
[15:41:58] <Duesentrieb>	and b) when trsting this, i found that action=purge doesn't work for feeds. would it be ok to add that?
[15:56:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update self-transclude on preview - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11367  +comment (10Platonides)
[15:56:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Makesysop crosswiki functions should be optional - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11373 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Makesysop; (vasilvv)
[15:57:09] <m|a|x>	my host switched servers, my site does not work on the new host (Debian OS), i get this message in firefox: "Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.". I can not figure out what the problem is.
[15:57:28] <m|a|x>	http://naimdoc.net/index.php/Main_Page
[15:58:11] <Duesentrieb>	m|a|x: having the wiki in the domain root is a bad idea. Prone to have problems like this (and others)
[15:58:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Makesysop crosswiki functions should be optional - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11373   +easy (10vasilvv)
[15:58:37] <m|a|x>	ahh
[15:58:43] <Duesentrieb>	well, it should kind of work as long as you don't try to use pretty urls. but still... don't do it.
[15:58:59] <Duesentrieb>	m|a|x: it's not THE cause of your problem, but likely part of the problem.
[15:59:48] <m|a|x>	it worked fine until i moved to a new host hardware and os
[16:00:01] <Duesentrieb>	m|a|x: and naimdoc.net doesn't appear to exist for me...
[16:00:43] <Duesentrieb>	m|a|x: it might be that they also moved from using mod_php to php-cgi or some such. which will influence the way the "pathinfo" urls are treadted 
[16:00:47] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. index.php/Foo
[16:01:59] <m|a|x>	any suggesstion on how i can resolve this problem?
[16:02:09] <m|a|x>	i did move the files to ./wiki/
[16:02:18] <Duesentrieb>	not without looking at the http headers. which i can't, since the host doesn't resolve for me
[16:02:42] <Duesentrieb>	m|a|x: you did? well, that url doesn't look like it knows that. change wgArticlePOath and wgScriptPath accordingly.
[16:02:54] <m|a|x>	ok, checking
[16:03:04] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, the "normal" way is to have files in / and map pages to /wiki using rewrite rules
[16:03:05] <m|a|x>	LocalSettings.php?
[16:03:08] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[16:03:16] <Duesentrieb>	err, have files in /w, not in /
[16:03:26] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, gotta run
[16:03:28] <Duesentrieb>	good luck
[16:14:24] <CIA-6>	03erik * r25890 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: 
[16:14:24] <CIA-6>	instantiating the FlaggedRevs class at the moment it is require_once()d
[16:14:24] <CIA-6>	in LocalSettings.php means that some configuration variables set after
[16:14:24] <CIA-6>	that point will be ignored / cause conflicts, notably the dimensions
[16:14:24] <CIA-6>	array. Moving the instantiation (and hooks) into the loader function
[16:14:25] <CIA-6>	fixes this.
[16:14:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Makesysop crosswiki functions should be optional - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11373  (10robchur)
[16:22:12] <Ace_NoOne>	From the v1.11 release notes:
[16:22:14] <Ace_NoOne>	"Fixed DISPLAYTITLE behaviour to reject titles which don't normalise to the same title as the current page, and enabled per default"
[16:22:32] <Ace_NoOne>	what does that mean, exactly? I can't have the Main Page say "Welcome to Foo" anymore?
[16:22:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	yep
[16:22:48] <Ace_NoOne>	any setting to fix that?
[16:23:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	if the page is IPod, you can use {{DISPLAYTITLE:iPod}} to show iPod as the title...
[16:23:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	but nothing else, basically
[16:23:40] <Ace_NoOne>	yeah, that's what I thought - why not the fallback to "link to this page as Foo" for the other cases
[16:23:46] <Dantman|FS>	Underscores to
[16:24:11] <Ace_NoOne>	Dantman|FS: huh?
[16:24:52] <Dantman|FS>	Making, say Jack's userpage display as "User:Jack_Phoenix" instead of "User:Jack Phoenix"
[16:24:59] <MinuteElectron>	Your Mum  -> {{DISPLAYTITE:Your_Mum}} would work.
[16:25:00] <Ace_NoOne>	ah right
[16:25:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	Dantman|FS: >:|
[16:25:22] <Jack_Phoenix>	No underscores. EVER!!
[16:25:23] <Ace_NoOne>	still, why has the previous behavior not been kept for diverging cases
[16:25:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	except on pages like "bitfields for rev deleted"
[16:42:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Different diff-colors no to discriminate red-green color blinds - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11374 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (revolus.web)
[16:43:17] <Ceas_Webhamster>	hello
[16:43:29] <Ceas_Webhamster>	can anyone help me with a sidebar problem?
[16:45:19] <Higdur>	anyone knows which file contains the layout for the password reminder mails?
[16:45:23] <Ace_NoOne>	Ceas_Webhamster: don't ask to ask
[16:45:45] <Ceas_Webhamster>	Ace_NoOne: not asking to ask, asking if I would be wasting my time asking
[16:45:50] <Higdur>	I need to change the information shown in those
[16:46:01] <Ace_NoOne>	Ceas_Webhamster: just ask your question please
[16:46:57] <Ace_NoOne>	Higdur: I'd do a fulltext search on all files in the MW dir (is there a rare keyword in the mail you could search for?)
