[00:02:05] <owh>	Greetings. I've just created an FAQ page for a site that is running mediawiki. I searched for FAQ, found nothing, created a page, saved it and now I get a page that shows "The original MediaWiki FAQ can be found at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ. A newer version is available at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ." -- I can see my page in the edit history of my account. How do I replace the FAQ page?
[00:04:32] <owh>	Perhaps links will help too: http://elinux.org/FAQ and http://elinux.org/index.php?title=FAQ&oldid=4370
[00:08:22] <Pathoschild>	It may be a problem with the URL format. I'd recommend that you have some way to distinguish the URLs of wiki pages from those of internal links; it's possible MediaWiki sees "/FAQ" as a link to a file rather than a wiki page.
[00:09:01] <Pathoschild>	That's why most wikis with short URLs, like en-Wikipedia, use the "/wiki/" in their URL.
[00:09:48] <owh>	I'm not sure I understand. I didn't type any of the URL's. I searched for FAQ, got a message that says 'this page does not exist', created a page, then searched for it again, and it magically directed to the bare page.
[00:11:15] <owh>	Are you saying that there is a file on the filesystem called FAQ which takes precedence over a database entry with the same name?
[00:11:58] <alxndr>	owh: exactly, see http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_11/phase3/FAQ?view=markup
[00:12:31] *owh 	writes CMS's for a living -- I can understand that :)
[00:12:59] <owh>	So, technically I've found "unexpected behaviour" or a "feature", not a "bug" :)
[00:13:47] <owh>	As I'm not the administrator, it seems that the quick and dirty solution is to create/rename my page?
[00:15:22] <alxndr>	yeah, but it's a good title, so it might be better to bug the admin to remove that pointless file
[00:15:49] <owh>	Yeah, I'll let them know. Thanks.
[00:24:34] <Simetrical>	owh, it's an expected "feature" that we can't do anything to prevent, which is why we recommend not rewriting to the root web directory.
[00:25:45] <owh>	Simetrical: Yeah, I face the same issue in my CMS - but my code now lets the database override the file system. It was just unexpected because I didn't think I'd done anything exciting.
[00:26:25] *owh 	is guessing that the .htaccess file rewrite rule checks for a file, then executes a default rendering page in php.
[00:26:42] <Simetrical>	owh, unfortunately a) this causes problems with things like robots.txt and the actual installation directory, and 2) we can't do that unless .htaccess is configured that way.
[00:27:25] <owh>	Simetrical: Yeah, it's really a design choice. I figured that if the user wanted to create a robots.txt file they should be allowed to.
[00:27:45] <owh>	Simetrical: Of course there is an opposite argument against that :)
[00:28:16] <owh>	Perhaps a warning that the file is going to 'override' a file on the file system would be useful.
[00:28:24] <owh>	s/file/page/
[00:28:27] <owh>	Doh
[00:28:46] <owh>	Perhaps a warning that the page is going to 'override' a file on the file system would be useful.
[00:29:07] <owh>	Or in this case, not override :)
[00:33:35] <owh>	I'm going to be load testing some code that does this exact thing. That is, the .htaccess forces my redirecter PHP code to run which in turn figures out what behaviour to exhibit. It deals with admin privileges, file-system files and database overrides. If there is interest I'm happy to share my experiences after the event. (Last time we did this, we ran 7.5 million hits in 4 days, so I'm ramping up for a big one again :)
[00:38:29] <carrera>	Pathoschild, thanks
[00:50:59] <Simetrical>	The problem is, allowing files to share a namespace with articles introduces complications.
[00:51:04] <Simetrical>	Should [[robots.txt]] show up red or blue?
[00:51:22] <Simetrical>	What if someone creates /robots.txt only after an article exists by that name?  Silently becomes inaccessible?
[00:51:33] <Simetrical>	The cleanest solution is to just rewrite to a nonexistent directory.
[00:52:17] <Pathoschild>	owh: Such an extension would be welcome on the manual page <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>; despite warnings that it's a bad idea, people insist on doing it anyway.
[00:54:42] <Simetrical>	As long as it's still made clear that it's not the recommended course of action.
[00:59:36] <cloakable>	Simetrical: I tell Apache not to do redirects for several destinations on my server.
[00:59:52] <cloakable>	It's easy to set up
[00:59:59] <Simetrical>	You mean rewrites?
[01:00:03] <Simetrical>	The wiki still thinks they exist.
[01:00:05] <cloakable>	Yeah.
[01:00:11] <Simetrical>	So it's not very healthy behavior.
[01:00:22] <cloakable>	True, but you won't get the page.
[01:00:31] <Simetrical>	Sure you would, if you went to a long version.
[01:00:52] <cloakable>	As in /mediawiki/Robots.txt ?
[01:01:00] <Simetrical>	/index.php?title=Robots.txt would bring you to an editable page that wouldn't for most purposes exist when you saved it.
[01:01:02] <cloakable>	True
[01:01:17] <cloakable>	But most wouldn't do that.
[01:01:25] <Simetrical>	Overall it's not a great idea, nevertheless.
[01:01:40] <Simetrical>	It will work in almost all cases, but then sometime it may well just break.
[01:01:44] <cloakable>	Actually, wouldn't your url mean the wiki was in the server root?
[01:02:02] <Simetrical>	Well, right, that would cause even more problems.
[01:02:07] <Simetrical>	So say /w/index.php, or whatever.
[01:02:15] <Simetrical>	Although people install it in / too sometimes.  :/
[01:02:36] <cloakable>	Most of the very short url stuff I've seen reccomends installing into a subdirectory :P
[01:03:10] <Simetrical>	Yes, if you're going to do it, that's definitely better.
[01:03:35] <cloakable>	Heh.
[01:04:39] <cloakable>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Very_short_URL#Method_for_Debian - this is my contribution :P It hasn't broken yet :P
[01:09:33] <ow1>	Sorry, was on the phone. Last I got was cloakable saying "As in /mediawiki/Robots.txt ?"
[01:10:05] <cloakable>	hehe
[01:10:34] <Simetrical>	You still have dial-up?  :/
[01:10:39] <cloakable>	You missed some discussion on very short urls
[01:10:59] <ow1>	Simetrical: No, a two way vSat satellite link. All fun, mobile, anywhere Internet :)
[01:11:07] <Administrator>	hey 
[01:11:09] <Administrator>	is anyone here
[01:11:15] <ow1>	No
[01:11:20] <Administrator>	how to make mediawiki got straight to login page 
[01:11:42] <ow1>	Pathoschild: What did you mean about 'such an extension...'
[01:11:43] <Simetrical>	ow1, but you still have to turn off your Internet to use the phone?
[01:12:12] <Administrator>	anyone know
[01:12:14] <Simetrical>	Administrator, you can disable viewing of the wiki for unregistered users.  See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[01:12:26] <ow1>	Simetrical: No, the freenode connection got a read error for some reason. My phone is independent of my Internet, but I do have VoIP as well :)
[01:12:59] <Pathoschild>	ow1: That kind of functionality is best implemented as an extension, considering that the behaviour it supports is strongly discouraged.
[01:13:43] <ow1>	Pathoschild: Ah, I know what you mean now. As I said earlier, it's really a design choice as far as I can tell.
[01:14:26] <ow1>	Simetrical: My movements over the past four years: http://itmaze.com.au/locations/
[01:17:01] *ow1 	goes back to debugging... Thanks all for your insights.
[01:21:49] <t0lk>	can someone please tell me how this works
[01:21:49] <t0lk>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=ownwork
[01:21:58] <t0lk>	the "&uselang=ownwork" part
[01:25:15] <Simetrical>	It's a kind of horrible hack.
[01:25:26] <Simetrical>	I haven't learned the details lest they corrupt my soul.
[01:26:50] <t0lk>	is it controled through the language files on the server or something?
[01:33:32] <t0lk>	do I need ssh/shell access to run commands like `./configure or `make install? 
[01:39:59] <alxndr>	t0lk: yes
[01:40:30] <t0lk>	ok thanks
[02:06:31] <hype>	Does anyone know the code to call an article's title when editing a wikipedia article?
[02:07:29] <Dr_DBW>	{{PAGENAME}}
[02:07:54] <hype>	thanks
[02:26:33] <hype>	Hello: I am placing a link back to the Wikipedia article for every title entry on my wiki.  This invariably leads me to place the following code on my pages:
[02:26:33] <hype>	* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/{{PAGENAME}} Wikipedia: {{PAGENAME}}]
[02:26:33] <hype>	This works fine unless the page name is two words - in this instance the second word in the page name becomes part of the link title (not url) - does anyone know how to correct for this?
[02:33:07] <Simetrical>	{{PAGENAMEE}}
[02:33:13] <Simetrical>	Better yet, {{FULLPAGENAMEE}}
[02:40:59] <hype>	THANks
[03:45:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) enable mp3 on iswikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11406 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (ice201)
[04:04:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) want to make thumbnail's default width larger - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11393  (10tamago915)
[04:57:54] <Nimrauko>	I have a quick question
[04:58:01] <VoiceOfAll>	Simetrical: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/arcana/1244
[04:58:15] <VoiceOfAll>	I like how the clothing just keeps getting more skimpy ;)
[04:58:28] <Simetrical>	Nimrauko, ask away.
[04:58:40] <Nimrauko>	I cant get <ref> to work on my wiki
[04:58:45] <Nimrauko>	or other templates
[04:58:47] <Nimrauko>	:(
[04:58:51] <VoiceOfAll>	do you have the cite extension?
[04:59:01] <Nimrauko>	Nope nope
[05:00:31] <VoiceOfAll>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[05:01:00] <Nimrauko>	thanks VoiceOfAll :)
[05:07:12] <Simetrical>	I wonder, does anyone market RAM that's the speed of L1 cache?
[05:07:43] <Simetrical>	I expect it would cost, like, a few thousand dollars at least for a gigabyte, but you'd think some lunatics would want it.
[05:08:00] <Simetrical>	Maybe even a few ten thousand, granted.
[05:08:04] <Simetrical>	Probably not enough market for it.
[05:08:24] <VoiceOfAll>	uncounterable is an interesting attribute
[05:08:30] *VoiceOfAll 	likes red Akroma
[05:08:53] <Simetrical>	Uncounterable is more flashy than useful  nowadays.
[05:09:19] <Simetrical>	You can't make a really good counter-control deck anymore, that locks everything up with just counters and bounce.
[05:09:45] <Simetrical>	More like throwing it in to your creature-based blue deck, really, to counter key spells.
[05:13:50] <Simetrical>	Bah, everyone says "cache is faster and more expensive than main memory", but nobody quantifies it.
[05:14:49] <VoiceOfAll>	Simetrical: I'm thinking random fatties, like the other Akroma and that angel that morphs and gains life
[05:14:52] <Simetrical>	I'm guessing at least two thousand times more expensive for L2 cache, which for a CPU with 1 MB L2 cache would means say $100 on that component alone.  Seems reasonable as a minimum.
[05:15:10] <Simetrical>	Then L1 cache you have even less, so say a further 100 times as expensive for that.
[05:15:14] <VoiceOfAll>	where you just throw in 2 in a deck as a possible win
[05:15:39] <VoiceOfAll>	but yes, blue draw-go is Teh nerfed
[05:15:39] <Simetrical>	A million times as expensive?  Seems unlikely, $50,000,000 for a gig of L1-cache-speed RAM, but if so, that'd sure explain why it's not marketed.
