[00:00:04] ok [00:00:08] thanks [00:05:11] AzaTht: ping [00:05:45] pong [00:06:17] AzaTht: since tab seems to be broken even in shipping firefox. [00:06:38] jeremyb: know [00:07:00] :( [00:07:01] havn't come around to fix it yet [00:07:25] *jeremyb would *love* to have that code in a real SCM... :P [00:07:33] SCM? [00:08:27] [[Source Code Management]] [00:08:58] :-P [00:09:00] DVCS preferred :) [00:09:55] *jeremyb would prolly make a script to pull from wiki and stick in a local repo just to review history if he had the time [00:10:16] jeremyb: I know current setup is not optimal [00:11:16] AzaTht: any idea if caycle comes around IRC? [00:11:19] 03(mod) New-messages bar not coming up and/ or getting stuck up for IP addresses - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 major->04CRIT (10bushcarrot) [00:11:28] caycle? [00:11:33] *jeremyb notes that the diff button stopped showing up for him [00:11:39] AzaTht: WikEd [00:11:42] aha [00:11:55] I did that? [00:12:07] what? [00:12:12] nm [00:12:23] the diff button? doubtful [00:12:31] does tw make his diff dissapear? [00:12:35] 03(mod) Un-hardcode (or at least internationalize) database error message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7480 15enhancement->04CRIT; normal->high (10bushcarrot) [00:12:45] i saw the since tab stop working well before the button disappeared [00:12:56] *jeremyb hasn't kept up on changes [00:13:01] *jeremyb double checks [00:13:09] I remade the cod for the since tabls, but didn't fully test it [00:13:13] code* [00:13:33] it was a bit lower prio than the other bugs that arrived at the same time [00:14:10] it looks like since mine is fine though [00:14:38] AzaTht: remind me your OS... [00:14:50] *jeremyb is a machead of late [00:15:16] OS? [00:15:26] operating system? [00:15:28] yeah [00:15:32] sid [00:15:38] oh, yeah [00:16:11] if( me ) { [00:16:11] user = wgUserName; [00:16:11] } else if( vandal ) { [00:16:11] // twinklefluff or simlar have already parsed this thingi [00:16:11] user = vandal; [00:16:12] } else { [00:16:14] user = ntitle.getElementsByTagName('a')[3].firstChild.nodeValue; [00:16:16] if( user == 'Current revision' ) { // Lousy hack inc. [00:16:18] user = ntitle.getElementsByTagName('a')[6].firstChild.nodeValue; [00:16:20] } [00:16:22] } [00:16:23] 03(mod) New-messages bar not coming up and/ or getting stuck up for IP addresses - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 04CRIT->major (10robchur) [00:16:54] 03(mod) Un-hardcode (or at least internationalize) database error message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7480 04CRIT->minor; high->normal (10robchur) [00:17:00] *Simetrical smacks AzaTht for not pastebinning [00:17:17] *AzaTht takes that smack and returns a cookie [00:17:26] Simetrical: though it was so little [00:17:44] Simetrical: what's the limit? [00:17:47] ...what language is that in [00:17:47] *jeremyb didn't mind so much because it was on topic and it's not terribly busy here but maybe he could have compressed it a little [00:17:52] Is mediawiki suitable for a family wiki? [00:17:59] a line with no bracket is wasteful :P [00:18:02] Ashfire908: js [00:18:05] gah [00:18:08] ah. [00:18:11] hehe [00:18:15] a line with only a bracket is wasteful :P* [00:18:15] AzaTht, depends on the person, but eleven lines tends to be over it. [00:18:38] Simetrical: true [00:18:46] It doesn't really matter, though, because the chat was kind of dead anyway. [00:18:59] Simetrical: it always looks less in editor [00:19:10] dudes? [00:19:34] bobbytek2: why would or wouldn't it be? [00:19:48] too big.. one size doesn't fit all [00:19:52] bobbytek2: family doesn't really explain what you're looking for it to have [00:19:54] jeremyb: hmm, since is really not function [00:20:12] I wan [00:20:20] want to have a wiki for my family :) [00:20:24] AzaTht? you mean you forgot to define it? [00:20:29] bobbytek2: i know... [00:20:44] So it shouldn't be too hard to use, and setup [00:20:48] MediaWiki is kind of big and heavy. There are much smaller/faster wiki packages. [00:20:55] Simpler too. [00:20:59] jeremyb: mean, it's pretty not functional for me [00:21:19] Any recommends? [00:21:27] There are so many! [00:21:35] AzaTht: you mean use case? [00:22:31] Simetrical: orly? never heard that complaint before but i've never installed myself. heavy==? perf? [00:23:11] jeremyb, performance-wise, yes, partly. Lines of code, complexity . . . [00:23:14] jeremyb: I mean, why did I "ship" a non-functional function [00:23:41] It has stuff like templates, categories, in-wiki customizable interface. [00:23:54] Also only configurable via text file. [00:24:21] AzaTht: still not quite sure what you mean but i'm guessing it's a question for yourself and/or rhetorical [00:24:46] jeremyb: it's totally borked [00:25:25] AzaTht: but it once worked fine, right? [00:25:39] Is there any way to make it so that the titles of articles don't have every word capitalized? [00:25:59] move them to the noncapitalized version? [00:28:12] jeremyb: probably [00:28:30] deltaray, move the articles, using the "move" button at the top of the page. [00:31:47] jeremyb: hehe [00:31:49] my fault [00:32:37] jeremyb: the error is: I posted a patch to change the syntax of the diff page, but forgot to fix it my self [00:36:27] AzaTht: you mean you caused the WikEd problem? or is it using one of your scripts or what? [00:38:32] jeremyb: I'm responsible for the change of the diff page [00:39:31] r25409 | tstarling | 2007-09-02 19:13:03 +0200 (sön, 02 sep 2007) | 1 line [00:39:31] In the diff column headings, Use divs with id attributes instead of
, for easier site/user javascript hacks. Patch by Carl Fürstenberg. [00:39:48] totally forgot about that one [00:44:04] AzaTht: but what did it break? [00:44:46] the hackish lookup [00:45:08] now at least it's semiworking [00:45:15] you mean since? [00:45:19] but I some how get a page like this: [00:45:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moravian_Cemetery%2C_Staten_Island&oldid=155640992&diff=155640992 [00:45:23] yes [00:46:15] i did too [00:46:23] *jeremyb looks at the change [00:47:28] *jeremyb loves that unprotected frequently used templates quote [00:48:18] hmm, perhaps it's my brain not working, or is it that the api is borked [00:48:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Moravian%20Cemetery,%20Staten%20Island&rvlimit=1&rvendid=155640991 [00:48:31] wrong wrong [00:48:41] it shouldn't show that revision [00:49:08] hmm [00:49:32] The limit is taking precedence over end/start ids [00:49:33] Consider http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Moravian%20Cemetery,%20Staten%20Island&rvlimit=2&rvendid=155640991 [00:49:39] amidaniel: NOOOO [00:49:49] buäää [00:50:25] rvlimit should have low precedence [00:50:36] imo [00:50:38] Hmmm .. not sure [00:50:47] When you request 2 revs you expect two revs [00:50:54] yes [00:51:01] no [00:51:04] you got 2 revs! :-{ [00:51:09] I expect max two revs [00:51:18] right [00:51:22] Meh ... I'll look at it in a bit. I gotta go eat though :) [00:52:30] AmiDaniel_away: the full query I need to get to work is: [00:52:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Moravian%20Cemetery,%20Staten%20Island&rvlimit=1&rvendid=155640991&rvuser=Arbus%20Driver [00:53:52] AmiDaniel_away: bete'avon [00:53:53] var query={'prop':'revisions','action':'query','titles':wgPageName,'rvlimit':1,'rvprop':['ids','user'],'rvendid':wgCurRevisionId-1,'rvuser':user}; [00:59:39] nite [01:06:31] Simetrical: Sorry for the delay. No, even if I make an article like "This is an article", the title on the page itself shows as "This Is An Article". [01:06:46] deltaray, er, link to your wiki? [01:07:53] I pm'd it to you because I'm not ready for this to be public. [01:08:55] I don't want mediawiki to autocapitalize the article title because in some cases it doesn't make sense. Like if I use www in a title and it shows up as Www, it is confusing to people. [01:08:57] deltaray, remove text-transform: capitalize from the #content .firstHeading style in skins/gumax/gumax_template.css. [01:09:03] Ah [01:09:18] Simetrical: btw, slightly related, i need to port the title / username normalization to python and js. if you could point me the php that would be nice [01:09:25] Must have been a stylesheet thing then? [01:09:36] deltaray, yes, it was your custom style. [01:09:41] deltaray: .css is a stylesheet... [01:09:58] to the* [01:10:04] jeremyb: I know that, I modified it from the gumax one. [01:10:26] jeremyb, it's in Title.php and User.php, in includes/. The name of the function will contain some word along the lines of "normalize" or "verify" or something. [01:10:38] kthx [01:11:15] Simetrical: Yeah, that worked. Thanks. [01:14:50] Another question. I'd like to be able to make a template where the {{{1}}} part is surrounded by tags so that the argument for the template is automatically escaped. It doesn't seem to work because it removes the functionality of the {{{1}}} part, is there another way to do this? [01:18:27] deltaray: are you subst'ing? [01:18:27] I'd expect not. [01:18:39] jeremyb: what does that mean? [01:18:56] You mean substituting? [01:19:00] yeah [01:19:17] *jeremyb has way too much work to be here now [01:19:44] deltaray: That's not possible, as far as I know. I tried to do something similar a long time ago with all sorts of ugly hacks. [01:19:45] Well, I'm putting programming code into the template. This is a template that is supposed to emphasize programming code by putting into its own box. [01:20:18] Pathoschild: Ok, that's good to know. I guess I'll just have to tell people to put tags around the data to put in the template. [01:20:31] No biggie, just would have been nice to be able to do. [01:20:46] Keep in mind that breaks line-breaks too, so it might not be a good idea for long code. [01:21:34] < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi > does what you're thinking of, I think. [01:21:39] deltaray: there is syntax highlighting for source code... have you tried that? [01:21:43] Yeah, I'm finding that. I'm having trouble making it so that the code can by easily copied and pasted by the user. [01:21:50] mboman: no, I haven't. [01:22:10] See the link I gave for the syntax highlighting. [01:23:42] Pathoschild: Wow, that's neat. I was wondering if there might be something like that. [01:23:49] Thanks for the link [01:23:55] Welcome. [01:24:20] if you've configured the database, but the configuration script webpage won't load, what does that mean? [01:24:24] deltaray: You can't use that through a template (it will just display "{{{1}}}"), but the syntax is pretty easy to use directly. [01:24:27] yes, the database server IS on and the webserver is also on [01:24:31] err loaded [01:24:34] started...running [01:25:06] and by not load, I mean I get a 404 error [01:26:32] Pathoschild: Actually, I'm not sure I'd want it to show up syntax coded for all examples, maybe just some. [01:28:19] I'm on FreeBSD, btw [01:34:56] any suggestions? [01:35:34] MrWGW, does it exist in the filesystem? Is there some rewrite rule in place? [01:35:55] MrWGW: errorlogs? accesslogs? [01:36:04] MrWGW: turn up debug for apache? [01:36:05] it does exist in the filesystem [01:36:44] but to be clear, there are no configuration steps required after install other than configuring the database, and running the config script web page? [01:36:55] and also making sure the config directory is chmod 755ed [01:37:14] define 'configuring the database' [01:38:36] 03(mod) "Go" search button is ignoring user's custom search namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11380 (10alxndr) [01:39:01] the steps outlined here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki [01:41:55] 03(mod) Semantic Forms should use SMWStore instead of direct DB access - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11506 (10yaron57) [01:47:48] *amidaniel is back [01:47:51] whatd I miss? [01:48:18] Everything. ;-) [01:48:23] 20:52:28 < AzaTht> AmiDaniel_away: the full query I need to get to work is: [01:48:23] 20:52:30 < AzaTht> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Moravian%20Cemetery,%20Staten%20Island&rvlimit=1&rvendid=155640991&rvuser=Arbus%20Driver [01:48:26] 20:53:51 < AzaTht> var query={'prop':'revisions','action':'query','titles':wgPageName,'rvlimit':1,'rvprop':['ids','user'],'rvendid':wgCurRevisionId-1,'rvuser':user}; [01:49:08] amidaniel: no awaylog? [01:50:09] so I'm still at a loss as to what's causing this problem [01:50:49] MrWGW: did you look at the apache errorlog? [01:52:23] jeremyb: Too lazy to read it :) [01:52:36] jeremyb: Alright, let me tinker [01:53:00] just a second, I'm looking now [01:53:10] amidaniel: btw, he left [01:53:18] Bastard [01:53:20] :) [01:54:57] well that's not getting me anywhere [01:55:02] I can access the .php file [01:55:08] but instead of loading and running as a web page, it just prints out the code [01:56:18] that said, is the mediawiki directory supposed to be in the /data file along with other directly accessible stuff, or should it reside under that in /usr/local/www ? [01:57:49] MrWGW, if it prints out the code, make sure that PHP is enabled in Apache. [01:57:59] ooh that could be it, ok [01:58:04] PHP is installed, I know that [01:58:19] the setting for enabling it would be in httpd.conf ? [01:58:50] Yes. [01:59:01] You need to make sure the module is loaded and it's being served with the appropriate handler. [01:59:17] I just install the right package and it sorts itself, personally, so I don't know how to do it in the config file. [01:59:38] note that I'm not much of a web administrator at all, as this conversation should indicate, but I do have basic UNIX command line skills (vi, et cetera) hence my ability to use FreeBSD and survive at all up until this point...I'm basically a n00b at web serving, and a semi-n00b at UNIX in general [01:59:48] oh ok [01:59:52] well I installed PHP from the ports [02:00:15] #apache/#php are better places for this kind of support [02:00:16] but I'm not sure if its running or not [02:00:38] can you get phpinfo(); to run? [02:09:38] Another question, are 
 tags also NOT allowed in templates?