[16:47:06] <Ceas_Webhamster>	Ace_NoOne: I'm changing the file Wikiname:Sidebar but it doesn't change the sidebar.  I've tried Main_Page?action=purge but that doesn't change anything
[16:47:44] <Ace_NoOne>	Ceas_Webhamster: it's [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
[16:47:50] <Ace_NoOne>	not [[Project:Sidebar]]
[16:48:12] <Ceas_Webhamster>	nice.  Thanks, Ace_NoOne
[16:48:18] <Ace_NoOne>	you're welcome
[16:49:57] <dvd_>	Hi, still had problems getting the mysql ressource in an extension. $this->mConn didn't work, $sqlres = & wfGetDB( DB_MASTER );  either. My aim is to get affected_rows after an update command... thx for help
[16:52:33] <asmarin>	how i can perform a backup with mysqldump only for a custom namespace wiki?
[16:56:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Makesysop crosswiki functions should be optional - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11373  (10vasilvv)
[16:58:37] <dvd_>	error msg is: <b>Warning</b>:  mysql_affected_rows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in 
[17:10:58] <VasilievVV>	Raymond_: if you are here, can you put russian translation of "Deleted user contributions" => "Удалённый вклад"?
[17:11:58] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: one sec pls
[17:13:10] <Gary_Kirk>	Can I chat in this channel about my own wikis or is it for tech support-y stuff only?
[17:17:11] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: can you confirm pls? http://rafb.net/p/yIG8H497.html
[17:17:27] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: aaagrs... no UTF8
[17:17:29] <Raymond_>	wait
[17:20:05] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: done
[17:20:15] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r25891 10/trunk/extensions/DeletedContributions/DeletedContributions.i18n.php: 
[17:20:15] <CIA-6>	Update Russian translation
[17:20:15] <CIA-6>	Per request of VasilievVV in IRC
[17:20:31] <VasilievVV>	Raymond_: thanks
[17:20:35] <Raymond_>	:)
[17:22:40] <MinuteElectron>	Gary_Kirk: just talk
[17:23:03] <Gary_Kirk>	about?
[17:23:55] <ralfWORK>	so I was looking at the little "how to make a table" page
[17:24:01] <ralfWORK>	and it refers to a 'wikitable' class
[17:24:03] <MinuteElectron>	13:13:10 < Gary_Kirk> Can I chat in this channel about my own wikis or is it for tech support-y stuff only?
[17:24:09] <ralfWORK>	of which, doesn't exist, as far as I can tell
[17:24:19] <ralfWORK>	is that dependant on the theme I have?
[17:24:24] <Gary_Kirk>	so what did you mean just talk; about anything? MediaWiki-related? :)
[17:24:35] <MinuteElectron>	Just talk about anything mediawiki related.
[17:24:55] <Gary_Kirk>	The classes are probably found in MediaWiki:Common.css on Wikipedia
[17:25:47] <ralfWORK>	hmm well they don't seem to be loading lol
[17:26:28] <Gary_Kirk>	To be honest I don't know what that means but if something with CSS or whatever hasn't worked for me I just copy Wikipedia's Common.css :P
[17:27:08] <ralfWORK>	oh. ok.
[17:28:39] <Gary_Kirk>	I have created a new MediaWiki site which the concept of is in "beta" at the moment
[17:29:22] <Gary_Kirk>	http://beta.xinki.org.uk/wikistories/w/
[17:32:37] <Gary_Kirk>	Would anyone take a look and see if they might be interested in helping develop Wikistories?
[17:37:10] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r25892 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (7 files): 
[17:37:10] <CIA-6>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[17:37:10] <CIA-6>	* arn, ca, cs, es, is, sah, scn.
[17:39:30] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r25893 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Update RELEASE-NOTES to previous commit.
[17:40:07] <Gary_Kirk>	MediaWiki: Je t'adore ;-)
[17:42:46] <ralfWORK>	erm ok
[17:43:02] <ralfWORK>	the wikipedia site doesn't have that css class either
[17:46:14] <misty_wrk>	Templates are great :) I seem to learn from osmosis in this channel.
[17:51:57] <ralfWORK>	so uhm
[17:52:01] <ralfWORK>	what skin does wikipedia use?
[17:52:05] <MinuteElectron>	monobook
[17:52:29] <ralfWORK>	hrm
[17:52:38] <ralfWORK>	then why does monobrook look crazy on my site? lol
[17:53:37] <misty_wrk>	What's your site?
[17:53:52] <misty_wrk>	btw probably because you spelled it monobRook and not monobook
[17:53:55] <ralfWORK>	www.dotc.biz
[17:54:10] <ralfWORK>	I'll change it to monobrook, 1 sec
[17:54:14] <misty_wrk>	that's so not monobook
[17:54:15] <misty_wrk>	lol
[17:54:17] <misty_wrk>	it's not BROOK
[17:54:19] <misty_wrk>	it's book
[17:54:19] <ralfWORK>	yea yea I know
[17:54:20] <misty_wrk>	no R
[17:54:24] <ralfWORK>	uhm
[17:54:29] <ralfWORK>	yea yea
[17:54:39] <ralfWORK>	I changed my prefs, and it looks crazy
[17:54:43] <ralfWORK>	I'll change it globally
[17:54:59] <hukl>	hey there
[17:56:16] <hukl>	i just installed mediawiki into /usr/local/www/www.domain.com/wiki/   there is a regular website under www.domain.com and i want to have a wiki in domain.com/wiki 
[17:56:20] <ralfWORK>	interesting
[17:56:21] <hukl>	this seems to work
[17:56:32] <ralfWORK>	misty_wrk: it looks ok now. it just looks crazy if I set my preferences.
[17:56:35] <hukl>	but i'd love to get the index.php stripped out of the url
[17:56:43] <hukl>	and i can't get it working
[17:56:49] <hukl>	any hints ? 