[05:17:33] *VoiceOfAll 	hugs Legacy
[05:20:35] <VoiceOfAll>	Simetrical: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mf164
[05:20:36] <VoiceOfAll>	weeee
[05:21:00] <VoiceOfAll>	that might actually be useful
[05:21:29] <VoiceOfAll>	unless all of the merfolk blow
[05:25:30] <Simetrical>	I wonder why more people don't use liquid nitrogen or helium for cooling their CPUs.
[05:25:36] <Simetrical>	Liquid helium cooling would get you to 20 GHz easily, I'm fairly sure.
[05:25:38] <Simetrical>	Possibly more like 200 GHz.
[05:25:42] <Simetrical>	Of course it's something of a hassle, but plenty of researchers use it all the time.
[05:26:00] <Simetrical>	A fairly decent staple.
[05:26:58] <Simetrical>	2/1 for two is pretty good in blue, and the drawing a card is a very nice bonus.
[05:29:54] *VoiceOfAll 	coughs on electric eal
[05:32:02] <meitar>	Hi all. I just installed MediaWiki 1.6.10 on a virtual host, which proceeded without error, and now I find that when I try to go to MediaWiki MainPage I get redirected back to the "real" host. Is something in MediaWiki reading $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] improperly or something?
[05:32:31] <Simetrical>	I think there's a variable $wgServer in LocalSettings.php.
[05:32:33] <Simetrical>	Something like that anyway.
[05:32:47] <Simetrical>	You can set that manually if the autodetection is wrong.
[05:33:20] <meitar>	Simetrical: Thanks, I'll look into that now.
[05:37:26] <meitar>	Simetrical: Perfect, thank you. That's exactly what I needed. I didn't realize that existed. Thanks again.
[05:42:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Switch ru_sibwiki to read-only due to it's closure - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11397  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:48:19] <Xerol>	any issues i need to know about when copying an install+db to another server?
[05:50:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo change request for Greek Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11396  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:53:34] <JeLuF>	xerol: No, nothing special
[06:52:12] <_wooz>	lo
[07:21:59] <CIA-6>	03abernala * r25950 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/SpecialUpload.php: Corrected parameter's name passed to internalProcessUpload function by reference.
[07:48:44] <CIA-6>	03david * r25951 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/ (LqtModel.php LqtPages.php): Watchlists almost work; there is one show-stopper bug which I was about to fix when zzzzzzzz
[08:03:15] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r25952 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): * (bug 11151) Add descriptive <title> to revision history page
[08:04:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Page history should have descriptive <title> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11151  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:36:24] *Werdna 	tickles Duesentrieb 
[08:41:37] <Raymond_>	Werdna: one question. in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php?annotate=24562#l965 line 965 you use call_user_func_array. why not wfMsg() directly?
[08:59:30] <CIA-6>	03proes * r25953 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/Database scripts/Convenience/ (5 files): Fixed "Recreate indexes for all tables.php" for recent table rename of expression_ns and collection_ns.
[09:12:02] <CIA-6>	03proes * r25954 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/Database scripts/Convenience/wikidataSourceTables.sql: 
[09:12:02] <CIA-6>	* Fixed wikidataSourceTables.sql: did not run anymore since recent addition of comment
[09:12:02] <CIA-6>	* Removed spurious ALTER TABLE commands that resulted in a lot of duplicate indexes
[09:20:50] <RayeS>	any here the knows how u can add html code inside a wiki page? allready tried google and mediawiki site but didnt found anything ;(
[09:22:01] <CIA-6>	03proes * r25955 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/Database scripts/Convenience/wikidataSourceTables.sql: Added lengths to KEYs
[09:24:33] <Major-nelson>	#d
[09:24:38] <Duesentrieb>	RayeS: "simple" html tags can be added directly. for more advanced things, either use a specialized extension (there are some for iframes, google-ads, embedding flash, etc), or use HTMLets for static snippets.
[09:25:13] <Duesentrieb>	RayeS: "simple" tags a stuff like div, span, p, ol, ul, li, u, s, tt, code, pre, small, center, sub, sup, etc
[09:25:59] <RayeS>	ahk.. yea the one i tried to use is some kind of form thingy with some things in it so i probably need an extension for it..
[09:26:15] <RayeS>	you can name me any good extension with that iframes and google ads stuff?
[09:26:16] <Duesentrieb>	there's an extension called "simpleforms"
[09:26:26] <mboman>	How can I insert HTML (embed flash video etc) into a Wiki page?
[09:26:36] <Duesentrieb>	RayeS just asked the same thing.
[09:26:40] <Duesentrieb>	i'll repost for you:
[09:26:44] <Duesentrieb>	<Duesentrieb> RayeS: "simple" html tags can be added directly. for more advanced things, either use a specialized extension (there are some for iframes, google-ads, embedding flash, etc), or use HTMLets for static snippets.
[09:26:44] <Duesentrieb>	<Duesentrieb> RayeS: "simple" tags a stuff like div, span, p, ol, ul, li, u, s, tt, code, pre, small, center, sub, sup, etc
[09:27:06] <RayeS>	actually its not a form its a html code by paypal which is a form but puts out as an image ;) for donations..
[09:27:09] <Major-nelson>	quit
[09:29:01] <Duesentrieb>	RayeS: the simples way is probably htmlets
[09:29:11] <RayeS>	ok ill try it directly ;)
[09:29:21] <Duesentrieb>	RayeS, mboman: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix is an overview of all extensions. you can also navigate the extension categories
[09:29:38] <Duesentrieb>	the categories have recently been re-organized... i can't find a thing any more :)
[09:29:49] <RayeS>	haha ;)
[09:30:25] <Duesentrieb>	hm, it's on overview of all extensions that are described on mediawiki.org using the standard template for extsions, i should have said. 
[09:30:25] <RayeS>	hehe ur the author of htmlet ;) cheers
[09:30:34] <Duesentrieb>	well yea :)
[09:31:39] <RayeS>	hmm though the readme is a dead link ;(
[09:33:00] <Duesentrieb>	is it?
[09:33:07] <RayeS>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Sort/Sort
[09:33:12] <RayeS>	should be there at least thats the link ;)
[09:33:14] <Duesentrieb>	well, the readme is pretty much identical with what's on the page itself anyway
[09:33:31] <Duesentrieb>	uh? that link is... wrong?
[09:33:48] <Platonides>	remove one /Sort
[09:34:06] <RayeS>	ah ;)
[09:34:39] <Duesentrieb>	RayeS: err. there's no readme link for HTMLets?... what page are you lloing at?
[09:34:58] <RayeS>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Sort/README
[09:35:29] <Duesentrieb>	RayeS: yes, but where did you get the link? how's that related to htmlets?
[09:35:38] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Sort is something else :)
[09:35:56] <Duesentrieb>	(but the readme link there works)
[09:36:36] <RayeS>	yea I kinda noticed that ;)
[09:47:46] <CIA-6>	03proes * r25956 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/Database scripts/Convenience/ (2 files): 
[09:47:46] <CIA-6>	Renamed "Recreate indexes for all tables.php" to "Recreate indexes for tables
[09:47:46] <CIA-6>	for website.php". This, to make a difference between indexes that are useful for
[09:47:46] <CIA-6>	the performance of an on line website and indexes that are useful during an
[09:47:46] <CIA-6>	import script.
[09:50:14] <Tuxbublin1>	hello
[09:55:15] <Werdna>	Raymond_: because I was too lazy, and it meant I could just call call_user_func_array, without shifting off the message name
[09:59:50] <Raymond_>	Werdna: ok. $text .= wfMsgExt( $error, array ('parse') ); should work too? this would allow to use {{GRAMMER}} etc. Nikerabbit asked for it
[09:59:57] <Tuxbublin1>	is there a known way (or extension) to have have a link in a page to directly return to the previous page?
[10:02:59] <Werdna>	Raymond_: what difference does it make?
[10:03:47] <Raymond_>	Werdna: wfMsgExt allows magic words, wfMsg not, or am I on the wrong way?
[10:08:16] *Werdna 	shrugs
[10:08:19] <Werdna>	dunno.
[10:08:29] <Werdna>	you don't have to do any shifting off, if you don't want
[10:08:43] <Werdna>	just make it call_user_func_array( 'WfMsgExt', $array );
[10:13:22] <Werdna>	Raymond_: rtc :)
[10:13:59] *Raymond_ 	tries ;-)
[10:14:00] <Raymond_>	thanks
[11:23:58] <CIA-6>	03kim * r25957 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/copy.php: 
[11:23:58] <CIA-6>	Copy.php
[11:23:58] <CIA-6>	* Correct user assignment. Some minor issues remain (cross off this item from requirements to check)
[11:23:58] <CIA-6>	! PENULTIMATE REVISION of copy.php in this form (pending possible last debugging)
[11:23:59] <CIA-6>	> Now reimplementing as library+special page.
[11:37:21] <deltaray2>	Is there some escape tag so that you can use anchor and image elements?
[11:38:34] <Duesentrieb>	deltaray2: that would be dangerous.
[11:39:04] <Duesentrieb>	deltaray2: there are extensions, and there's also a switch to allow all html. but it's generally a bad idea.
[11:39:09] <Duesentrieb>	what are you trying to do?
[11:43:29] <deltaray2>	Duesentrieb, Thanks.  Actually, I didn't think before that I could just add the clustrmaps thing that I wanted to try to the skin template.  That works better actually.
[11:43:32] <deltaray2>	THanks for your help.
[11:44:02] <Duesentrieb>	for static html snippets, look at HTMLets
[11:46:22] <vincent43>	hello everybody
[11:46:40] <vincent43>	just checking one thing about your great application
[11:46:54] <raddy>	Hello Everybody
[11:47:07] <Snowolf>	hi raddy
[11:47:11] <raddy>	How do i browse list of users in my wiki?
[11:47:23] <raddy>	I am the admin.
[11:47:31] <Duesentrieb>	Special:Listusers
[11:49:43] <raddy>	Duesentrieb: Thanks alot
[11:50:40] <raddy>	How do i reset my user's password as an admin?
[11:51:53] <Duesentrieb>	you can't.
[11:52:08] <raddy>	Duesentrieb: :(
[11:52:18] <Duesentrieb>	users can reset their own pw and have a new one mailed to them.
[11:52:22] <Duesentrieb>	what are you trying to do?
[11:52:35] <Duesentrieb>	well, *anything* is possible by directl hacking the db.
[11:52:37] <raddy>	Duesentrieb: ok, thats enough
[11:52:54] <raddy>	yeah, that i know
[11:52:55] <Duesentrieb>	raddy: that'S *if* they have registered (and possibly confirmed) a valid mail address..
[12:07:07] <vincent43>	Is it possible to use the wiki parser from media wiki
[12:07:14] <vincent43>	in other applications
[12:07:29] <vincent43>	I have a task manager that use wiki syntaxt
[12:07:39] <vincent43>	for this I use PEAR::text_wiki
[12:07:57] <vincent43>	I want to use mediawiki to give my company an internal wiki
[12:08:21] <vincent43>	but I want to continue using it for my task manager
[12:08:59] <vincent43>	is it possible simply
[12:09:54] <Duesentrieb>	no. the parser is a complete mess, and entangeled hopelessly with the rest of mediawiki. it's not even possible to parse without accessign the database (for templates, special namespace names, etc)
[12:10:13] <vincent43>	I thought so
[12:10:26] <Duesentrieb>	there are several attempts to rewrite or emulate the parser, in different languages. most can probably be used standalong, but non is 100% accurate.