[02:10:27] 	actually it looks like the PHP Apache module wasn't installed, although I thought it had installed
[02:10:33] 	PHP 5 works, right?
[02:11:10] 	for mediawiki? the latest versions require it
[02:11:15] 	ok perfect
[02:11:27] 	since that's what I'm building from the ports right now
[02:11:35] 	i think you need 5.2.1
[02:11:38] 	then I'll turn it on and hope it works
[02:11:40] 	or whatever
[02:12:25] 	this is 5.2.3
[02:16:49] 	deltaray: pre tags don't work in templates
[02:17:56] 	how do i get rsvg to work in mediawiki?
[02:19:28] 	do i have to change the path to it
[02:22:21] 	MZMcBride: ok. Thanks.
[02:23:14] 	nm
[02:23:17] 	got it
[02:24:46] 	does anyone know how to get those transparent boxes behind the images?
[02:25:22] 	what transparent boxes?
[02:25:52] 	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nuvola_apps_important.svg
[02:25:57] 	those
[02:26:05] 	hmm so does the Mediawiki folder created at installation need to go in the publically accessible web server folder?
[02:26:21] 	"/usr/local/www/data" to be precise
[02:26:50] 	wherever apache is set up, yeah
[02:26:54] 	only index.php needs to be publicly accessible, but it's more complicated to set up that way
[02:27:08] 	(you need to adjust the include path)
[02:27:30] 	you would symlink everything to do that, right?
[02:27:42] 	no
[02:27:43] 	Ashfire908: #file img { background: transparent url('path/to/checkerboards.png') }
[02:28:03] 	yeah i was just about to say that
[02:28:06] 	where do i put that
[02:28:13] 	i was looking through the common.js on commons
[02:28:17] 	no comments; it's a mess
[02:28:25] 	[[MediaWiki:Common.js]]
[02:28:48] 	and make sure you download and upload the checkerboards image
[02:29:17] 	sorry it's [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]
[02:30:34] 	hey all!
[02:30:44] 	where do you get themes for media wiki from :s
[02:30:48] 	where is the commons's checkerboard
[02:31:42] 	Ashfire908: you can probably right-click and save the background image
[02:32:02] 	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Checker-16x16.png
[02:32:35] 	brown_cat: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles ?
[02:32:44] 	thanx
[02:32:49] *brown_cat 	gives MZMcBride a cookie
[02:35:49] 	Argh, I broke searching. I've got clean SearchEngine.php and SpecialSearch.php, what else could be preventing search results from showing up?
[02:36:08] 	(i really need to set up a test wiki...)
[02:41:45] 	also, one other q, how do I install a skin (i'm new ;P )
[02:43:09] 	brown_cat: put the files in skins/
[02:43:17] 	kk
[02:43:19] 	if you want it to be default, set $wgDefaultSkin
[02:43:51] 	k :D
[02:50:12] 	oh great, it's an extension.
[02:55:51] 	03(mod) "Go" search button is ignoring user's custom search namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11380  (10alxndr)
[03:11:29] 	is there a good way to override how Parser renders something?
[03:16:08] 	with MediaWiki, can I create "sub wikis" assigned to specific topics?
[03:16:16] 	that would have different names et cetera
[03:16:25] 	or would I need to install multiple instances of MediaWiki?
[03:19:22] 	er, how Linker renders something, not Parser...
[03:20:07] 	I'm trying to setup Infoboxes in my Wiki... Does wikipedia use an extension for that? I can see the html that's generated (eg [etc]) but it doesn't display the nifty table
[03:21:43] 	firewing1: it's a bunch of templates and CSS 
[03:21:57] 	firewing1: tidy is still the answer ;)
[03:22:12] 	flyingparchment, $wgUseTidy = True?
[03:22:16] 	for various uninteresting reasons, mediawiki changes its rendering behaviour for unclosed tags in templates when you use tidy
[03:22:19] 	yes
[03:24:01] 	(you'll also need to install tidy)
[03:24:37] 	Actually, I don't think you need to install Tidy to change the unclosed-tag rendering behavior.
[03:25:36] 	orly
[03:25:41] 	Wouldn't it be easier just to fix the unclosed tags?
[03:25:50] 	you can't fix them, they're intentional
[03:25:59] 	they're opened in one template and closed in another
[03:26:01] 	(iirc)
[03:26:04] 	oh
[03:26:52] 	It works :)
[03:26:53] 	thanks
[03:31:02] 	Hello all
[03:31:09] 	anyone awake
[03:31:25] 	preety plz lol
[03:31:53] 	Vega: just ask, if someone awake can help you they will
[03:31:56] 	ok
[03:31:58] 	sup
[03:32:09] 	so im hosting a wiki for a very popular game community 
[03:32:13] 	bg-wiki.com
[03:32:24] 	today, we had our first vandal
[03:32:59] 	your wiki has become a man
[03:33:02] 	so, im woundering if there is a decent extension that will enable email validation atleast, and perhaps a way to detect proxy's
[03:33:34] 	E-mail validation is built into the software, if you enable it.
[03:33:35] 	EmailNotification & namespace
[03:33:43] 	you can block open proxies by setting $wgBlockOpenProxies
[03:33:51] 	at first my server was running on Intel Xeon 5130 dempsy dual core... mediawiki needed more power hehe so ive just recently upgrade my server to dual Intel Xeon woodcrest 5140 Dual CPU Dual cores ;D
[03:34:05] 	do you want to stop so many people editing just because of one vandal?
[03:34:10] 	no
[03:34:33] 	but email validation and perhaps a decent attempt to stop http proxy would be nice or atleast make it easyer for me to have time to block them
[03:34:42] 	might want to look at the reCAPTCHA extension
[03:34:51] 	thanks
[03:35:09] 	problem is you didn't start with validation - everyone unvalidated now becomes an issue.  Captcha is best bet
[03:35:20] 	does  $wgBlockOpenProxies need "true"/"false" or 1/0
[03:35:24] 	to configure it
[03:35:29] 	$wgBlockOpenProxies = true;
[03:35:53] 	another question. job que.
[03:36:00] 	caveat: the manual says you're strongly not advised to use $wgBlockOpenProxies
[03:36:14] 	i see.
[03:36:25] 	main thing is, if you use it, you need to understand exactly what it does
[03:36:30] 	is there a good sweet spot to set the job que to.
[03:36:39] 	yeah it reduced cpu load on the server
[03:36:59] 	i belive i have someonwhat an understanding of what it does, even though there wasnt much information about it.
[03:38:41] 	Hey Simetrical, you know a good way to change what Linker does?
[03:39:16] 	alxndr, subclass Skin and override the appropriate methods?
[03:39:37] 	I'm trying to wrap this into an extension though
[03:40:10] 	That's a puzzler, then.
[03:40:27] 	Hrm.
[03:41:37] 	are there any other extensions you can reckomend.
[03:42:18] 	recaptcha seems to be for every edit made, that would slow things down, but im really looking to just secure account creation/ somesorta email validation 
[03:42:51] 	you can customize when the captcha is triggered
[03:42:56] 	oh
[03:45:23] 	thanks for the wisdom folks
[03:45:30] 	ill stick around ;D 
[03:45:38] 	im a mediawiki new admin. 
[03:46:06] 	tryin to do my best to keep it fast and safe >.> 
[03:49:23] 	Vega: for extensions, look through http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix and see if anything sounds useful
[03:52:22] 	So I am having trouble setting up interwiki links on my personal installation of mediawiki
[03:52:51] 	I want [[wikipedia:whatever]] to link to wikipedia's whatever page, like i have seen on many other wikis
[03:53:51] 	i have searched mediawiki.org for the past half hour or so but i have not found any definite answers
[03:54:19] 	sloths: gotta add a row to the interwiki table
[03:55:06] 	!interwiki
[03:55:29] 	oh wow that is easy thanks
[03:56:19] 	!interwiki is For more information regarding interwiki links, see .
[03:56:19] 	Successfully added keyword: interwiki
[03:58:38] 	03(mod) Semantic Forms should use SMWStore instead of direct DB access - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11506  (10lgerbarg)
[03:59:56] *alxndr 	is tempted to try "!recurse is !recurse"
[04:08:00] 	03(NEW) odd message when I brought up the wikipedia english url - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11516 minor; low; Logwood: General/Unknown; (cesullivan)
[04:34:34] 	Would 'diff' be an acceptable $wgExternalDiffEngine value?
[04:44:41] 	03ivanlanin * r26264 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesId.php: Indonesian (id) localisation updates.
[04:52:10] 	03(mod) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11280  +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[04:53:28] 	04(REOPENED) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11280  15enhancement->04BLOCKER; normal->highest; +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[04:59:00] 	03aaron * r26265 10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/SpecialNuke.i18n.php: *Add language file
[04:59:34] 	03(FIXED) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11280  04BLOCKER->normal; highest->normal; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:05:12] 	hello VoiceOfAll. Thank for bug #11280 :-)
[05:07:25] *VoiceOfAll 	est faim
[05:08:15] 	Si tu as faim, je te souhaite bon appétit :-)
[06:06:09] 	hey on the extention whosonline, its wanting to give wikiuser create privs to mysql db.
[06:06:21] 	but i dont have a db usernamed called wikiuser >.> just the main one
[06:06:30] 	and the install notes dont say to create a user.
[06:06:52] 	and it makes me think its kinda a dangerous extenstion giving users create privs.
[06:07:51] 	create manually
[06:08:30] 	k
[06:11:58] 	hmm no password for the user?
[06:28:36] 	I have a question.  I am using a wiki to document sourcecode.  It would be really useful if I could "tag" an edit with a version number in the history of a page.  Does anyone know if this is possible?  I know that you can add a comment, but it would be nicer if I could actually edit a field on the history page where I could say this edit marks the beginning of the documentation of 1.5 of my code, for instance
[06:29:38] 	I tried searching for this in the docs, but didn't find anything
[08:07:20] <_wooz>	lo
[08:07:54] 	mornin
[08:07:56] 	g
[08:12:24] 	morning
[08:34:12] 	03raymond * r26266 10/trunk/extensions/Oversight/HideRevision.i18n.php: 
[08:34:12] 	* (bug 11514) Update French translations
[08:34:12] 	 Patch by Bertrand GRONDIN
[08:41:55] 	hey all!
[08:42:23] 	which file do I have to edit to change the logo + teme default etc. :s
[08:47:44] 	!logo
[08:47:44] 	The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by the $wgLogo configuration setting in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply need to change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo image. See  for more information.
[08:48:12] 	03(NEW) Correction of mistakes from french translation. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11517 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Nuke; (bertrand.grondin)
[08:48:25] 	03(mod) Correction of mistakes from french translation. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11517  +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[08:48:32] 	03(mod) Correction of mistakes from french translation. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11517  (10bertrand.grondin)
[08:49:05] *brown_cat 	gives Tubarao a cookie
[08:49:34] 	03(NEW) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11518 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (bertrand.grondin)
[08:49:57] 	totally newbie, I'm trying to create a "model", to have the menu on the right. I've added a line 
[08:49:57] 	{{Sommaire à droite}} on one of my page. Then clicking on that new link, I've been brought to a page where I could design such a model, but how do I do once there ?
[08:50:06] 	03(NEW) internationalization of the NewestPages extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11519 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (bertrand.grondin)
[08:50:19] 	good morning
[08:50:22] 	heya
[08:50:31] 	i am justtrying to get math working on 1.11
[08:50:52] 	according to the readme i do need: ocaml, latex, dvipng
[08:51:21] 	i am wondering myselg which package i really need to sleect in my distri :D
[08:51:30] 	ubuntu
[08:52:57] 	seems like: cjk-latex to get latex itself - ocaml for ocaml ?
[08:53:14] <_kb>	hi
[08:53:38] 	!skin
[08:53:47] 	O_O
[08:55:06] 	03(NEW) MessagesFr.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11520 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bertrand.grondin)
[08:55:32] 	03(FIXED) Update French localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11514  -need-review ; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:55:56] 	03(mod) Delete tokipona wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11511   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[08:55:59] 	03(mod) Please unlock Wolof Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11512   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[08:56:04] 	03(mod) Correct syntax in robots.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11508  -need-review -patch +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[08:56:21] 	14(DUP) Alphabetical order in tr.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11503  +comment (10lejonel)
[08:56:25] 	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  +comment (10lejonel)
[08:59:57] 	basicly i am wondering what is ment by" AMS* packages for LaTeX"
[09:00:22] 	apt-cahce search has no hit for AMS nor AMS*
[09:01:17] 	erm solved sorry.