[17:57:03] <hukl>	is it even allowed to install it in a /wiki folder  ?
[17:57:03] <misty_wrk>	yes
[17:57:11] <misty_wrk>	You can put it wherever you want
[17:57:17] <misty_wrk>	Do you have shell access to your server?
[17:57:34] <hukl>	misty_wrk, im root
[17:57:37] <misty_wrk>	you need to modify DirectoryIndex in your .htaccess (or your global apache config file, even better)
[17:57:40] <hukl>	and have shell access
[17:57:49] <misty_wrk>	google apache DirectoryIndex and see what you find
[17:57:53] <hukl>	misty_wrk, its a virtual host
[17:58:03] <misty_wrk>	That doesn't matter
[17:58:15] <hukl>	misty_wrk, ok
[17:58:38] <hukl>	misty_wrk, its actually www.holo-world.net and www.holo-world.net/wiki
[17:58:48] <hukl>	im googling
[17:59:15] <ralfWORK>	yea, see, that stupid wikitable still isn't there
[18:00:08] <hukl>	misty_wrk, if i want index.php out of http://www.holo-world.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page - is directory index really gonna help me ? 
[18:00:44] <hukl>	misty_wrk, i need to set something in the LocaleSettings.php as well don't i
[18:01:10] <misty_wrk>	not for making the index.php go away from your URL
[18:01:38] <misty_wrk>	DirectoryIndex lists the filenames that are considered 'indexes' and thus not visible in the URL
[18:01:46] <misty_wrk>	it defaults to index.html and index.htm I believe
[18:01:53] <misty_wrk>	you need to add index.php
[18:02:06] <hukl>	misty_wrk, thats already in my httpd conf
[18:02:26] <misty_wrk>	yes and it's working
[18:02:42] <misty_wrk>	I clicked it and the index.php is not in the URL it gave me
[18:02:52] <misty_wrk>	oh yeah it is
[18:02:53] <misty_wrk>	odd
[18:03:15] <misty_wrk>	I think it is something about rewrite rules
[18:03:22] <hukl>	misty_wrk, you need to set something in LocaleSettings so mediawiki isnt even generating these links
[18:06:04] <ralfWORK>	bleh
[18:06:12] <ralfWORK>	well I put a new common.css in there
[18:07:45] <ralfWORK>	how do I do this... hrm
[18:07:48] <ralfWORK>	I don't see an edit button
[18:08:11] <ralfWORK>	the page says it's locked
[18:09:47] <ralfWORK>	is there a way to unlock pages?
[18:14:09] <^demon>	I love long function names.
[18:14:11] <^demon>	function fetchScaryTemplateMaybeFromCache($url)
[18:14:18] <ralfWORK>	heh
[18:14:31] <ralfWORK>	I hate short fuction names more
[18:14:44] <Harrie>	doit()
[18:14:49] <ralfWORK>	yea
[18:15:31] <ralfWORK>	bleh
[18:15:37] <ralfWORK>	what's the default admin user/pass?
[18:15:46] <Harrie>	What's the best way to debug a search function that isn't working whatsoever? I rebuilt the index, but to no avail. Using 1.11.0
[18:15:51] <^demon>	I wrote one once called SanitizeJoshsCodeCuzHeCantProgramForShit()
[18:16:02] <ralfWORK>	heh
[18:28:50] <libertad0>	Ho room
[18:29:16] <libertad0>	I want link our wiki (www.wikimedia.org.ve) with commons. It is posible?
[18:31:26] <tomas_>	hey guys, have a quick question about mediawiki...seen 1 page that says mediawiki supports oracle backend...but in the manual it doesnt make mention of it
[18:31:42] <tomas_>	does mediawiki have support for oracle db backend?
[18:32:29] <libertad0>	Someone?
[18:35:52] <G_SabinoMullane>	tomas_: No
[18:35:57] <CIA-6>	03brion * r25894 10/trunk/phase3/ (FAQ INSTALL config/index.php): * (bug 11365) doc links update
[18:36:11] <misty_wrk>	I've got a template question.  if I am using the format where you have a single template parameter per line, is there a way I can include a list as a parameter?  I don't always want it, but in a few instances, I want to have a bullet list as the value of the parameter
[18:36:17] <G_SabinoMullane>	tomas_: It did once, kind of, but I don't think anyone is supporting it actively now.
[18:36:58] <tomas_>	ok
[18:37:08] <tomas_>	so what do enterprise level users use for db backend?
[18:37:12] <tomas_>	mysql or postgres cluster?
[18:37:50] <flyingparchment>	if you're interested in using oracle in production, i can look at reviving support
[18:38:17] <^demon>	tomas_: My company uses mySQL
[18:38:19] <misty_wrk>	http://rafb.net/p/sFoLbo13.html There is the template I am trying to work out
[18:38:50] <misty_wrk>	tomas_: I think wikipedia runs on mysql and I don't know if you can get more robust than that
[18:39:26] <tomas_>	yes, i am definitely interested in using mediawiki with oracle db backend
[18:39:38] <tomas_>	already have an oracle cluster setup, so it would snap in nicely
[18:39:55] <datura>	moin
[18:40:05] <tomas_>	if i have to use mysql or postgres, would require a couple more servers and learning clustering for postgres
[18:40:23] <^demon>	tomas_: I guess it depends on the size of your enterprise. I've got a mySQL db with a single slave.