[12:10:56] <Duesentrieb>	making a parser that is like mediawiki for the simple things is easy. to get 100% compatibilityis virtually impossible.
[12:11:12] <vincent43>	I try this with text_wiki
[12:11:18] <vincent43>	it becomes hard
[12:11:26] <vincent43>	when it comes to wiki links
[12:11:34] <vincent43>	or plugins
[12:11:56] <Duesentrieb>	wiki links should be simple. plugins will be impossible.
[12:12:14] <Duesentrieb>	plugins are after all program routines that rely on mediawiki's infrastructure and database
[12:12:23] <Duesentrieb>	plugins -> extensions
[12:12:28] <vincent43>	wiki links looks like lots of database querys
[12:12:35] <vincent43>	for plugins I understand
[12:12:49] <Duesentrieb>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Alternative_parsers
[12:13:29] <Duesentrieb>	you don't need db queries for wiki links, if you don't need link-coloring.
[12:13:52] <vincent43>	to know if page exists or if it has to be created
[12:14:08] <Duesentrieb>	yes. that's what link-coloring does.
[12:14:20] <Duesentrieb>	links to non-eisting pages ->  red
[12:14:23] <vincent43>	.... you're right I can show the create interface if I don't find the page title in database
[12:14:34] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[12:14:51] <Duesentrieb>	but you are now starting to write your own wiki...
[12:15:06] <vincent43>	I don't like redoing the wheel
[12:15:12] <Duesentrieb>	then don't
[12:15:24] <vincent43>	but wiki has glue
[12:15:27] <vincent43>	like in trac
[12:15:30] <vincent43>	is really great
[12:15:51] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki doen't lend itself to integration elsewhere too well.
[12:15:52] <vincent43>	I want to use it as glue for my company ERP
[12:15:58] <vincent43>	which is big
[12:16:00] <Duesentrieb>	you can integrate lots of stuff into mediawiki, though
[12:16:14] <vincent43>	I understand
[12:16:37] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki is mainly build for full-site heavy duty wiki. basically, a server of its own. 
[12:16:51] <Duesentrieb>	it's not designed to be a library. which is sometimes sad, but it's the truth.
[12:17:29] <Duesentrieb>	vincent43: you will probably have more lick with a different wiki engine...
[12:17:31] <vincent43>	it's sad, because it's one of the best php wiki I found
[12:17:45] <vincent43>	it's what I think Duesentrieb
[12:17:51] <vincent43>	big thanks for your time
[12:18:05] <Duesentrieb>	why does it have to be php anyway? php is a sucky language :)
[12:18:33] <vincent43>	I'm good in php and C
[12:18:41] <vincent43>	doing a wiki in C
[12:18:43] <vincent43>	is ....
[12:18:52] <vincent43>	can't find the word :)
[12:19:14] <rrighetto>	hello
[12:19:59] <vincent43>	thanks again Duesentrieb
[12:21:03] <Duesentrieb>	np, have fun.
[12:21:22] *Duesentrieb 	would use java for "serious" web applications
[12:22:11] <rrighetto>	exit
[12:42:59] <avar>	Duesentrieb: You're fired:)
[12:43:46] <Jack_Phoenix>	lol
[12:44:22] <Duesentrieb>	avar: any particular reason, or are you just in a good mood?
[12:44:42] <avar>	:)
[13:16:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Site configuration for q:cs: and s:cs: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11407 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (danny_b)
[13:24:32] <Hojjat>	Hi all.
[13:24:44] <Hojjat>	Is there a way to make the "command line SVN" of windows, work with SSH?
[13:25:04] <Hojjat>	There is a solution for TortoiseSVN, and one for svn in linux, but is there a way for svn in windows?
[13:26:13] <PunkRock>	Hojjat: don't know. but can't you use cygwin?
[13:26:13] <Duesentrieb>	if you have command line svn on windows, it should work just like on linux.
[13:26:31] <Duesentrieb>	PunkRock: pointless. there's a nativ win32 build of svn
[13:26:34] <Hojjat>	PunkRock I prefer not to
[13:26:48] *PunkRock 	hides
[13:26:54] <Duesentrieb>	i think it includes the ssh libx
[13:27:06] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb but I guess I need to tell it somehow, where to find the SSH key
[13:27:18] <Hojjat>	In linux, it is normally in ~/.ssh
[13:27:26] <Hojjat>	but where to put it in Windows, I don't know
[13:27:28] <Duesentrieb>	Hojjat: haha! yea. ask google.
[13:27:41] <Duesentrieb>	i have never used it key-based under windows
[13:27:45] <Hojjat>	PunkRock, indeed, if I can't find a way, I will use my Virtual Machine Linux for it
[13:27:57] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb I searched in google a little, but no way
[13:28:01] <Hojjat>	:(
[13:28:15] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb may be I searched badly. Can you give it a try?
[13:28:53] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=svn%20ssh%20windows&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=
[13:29:19] <Duesentrieb>	maybe add "key" to the search
[13:31:22] <lch>	Hojjat, just install Linux
[13:31:23] <Hojjat>	:|
[13:31:31] <Hojjat>	lch, I have it!
[13:32:11] <Hojjat>	lch, indeed, Linux doesn't work well on my machine: It doesn't connect to internet, because it doesn't accept my modem. However, I intalled Linux on a virtual machine (with VMWare) and it shares the network connection :)
[13:32:33] <lch>	unless you own a Winmodem it should support it
[13:33:44] <lch>	oh, I just see, they even have winmodem support now
[13:33:52] <lch>	whaddaya know
[13:34:25] <Hojjat>	lch, it is a winmodem :(
[13:34:51] <Hojjat>	lch plus, in my current situation, I have Windows and Linux alongside, which is better!!
[13:39:14] <lch>	okay, well, http://subversion.tigris.org/ seems to be a command line SVN software for windows
[13:39:39] <Hojjat>	lch, yes, but the problem is I want SSH+SVN now
[13:39:47] <Hojjat>	In order to be able to commit to the subversion
[13:39:53] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: http://tortoisesvn.net/node/156 :(
[13:40:12] <lch>	Hojjat, read http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2006-12/0387.shtml
[13:40:29] <Hojjat>	lch, that is about tortoise, not about SVN
[13:40:35] <Hojjat>	AFAIK
[13:41:08] <lch>	point 1 makes it look otherwise to me
[13:41:08] <Hojjat>	lch, my bad
[13:41:18] <lch>	no idea why they mentioned tortoise
[13:41:45] <Hojjat>	lch, yep, same here
[13:59:15] <Hojjat>	lch, do you know which port is used by SVN?
[13:59:44] <lch>	3690 by default
[14:07:33] <Hojjat>	lch, shall I use svn.wikimedia.org for the server? or svn+ssh://svn.wikimedia.org?
[14:10:19] <Platonides>	if you have commit access, svn+ssh
[14:10:24] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: "Ah, tunnelling is about the only thing that can make you really hate svn" from: http://forums.codeblocks.org/index.php/topic,643.msg4393.html
[14:10:36] <Hojjat>	Platonides I mean in Putty.
[14:10:55] <Hojjat>	Platonides I need to use Putty or something to set up a tunnel first, to make SVN client work in Windows
[14:11:06] *Hojjat 	loves Linux, in such a situation!
[14:11:11] <Platonides>	i think the client will usually be able to handle the svn+ssh "protocol"
[14:11:15] <VasilievVV>	Hojjat: add your private key to Pageant
[14:11:30] <VasilievVV>	And TortoiseSVN will use it
[14:11:33] <Hojjat>	VasilievVV good idea
[14:11:50] <Hojjat>	VasilievVV I'm not using Tortoise, I'm using the command line SVN client
[14:12:04] <VasilievVV>	Hmm...
[14:12:38] *VasilievVV 	connected using PuTTY + TortoiseSVN to toolserver SVN
[14:12:42] <Hojjat>	VasilievVV: "Ah, tunnelling is about the only thing that can make you really hate svn" (refering to SVN client)
[14:13:09] <Platonides>	you can use a svn command line client of tortoisesvn
[14:13:45] <jimbojw>	Hojjat: i do tunnelling all the time, so if you have questions I may be able to help - but if there's a client out there that natively does ssh, you should use that (Tortoise)
[14:13:48] <Hojjat>	Platonides it is the lots of extra menus that Troitoise makes, that makes me avoid it. Otherwise, it is an excellent tool
[14:14:24] <jimbojw>	*amendment - i do ssh tunneling in other contexts - i haven't used it to do SVN before
[14:14:29] <Hojjat>	Jimbowj, unless we find an easy solutin, I will either shift to toritoise, or use my linux client
[14:14:35] <jimbojw>	ok
[14:14:38] <Platonides>	Hojjat, you can make them all in one submenu
[14:14:42] <Platonides>	it's configurable
[14:14:42] <Hojjat>	jimbowj: :)
[14:14:49] <Platonides>	which shal l appear and where
[14:15:14] <Hojjat>	Platonides....
[14:15:18] *Hojjat 	doesn't know what to say
[14:15:52] <jimbojw>	supercalifragalisticexpialidocious
[14:16:06] *jimbojw 	it's something to say when you don't know what to say
[14:16:42] <Duesentrieb>	jimbojw: gee, thanks, now i have a silly show tune stuck in my head for hte rest of the day :/
[14:17:03] <jimbojw>	hahaha
[14:17:19] <jimbojw>	Duesentrieb: although the very sound of it is something quite atrocious
[14:18:25] <dungodung>	indeed
[14:19:12] *Hojjat 	installs TortoiseSVN!
[14:20:53] <Duesentrieb>	bah, most of the stuff on mw:Project:Support_desk should be answered with "read the faq" and "you broke your system, go fix it"
[14:21:10] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Formatting problem: Included pages & Parser.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11345  +comment (10brion)
[14:22:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	Duesentrieb: so true ;-)
[14:26:33] <Hojjat>	I'm back!
[14:31:03] <Hojjat>	VasilievVV now, I have Tortoise there. Shall I use putty, or saving to Pageant is enougH?
[14:31:19] <ralfWORK>	crazy question; is there an extension or something I can put on the wiki that's like a "contact us" form?
[14:32:00] <VasilievVV>	Hojjat: afaik tortoise use PuTTY internally, so you'd just add it to pageant
[14:47:59] <ralfWORK>	hrm I'm thinking that's a no :)
[14:49:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't show "edit with form" tab if user don' t have permissions to edit the page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11403  (10yaron57)
[14:51:45] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[14:52:09] <Hojjat>	hello!
[14:55:19] <Nikerabbit>	oh Hojjat ^^
[14:55:23] <Nikerabbit>	congrats
[14:55:29] <Hojjat>	for what?
[14:56:14] <Snowolf>	Hojjat: congrats from me too :)
[14:56:28] <Snowolf>	(svn access)
[14:57:46] <Hojjat>	Snowolf, Nikerabbit: Thank you both. :)
[14:58:53] <Hojjat>	I need to learn to get it work first, though!!
