[00:07:37] dcorbin, if that message appears, the variable should work. You set it near the bottom, right? And you're sure it's the right LocalSettings.php? [00:12:31] No, I set it at the top. [00:12:43] There's more than one LocalSettings.php? [00:12:56] (I'm putting it in the one that is causing the problem when I edit it). [00:14:28] Sigh. Now the /original/ problem has disappeared. I hate this type of thing. [00:14:35] dcorbin, you need to put all config changes near the bottom. If you put it at the top, it will get overwritten by the DefaultSettings.php inclusion. [00:14:55] Simetrical: OK. [00:14:56] Kind of bad design, I guess, but that's life. [00:15:08] And no, you should only have one, but you never know. I've edited the wrong php.ini before. [00:15:08] I figured that type of setting should be "early". [00:15:19] what's the latest version of mediawiki? [00:15:44] 1.11 [00:15:44] ok [00:15:45] GBenemy|l, see topic. [00:16:05] sup everyone [00:16:10] I notice that when I use HttpAuth, it still offers "logout", and if I use it, bad things happen. [00:16:17] how do i upgrade from 1.7 -> 1.11 using linux, and i can't just download the .rar because there are so many different mediawiki files in so many diferent locaitons [00:16:27] i tried sudo apt-get update mediawiki [00:16:33] and it told me i had the latest one (1.7) [00:17:05] anyone really really good with mediawiki that could help me? [00:17:39] what do you need? [00:17:55] help setting it up? [00:18:01] sure [00:18:27] unpack it, install it, and make it run. [00:18:29] 3) profit! [00:18:36] i got this far http://internet.elementfx.com/wiki/ [00:20:33] GBenemy|l, you'll need to find a more up-to-date repo. Most of them suck at keeping stuff up-to-date except for really major packages. [00:20:56] *Simetrical wonders where the CIA bot went [00:21:00] MrAngry, follow the link. [00:21:19] what link? [00:21:27] "set up the wiki" [00:21:33] it doesn't go anywhere [00:21:41] yea [00:21:41] the /config/index.php [00:21:43] Ah. [00:21:45] goes here http://internet.elementfx.com/wiki/config/index.php [00:21:46] it's not fully displaying [00:21:56] Interesting. [00:22:24] Simetrical: do you know of one? [00:23:19] GBenemy|l, no. I've suggested we maintain an official one, but have been too lazy to do it myself, and no one else seems to care enough. [00:23:30] grr [00:25:03] So i basically just shouldnt have a wiki? [00:25:14] MrAngry, it seems to be dying somehow when checking for or loading database drivers. [00:25:47] im gonna itch my head on that [00:25:56] MrAngry, try removing line 294 or so of the file wiki/config/index.php on your webserver, that says: error_reporting( 0 ); [00:26:08] kk [00:29:39] Is there a way to edit what pages show up in the navigation bar? [00:29:54] dcorbin, edit the page MediaWiki:Sidebar on the wiki. [00:30:11] Simetrical: Thanks. [00:31:22] yea i can't find it [00:32:50] wait this, error_reporting( E_ALL ); [00:33:06] MrAngry, no, above that somewhere. [00:33:17] MrAngry, it might be E_NONE, I suppose. [00:33:31] MrAngry, look for all instances of "error_reporting". What version are you using? [00:33:58] newest [00:34:12] 1.11? [00:34:21] People have a funny idea of what "newest" is, sometimes. [00:36:13] yea [00:36:28] Simetrical: I edited that page, and put in an extrenal link. It doesn't show up in the side bar (but it does in the page) [00:36:30] $olderrnum = error_reporting(0); ?? [00:37:17] MrAngry, could you paste a copy of your index.php to http://rafb.net/paste/ ? [00:37:44] sure [00:38:11] dcorbin, the sidebar works sort of indirectly . . . I can't recall if it will accept direct input like that. Try reading this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sidebar [00:38:23] Simetrical: thanks [00:40:02] Thanks. It is "not a normal page". [00:41:28] dont think it worked but, http://rafb.net/p/jw8OxC66.html [00:41:42] dcorbin, well, no, if it were a normal page it wouldn't affect the site interface. :) [00:41:54] well, not normally formatted at all, either. [00:42:04] Simetrical: it's ok i've succesfully installed 1.11 [00:42:05] :D [00:42:13] but you probably should make a package for it :P [00:42:22] if you could be bothered making an svn for it [00:42:25] how did you get it installed so fast [00:42:29] GBenemy|l, there's an SVN . . . [00:42:41] MrAngry, for most people it works fine. Occasionally people have problems, like in your case. [00:43:02] MrAngry, could you try pasting again? Obviously it got a little messed up . . . if that doesn't work try pastebin.ca or some other paste site. [00:44:00] MrAngry: I'm magic [00:44:05] Simetrical: i know [00:46:01] MrAngry: what's the link? [00:46:26] MrAngry: try using the latest version of mediawiki [00:46:34] no [00:46:45] well, if you are, you've uploaded the setup file for 1.9 [00:47:21] http://internet.elementfx.com/wiki/config/index.php >> MediaWiki 1.9.3 Installation [00:48:06] http://pastebin.ca/720140 there it is [00:48:06] the latest is 1.11 [00:48:11] what you've got is 1.9 [00:48:41] so get rid of 1.9 and upload 1.11 through the ftp that takes forever [00:48:59] line 22 [00:49:03] ftp is the fastest [00:49:11] don't delete 1.9 [00:49:13] just upgrade [00:49:15] MrAngry, change line 256 from that paste to: $olderrnum = E_ALL; [00:49:25] only upload the updated files [00:49:30] MrAngry, upgrading to 1.11 is recommended, however. [00:49:37] GBenemy|l, we don't package them separately. [00:49:46] k ill get the new version [00:49:50] yeah you should [00:49:53] i just did :P [00:49:59] and you saw how fast i did it! [00:53:30] MrAngry: upload it to /w/ not /wiki/ [00:54:06] GBenemy|l, it can be either. Depends what he wants to do with it. [00:56:09] 03(NEW) Semantic Forms should use SMWStore instead of direct DB access - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11506 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (lgerbarg) [01:05:04] 03(NEW) Small bug in new sffLinkText - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11507 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (lgerbarg) [01:05:04] Using an httpd.conf alias rewrite method, how do I stop / from redirecting to /wiki? [01:05:49] MrAngry: vbulletin or InvisionPowerBoard [01:05:52] phpbb sucks [01:05:53] 03(mod) Small bug in new sffLinkText - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11507 (10lgerbarg) [01:05:58] well, i think so [01:07:37] GBenemy|l, unless you're dedicated to FOSS, yeah. Simple Machines is good, too, and it's free as in beer, but not as in speech. [01:07:46] its the one i usually use,easy to install, change, and use [01:07:53] hmm [01:07:58] smf is /ok/ i guess [01:08:06] but my personal favourite is vbulletin [01:08:11] Emufarmers, make sure you don't have any rewrites for /? [01:08:35] GBenemy|l, me too, that's what I admin. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/ But SMF is quite good, too, even if it does some things differently from vB. [01:08:46] I have an alias for /wiki and one for /index.php [01:09:41] Emufarmers, then Apache is going to /index.php by default, which redirects as you specified. Where are the actual wiki files? [01:09:50] In /w [01:10:01] But there's a file called index.htm in the home directory [01:10:05] Er, web root [01:10:10] Shouldn't it go for that by default? [01:10:32] Emufarmers, depends on the priorities, but if it goes for that first, you don't need the /index.php alias. What are your aliases, exactly? [01:10:53] *Simetrical gazes balefully at r26245's summary . . . committing from shell does have disadvantages [01:11:00] The ones it says to use: [01:11:06] Alias /wiki "/filesystem/path/to/my/site/index.php" [01:11:07] Alias /index.php "/filesystem/path/to/my/site/index.php" [01:11:11] Is the latter not necessary? [01:11:38] It isn't what you want, no. [01:11:58] You might want to alias /wiki/index.php to something. But then, Apache always grumbles at me that that's redundant, anyway. [01:12:01] Erm, is there a reason it's on the short URL article, then? [01:12:05] Hmm [01:12:23] Emufarmers, because it's a wiki and any idiot can add whatever they think is correct? [01:12:34] *Simetrical needs to do an overhaul of the FAQ, at least [01:12:38] I meant if there's a compelling reason. :p [01:13:02] I can't think of any, but I'm not an Apache guru. [01:13:50] Maybe the author assumed that people would want / to go to /wiki; I guess I'll just make it warn about what it does? [01:14:08] Sure, why not. [01:14:57] Simetrical: yes they do things differently, and i prefer the way vB does things [01:15:00] but i must go now [01:15:03] good night all [01:16:38] Were they having a forum software fight or something? [01:17:31] We weren't fighting, just commenting. [01:17:48] Actually we both prefer the same software, vB, and dislike the same software, phpBB. [01:18:03] Well, yeah, I guess it would have turned into a fight if I'd chimed in and said that I like phpBB. [01:19:00] :P [01:19:11] It's FOSS, but, it kind of sucks as far as I'm concerned. [01:19:22] You used Olympus? [01:19:24] SMF used to be FOSS and is good, but sadly it's no longer FOSS. [01:19:27] Never heard of it. [01:19:32] Olympus is phpBB 3 [01:19:53] The long-overdue overhaul [01:20:19] Haven't really seen that, then. [01:20:21] Anyway, I love vBulletin too, but...no beer freeness. :( [01:20:24] Hopefully it's non-sucky. [01:21:52] yea it just made it worse [01:22:01] Olympus? [01:22:16] no upgrading http://internet.elementfx.com/wiki/ lol [01:22:50] Delete the config directory [01:23:09] Er [01:23:16] you sure? [01:23:44] It won't hurt. [01:23:55] Good idea, for security. [01:23:56] Did you move this over your previous setup? [01:24:04] You need your old LocalSettings.php file [01:24:31] aauuugh [01:24:39] Wait, what? [01:24:49] i just installed this one i dont have the other one [01:24:54] Don't delete the config directory if you haven't installed yet. [01:25:01] You said you were upgrading! [01:25:27] no worrys ill just upload it again [01:25:36] is toolbox editable? [01:27:14] still no works [01:27:35] slamman, generally no. [01:28:03] MrAngry: Did you run the installation script? [01:28:05] ok THanks Simetrical , i just wanted to disable it [01:28:28] Emufarmers, it gives a 404 when he tries to access it . . . see for yourself. [01:28:41] Although that may have been after he deleted it. [01:28:42] I would, but his host isn't responding [01:28:49] yea it was [01:28:49] Fun all around! [01:30:00] wha?? [01:31:18] MrAngry: Are you installing MW for the first time, or are you just upgrading? [01:31:28] first time [01:31:43] Ok, it looks like you're missing a bunch of files. [01:32:09] that could be it [01:32:26] Did you download the archive and extract it? [01:32:44] that made me laugh [01:35:08] can mediawiki create thumbnails? [01:35:11] on the fly? [01:35:21] Yes [01:35:54] wait what am i supposed to upload first? [01:38:30] MrAngry, upload everything at once. [01:38:41] upload what? [01:39:11] Everything in the .tar.gz that