[09:02:50] <_kb>	Has an images used by $wgLogo to be RGBA if it is an png?
[09:06:58] 	03(NEW) A way to navigate between topics in Beer parlour etc - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11521 15enhancement; lowest; Wiktionary tools: General; (hippytrail)
[09:07:12] 	ok, I am having some searious trouble - i have no clue about anything to do with mediawiki - I have set it up but, I will change localsettings.php and nothing is changing :(
[09:07:20] 	03(mod) Update French localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11519   +need-review; summary (10robchur)
[09:07:51] 	03(mod) Update French localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11520   +need-review; summary (10robchur)
[09:09:17] 	where can i find out more about this wikibugs irc bot here?
[09:10:13] 	03(mod) Update French localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11517   +need-review; summary (10robchur)
[09:12:11] 	:(
[09:12:55] 	03raymond * r26267 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[09:12:55] 	* (bugs 11517, 11518, 11519, 11520) Update French translations
[09:12:55] 	 Patch by Bertrand GRONDIN
[09:13:32] 	03(FIXED) Update French localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11517  -need-review ; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[09:13:34] 	anyone for a short question on texvc ?
[09:13:53] 	i have my wiki running, now run make and compile texvc
[09:13:59] 	03(FIXED) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11518  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[09:14:05] 	03(FIXED) Update French localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11519  -need-review ; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[09:14:13] 	03(FIXED) Update French localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11520  -need-review ; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[09:14:17] 	should i copy only the file "texvc" or some additional texvc+extension to my wikis-math folder ?
[09:34:58] 	hell yeah, seems like math is fully working for me now. First time !! :D
[09:36:12] 	so finaly i need geshi.
[09:36:27] 	if i query mediawiki.org i have a hige list fo hits for geshi
[09:36:35] 	*geshi-extensions*
[09:36:51] 	is that out of history, or is the gehsi-extension that splitted ?
[09:38:17] 	basicly i need a hint which geshi-extension i should select for mediawiki 1.11 on ubuntu
[09:39:04] 	SyntaxHighlight_Geshi
[09:39:24] 	hello
[09:39:27] 	hell duesentrieb
[09:39:32] 	*hello*
[09:39:43] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=geshi&go=Go so the seconmd out of this list, right ?
[09:40:00] 	its kinda confusing if you realize the amount the first time
[09:40:13] 	odb|fidel_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[09:40:22] 	At least that's the one I use on botwiki.
[09:40:33] 	ok thank you both
[09:40:41] 	it's the one wikimedia.org itself uses, too
[09:40:41] 	gonna try to get it working
[09:40:53] 	good :)
[09:41:05] 	note that you need the latest version of geshi - i was only one minor revision back, and it barfed.
[09:43:49] 	hello i've mediawiki 1.11 and i'm trying to install that extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:News
[09:44:29] 	but with that the original rss page dont work anymore and give me a error
[09:53:58] 	Duesentrieb: seems like it is working like a charme
[09:54:14] 	tried 2 test-pastes....php & c sharp
[09:54:40] 	thanks again
[10:20:44] 	soem ass hat try'd to dos me after last night...
[10:20:52] 	http://fanetworks.net/images/fadosbwm.png
[10:24:07] 	14(INVALID) odd message when I brought up the wikipedia english url - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11516  +comment (10robchur)
[10:30:23] 	Does anyone know a prog that can anti-alias an existing imagE?
[10:31:21] 	hehehehe
[10:31:28] 	just blur.
[10:31:33] 	that will be 'anti aliasing'
[10:32:07] 	or lots of manual photoshop work :)
[10:32:09] 	yeah, but my text is already blurred enough.. :) I need a prog that traces lines and redoes the transparency
[10:32:11] 	hehe
[10:32:36] 	well, then OCR
[10:32:43] 	and put the text again :)
[10:32:58] 	easier said than done :) - thanks
[10:40:36] 	domas, is it reasonable to assume that im getting blocky images because they are in gif format?
[10:40:46] 	yes
[10:40:54] 	gif has just 256 colors :)
[10:41:04] 	so it depends on what palette you chose 
[10:41:39] 	I figured.. the problem is than that png transparency isn't read correctly by IE5.5,6  any known fix for that?
[10:41:52] 	I tried the online tutorials but none of them worked
[10:43:01] 	I also know mediawiki has a PNG transparency fix inside for IE but for some reason it isn't working...
[10:45:38] 	Wiredtape: we use it for the logo image only
[10:45:48] 	iirc it causes problems w/ other thing sometimes
[10:47:47] 	brion: who's managing the live update feed stuff?
[10:47:54] 	me
[10:48:00] 	brion, i c, thank you...
[10:48:52] 	brion: cool... just wanted to let you know, i met Kingsly Idehen of OpenLink / DBPedia at a conference a few days ago. He seems hugely interrested in this.
[10:49:58] 	DBPerdia seems quite an interresting project, and cooperation with OpenLink could be quite interresting in the future, for anything vaguely semantic for wikipedia
[10:50:22] 	Duesentrieb: you were at the cssw?
[10:50:39] 	neat
[10:50:40] 	Any other ideas on another format that has alpha, and is supported by browser's of the third kind? :)
[10:53:39] 	PunkRock: yes
[10:54:20] 	Duesentrieb: Ha. then you must have seen me. 
[10:54:28] 	Oh man. i should not tell anyone ....
[10:54:30] 	quite possible :)
[10:54:31] 	darn
[10:54:58] 	I gave the talk on the bowiki
[10:55:08] 	brion: well, anyway, when he contacts you, be nice, but get some $$$ out of him - he's able and willing to pay :)
[10:56:04] 	Wiredtape: gif ;)
[10:56:38] 	brion,  .... :)
[10:57:32] 	PunkRock: yes, i remember :) I wanted to ask you if you have heard about knewco or wikiprotein
[10:58:08] 	PunkRock: and... i wanted to prod you of the identity crisis problem - you seem to have some mix up in the model :) http://www.ontopia.net/topicmaps/materials/identitycrisis.html
[11:06:41] 	umm... my pages are loading with the address http://loopaustralia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page rather then http://loopaustralia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[11:06:46] 	any reason wny? :s
[11:07:04] 	have you done the short url tutorial?
[11:07:20] 	:s
[11:07:23] 	I am new to all this
[11:08:09] 	symode09, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_make_my_base_URLs_shorter.3F
[11:08:22] 	kk, cheers :D
[11:08:26] 	welcome
[11:08:31] 	one other q...
[11:08:37] 	shoot
[11:09:00] 	why won't my localsettings.php update even though it is uploaded :s
[11:09:12] 	Duesentrieb: you mean wikiprofessional 
[11:09:24] 	they renamed themselfes a few times.
[11:09:25] 	symode09, explain... 
[11:09:37] 	Duesentrieb: yes i know them.
[11:10:01] 	ok, ill update localsettings.php and upload it but, the changes to not seem to be shown
[11:10:05] 	does anyone if "did you know" on wikipedia is dynamically updated or manually updated? and if dynamically is there an extension?
[11:10:37] 	Duesentrieb: the crisis is not really there. 
[11:10:57] 	Duesentrieb: i *think*
[11:11:00] 	symode09, i'm not sure I understand what isn't updating... are you making settings changes and they aren't affecting?
[11:11:27] 	PunkRock: iirc, you had relations like "next page", right?
[11:11:32] 	I am changing localsettings.php but, the changes are not being shown
[11:11:38] 	Duesentrieb: yeah.
[11:11:52] 	PunkRock: well, those refer to pages. they must not use the concept uri
[11:12:18] 	Duesentrieb: but is a relation instance identified to it's uri right?
[11:12:23] 	symode09, where is localsettings.php located? is it still in config?
[11:12:41] 	nope, i brought it one directory up
[11:12:50] 	should i delete the original copy in config?
[11:13:12] 	Duesentrieb: sorry. the relation instance is defined by a relation. and the relation instance is different as it is owned by an object \equiv page
[11:13:33] 	PunkRock: -> pm
[11:14:50] 	symode09, back it up and then delete it from config
[11:14:58] 	kk :)
[11:16:05] 	Wiredtape: nothing has happened :(
[11:16:19] 	03(NEW) Loading de: wikipedia watchlist causes Firefox to crash - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11522 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (wn42)
[11:17:46] 	Duesentrieb: could "news" extension be modified to show a specific event in a category? such as a keyword appearing..
[11:18:12] 	* category\article
[11:18:24] 	symode09, well, what settings are you trying to change? 
[11:18:36] 	skin
[11:18:48] 	ahh
[11:18:49] 	ok
[11:19:11] 	im guessing.. go into your users configuration and change your prefered skin choice..
[11:19:25] 	*i'm guessing this is the problem
[11:19:29] 	Wiredtape: sure if you write it
[11:19:35] 	for individual users?
[11:20:26] 	symode09, on your wiki.. top right there are your individual user settings... go into prefereces and then skin, and see if you have set a prefered skin, also see if your new skin appears there as an option
[11:20:42] 	yes, it does
[11:21:13] 	Duesentrieb, :) k
[11:21:56] 	Duesentrieb, do you have any idea how the "did you know" portion of wikipedia works? (is it manually entered?)
[11:22:55] 	manually
[11:23:04] 	thank you
[11:23:10] 	DPL may be able to do something similar
[11:24:08] 	I was thinking of something along an extension with a did you know that... and then on a page load it would choose a random tag from a category\namespace... 
[11:24:13] 	DPL can do that?
[11:24:58] 	symode09, so the skin appears, and did you select it?
[11:25:06] 	yes
[11:25:12] 	and, no go?
[11:25:17] 	it worked
[11:25:21] 	perfectly
[11:26:07] 	if you need any more help don't hesitate to ask
[11:26:34] 	Wiredtape: except, that changes the skin for one user
[11:26:41] 	i need to change it for all the users  :(
[11:27:44] 	well, you need to set it as the default skin in localsettings.php, and if you have done that.. than it is...
[11:33:58] 	03(NEW) Don't hide translation tables in preview mode - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11523 15enhancement; normal; Wiktionary tools: General; (hippytrail)
[11:35:23] 	Wiredtape: that is my problem - i have changed it in localsettings.php but it isn't doing anything
[11:39:11] 	the setting for a skin needs to be *exactly* the same as the skinname.php file.. (so look at captions)
[11:39:52] 	either that, or the same way it is written in the skin.php file itself.. preferably there are no uppercase letters
[11:40:05] 	symode09, I think I had this same problem before..
[11:40:29] 	kk, ill check :DD
[11:41:14] 	03(mod) Rearranging galleries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11500  summary (10dungodung)
[11:54:20] 	Wiredtape: sorry again but, now it has changed but to this... http://www.loopaustralia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[11:54:26] 	and yes, it is the correct skin :s
[11:54:37] 	Hi, is there a way to rename an image file, just uploaded ?
[11:55:47] 	arvernes: I don't think so
[11:55:59] 	arvernes: not withought an add on
[11:57:16] 	symode09: hmmm, when I asked to delete the file, I've got the following message : impossible to create the folder deleted/5/u/s » 
[11:58:02] 	:s I am not sure - I know nothing but, there is no function to rename images to uploaders that I know of, sorry I can't help
[12:00:17] 	03(mod) Don't hide translation tables in preview mode - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11523  (10hippytrail)
[12:00:50] 	symode09, i am not sure what it has changed to?
[12:01:30] 	Wiredtape: it is meant to look like http://loopaustralia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=gumax not http://loopaustralia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[12:01:33] 	:(
[12:01:33] 	arvernes, go into the image itself, you can then upload a new revision, or delete it and so on
[12:02:48] 	Yeap, I deleted it. The prob I got, was the user and group of the deleted subdirectory was not setted up to apache.apache. So I can't deleted that file, as apache didn't have the right to do so. I've got to change the rights of that subdirectory for a while. I guess it's ok ?
[12:02:50] 	Symode09, why would you want it to show "&useskin=gumax" ...? if it shows the correct skin..
[12:03:22] 	arvernes, that's up to you?
[12:03:23] 	it isn't
[12:03:38] 	03raymond * r26268 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Update German
[12:03:39] 	it shows the correct skin for my user but, not for all users - signed in and out
[12:04:45] 	symode09, do you have a url i can look at?
[12:05:09] 	ok,  http://loopaustralia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page is what it is current;y showing
[12:05:22] 	 http://loopaustralia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=gumax is what is is meant to show
[12:05:50] 	one sec...
[12:06:10] 	im creating an account, so if you want to delete it later..
[12:06:49] 	kk :)
[12:06:55] 	Wiredtape: thanks.