[18:42:34] <tomas_>	wow, figured all large companies would use mediawiki + oracle
[18:42:44] <tomas_>	since most already have the oracle licensing
[18:42:57] <^demon>	$title->getFullUrl pulls the full page URL, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Article, right?
[18:43:19] <misty_wrk>	tomas_: my company uses oracle for some things and mysql for others.  mysql is pretty low-maintenance and worry-free, oracle is a PITA
[18:43:26] <misty_wrk>	Does anybody have time to look at my template issue?
[18:43:46] <^demon>	tomas_: We do have Oracle, but there was no official support for Oracle, so I quickly set up some mySQL servers and an apache server for this.
[18:43:52] <^demon>	misty_wrk: Not right now, sorry.
[18:43:59] <misty_wrk>	:( ok
[18:44:06] <tomas_>	cool, i'll look down that avenue
[18:44:07] <CIA-6>	03brion * r25895 10/branches/REL1_11/phase3/ (FAQ INSTALL README config/index.php): Merge URL updates from r25872, r25894
[18:44:22] <tomas_>	maybe the oracle dba will let me run postgres on their servers :)
[18:45:23] *brion-office 	sighs
[18:45:25] <brion-office>	When querying boolean values:  A boolean ini value of off will be returned as an empty string or "0" while a boolean ini value of on will be returned as "1". The function can also return the literal string of INI value.
[18:45:25] <misty_wrk>	well I can just add <br /> for now and not have the bullets
[18:45:35] <brion-office>	"it might return this.... or it might return that"
[18:45:43] <brion-office>	iow "fuck you, documentation reader!"
[18:45:50] *brion-office 	stabs
[18:46:06] <misty_wrk>	brion-office: unless I am reading that wrong, they are saying it might be 0/1 or off/on
[18:46:28] <misty_wrk>	am I just projecting my knowledge of what boolean means or what?
[18:47:15] <brion-office>	right
[18:47:16] <^demon>	misty_wrk: The last part, "The function can also return the literal string..."
[18:47:18] <brion-office>	so it could be fucking anything :D
[18:47:32] <^demon>	I could return boolean, or perhaps the original string...WHO KNOWS?!?
[18:47:36] <misty_wrk>	But, the literal string of the value
[18:47:42] <misty_wrk>	oh
[18:47:48] <misty_wrk>	what might the original string be?
[18:48:07] <^demon>	brion-office: Any thoughts as to my question above?
[18:48:35] <brion-office>	what was the quyestion?
[18:48:45] <^demon>	$title->getFullUrl pulls the full page URL, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Article, right?
[18:48:47] <misty_wrk>	$title->fullURL
[18:48:51] <misty_wrk>	yeah that
[18:49:08] <^demon>	Never used it, so I thought I'd ask before I tried it and looked like a fool :-P
[18:50:42] <brion-office>	^demon: yep
[18:51:19] <^demon>	That's what I wanted.
[18:52:24] <^demon>	brion-office: My thoughts were...for $wgEnableScaryTransclusion, it's currently all/none. What if a new variable (array) was created to specify what hostnames *can* transclude. Would make using it safer.
[18:52:32] <libertad0>	I typed a image to link for show external imagen from commons into my wiki page, but I can´t to load the image to show (www.wikimedia.org.ve)
[18:58:42] <misty_wrk>	Is there any way at all of keeping track of templates? seems like they could grow out of hand quickly
[18:59:02] <^demon>	misty_wrk: Define "keeping track of"
[18:59:29] <misty_wrk>	knowing about them mostly.  I could imagine writing a template and forgetting about it
[18:59:49] <^demon>	You can use [[Special:Allpages]] and then sort by namespace.
[18:59:52] <misty_wrk>	or for documentation.  I suppose it might be confusing if someone else comes along to edit my page that's a template
[19:00:08] <misty_wrk>	I feel like I need to put a comment in the page somehow, but I don't know how to do comments in wiki text
[19:00:47] <^demon>	<!-- bla bla bla -->
[19:00:51] <^demon>	Just like HTML comments.
[19:00:58] <misty_wrk>	yay
[19:01:34] <Erkkimon>	I guess that it _is_ html comment.
[19:01:50] <Erkkimon>	Html can be used in wikitext.
[19:01:50] <misty_wrk>	lol, probably right
[19:02:09] <^demon>	Erkkimon: Some HTML can.
[19:02:14] <misty_wrk>	not all html apparently, I could not use <button> so had to make a template for a span that looked like a button
[19:02:33] <Erkkimon>	OK.
[19:03:14] <jdpond>	brion-office: I'm speaking tomorrow PM for a group of CIO's and I want to extol the successes of Wikipedia and this group.  Are you still the only Wikipedia IT and has Wikipedia grown beyond 5 full timers?  Should I even be asking these questions in this forum?
[19:03:27] <Erkkimon>	Does anyone know how using html is done in mediawiki: are some tags made unavailable or or some html-like tags added to wikitext?
[19:03:40] <Erkkimon>	*or -> are
[19:04:23] <misty_wrk>	Erkkimon: I assume there is a list of 'safe' tags, just like a lot of web 'forums' have
[19:04:47] <misty_wrk>	proabbly it depends whether you would be adding function to the page (like adding a button or javascript)
[19:04:48] <justkristin>	oh, please, please, not to be a pain in the 'tocks, but I have been charged by Sales to make static HTML versions of 4 wikis, and I cannot seem to make dumpHTML grab special pages...  
[19:05:26] <Erkkimon>	Yeah.