you downloaded from www.mediawiki.org. [01:39:37] i did [01:39:46] Doesn't look like it [01:41:01] if you guys wouldnt mind you could really help me and take a look at it through my ftp [01:42:02] McAngry, who is your host? [01:42:04] MrAngry: [01:42:32] just use ftp.internet.elementfx.com that [01:45:43] hi [01:45:45] does it work? [01:45:50] sups [01:46:33] uh i am thinking a bout making a bot for a particular site running on mediawiki [01:46:56] i know you need to code it but where exactly do you put the code? [01:46:57] need help with it? [01:47:12] uh just thinking about it at the moment [01:47:14] ohh lol answered before i asked [01:47:49] yea im probably not the guy to talk to, i can't even get mediawiki running [01:47:55] lol [01:48:10] it just hates me [01:48:15] lol [01:48:52] anyone know? [01:49:02] dude 163 people someone should know! [01:49:03] there is no way to give a pay an alias to redirect to an actual page? [01:49:45] what?? [01:49:52] nevermind [01:49:54] redirect works [01:50:15] ah i get it [01:51:15] ??? [01:52:54] bleh i had to edit php [01:53:04] im an html guy [01:53:11] i'm a java guy [01:53:17] that could explain the troubles im having [01:53:22] i wish there were more skins [01:53:31] whats your prob MrAngry [01:53:33] i wish mine had a skin [01:54:00] internet.elementfx.com/wiki go there and see [01:54:17] next time give me an http:// [01:54:42] it wants me to set up the wiki [01:54:51] for rsvg to work in mediawiki does it just need the library? [01:55:02] ahh sorry [01:55:08] MrAngry: your index.php isn't loading [01:55:15] i noticed [01:55:23] chmod config folder to 755 [01:55:29] no [01:55:31] 777 [01:55:37] and index.php to 755 [01:55:49] no clue what your saying [01:56:00] in your ftp client right click on the file and click properties [01:56:08] chmod. change the permissions [01:56:09] or file attributes [01:56:24] k then [01:57:03] MrAngry: what kind of html you do [01:57:13] the website kind [01:57:26] got examples [01:58:05] old ones? why [01:58:49] cause i need to hire someone since i despise writing css [01:59:27] does mediawiki need the rsvg binary to render thumbnails from svg [01:59:41] i know some css [02:01:22] Is it possible to configure Mediawiki to allow only one registered user to edit a page at a time? [02:02:24] crios: no [02:03:42] How about allowing php scripts to run on a page? Like enabling full html except with php? [02:05:19] i think thats possible [02:05:28] i dont know about it being in mw though [02:07:40] wouldn't that defeat the point? [02:08:03] yea [02:10:52] Is it a variable in the Localsettings file? I've looked at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localsettings but I don't see anything about enabling php. I looked at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings and don't see anything there either. [02:11:46] crios, no and no. [02:12:22] that would be a security flaw if you could do that. [02:12:30] crios, allowing anyone to add PHP to a page would be horribly dangerous (they could very easily break page display, if not the whole site, with some typos). [02:12:44] you could also delete files [02:12:50] crios, only allowing one person to edit a page at a time is kind of a bad idea for any remotely high-activity site. [02:13:01] Ashfire908, I'm assuming that the people allowed to do it are at least theoretically trusted. [02:13:41] wouldn't it be kind of impossible to run php without hacking the code? [02:14:10] cause it gets it from a database, processes wikicode and then echos it right? [02:14:11] I want to use mw as a scheduling tool. It would be restricted to only several people (none of which have any coding skill). Would it be easy (relatively) to write an extension? [02:14:33] I don't know php but I'm gearing up to learn. [02:14:41] You could have an extension tag like that would just eval() any code put in. [02:14:58] It's a bad idea for most purposes, but fairly simple to do, and I think there's an extension somewhere. [02:15:08] crios, i don't think a wiki is meant to be a scheduling tool [02:15:44] For our purposes it might be the best tool (if I can get it to do what I want). [02:17:19] slamman: how much CSS do you need written that you're gonna hire someone to do it? [02:18:05] alxndr: tweaks right now. then i need someone with a vision for future projects [02:18:07] still it seems more simple to find a system to do almost that, and hack it to fit your needs than to hack a wiki into something totally different [02:18:39] ah [02:19:17] wiki is nice but not ideal [02:19:27] take a look at http://caltest.crios.info. I used SimpleCalendar and then created a html table as a template for the scheduling of the dates. [02:19:40] i think i might just use phpwiki [02:20:00] MrAngry: what hapened [02:20:11] it still doesnt work [02:20:52] It will be used for person/ room scheduling. Do you know of a better tool for something like this. I took a look at webcalendar but that didn't really fit and was needlessly complex for our purposes. [02:20:55] could i just give someone the ftp username and password and pay them to fix it? [02:21:49] MrAngry: if you trust me i'll finegle a little big [02:21:56] uh im having a slight problem at my friends mediawiki site [02:22:06] sure [02:22:34] the tabs for edit and history etc are appearing seperated from the page [02:22:38] crios: you looked at 37signals's stuff? [02:22:46] crios, so you thought a heavly hack wiki would be perfect? [02:22:47] this in only on a page with this table [02:22:53] *is [02:23:01] for monobook wiki i want the article/discuss/edit list to be on the bottom of the pag. [02:23:04] what it wrong with the table? [02:23:17] Whitesmith: got a link? [02:23:19] http://codetango.net/wiki/index.php/Template:BotBroken [02:23:36] I don't really know coding so I didn't know if it would be that hard or not. I'm willing (want) to learn and thought that this might be the perfect reason to. [02:23:55] what is phpwiki? [02:24:01] allows you to put php code in your wiki? [02:25:12] i dont know, but it sounds easier lol [02:28:52] lol Whitesmith you could ask me [02:29:24] lol ashfire [02:29:27] well [02:44:27] hey is anyone really bored? [02:47:43] yep [02:48:35] 02good night [02:49:16] you are [02:49:22] 03(FIXED) Truncation of audio files in Cortado - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 +comment (10tstarling) [02:50:41] how do i enable rsvg? it just keeps using imagemagick [03:46:12] could someone help me with svg support? [03:46:25] http://ashfirect.servehttp.com/wiki/Image:Nuvola_apps_important.svg it looks horible [03:54:11] hello [03:54:13] i nmeed hel [03:54:26] how i change the picture in index of my wiki [04:01:56] !logo | Phkrdoso [04:01:56] Phkrdoso : The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by the $wgLogo configuration setting in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply need to change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo image. See for more information. [04:02:26] Thanks [04:15:00] lol [04:38:00] Whitesmith: ? [04:38:14] uh yes? [04:38:30] whatcha laughing about? [04:39:45] um [04:39:48] imnot sure [04:39:55] Alright :) [05:30:26] Argh! I'm trying to include wikitext from a system message within a skin & have it display an image within tags [05:30:31] http://58.96.34.198/transitcamp/goldcoast/wiki/index.php [05:30:49] I've tried pretty much everything [05:38:45] nuck, can't be done by default at the moment, for historical reasons. The Imagemap extension tends to be used on Wikimedia sites as a workaround. [05:45:36] I've tried Extension:Imagemap - not working properly on my site [06:12:35] 03(mod) RSS XML BUG - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4580 (10onekopaka) [06:49:40] I've got the imagemap & 2 of my other extensions working on this page, but not when embedded from my custom skin: http://58.96.34.198/transitcamp/goldcoast/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:TransitCampExtLinks [06:52:32] From MyQuickTemplate:execute() I've tried "echo( wfMsg($linksPage) );", "echo( sandboxParse(wfMsg($linksPage)) );" [06:52:49] and the same with wfMsgForContent() [06:53:25] (I also tried $wgOut->addWikiText("hello world") but that did nothing at all. [06:59:47] My embedded page renders with etc still unparsed, or with "UNIQ2c757f731b8665c7-item" [07:03:49] 03david * r26246 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtModel.php: Fixed duplicate-child bug caused by a row being selected both directly and as a child of another thread. [07:08:05] What kind of caches might need to be purged for special pages when something changes? [07:10:15] if it's a QueryPage, then the querycache [07:10:18] otherwise nothing [07:10:50] Thanks, Tim. [07:11:20] SpecialWatchlist is not a QueryPage, right? [07:11:51] no [07:12:15] there's a cache feature in Special:Watchlist as an emergency optimisation measure, but it's not normally enabled [07:12:24] usually it goes straight to the DB [07:12:24] k. [07:12:44] On one of our test sites, changes to special:watchlist aren't showing up immediately. I'm trying to track that down. [07:12:52] (I added a hook to it) [07:23:02] hello folks [07:23:11] I can watch latest changes via rss, [07:23:33] but I think, watching las changes via mailing list would be better, is there any script for that? [07:23:59] something like svn mailling list :) they work on post-commit script and mail the diffs to specific mail adress (mailing list) [07:24:08] Can somebody please help me embed a page from within a skin? [07:24:13] Eren: It should be trivial to whip up an rss-to-email script, if you can't find one. [07:24:47] davidmccabe: hm [07:25:43] davidmccabe: I think, I can write one on my own if there isn't :) [07:40:25] How might I ask MySQL to return only unique rows from a query? [07:40:40] That is, to remove any duplicate rows from the result. [07:43:11] SELECT DISTINCT [07:57:01] davidmccabe: could it be an HTTP cache? [08:18:04] thanks again tim. [08:18:19] Werdna: not on the browser side... [08:18:38] squid or something? [08:19:26] 03david * r26247 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtModel.php: fixed another similar bug [08:19:28] Squid purging is controlled by the MW code, though, right? [08:20:00] indeed... Squid SHOULDN't cache the watchlist [08:21:25] davidmccabe: you have to tell mediawiki that you are suing squid, though [08:22:00] "1054: Unknown column 'img_sha1' in 'field list' (localhost)" < is there a new column in a table that the updater forgot about? [08:23:22] zhenlin: there's a new column, but as far as I see on my wiki, the updater adds it fine. [08:23:27] ah... I see the problem, it's accessing the table for the common images wiki which I haven't updated yet. [08:23:38] that would be a problem, yea [08:24:54] OK, now that's done. hmm. [08:25:35] *Werdna slaps Duesentrieb for using the word 'yea' [08:26:18] Werdna: yea yea yea! [08:26:22] Which hook do I need to implement to fix