[12:07:08] 	arvernes, np
[12:08:19] 	symode09, ok, it doesn't need to have the &useskin=gumax.. that's only for the preview.. or if your user preferences are set to a different from default skin... look again at the skin settings both in the skin.php, skin.desc.php files and in localsettings.php
[12:09:14] 	ok, i have set localsettings.php correctly, what is this about skin.php and skin.desc.php >
[12:10:55] 	well, each skin has it's own php file
[12:11:01] 	.php
[12:11:07] 	and a desc or desp file
[12:11:13] 	which i don't remember what it does
[12:11:39] 	mhm, do I have to change those to make it work?
[12:11:41] 	inside the .php file there is a declaration that it is a new skin class, and I think it's something like SkinTemplate .. (or something)
[12:11:44] 	now
[12:12:10] 	localsettings HAS to be set to be exactly the same as in that declaration...
[12:12:21] 	so if it's Gumax than localsettings needs to be Gumax
[12:12:31] 	and so on
[12:12:51] 	ah, kk :)
[12:12:53] 	thanx :D
[12:13:08] 	np
[12:15:37] 	I have an image to insert to a text that way : [[Image:Dallage_abbaye_la_chaise-dieu.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Dallage de l'Abbaye de la Chaise-Dieu]] but I have a problem with the caracter " ' " for the word "l'abbaye". How to write it to make it visible in the legend of the image ?
[12:19:44] 	Wiredtape: ok, sorry,,,,,,,,, AGAIN :( I can't find the declaration - i have the php here http://rafb.net/p/sVZT7433.html
[12:21:34] 	symode09, try in localsettings GuMax
[12:21:54] 	tried that before... I'll try again just in case
[12:22:13] 	did you try gumax
[12:22:17] 	lowercase?
[12:22:30] 	$wgDefaultSkin = 'GuMax';
[12:22:33] 	don't forget to logout..
[12:22:36] 	exactly like that
[12:22:36] 	yes
[12:23:38] 	nothing has changed
[12:24:24] 	what about gumax - lowercase?
[12:24:32] *symode09 	goes to try
[12:25:32] 	wait 1 min... ill just try something...
[12:26:15] 	it should be the lowercase gumax.. I just checked my settings, and they are also like that.. btw the declaration is         $this->skinname  = 'gumax';
[12:26:15] 	        $this->stylename = 'gumax';
[12:26:30] 	it works now :D
[12:26:37] 	yay!!!!
[12:26:38] 	:)
[12:26:42] *symode09 	huggles Wiredtape
[12:26:46] 	hehe
[12:26:47] *symode09 	stabs older brother
[12:26:52] 	O_o
[12:27:05] 	I just realized - there is no upload function :(
[12:27:09] 	just so you know it has to be the same as what skinname is set to
[12:27:19] 	mhm
[12:27:40] 	upload function?
[12:27:51] *symode09 	nods
[12:27:52] 	for images
[12:29:31] 	try http://.../wiki/index.php?title=special:upload
[12:29:35] 	symode09: enable it then. read the faq
[12:29:56] 	kk :D thanx all!
[12:41:11] 	maybe a stupid question : what is a bots. Some people are sysop (I know what is a sysop), and some are bots. What are their rights ?
[12:47:04] 	bot
[12:47:20] 	micaelzer: oups, yes, bot 
[12:50:03] 	03(mod) "Go" search button is ignoring user's custom search namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11380  (10brion)
[12:51:03] 	03(mod) Fetching revision history fails without error message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11430  (10brion)
[12:55:00] 	brion: moooooorning
[12:55:28] 	arvernes, bots would be a program\script that runs some sort of maintanence.. for instance, cleaning up spam... 
[12:57:13] 	Wiredtape: Ok, but it can be a human ? I try to understand the differences between the three types of classified persons : bot, sysop and .... 
[12:58:02] *brion-work 	grumbles at http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=25430
[12:58:47] 	arvernes, bot = script (usually not human) , and it has it's own class because of different restrictions or abilities given to it..
[12:59:25] 	sysop = system operator - somewhat like a low level administrator
[12:59:28] 	usually human
[12:59:35] 	*only human
[12:59:42] 	Hi
[13:00:00] 	Im a student of CS at University of Bologna...
[13:00:07] 	Italy
[13:00:20] 	bureaucrat = I don't really know what they are.. :) they seem to wander in and out of systems, doing unmentioned things, and they can get away with it :)
[13:00:29] 	hi francesco_
[13:00:32] 	Can I ask some question about the Wiki edit Form?
[13:00:52] 	bureaucrat can make a user to sysop, bot, bureaucrat.
[13:01:40] 	brion-work: I'm thinking about committing rev_deleted stuff with log deletion disabled sometime soon
[13:01:43] 	francesco_: just read topic, and ask :)
[13:02:06] 	ooh
[13:02:23] 	ok!, i 'want' to talk to someone who know, if is possible to change the normal workflow of editing...
[13:02:23] *micaelzer 	loves rev_deleted
[13:02:44] 	Wiredtape: thank you. It's clear now. Thanks.
[13:02:49] 	np
[13:03:04] 	francesco, explain and ask the question
[13:03:13] 	i try...
[13:04:06] 	now im studing how to implement mechanism of validation on the editing worlflow
[13:04:40] 	i need to know if is possible
[13:05:19] 	add an other step after the "Save" operation is done.
[13:05:23] 	this step
[13:05:39] 	03brion * r26269 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SearchMySQL4.php): * (bug 278) Search results no longer highlight incorrect partial word matches
[13:06:30] 	must show if occurs some valdation errors or it's all OK.
[13:06:33] 	03aaron * r26270 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage_body.php: *Remove var cruft
[13:06:59] 	brion-work: if that's ok
[13:07:16] 	...
[13:07:36] 	i'd rather not just the sec, if it's going to change schemas
[13:08:14] 	no schema change
[13:08:21] 	thats why I'd disable log_deletion
[13:09:12] 	francesco, technically it is possible of course.. you would use a hook.. a hook is some "event" that was specified in the system.. (or you could write one) - for instance there is a hook (i forget what it's called) "OnEditSubmit" you would then say, whenever this hook occurs.. run this piece of code... and so on...
[13:09:23] 	yes...
[13:10:27] 	i saw the all the documentation...but technically it's possible only if i edit the edit() function of the Class EditPage
[13:10:47] 	no, you could make an extension that would do something on that hook
[13:11:09] 	03brion * r26271 10/trunk/extensions/LuceneSearch/LuceneSearch_body.php: 
[13:11:09] 	* (bug 278) Search results no longer highlight incorrect partial word matches
[13:11:09] 	for lucene search too...
[13:11:40] 	yes, exist an hook called ArticleSave, or something like
[13:12:01] 	03(FIXED) Search results highlight partial word matches - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278  +comment (10brion)
[13:12:53] 	03(FIXED) Unable to save result set (querybane) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1791  +comment (10brion)
[13:13:16] 	but on the function edit() there is an if statement, that not permit to do this...without redefining the class edit() ...
[13:13:18] 	VoiceOfAll: mebbe then
[13:16:01] 	06(LATER) Search within history of articles - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10643  +comment (10brion)
[13:19:06] 	brion-work: if one can hide file revision (stub shows in history), should they also be deletable like now?
[13:19:29] 	er?
[13:20:55] 	14(INVALID) External links with & in them break in an imagemap - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11504  +comment (10brion)
[13:22:16] 	brion-work: someone complained about an inconsistency wrt edit permission yesterday - if the user doesn't have edit permission, then he still sees an "edit" tab, but clicking it, is not even able to view source. If the page is protected (or permission is deinied by a UserCan hook), then the tab says "view source", and viewing source works. Even worde: if the user does not have edit rights generally, he can view souerce *only* on pages that 
[13:22:16] 	are protected, but not on "normal" pages. that's very odd.
[13:22:22] 	brion-work: if you use revisiondelete on an old image version, it's like rev_deleted; parts are greyed and slashed out like "comment removed"
[13:22:37] 	brion-work: wouldn't it make sense to handle all the cases the same, i.e. as view source, only changing hte messages shown above the edit field?
[13:22:59] 	but should you also still be able to archive single revs (which won't show in the page hist at all)?
[13:23:28] 	brion: thanks for fixing #278 :)
[13:23:51] 	Duesentrieb: make sure that's current, there were many changes recently
[13:24:13] 	brion-work: hm... ok, i'll check again.
[13:24:18] 	brion-work, rather.
[13:33:09] 	brion-work: seems to be fine with the latest version, sorry for the fuzz over nothing.
[13:33:14] 	does MW recognize Opera 9 as having seperate css? (is it the same as 7)?
[13:37:01] 	does anyone know how to remove the totle "main page" from this page ----> http://loopaustralia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[13:39:18] 	symode09: see faq
[13:39:30] 	kk :D
[13:39:34] 	thanx
[13:41:37] 	symode09: uh... the wikinews logo is (c) and (tm) by the Wikimedia Foundation. Do you have permission to use it?
[13:41:57] 	what's your relation to wikinews.org?
[13:41:59] 	nope, it is being used as a prototype for wikinews :)
[13:42:40] 	prototype what? is wikinews.org getting a new layout?
[13:43:01] 	we have been looking for one for a while
[13:43:07] 	the current one is crap
[13:43:23] 	so i am creating one, then will hold a vote for the initial concept
[13:43:27] 	symode09, i like the gumax layout (also the coloring.. but maybe a bit brighter)
[13:43:38] *symode09 	nods
[13:43:53] 	i actually was basing it around the whole www.abc.net.au/news theme
[13:43:59] 	I love that look :D
[13:44:19] 	good morning
[13:44:21] 	ping Duesentrieb
[13:44:39] 	Can anyone take a guess as to why opera ignores my margin: 0 1em; rule ? www.wiredtape.com
[13:45:05] 	:S
[13:45:06] 	misty_wrk: grr... i need to study :P i have been wasting too much time on irc today...
[13:45:29] 	symode09: it looks pretty, but it uses a fixed width approach. wich is Evil (tm).
[13:45:39] 	hehe
[13:45:42] 	symode09: don't do that. make it flow.
[13:45:43] 	Duesentrieb: well just put this on your to-do list :) I have confirmed a bug in CategoryTree
[13:46:05] 	if you delete a category, you have to log out and back in, for it to go out of the tree.  latest FF
[13:46:10] 	misty_wrk: put it on bugzilla, there's even a component set up for cat tree
[13:46:27] 	just wanted to check to see if it was something you already knew about / fixed
[13:46:41] 	misty_wrk: its related to one of the levels of caching. 
[13:46:48] 	oh ok
[13:46:50] 	so it is not your bug?
[13:46:55] 	Duesentrieb: I like it far more with the fixed width - there is no problem with resizing and open spaces and frankly, few people (if any) have monitors that small or, taskbars on the side of their screen that wide (which reminds me, does anyone have a taskbar on the side of their screen?)
[13:47:18] 	symode09, why do you ask?
[13:47:28] 	misty_wrk: well... it's not a bug per se - i simply choose to ignore that :) file it, maybe someone will fix it :)
[13:47:35] 	or me, in a couple of weeks/months
[13:47:36] 	03(NEW) Add a system messages for categories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11524 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (le.korrigan)
[13:47:38] 	will do, get back to work!!
[13:47:57] 	Wiredtape_Away: because i have never known anyone to use the taskbar on the side of their pc (i can understand apple)
[13:48:27] 	gah - cannot access MediaWiki.org...
[13:48:33] 	symode09: i have a taskbar on the side... and yes, small screens have become rare. people do use small windows though. and horizontal scrolling sucks a lot. if you *must* use fixed with, it should be no wider than 720px.
[13:48:37] 	which is pretty damn small.
[13:48:47] 	Well, i used to use stardocks dock thing.. and I now use a different one
[13:49:15] 	Duesentrieb: taskbar on the side of your screen O_o os/x ?
[13:49:16] 	symode09: i also know at least one more person with the bar on the side :) (i have on on the bottom and one on the side)
[13:49:22] 	O_o
[13:49:29] 	which os?
[13:49:33] 	symode09: no, linux/kde for me. the other one is windows.
[13:49:36] *symode09 	gets gun out
[13:49:47] 	we all know that osx is the best
[13:49:48] 	you can do that in windows, you know...
[13:49:56] 	i know :p
[13:50:04] 	don't see the advantage though
[13:50:41] 	symode09: i don't either. i have the normal stuff at the bottom. but i have my system monitor on the right.
[13:50:52] 	that would take to much space in the bottom bar.
[13:50:59] 	ah :)
[13:51:01] 	but i have a 1280x800 screen anyway
[13:51:04] 	all macs(hide) here have the dock at the right side :D
[13:51:10] 	Hello everyone. Got a weird problem with using short URLs. In 1.11. if i follow the directions, on login it tries to access the wikipage "Index.php" instead of actually calling the file.
[13:51:40] 	odb|fidel_: that is the dock and they are for the last few versions on the bottom, there is also a small menu at the top
[13:52:13] 	Showing the mainpage works, but as soon as you need something that accesses index.php for something, it breaks.
[13:52:23] 	symode09: i havent followed the full discussion....it was just an osx-input...triggered me somehow :D
[13:52:37] 	:p
[13:52:43] 	odb|fidel_: which os for you?
