[00:00:58] alxndr, I'd hazard "everything" as a guess, since it was introduced over two years ago and I've never heard of anyone using it. [00:01:08] i just enabled it and it seems to work fine [00:30:30] <_sj_> I'm looking at openid right now, actually [00:30:39] <_sj_> yes, it's evan prodromou [00:30:44] *_sj_ summons evanpro [00:31:20] <_sj_> I would really like to see it bundled with standard mwiki [00:31:27] <_sj_> especially as SUL comes into being [00:32:37] <_sj_> I have 4 mwikis and a trac instance on a dev server, and would love for them to understand a single auth method [00:39:41] where does mediawiki save database information? what file? [00:39:53] it's in a MySQL database [00:39:59] 03(mod) All sysops on iswiki should be bureaucrats - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11388 +comment (10cbrown1023) [00:40:47] so you magical access this mysql database that has the mysql password with no password? [00:49:49] Shadow_mil: the info to access the database is in LocalSettings.php [00:49:59] ok ty [01:16:10] can I add an external link with a space without it breaking [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main Page] [01:23:00] No. [01:23:01] use an underscore [01:23:11] It needs to be urlencoded somehow. [01:23:20] The standard way is Main%20Page. [01:28:44] never mind [01:28:46] it's been fixed [01:48:32] what's the irc for Bugzilla [01:54:19] well, if there isn't any, can someone take a quick look at bug 11008 [02:00:43] anyone familiar with the semantic mediawiki extension and how it does caching? [02:08:05] am I right in remembering template parameters don't work in HTML tags or something? [02:11:32] we'd like images on our wiki to not be hyperlinks, is there a simple way to accomplish this? [02:21:55] is there a feature that might help us accomplish this?... or would it require a code change?... [02:27:20] b11guest, for historical reasons, this isn't easily possible. The best you can do is crazy CSS obfuscation, or the ImageMap extension (to get the image to link elsewhere). [02:27:46] Simetrical, ok thank you [02:28:06] Simetrical, is the ImageMap extension something we'd want to use for this [02:28:43] It wouldn't help for this. It would allow you to link the image to somewhere other than the image page, but probably not to remove a link altogether. [02:28:48] (although maybe, I don't know) [02:29:14] ok, thats what we want [02:29:30] linking all the images to just their source image file would work well [02:29:38] can imageMap accomplish that? [02:30:51] Instead of their image pages, you mean? [02:31:10] ImageMap allows you to create image maps. In particular, you can create image maps using only one area, so the entire image links to any single place you want. [02:31:17] Simetrical, yes, its ok if the images are links, but we dont want them to goto the image page [02:31:41] 03greg * r25929 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DatabasePostgres.php): Set search_path on Postgres if wgDBmwschema != 'mediawiki' to support multiple wikis for a single user, per discussion on bug 11136 [02:32:15] 03(FIXED) Postgres database code does not support multiple schemas - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11136 +comment (10greg) [02:33:21] b11guest: you can change image thumbnails to link to the actual image by editing includes/Linker.php [02:34:11] alxndr, thanks, ill take a look at that [02:35:00] in function makeThumbLink2, look for $s .= $thumb->toHtml towards the end, change 'desc-link' => true to 'file-link' => true [02:36:02] alexndr, thanks, i see makeThumbLinkObj, but no makeThumbLink2 [02:36:32] it's the next function [02:36:35] 03ivanlanin * r25930 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesId.php: (bug 11356) Minor fix to messagesid.php. Patch by Borgx. [02:36:47] in 1.11 [02:37:17] alxndr, i think we're using 1.10 [02:37:36] 03(FIXED) Minor fix to messagesid.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11356 +comment (10ivanlanin) [02:37:37] alxndr, ive fouind 2 cases of "$thumb->toHtml" [02:39:00] alxndr, hmm it looks like maybe my version is different then yours, there is no "desc-link" in the whole file [02:39:10] arg what a pain. [02:39:58] you could upgrade to 1.11... [02:40:12] alxndr, well thanks so much for helping us anyways, any idea how its done in 1.10? [02:40:40] alxndr, well, upgrading isn't possible, we've made major changes that wouldn't allow that [02:40:59] alxndr, but none of that would effect this [02:43:55] try this, see where $u is defined in makeThumbLinkObj(), change it to $img->getURL(); [02:44:40] alxndr, i will try that thanks! ... sec [02:48:09] alxndr: ugh, that didn't