[15:04:36] <Hojjat>	VasilievVV: I can't make it work
[15:04:41] <Hojjat>	do you have time to help me?
[15:04:50] <VasilievVV>	I think I have
[15:04:58] <VasilievVV>	What does it say?
[15:05:10] <Hojjat>	follow me on private
[15:06:47] <larsl`>	Does MediaWiki work with PHP in safe mode?
[15:07:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	no. safe mode sucks big time - don't use it. period.
[15:07:32] <larsl`>	Right. I'm stuck on a web host that uses it though.
[15:09:52] <Duesentrieb>	larsl`: mediawiki does "work" with safe mode. but it ain't pretty. a lot of advanced stuff will not work, and even the basocs may be a problem, szta
[15:09:59] <Duesentrieb>	...starting with file uploads.
[15:10:15] <larsl`>	Duesentrieb: What about just page editing?
[15:10:24] <Duesentrieb>	larsl`: tell your web host that php6 will not have safe mode, and that they should consider alternative security models *now*
[15:10:33] *Hojjat 	finally get's it work!!!
[15:10:38] <Duesentrieb>	larsl`: just editing will woork. or can be made to work.
[15:10:44] <larsl`>	They don't even use PHP 5 yet. 
[15:11:04] <Duesentrieb>	larsl`: switch, then. mediawiki needs php5, unless you want to use a very old version
[15:11:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	the very old versions aren't pretty, I tell you
[15:14:04] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb, Snowolf, Nikerabbit, it is really slow!
[15:15:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG error when rendering thumbnails, but two specific sizes unaffected - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10586  (10brion)
[15:18:33] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) enable mp3 on iswikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11406  +comment (10brion)
[15:24:44] <Nikerabbit>	Hojjat: whot?
[15:26:56] <rangerpb>	Good morning. Is there a smooth way to have a new page based on a predefined template?
[15:28:01] <rangerpb>	Right now, I'm creating the page, then using the {{substr:templatename}}, saving, and editing again to get it.
[15:28:52] <brion-work>	ok, who's experiencing slow checkout from svn?
[15:29:01] <brion-work>	can you do a ping, check for dropped packets etc?
[15:29:34] <Raymond_>	rangerpb: use the Inputbox extension with parameter preload
[15:30:30] <minute>	brion-work: No packet loss.
[15:30:36] <minute>	updating to test
[15:31:12] <brion-work>	seems speedy enough to me, i'm 125ish milliseconds away from the server
[15:32:08] <minute>	107ms for me.
[15:32:35] <minute>	Checkout fairly good speed considering it is subversion.
[15:32:40] <Hojjat>	1893ms
[15:32:42] <Hojjat>	:(
[15:33:02] <minute>	Hojjat: do I traceroute on linux or tracert on windows
[15:33:11] <brion-work>	yeoutch
[15:33:32] <minute>	Hojjat: Anything weird?
[15:33:39] <Hojjat>	still running
[15:33:42] <rangerpb>	Raymond_, would you happen to have a link that explains that extension?  I'm a bit of a noob for mediawiki but have experience with others.
[15:33:50] <brion-work>	where are you, Hojjat? that's one nasty connection :)
[15:34:07] <Raymond_>	rangerpb: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Inputbox
[15:34:13] <Hojjat>	I'm in Tehran...
[15:34:15] <Hojjat>	and, eh.
[15:34:44] <Hojjat>	yes something weired: even the first row of tracert is over 1000ms
[15:35:08] <Hojjat>	let me reconnect
[15:35:10] <minute>	Hojjat: ping 82.7.33.28
[15:35:58] <minute>	any luck?
[15:36:06] <brion-work>	iran isn't that far from europe, it shouldn't take that long to get packets from amsterdam :)
[15:36:21] <Hojjat>	I think I should test something.
[15:36:27] <Hojjat>	let me delete some of the files...
[15:36:54] <Hojjat>	okay
[15:37:01] <lch>	Hojjat, if it's slow, enable compression
[15:37:06] <lch>	ssh can do compression
[15:37:14] <Hojjat>	lch, I'll check thanks
[15:38:18] <Hojjat>	lch, where is the option?
[15:38:26] <Hojjat>	oh, and I think it was something with my connection...
[15:38:29] <Hojjat>	it's better now
[15:38:39] <brion-work>	-C on plain ssh
[15:38:43] <Hojjat>	460ms
[15:38:47] <brion-work>	maybe can put it in ~/.ssh/config to set a default
[15:38:56] <brion-work>	that's a little better ping... :)
[15:39:07] <Hojjat>	thanks
[15:39:53] <Hojjat>	brion-work, now let's see if the switch idea works too
[15:41:01] <Hojjat>	lch, not sure, but I think compression was already enabled.
[15:41:21] <Hojjat>	I have downloaded something in about 30 minutes, which has expanded to 10MB (other than the SVN related files)
[15:41:27] <Hojjat>	it is not normal of my dial up connection
[15:43:12] <Hojjat>	brion-office, it gave me an error message!
[15:44:04] <brion-work>	:P
[15:44:10] <brion-work>	i think the setting name is different for config file
[15:44:12] <brion-work>	check 'man ssh' etc
[15:44:56] <Hojjat>	brion-work, I'm on Windows.. and don't have "man" here!
[15:45:13] <Hojjat>	brion-work, I'm moving to Linux tho
[15:45:35] <Nikerabbit>	I don't have a man here either :o
[15:45:56] <Hojjat>	Nikerabbit, what about a woman?
[15:46:06] <Jack_Phoenix>	lol
[15:46:16] <Nikerabbit>	:D
[15:46:42] *Hojjat 	grins
[15:46:53] <Jack_Phoenix>	geek humor ;-)
[15:47:13] <Hojjat>	it was nothing! ;)
[15:53:04] <[Hyarion]>	good morning, I was wondering if it is possible to somehow thumbnail an image but also crop a section out of it, anyone done this before?
[15:55:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Override title text and formatting from page markup - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496  +comment (10rick.blasingim)
[16:02:13] <carrera>	Greetings!
[16:02:42] <carrera>	why do I suddenly get an empty page when I click on Editing Help?
[16:04:16] <[Hyarion]>	was there text there before?
[16:06:57] <carrera>	[Hyarion], Yes, i'm pretty sure
[16:07:56] <Duesentrieb>	carrera: completely empty, white page, with no html? that would indicate a fatal php error
[16:08:08] <Duesentrieb>	which may be caused by corrput program files, or a broken configuration
[16:08:28] <Duesentrieb>	look for errors in the apache log, and on-screen enable error reporting
[16:08:30] <carrera>	no, it's not completely empty
[16:09:29] <Duesentrieb>	carrera: ah. well, "editing help" (or any other help page, or any page besides the main page) will not be there unless you have created it.
[16:09:45] <Duesentrieb>	there are no default pages
[16:09:48] <carrera>	this is what I get:
[16:09:51] <carrera>	There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page.
[16:10:02] <Duesentrieb>	yes. it doesn't exist.
[16:10:11] <Duesentrieb>	did you create it?
[16:10:18] <carrera>	I get the same message when I click on Help on the left column
[16:10:35] <Duesentrieb>	yes. as i said: there are no default pages.
[16:10:46] <carrera>	no, i didn't create it before
[16:10:48] <Duesentrieb>	you are supposed to create them, or change the menu & messages refering to them
[16:10:54] <Duesentrieb>	well, then it wasn't there before.
[16:10:56] <carrera>	do users have to create Help pages?!?!
[16:11:06] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[16:11:11] <Duesentrieb>	it's even in the faq.
[16:11:21] <carrera>	why is that?
[16:11:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	read. the. FAQ.
[16:11:40] <Duesentrieb>	because there is no complete, reliable, multi-language set of help pages
[16:11:41] <carrera>	if someone needs help, obviously they don't know how to create Help pages
[16:11:52] <Duesentrieb>	because the software changes fast, and writing good help pages is hard work.
[16:12:01] <Duesentrieb>	you can copy what you like from mediawiki.org
[16:12:34] <Duesentrieb>	if you copy from the main namespace, you don't even need to attribute the source. otherwise, the gfdl applies.
[16:12:52] <Duesentrieb>	(this, again, is one of the reasons all the help stuff has to be written afresh, and can't be taken from wikipedia)
[16:13:10] <Duesentrieb>	you can use Special:Export to get a bunch of pages you can the Special:Import conveniently.
[16:13:51] <Duesentrieb>	carrera: anyway, the help pages are for people who edit the wiki. they are not expected to create the pages... you who runs the site is expected to do that.
[16:14:03] <carrera>	what's this page for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Copying
[16:14:13] <Duesentrieb>	sure, it would be nice to have a default set of help pages. it just doesn't exist (yet)
[16:14:48] <Duesentrieb>	it tells you how to copy the most important help pages top your wiki.
[16:14:53] <Duesentrieb>	ok, i gotta run
[16:14:55] <Duesentrieb>	have fun
[16:15:02] <carrera>	Duesentrieb, I agree with that
[16:15:17] <carrera>	I confused my role as SysAdmin and User!  :)
[16:15:34] <carrera>	thanks Duesentrieb!
[16:21:24] <carrera>	Jack_Phoenix, thanks. for. pointing. me. to. the. faq.
[16:21:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	FAQ: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ
[16:21:43] *Jack_Phoenix 	coughs
[16:21:44] <carrera>	yes
[16:21:47] <Jack_Phoenix>	that's in the topic
[16:22:03] <carrera>	reading and finding it very useful
[16:22:46] <carrera>	Jack_Phoenix, i wasn't asking for the URL, I was just thanking your for pointing me to read it
[16:22:53] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[16:23:15] <carrera>	gotta go for my workout now
[16:23:17] <carrera>	later...
[16:24:47] <Nikerabbit>	ugga bugga
[16:30:15] <BlueBrooke>	I've got some strange things going on -- 
[16:30:28] <BlueBrooke>	The text box on the "edit page" screenis only 5 lines
[16:30:43] <BlueBrooke>	if i change the skin in "my preferences" it's okay --
[16:31:10] <BlueBrooke>	but if i change the default skin in "local settings" the side bar doesn't show up 
[16:31:16] <BlueBrooke>	are these related?  they started at the same time
[16:31:45] <BlueBrooke>	everything works fine locally -- this is all after i've uploaded to the server
[16:34:39] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r25958 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[16:34:39] <CIA-6>	* Add message 'year-month' to enable swap of year and month in input form of
[16:34:40] <CIA-6>	 Special:Contributions for languages which prefer month-year instead of the default year-month
[16:41:33] <rangerpb>	Raymond_, do you happen to know if the main edit can preloaded with a template?
[16:41:39] <rangerpb>	or the page itself?
[16:43:07] <AphelionZ>	Does anybody know what would be causing this warning? "Warning: in_array() [function.in-array]: Wrong datatype for second argument in /home/wikibond/public_html/includes/Skin.php on line 81"
[16:43:17] <joachim-n>	hi. is there a hook to modify how the title of a page is displayed?
[16:43:20] <AphelionZ>	seems like a configuration error or something
[16:43:35] <AphelionZ>	it's on every page
[16:44:34] <Nikerabbit>	AphelionZ: which version?