[13:52:45] 	nobody talk to Duesentrieb, he has to study ;)
[13:52:45] 	and right is the best position :D
[13:52:48] 	osx :D
[13:52:52] 	yay!
[13:52:57] *symode09 	huggles odb|fidel_
[13:52:58] 	hrhr
[13:53:05] *symode09 	gives odb|fidel_ a jar of cookies
[13:53:26] 	about 50 macs here i guess...still learning those macs special cases
[13:54:10] 	odb|fidel_: where are you?
[13:54:16] 	speaking of screen real estate and webpages, be aware that a lot of us with wide screens have taken advantage of the extra real estate by using sidebars in our browsers, so the browser real estate is roughly equivalent to standard screens
[13:54:19] 	germany why ?
[13:54:27] 	i mean to have 50 macs
[13:54:32] 	and you should not assume anyone is running at higher than 800x600, for purpose of web design
[13:54:35] 	at work
[13:54:37] 	:D
[13:54:39] 	ah :p
[13:54:47] 	editor of some sort?
[13:54:48] 	symode09: at home would be insane
[13:54:55] 	lol, i was thinking
[13:54:56] 	aaargh... I only have this one last thing to do and I am done with the design.. why won't opera budge 1em ? why !
[13:55:01] 	hi
[13:55:07] 	hey
[13:55:09] 	hahaha
[13:55:10] 	Wiredtape_Away: don't worry too much about opera
[13:55:14] 	where i can find a my.cnf for innodb?
[13:55:26] 	03(mod) Loading de: wikipedia watchlist causes Firefox to crash - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11522  (10brion)
[13:55:27] 	i need to fix performance of my mysql server
[13:55:30] 	asmarin: locate ?
[13:55:31] 	Wiredtape_Away: unless you actually know that a lot of your visitors are using opera
[13:55:46] 	just make sure your css and html are valid, opera will eventually comply better
[13:55:48] 	nope my.cnf example
[13:55:51] 	asmarin: try dev.mysql.com there are a few configs thre you can look at
[13:55:53] 	not /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[13:56:07] 	misty_wrk: yeah I agree... but it's such a small thing.. I wanted to fix it :)
[13:56:23] 	make a different stylesheet for opera and pull it in conditionally
[13:56:31] 	Wiredtape_Away: thats teh road to insanity... you never get it right on all browsers unless itis very very simple...
[13:56:39] 	hehe
[13:56:42] 	tell me about it
[13:56:50] 	odb|fidel_: i cannot guess whrere you work :s
[13:57:00] 	I had to do 5 designs in 2 weeks, i cant see css anymore for amonth.
[13:57:02] 	be aware that most opera users are on mobile devices, your site will look terrible if it is fixed width, in that case
[13:57:05] 	misty_wrk, that's what i did.. but it's just ignoring a margin: 0 1em;
[13:57:22] 	try using px rather than em
[13:57:27] 	i did
[13:57:35] 	or try specifying margin-right and margin-left
[13:58:09] 	tried as well :)
[13:58:24] 	Note: Netscape and IE give the body tag a default margin of  8px. Opera does not! Instead, Opera applies a default padding of 8px, so if one  wants to adjust the margin for an entire page and have it display correctly in  Opera, the body padding must be set as well!
[13:59:05] 	misty_wrk: thats why you should always set maring and padding to zero on the body and then use a div inside the body for specifics :)
[13:59:35] 	misty_wrk, simonmoon, unfortunately, i did that as well... :)
[14:00:08] 	Hmm, i havent really worked with opera. So i cant say, but does it maybe have a similar bug like IE did, with the wrong CSS model?
[14:00:22] 	Like includingmargin and padding wehn you set a width or height in the totals ?
[14:01:21] 	hmm.. I don't know.. that might be a smart thing to look at.. width is set to 100% but is incased inside a div.. which has a a different width...
[14:02:02] 	Wiredtape_Away: did you think of asking in #css? :)
[14:02:12] 	the thing is when you have a width value, i always use a second div for encapsulation or apply margins to something inside there
[14:02:31] 	misty_wrk, i tried...
[14:02:39] 	did you check this as well http://archive.webstandards.org/css/opera/widthdemo3b.html
[14:02:42] 	they are lame in there sometimes
[14:02:52] 	I did a google for 'opera margins css bug'
[14:04:16] 	Anyone got any idea what changed regarding "short urls" from 1.10. to 1.11. ? I just set up a 1.11. and used the same setup i used for 1.10. and now the pages are still readable over the short urls, but anything that needs the index.php for editing, login etc, it tries to read a wiki page "Index.php". I use it directly on the root of a webserver, wiki.domain.com/Main_Page
[14:04:18] 	misty_wrk is the widthdemo what came up?
[14:05:23] 	well obviously a bunch of things
[14:06:44] 	Hmm i shouldn't ask such questions so early in the morning :)
[14:07:18] 	People didnt have their IV injections of coffein yet... :)
[14:07:28] 	SimonMoon: I have not set up the short URLs yet :(
[14:08:17] 	If i try the thing in the short urls page, it throws 500 errors, the log says cant find it.
[14:08:26] 	SimonMoon, well.. I don't think it's about a change between 1.10 to 1.11, check your .htaccess files... this used to happen to me in the past (with 1.10)
[14:08:38] 	If i use the "old" method it works, but then comes that Index.php bug..
[14:08:53] 	I use the EXACT same setup
[14:09:08] 	I I tried upgrading one, then got the bug
[14:09:28] 	so, i did a fresh install, putin the htaccess and did the cahnge in the localsettings, same result.
[14:09:40] 	yeah... im still pretty sure it's a problem there... can you access index.php?title=main_page?
[14:10:01] 	good question, sec
[14:10:15] 	03raymond * r26272 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUpload.php: 
[14:10:15] 	* Do, what the comment already says:
[14:10:15] 	Don't bother the user with a warning about a previously deleted file if the file exists now, however.
[14:13:27] 	nope, does the same thing, tries to open "Index.php" page
[14:13:32] 	http://wiki.talkbase.org/Main_Page
[14:13:36] 	there, fresh install
[14:16:11] 	http://wiki.talkbase.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&printable=yes
[14:16:38] 	If you g there it thinks you want to print the "Index.php" page.
[14:17:01] 	I can't figure out whats the problem...
[14:19:30] 	03(mod) Whitespace should be fixed automatically - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11498  (10l8qjvx002)
[14:23:38] 	wtf, i need to change the filestructure according to make this work... there must have bene some changes that were significant regarding this then.
[14:30:43] 	03mkroetzsch * r26273 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_Types.php: check for invalid titles given as types
[14:34:34] 	03raymond * r26274 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:34:34] 	* Remove translations of 'edittools' from
[14:34:34] 	** li: surely no translation of the original en: message
[14:34:34] 	** wa: CharInsert extension is needed to make usage of 
[14:34:34] 	* Define 'edittools' message optional as it is not a visible part of the UI.
[14:35:28] 	hmm not evne that works now.. *sighs*
[14:45:56] 	ok found my culprit. http://www.organicdesign.co.nz/MediaWiki_1.11_title_extraction_bug 
[14:48:26] 	SimonMoon: are you User:Nad on organicdesign?
[14:49:02] 	jimbojw: No. But i just experienced the same bug. This will in effect cripple 9 of my wikis if i upgrade.
[14:49:27] 	i see
[14:50:10] 	And i know if i go and do the changes that will fix it, i will forget about them when its time to upgrade again and i will junk my wikis.
[14:50:48] 	well, the recommended solution, as always, is: DON'T PUT YOUR WIKI INTO THE DOCUMENT ROOT!
[14:51:12] 	Sure, but why? I mena you can do it with every other software... 
[14:51:53] 	03(mod) Whitespace should be fixed automatically - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11498  (10l8qjvx002)
[14:51:56] 	SimonMoon: no. if you have files and virtual page titles share the same namespace (i.e. url prefix), you get conflicts
[14:51:58] 	Got a link to a page that has all the good reasons already written up?
[14:51:59] 	with every software
[14:52:17] 	the short urls manual telly ou all about it
[14:52:29] 	Sure, but that is rather little. what we got there, robots.txt, favicon.ico, info.txt and maybe some sitemap url
[14:52:44] 	SimonMoon: plus all skin files. plus all uploaded files
[14:52:56] 	SimonMoon: plus any css or js an extension might be using
[14:53:05] 	why would they? i am using rewriting, which doesnt touch existing files
[14:53:12] 	plus entry points like thumb.php, api.php, etc
[14:53:24] 	again, that wont be touched as they are existing files..
[14:53:47] 	(and they start with a small letter which the wiki doesnt respond to)
[14:53:54] 	rewriting would intercept the request for the files. so you would not be able to access them. or you add rewrite conditions, so that the files go through
[14:54:01] 	in that case, be very sure to think of all files
[14:54:14] 	If file exists, do not rewrite.
[14:54:18] 	and don't try to create a page called README (or 20 other things) in your wiki
[14:54:29] 	yeah i know those. FAQ is a classic :)
[14:54:35] 	yep.
[14:54:47] 	it's *possible*, but it's prone to errors.
[14:55:05] 	redirect loops, all that shit
[14:55:17] 	Never had those. Until now.
[14:55:44] 	Worked all fine and dandy on 1.10. and now 1.11. in effect killed it.
[14:57:16] 	Personally, i just wonder if this is now "how it is" and i have to live with it, or if there is gonna be a patch in the forseeable future that fixes this.
[14:58:19] 	mh
[14:58:32] 	i am just migrating my old server to a new and upgrading in the meanwhile
[14:58:51] 	unfortunally it seems like i have done a small mistake with ...it looks like iso/utf
[14:59:12] 	any idea howto rename an article which has now broken letters in its name ?
[15:00:54] 	03mkroetzsch * r26276 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QueryPrinters.php: removed obsolete file
[15:02:04] 	seems like only the article names are affected
[15:02:25] 	so if it contains a german special char like Ü....its mis-displayed
[15:04:12] 	both mysql db's are latin1_swedish_ci
[15:15:33] 	03(NEW) Deleted categories continue to be cached until logout - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11525 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (misty)
[15:18:19] 	hello brion
[15:18:46] 	oy
[15:26:39] 	hello brion
[15:36:11] 	brion: I would like some SVCS in the wiki ツ
[15:36:50] 	??
[15:37:57] 	brion: I'm still afraid to commit ;)
[15:38:13] 	AzaTht: ?
[15:38:24] 	VoiceOfAll: :P oh just do it already ;)
[15:38:54] 	:D
[15:38:57] 	They'll only kill you if you break it
[15:39:14] 	Reedy_Boy: it changes quite a bit
[15:39:22] 	there is bound to be something unlikable
[15:39:30] 	How was that? Developing is like sex, you make one mistake and have to support it for the rest of your life?
[15:39:34] *VoiceOfAll 	hides from the revert stick
[15:40:02] 	it's a commit, not a choice!
[15:40:06] 	haha
[15:40:10] 	DOOO EEEETTT
[15:40:11] 	>:D
[15:41:41] 	CVS, the only thing you can commit to and take it back again instantly...
[15:43:01] 	.oO(SVN)
[15:43:35] *VoiceOfAll 	looks through the Lorwyn spoiler
[15:44:24] 	revert life! commit life! and marge lives with someone else!
[15:47:45] 	micaelzer: i would be all forthe diff function in life. Remove the parts you dont like...
[15:48:24] 	brion, you are aware of this bug with short urls? http://www.organicdesign.co.nz/MediaWiki_1.11_title_extraction_bug 
[15:48:53] 	ah good idea!
[15:48:55] 	03(mod) Deleted categories continue to be cached until logout - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11525  (10brion)
[15:49:22] 	SimonMoon: on my list
[15:50:02] 	puh thank god, this little piece of code stops me form upgrading 9 wikis and creating 3 new ones...
[15:52:24] 	brion-work: here goes nothing
[15:52:37] 	moo
[15:53:30] *Reedy_Boy 	pokes CIA-6 
[15:59:05] 	brion-lunch: watcha eaten'? :D
[16:01:56] 	VoiceOfAll, Procrastination gets you nowhere :P
[16:02:25] *Jack_Phoenix 	presumes brion's eating some n00bs ;-)
[16:03:03] *Reedy_Boy 	wonders if he is using chopsticks to eat the n00bs
[16:03:31] 	he eats codes with sauce!
[16:07:09] 	www.dreamhost.com - Is that ok for anyone?
[16:07:21] 	I want to know if its my connection being arsey, or their servers
[16:07:59] 	hm seems good, but just a adv
[16:08:00] 	that fat boy is OK
[16:08:04] 	Reedy_Boy: Your conection.
[16:08:06] 	Reedy_Boy: works for me
[16:08:16] 	ok
[16:08:17] 	cheers
[16:08:20] *Jack_Phoenix 	blames his lousy ISP...
[16:08:30] 	must...stab...someone...
[16:08:40] 	I can dns resolve it, and tracert to it..
[16:08:51] 	Just wont let me access the site
[16:09:08] *Reedy_Boy 	goes to poke his ISP
[16:09:14] 	use telnet :)
[16:11:00] 	I can SSH onto my hosting box..