[19:05:29] <misty_wrk>	justkristin: I think you can dump it to xml and then use one of the various transformation tools to make that into xhtml
[19:05:39] <misty_wrk>	I haven't done it but I have done similar stuff with docbook
[19:05:51] <misty_wrk>	maybe there is an easier way with wikitext
[19:07:27] <misty_wrk>	did you see this, justkristin: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Alternative_parsers
[19:09:03] <misty_wrk>	btw the dumps at static.wikipedia.org do not seem to have special pages either
[19:10:40] <justkristin>	thank you, misty_wrk.  I did see that page, but was hoping to go straight to HTML
[19:10:55] <justkristin>	I will check into dumping to XML and then parsing that
[19:10:58] <justkristin>	thank you!
[19:11:15] <misty_wrk>	I don't know if you will have luck.  Does it make sense for the special pages to be available anyway? most of them are based on queries
[19:18:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) No (or broken) whitespace stripping in unnamed template parameter values. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11375 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (cogden)
[19:19:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Crosswiki for {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7911  (10innocentkiller)
[19:19:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reasonably efficient interwiki transclusion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9890  (10innocentkiller)
[19:19:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No (or broken) whitespace stripping in unnamed template parameter values. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11375  (10cogden)
[19:27:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create whitelist for interwiki transcluding - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11376 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (innocentkiller)
[19:28:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload a new version of this file, postgres database error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11363  (10elly)
[19:28:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create whitelist for interwiki transcluding - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11376  (10innocentkiller)
[19:34:07] <misty_wrk>	I renamed a category, and CategoryTree now shows it under both names.  There is no page that lists the old name as a category.  Is this a CategoryTree bug or a quirk in MW?
[19:37:38] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) update INSTALL and FAQ files - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11365  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:39:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Not show subcategory if subcategory is itself - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11377 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (innocentkiller)
[19:44:29] <CIA-6>	03brion * r25896 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[19:44:30] <CIA-6>	* (bug 11355) Fix false positives in Safe Mode and other config detection
[19:44:30] <CIA-6>	 when boolean settings are disabled with 'Off' via php_admin_value/php_value
[19:55:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) safe_mode check broken (fix inside) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11355  +comment (10brion)
[19:58:36] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r25898 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[19:58:36] <CIA-6>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[19:58:36] <CIA-6>	* sk, tet (new).
[19:58:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Formatting problem: Included pages & Parser.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11345  (10brion)
[20:04:00] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: uh, you renamed a category? how? category pages don't have a [move] tab.
[20:04:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Different diff-colors no to discriminate red-green color blinds - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11374  (10revolus.web)
[20:06:08] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r25899 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:06:08] <CIA-6>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[20:06:08] <CIA-6>	* Fixes and additions to 3 extensions for tet.
[20:07:20] <misty_wrk>	Duesentrieb: you are right, I guess I just took everything out of the category and assumed it would go away
[20:07:23] <misty_wrk>	is there no way to get rid of it?
[20:07:33] <misty_wrk>	or a way to tell CategoryTree not to show empty categories?
[20:07:34] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: sure, delete the page
[20:07:41] <misty_wrk>	oh
[20:07:42] <misty_wrk>	duh
[20:07:52] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: since it doesn't load category contents up front, it can't know which categories are empty
[20:08:39] <misty_wrk>	I clicked the category (to go to its page), deleted the page, and the category is still showing up
[20:08:50] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: categories are a bit odd - they consist of the category page, and of the category content. if you delete the category page, the category still "extists" in a way, if it has content (but not for categorytree).
[20:09:14] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: but anyway, it's the category page that links it to a parent category, and this is what cattree uses
[20:10:00] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: it's still showing up? it shouldn't... but it could be a caching issue.
[20:10:28] <Duesentrieb>	did you set $wgCategoryTreeHTTPCache = true?
[20:12:12] <misty_wrk>	no
[20:12:41] <misty_wrk>	I did the shift-reload trick 2-3 times
[20:12:45] <misty_wrk>	I will try logging off and back on
[20:13:30] <misty_wrk>	yep that did it
[20:14:44] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25900 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: 
[20:14:44] <CIA-6>	Removed unnecessary return value for formHTML(), improved check for whether
[20:14:44] <CIA-6>	user can edit a page, got 'autocomplete on' property working again
[20:16:18] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25901 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormClasses.inc: Code that parses template now ignores 'noinclude' sections
[20:17:31] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25902 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateForm.php: Call to CSS file now uses $sfgScriptPath
[20:18:04] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25903 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateProperty.php: Call to CSS file now uses $sfgScriptPath
[20:18:06] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: that's odd... caches are not per-user. well, whatever. I also can't reproduce the problem here.
[20:18:18] <Duesentrieb>	it was probably somehow stuck in your browser
[20:18:53] <misty_wrk>	:)
[20:18:57] <misty_wrk>	thanks for the help anyways
[20:19:02] <misty_wrk>	I did some templates :) wonderful stuff
[20:19:07] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25904 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateTemplate.php: Call to CSS file now uses $sfgScriptPath
[20:19:19] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: did you look into parser functions yet?
[20:19:39] <misty_wrk>	no, why was I supposed to?
[20:20:07] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: well... with that, you can go completely crazy with templates.