[16:45:02] <AphelionZ>	1.10.0 i believe
[16:46:45] <Nikerabbit>	special:version tells
[16:47:42] <Nikerabbit>	if it's old, try updating
[16:48:15] <AphelionZ>	yeah it's 1.10.0
[16:48:27] <AphelionZ>	im gonna have a hell of a time updating because i edited a lot of the core code....
[16:48:53] <Nikerabbit>	tsk tsk
[16:49:14] <Nikerabbit>	why did you do that?
[16:49:55] <Nikerabbit>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/tags/REL1_11_0/phase3/includes/Skin.php?view=annotate
[16:50:14] <Nikerabbit>	definitely nothing we could help with
[16:51:04] <Nikerabbit>	joachim-n: if there is it should be listed on doc*/hooks.txt
[16:51:43] <Betacommand>	quick question, is there a way to have [[Special:Categories]] only display the redlinks in it?
[16:52:50] <alxndr>	Betacommand: [[Special:Wantedcategories]] ?
[16:53:44] <joachim-n>	how does /maintenance/findhooks.php work?
[16:54:28] <joachim-n>	ah. got it
[16:54:53] <AphelionZ>	Nikerabbit: it's for a client... they want a heavily customized install and there were certain things that I couldn't do with plugins and hooks
[16:55:13] <AphelionZ>	I'll just turn off error reporting for warnings
[16:55:39] <Nikerabbit>	AphelionZ: err, just fix the bug
[16:56:37] <AphelionZ>	Nikerabbit: yeah, yeah...
[16:56:49] <AphelionZ>	haha.. it has something to do with $wgSkipSkins..
[17:00:06] <AphelionZ>	which is weird because in my LocalSettings.php I define $wgSkipSkins as an array and then on that line it's telling me it's not an array :-/
[17:01:48] <joachim-n>	where does the $wgOut->mPageLinkTitle  in SkinTemplate.php come from?
[17:04:29] <BlueBrooke>	okay -- let me try it this way -- 
[17:04:42] <BlueBrooke>	how do i increase the size of the text box on the edit pages?
[17:05:14] <minute>	Using your preferences.
[17:06:23] <BlueBrooke>	ty -- how would that get set to such a small number?
[17:06:34] <BlueBrooke>	(it's at 4x4)
[17:06:37] <BlueBrooke>	and i didn't do it
[17:07:25] <minute>	hardcore h4x0rz?
[17:08:06] <ralfWORK>	silly question, but is there any like "contact us" form plugin thing for wiki? :P
[17:08:11] <minute>	yes
[17:08:15] <minute>	!extensions | ralfWORK 
[17:08:15] <mwbot>	ralfWORK : MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions, this is usually a simple process, to find a list of them visit http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions
[17:08:35] <minute>	look for Contact form or something
[17:08:36] <ralfWORK>	kk
[17:17:06] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: +               'year_month',
[17:17:49] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: ouch
[17:20:32] <Raymond_>	fixed
[17:20:54] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r25959 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: fix typo from r25958. Thanks to Nikerabbit
[17:22:19] *Nikerabbit 	is lazy
[17:22:40] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25960 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateForm.php: "Special" namespace no longer hardcoded
[17:23:23] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25961 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateTemplate.php: "Special" namespace no longer hardcoded
[17:23:53] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25962 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateProperty.php: "Special" namespace no longer hardcoded
[17:24:12] <AzaTht>	api guru around?
[17:24:39] <VasilievVV>	Is there anythingabout which functions should be moved to extension, and which should be in main trunk
[17:24:54] <VasilievVV>	AzaTht: just ask
[17:25:45] <AzaTht>	VasilievVV: I wonder if there could be an other solution to http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11401 than I offered
[17:26:20] <AzaTht>	VasilievVV: encountered it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Twinkle/Bugs#TW-B-0014
[17:27:24] <AzaTht>	(that's why I need a real guru :))
[17:27:25] <VasilievVV>	AzaTht: I think we shouldn't uglify output to be compatible with XPath
[17:28:09] <AzaTht>	VasilievVV: that I understand, but perhaps an option to encode it?
[17:28:27] <VasilievVV>	Maybe
[17:29:45] *VasilievVV 	asks yurik
[17:34:02] <CIA-6>	03vrandezo * r25963 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_Settings.php storage/SMW_SQLStore.php): Fix for a possible MySQL 4.x problem
[17:45:43] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25964 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: 
[17:45:43] <CIA-6>	'free text' turned into hidden input if not included in form, new
[17:45:43] <CIA-6>	'$sfgInputNum' global variable, used instead of '$sfgTabIndex' when setting
[17:45:43] <CIA-6>	HTML IDs, 'autocomplete on namespace' property added, 'autocomplete on' gets
[17:45:43] <CIA-6>	all the pages that belong to the child categories of the specified category,
[17:45:45] <CIA-6>	removed copyright warning at the bottom of forms, fixed bugs where certain
[17:45:47] <CIA-6>	field properties in forms were getting ignored
[17:46:15] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r25965 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.6.2
[17:47:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow multiple classes of footnotes on the same page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6271  (10refrences/>
[17:47:28] <wikibugs>	<div dir="ltr">
[17:47:28] <wikibugs>	<references group="english"/>
[17:47:28] <wikibugs>	</div>
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[17:47:53] <flyingparchment>	haha broken
[17:49:00] <gongoputch>	is there a tree view of the article hierarchy in a mediawiki?
[17:54:50] <CIA-6>	03brion * r25966 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[17:54:50] <CIA-6>	Revert r25958 and r25959 for now.
[17:54:50] <CIA-6>	Even if we wanted to make the order of fields in a form language-dependent
[17:54:50] <CIA-6>	(which I'm not very comfortable with), this seems an odd way to do it. It
[17:54:50] <CIA-6>	introduces an unnecessary HTML message which could be broken in interesting ways
[17:54:51] <CIA-6>	and generally strikes me as odd.
[18:19:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Feature request: image metadata searching - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11408 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (gh5046)
[18:22:31] <CIA-6>	03nikerabbit * r25967 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesScn.php: * Namespace translations for Sicilian (scn)
[18:23:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: image metadata searching - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11408  (10gh5046)
[18:25:04] <meitar>	Afternoon, everyone. I'm having some trouble with template parser functions, pretty basic, was hoping to get some pointers.
[18:25:27] <meitar>	In a template, I want to conditionally print out a definition list of the template's given parameters. Is the easiest way to do this with the #if parser function? And if so, why does it seem that only my variables are getting expanded?
[18:38:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: image metadata searching - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11408  (10rainman)
[18:53:13] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r25968 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 
[18:53:13] <CIA-6>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[18:53:13] <CIA-6>	* am (new), ga, hsb, is, scn, tet, yi.
[19:01:10] <rangerpb>	can anyone definatively tell me if the preload function requires inputbox.php file? Or are they exclusive?
[19:02:34] <brion-work>	rangerpb: inputbox provides handy UI for making use of it
[19:02:39] <brion-work>	but not required just to be there
[19:03:03] <rangerpb>	brion-work, basically i want to preload the standard edit box with a certain template
[19:04:00] <rangerpb>	i tried with a url syntax http://<wiki>newpage?action=edit&preload=Template:<templatename>
[19:04:27] <rangerpb>	the action worked but preload didn't. so I wondered if it required that inputbox function
[19:04:59] <rangerpb>	brion-work, is there a better way to accomplish this?
[19:05:24] <CIA-6>	03david * r25969 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/ (LqtModel.php LqtPages.php): Watches appear to be working.
[19:06:42] <CIA-6>	03erik * r25970 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: +sabine
[19:13:09] <CIA-6>	03david * r25971 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtModel.php: trivial comment update
[19:17:15] <faceface>	is there a chat channel for DPL?
[19:19:24] <faceface>	what is the best link for 'MediaWiki table syntax'?
[19:19:43] <faceface>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table
[19:19:45] <faceface>	thanks
[19:20:02] <faceface>	nb
[19:21:39] <uwe>	hello, i have mediawiki that i just took a copy from it to change the hosting, now i get broken article names! any idea what can cause that ? i suppose something related to the database, i took a export/dump backup of database and restored it to the other db, im not aware of anything to setup to make things work if this is the cause,  thank you for help/hints in advance
[19:22:01] <Darkmagister>	hi
[19:22:09] <Darkmagister>	i have another problem
[19:22:22] <faceface>	uwe, What do you have in LocalSettings.php that may match the old site?
[19:22:55] <Darkmagister>	where i can delete an account
[19:23:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	you don't.
[19:23:11] <faceface>	uwe, What were the URL's on the old / new account?
[19:23:11] <uwe>	faceface, i dont get what you mean ? i suppose everything is the same, db name, user and pass
[19:23:20] <uwe>	host is localhost
[19:23:24] <faceface>	uwe, there is a server name setting?
[19:23:35] <faceface>	uwe, you are seeing the mainpage?
[19:23:46] <uwe>	oh .. faceface , that changed
[19:24:10] <uwe>	it was /mediawiki-1.9.2/ its now /htdocs/mediawiki-1.9.2/
[19:24:17] <uwe>	but i changed that
[19:24:29] <uwe>	yes faceface , its working
[19:24:37] <uwe>	perfectly
[19:24:44] <faceface>	but links on the main page point to the wrong place?
[19:24:45] <uwe>	but the article titles are ????
[19:24:50] <uwe>	%3F
[19:25:20] <faceface>	oh... sounds like an encoding problem in the new database...
[19:25:22] <faceface>	I think...
[19:25:39] <uwe>	when i do random article, i get them
[19:26:04] <faceface>	you get one of your old articles with a new borked name?
[19:26:05] <uwe>	but i cant go by name in URL nor can i see the name in the webbrowser
[19:26:12] <uwe>	yes
[19:26:21] <faceface>	ouch!
[19:26:25] <faceface>	I hate encoding!
[19:26:27] <uwe>	the name is question marks ... all the way
[19:26:39] <uwe>	the strange thing that the article content is just fine
[19:26:54] <uwe>	so its not database wide thing ... i think
[19:27:24] <faceface>	certainly sounds like an encoding problem.
[19:27:55] <Darkmagister>	.. i dont understand where i can delete an account or modify the name
[19:28:11] <uwe>	i suppose its the "page" table
[19:28:16] <faceface>	Darkmagister, do you have DB access?
[19:28:46] <Darkmagister>	yes
[19:29:03] <faceface>	I suppose you can attack the tables and do what you want.
[19:29:49] <Darkmagister>	delete the account from the db it's ok
[19:30:24] <faceface>	no, carefully edit delete the row from the user tab that stores the data for that account.
[19:30:35] <faceface>	s/edit delete/edit/
[19:31:05] <Darkmagister>	ok
[19:31:08] <Darkmagister>	thanls
[19:31:17] <faceface>	don't break any links!
[19:31:49] <Remover>	howdy
[19:32:13] <faceface>	anyone use DPL? I just created #DPL
[19:32:23] <faceface>	~~~Join me~~~
[19:34:45] <faceface>	 /msg chanserv help
[19:42:02] <faceface>	hey jimbojw 
[19:42:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update for Swedish localisation (sv) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11409 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (lejonel)
[19:42:11] <faceface>	you work on ecoliwiki?