[16:11:23] 	Just no http traffic
[16:11:26] 	hm check http proxy or something
[16:15:11] 	Are there decent email-address obfuscatation schemes available other than the EmailObfuscator extension listed on mediawiki.org?  And are there email address harvesters known to skim &action=raw pages to look for addresses in the unparsed source?
[16:15:35] 	Thank you
[16:15:35] 	Current average response time:1 hour 23 minutes 54 seconds 
[16:15:49] 	Thinkling: no and no
[16:16:25] 	MinuteElectron- that sounds like EmailObfuscator is the way to go... then I'll go debug and see why it's not working right for me. :) Thx.
[16:16:34] 	Thinkling: You're welcome, enjoy the rest of your day.
[16:16:52] 	-_-;
[16:20:13] 	micaelzer: -_-;?
[16:21:04] 	it's a kind of face mark
[16:23:17] 	ok
[16:25:38] 	time to bed. I only made 3 pages on my wiki today.
[16:25:54] 	long-long way to go :D
[16:25:56] 	~~
[16:27:09] 	how do you hide the contents of a page?
[16:27:46] 	symode09, in what way, from showing on the page?
[16:28:00] 	altogether on a single page, yes
[16:28:02] 	
[16:28:10] 	at the top?
[16:28:14] 	Could wrap them in the comment tags.. Then it wouldnt be shown
[16:28:15] 	No
[16:28:23] 	
[16:28:47] 	ah, ok, thanx
[16:28:49] 	:DD
[16:29:03] 	no probs
[16:29:50] 	Reedy_Boy: not working :(
[16:30:05] 	Should do...
[16:30:11] 	ill get the link
[16:30:26] 	ook
[16:30:39] 	http://loopaustralia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[16:31:59] 	My connection is being arsey it seems.. Wont load the link
[16:32:49] 	symode09, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAutoWikiBrowser%2FSandbox&diff=161588693&oldid=161378823
[16:32:52] 	Should work like that
[16:33:08] 	Minus the deletion at the bottom, as i just removed that as i'd finished with it
[16:33:13] 	kk, thanx :DD
[16:34:20] 	Reedy_Boy: when I mean the contents i don't mean the entire page, I mean the contents like at a front of a page
[16:34:30] 	oh
[16:34:36] 	As in index
[16:34:41] 	__NOTOC__
[16:34:42] 	I think
[16:34:46] 	As in table of contents?
[16:34:50] 	yes :)
[16:35:31] 	__NOTOC__
[16:35:44] 	at the top of a page? (I have no idea :s )
[16:35:50] 	i think, yeah
[16:36:00] 	kk, thanx :DD
[16:36:07] 	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Section#Table_of_contents_.28TOC.29
[16:36:52] 	perfect :DD
[16:36:57] *symode09 	gives Reedy_Boy a cookie
[16:37:06] 	:)
[16:39:00] 	hiho
[16:39:14] 	i have changed some MYSQL setting (min word lenght)
[16:39:27] 	i guess i should repair mysql table index now, right ?
[16:39:43] 	could you tell me which tables i really need to repair inside my mediawiki mysql DB ?
[16:40:15] 	searchindex
[16:40:16] 	hi there. I need to enable  and  and I gather these are not inbuilt or are they
[16:40:28] 	there is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php 
[16:40:30] 	flyingparchment: mysql> repair table wiki_abt_edv.searchindex;
[16:40:43] 	do I need to install this or is there a built-into MW version?
[16:40:56] 	i tried this way, but its wrong, cause it tried to access a table searchindex...
[16:41:17] 	emr solved
[16:42:34] 	juxo, You've got to download it (it would seem) and add a link to your localsettings.php
[16:44:43] 	juxo, http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Cite/Cite.php?view=co
[16:44:48] 	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Cite/Cite.i18n.php?view=co
[16:45:31] 	okays Reedy_Boy. Was just checking if it would be integrated into MW itself by now as it's such an obviously needed feature
[16:45:48] 	Probably in most cases, but not every case :)
[16:49:28] 	03mkroetzsch * r26277 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (5 files): 
[16:49:28] 	Initial code for on-demand loading of JavaScripts. Needs some testing. Thanks to Ittay Dror for getting me started on this with his patch for
[16:49:28] 	SMW0.7.
[17:02:31] 	anyone want a free license for a desktop bugzilla client? (http://almworks.com/deskzilla/overview.html)
[17:05:03] 	cute
[17:05:04] 	SPAMER SPAMER SPAMER KICKBAN KICKBAN KICKBAN! XD
[17:05:08] 	just kidding
[17:06:26] 	heh
[17:06:43] 	well i asked for a free license and they gave me one that i can redistribute (but it only works with our bugzilla)
[17:06:49] 	so i figured someone else might be interested ;)
[17:06:53] 	i know
[17:07:09] 	sounds cool
[17:09:40] <[reed]>	Does the MediaWiki team do any svn auto merging for Wikipedia? (merging one branch automagically to another branch that may have differences)
[17:10:05] 	what do you mean, for wikipedia?  wikipedia itself doesn't use svn for anything
[17:10:53] <[reed]>	ok, cool
[17:11:14] 	flyingparchment: I must go. Ping me later, I'd like to know what it does
[17:14:43] <[reed]>	flyingparchment: that's what I thought. Thanks!
[17:14:53] <[reed]>	(somebody else was claiming they were)
[17:15:26] 	a lot of stuff in our svn is obvious intended for wikipedia, of course.. but there's no wp svn repo or anything
[17:16:19] <[reed]>	flyingparchment: so, when all the WP locales are updated, how is that done?
[17:16:59] 	reed: the language files are just synced like anything else.  if a site has edited their messages (in the MediaWiki: namespace) there is no automatic synchronisation
[17:17:11] 	reed: we try to avoid any changes that would break things because of old, customised but non-updated messages
[17:17:13] <[reed]>	I mean the codebase
[17:17:20] 	language files are in the code
[17:17:26] 	hi all, i am not so experienced in mediawiki, on the server we use 1.6.10 because of php4, I realize that the user can create accout just to put his/her username (i.e. leave all other fields empty, also password), account is created, the user is able to login and edit pages....
[17:17:52] 	this is what i would like to avoid...
[17:17:59] <[reed]>	flyingparchment: ok, cool. That's again what I thought, but somebody else was telling me differently. :)
[17:18:31] 	reed: but individual sites can override the language files by editing pages on their wiki
[17:18:37] 	that's the part that isn't updated automatically
[17:19:57] 	i would like to configure mediawiki in this way: when creating account the user need to fill out all items, and after confirm it from his e-mail account...
[17:21:25] 	any hits, links, etc. welcomed! thanks a lot...
[17:24:22] 	hello
[17:24:33] 	i have an error with the Poem extension
[17:24:54] 	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_REQUIRE_ONCE in /var/www/html/wikilivres.info/mediawiki-1.10.1/LocalSettings.php on line 146
[17:25:01] 	i would like to thank all guys inhere for the good support last days.
[17:25:03] 	what's that?
[17:25:34] 	yannf: pastebin your localsettings with passwords removed
[17:25:47] 	migration worked almost perfect
[17:26:57] 	Cite extension works with require_once( $IP.'/extensions/Cite/Cite.php' );
[17:27:08] 	yannf: pastebin your localsettings with passwords removed
[17:27:18] 	ok
[17:27:25] 	it doesn't mater what the line says, it matters what the line before says and maybe before that
[17:29:57] 	http://pastebin.ca/721940
[17:30:26] 	yannf: Add a ; to the line before it.
[17:30:31] 	missing a ; on line 145
[17:30:45] 	too late
[17:30:52] 	ialex: :D
[17:31:11] 	arf; stupid, i am!
[17:31:20] 	no ! :)
[17:53:17] 	Is there someone here I can speak to about adminship on the test wiki?
[17:53:31] 	Hey all, this may be stupid, but I have pasted in some code that starts with three spaces (from a router config) to a wiki article, and mediawiki is trying to make a list out of it -- how can I suppress this?
[17:54:17] 	03(NEW) please make 'Wiktionary' the fallback for ' =?UTF-8?Q?Wikior=C3=B0ab=C3=B3k?=' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11526 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (a9502784)
[17:54:21] 	well, it's formatting it in a section with a dashed border -- not sure if "list" is the right word.
[17:54:27] 	gushi, three spaces shouldn't make a list. Starting a line with a space makes it a blockquote.
[17:54:32] 	yes, that's the one
[17:54:55] 	to stop it, place it in  tags
[17:55:21] 	or maybe 
 tags, as it's code...
[17:55:31] 	i'm not 100% how nowiki and pre interact
[17:55:37] 	
 still gives a dashed border
[17:55:44] 	go with nowiki, then
[17:55:46] 	or both
[17:56:06] 	pre implies nowiki, but starting with a space implies pre _without_ nowiki...
[17:56:11] 	...I think :-)
[17:56:16] 	will nowiki still respect carriage returns?
[17:56:53] 	I think nowiki treats CR like in normal text - i.e. 1 is ignored and 2 mean new para, but I'm not sure.
[17:57:00] 	Why not just do a test edit and find out?
[17:57:15] 	no it doesn't.
[17:57:18] 	damn.
[17:58:21] 	how do I specify a carriage return.
[17:59:24] 	I thought nowiki would respect carriage returns... odd. Take a look at how Wikipedia does code extracts (try [[C++]] or something).
[17:59:37] 	anyway, I have to go - i'm being nagged.
[17:59:39] 	bye
[18:00:06] 	03(mod) Change in Bengali Wikipedia {{SITENAME}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11111  (10bellayet)
[18:00:09] 	does anyone know how the blue pd border on the help guide as shown at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins
[18:01:01] 	Hrmm, [[C++]]...is there a list of such formatting codes?
[18:01:05] 	somewhere?
[18:02:20] 	03(NEW) Diff on page with one revision shows "Next" link to invalid diff - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11527 normal; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (innocentkiller)
[18:02:48] 	03(mod) Diff on page with one revision shows "Next" link to same diff - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11527  summary (10innocentkiller)
[18:05:33] 	Can anyone tell me where I can find out how to format a block of code?
[18:09:54] 	Hi guys, anyone of you know where to get info about hotlinking images of wikipedia.org? I got an e-mail from the wikimedia foundation that they will allow us to load the images from wikipedia.org if we agree to pay for the bandwidth. But for the technical aspects I was directed to mediawiki.org, the mailing list and this irc channel.
[18:10:19] 	Anyone knows where to find the info? http://wikipedia.ilse.nl already got this method up and running
[18:10:33] *symode09 	is off to bed, filming at 10am
[18:11:30] 	WebWizr: wikimedia tech channel is #wikimedia-tech.
[18:11:55] 	thanks NotACow
[18:13:02] 	Okay, this is getting rediculous.
[18:13:23] 	
 still causes indented code to be interpreted as a block quote.
[18:13:43] 	
 causes the 
 to be IGNORED.
[18:14:06] <^demon>	Well, the last function is intentional, as  causes *no* parsing inside of it.
[18:14:14] <^demon>	As far as I know...
[18:14:41] 	 = no wiki formatting whatsoever
[18:14:55] 	
some text
 works
[18:15:10] 	gushi: what do you actually want to do? just 
 should be enough for a block of code.
[18:15:22] 	Jack_Phoenix: 
 implies nowiki
[18:15:34] 	Jack_Phoenix: indentation doesn't
[18:15:49] 	meh - you know these things better than I do ;-)
[18:15:56] *Jack_Phoenix 	shuts up and goes back to browse MW.org
[18:16:04] 	that's why i'm being a smart ass :P
[18:18:05] 	
 won't show it in a nice code font, will it?
[18:18:50] 	gushi: "nice code font"? hm, you mean, syntax highliting?
[18:19:19] 	gushi, if you mean syntax highliting, one option is to use  rather than 
[18:19:37] 	03siebrand * r26278 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for extension Nuke in extension Translate.
[18:19:37] 	and you need an extension to use 
[18:19:53] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[18:20:16] 	!syntax
[18:20:16] 	For help with MediaWiki's Wikitext syntax, please see .
[18:20:26] 	hm, that's not it
[18:20:30] 	!highlight
[18:21:00] 	neither that
[18:21:10] 	!highlight is there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[18:21:10] 	Successfully added keyword: highlight
[18:21:23] 	Hojjat: now it is :)
[18:21:27] 	!highlight
[18:21:27] 	there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[18:21:38] 	better:
[18:21:47] 	!highlight | gushi 
[18:21:47] 	gushi : there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[18:21:50] 	:P
[18:22:49] 	!highlight is There are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[18:22:49] 	You don't have permission to do that.
[18:22:54] 	pity
[18:23:08] *Hojjat 	just wanted to make the "t" capitalized :(
[18:23:42] 	hm, let me see...
[18:23:47] 	!trust hojjat@wikimedia/Huji
[18:24:00] 	not sure if that did anything :)
[18:24:01] *Hojjat 	grins
[18:24:06] 	only amidaniel knows...
[18:24:21] 	Duesentrieb: not a problem. Just fix it yourself
[18:24:46] 	bah, who needs capitalization on irc?