[20:20:16] <misty_wrk>	lol
[20:20:40] <misty_wrk>	I did have one thing I couldn't figure out how to do.  I wanted to use a bullet list as the value for one of the parameters
[20:20:47] <Duesentrieb>	the most obious use is making some parts of the template optional, or depend on template parameters in an arbitrary way
[20:20:50] <misty_wrk>	I couldn't make it work so I just manually used <br /> tags instead
[20:20:57] <misty_wrk>	ahh ok
[20:21:00] *misty_wrk 	writes down to read about that
[20:21:04] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25905 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_AddData.php: Improved formatting, removed unnecessary return value for formHTML()
[20:21:25] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: note that you have to install the parser functions as an extension though 
[20:21:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a list of primary contributors to a page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7988  +comment (10le.korrigan)
[20:21:32] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25906 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_EditData.php: Removed unnecessary return value for formHTML()
[20:21:34] <misty_wrk>	got it
[20:21:48] <Duesentrieb>	anyway... a bulleted list as a template param... hm, it should work. but i never tried it.
[20:22:13] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25907 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: New version (0.6.1), new homepage for project
[20:22:39] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25908 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version - 0.6.1
[20:23:06] <misty_wrk>	I didn't know whether to put each bullet on the same line or separate lines.  Tried different ways but it never would work
[20:24:26] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: hold on, i'll show you...
[20:29:08] <Duesentrieb>	misty_wrk: http://brightbyte.de/page/User:Daniel/Sandbox
[20:29:35] <Duesentrieb>	http://brightbyte.de/page/User:Daniel/Sandbox?action=raw to see the source
[20:29:45] <Duesentrieb>	this is the template: http://brightbyte.de/page/Template:Box
[20:31:20] <misty_wrk>	thanks
[20:32:52] <misty_wrk>	well I was using named parameters
[20:32:56] <misty_wrk>	I think that was my downfall
[20:33:08] <misty_wrk>	like |ip= <list_of_IPs>
[20:36:25] <Duesentrieb>	should work the same. but you might have to start a new line after the =, *or* make sure there is *no* space after it.
[20:37:13] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki is touchy about newlines, and about whitespace at the start of lines. the way leading/trailing whitespace in template params is handeled is not totally... obvious. and not quite consistent with what parser-functiosn do, i think
[20:37:31] <Duesentrieb>	let me try some combinations...
[20:38:07] <misty_wrk>	I appreciate it, please don't go to trouble if you are busy
[20:38:25] <Duesentrieb>	i'm not busy, i'm procrastinating.
[20:38:26] <Duesentrieb>	http://brightbyte.de/page/User:Daniel/Sandbox
[20:38:45] <Duesentrieb>	hm... fun... i can't get it to work with named params either, it seems :)
[20:39:29] <misty_wrk>	yeah it's the same thing that happened to me
[20:39:36] <misty_wrk>	the first one gets an actual *, not a bullet
[20:40:03] <Duesentrieb>	oh, i think i know how to fix it.
[20:40:48] <Duesentrieb>	yep, fixed: http://brightbyte.de/page/User:Daniel/Sandbox
[20:41:11] <Duesentrieb>	the trick is in the template itself: the parameter {{{xxx}}} must be on a line of its own.
[20:41:22] <Duesentrieb>	otherwise, the * will not end up at the start of a line.
[20:41:38] <Duesentrieb>	fun though. named parameters are trimmed, unnaled ones are not.
[20:42:08] <MZMcBride>	is the dismissable sitenotice default in mediawiki or is it done via extension or something?
[20:45:18] <misty_wrk>	Duesentrieb: ok
[20:55:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Transwiki Special: Import via redirected interwiki URL spews PHP error about HTTP error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11378 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (brion)
[20:56:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) No way to define default form for default (blank) namespace (Main) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11379 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[21:01:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No way to define default form for default (blank) namespace ( Main) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11379  (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[21:03:29] <mick_work>	hi everyone, has anyone put mediawiki behind a reverse proxy? (ala mod_proxy?)
[21:04:12] <Duesentrieb>	mick_work: wikimedia (i.e. wikipedia & co) runs behind squids.
[21:04:31] <mick_work>	i can get the page to load but there is something wrong, since i can't get the css or images (the links are wrong)
[21:04:32] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki has explicite support for squid, including selective purging, etc. 
[21:04:42] <Duesentrieb>	not sure how well it will work with other reverse procies
[21:04:44] <mick_work>	hmm
[21:05:25] <Duesentrieb>	you should be able to get pages, and the raw files (css, images, etc). 
[21:05:38] <Duesentrieb>	but i would expect problems with purging (or the absense thereof)
[21:07:02] <Duesentrieb>	mick_work: there's a lot of squid-related options (look for Squid in DefaultSettings.php). Some of these may also me needed or usefull with other reverse proxies.
[21:07:07] <Duesentrieb>	or... use squid :)
[21:07:44] <mick_work>	<Location /wiki>
[21:07:46] <mick_work>	    ProxyPass http://wiki.labs.mydomain.com
[21:07:47] <mick_work>	    ProxyPassReverse http://wiki.labs.mydomain.com
[21:07:48] <mick_work>	</Location>
[21:07:54] <mick_work>	that works for things like bugzilla
[21:08:07] <mick_work>	thanks Duesentrieb -- i'll look at those options
[21:08:22] <mick_work>	but i am only sometimes using the reverse proxy
[21:08:30] <mick_work>	will that make a difference?
[21:08:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Formatting problem: Included pages & Parser.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11345  (10jhcwilson)
[21:09:06] <mick_work>	:q
[21:09:13] <mick_work>	damn - wrong window :)
[21:09:27] <Duesentrieb>	mick_work: you have to change mediawiki's config every time, yes. though you can put the squid stuff in an extra file, and simply enable/disable an include for that file in LocalSettings.php
[21:09:52] <mick_work>	what do you mean by: "you have to change mediawiki's config every time"
[21:10:37] <Duesentrieb>	the config has to be different if you use a reverse proxy.