[19:42:20] <jimbojw>	hello faceface 
[19:42:24] <jimbojw>	not directly
[19:43:28] <faceface>	OK
[19:43:32] <jimbojw>	i coauthered an extension with Jim Hu for prefilling pages with data programatically - which he ended up using in ecoliwiki
[19:44:11] <faceface>	Ahh... I saw the user JimHu there, and I saw your nick Jim'Jw and I put 2 and 2 together...
[19:44:29] <Remover>	hmm I'm not sure if my issue is due to PHP or MW
[19:45:26] <faceface>	jimbojw, do you use DPL?
[19:45:37] <faceface>	Join my shiny new channel... #DPL
[19:46:07] <jimbojw>	haha - i have used dpl in the past some
[19:46:25] <Remover>	when using the install script, when it comes to dynamically loading the databases, the script dies. Now I don't think it's dl, because safe mode is off and enable_dl is on
[19:46:29] <Remover>	so I think it's mw_have_dl
[19:46:39] <faceface>	Its getting better all the time, but it seems to have reached 'overload'
[19:46:50] <faceface>	(for historical reasons)
[19:47:00] <faceface>	I think it needs a conceptual overhaul 
[19:47:01] <jimbojw>	faceface: at one point I was doing some cool stuff with my regex parser function in combination with dpl - to do formatting and requerying that wasn't intended
[19:47:55] <faceface>	I set it up so that when you join #DPL - the channel says Hi... how cool is that!
[19:48:45] <specialKevin>	I was wondering if there was any other way to create mediawiki user accounts besides the web-interface, we have a database of usernames and passwords and would like to import those into mediawiki
[19:48:55] <faceface>	jimbojw, check this for the awesome power of dpl .. http://biodatabase.org/index.php/New_Database_List_More
[19:49:15] <CIA-6>	03raymond * r25973 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesSv.php: 
[19:49:15] <CIA-6>	* (bug 11409) Update Swedish translations
[19:49:15] <CIA-6>	 Patch by Lejonel
[19:49:25] <faceface>	specialKevin, you can prolly generate teh right data to load into the DB, but I think there is an extension for exactly that
[19:50:40] <Duesentrieb>	specialKevin: actually, it may be nicer to make mediawiki use your existing db directly. Look for instructions for AuthPlugin
[19:50:44] <jimbojw>	faceface: what I'm waiting for is official support of an {{#ask:}} parser function in Semantic MW - i think combining those two could be really great
[19:50:46] <Duesentrieb>	hm... maybe the bot has the link?
[19:50:48] <Duesentrieb>	!auth
[19:51:02] <faceface>	#ask?
[19:51:29] <faceface>	we have a bot?
[19:51:29] <Duesentrieb>	!auth is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[19:51:29] <mwbot>	Successfully added keyword: auth
[19:51:43] <faceface>	mwbot, faceface is going to abuse you!
[19:51:45] <Duesentrieb>	!help | faceface 
[19:51:45] <mwbot>	faceface : Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. There's not much documentation on me, but you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn
[19:52:11] <faceface>	dang... he isn't smart enough to understand my humour
[19:52:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Internationalization of dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11410 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (yaron57)
[19:52:22] <ivarv>	has anyone else experienced breakage with the ConfirmEdit plugin with 1.11 ?
[19:52:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update for Swedish localisation (sv) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11409  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:52:30] <Duesentrieb>	faceface: it's pretty silent too
[19:52:35] <Duesentrieb>	!ask
[19:52:35] <mwbot>	Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[19:52:41] <faceface>	OK
[19:52:45] <Remover>	:/
[19:53:02] <ivarv>	mwbot, fair enough :)..
[19:53:17] <specialKevin>	Duesentrieb: thanks for the help
[19:53:21] <Duesentrieb>	ivarv: that wasn't for you :)
[19:53:35] <ivarv>	how does one go about debugging an extension that went AWOL during the upgrade to 1.11 ? 
[19:53:47] <Duesentrieb>	ivarv: enable error reporting, first of all.
[19:54:02] <faceface>	ivarv, then check the table names it expects
[19:54:04] <Duesentrieb>	ivarv: well, actually, it depends on what type of problem you are having
[19:54:16] <faceface>	its a table name problem me guesses
[19:54:25] <faceface>	(blindly)
[19:54:37] <ivarv>	tablename ?
[19:54:47] <Duesentrieb>	ivarv: what do you get? blank page? error message? extension does nothing? or behaves oddly?
[19:54:58] *ivarv 	googles  mediawiki error reporting
[19:55:08] <ivarv>	Duesentrieb, the extension is doing nothing
[19:55:12] <faceface>	ivarv, I found that when an extension breaks between versions it is because it has an old schema in mind when it queries. 
[19:55:19] <Duesentrieb>	ivarv: google php error reporting. mediawiki does nothing special.
[19:55:20] <ivarv>	an anonymous user can edit an entry without the captcha
[19:55:34] <Duesentrieb>	ah, so it doesn't trigger.
[19:55:34] <CIA-6>	03brion * r25974 10/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php: * (bug 4918) Clean up logic for email notification minor edit option. I haven't been able to reproduce the bug, though, so not sure if there's no effect or what. Seems to work equally before and after.
[19:55:45] <Duesentrieb>	ivarv: well... when upgrading, did you re-create localsettings.php?
[19:55:54] <ivarv>	no, i copied it over
[19:56:01] <Duesentrieb>	ivarv: because per default, the captcha doesn't trigger on noermal edits. only if you try to add a url.
[19:56:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  User preference for no email notification for minor edits does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4918  +comment (10brion)
[19:57:31] <Duesentrieb>	ivarv: see if you have $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; somewhere. if not, add it.
[19:57:51] <ivarv>	Duesentrieb, in localsettings ?
[19:57:55] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[19:58:15] <Duesentrieb>	did you upgrade the extension too?
[19:58:25] <ivarv>	Duesentrieb, yeah, extension is fresh from svn
[19:58:42] <Duesentrieb>	maybe the defaults changed
[20:05:00] <ivarv>	Duesentrieb, well.. it works now !
[20:05:29] <ivarv>	Duesentrieb, I guess it must have been the edit trigger..
[20:05:42] <ivarv>	Duesentrieb, thanks muchly for the help :)
[20:06:14] <ivarv>	one more Q - does anyone know how to prevent changes to the 'Sandbox' test page from showing up in 'Recent Changes' ?
[20:09:27] <Duesentrieb>	ivarv: Recent Changes shows ALL changes. That's its purpose.
[20:15:56] <carrera_>	Nikerabbit, ugga bugga?
[20:20:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) api. php should be able to load only a section of wikitext of a page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11353  +comment (10cannon.danielc)
[20:21:57] <dtolj>	Whats the easiest way to restrict access to User Profiles from other local users?
[20:22:35] <Duesentrieb>	dtolj: there's an extension for that. called somethign like KeepYourHandToYourself
[20:22:38] <Duesentrieb>	+s
[20:22:56] <dtolj>	i wish:(
[20:24:06] <Duesentrieb>	hm?
[20:24:16] <dtolj>	No just curious is it possible to restict access by user or is it all done by group?
[20:24:36] <Duesentrieb>	only by group
[20:24:56] <Duesentrieb>	but extensions can do special things. like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself
[20:25:46] <dtolj>	thanks
[20:26:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) api.php should honor maxlag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11206  (10cannon.danielc)
[20:26:28] <faceface>	is there a channel about semantic media wiki?
[20:26:32] <faceface>	;-)
[20:26:52] <ThomasV>	TimStarling: why is there no content-length header set in the curl request in WebStorePostFile.php ? 
[20:27:31] <ThomasV>	my apache returns a 411 error
[20:29:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CLI API request - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10540  +comment (10cannon.danielc)
[20:32:38] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Watchlist RSS feed should include diffs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10268  +comment (10cannon.danielc)
[20:33:46] *amidaniel 	giggles at Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself
[20:36:22] <Nikerabbit>	:D
[20:39:33] <jimbojw>	hi all - technical question: does $dbr (as retrieved from wfGetDB(DB_SLAV) ) automatically use memcache for queries?
[20:54:25] <RevChas>	I've got a problem with a new installation of mediawiki. I've uploaded a few images, but I can't view any of them. I wanted to make one my site logo, but nothing shows up. I have searched for the images by keywords in the description and the result page shows the images, but looking at the Image:foo.png page shows a missing image graphic.
[20:55:06] <Duesentrieb>	RevChas: let me guess: you are using rewrite rules for short urls.
[20:55:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) can' t have an n-ary relation composed of an enumerated type - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11411 major; high; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[20:56:01] <gongoputch>	is there a tree view of the article hierarchy in a mediawiki?
[20:56:06] <RevChas>	Duesentrie: Let me check.
[20:59:48] <Duesentrieb>	gongoputch: there'S no article hierarchy. categories can be organized hierarchically, if you do it. CategoryTree can be used to view such a structure
[21:01:06] <gongoputch>	Duesentrieb: hmmm
[21:01:15] <gongoputch>	I need to read up on catagories
[21:01:30] <Duesentrieb>	gongoputch: just look how wikipedia uses them
[21:01:40] <Duesentrieb>	go to the bottom of any (non-sucking) page on wikipedia
[21:01:42] <gongoputch>	I was wanting to see something you might call a "link map"
[21:02:04] <gongoputch>	the page on Wiki would be non-sucking?
[21:02:16] <Duesentrieb>	the link structure is rarely hierarchical, and often highly cyclic and redundant
[21:02:17] <minute>	yes
[21:02:41] <Duesentrieb>	gongoputch: well, very sucky pages on wikipedia might not have categories, and would thus be a bad example :)
[21:03:27] <gongoputch>	i made my wiki pretty close to hierarchical ...
[21:07:22] <alxndr>	gongoputch: you might find this useful, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseCategoryBrowser it says it needs fixing, but appears to work fine
[21:08:49] <RevChas>	OK, I've looked for the settings described here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL_overview, and I can't find $wgArticlePath settings in LocalSetting.php
[21:09:38] <RevChas>	I've even created another VirtualHost in apache that has a really simple page that displays a few graphics, and that works just fine.
[21:10:17] <gongoputch>	alxndr: thank you
[21:12:42] <gongoputch>	alxndr: so I would just put that in my local config file?
[21:12:47] <alxndr>	yeah
[21:12:53] <gongoputch>	$wgUseCategoryBrowser=true
[21:12:56] <alxndr>	that is, LocalSettings
[21:12:59] <gongoputch>	way cool!
[21:13:07] *gongoputch 	scampers off
[21:13:17] <Duesentrieb>	RevChas: well, check out what url is generated for the image. then find out why it doesn'tg work.
[21:13:49] <Duesentrieb>	bah, CategoryTree is much nicer than the category browser :)
[21:14:05] *Hojjat 	agrees with that last one
[21:14:09] <gongoputch>	Duesentrieb: what does it look like?
[21:14:53] <Duesentrieb>	gongoputch: look at the box at the right side here: http://commons.wikimedia.org
[21:14:56] <Duesentrieb>	click a [+]
[21:15:16] <alxndr>	bah, category tree bugs me
[21:15:28] <alxndr>	...but i can't think of anything better
[21:15:29] <Duesentrieb>	hehe
[21:15:42] <Duesentrieb>	well, it's not on every page...
[21:16:12] <CIA-6>	03erik * r25975 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/OmegaWikiRecordSets.php: Port & commit Berto's changes to use UNIONs instead of IN() for atomic caching.