this? http://58.96.34.198/transitcamp/goldcoast/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:TransitCampExtLinks [08:26:48] (problems embedding a page from a skin) [08:26:58] *Werdna frappe Duesentrieb avec une grande truite [08:27:07] Werdna: fried? [08:27:31] non [08:27:55] une grande truite CRU. [08:27:57] nuck: if you want to embed stuff in a skin, use system messages. [08:28:26] Werdna: fun :) i actually understand you - until now i thought i don't know any french :P [08:28:36] Duesentrieb: I am (I thought I was, anyway) [08:28:50] nuck: for system messages (i.e. pages in the MediaWiki namespace, you have a variety of functions to include them in different modes) [08:28:57] use the right one. [08:29:20] there's like 10 varianets of wfMsgXXX - one of them ought to be the right one [08:30:23] CHOOSE WISELY [08:30:31] hehe [08:31:39] nuck: you probably want one that passes raw html through, without any processing. if you want content or user language, i don't know... [08:33:11] Duesentrieb: wfMsgWikiHtml() - thanks for the pointer! [08:35:02] Duesentrieb: excellent - even the [edit] links are working properly now. I thought I was going to have to do some search & replace before outputing the html [08:35:07] nuck: hm... i think WikiHtml expects wiki text on the massage page, and outputs html. but i'm not sure, the naming is often confusing [08:35:17] well, if it works, great :) [08:36:46] nuck: well, to me it still looks broken... but that might be cache related [08:37:25] &amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;a <-- looks like it's escaped... several times. [08:39:59] ooh. new youtube widget. [08:40:25] yet another one? [08:41:56] this one is actually not ugly. [08:47:43] I wrote a plugin for MediaWiki, but I have to Edit/Save in order for the plugin to update the data it generates. Any way around this? [08:51:29] Skaag: There is no clean and safe way to programmatically save articles. [08:51:39] Skaag: disable the parser cache for the page where your extension is used (i assume it's a tag hook or parser function) [08:51:48] it's a tag hook [08:52:00] I can disable parser cache for specific pages? [08:52:38] $parser->disableCache(); [08:53:05] in the hook function. on the parser object that is passed to it vas the third parameter [08:53:59] cool! [09:09:37] ugga [09:14:01] Nikerabbit: uga uga [09:14:42] hi timichal [09:45:16] if i run again the installer [09:45:20] it upgrade only the mysql and dont overwrite with black table the old one? [10:14:30] 03(NEW) Correct syntax in robots.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11508 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (ais523) [10:15:12] 03(mod) Correct syntax in robots.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11508 (10N/A) [10:17:00] 03(mod) Correct syntax in robots.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11508 (10N/A) [10:18:36] 03(mod) Correct syntax in robots.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11508 (10N/A) [10:27:48] I need a better captcha! Wiki full of spam! I'd like a security question, like the Security Question MOD for phpBB, where I can set my very own question, such as "How many light minutes to the sun?" or "The name of Venezuelas' president?" [10:29:05] the questions are meant to be easier for humans than for bots [10:30:18] TimStarling, the standard captcha lets the bots through. [10:30:31] which standard captcha? [10:30:43] TimStarling, since I implemented the security question on my forum, I didn't get a single bot registrar. [10:30:49] TimStarling, the one in MediaWiki. [10:31:04] the math one or the fuzzy word one? [10:32:07] TimStarling, doesn't really matter, since they're standard security, the bots will find a way through them. I want a security question. Is there such a mod? [10:32:22] not that I know of [10:32:51] but I'm interested to know if the FancyCaptcha is being routinely cracked now [10:32:59] Why can't one permanently delete user names from mediawiki? [10:33:07] we know that the MathCaptcha has been routinely cracked by spammers for a while [10:33:55] TimStarling, I think regular captchas are bad anyway. They're too hard for the humans. I just hate it when I have to spend some five minutes cracking a captcha to register somewhere. [10:33:59] what's your wiki URL? [10:43:02] towelday.kojv.net? [10:53:35] Is there any support for calendaring in the mediawiki? [10:54:59] http://www.google.com/search?q=calendar+mediawiki [10:58:01] Hello. I am trying to programmatically add a section to an article. I have tried: $notices = $article->replaceSection('new', $notice_text, $notice_title); $article->doEdit($notices, 'add notice'); But the 'doEdit' part doesn't work. How can I do this? [10:58:28] Oh: I am using MW 1.7.4 [10:59:00] don't. use 1.11 :) [11:00:06] Jack: I am stuck with 1.7.4 for now [11:00:32] hmmh...how come? if you have 1.7.x, you have PHP 5... [11:00:59] what doesn't work about it? [11:02:35] Tim: not sure, The 'replaceSection' bit does what I want AFAIK, but if I include the 'doEdit' line I get sent back to the main page. I don't know if doEdit is the function to use... [11:04:16] doEdit should work, if it exists [11:04:53] Tim: it does, I found it in includes/Article.php on my server! [11:05:46] 03(NEW) Setup new groups in no.wikipedia and access to Special: Userrights - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11509 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (stigmj) [11:06:04] so I think you should look into what is wrong with it in more detail [11:06:38] hello all, is there a way for me to upload a font to mediawiki? [11:08:21] Tim: Thanks, now I know this is the correct function to use. Do you know what can make MW redirect me to the main page? [11:09:05] no [11:09:47] Wiredtape: yes, just use Special:Upload [11:11:03] So far I have been using $wgOut->addHTML to get debug info, but as this page get automatically redirected, I can't get any info this way :( [11:11:50] use $wgDebugRedirects [11:11:56] Timstarling, and when I want to use the font in css on a page? how would I link to it? [11:13:11] TimStarling, yep, you got that just from googling kojv wiki? :-p [11:13:13] well, that's impossible [11:13:41] but you can certainly upload the font [11:13:52] I was wondering why you'd want to do that... [11:13:56] :) hehe, thanks [11:14:04] Tim: thanks, I'll try this. [11:14:06] TimStarling, as you guessed the URL is www.towelday.kojv.net/wiki but where you're going? [11:14:30] KOJV: I'm not seeing a captcha on the create account page [11:14:37] do you have it enabled for account creation? [11:15:01] 03werdna * r26248 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/INSTALL: 1.9 or smaller -> or lower [11:15:02] Is that a new feature in 1.11? the captcha? how do you enable it? [11:15:22] TimStarling, okay it's oughta show right away, not on the next step, which means I don't have a captcha at all? [11:15:54] Wiredtape: ConfirmEdit extension [11:16:05] TimStarling, how do I enable it then? [11:16:16] KOJV: ConfirmEdit extension [11:16:38] also note that per default, it does not trigger for every edit, but only if an anon tried to add an external link [11:16:51] oooh , and I thought you implemented it into the system... [11:17:03] not sure if the captcha is enabled per default for account creation though. might be [11:17:21] Wiredtape: modularity is good. [11:17:44] the extension is official, used by wikimedia/wikipedia, and maintained by brion [11:18:00] Talking of that, can we have a 'votes for extensions to mainline' ? [11:18:09] Thanks Duesentrieb. [11:18:14] or 'votes for extensions to package with the source'? [11:18:34] Another question I have. Why can't I delete user accounts? I can only block them. [11:18:38] (they would not have to be enabled by default, but they would be in the extensions/ dir [11:18:40] faceface: well, since currently no extensions are packaged, the first decision would be if it would be a good idea to do so. [11:18:55] Duesentrieb, ok, I vote yes ;-) [11:19:01] i'm inclined to say now, but to offer a bundle of the "basic" extensions right along the release bundle [11:19:11] i'd include confirmedit, spamblacklist, and parserfunctions. [11:19:14] Duesentrieb, I agree.. Except I think certain things should come with the package, and then you have the ability to turn them off\on in localsettings.php (the same way apache or php mods work) [11:19:33] I am looking for a list of all system messages used when rendering an Image: page [11:19:45] Wiredtape: the ability to turn them on and off exists (you do or don't include them) [11:19:55] Duesentrieb, Wiredtape sounds good to me [11:20:04] however, localsettings.php should not be .php [11:20:22] Wiredtape: and i don't see why they should come with the package. i just think they should be more readily available. [11:20:24] it should be an ini... but that is a whole other story I guess. [11:20:33] Duesentrieb, yup. [11:20:34] while we are at it, we could add an xml dump of the help namespace too [11:20:49] Duesentrieb, you mean docs? [11:20:52] actual docs? [11:20:54] that would be amazing [11:20:59] faceface: ini file, or perhaps better, a datanbase table. the trouble is with complex settings, such as wgGroupPermissions [11:21:10] they are not easy to represent nicely in such a context. [11:21:14] Duesentrieb, should I get ConfirmEdit.php or ConfirmEdit.i18n.php ? [11:21:17] yeah... that is true... php offers a lot of flexibility. [11:21:23] Duesentrieb, well why not have them come with the package? [11:21:24] KOJV: the entire directory [11:21:26] Or maybe FancyCaptcha.php? [11:21:34] Duesentrieb, err... isn't there like a package I can download? [11:21:39] Wiredtape: because they are extensions... [11:22:02] KOJV: not oficially. unofficially, go to http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/repository/extensions/ [11:22:13] some extensions /should/ come with MediaWiki...like ParserFunctions [11:22:22] *shrug* [11:22:25] Duesentrieb, okay but I download all seven files and put them in a folder... alright. [11:22:27] I am looking for a list of all system messages used when rendering an Image: page [11:22:50] faceface: grep wfMsg includes/ImagePage.php [11:23:43] Duesentrieb, I agree with Jack_Phoenix... though they are extensions. they are needed additions to mediawiki... [11:23:49] Duesentrieb, I can't download MathCaptcha, it just shows a text file. [11:24:13] ty [11:24:21] KOJV: download the bundle [11:24:22] if ParserFunctions would be packed with the official release, that'd save a lot of trouble - from users and devs ;-) [11:25:02] Duesentrieb, no such link. [11:25:14] Duesentrieb, from daniel's account? [11:25:22] Wiredtape, Jack_Phoenix: well, basically, I don't like monolithig apps and feature creeep, so i like to keep things separate. but if it's just a question of bundeling, i'd be fine with having a "standard" and a "slim" bundle. [11:25:50] KOJV: yes. it's called ConfirmEdit... [11:26:07] Duesentrieb, but why isn't such a