[21:11:08] <Duesentrieb>	if youtake away the proxy, you need to change the config  again
[21:11:15] <mick_work>	hmm
[21:11:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reasonably efficient interwiki transclusion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9890  (10robchur)
[21:11:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Crosswiki for {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7911  (10robchur)
[21:11:25] <mick_work>	so you can't have it do both?
[21:11:30] <mick_work>	that is odd
[21:11:31] <Duesentrieb>	i think the most important bit is how mediawiki determines the user's ip
[21:11:39] <Duesentrieb>	do both? at once?
[21:11:45] <mick_work>	correct
[21:12:00] <mick_work>	i can access bugzilla (for instance) from the outside and internally
[21:12:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVGs rendered as "empty" images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5463  (10FSNNDYHEXYAP)
[21:12:04] <Duesentrieb>	mick_work: no get the correct ip, it needs to know if the request is comming from a proxy...
[21:12:16] <Duesentrieb>	bugzilla doesn't care about ips, i guess
[21:12:35] <mick_work>	hmm, so i may have to have 2 directories accessing the same db
[21:12:51] <Duesentrieb>	you would? why?
[21:13:11] <mick_work>	well - my problem so far hasn't been i.p. related, just that it doesn't add "wiki" to the urls
[21:13:26] <Duesentrieb>	well, i have no clue about that stuff
[21:13:33] <Duesentrieb>	i have never tried to set this up :=)
[21:13:42] <mick_work>	heh, ok :)
[21:13:49] <Duesentrieb>	i just see what mediawiki needs the knowledge for
[21:15:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Form is not disabled when used with KeepYourHandsToYourself extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11370  +comment (10yaron57)
[21:19:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Formatting problem: Included pages & Parser.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11345  +comment (10jhcwilson)
[21:19:52] <mick_work>	well - nm i just won't put it behind the reverse proxy
[21:20:12] <mick_work>	:)
[21:21:31] <Duesentrieb>	you can enable the integrated file-based caching if you like
[21:21:38] <Duesentrieb>	pretty good for mostly-read wikis
[21:40:22] <mick_work>	well a reverse proxy is used to have a webserver behind the DMZ accessible from the outside
[21:41:18] <mick_work>	| outsideserver.com on DMZ |  [[Firewall]] | internal webserver
[21:41:47] <ponyofdeath>	hi, wondering why i cannot edit the navigation bar links looking at "http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Navigation_bar" but for some reason its not working
[21:42:13] <Duesentrieb>	mick_work: hm, having an internal server accessible from the outside is kind of a contradiction in terms, right? not to say, a bad idea.
[21:42:42] <Duesentrieb>	mick_work: if the server gets compromised (which can be done nicely via http, all through the proxy), you internal network is open to attacks.
[21:42:52] <Duesentrieb>	it kind of invalidates the point of a DMZ
[21:48:42] <mick_work>	you punch a hole to get to an internal webserver
[21:48:47] <mick_work>	in my case via https
[21:52:38] <Duesentrieb>	mick_work: yes. which would require you to make sure the webserver and all webaps are 100% bullet proof.
[21:53:13] <mick_work>	right, it beats having the whole thing accessible though
[21:53:40] <Duesentrieb>	if you want to protect the server, yes. if you want to protect your network, no.
[21:53:47] <mick_work>	lets say you want to make a website (wiki) accessible from the outside, but that is also your NFS/SMB server... etc
[21:53:49] <Duesentrieb>	i guess the latter is more important
[21:54:23] <Duesentrieb>	ha! don't put a werbserver on a box that has critical data!
[21:54:53] <mick_work>	i disagree
[21:55:11] <mick_work>	i understand what you mean
[21:55:12] <Duesentrieb>	you are running a public service on a box that has internal data.
[21:55:17] <Duesentrieb>	disaster waiting to happen.
[21:55:23] <mick_work>	it is imperative to lock down the webserver (ala mod_security etc)
[21:56:18] <mick_work>	if it is only forwarding https on a non-standard port and you lock down apache2 -- i don't see it being an issue 
[21:56:43] <Duesentrieb>	ports are not relevant, https is not relevant.
[21:56:45] <mick_work>	you have just as much of a chance that someone compromises your IDS and PIX firewall
[21:56:58] <Duesentrieb>	if you have one php injection, you are fuxored.
[21:57:11] <mick_work>	Duesentrieb: i disagree - https is relevant when you have login info / important data
[21:57:18] <mick_work>	Duesentrieb: how so?
[21:57:33] <mick_work>	if you lock down apache2 that will not matter
[21:57:38] <Duesentrieb>	"run arbitrary code on box with internal data and access to internal network". nice
[21:57:44] <mick_work>	Duesentrieb: or have you never heard of mod_security
[21:58:04] <Duesentrieb>	i have not used it, and i don't know what exactly it implied for php.
[21:58:23] <mick_work>	it can detect sql injections etc. 
[21:58:34] <Duesentrieb>	anyway. yes, hhtps matters for ptotecting login datam, but it doesn't protect against attacks against the system.
[21:58:55] <mick_work>	and it blocks them (and it can automatically block an ip w/ your firewall)
[21:59:11] <mick_work>	i know what you mean
[21:59:21] <Duesentrieb>	and yes, you can make the box "so secure", but then you might as well have it public. if you are so confident about securing it. the point of a dmz is: NO outside access to internal network, period.