[21:16:13] <gongoputch>	i see it
[21:16:16] <Duesentrieb>	gongoputch: it has a lot of options. you can for example also make it show the pages inside the categories
[21:16:35] <gongoputch>	how do I put it on a page 
[21:16:41] <Duesentrieb>	you also automatically get the dynamic view of subcategories on category pages
[21:17:01] <Duesentrieb>	gongoputch: it's an extension. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%3ACategoryTree
[21:17:09] <gongoputch>	I am 3 days into getting my feet wet in mediawiki
[21:17:13] <gongoputch>	and having some fun
[21:17:57] <Duesentrieb>	have more fun: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[21:18:06] <gongoputch>	:)
[21:18:28] <gongoputch>	http://74.95.184.163/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page is my sandbox
[21:20:21] <gongoputch>	this channel has really been helpful, thanks!
[21:21:52] <Duesentrieb>	you broke it :)(
[21:22:13] <Duesentrieb>	gongoputch: anyway... if you want to run a *wiki* don't try to hard to plan a structure. let it grow.
[21:22:23] <gongoputch>	yea
[21:22:32] <gongoputch>	general guidelines
[21:22:37] <gongoputch>	oops
[21:22:41] <Duesentrieb>	and reorganize as needed. 
[21:23:06] <Duesentrieb>	gongoputch: from my experience on wikipedia, page links form a network, while categories form a (poly)hierarchy
[21:23:23] <Duesentrieb>	that seems to be the "natural" way of things
[21:24:09] <gongoputch>	that makes sense
[21:24:18] <gongoputch>	this is actually exciting
[21:24:25] <gongoputch>	because it ie EASY to do
[21:24:33] <gongoputch>	yay mediawiki!
[21:28:01] <gongoputch>	forgot spaces in the localconfig
[21:31:43] <RevChas>	Duesentrie: I think I found a fix to my graphic problem. I uploaded other graphics and cpuld see them. The only difference I can see is when I uploaded the first files I filled in the "Destination filename" and gave the images names with underscpres in their name. Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
[21:32:05] <Hojjat>	RevChas, it is Duesentrieb (with a "b" in the end)
[21:32:21] <gongoputch>	where should i see the results of '$wgUseCategoryBrowser = true;' ?
[21:32:23] <Hojjat>	RevChas: You can use "tab" button, to let your IRC client compelte the nickname
[21:32:38] <RevChas>	Hojjat: Thanks, my IRC client seems to be clipping the name short.
[21:32:58] <Hojjat>	RevChas... then ignore it.
[21:33:08] *Hojjat 	blinks
[21:33:50] <alxndr>	gongoputch: it shows up in the category links at the bottom of an article
[21:35:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Notice: unserialize() Error when using Postgres - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11292  (10greg)
[21:36:11] <gongoputch>	alxndr: ah
[21:36:38] <gongoputch>	I don't have catagory links in my articles :(
[21:37:55] <alxndr>	gongoputch: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Categories
[21:39:22] <gongoputch>	alxndr: so i will set them up and then they work ....
[21:39:24] <gongoputch>	cool
[21:41:56] <gongoputch>	well, I have some more to go chew on, thnx
[21:47:36] <micaelzer>	is there a way to know if a viewing user is logged in or not? I just want to hide toolbox to who didi not log in
[21:47:55] <micaelzer>	on skin Template
[21:47:59] <alxndr>	you can do something like $wgUser->isLoggedIn()
[21:48:24] <micaelzer>	ok Thanks
[22:21:56] <omoo>	hallo everyone, how can i get a counter into the navi like the following one: http://www.stupidedia.org/
[22:29:08] <micaelzer>	put counter code aanywhere you want, it's not powered by mediawiki
[22:29:35] <micaelzer>	outside counter service or something
[22:29:41] <Panora200>	hi all
[22:29:52] <omoo>	how can i put it in the sidebar as its on the stupidedia
[22:30:00] <Panora200>	does anyone know of any effort into an "Universal XML specification" for database dumps?
[22:30:22] <Panora200>	I mean, something we could "export" from another wiki in that format and import it into mediawiki
[22:30:25] <Panora200>	or the oppostie
[22:30:55] <Hojjat>	All, read this:
[22:31:00] <Hojjat>	"Note: If you are prompted for a password, this may be an indication that your account has not been set up correctly." from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access
[22:31:21] <Hojjat>	I infer it assumes that the private key shouldn't have a passphrase... isn't it insecure?
[22:31:31] <micaelzer>	omoo: open skins/monobook.php file, and search sidebar code, and put countercode with <div class="portlet"> COUNTER_CODE</div>
[22:32:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) In Firefox, page renders such that text cannot be viewed properly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11412 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (jamievicary)
[22:42:15] <omoo>	micaelzer: thank you.
[22:48:40] <Hojjat>	how do we force the linux SVN command line tool, to get only the contents of the given directory (and not its subdirectories) in a checkout?
[22:48:48] <Hojjat>	with -N option?
[22:50:00] <Duesentrieb>	svn help co
[22:50:23] <Duesentrieb>	i think -N is right, but read the help
[22:50:48] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb I read the help, and like you, I thought -N is the solution, but I'm not sure ;(
[22:51:06] <Duesentrieb>	tias
[22:51:21] <Duesentrieb>	you can always ctrl-c
[22:52:13] <Hojjat>	hihi:)
[22:52:19] <Hojjat>	okay, let's go
[22:58:20] <BraydenP>	Hello.
[22:59:37] <BraydenP>	I want to know, if there is anything made for MediaWiki, which will auto add content?
[23:01:29] <Hojjat>	I did my first commit!! :) :) :)
[23:01:41] <BraydenP>	Nice.
[23:01:52] <BraydenP>	Can you help Hojjat?
[23:01:56] <Hojjat>	How?
[23:02:00] <BraydenP>	I want to know, if there is anything made for MediaWiki, which will auto add content?
[23:02:13] <Hojjat>	content like what?
[23:02:46] <BraydenP>	Auto add stuff.
[23:02:48] <BraydenP>	Anything.
[23:02:50] <BraydenP>	Add pages.
[23:03:08] <BraydenP>	Like, get content/info from wikipedia.org and add it, to my media wiki?
[23:03:44] <Hojjat>	Generally yes
[23:03:50] <Hojjat>	But it depends on your purpose.
[23:03:59] <BraydenP>	Information sharing.
[23:04:16] <Hojjat>	For example, you can "export" the page from the other wiki and "import" them on yours, but this will require special "permissions" I think
[23:04:25] <BraydenP>	Ah.
[23:04:31] <Hojjat>	However, I did something different once:
[23:04:32] <BraydenP>	Can you go into detail?
[23:04:52] <Hojjat>	Let me explain my method first, then if you wanted, I'll explain the export method as well, okay?
[23:05:09] <BraydenP>	Yeah
[23:05:23] <Hojjat>	I created a local wiki (on my home machine, for testing purposes), then I figured that I don't have enough pages and data to test my wiki
[23:05:38] <Hojjat>	So I did this: I downloaded a database dump of Test Wiki
[23:05:47] <Hojjat>	(You can get the dump of any wikimedia wiki, I guess)
[23:06:05] <Duesentrieb>	when importing content from other wikis, make sure to follow their license.
[23:06:10] <Hojjat>	then I followed the instructions on MediaWiki website, to import this dump to my wiki database
[23:06:23] <Hojjat>	After doing some minor changes, I had all the data there
[23:06:36] <Hojjat>	It even imported the names of the editing users, in the history of the page
[23:06:39] <Duesentrieb>	if you copy content from wikipedia, you have to at least link back to the original page, and the file history there for author attribution, and methion the gfdl
[23:06:40] <Hojjat>	pages
[23:07:08] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb is very right.
[23:07:30] <Hojjat>	The method I used is okay, as long as I'm not publishing the information again. My test wiki is local, so I'm not publishing the data under my name
[23:08:13] <Hojjat>	When I look at the page histories, I see usernames belonging to accounts of Test Wiki; these accounts are not on "my" wiki, so the page history is not "correctly" attributing the original authors of the page. If I make it public, I'm violating GFDL
[23:08:32] <BraydenP>	Ah
[23:08:40] <BraydenP>	I thought Wikipedia's content was GPL.
[23:08:43] <Hojjat>	I "guess" (not sure) that if you use the import/export feature of MediaWiki itself, you can solve that issue... I repeat I'm not sure
[23:08:53] <Hojjat>	It is GFDL.
[23:09:03] <Hojjat>	Bottom right of every page
[23:09:31] <BraydenP>	So.
[23:09:37] <BraydenP>	I don't know PHP/MySQL much
[23:09:40] <BraydenP>	So what's easiest.
[23:11:19] <BraydenP>	?
[23:11:21] <Duesentrieb>	BraydenP: GFDL is kind of like GPL for text. so it requires attribution of each individual author.
[23:11:27] <BraydenP>	Ok.
[23:11:28] <BraydenP>	So.
[23:11:39] <Hojjat>	To me, the PHP MYSQL method was "easy"
[23:11:54] <Hojjat>	But regarding what you say about your skills, may be the export/import method is more suitable for you
[23:12:04] <Duesentrieb>	BraydenP: easiest: import the page, make a {{from wikipedia}} template and add it to imported pages. it can automatically generate the required links
[23:12:34] <Hojjat>	You can go to Special:Export of the source wiki to export the required pages
[23:12:48] <Hojjat>	You give the list of pages, and click the export button and voila! (something like that)
[23:13:21] <BraydenP>	I don't understand, some hard shit to understand.
[23:15:39] <Hojjat>	See:
[23:16:43] <BraydenP>	?
[23:16:56] <Hojjat>	Go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
[23:17:09] <Panora200>	I think there is a Special:Import as well
[23:17:25] <Panora200>	btw, I'm searching for an "Universal XML format" to share between wiki engines
[23:17:35] <Panora200>	mediawiki/docuwiki/tikiwiki/twiki etc
[23:17:43] <Panora200>	is there any effort on this?
[23:18:03] <Panora200>	I'm thinking of making a draft and inviting people to RFC
[23:18:13] <Hojjat>	BraydenP are you following me?
[23:18:27] <BraydenP>	Hojjat
[23:18:32] <BraydenP>	I get you abit.
[23:18:32] <BraydenP>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Eliminating_index.php_from_the_url
[23:18:47] <BraydenP>	Lol, do I need to do that?
[23:19:01] <Hojjat>	Do what?
[23:19:11] <Panora200>	sorry. didn't meant to confuse BraydenP
[23:19:18] <BraydenP>	Panora200.
[23:19:19] <BraydenP>	I'm ok.
[23:19:22] <BraydenP>	I'm not thick.
[23:19:43] <Hojjat>	BraydenP, are you listening or what?
[23:19:47] <BraydenP>	Add pages from category:
[23:19:52] <BraydenP>	If I put in
[23:19:54] <BraydenP>	Business
[23:20:09] <Hojjat>	It will add a list of pages down there, all in Category:Business
[23:20:11] <BraydenP>	Will take export content(pages) to do with business?
[23:20:21] <BraydenP>	I'm getting you know.