bundle presented at the official site? [11:26:48] KOJV: because there are no extension bundles on the official site. because official bundles would mean serious review of the extensions. which is only done for extensions used on wikimedia sites. [11:26:55] Duesentrieb, I am fine with that as well.. the only question i have in that case, is one of upgrading.. would that mean keeping up to date with extension upgrades as well? [11:27:00] KOJV: basically, the reason is: brion has enough to do already. [11:27:18] Wiredtape: yes, sure, you should update extensions as well. [11:27:36] Wiredtape: this is always true, no matter if it's bundeled or not [11:27:40] Duesentrieb, this one guy has to review every extension to be put in a bundle for download? Sounds like a strange way of looking at it. [11:27:57] I don't think it is the right way to look at it [11:28:00] Duesentrieb, so MW 1.11"standard" would get smaller extension upgrade revisions? [11:28:00] KOJV: brion is the release manager. he manages releases. [11:28:06] I think the real reason is that nobody cares [11:28:11] TimStarling: well, yea, brion trusts you and a few others to do it :) [11:28:12] hehe [11:28:20] if there was somebody who cared, it would have had a good chance of getting done [11:28:54] TimStarling: you mean reviews, or release bundles for extensions? [11:29:01] Duesentrieb, is he paid to do it? [11:29:06] extension releases generally [11:29:18] KOJV: yes. there are two paied devs. [11:29:32] we're not paid to support non-wikimedia users though [11:29:38] indeed [11:29:42] we do that out of the kindness of our hearts [11:29:44] Duesentrieb, if he's paied, I think he should go ahead and create an official bundle for such a useful extension. [11:30:07] you're not a client [11:30:13] KOJV: no, because as tim said: he's paid by the wikimedia foundation, to provide software for the wikimedia foundation.- [11:30:21] 03nikerabbit * r26249 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Translate.php TranslateEditAddons.php TranslatePage.php): [11:30:21] * Fixed a bug in edit mode [11:30:21] * Support for localised language names [11:30:21] * Cleanups [11:30:24] Anyhow, now that I implemented ConfirmEdit, my wiki only produces blank pages. [11:30:32] KOJV: stuff is release under a free license, but but supporting wikipedia & co is the priority [11:30:36] hmm, why do I get this error "1142: CREATE command denied to user 'andrew_wiki'@'localhost' for table 'smw_relations' (localhost)" when I have this grant GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'andrew_wiki'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD '****'? [11:30:47] KOJV: you are doing something wrong, then (tm) [11:30:52] Is there a simple way of stripping font properties of a link in a div? or do i have to go through common.css and set up an id or a class... [11:31:14] Duesentrieb, or perhaps it's a Windows thing that the developer of the extension didn't bother to check. :-p [11:31:24] Duesentrieb, that's pretty common with PHP applications in general, I've found. [11:31:59] KOJV: well, the extension shouldn't totally kill your wiki, no matter what. chances are, there's a file permission problem, or wrong path, or garbled files. [11:32:11] Duesentrieb, garbled files? [11:32:33] KOJV: broken upload to the server. it happens. especially with ftp in ascii mode. [11:33:06] or copy and paste [11:33:12] ...in notepad :) [11:33:17] yeah [11:33:27] it's also possible (though unlikely) the bundle contains a broken version of the extension [11:33:29] Duesentrieb, I don't use an FTP, I upload the files via Windows file sharing. The files are verified to be identical with the ones on my hard drive. [11:33:31] it's just a snapshot [11:33:43] require_once( "$IP/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.php" ); [11:33:48] Should this be placed somewhere in particular? [11:33:56] Or just anywhere in the settings file? [11:33:56] KOJV: then the way you include them in you LocalSettings.php is wrong. or the file permissins are. [11:33:59] 03(NEW) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11510 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (bertrand.grondin) [11:34:11] KOJV: near the end [11:34:33] 03nikerabbit * r26250 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialMagic.php: * Forgot to add this file (yes I know it's ugly) [11:34:34] KOJV: or rather, it doesn't really matter, as long as it's not too far up near the top :) [11:34:53] Duesentrieb, it does matter somewhat cause now I moved it from the top to the bottom and the wiki works again. :) [11:34:54] KOJV: make sure the path is correct, and the files and directories are readable [11:35:08] KOJV: never put your own settings at the very top. [11:35:19] Duesentrieb, okay. [11:35:37] So, is the math captcha known to be easily cracked by spambots? Should I bother with the FancyCaptcha? [11:36:27] KOJV: don't bother untill you notice bots breaking it. [11:36:37] Duesentrieb, good point. [11:36:41] KOJV: the fancy thing needs python, i think [11:36:44] we've seen bots breaking the math captcha [11:36:57] probably, on wikipedia [11:37:01] there's enough pressure there [11:37:04] TimStarling, I don't get that many bot posts already though I had no captcha at all. [11:37:27] Thank you very much for your help, Duesentrieb, TimStarling. It's widely appreciated that you use your personal time for helping us out in here. [11:37:43] \o/ [11:37:53] *Duesentrieb goes back to studying p2p network protocols [11:37:56] *KOJV can't compute that smiley. [11:38:23] KOJV: a chear. head + two arms [11:39:00] Duesentrieb, you mean a cheer? [11:39:15] indeed. me speeling sucketh [11:39:19] even in german [11:39:20] Okay. [11:39:24] Thanks anyhow. [11:40:20] have fun [11:42:36] Duesentrieb, TimStarling etc. wrt who cares and who gets payed - that is why I suggest a voting system. Popular extensions would get lots of votes / support / reviews etc, and could be included without much fear [11:43:09] faceface: get someone to do it (tm) [11:43:20] having one person in control of what gets released can be very useful, but a community project should open up to community support in effective ways. [11:43:55] Duesentrieb, They vote on Wikipedia all the time... we just need to get a burocrat in to MediaWiki.org and sort it ;-) [11:44:03] faceface: anyone can contribute, anyone can review, anyone can make bundles. [11:44:08] sure [11:44:15] faceface: releases made by the foundation is a separate issue [11:44:24] TimStarling: btw, i had a chat with Kingsley Idehen of OpenLink / dbpedia about live updates. he's very keen on that... and ready & able to pay for them :) [11:44:37] I just figure once we have voting in place, the issue of bundelling will be a lot clearer [11:45:05] the issue of bundelling / reviewing will be a lot clearer [11:45:26] faceface: you would have to make a transparent review system, so people downloading a bundle can see who reviewd what, etc. it would be nice to have, but not trivial [11:45:38] anyway, i need to stop procrasinating on irc. [11:45:55] no... I think that so long as an extension had 'community support' that would be enough. [11:46:07] i don't. [11:46:10] it is not in the interest of the community to support buggy or insecure extensions. [11:46:18] but they do. [11:46:22] where? [11:46:25] lots of crud is popular [11:46:37] and attracts lots of development no? [11:46:38] hmm [11:47:07] faceface: not necessarily. also, it often attracks lots of crappy developers [11:47:13] I am sure MW was crud at one point - but very popular crud that was soon improved [11:47:25] sure. [11:47:29] is there anything wrong with something like this: #mlinks.a:visited { text-color: white; } in common.css? [11:47:30] perhaps that is true, and yeah, then you need effective review [11:48:20] Wiredtape: if mlinks is an id, and directly applied to the one (!) link, then it's correct. [11:48:44] orr, no, not even that [11:48:51] the a doesn't belong at the end [11:49:10] hmm... Can i do something like this: [[link|name of link| style="text-color: white; ]] ? [11:49:20] no. [11:49:35] but you can do .mlinks a { whatever } [11:49:54] and the [[...]] [11:50:00] hmm.. but it would affect any a? both a.new and a:visited? [11:50:16] you can add :whatever to the a [11:50:33] Duesentrieb: "faceface: grep wfMsg includes/ImagePage.php" - can you expand on that... I get lots of lines [11:50:33] k thanks, I appreciate it [11:50:41] .mlinks a sais "an achnor tag in some block with class mlinks" [11:50:53] faceface: then it sues lots of messages [11:50:57] 52 to be exact [11:51:04] but are they all system messages? [11:51:08] 03(mod) Correct syntax in robots.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11508 (10webboy) [11:51:08] yes. [11:51:13] wfMsg is for system messages [11:51:26] what else should they be? [11:51:27] example line "$nbytes = wfMsgExt( 'nbytes', array( 'parsemag', 'escape' )," [11:51:52] should I grep "wfMsg(" [11:52:01] no. you want all variants [11:52:08] OK [11:54:17] grep -e wfMsg[a-zA-Z]\( :o [11:54:21] my list is shareddescriptionfollows, metadata-expand, metadata-collapse, metadata, imghistory, imagelinks, metadata-help, exif-$tag, metadata-fields, file-info-size, show-big-image, show-big-image-thumb, file-nohires, imgmultipagenext, imgmultigotopre, ... still going... are these really all system messages? [11:54:36] faceface: YES [11:55:22] faceface: in case of exif-$tag, it's even a pattern for system messages - which one is used depends on $tag [11:56:13] hmmm... [11:56:29] uggah, what are you doing? [11:56:46] I am looking for a list of all the *prominent* system messages used on an 'Image:' page ;-) [11:57:33] like... what controls the main visible sections of an image page? and are the system messages described in the manual anywhere grouped by namespace? [11:57:52] what for do you need it? [11:58:52] Nikerabbit, on our site we want images to behave as links, so we are using #REDIRECT to allow users to 'clickthrough' images to the underlying 'Project:page' for the image. [11:58:53] Please tell me images can be links? [11:59:09] I don't want to use the ImageLinks extension because it looks messy [11:59:17] Wiredtape: not easily [11:59:45] so when someone clicks an image, our #REDIRECT takes them through to the page that we want, and they can easily click back via the 'redirected from page' link [12:00:02] Duesentrieb, is there a reason this wasn't put into the program? (I'm just not understanding why it is supposed to be difficult?) [12:00:10] so why do you need a list of system messages then? [12:00:19] however, IMHO the image: page is a bit messy... we would like to clean it up to make it clearer for the average dumb user what is going on. [12:00:37] Wiredtape: because images are editable elements, with copyright info and version history. that needs to be accessible [12:00:41] I would like to add the text 'This is an image page that has a special function blah blah blah' for example [12:00:48] hmm' [12:01:02] so you want to find a message where you can place that? [12:01:08] Wiredtape, it makes sense when you think about it. [12:01:22] Nikerabbit, sure, and 'tidy up' other messages. [12:01:30] faceface: find a text near the place where you want your text. search for the existing text on Special:Allmessages [12:01:38] faceface: maybe http://nike.users.idler.fi/betawiki/Image:Action_delete_action_complete_01.jpg?uselang=debug can give you a start [12:01:45] faceface, yeah it does... ok.. thanks Duesentrieb... [12:01:47] Overall I would like to simplify the look of the 'Image:' page, and add some friendly description. [12:02:10] Nikerabbit: uselang=debug? man, i have been wanting that for ages. is that special on your site? [12:02:11] Duesentrieb, check [12:02:16] Duesentrieb: yes [12:02:33] neat though [12:02:44] it's not very approriate for svn [12:02:55] as an extension, maybe [12:03:06] faceface: unfortunately the image page is quite hard coded [12:03:15] Duesentrieb: no suitable hooks [12:03:20] make one :) [12:03:30] Nikerabbit, I see [12:03:45] Duesentrieb: ugh [12:04:04] thanks for the infos guys. [12:04:23] Duesentrieb: it's here http://nike.users.idler.fi/dev/patches/ for anyone who wants it [12:04:31] Wiredtape, the #REDIRECT on the image page seems to be working quite nicely. [12:04:36] Nikerabbit: cool [12:05:05] faceface, hmm, ill try.. but btw imagelinks ext doesn't look awful... [12:05:56] Wiredtape, I am not a PHP expert, but I didn't like the parser function implementation. [12:06:16] I wanted something 'a bit more native' [12:06:32] Duesentrieb: I happen to do a lots of tweaks of which many never get into svn [12:08:21] 03nikerabbit * r26251 10/trunk/extensions/ContactPage/ContactPage.i18n.hsb.php: * Encoding [12:08:40] hey [12:08:44] hi [12:08:56] faceface, #REDIRECT does work quite nicely... and it's quite simple to make the redirect text disappear for these specific pages.. [12:09:08] I've got a problem with my wiki [12:09:44] Wiredtape, "make the redirect text disappear for these specific pages.." ? [12:09:47] tell about it [12:10:02] I did what the faq said for Short URLs with subdomain, but now, when an article has a slash, it gives me a 404 error [12:10:12] faceface, yeah just a bit of css in common.css and you can make the "redirected from ..." disappear [12:10:24] Have there been any thoughts into making namespace specific css? [12:10:36] Wiredtape: there isn't? [12:10:44] Wiredtape, OK, but that is not a priority for me. [12:10:49] Nikerabbit, I dunno? [12:11:03] .ns-6 { something } [12:11:19] Wiredtape: that's actually a bad idea. because that way, you make the description page *completely* unreachable for users [12:11:49] Nikerabbit, thank you [12:12:31] Duesentrieb, using it for specific images that you know are PD for instance... wouldn't be horrible... [12:12:33] What should I do? [12:13:12] Wiredtape: that would at least be legal. but at some point you'll for instance wonder who the idiot whas who overwrote that image. [12:13:17] trynksssj2, read the instructions again and double check what you did. [12:13:22] Wiredtape: to find that you, you need the description page [12:13:27] I did eveything right [12:13:34] you can only get to it by mansually entering the right url, parameters and all [12:14:13] Duesentrieb, well, legally I can think of a way around that.. but techinically you are right.. [12:15:11] I am talking about my main page icons in this case.. and they link to "main page portals" and therefore I would rather not have the "redirected from" [12:19:44] So, can someone help me? [12:19:47] Duesentrieb, nm, I reread what you wrote... [12:20:00] trynksssj2, what do you need? [12:20:12] To solve this error [12:20:26] I did exactly what the faw told [12:20:32] faq* [12:20:43] wow... including a redirect in a template is weird! [12:20:46] trynksssj2: you may have luck here, but it's really an apache/mod_rewrite problem. so you could try #apache too [12:21:02] ok [12:21:16] A {{RedirectTemplate|B}}, page A 'becomes' page B! [12:23:16] 03(mod) Enable Special: Import and configure sources for Polish Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10374 (10derbeth) [12:37:09] Hi GUYS and GALS ;) [12:38:52] anyone know how to customize CologneBlue skin [12:38:53] ? [12:39:37] I want to remove Browse,Edit,this page section... [12:39:45] where is it done ? [12:39:55] any idea [12:39:56] ? [12:47:10] 03(NEW) Delete tokipona wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11511 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (jhsoby) [12:51:05] 03(NEW) Please unlock Wolof Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11512 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (jorohr) [12:58:46] 03siebrand * r26252 10/trunk/extensions/ (40 files in 37 dirs): [12:58:46] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [12:58:46] * Fixes and additions to 38 extensions for am, ar, hu, nds, nl. [12:59:35] Maj, those are all in the skins php and css files [13:00:22] hi Wiredtape thanks for your response [13:00:30] let me check it [13:00:44] 03(mod) Whitespace should be fixed automatically - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11498 +comment (10lfw) [13:00:46] which css file ? [13:00:52] main.css ? [13:01:38] need to check CologneBlue.php too ? [13:01:55] yup [13:02:17] amnd css file ? which one ? common/cologneblue.css ? [13:02:20] or main.css [13:02:21] ? [13:02:28] to get rid of the actions (such as edit, browse) you need to edit the php file.. this will probably affect the layout.. and so edit main.css [13:02:43] you could also get rid of the actions by an extension [13:02:45] check the faq [13:02:51] Okay thanks :) [13:03:01] wow there is extensions ? [13:03:08] cool then I will use it [13:03:17] can you give me the URL / [13:03:18] ? [13:03:23] please... [13:04:35] well, you need to make the extension.. give me a sec ill look for the url [13:04:59] cool I appreciate your help :) [13:05:53] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_can_I_disable.2Fenable_tabs_at_top_.28monobook.29.2C_add_history_navigation_to_article_pages.2C_or_otherwise_move_around_functional_components_from_page_to_page.3F [13:05:56] you're welcome [13:06:03] that's a long link :) [13:06:16] ah Okay thanks :) [13:06:24] Wiredtape: only becaueof the anchor name [13:06:47] yeah i know [13:25:28] 03(FIXED) LanguageConverter fails with HTML entities, &#nnnn; and &#xnnn; in external links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5233 +comment (10webboy) [13:39:54] At Manual:Using_custom_namespaces, I see "... it is a good idea to run the maintenance/updateArticleCount.php script to update the internal statistics cache." How do I do that? [13:40:26] from the command line [13:40:30] SPQRobin, you need shell access to the install [13:40:38] open up your shell client (PuTTY most likely), log in to your host, cd maintenance and then php updateArticleCount.php [13:40:41] cd $IP; php maintenance/updateArticleCount.php [13:43:16] www.barabella-bierbauch.de.vu [13:43:54] hmm, I'm a noob in this kind of things, so I don't understand this quite :-( [13:44:12] SPQRobin, you can't do it 'over the web' [13:45:10] how do you mean? My wiki is offline, not on the web [13:46:13] SPQRobin: What operating system do you use? [13:46:34] SPQRobin, you can't do it 'via the web interface'. [13:46:44] I know [13:47:22] SPQRobin: Tell us your Operating System and we can help you. [13:48:13] WIndows [13:48:21] ok [13:49:14] Start -> Run -> Type cmd -> Ok -> Type 'cd C:\path\to\wiki\directory' (without quotes) -> cd maintenance -> php updateArticleCount.php [13:49:24] what happens? [13:50:35] wait, I'm trying... [13:53:39] doesn't work, he doesn't recognize php [13:53:49] what is the error message? [13:55:30] It's in Dutch, translated something like: "php is not recognized as an internal or external program" [13:55:48] ok [13:55:59] SPQRobin: What is your path to php.exe ? [13:57:05] searching... [13:57:43] C:\wamp\php\php.exe [13:58:25] Hello [13:58:37] c:\>cd C:\wamp\php\ [13:58:38] c:\>php.exe updateArticleCount.php [13:58:44] what happens ? [13:59:07] I wanted to ask if a bureaucrat can access configuration files of the wiki engine? I don't know on which server the engine runs and if I have a login to that but I would like to activate file upload functionality. I'm sysop, too. [13:59:30] ignore it [13:59:39] that bullshit ;) [13:59:54] go to 'cd C:\path\to\wiki\directory' (without quotes) -> cd maintenance -> [14:00:09] wait a moment... [14:00:28] In windows right click mycomputer [14:00:34] properties [14:01:11] advanced [14:01:25] click envoornment variables [14:01:27] Hi, how can I make mediawiki to use wildcard search? (sorry, didn't find any hint to do that). [14:01:47] Sc2: There should be an extension for that, if I recall right [14:01:54] under system variable [14:02:05] select path [14:02:09] then edit [14:02:24] go to end of the line [14:02:34] Sc2: A simple search on Mediawiki.org would have pointed you to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wildcard_search [14:02:38] put a semicolon and enter [14:02:54] C:\wamp\php\; [14:03:06] I mean ;C:\wamp\php\ [14:03:08] wait, every time I go to here back, that screen dissappears [14:03:23] ? [14:03:42] Sc2: not working according to some, but working with modifications according to another one - check the talk [14:04:03] ie. path should somewhat looklike C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\Binn\;C:\Program Files\SecureCRT\;C:\Perl\bin;C:\wamp\php\ [14:04:04] SPQRobin: Alt+Tab until you reach it. [14:04:21] see the ending part ;C:\wamp\php\ [14:04:39] now your php command willl work from commandline [14:04:41] ;) [14:04:58] and follow MinuteElectron instructions :-P [14:05:02] @Snowolf: Hm, I remember, i tried this extension 2 month before and didn't manage to get it run. I got some error message (but I don't remember). What kind of extension does the original Wikipedia use?!? [14:06:42] ok, another question: I remember that I've seen some external editors which support the mediawiki syntax, but I don't find them again... I don't mean webbased editor like fckeditor or wikEd... Do you know names or key words for them? [14:08:24] hey guys [14:08:40] anybody looking for websupport ? [14:08:58] we are here to help anyone :) [14:12:07] Maj: I tried back to enter "php.exe updateArticleCount.php", and now it says "C:\wamp\php\php.exe is no valid Win32-application" [14:12:58] ah then your php is not compatible with the OS installed [14:13:08] what OS you have I mean xp.2003 ? [14:13:11] which one [14:13:20] Windows XP [14:13:43] is it your a server or your localpc ? [14:14:05] how do you mean? [14:14:28] I mean is it a webserver or just trying to install in ur PC ? [14:15:20] what trying to install? [14:15:44] if you mean MediaWiki etc, I have my wiki already [14:16:00] ah then what PHP ur are runnig ? [14:16:21] php.exe -v [14:16:36] type in the command php.exe -v [14:16:37] from WAMP, and that was 5.2.3 [14:16:59] ah .. [14:17:27] php.exe -v gives me the same message [14:18:42] were you able to access the wiki in browser ? [14:19:03] yes [14:19:11] okay [14:19:22] create a file called phpinfo.php [14:19:32] in that write a code [14:19:45] [14:19:49] in which directory? [14:19:58] wamp\php ? [14:20:01] and try accessing it through browser [14:20:11] in ur wiki installation directory [14:21:51] I can't access it trough my browser [14:22:12] you can access wiki through browser right ? [14:22:21] yes [14:22:22] how do you access ? [14:22:32] paste the URL address here [14:22:55] http://localhost/"name"/index.php/Main Page [14:23:20] okay it is working right [14:23:26] yes [14:23:45] then go to web root where wiki installations files are kept [14:23:55] create a file called phpinfo.php [14:23:59] in that write a code [14:24:02] [14:24:22] and try accessing it like http://localhost/"name"/phpinfo.php [14:24:29] and see what happenes ;) [14:25:22] This is the same what I have done already, right? [14:25:30] (above) [14:25:44] what it shows while accessing thath page ? [14:25:56] nothing, empty [14:26:23] that means your php is not working file [14:26:33] ok modify your code like this [14:26:55] phpinfo(); [14:26:55] ?