[18:24:57] 	Cool.
[18:25:06] 	;)
[18:25:06] 	I think I'm going to have to install that.
[18:25:11] 	One other thing...
[18:25:44] 	Is there some way I'm missing to edit the titles of your auto-generated table of contents, as they appear in the contents?
[18:26:02] 	(i.e. so it is different from the actual heading name?)
[18:26:07] 	03siebrand * r26279 10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/SpecialNuke.i18n.php: 
[18:26:07] 	* Update message 'nuke-tools'
[18:26:07] 	* Add Dutch translation
[18:26:07] 	* Fix indentation
[18:27:19] 	gushi: no.
[18:28:07] 	So contests HAVE to be the same as the header name?
[18:28:38] 	gushi: the table of contents lists the headers, yes. that's how a toc works, generally...
[18:28:55] 	gushi: you can of course suppress the autho-generated on (use __NOTOC__) and write your own
[18:29:05] 	using [[#links]] with a #
[18:29:45] 	if you use 
 it automatically gets the right formatting
[18:29:59] 	at least i would think it should
[18:30:17] 	Enh...I'll just live with this.
[18:30:49] 	Sorry to repeat the question, but is there someone here I can speak to about adminship on the test wiki?
[18:31:07] 	not me :)
[18:31:19] *HappyDog 	grins
[18:32:11] 	HappyDog: look at Special:Listusers :)
[18:33:00] 	HappyDog: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&username=&group=bureaucrat&limit=50
[18:39:32] 	Cheers Duesentrieb.  I'm hassling robchurch as we speak :-)
[18:44:07] 	Hello! 
[18:48:15] 	We start a wiki and want to migrate our mysql user-table to mediawiki. Can anybody point me to the right direction importing users to mediawiki? 
[18:52:39] 	Hello. Just usiing the setup script. Can I change / add object cache settings later ? Rerun the setup script ? Edit the localsettings.php file ?
[18:58:14] 	Is there a way to include data into MW from a separate database?
[18:59:36] 	Atum24: you can change it later on in LocalSettings.php
[19:01:05] 	Atum24: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Cache
[19:02:37] 	let me rephrase the above question so that it is more wiki-like
[19:03:01] 	is there a possibility to transclude pages from other wikis?
[19:03:15] 	juxo ... thanks. So you can :)
[19:03:26] 	Atum24: np
[19:04:42] 	wow. the answer is open in my browser :)
[19:05:20] 	looking for Atum24's stuff I accidentally have "$wgEnableScaryTranscluding - Enable scary transclusion (transcluding from another wiki)" run across my eyes
[19:07:04] 	Hello I am from malayalam wikipedia (http://ml.wikipedia.org/). We have one problem regarding Special Upload page
[19:07:45] 	I placed my query in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk#Special_Upload_Pages_in_Malayalam_wikipedia
[19:08:02] 	Can some one help us
[19:11:00] 	Atum24: not-knowingly you helped me a lot :)
[19:11:49] 	14(DUP) "Next diff" link appearing with only one revision, "new messages " banner won't disappear - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8696  +comment (10brion)
[19:11:52] 	03(mod) Diff on page with one revision shows "Next" link to same diff - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11527  +comment (10brion)
[19:12:33] 	03david * r26280 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (21 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[19:12:33] 	Merged revisions 26248-26279 via svnmerge from
[19:12:33] 	svn+ssh://david@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3
[19:12:33] 	........
[19:12:33] 	 r26261 | aaron | 2007-09-30 13:33:06 -0700 (Sun, 30 Sep 2007) | 1 line
[19:12:34] 	 *Some fr translations (by Bertrand) (bug 11280, bug 11502)
[19:12:36] 	........
[19:12:39] 	Stupid question: How do I delete a page.  I tried looking through the help but as usual got a lot of WHY a page is deleted but not HOW TO DO IT.
[19:14:25] 	Just as though...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article Doesn't actually tell you HOW to create the article
[19:15:57] 	why isn't there a possibility to get all RC as a feed?
[19:16:11] 	would be great for very low volume wikis
[19:20:40] 	juxo ... God works in mysterious ways. Look up the meaning of "Atum" ;)
[19:22:10] 	Atum24: I have a feeling you could save me the google/wikipedia search
[19:22:38] 	How can I delete an article?
[19:22:47] 	I've got some orphaned ones that are just crap.
[19:24:24] 	...and why can't I find this in any faq, on wikipedia.org, mediawiki.org...google search....
[19:24:41] 	Even a page that says "don't delete pages"
[19:26:04] 	gushi: probably because there's a big button that says 'delete' if you're logged in w/ sysop account
[19:26:43] 	lol brion
[19:27:06] 	juxo ... in fact humans remain the most rich source of information. Google cannot do everything !
[19:29:26] 	brion-work: got any clue as to who to contact about extending http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEnableScaryTranscluding?
[19:29:55] 	Oh, there's the problem
[19:29:58] 	I'm not a sysop
[19:30:12] 	Which I guess is the next question
[19:30:12] 	juxo: extending how? generally, feature requests go to bugzilla
[19:30:23] 	How can I edit group membership
[19:30:33] 	gushi: the account you create dureing install has sysop and bereaucrat groups set
[19:30:58] 	gushi: if you are a bereaucrat, you can edit group membership of users by going to Special:Userrights
[19:31:15] 	Duseentrieb: I'm using remote_user auth.
[19:31:22] 	So I have to hack my way back in :)
[19:31:39] 	gushi: the faq tells you how to add rights manually
[19:32:39] 	juxo: i'm just leery of it :)
[19:32:42] 	well I've just got to tweak my account for a second so I can do so through the wiki :)
[19:33:56] 	Duesentrieb: well.. at consumeria we intend to compile some numerics (such as employability) for companies of the world in many langauges but once employability has been calculated (years of employment provided / million of ? of vested capital) we would have to copy-copy-copy it to all languages causing abhorrent redundancy
[19:35:14] 	so I'm looking for having something like [[Company X/Stats/2006/Revenue]] in some langauge and then the other languages just fetch it from there
[19:35:40] 	juxo: it sounds like it would be much nicer to maintain it in a database, and show data from there
[19:35:49] 	should be simple enough to write an extension to do it
[19:36:12] 	Duesentrieb: I was just about to say it looks like what I needs is a database
[19:36:14] 	there are also some extensions that can be used to directly access the database in a flexible way  - though i don't know whoe robust and/or secure they are
[19:36:39] 	Duesentrieb: any links to anything to move me forward?
[19:37:08] 	naw, dig around on mediawiki.org
[19:37:39] 	WikiData started off as this kind of feature, but it has become a fork/partial rewrite by now.
[19:38:41] 	03aaron * r26281 10/trunk/phase3/ (34 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[19:38:41] 	*Clean up deletion of revisions and remove some gaps
[19:38:41] 	*Allow blocking of users to hide names
[19:38:41] 	*Implement revision deletion for images/deleted files/deleted revs
[19:38:41] 	*Log deletion set off for now
[19:38:41] 	*Add 'hidden' file dir
[19:38:43] 	*Dissallow merging via undelete (which was inefficient and hard to reverse)
[19:38:58] 	brion-work: :)
[19:39:04] 	heh, it got cut off
[19:39:31] 	Revisiondelete stuff \o/
[19:40:19] 	ok, lets see how long till the revert stick comes
[19:40:29] 	lol VoA
[19:40:30] 	I guess what I really want is data entered into templates to get sucked into a separate db and then all languages can access that data via templates
[19:40:47] *brion-work 	sighs
[19:41:12] 	i'll update site to 26280 first
[19:41:27] 	< CIA-6> *Allow blocking of users to hide names
[19:41:31] 	what does that mean?
[19:41:47] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bitfields_for_rev_deleted
[19:43:52] 	03aaron * r26282 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialMergeHistory.php: *grr, autoprops not working
[19:44:52] 	Jack_Phoenix: ok, time to brace for hatemail
[19:44:56] *VoiceOfAll 	puts on the flamesuit
[19:45:06] 	noo...revisiondelete is good :D
[19:45:39] 	amidaniel: have fun with teh logs now
[19:46:23] 	juxo: never tried it, but sounds cool (and scary): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiDB
[19:47:00] 	Ahh, amidaniel! I wanted to speak to you about something.
[19:47:06] 	Is there a way to edit the toolbox sub-bar?
[19:47:06] 	amidaniel: Are you busy?
[19:47:17] 	gushi: no. it's dynamic
[19:47:32] 	gushi: you can edit the top box(es) though
[19:47:36] 	!sidebar
[19:47:36] 	To change links in navigation bar on the left, simply edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] in * list style. More details on .
[19:48:02] 	So how do I get more things to show up in it?
[19:48:11] 	read the page
[19:48:39] 	More things show up in the toolbox on, say, mediawiki.org than do on mine.
[19:48:46] 	VoiceOfAll: that's a lot of changes, including some changes of existing practice such as the change to history merges
[19:48:58] 	I mentioned that on the mailing list
[19:49:01] 	i don't have time to review it this week, and i think we're going to want to be prepared to explain to people how things have changed
[19:49:05] 	so i'm going to revert it for now
[19:49:27] 	Jack_Phoenix: I told you
[19:49:32] 	aww :(
[19:49:55] 	gushi: extensions can put stuff there i think. and it depends on options. and on the namespace, and on your permissions.
[19:50:09] 	Oh, okay
[19:50:15] 	Jack_Phoenix: maybe I should give up on this rev_deleted stuff
[19:50:25] 	I just figured toolbox would be the logical place to put links to the orphaned pages, etc.
[19:50:29] 	flaggedrevs is more important I guess
[19:50:38] 	03brion * r26283 10/trunk/phase3/ (34 files in 4 dirs): Revert r26281 for the moment. Big patch, changes several existing practices. Will want some public testing and more review before taking it to trunk.
[19:50:40] 	gushi: you can freely edit the other boxes though (the once above the search field). that's what the sidebar manual is about
[19:50:42] 	or maybe there might be a way to set a toolbar option per-user
[19:50:54] 	not easily, no.
[19:50:55] 	i.e. set toolbar items as a pref.
[19:50:57] 	Shit.
[19:51:05] 	VoiceOfAll: board & staff meeting this weekend/next week, need to have shit done for that. flaggedrevs is a fav for that crowd. :P
[19:51:24] 	personal toolsbar has been request a couple of times though. could be done, i suppose...
[19:51:35] 	doing it efficiently is another issue though
[19:51:43] 	i'd like to see rev_deleted done, but i don't want us ot break everything while we've got so many other eggs in the air :)
[19:52:09] 	brion-work: I'm just getting tired of merging updates manually with conflicts and what not
[19:52:18] 	on the wikipedia front, does anyone have any idea what their sustained bandwidth rate is?
[19:52:21] 	yeah i know :(
[19:52:22] 	and rob is waiting on me so he can do log changes
[19:52:35] 	gushi: 33K total requests per a second (aruond that)
[19:52:52] 	I'll go back to testing at amidaniel's site
[19:52:54] 	Oh I meant more along the lines of throughput
[19:52:58] 	gushi: 2Gbps
[19:53:00] 	gushi: No, it is now 35Krequests per a second
[19:53:04] 	might be good to do some piecemeal merges where it doesn't change existing functionality
[19:53:16] 	brion-work: lol, I tried that the first time
[19:53:19] 	peak is 3-4Gbps
[19:53:27] 	it made it more of a pain for you to revert ;)
[19:53:34] 	flyingparchment: Woah, Wikimedia shoves out 3 Gbps?
[19:53:35] 	hehe ;)
[19:53:43] 	Arright...is there some documentation as to how it's clustered?
[19:54:04] 	gushi: not really ;) - there is some but it is difficult to understand
[19:54:14] 	Duesentrieb: thanks. it looks very useful
[19:54:39] 	hello people, i need to do some newbie questions
[19:54:54] 	gushi: https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Main_Page
[19:54:57] 	LiveJournal does a lot of interesting things with their cluster, and documents it *okay* but it's nice to have a side by side comparison of how things work in once sense versus another.
[19:54:59] 	brion-work: at least now we have a state in trunk to test
[19:55:06] 	so people can "update to rev X" to try it
[19:55:07] 	yep!
[19:55:12] 	1° How can I edit the left menu bar ? and 2° How can i set up the wiki to block edit ?
[19:55:45] 	I want only staff users to edit, and common users read only
[19:56:09] 	gushi: for some quick overview, here's my slides from a presentation i gave recently: http://leuksman.com/images/e/e1/gatorjug-2007-09-12.pdf
[19:56:17] 	gushi: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers
[19:56:18] 	there's more detailed docs elsewhere
[19:56:26] 	gushi: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikimedia-servers-2006-05-09.svg
[19:58:09] 	Woops gotta run -- I'll be back by tonight. Sorry
[19:59:09] 	:@
[19:59:21] 	gushi: http://highscalability.com/wikimedia-architecture
[19:59:35] 	that website has a lot of architecture stuff of big websites
[20:05:43] 	someone there to help me pleasE?
[20:09:07] 	?