[21:59:30] <Duesentrieb>	everything else is just fooling yourself.
[21:59:39] <mick_work>	if you run a crappy web app (like phpbb) you are asking for trouble (if you don't know what you are doing w/ regards to locking down apache)
[22:00:07] <mick_work>	Duesentrieb: sometimes it isn't your choice
[22:00:15] <Duesentrieb>	true
[22:00:20] <mick_work>	if you get what i mean
[22:00:23] <Duesentrieb>	still a very bad idea.
[22:00:30] <mick_work>	so you do what you can to lock things down
[22:00:41] <mick_work>	well it doesn't keep me up at night
[22:01:52] <mick_work>	i guess w/o an exploit against apache2 / mod_security / mod_ssl -- i don't see someone compromising the box
[22:02:14] <Duesentrieb>	or an exploit of any webapp you run.
[22:02:34] <mick_work>	read up on modsecurity :)
[22:02:39] <mick_work>	that is what it prevents
[22:04:11] <mick_work>	someone non-technical running an old version of Firefox or IE on a Windows client is scarier to me than that (or someone who d/ls a bunch of stuff from p2p sites on Windows XP)
[22:04:31] <mick_work>	that can have the same effect
[22:04:38] <Duesentrieb>	mick_work: well... it just tried to filter posts and stuff, right? so it's just another hacky patchy we-hope-we-though-of-everything thing...
[22:06:21] <Duesentrieb>	i mean, stuff like that can be usefull, but i wouldn't rely on it
[22:10:18] <jimbojw>	can anyone suggest a good color-coded tool for evaluating file diffs in *nix?
[22:10:49] *jimbojw 	realizes that there may be better channels to post that question, but nonetheless did so here because he values the opinions of those in the room
[22:11:06] <Duesentrieb>	jimbojw: kdiff3?
[22:11:30] <jimbojw>	yeah - i've used that before - i'm about to install it again, have you used any others?
[22:11:51] <Duesentrieb>	even rarely use that
[22:21:30] <iano>	I have a question about Templates which define headings.
[22:22:47] <iano>	My template (two params, one optional) declares a heading like so:
[22:22:53] <iano>	=={{#if: {{{2|}}} | [[{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}]] | [[{{{1}}}]] }}==
[22:23:45] <iano>	But if I try to then edit that section in the page, I either see garbage or a blank section.
[22:24:21] <iano>	Example: http://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Random_Numbers
[22:25:20] <iano>	Template defined here: http://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Template:Header
[22:26:32] <iano>	Is there a better way to define headers via templates?
[22:26:39] <Pathoschild>	iano: When the header is placed by a template, keep in mind that editing that section will lead you to editing the template page.
[22:26:54] <iano>	How to avoid that?
[22:27:27] <Pathoschild>	Possibly only define the heading text, not the heading itself. For example, =={{template}}== instead of just {{template}}.
[22:27:45] <Pathoschild>	Then editing that section would not edit the template page.
[22:28:02] <iano>	Well, the reason I'm doing this is to define both the heading and the same named category without duplication.
[22:28:59] <Pathoschild>	You can still do that; just add the category to the template. What is important is having the actual ==heading syntax== on the page you want 'edit section' to edit.
[22:29:07] <iano>	or is it OK to declare a category within the heading itself? that would be OK.
[22:29:21] <iano>	Thanks I'll try that.
[22:29:22] <Pathoschild>	Yep; just make sure it's on the same line.
[22:29:29] <Pathoschild>	Welcome.
[22:35:38] <iano>	Doesn't seem to work. "=={{header|name}}==" now just results in "==[[name]]==" being embedded in the page; the markup is not recognized as a header.
[23:01:35] <Pathoschild>	iano: Link?
[23:03:52] <Pathoschild>	iano: If it's <http://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Template:Header>, all output must be on the same line. There are several line-breaks in the template's output.
[23:39:43] <ST47>	Well then.
[23:43:39] <Hellevator>	what do I need to change so that my site's URLs will point to www.example.com/wiki/Main_Page instead of www.example.com/Main_Page   ?
[23:44:12] <cloakable>	Heh
[23:44:21] <MZMcBride>	set $wgArticlePath          = "/wiki/$1";
[23:44:35] <Hellevator>	ah thanks. its just /wiki by default
[23:46:41] <Hellevator>	I'm sorry I spoke too soon.  I have $wgScriptPath set to "/wiki" and $wgArticlePath set to "$wgScriptPath/$1"   
[23:46:41] <Hellevator>	That should be the same but its not point to the right place?
[23:48:01] <Hellevator>	err ok its slightly different than I thought at first.
[23:48:01] <Hellevator>	My url points to www.example.com/wiki/Main_Page now but when I go there I get 404?
[23:48:03] <Duesentrieb>	it should. unless you set wgArticle first.
[23:48:16] <Duesentrieb>	$wgScriptPath must be defined before you use it in wgArticle
[23:48:35] <Duesentrieb>	ah, well, the 404 is a different problem
[23:48:46] <Duesentrieb>	your article path is set up to use "pretty" urls. 
[23:48:55] <Duesentrieb>	for this to work you need the appropriate rewrite rules in place
[23:49:16] <Hellevator>	Duesentrieb: Ah that must be it. I have no put any rewrite rules in.
[23:49:25] <Hellevator>	Where can i find them so i don't have to write them myself?
[23:49:56] <Duesentrieb>	read the faq
[23:50:01] <Duesentrieb>	klook for "short urls".
[23:50:57] <Hellevator>	Duesentrieb: Will do. Thanks