> [14:27:04] see what happens [14:27:24] hmm, detail: I can't access any file in my browser [14:28:34] hmm then probably the php installations is not working ;) [14:29:00] wait, http://localhost/"name"/phpinfo.php is working [14:29:05] :-) [14:29:12] what is it showing ? [14:29:54] a table with euh, information of my php off course [14:31:16] wha tis the Server Root value in that [14:31:17] ? [14:31:38] Server Root c:\Inetput ? or something like that ? [14:32:13] no, C:/wamp/Apache2 [14:32:24] ah [14:32:35] then from the command line go to [14:32:39] cd C:/wamp/Apache2 [14:32:57] then see what all files are there [14:32:58] ? [14:33:54] files? I click on enter and he goes to another line [14:42:39] 04(REOPENED) Sysops can put raw HTML in some MediaWiki:-messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11496 +comment (10webboy) [14:48:19] 03(NEW) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (bertrand.grondin) [14:51:23] 14(DUP) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11510 +comment (10bertrand.grondin) [14:51:27] 03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #44, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languags (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10513 +comment (10bertrand.grondin) [14:52:36] 04(REOPENED) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #44, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languags (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10513 +comment (10bertrand.grondin) [14:55:40] 14(DUP) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #44, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languags (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10513 +comment (10bertrand.grondin) [14:55:43] 03(mod) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513 +comment (10bertrand.grondin) [14:56:12] 03(mod) Semantic Forms should use SMWStore instead of direct DB access - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11506 (10yaron57) [14:56:29] 03(mod) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11510 (10bertrand.grondin) [14:56:34] 03(mod) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513 (10bertrand.grondin) [14:57:01] 03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (zh-yue) #44, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languags (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese (PRC) and Chinese (Taiwan) localisation (zh-cn/zh-tw) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10513 +comment (10bertrand.grondin) [14:58:18] 03(mod) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513 (10bertrand.grondin) [15:02:34] sup peoples [15:15:38] Is there a way for me to make a css change in common.css specifically for IE7? [15:22:23] Wiredtape, no [15:22:48] but there're some strange ways which you could use to have a css declaration obeyed only by some browsers [15:27:51] Platonides, are you talking about using quirks mode and normal mode, or IE's own declaration's? [15:59:13] 03(NEW) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11514 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Oversight; (bertrand.grondin) [16:03:23] I'm want to develop a web application that uses MediaWiki as wiki engine. So, I think best way to deal with MediaWiki is using its API; but it seems it's under heavy development [16:04:49] for example, documentation edit section says: "The API edit functionality has not yet been implemented, but work is being done in two branches", but if youe read each edit funcionality (create user, edit page...) it's said they are done [16:05:23] API is under development, true [16:05:26] So, I'm not sure if I can make use of this API or it's unfinished yet [16:09:22] Jack_Phoenix: Do you know if it's usable? [16:10:09] no idea, my personal opinion is that it's something useless that I won't be needing...but try asking RoanKattouw or yurikny, they're the API devs (not here now, though) [16:10:35] ok, thank you very much [16:10:46] np [16:15:04] 03(mod) Anonymous users' signatures should link to contribs page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11315 (10matthew.britton) [16:16:27] Anyone wanna tell me what they think of my design for my front page? http://www.wiredtape.com - I have been working on this for hours now :) [16:18:24] there are some blocky graphics and poor alignment [16:18:27] would be nice if fixed [16:19:59] you mean the main page images or something else? [16:20:16] the mp [16:20:20] though the search bar is odd [16:20:27] and there are too many colors imo [16:20:32] VoiceOfAll: it's good, but using Konqueror there are some things out of place [16:20:56] and I can see pixels on round corner, may be better if you use better graphics..... [16:20:57] VoiceOfAll, firefox? [16:20:58] let the body content of pages be more typical white/black [16:21:15] but I think you have worked a lot, it's ok, minor bugs [16:21:37] the green/blue in the main page doesn't mix well [16:22:02] The "show off" colors are only going to be in the main [16:22:05] *main page [16:22:10] the rest is pretty solid [16:22:14] example: [16:22:33] "navigation" and "tool box" are too blocky, and the color should be darkened to match the tab backgrouds prolly [16:22:33] http://www.wiredtape.com/wiki/USCIS_Form_I-131 [16:23:13] a"to match the tab backgrounds" = action tabs? [16:23:23] Sirgado, thank you for the comments :) [16:23:24] no, the yellow/orange bar [16:23:57] hmm, "tan" is better word [16:24:21] you may want to test killing the rounded borders [16:24:34] I tried, didn't look that great.. [16:24:48] Sirgado, Konqueror is giving problems you say? [16:25:22] well the blocky borders look terrible ;) [16:25:31] a little [16:25:41] VoiceOfAll, agreed :) - btw are you on firefox or IE or something else? [16:25:48] it is also not XHTML valid [16:26:09] it should work for both [16:26:23] think that Konqueror and Safari uses almost the same render engine [16:26:31] ok, the "search" bar is OK in IE [16:26:37] the other problems are still there [16:26:41] saerch bar is odd in konqueror [16:26:47] and FF and Opera [16:26:55] buttons are upon search phrase [16:27:02] XHTML not valid? It was valid just a couple of days ago ... :\ ? [16:27:37] Sirgado, ok, Konqueror which version? [16:27:54] 3.5.7 [16:27:57] VoiceOfAll, so search bar is ok in IE, FF and Opera? [16:28:06] no, only IE [16:28:17] I can see opera, ff and for me it looks fine... [16:28:26] I wonder, what versions are those? [16:28:37] Sirgado, I'll get on it, thank you... [16:28:52] using Firefox on linux just search bar is a little bit odd [16:29:01] the toolbox edges onto the grey border of the content too much [16:29:13] and Real Estate is out of blue box [16:29:54] VoiceOfAll, are you sure XHTML didn't validate? I just got a valid on it again.. [16:30:17] VoiceOfAll, toolbox edges onto grey border, in IE, or FF , or Opera? [16:30:25] everything but IE [16:30:31] Argghhh, Too many browser differences to take care of... ! [16:31:02] Result: Failed validation, 15 Errors [16:31:14] VoiceOfAll: try this site: http://v03.browsershots.org/ [16:31:18] line 142 [16:31:28] main site used to be http://browsershots.org/ but now is offline [16:31:31] Line 142, Column 24: an attribute value specification must be an attribute value literal unless SHORTTAG YES is specified. [16:31:32] Line 142, Column 30: NET-enabling start-tag not immediately followed by null end-tag. [16:31:40] and more... [16:31:45] it renders you paga using a lot of browsers [16:32:07] not inmediatly, you have to wait, but I think is very useful [16:32:12] http://validator.w3.org [16:33:32] Well, it seems I have much work left :) Thanks for all the comments.. [16:34:16] np [16:35:18] Wiredtape: keep hammering away [16:35:39] :) [16:35:46] "it's not a matter of luck, it's just a matter of time! ..." [16:35:52] hehe [16:38:26] 03erik * r26253 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtModel.php: support table prefixes [16:43:09] When oh When will they make all these browser adhere to one rendering method! :\ [16:58:32] How do I get the page title (for url purposes) for a specific system message? [16:58:58] SpecialPage::resolveAlias()? [16:59:56] I want SpecialPage::resolveAlias("myMessage") == "MediaWiki:MyMessage" [17:02:56] Anyone know what's up with botnets that don't post spam? I've got one that posts one random word at a time, like "varcomondomv", at the top of various pages. [17:05:13] alxndr: Hmm, I noticed that on one of my wikis earlier. [17:05:23] Yeah, it's bugging the crap out of me. [17:05:58] Some IP address went and posted it on the only page (the wiki still needs populating). [17:06:50] I've gotten between one and five a day, all from different IP addresses [17:18:58] hi wozu isn die kack site da? [17:19:00] hi wozu isn die kack site da? [17:19:00] hi wozu isn die kack site da? [17:19:01] hi wozu isn die kack site da? [17:27:57] Hello [17:27:59] Hi [17:28:03] I need help [17:29:03] Phkrdoso: ask your question and if someone can help they will [17:29:28] I want to know how can i change the logo [17:29:36] top left corner [17:29:38] !logo | Phkrdoso [17:29:38] Phkrdoso : The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by the $wgLogo configuration setting in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply need to change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo image. See for more information. [17:29:59] But in localsettings do not have the var lgoo [17:30:05] add it [17:30:13] in what part og file? [17:30:19] at the end [17:30:22] sure [17:30:27] but before ?