[20:09:10] 	@search
[20:09:10] 	Results: [download, extensions, faq, hidetoc, highlight, imagemap, multiplewiki, package, purge, rights, sidebar, subpages, subversion, support, syntax, tex, tias, upgrade, usergroups, welcome]
[20:09:22] 	!rights
[20:09:22] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[20:09:27] 	!rights toscanito
[20:09:27] 	You don't have permission to do that.
[20:09:40] 	thank you i see it
[20:09:40] 	!sidebar
[20:09:40] 	To change links in navigation bar on the left, simply edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] in * list style. More details on .
[20:09:50] 	ohh great
[20:09:54] 	I really appreciate
[20:10:04] 	you aren't the first person to ask those questions ;)
[20:10:20] 	04(REOPENED) External links with & in them break in an imagemap - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11504  +comment (10Prodego)
[20:10:49] 	hehehe
[20:11:23] 	Is there any useful tip you can give me ? I just want to put all my website content into a wiki engine to have everything well organized
[20:13:58] 	is mediawiki itself purely gpl:ed and only the contents on the mediawiki.org cc:ed?
[20:14:25] 	W1ZrD: he content on mw.org is GFDL unless it's in the Help namespace - that's Public Domain
[20:15:00] 	ok, but the actual server software, the wiki, that falls under gpl?
[20:15:01] 	toscanito: there are a number of good extensions out there that can make your MediaWiki install better - see [[Extension matrix]] on mediawiki.org
[20:15:13] 	W1ZrD: mediawiki is GPL 2
[20:15:22] 	ok, brilliant, thank's
[20:15:24] 	ok i go now
[20:15:25] 	np
[20:15:32] 	many many many thanks jim ! !
[20:15:44] 	np toscanito - buena suerte
[20:15:55] 	lol gracias 
[20:16:08] 	jimbojw: extensions aren't at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions ?
[20:16:17] 	ialex: that's fine too
[20:16:23] 	whichever
[20:16:39] 	Extension Matrix tells you what the extensions do, without making you go to each page
[20:16:49] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_matrix doesn't exist
[20:17:21] 	ah http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix :)
[20:17:35] 	ialex: try now ;)
[20:17:54] 	jimbojw: :)
[20:18:46] 	another good place to start looking for extensions are on the Special:Version page of popular mw installs - such as mediawiki.org or wikipedia
[20:19:05] 	you can pretty much guarantee that those will be good
[20:20:10] 	if not, there's a problem :)
[20:23:27] 	03brion * r26284 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * Compatibility with incorrectly detected old-style DJVU mime types
[20:23:51] 	03evan * r26285 10/trunk/extensions/SpecialForm/ (8 files): 
[20:23:51] 	Initial (well, OK, 0.2) version of Special:Form, a special page for
[20:23:51] 	creating new, structured pages according to an output template.
[20:24:13] 	hmm, is that a bot that keeps track of svn?
[20:27:48] 	ys
[20:28:04] 	interesting :)
[20:29:50] 	03raymond * r26286 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.i18n.php: 
[20:29:50] 	* (bug 11513) Update French translations
[20:29:50] 	 Patch by Bertrand GRONDIN (the part with corrections in existing messages only)
[20:37:34] 	someone please change the name for Template:Sample.wiki.
[20:37:45] 	cannot be checke out on windows.
[20:38:23] 	where
[20:38:45] 	flyingparchment: trunk/extensions/SpecialForm/Template:Sample.wiki
[20:42:05] 	03siebrand * r26287 10/trunk/extensions/SpecialForm/ (MediaWiki-Sample-form.wiki MediaWiki:Sample-form.wiki): Renamed. colon by dash. Could not check out on Windows.
[20:42:53] 	03siebrand * r26288 10/trunk/extensions/SpecialForm/ (Template-Sample.wiki Template:Sample.wiki): Renamed. Colon by dash. Could not be checked out on Windows.
[20:43:32] *siebrand 	grumbles.
[20:44:09] 	siebrand: colons in file names are a problem on linux too.
[20:44:21] 	Duesentrieb: ah, even better that I fixed it :)
[20:44:26] 	indeed
[20:44:26] 	they are?  why?
[20:44:39] 	flyingparchment: because they are conventionally used as path separators
[20:44:44] 	as in, $PATH
[20:44:46] 	TortoiseSVN is still a bit confused :(
[20:44:51] 	why would you put TEmplate:Sample.wiki in your path? :)
[20:44:52] 	not that the FS breaks or anything
[20:45:01] 	but... well, you just Don't :)
[20:45:42] 	all is well again :)
[20:51:10] 	brion-work, I'd like to write an extension to replace wfGetIP(), how would I jump in there?
[20:51:24] 	...
[20:51:56] 	evanpro: !
[20:51:58] 	whee
[20:52:04] 	Hello brion!
[20:52:07] 	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  (10alefzet)
[20:52:16] 	<-- there I am
[20:52:28] 	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  +comment (10alefzet)
[20:52:34] 	whereever you go, there you are
[20:52:40] 	yes
[20:52:44] 	That's more or less the case
[20:52:46] 	evanpro: hey evan :) 
[20:52:53] 	Hey Duesentrieb
[20:53:06] 	brion-work, well, I guess it's not intended to be replaced, right?
[20:53:32] 	i guess not leon ;)
[20:53:48] 	may i ask what the purpose of the ext is?
[20:53:52] 	evanpro: i met Kingsley Idehen of OpenLink (->Virtuodo) at a conference, and told him about the RDF stuff you wrote for mediawiki. He mumbeled something about "giving that guy a job"...
[20:54:05] 	* Virtuoso, that is. RDF DB engine
[20:54:58] 	LeonWP: it may be feasible to slip in a wfRunHooks() thingy
[20:55:03] 	03evan * r26289 10/trunk/extensions/SpecialForm/README: Change the documentation, if the names of the files changed.
[20:55:42] 	brion-work, well there's a campign in germanz for websites not to save ip adresse of their users, and they describe how to do it for mediawiki (they just add $ipchain = array("0.0.0.0") to that function)
[20:56:00] 	would just been neat to have an extension so users don't need to mess with the code
[20:56:35] 	or it could be a global switch for localsettings, hehe
[20:56:58] 	LeonWP: i would make ip blocks impossible - in that case, you probably want to disable anon editing. so, no ips would be recorded anyway.
[20:57:27] 	Duesentrieb: Hmm. I hadn't heard of Virtuoso before. It looks like a good store.
[20:57:50] 	I've been thinking about porting the RDF extension away from RAP and towards Redland, which has much better performance.
[20:57:53] 	evanpro: they pride themselfs to be quite fast :) nice guy, btw.
[20:58:47] 	evanpro: OpenLink supports the DBPediaproject (look into it, it's quite interresting). These guys are *very* interested to get more sematic info out of (and into) wikipedia.
[20:58:47] 	well good luck w/ that :)
[20:58:51] *brion 	wanders off for a bit
[20:58:51] 	Heh
[20:59:13] 	evanpro: talk to them if you have a chance - kingsley is even somtimes on irc here.
[21:00:21] 	Hmmm. dbpedia.org looks neat.
[21:01:07] 	OK, I gotta go for a run.
[21:04:05] 	03siebrand * r26290 10/trunk/extensions/ (9 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:04:05] 	* set property eol-style:native for SpecialForm
[21:04:05] 	* reindent SpecialForm.i18n.php
[21:04:05] 	* add partial Dutch translation for extension SpecialForm
[21:04:05] 	* add support for extension SpecialForm to extension Translate
[21:04:20] 	indentation nazi!
[21:04:49] 	flyingparchment: you have to if you're into i18n for mediawiki... Too many files, too many mistakes to be made if the file looks like shit..
[21:05:55] 	wow
[21:05:57] 	that was quick
[21:08:41] 	updating the devs about the existence of http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5678
[21:09:01] 	it's still a pain in the ass for many people
[21:09:32] 	please, fix it...
[21:09:47] 	03(mod) internationalization of the extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:10:07] 	think on the children
[21:10:36] 	See → http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5678
[21:10:43] 	it's still not fixed
[21:10:46] 	buäääääääääääääääää
[21:10:56] 	snyft
[21:11:03] 	>.>
[21:11:40] 	ST47: it's the big bug of big pain
[21:11:55] 	:(
[21:12:04] 	5678!
[21:12:09] 	Hi, all :) I've got a slight problem with interwiki linking. I'm editing my database, but the iw_url field is something called a "blob". How, in this case, do I set up my file? Also, i'm working with Scary Transcluding, and I've set iw_trans to 1, is that correct?
[21:15:49] 	ST47: I really want to ti get fixed
[21:16:01] 	a lot of people want the error to go away
[21:19:30] 	03raymond * r26291 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_cn.php MessagesKk_kz.php MessagesKk_tr.php): 
[21:19:30] 	* (bug 10367) Update Kazakh translations
[21:19:30] 	 Patch by AlefZet
[21:20:37] 	03(mod) Internationalization of the CheckUser log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513   +need-review; summary (10raimond.spekking)
[21:20:53] 	03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10367  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:25:38] 	03(NEW) Nested Tags Are Not Supported - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11528 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (david.sledge)
[21:25:56] 	that was to be a DUPE
[21:26:14] 	or a WONTFIXed DUPE
[21:27:40] 	goodnight
[21:31:16] 	14(DUP) Nested Tags Are Not Supported - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11528  +comment (10ssanbeg)
[21:31:20] 	03(mod) Recursive tags in extensions. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1310  +comment (10ssanbeg)
[21:34:48] 	03(mod) Internationalization of the CheckUser log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:37:19] 	14(INVALID) Delete tokipona wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11511  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:38:47] 	03(FIXED) Please unlock Wolof Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11512  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:43:43] 	03raymond * r26292 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Update German
[21:52:39] 	03(FIXED) please make 'Wiktionary' the fallback for ' =?UTF-8?Q?Wikior=C3=B0ab=C3=B3k?=' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11526  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:03:55] 	03(NEW) Error message when uploading files of the form file.exe. ogg is unhelpful. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11529 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (gmaxwell)
[22:15:50] 	03siebrand * r26293 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (11 files): 
[22:15:50] 	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[22:15:50] 	* bcl, cy, ext, fiu-vro, gan, hr, hsb, is, nl, sdc, tet.
[22:21:48] 	03(mod) please make 'Wiktionary' the fallback for ' =?UTF-8?Q?Wikior=C3=B0ab=C3=B3k?=' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11526  (10a9502784)
[22:24:51] 	03(FIXED) Correct syntax in robots.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11508  +comment (10brion)
[22:27:41] 	03siebrand * r26294 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
[22:27:41] 	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[22:27:41] 	* Fixes and additions to 5 extensions for ar, hsb, is.
[22:30:49] 	03(NEW) Add new syntax for suffixed wiki links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11530 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (trs80)
[22:46:31] 	when I set up my wiki I must have put in  a host name that the wiki knows itself as, it was a temporary host name, now I keep getting redirected to it instead of the now permanent host name
[22:46:49] 	how can I reset this?
[22:54:21] 	if I put the folder for mediawiki in /home/shawn/website/mediawiki, what would be the url for the wiki?
[22:55:52] 	hmm i have just installed mediawiki, and added $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; to LocalSettings.php, and everything worked nicely.. but than i just turned it to true to allow some users to register again, and i now randomly get an error about unexpected Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING in includes/Skin.php .. Since i havent changed any other peaces of the wiki.. and that this file obviously isnt wrong.. any
[22:55:59] 	ShawnRisk: chances are it
[22:56:15] 	'it'll be http://website.ext/mediawiki/
[22:56:26] 	nice
[22:56:43] 	and if I change the name of the folder after that is okay?
[22:56:47] 	but it highly depends on your apache config though
[22:57:27] 	not sure, im a mediawiki newb, but chances are some values are injected either in your LocalSettings.php or in the db that will need modifications when you move folders
[22:58:12] 	03(mod) Pages hard to read with handhelds (PDA, cell phone) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882  +comment (10wikipedia)
[23:00:37] 	03skierpage * r26295 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/INSTALL: 
[23:00:37] 	MediaWiki 1.10 now required; remove obsolete Parser.php modification; add upgradeing from 0.7 section;
[23:00:37] 	change attribute/relation to property.
[23:19:01] 	I am curious to know which name would showup in the history if I have an account?
[23:19:16] 	Also how do I make it so no guests can post on the wiki?
[23:21:06] 	
[23:21:18] 	Your username will show up in the edit history.
[23:22:16] 	that page didn't work
[23:23:36] 	if I have a user named Shawn can only that user edit its user page?  Like User:Shawn?
[23:29:39] 	ShawnRisk: no, anyone can edit it
[23:29:52] 	but how do I limit it?
[23:29:59] 	ah, you want to do it
[23:30:17] 	Well, it's possible, it's used with the monobook.js
[23:31:49] 	okay
[23:32:01] 	just one other thing can you delete something in the History?
[23:44:41] 	hi !
[23:45:19] 	i would like to edit the bottom bar where is write "last modification... powered by mediawiki etc.."
[23:45:28] 	i want to remove all the text and add some pictures
[23:45:36] 	which file i have to edit ?
[23:57:32] 	Duesentrieb: piong