[23:20:38] <Hojjat>	"to do with" is not a good term. Categorization is a story itself
[23:20:41] <Hojjat>	Just leave it now
[23:20:43] <Hojjat>	Do this:
[23:20:51] <Hojjat>	In the bottom box, type "Netherlands" without quotes
[23:21:00] <Hojjat>	(Forget the add from category box for a while)
[23:21:14] <Hojjat>	Make sure both checkboxes are checked
[23:21:23] <Hojjat>	then "Export" button should be pressed
[23:21:38] <BraydenP>	Why netherlands?
[23:22:20] <Hojjat>	as an example
[23:22:32] <Hojjat>	Suppose that you want to have a copy of the page Netherlands, in your wiki
[23:23:06] <Hojjat>	The browser should tell you that you are about to save a file. Just save it soewhere, like on the desktop
[23:23:10] <Hojjat>	okay?
[23:23:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) show subproperties in Property pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11413 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[23:23:33] <BraydenP>	I put in business now:P
[23:23:54] <BraydenP>	Include only the current revision, not the full history
[23:23:55] <Hojjat>	okay, you have an XML file on your desktop right?
[23:23:57] <BraydenP>	What's that..
[23:23:58] <BraydenP>	Include only the current revision, not the full history
[23:24:17] <Hojjat>	It means, do you want to also include all the previous versions of the page?
[23:24:19] <CIA-6>	03huji * r25976 10/USERINFO/huji: Adding personal information to USERINFO
[23:24:23] <Hojjat>	You need to undersatnd "history" indeed
[23:24:32] <Hojjat>	CIA-6 has just reported my first commit!
[23:24:56] <BraydenP>	oK.
[23:24:59] <BraydenP>	On desktop.
[23:25:02] <BraydenP>	I have an xml file.
[23:25:17] <Hojjat>	okay
[23:25:21] <Hojjat>	now go to "your" wiki
[23:25:28] <Hojjat>	Make sure you are logged in as Admin, okay?
[23:25:35] <BraydenP>	Yes
[23:25:41] <BraydenP>	I'm in
[23:25:57] <Hojjat>	Go to http://whatEverYourWikiIs/Special:Import
[23:26:05] <Hojjat>	can you give me the link of your wiki?
[23:26:25] <BraydenP>	pm
[23:26:32] <Hojjat>	okay
[23:31:26] <BraydenP>	Hojjat.
[23:31:30] <BraydenP>	I pm'd you.
[23:31:31] <Hojjat>	yes?
[23:31:40] <Hojjat>	Nothing received!
[23:32:01] <Hojjat>	Just type it here, but change it.. like http://www.mywiki.com/the_rest
[23:32:03] <Duesentrieb>	BraydenP: if you are not registered, private messages get ignored
[23:32:21] <Panora200>	good night all
[23:32:25] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: he/she is not registerd!
[23:32:37] <BraydenP>	Oh
[23:32:47] <BraydenP>	http://branik-networks.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[23:32:51] <Hojjat>	Okay
[23:32:56] <BraydenP>	I still get that installed message
[23:33:05] <Hojjat>	Try this: http://branik-networks.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Import
[23:33:06] <Hojjat>	Oh no!
[23:33:12] <Hojjat>	You need to install the wiki then!
[23:33:19] <Hojjat>	Follow the instructions
[23:34:13] <BraydenP>	I did install the wiki?
[23:34:18] <BraydenP>	And I am logged in.
[23:35:03] <Hojjat>	Does it look like the other wikis
[23:35:04] <Hojjat>	?
[23:35:16] <Hojjat>	I mean, the "navigation" box on the left, and the search box... etc?
[23:35:55] <BraydenP>	Has all them
[23:36:03] <Hojjat>	BraydenP, I checked it
[23:36:07] <Hojjat>	It is okay
[23:36:19] <Hojjat>	Go to this page: http://branik-networks.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Import
[23:36:50] <BraydenP>	I have already imported.
[23:36:54] <Hojjat>	Great
[23:37:10] <Hojjat>	http://branik-networks.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages
[23:37:16] <Hojjat>	Lots of Business pages, right?!
[23:38:03] <Hojjat>	Now, there is a big problem with: http://branik-networks.com/wiki/index.php/Business   It doesn't inform the reader that it is imported from En Wikipedia
[23:38:04] <BraydenP>	Yes.
[23:38:13] <BraydenP>	Why?
[23:38:24] <Hojjat>	Why should it say that?!
[23:38:28] <Hojjat>	It is a page, like the others
[23:38:40] <Hojjat>	It is you and me that know where it came from. The software doesn't know it!
[23:38:53] <Hojjat>	So here are your options:
[23:39:03] <Hojjat>	1) Delete the imported pages immediately!
[23:39:18] <Hojjat>	2) Add some text to the pages, informing the reader where the information came from.
[23:39:33] <BraydenP>	2.
[23:39:34] <BraydenP>	:p
[23:39:45] <BraydenP>	In the footer?
[23:39:52] <Hojjat>	okay, let's give it a try.
[23:40:32] *BraydenP 	look's on how to change footer.
[23:40:38] <Duesentrieb>	footer is tricky (but possible). you want direct links to the page history.
[23:40:50] <Duesentrieb>	also, you probably don't want it on *all* pages...
[23:40:57] <BraydenP>	Well.
[23:41:00] <BraydenP>	I'll just say
[23:41:10] <BraydenP>	Source: WikiPedia.ORG.
[23:41:15] <Hojjat>	check this out: http://branik-networks.com/wiki/index.php/Business
[23:41:16] <Duesentrieb>	nope.
[23:41:31] <Duesentrieb>	BraydenP: wikipedia doesn't own the copyright. you must attribute the AUTHORS
[23:41:50] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb, is right
[23:41:51] <flyingparchment>	easiest way to attribute is to link to the history page
[23:41:54] <Hojjat>	What i did is "not" enough
[23:41:55] <flyingparchment>	(on wikipedia)
[23:41:59] <Duesentrieb>	right
[23:42:05] <Hojjat>	flyingparchment it is not enough in this case
[23:42:11] <Hojjat>	the original authors should be named
[23:42:17] <flyingparchment>	technically yes, but no-one does that.
[23:42:17] <Duesentrieb>	which again is easily done with a template, building the url using {{PAGENAMEE}}
[23:42:18] <flyingparchment>	:)
[23:42:19] <Hojjat>	per GFDL 4.2 if I can recall
[23:42:37] <flyingparchment>	unofficial wikimedia policy is that linking to the history is enough
[23:42:46] <Duesentrieb>	Hojjat: link to the history page is considered ok
[23:43:02] <Hojjat>	flyingparchment I think it is that "when still inside another Wikimedia sister project, it is enough"
[23:43:07] <flyingparchment>	no, anywhere
[23:43:12] <Hojjat>	Not sure if they really apply it to all other places.
[23:43:13] <Hojjat>	Don't know
[23:43:17] <Hojjat>	Anyways, that is unofficial
[23:43:39] <BraydenP>	Problem is guys.
[23:43:41] <Hojjat>	So "in legal terms" it is not enough
[23:43:49] <BraydenP>	I want to EXPORT every wikipedia page:P.
[23:44:08] <Duesentrieb>	BraydenP: you can download a full dump from download.wikimedia.org
[23:44:11] <flyingparchment>	you want to mirror wikipedia?
[23:44:32] <Duesentrieb>	BraydenP: but WHY? there are easier ways to make a mirror. and it's hard to make a decent fork. so... why?
[23:45:18] <Duesentrieb>	BraydenP: every page > 2 million, btw, not counting redirects. the dump probably contains 4-5 million pages
[23:45:18] <BraydenP>	My networked banned wikipedia.
[23:45:36] <BraydenP>	But, students need it.
[23:45:41] <Hojjat>	BraydenP,  not sure if you are allowed to do that then
[23:45:44] <Hojjat>	... :(
[23:45:45] <Duesentrieb>	network banned wikipedia?
[23:46:01] <Duesentrieb>	BraydenP: how about just using a static html dump of wikipedia?=
[23:46:18] <flyingparchment>	haha banned wikipedia.  that's awesome
[23:46:37] <Hojjat>	flyingparchment, don't laugh at it. We have experienced that a lot
[23:46:51] <Duesentrieb>	who we?
[23:46:52] <Hojjat>	well not "a lot" but.. many times
[23:46:56] <Hojjat>	We in Iran
[23:47:14] <Hojjat>	Don't laugh but the night before last one, Gmail and Google were filtered!
[23:47:18] <Hojjat>	For, say 20 hours.
[23:47:33] <Duesentrieb>	i see. in that case, hosting a mirror might get you into deep shit, i suppose.
[23:47:41] <Hojjat>	Good point!
[23:48:54] <BraydenP>	So/.
[23:49:00] <BraydenP>	What can I do, which is legal?
[23:49:23] <Duesentrieb>	which wikipedia do you want?
[23:49:26] <BraydenP>	en.
[23:49:54] <Hojjat>	BraydenP, "legal" is a huge word here
[23:50:01] <Hojjat>	It has two sides, at least:
[23:50:04] <BraydenP>	I won't get in shit for this mirror.
[23:50:07] <BraydenP>	I just wanna do it.
[23:50:11] <Duesentrieb>	hrm... no static html dump of enwiki currently? too bad. Bug Tim about it..
[23:50:16] <Hojjat>	Legal based on GFDL, and legal in your situation
[23:50:41] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb, I guess Tim left a few minutes ago
[23:50:48] <BraydenP>	NO EN WIKI!
[23:50:53] <BraydenP>	Why?
[23:51:19] <Duesentrieb>	because it's large, and the dump broke? i donÄt know. but it's just the html version
[23:51:39] <Duesentrieb>	there's an xml dump of the "important" pages here: http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20070908/enwiki-20070908-pages-articles.xml.bz2
[23:52:11] <Duesentrieb>	you can import that using maintenance/importDump.php, or using mwdump (faster) and the maintenance/rebuildLinks.php
[23:52:39] <Duesentrieb>	beware that importing may take some time (hours, maybe days), and you should have a relativey big database.
[23:53:07] <Duesentrieb>	i'd expect this to take... oh, about 10GB or more on disk.
[23:53:40] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb, for me, importing Test took about an hour. And test is "very" small, compared to En
[23:53:52] <Hojjat>	I guess, "days" could be "weeks" in my case, if I wanted to import En
[23:53:55] <Duesentrieb>	an hour is long
[23:54:07] <Duesentrieb>	oh, wait, i lied. it's going to be more than 10GB
[23:54:34] <Duesentrieb>	more like... 30? 100? I have no idea how much space all the link tables with all the indexes actually take
[23:54:56] <BraydenP>	Uhm.
[23:54:58] <flyingparchment>	space requirements for importing wikipedia are measured in metric shitloads
[23:55:05] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[23:55:09] <BraydenP>	How about I just import 1 or 2 catorgors?
[23:55:31] <Duesentrieb>	you can export by category (but that doesn't include subcategories)
[23:55:46] <Duesentrieb>	if you can find what you need, sure, go ahead.
[23:55:57] <Duesentrieb>	Special:Export takes a list of pages...
[23:56:55] <BraydenP>	Also.
[23:57:13] <BraydenP>	I want to know what Tesco PLC is under on en.wikip..
[23:58:31] <Duesentrieb>	"under"?
[23:58:38] <Duesentrieb>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesco_PLC
[23:59:55] <BraydenP>	What category is it?