> if you have it [17:31:08] can u give me a example of one? [17:31:36] $wgLogo = "/images/newlogo.png"; [17:31:55] only png? [17:31:58] 03(mod) Anonymous users' signatures should link to contribs page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11315 +comment (10matthew.britton) [17:31:59] whatever you want [17:32:06] Phkrdoso any format the browser understands [17:39:11] Platonides, when i put $wgCacheEpoch = max( $wgCacheEpoch, $configdate ); [17:39:11] $wgLogo = "http://www.shiningforcewow.com/imagens/banner.jpg" [17:39:24] Platonides, look Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end in /var/www/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 129 [17:39:36] need a ; at the end of that line [17:39:41] also you spelled images wrong [17:40:05] what is the sidebar called? I always loose it [17:40:35] faceface: div.column-one ? [17:40:37] alxndr, i puted But [17:40:51] alxndr, er... the one that says 'navigation' above it [17:40:51] alxndr, The image do not see [17:41:15] div#p-site ? [17:41:54] Phkrdoso: that image isn't found on the shiningforcewow.com server, maybe you have the URL wrong? [17:42:40] toolbar? [17:42:59] navbar? [17:43:15] div#p-tb is toolbox [17:43:42] ah navigation is div#p-navigation on wp (it was p-site on mw) [17:44:07] MediaWiki:Sidebar - I wonder why searching my site for sidebar gives no results! [17:44:35] i've got a problem [17:44:39] Yes [17:44:40] thank [17:44:46] alxndr, Thanks [17:44:51] no problem [17:45:08] about external program in safe mode or something similar [17:45:17] during creation of a thumb in the gallery [17:45:32] i'm using free.fr [17:45:56] i would appreciate if someone wants to help me [17:46:02] faceface, check in which namespces are you searching [17:46:12] 03aaron * r26254 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php): *Don't show the link for talk pages [17:46:15] nameless`: ask your question and if someone can answer you they will [17:46:20] nameless`, the thumbs are created by an external progam (imagemagick) [17:46:32] in safe mode you may not be allowed to run it [17:47:09] Platonides, when i upload an image, i've got a thumb who show me the pictures before i return to the article [17:47:20] why it works just after the upload of a picture [17:47:22] Platonides, searching all (always) [17:47:25] but none in the fallery [17:47:34] in the two case we just needs to reduce the pictures [17:48:16] nameless`, did you check your cache? [17:48:24] yes a lot of time [17:48:43] nameless`, maybe in the image page it wasn't resized? (your image wasn't bigger than the wanted size) [17:48:43] i can't change the safe mode [17:48:51] Platonides, yes it is [17:49:58] i'm using free.fr a french internet suppplier who allows user to have a web site [17:50:08] but there are some restrictions, in particular safe mode [17:50:22] is there another way to have gallery ? [17:50:26] i really need it [17:55:06] 03aaron * r26255 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php FlaggedRevsPage_body.php): *Ignore unreviewable pages [17:55:41] 03aaron * r26256 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: *Forgot period [17:55:52] nameless`, perhaps you can add imagemagic into a list of allowed apps? [17:56:07] hum... i really don't know how [17:56:13] what is an external program exactly ? [17:56:28] me either... seeing as it is something you have to deal with, I suggest reading up on safe mode. [17:57:43] 03(mod) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11280 (10bertrand.grondin) [17:58:39] 03(mod) New messages translated in French language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11502 (10bertrand.grondin) [17:58:53] can I query 'page hits since xx/xx/xxxx' ? [17:59:07] or are page hits unable to give me a monthly breakdown (for example) [18:02:08] where exactly is imagemagic ? [18:02:41] i don't understand what represent an external program [18:11:29] 03(mod) Fetching revision history fails without error message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11430 (10roan.kattouw) [18:13:26] nameless`: it depends on the server configuration, mediawiki wants to know where the 'convert' command is, it defaults to /usr/bin/convert [18:14:56] alxndr, so, it doesn't use a php file, but a bin file who is on the server ? [18:15:03] yes [18:15:10] it sucks [18:15:30] doesn't exist a php file who made the same operation of imagemagic but just for mediawiki [18:15:37] i means, just a resize [18:16:17] ah, well mediawiki uses GD unless you tell it to use imagemagick; GD is usually part of the PHP environment [18:16:41] 03(mod) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513 (10bertrand.grondin) [18:22:37] but imagemagic is what the kids are using these days. [18:23:21] I was thinking it would be nice to know which pages were 'popular last week' is there any query to do that or am I stuck parsing the apache logs? [18:23:30] 03(mod) Semantic Forms should use SMWStore instead of direct DB access - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11506 (10yaron57) [18:29:00] alxndr, i just verify, GD is supported [18:29:09] alxndr, who can i force mediawiki to use GD N [18:29:11] ?* [18:30:19] it should use GD by default [18:30:42] comment out the lines in localsettings about using imagemagick if you've uncommented them [18:32:06] Hi.... :) [18:33:05] ZeiP - er du her..? [18:33:48] Tjeiken? [18:34:06] ZeiP - jeps.. jeg har lige oprettet en bruger på scoutwiki... [18:34:26] ZeiP - men jeg aner ikke hvordan man opretter nye sider derinde? [18:34:40] hey it works !! [18:34:50] i just put $wguseimagemagic to false [18:34:58] and then, it works [18:35:01] thx for all [18:35:01] hello [18:35:34] why does this work on Wikimedia, but not in my personal wiki? body { font-family: serif; font-size: 100%; } [18:35:35] yannf - hi ;) [18:35:51] .. don't have a clue... i'm new to wikimedia :P [18:35:59] Tjeiken, eh. I don't speak Danish. [18:36:10] all [18:36:11] ZeiP - oh.. okay.. [18:36:35] ZeiP - i've created a user on da.soutwiki.org.. and you were listed as admin? [18:36:54] ZeiP - I want to create new pages with information in there - but i don't have a clue how to do it :P [18:36:58] Tjeiken, ah, yes :) [18:37:20] Tjeiken, come to #ScoutWiki, that's a place more appropriate for this discussion probably :) [18:37:44] any idea please? [18:37:56] ZeiP - i will! :P.. i havent used IRC channels for ages either - hadnt seen there was a channel dedicated to scoutwiki [18:38:11] (in force reload the page several times) [18:51:26] hi [18:54:56] does anybody uses mediawiki to documentation their processes on organizations? [18:58:05] ZeiP: olol [18:58:33] Nikerabbit has fun, as usual. [18:58:51] Nikerabbit, what does olol mean, BTW? :P [18:59:30] olololol [19:04:06] Nikerabbit, suffer. [19:06:17] 03david * r26257 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (83 files in 12 dirs): (log message trimmed) [19:06:17] Merged revisions 26134-26247 via svnmerge from [19:06:17] svn+ssh://david@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3 [19:06:17] ........ [19:06:17] r26139 | amidaniel | 2007-09-25 20:24:01 -0700 (Tue, 25 Sep 2007) | 2 lines [19:06:18] (bug 11218) Add 'allrev' parameter option to feedwatchlist, to allow multiple revisions for each page to displayed. [19:06:23] ........ [19:12:48] ZeiP: ololololololol [19:14:11] 03(FIXED) Comments namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11471 +comment (10jeluf) [19:17:33] 03david * r26258 10/branches/liquidthreads/extensions/LqtPages.php: Messages posted from Special:Newmessages have the correct article. [19:56:23] 03daniel * r26259 10/trunk/extensions/TalkHere/TalkHere.php: fixed bad permission name: view -> read [20:08:55] 04(REOPENED) Comments namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11471 +comment (10newsmarkie) [20:10:24] 03(mod) Comments namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11471 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [20:13:35] I'd like to call the attention of people who can do something about it to the request at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Protection_policy#Read_only_textarea [20:14:47] (along similar lines, I think that if anonymous editing is disabled, anons should get a view source link rather than a useless edit link) [20:15:44] Random832: i don't quite get it. you can't select in a read only text-area? why not? [20:16:54] Duesentrieb: I can't navigate it with the keyboard - the cursor is not visible. [20:17:11] [I'm not the one who made the request, either; so I don't know what user-agent he uses] [20:17:22] 03erik * r26260 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/SpecialSuggest.php: defined-meaning-attributes need a WHERE clause, too [20:17:50] Random832: at least in firefox, you *can* navigate using the keyboard, even though the cursor is invisible. but you can make the cursor visible in read-only text areas (and any text in the browser) by selecting a simple option in your preferences in firefox. [20:18:04] eh - there's still no reason not to allow the text area to be edited [20:18:16] Random832: or write/copy a short bit of javascript (like a bookmarklet) that makes all fields on a page editable [20:18:19] I mean, surely it doesn't allow me to save, if i change the text area to not be readonly [20:18:49] Random832: yes, there is a readon - consistency. one of the first rules of UI design: never surprise the user. allowing users to edit but not to save is misleading. [20:19:39] (it's more irritating, in my opinion, that there's no "view source" on projects that don't allow anon editing (e.g. conservapedia) [20:20:11] yes, that should indeed be fixed [20:20:12] Duesentrieb: um, what's surprising about "can type stuff but can't save" vs "can't type stuff"? [20:20:36] when the former is as good a description of what protection actually does as the latter [20:20:51] Random832: people don't read. so the will end up editing 5 minutes, and then being unable to save. [20:20:53] that sucks., [20:21:01] well then it should be a preference [20:21:06] protection prevents editing [20:21:09] #so you can't edit [20:21:11] it's pointless [20:21:14] because I would like to be able to make my edits, preview, etc, before making an editprotected request [20:21:30] 03(mod) sitemap-index doesn't include full location path - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9675 (10jlerner) [20:21:45] (incidentally, i'd also like for there to be a "preview edits in transcluded context" option) [20:21:55] Random832: allowing preview would actually need quite a bit of changes, i guess... [20:22:16] as for making the text box editable, a few lines of js should do [20:22:20] are you sure? [20:22:27] about wha?t [20:23:02] allowing you to move the curser around in a non-editable text area, all you need is to do is click a preference option [20:23:19] no [20:23:30] are you sure it would require major changes to allow previewing [20:24:08] are you an admin on en? [20:26:53] i don't see why it's not sufficient to have a big red warning at the top, and no save button [20:27:57] Random832: i'm not an admin on en. it would not require *major* changes, but quite some - i havn't looked to closely, but it would require to rethink the permission checks on a whole execution path. [20:28:19] and as i said before, i don't think it's a good idea. others may think differently. [20:28:27] post a request on bugzilla if you like. [20:29:23] 03(FIXED) Comments namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11471 +comment (10cbrown1023) [20:30:23] well - IMO view source for cases where you don't have permission to edit generally is more important (but also would require the particular non-wikimedia projects i'm thinking of to upgrade) [20:30:57] ideally view source should be a separate action, which only requires view permission [20:31:51] Random832: hm? does it require any more permissions now? [20:31:59] also, you can always use action=raw :) [20:32:22] Random832: i have a js snippet for making text areads editable, if you like... [20:32:30] Duesentrieb: you can't view source if you don't have permission to edit at all (as opposed to being on a protected page) [20:32:46] i.e. an anon on e.g. conservapedia [20:33:18] 03aaron * r26261 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): *Some fr translations (by Bertrand) (bug 11280, bug 11502) [20:33:44] 03(FIXED) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11280 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [20:33:46] 03(FIXED) New messages translated in French language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11502 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [20:35:14] Random832: sure about that? at least when using the userCan hook, it seems to work fine. see here for example: http://brightbyte.de/mw/index.php?title=Benutzer:Daniel/News&action=edit [20:37:07] Random832: bein an anon, i can perfectly fine view source on conservapedia. http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit [20:37:53] Random832: i also see a "view source" link there, no "edit" link. [20:38:00] Random832: so... what's all the FUD about? [20:38:41] oh my, what a gem. "Beginning in 1950, United States Senator Joseph McCarthy became the most visible public figure to stand up to Communist infiltration of the United States. Learn what Wikipedia does not inform you about the vast Communist conspiracy that almost undermined the United States Government!" [20:40:47] Random832: hm, wait... it doesn't work for other pages... so... if it's *protected*, anons *can* view source, but if it's not, but anons can't edit, then you *can't* view source. now *that* sucks. [20:40:51] Random832: file a bug report :) [20:46:39] Has someone done shared user DB on existing wikis? [20:46:49] shared user DB? yep [20:47:34] I'd be interested on the possibility of it. We have (*checks*) twelve wikis, most of which have quite small number of contributors. [20:47:43] is there a way so i can use common images on my wiki without manually uploading them? [20:48:17] i mean the images on wikimedia's commons [20:48:19] Ashfire908: no. [20:48:22] k [20:48:27] I was wondering whether it'd be possible & feasible to migrate to a shared DB. Mostly concerned about the UID's, any account collisions aren't hopefully a problem. [20:48:36] Ashfire908: there has been a proposal around for a while, i think it's called "instant commons" [20:48:41] but it's just that: a proposal [20:49:00] Ashfire908: it would be quite hard to get right. [20:49:23] Duesentrieb, i assume it would create a lot of traffic. [20:49:25] 03(NEW) Hover functionality on footnotes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11515 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (gtjacobs) [20:49:27] hot-linking the image is not wanted, so you would have to cache. the question then is what happens if it gets deleted [20:49:38] and who is responsible should it turn out to be a copyright violation. [20:50:10] Duesentrieb, InstantantCommons is implementeted on a branch [20:50:33] Platonides: is it? i didn't know... would be interesting to play with it. [20:50:34] is there a way to export the revisions of images? [20:50:55] i'm afraid not. [20:50:59] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/instantcommons/ [20:50:59] k [20:51:05] image improt/export would be nice. [20:51:27] Platonides: but that would require commons to run the branch too, right? or does it work *now*? [20:51:35] Duesentrieb, yes [20:51:41] you can't use it against commons [20:51:48] k [20:52:18] Jack_Phoenix, are you aware of scripts to take care of the colliding UID's everywhere in the DB's? [20:52:31] hm? o_O [20:52:56] ZeiP: UIDs? [20:52:58] We already have wikis. [20:53:00] so the only way to get commons would to be to have them on the same server or something? [20:53:06] oh, user ids. [20:53:10] Yes. [20:53:48] ZeiP: code for that exists. wikimedia is planning to switch to single login, and has the same problem. [20:54:05] there's a complex multi-stage plan for resolving conflicts. [20:54:39] Wasn't Wikimedia going to use some [username]@fi-wiki or something like that to solve the problem? [20:54:56] meh [20:55:25] ZeiP: not really. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/H:UL [20:58:03] 03(FIXED) update.php for MW 1.10.0 doesn't completely update the DB - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9882 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [21:01:04] 14(DUP) updateRestrictions.php not working - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10700 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [21:01:06] 03(mod) update.php for MW 1.10.0 doesn't completely update the DB - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9882 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [21:02:51] 03(mod) Hover functionality on footnotes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11515 (10Platonides) [21:14:25] 03(mod) Update French localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11514 +need-review; summary (10robchur) [21:15:27] Duesentrieb, do you know where I'd find a script that could help on the migration? [21:18:12] 03(mod) Anonymous users' signatures should link to contribs page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11315 (10robchur) [21:21:18] 03(mod) Semantic Forms should use SMWStore instead of direct DB access - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11506 (10lgerbarg) [21:24:16] Ok, I want to check before I download 236 MB of TeX things: Do i need to install latex-cjk-all to compile TeX support? [21:28:24] 03(mod) Anonymous users' signatures should link to contribs page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11315 (10matthew.britton) [21:30:42] is there a page describing how to compile TeX support or is it all in the readme file [21:33:43] Ashfire908, is this for ? [21:33:51] yes [21:34:08] TeX is [21:34:25] Ashfire908, you just need to follow the readme [21:34:56] I don't think you need lots of tex stuff... just a few apps.... but I forgot actually [21:36:42] i am looking for the script that can generate google sitemap files , google links it as http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/maintenance/generateSitemap.php?rev=1.17&sortby=date&view=auto , but i cant open that URL [21:37:23] google sitemap file of a mediawiki that is..of course [21:38:07] ah, i see it in ./maintenance [21:41:18] mutante, cool.. you then pass that to google? [21:41:23] what is a site map actually? [21:44:17] 03(mod) Anonymous users' signatures should link to contribs page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11315 +comment (10matthew.britton) [21:45:07] faceface: Basically just a listing of the important pages on a site [21:45:21] i apparently can trim a lot of junk down [21:45:42] a lot was just unneeded stuff [21:51:45] amidaniel, cool [21:52:34] 03siebrand * r26262 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (10 files): [21:52:34] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [21:52:34] * ar, bcl, es, ext, hr, la, ro, sdc, sei, tet. [21:53:27] faceface: yes, i was planning that, and i got filess like sitemap-wikidb-NS_0-0.xml.gz now, one for each namespace [21:54:11] faceface: just for some reason the links are all starting http://localhost/wiki/.. in that file [21:55:35] faceface: info: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/docs/en/protocol.html , http://sitemaps.org/ ... [21:58:24] I have seen the place to upload them - just never made one. [21:58:33] night [21:59:15] --server= The protocol and server name to use in URLs, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org. This is sometimes necessary because server name detection may fail in command line scripts. ahaaa [22:32:50] hi all, i'm wondering if someone can answer a questions about enwikipedia database dumps [22:32:59] #wikimedia-tech [22:33:14] thanks [22:38:14] how do i get mediawiki to update it's stats [22:39:59] or is it automatic [22:42:35] 03siebrand * r26263 10/trunk/extensions/ (42 files in 38 dirs): [22:42:35] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [22:42:35] * Fixes and additions to 39 extensions for ar, cu, es, ext, fi, hr, la, nl, ro. [23:36:35] is there something special i have to do to make ParserFunctions work? [23:38:56] Ashfire908, you need to install it, according to the installation instructions. [23:40:15] i did. [23:40:28] {{#switch}} doesn't work [23:41:03] It should. [23:41:16] ...but it doesn't [23:41:23] Does {{ #if: }} work? [23:42:08] which version of mediawiki and PHP are you running? [23:42:22] mediawiki 1.11.0 [23:42:38] one sec let me check php [23:43:05] it should say in Special:Version [23:44:51] http://ashfirect.servehttp.com/wiki/Special:Version [23:46:50] PHP: 5.2.1 (apache2handler) [23:47:23] parserfunctions is active [23:48:32] could this be the problem? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#Troubleshooting [23:48:52] i don't think so [23:49:56] did you install extensionfunctions? [23:50:08] ...? [23:50:11] no? [23:50:17] where is that [23:50:34] read this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions [23:51:29] !extensions [23:51:29] MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions, this is usually a simple process. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions for details on writing an extension, and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix for an overview of known extensions. [23:53:42] ok let me try the page again [23:57:32] hmm [23:57:34] nope [23:57:45] sorry for the hoopla; i couldn't remember if parserfunctions was the extension that needed extensionfunctions or not [23:57:55] your issue is that switch needs to be followed by a colon [23:58:13] and your last line (the default line) needs to be preceded by " #default= " [23:58:17] that should fix it [23:58:40] i didn't have to do the second thing on wikipedia [23:59:04] should have saw the colon issue [23:59:16] if it works without it; you don't need it [23:59:33] the preview of it wasn't working correct, however, transclusion may still function properly without it