seem to change a thing, any other ideas?... [02:48:23] did you action=purge ? [02:48:40] alxndr, no [02:48:52] alxndr, just call a page with that get var? [02:48:58] yeah [02:49:43] alxndr, that doesn't seem to change anything [02:50:02] alxndr, i added action=purge on [02:50:04] well i'm out of ideas. [02:50:07] a page we were using [02:50:28] alxndr, did i do something wrong? should that have worked, or was it just an idea?... [02:50:49] when I changed $u, it was set to $img->getTitle()->getLocalURL( $query ); is that right? [02:51:12] little of both I guess? I was messing around with the stuff that makes thumbnails and wasn't getting anything to change unless i did action=purge [02:51:37] alxndr, ok [02:51:56] but was that the $u I was supposed to change, the one in that function set to "$img->getTitle()->getLocalURL( $query );" [02:52:55] yeah [02:53:28] alxndr, it turns out it was working [02:53:43] i was reading where the $u went, and it was only for images with the "thumb" property added [02:53:58] and the image we were testing it on wasn't a thumbnail [02:54:12] ah [02:54:20] alxndr, but thumbs work just as well for us, so we can just use that, thanks so much! [02:57:05] 03(mod) Allow null edits to fill in missing edit summaries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279 +comment (10e.martinson) [03:15:48] can someone help me figure out a problem I'm having with svg files on my wiki? [03:15:51] http://commons.bahaikipedia.org/Image:Broom_icon.svg [03:15:56] http://commons.bahaikipedia.org/images/2/2c/Broom_icon.svg [03:16:05] You can see it is uploaded correctly to the site [03:16:14] but when it loads through mediawiki get's all messed up [03:28:54] Simetrical: OpenID isn't mine. I don't see why it would need to be bundled with MediaWiki though. It seems to work fine as a plugin [03:30:12] Simetrical|away: I do think, however that there are some aspects of OpenID that could be used in MediaWiki in general though, especially the external ID [03:34:18] 03(mod) Different diff-colors no to discriminate red-green color blinds - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11374 +comment (10rene.kijewski) [03:36:18] 03(mod) When I click cur, diff and last on history and Recent Changes, it asks me if I want to download something. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11368 (10N/A) [03:53:19] 03(mod) Different diff-colors no to discriminate red-green color blinds - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11374 (10rene.kijewski) [03:53:24] hey, some guy (Dantman from Wikia) had a neat idea on how to un-dismiss the Sitenotice just by editting it, rather than needing to edit the Sitenotice_id, too: just replace the use of the mw-message with the current revision id of the Sitenotice page. whaddya guys think? [04:11:57] 03(NEW) want to make thumbnail's default width larger - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11393 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (tamago915) [04:44:33] Any way to have multiple wikis share one userbase, so one would only need to register once to have access to them all? [04:51:08] yes [04:51:21] Care to enlighten? [04:54:25] Al: Just had to scan DefaultSettings.php for the details. wgSharedDB should do the trick [04:54:40] the shared DB stores the user credentials. [04:55:28] it's experimental code and I didn't test it for some time. use at your own risk. Good luck :-) [04:55:37] lol [04:56:37] :D Ill look it up, thank you. *Goes to annihilate wiki* [05:03:30] $wgSharedDB is set to null, what should be assigned to it? [05:17:33] How to add lightbox script for images in wiki? [05:22:35] can someone tell me how &uselang= works? [05:24:53] for example how can I duplicate this from commons: Special:Upload&uselang=fromflickr [05:28:33] t0lk: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Uploadtext/fromflickr [05:30:19] Is there some step by step tutorial about editing the css of the different skins somewhere? I want a different color scheme on my wiki. [06:01:27] 03(NEW) check NTP setup - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11394 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (jeluf) [06:08:53] 03(mod) Different diff-colors no to discriminate red-green color blinds - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11374 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [06:14:51] 03(mod) Create Bengali Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10907 +comment (10ragibhasan) [06:16:28] Any chance of having a "Save article" button when editing a wiki page? I keep a wiki page open and take notes during the day... and the other day firefox crashed, and I lost a lot of info I inputted. Now I'm constantly saving what I'm working on, but I need to save it, and then edit... an ajax auto save would be nice, but that's asking a lot. :) [06:23:31] 03david * r25931 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (6 files in 4 dirs): More watchlist noodling -- schema change whose purpose will become apparent in tomorrow's episode. Source maintenance/lqt-schema-change-1.sql. [06:44:23] 03david * r25932 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (35 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) [06:44:23] Merged revisions 25861-25931 via svnmerge from [06:44:23] svn+ssh://david@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3 [06:44:23] ........ [06:44:23] r25863 | brion | 2007-09-14 13:53:19 -0700 (Fri, 14 Sep 2007) | 4 lines [06:44:23] * (bug 11342) Fix several 'returnto' links in permissions/error pages which [06:44:27] linked to the main page instead of targetted page [06:54:53] <_wooz> lo [07:01:53] 03(mod) Install the StringFunctions extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455 +comment (10pirate.internet) [07:54:37] 04(REOPENED) References are not shown to Anons when they don' t have edit permissions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11224 +comment (10faruq) [08:12:47] good morning. I have a mediawiki running on 1.7 (via apt -> very old). I want to change server and upgrade to a newer version. I guess i have 2 options: Using ubuntu's apt release (1.4.14) or building mediawiki myself from current code. Mailinglist told me that best method is upgrading to 1.11 and then doing next step. anyone can give me additional informations or hints for that case ? [08:12:54] :) [08:13:55] Anyone that can point me into some reading materiall about securing wiki in a enterprise enviroment? [08:14:07] Like keeping unwanted users off it [08:14:12] is there any way to hide the section [edit] buttons on a specific page? [08:14:55] nvm just found __NOEDITSECTION__ [08:15:29] We are using active-directory and it would be nice if we could base the authentication on this [08:15:58] i am a bit confused as according to mediawiki page 1.11 is latest release. but ubuntu offers 1.4.14 ..... [08:30:58] so best method is: installing 1.07 on the new server, importing the old databases and then upgrading to 1.11 right ? [08:38:55] odb|fidel_: If you didn't change the code, I'd just go and upgrade in one step [08:40:51] tinus__: [08:41:20] well...as i have to change to another server too...the idea was a 2 step procecure [08:41:42] setting up old 1.7 on new server, trasfering db's and then doing the upgrade to 1.11 on the new [08:41:51] how would you do that in 1 single step ? [08:42:03] only changes i have done is to the config file itself... [08:42:12] on that old 1.7. installation [08:48:01] well, not really a lot is going to change when you set up the old 1.7 on the new server, so you could probably skip that step [08:51:19] tinus__: and how should i realize the mysql-data transfer from old server (1.7) to new server (1.11) then ? [08:51:38] i expected several changes in the tables...so just importing shouldnt work, or am i wrong ? [08:52:59] how do i put a search bar in the main page? [09:00:24] is there a way to externally link to a local file? What I mean is, lets say my wiki is on example.com/wiki, but I have full-resolution photos in example.com/fullrez, is there wikitext that will let me say like click [/fullrez/image.png] for a full resolution version of the image? [09:15:11] hi everybody ! [09:15:49] i use mediawiki and i have a very small problem [09:16:05] how can i make the search not case-sensitive ? [09:17:54] fulltext search is not case sensitive. title search is. [09:18:46] Duesentrieb: is there a way to externally link to a local file? What I mean is, lets say my wiki is on example.com/wiki, but I have full-resolution photos in example.com/fullrez, is there wikitext that will let me say like click [/fullrez/image.png] for a full resolution version of the image? [09:19:41] omnivibe: Special:Filepath/Foo.jpg [09:19:46] might be an extension, not sure [09:19:46] ugga [09:19:50] Thanks :) [09:19:59] Duesentrieb: oki thanks [09:20:38] nantes_geek: actually, it seems like title search isn't case sensitive either - at least on my wiki. Titles themselves (i.e. links) *are* casesensitive [09:21:41] hi there, I'm trying to create a table in my wiki, reusing the examples in http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table but I have unepected results; the wikitable style should apparently draw 1 pixel wide borders around cells, and it doesn't. any ideas? [09:22:12] Duesentrieb: what's your version ? [09:22:29] mux: the prettytable class isn't defined per default. copy it from MediaWiki:Common.css [09:22:48] Duesentrieb: aaah, that makes a lot of sense. will try that then, thank you [09:22:55] nantes_geek: 1.11alpha... I should probably upgrade to 1.11 proper [09:24:55] mmh my version is older [09:25:03] perhaps i need an upgrade [09:25:42] if you don't have 1.11, you should, yes [09:25:53] ok [09:26:03] Duesentrieb: what css file should I put this into? isn't there a common css file for all skins? [09:28:13] mux: you put it into the *page* MediaWiki:Common.css [09:29:00] aaah, a special page, ok. thanks [09:29:02] hey people - how do i delete orphaned pages (or at least remove them from search results)? [09:29:30] mux: not a Special page, but a specail page, yes. technically, a system message. [09:29:48] fishsponge_: go to the page an delete it? [09:30:13] i don't see a "Delete" option [09:30:18] but why delete orphaned pages? wouldn't it make more sense to un-orphan (i.e. link) them? [09:30:38] fishsponge_: if you are logged in as a sysop, you have a [delete] tab on every page. [09:30:55] no, becuase when people search for content on the wiki, it bring up the orphaned pages (which are no longer linked to for a reason) [09:31:05] so they are getting invalid, out-of-date information [09:31:29] yea, well... then delete them :) [09:34:42] tinus__: any idea regarding that upgrade question ? [09:35:00] as i really dont see the solution for your 1 step idea [09:35:23] Duesentrieb: thank you - the delete tab works perfectly :-) [09:35:39] does anyone know how to restrict our Wiki so that only registered, logged in users can edit pages? [09:35:54] fishsponge_: check your wiki local settings [09:36:08] fishsponge_: read the faq [09:36:16] look for "restricting access" [09:37:00] where is the faq? [09:37:09] Duesentrieb: i need with my old 1.7. wiki (debian) to a new server (ubuntu). During that stepo i want to upgrade to a newer release. Is the best way to install 1.7 on the new serve,r migrate the old content into db and upgrade to newer Mediawiki version then ? [09:37:22] fishsponge_: lol check the mediawiki-page [09:39:01] ok, i've found "Extension:Lockdown", "Extension:PageSecurity" and 5 other results - do you know which one it is, or do i ened to read them all? [09:39:26] odb|fidel_: first migrate (and make sure it works), then upgrade. [09:39:32] odb|fidel_: don't do two things at once. [09:39:43] also, can this be done without patching the software? [09:39:45] yeah i think so too [09:39:52] fishsponge_: read [09:40:03] its just a small switch to enable that feature [09:40:10] ok, "Extension:Page access restriction" requires a patch [09:40:14] onto the next one... [09:41:04] fishsponge_: if you want to impose the restriction on *all* pages, you don't need an extension. [09:41:23] yep....and i guess thats what he is asking for [09:41:33] fishsponge_: Extension:Lockdown is per-namespace, and my favorite, because i wrote it :) [09:42:16] !access [09:42:16] For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [09:42:28] oh we have a bot? [09:42:30] it appears to "restrict access to specific namespaces and special pages to a given set of user groups" [09:42:30] wow, the bot is still here :) [09:42:41] Nikerabbit: no one uses it, so no one knows :) [09:42:43] but i want to have *everything* uneditable unless you are logged in [09:42:59] fishsponge_: then use the non-extension methods [09:43:04] fishsponge_: read the link above... [09:43:33] "Restrict editing of all pages" sounds good, no? [09:46:56] Duesentrieb: thx for the hint regarding my upgrade. [09:47:53] odb|fidel_: read the upgrade guide, and the backup guide. beware the charset issues of mysqldump, and perhaps make an additional xml dump for good measure. [09:48:06] hm, let's try the bot [09:48:07] !upgrade [09:48:21] !backup [09:48:32] uh... ? [09:48:50] !help [09:48:50] Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. There's not much documentation on me, but you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn [09:48:54] Duesentrieb: :P ok thank you again [09:49:32] !upgrade is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [09:49:32] Successfully added keyword: upgrade [09:49:56] !backup is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [09:49:56] Successfully added keyword: backup [09:50:25] great [09:51:14] gonna start tomorrow with the task. [09:51:28] !extensions [09:51:28] MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions, this is usually a simple process, to find a list of them visit http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions [09:52:49] !extensions is MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions for details and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix for an overview of known extensions. [09:52:49] Successfully added keyword: extensions [09:53:43] !download [09:53:43] The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from . Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Subversion repository. See for more information. [09:53:55] bah, mwbot soesn't support query. [10:20:01] Duesentrieb: Filepath isn't working for me :\ [10:20:08] maybe I was asking for something simpler? [10:28:11] omnivibe, how is it, isn't working? [10:30:42] omnivibe: if you go to Special:Filepath, what do you see? [10:34:47] Ah, nm... fixed... [{{SERVER}}/localpath/file.jpg] :) [10:35:11] not that filepath wasn't working, but it wasn't the right choice for me :) [10:35:20] \o [10:43:25] 03(mod) You got follow up! - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 (10walter) [10:59:51] can anyone tell me how to get at the article source when you have the $editpage object? alternatively, is there a more direct way to find out if an article is in a category than going through it with preg? [11:35:31] Hi, I'm trying to get WP:AWB/T over to my personal Wiki; copy-pasthing the source from Wikipedia does not work; everything simply *disappears* when clicking preview. [11:35:57] And there are no errors or warnings in PHP output [11:40:23] maybe you need some templates? [11:40:57] [11:41:07] you need GeSHi highlighter extension [11:41:12] I tried replacing those with

[11:41:45] But whatever the case, MediaWiki should *never* eat your text without warning when clicking preview. [11:42:00] strange [11:42:00] The edit area is simply blank. [11:42:32] And I did check with WireShark that the submitted content is actually reaching the server. [11:46:13] Seems like it has something to do with the amount of content. When I throw out a part of it, it works. The Wikipedia page is 180 kilobytes long [11:48:19] $wgMaxArticleSize = 2048; # Maximum article size in kilobytes [11:48:52] 03(NEW) request for special:suffixindex - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11395 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: Special pages; (gregbard) [11:50:53] Does anyone else have a MediaWiki 1.10.0 installation up that I could test on? [11:52:32] odb|fidel_: not sure if you're still there, but you should copy the database by dumping on the original, then importing on the new server. If you present the new software with an old-style database, as far as I know it should automatically update the database. [11:53:23] anyway there is no difference wether you install the old version on the new server first, as that doesn't change the database [11:59:12] 03(mod) Introduce Special:Suffixindex - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10808 +comment (10robchur) [12:01:05] 14(DUP) request for special:suffixindex - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11395 +comment (10robchur) [12:09:42] In fact, the value of wpTextbox1 does not reach $_POST [12:10:19] intgr: do you use mod_security? [12:10:46] tinus__: mh ok [12:10:54] thx for the response [12:11:55] flyingparchment: No, lighttpd. [12:12:58] But that shouldn't matter as far as I can tell, since multipart/form-data is parsed by the CGI process and not the web server. [12:13:19] mod_security does its own form parsing and often breaks mediawiki [12:13:34] Yeah, I was commenting about lighttpd. [12:14:14] And the multipart parsing doesn't break somewhere in the middle either, because the values that come after wpTextbox1 *are* present. [12:15:51] However, when submitting a shorter string, it does show up in $_POST. [12:30:36] 03(NEW) Logo change request for Greek Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11396 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (txapollo243) [13:00:21] 03(NEW) Switch ru_sibwiki to read-only due to it's closure - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11397 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (kalan.001) [13:04:52] i installed & configured memcached, told mediawiki to use it. still, the site is _slow_ [13:05:06] is there any checklist on how to track this down? [13:10:39] RichiH: http://dammit.lt/2007/01/26/mediawiki-performance-tuning/ [13:10:52] use postgres!!!!!!!!!!! [13:11:14] troll! [13:12:07] domas, nice [13:12:35] RichiH: check if its really being used [13:13:23] anyone who uses memcached for single server needs to be shot [13:13:28] why? [13:13:31] it helps a lot [13:13:47] because one can use APC instead? [13:13:54] which is like 10x faster ;-) [13:15:33] but is it stable? [13:16:38] morrrrrrrning [13:20:06] 03(mod) Notice: unserialize() Error when using Postgres - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11292 (10greg) [13:25:28] does the Image.php class no longer exist in the mediawiki? [13:29:10] domas: ta, i will go through it [13:29:17] tinus__: how can i do that? [13:29:36] tinus__: well, yes [13:29:50] tinus__: check if it is being used, that is [13:30:33] domas: Hi! [13:30:44] hiii!!!! [13:30:52] hi all [13:30:52] Geo24: do you find it in there? if not, probably it does not :) [13:31:02] I couldn't go any furthur here: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11224 [13:31:17] But I think someone more adapted with the code can find the solution easily. Please advise [13:31:20] domas: So what has replaced it? Where did the code go to? [13:31:32] filerepo [13:32:25] domas [13:32:27] : I see! [13:32:31] Thanks! [13:33:37] 03(mod) References are not shown to Anons when they don' t have edit permissions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11224 (10huji.huji) [13:33:59] *Hojjat taps wikibugs on the sholder [13:35:47] brion-office: allo ;) [13:35:53] 'ey [13:35:57] wot up [13:35:58] VoiceOfAll hello! [13:36:04] Brion-office hello! [13:36:10] don't forget my checkuser bug [13:36:23] checkuser bug? [13:38:03] brion-office: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 [13:38:22] brion-office: oh, and when would a rev_deleted branch merge be OKz0rs? [13:38:48] well, not technically a "branch", I don't use that, just my repo [13:44:04] i'll take a peek [13:44:06] umm dunno [13:44:19] hopefully we'll get them branches sorted out within the next couple months :) [13:46:00] <^demon> Am I the only one who thinks that bug 42 being "can't search for numbers" is midly ironic? [13:51:06] so is there a way to like... create a news-like page? [13:51:58] <^demon> ralfWORK: What do you mean by that? [13:52:04] oh. heh. [13:52:11] 03(mod) Switch ru_sibwiki to read-only due to it's closure - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11397 (10kalan.001) [13:52:14] well I didn't know that the Discussion pages used ~~~~ [13:52:19] *smacks forehead* [13:52:56] ^demon: eh. something I con put on Main_Page that's like "hey, we've updated this" or "hey, we have a new page here" [13:53:09] <^demon> Like, a template? [13:53:20] <^demon> Like how Wikipedia does "In the news" and "Today's feature article" [13:53:28] I've seen the automatic Special pages for them, but I was hoping for more of a manual thing [13:53:35] yea maybe that? [13:53:51] RichiH: you can just connect to the memcached using telnet and ask for statistics [13:54:03] or strace it to see if there's activity [13:54:29] and as far as I know there's also some command line argument to enable extensive logging [13:55:06] ^demon: maybe like something that takes the date and time of the last edit, puts that on the page with whatever commentary you want [13:55:11] kinda like discussion I guess? [13:55:28] 03(mod) Switch ru_sibwiki to read-only due to it's closure - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11397 (10svolgota) [13:55:56] <^demon> Hmm, not sure. [13:56:10] 03(NEW) skins/common/protect.js: wgCascadeableLevels runtime JavaScript error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11398 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mediawiki) [13:56:13] <^demon> Anyone: How many results does Special:Prefixindex return per page? 500? [13:56:32] 03(mod) skins/common/protect.js: wgCascadeableLevels runtime JavaScript error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11398 (10mediawiki) [13:56:53] 03(mod) Different diff-colors no to discriminate red-green color blinds - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11374 (10rene.kijewski) [13:58:33] ^demon: var $maxPerPage=960; [14:00:36] 03(mod) skins/common/protect.js: wgCascadeableLevels runtime JavaScript error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11398 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [14:01:20] <^demon> Hojjat: Thanks. [14:02:02] tinus__: do you happen to know by heart how i can query its statistics? [14:02:06] ^demon You're welcome! I just took a glance to the code; nothing important! [14:02:36] *VoiceOfAll sighs [14:03:07] LocalSettings has the correct info fwiw [14:03:31] still, loading a page takes several seconds. without showing any large load in top [14:04:45] *Hojjat taps VoiceOfAll on the shoulder [14:04:52] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/protect.js?r1=20478&r2=24419&sortby=date [14:05:29] indexOf is for strings, not arrays [14:05:47] VoiceOfAll: i wonder if that person realizes that not all browsers support Element.addEventListener() [14:05:51] ralfWORK: check out the News extension [14:06:07] most notably, IE [14:06:55] VoiceOfAll: I wonder...have you seen http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_talk:Extension#Recent_additions_to_Template:Extension and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges ? [14:07:44] jimbowj, looking at the diff, I have the same concern [14:08:19] RichiH: connect, then type 'stats' and press enter [14:08:46] alxndr: kk [14:11:46] Jack_Phoenix: hmm [14:11:58] well, the cats don't bother me much, as they aren't so obtrusive [14:12:26] the Recent changes are flooded and the obvious crap gets hidden unless you browse through the RCs carefully...it's kinda annoying [14:14:06] tinus__: it is running [14:14:07] alxndr: interesting, is there a demo of this somewhere? [14:14:15] tinus__: and being used [14:14:29] 03(FIXED) skins/common/protect.js: wgCascadeableLevels runtime JavaScript error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11398 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [14:14:42] ralfWORK: it's on the main page of oberwiki.net [14:15:12] ok [14:15:34] brion-office: I can't believe that got past [14:16:37] alxndr: interesting. I'm assuming the stuff in "recently edited" is this extension? [14:16:44] yep [14:17:19] alxndr: how about the "what's happening"? is that just manual? [14:17:23] *brion-office blames microsoft [14:17:29] yeah [14:17:53] alxndr: how did you skin the site? [14:18:05] (sorry, for the questions, kinda new to wiki :P [14:18:08] a user volunteered to do it [14:19:10] hrm, are there any known issues when running MW on apache2-mpm-prefork with ssl and memcached? [14:19:12] Is it possible to remove deleted entries forever? [14:19:24] i tried without https, and it is faster by several factors [14:19:39] RichiH: No, prefork should be the most foolproof MPM. [14:20:08] https tends to be slow in part because browsers don't like to cache https stuff [14:20:36] connection setup's more expensive too [14:20:46] On 32-bit processors. ;) [14:21:22] intgr: delete "forever" - not in vanilla MediaWiki - there are extensions though which can prevent articles with certain titles from being created [14:21:50] jimbojw: Ok, thanks. [14:22:14] intgr: you can delete articles, but that doesn't also protect them [14:22:17] 03siebrand * r25936 10/trunk/phase3/ (12 files in 2 dirs): [14:22:17] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [14:22:17] * ar, bg, bi (new), br, csb, el, ext, frc, frp, gl, hak. [14:22:51] jimbojw: Well I meant hiding deletions from 'recent changes' and other user-visible places. [14:22:59] if it's a localized problem (like you just want to permanently delete a few articles), then you could just set the article text to something like "this has been permanently deleted" then protect the page [14:23:02] oh [14:23:03] Not protection. [14:24:02] brion-office: but several seconds as compared to less than 200? [14:24:05] yeah - that would require removing entries from a couple database tables - that facility is not built in to MW by default. in principle it shouldn't be too hard to achieve by an extension, but I'd be afraid of the consequences of taking revisions out of the revision table [14:24:24] Right. [14:24:48] yea that's kinda the point of revisions :P [14:25:00] RichiH: might be if it's doing a lot of reqs. :) you probably want to benchmark and see *where* that delay is actually coming in [14:25:45] ralfWORK: Revisions are hidden to normal users when articles are deleted. [14:25:57] But admins can still restore them. [14:26:02] And see them [14:26:04] interesting [14:26:11] brion-office: it is a decidated virtual machine with one user [14:26:17] one wiki user, that is [14:26:23] which is myself, testing stuff [14:26:41] brion-office: does MW provide a framework for benchmarking? [14:27:14] or timestamped debug logs [14:27:15] or [14:27:38] yep. but you probably want to check at the http level [14:28:27] brion-office: so anyways, back to that code merge... ;) [14:31:00] brion-office: if you have time, could you take a look at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11290 [14:31:04] it gives me headake [14:31:15] as it should be impossible :( [14:31:35] i'll put it on teh queue [14:31:45] sounds like a race condition probably exacerbated by slave lag [14:32:19] brion-office: but how woud it be possible for the text from the message to be merged into the textbox data? [14:32:38] i have also seen it sometimes [14:32:48] it makes no sense [14:33:28] <^demon> AzaTht: I've never seen that issue. [14:33:32] also, you still made a comment on http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11367 [14:33:34] i know [14:33:37]