[00:00:37] 03(mod) CAPTCHA should not show for reliable websites - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11585 +comment (10axel9891) [00:00:45] AaronSchulz: ther are four commits after that, but none of them affects my query [00:01:08] AaronSchulz: the thing is, mDestWarningAck is only ever used in a boolean context. [00:01:15] AaronSchulz: so why use getText? [00:05:46] ok, here's another one [00:06:11] 03aaron * r26469 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: *hook error [00:06:13] PReferencesForm::savePreferences calls PreferencesForm::validateTimeZone with three arguments, but the method is only defined with one [00:07:17] SpecialPreferences.php, line 283 [00:07:20] shall i bugreport it? [00:10:10] *NotACow puts them into her "things to do later" list and goes back to converting code [00:10:57] http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/moniker42/thinkapple-1.png [00:15:57] hm. [00:16:13] mediawiki support timezones with fractional hourdiffs, right? [00:26:19] 03greg * r26470 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount.pg.sql: Set default for acr_deleted, as code sometimes inserts a null. [01:24:14] 03(mod) Support global (crosswiki) blocking - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 +comment (10thogol) [01:29:07] why cant robchurch explain his actions? [01:30:56] He can. He just doesn't always see the need to. [01:34:05] 03(mod) Support global (crosswiki) blocking - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 (10cbrown1023) [01:36:49] brion-office: there is some overlapping text in bugzilla, the "Add an attachement" row [01:37:36] "etc." overlaps "hide" [01:39:35] Maybe you want to bother someone other than the lead developer about interface quirks in Bugzilla? [01:43:58] 03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [01:49:39] !ask is Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc [01:49:39] You don't have permission to do that. [01:49:53] Well, you're a stupid bot, then. [01:49:55] *Simetrical kicks it [02:29:21] Hi, Can I upload SVG files on MediaWiki 1.11.0? [02:30:00] OsamaK, it has to be configured to allow that. Generally some external software is needed, I think. Never done it myself. [02:31:32] Simetrical, does it need change MediaWiki page? [02:31:39] OsamaK, what? [02:31:53] as [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] [02:32:03] No you have to change localsettings.php [02:32:43] mmm [02:32:58] is there a page for helping? [02:33:48] um, I don't know I can get what you have to change give me a second [02:35:05] OsamaK http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php#Image_uploads [02:36:01] nice, thanks Simonkoldyk [02:44:25] !ask is Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc [02:44:25] Keyword "ask" already exists. Use "!ask del" to remove it. [02:44:31] !ask [02:44:31] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [02:44:34] !ask del [02:44:34] Successfully removed keyword: ask [02:44:37] !ask is Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc [02:44:37] Successfully added keyword: ask [02:45:31] yay! under 500 errors! [02:46:10] MZMcBride, I stole that from #mysql. I didn't realize there was already a message, but the new one is better anyway. [02:46:29] ok [02:47:45] NotACow: T-500 till runnable? [03:02:36] AaronSchulz: runnable? ha. [03:02:48] AaronSchulz: the goal right now is compilable :) [03:03:00] AaronSchulz: not to mention i still have a number of modules to go even after i finish this group [03:09:29] :/ [03:09:33] 03aaron * r26471 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (3 files): *sigh* [03:13:04] 03(NEW) Add SkinTemplateTabs hook for comments tab on en.wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11586 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (zach) [03:26:22] 03aaron * r26472 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: *Fix bug over null edits [03:30:19] AaronSchulz: once i get all the moduels in and compilable, then i can start refactoring :) [03:45:26] 345 errors [04:08:41] 04(REOPENED) Problems when trying to save edits in general - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11573 +comment (10doubina) [04:16:34] Anyone else having difficulties with update.php all of a sudden? [04:16:49] Seems to be dying on require_once ( "commandLine.inc" ); [04:23:47] bletch .. problem was on my end [04:32:03] 194 errors [04:32:11] heh .. making progress :) [05:05:44] 98 errors [05:05:55] *amidaniel feeds NotACow some apple pie [05:08:38] GRAR. REFLECTION. [05:44:12] whee [05:44:14] zero errors [05:44:19] of course, now i have to turn off the filter [05:44:24] after which i will have a lot of errors :) [05:44:44] 4603, to be precise. [06:15:42] 4355, and i'm going to bed [06:23:20] I'm writing the extension 'Bibwiki' and after upgrading my mediawiki installation from 1.8 to 1.11 self-defined globals are empty in the SpecialPage member functions. I don't have any clue why and what to do... [06:44:12] wijaa: Have you included the "global $wgGlobalName;" line? [07:20:04] @TheFearow: no, I havn't [07:22:35] Where should I use it? At the global section in every function? [07:28:24] Does anyone know were I can find easy to follow instructions on how I can change the defult look of mediawiki? [07:30:12] !skins | appen [07:30:12] appen: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins [07:30:23] thankyou [07:33:58] It's time for everyones favourite game, bug the developers! [07:34:10] Duesentrieb_: Goodmorning, do you have a few minutes? [07:37:44] I'll take that as a no... [07:38:12] amidaniel: ahh, I have caught you online for once when I remember my question. [07:38:20] What is the status of SignDocument? [07:38:21] MinuteElectron: sorry, reading mail. and gotta get back to the textbook, exam tomorrow [07:38:30] Duesentrieb_: Ahh, ok. [07:39:18] i should probably actually turn off my computer - it conly distracts me. I should name it "procrastinator" [07:39:33] That happens to me a lot. [07:40:05] IRC is my biggest mennace. [07:41:32] It is the most useful tool on the internet - but at the same time it causes thousands of developers to waste hours. [07:52:40] hello, is there a parameter to set for the software to accept mismatching number of
and
in a template? [07:59:31] *MinuteElectron is hungry. [07:59:44] *MinuteElectron hopes there is a developer available when he returns. [08:06:14] hmm [08:06:54] pabix: You need to enable HTMLTidy, but that requires HTMLTidy to be installed [08:08:53] MinuteElectron, thank you [08:09:03] pabix: You're welcome, enjoy the rest of your day. [08:28:21] MinuteElectron: Sorry .. was AFK. Haven't put any work into it in a while, probably should fix her up someday soon [08:28:24] Why do you ask? [08:28:41] I had a test of it running. [08:29:00] Oh. And? [08:29:12] I was just interested.... :S [08:29:27] Lol. No, I mean what did your tests reveal? :)) [08:29:35] ? [08:29:45] Ahh, [08:29:46] bletch nevermind :) [08:29:52] I don't think it worked. [08:30:01] But anyway, I think it is still live. [08:30:10] I will have to look into it. [08:30:23] Aha ... so uhh not that successful then .. hehe ;) [08:30:29] :P [08:31:37] I gotta go run and find food and something other than ECE to occupy my mind for the next ten minutes :) [08:31:40] take cara [08:31:45] later [08:48:28] *MinuteElectron leaves subversion and imagemagick to compile and looks for some developers. [08:50:13] *Nikerabbit stares back [08:50:22] Nikerabbit: :) [08:50:35] Nikerabbit: Are you in the mood to submit a patch? [08:50:47] test [08:50:49] Hello [08:50:56] MinuteElectron: no :< [08:51:05] :| [08:51:15] going to see my grandparents soon [08:51:23] cool [08:52:01] Hello all. I'm rather new to IRC so if I do something incorrect, please tell me. [08:52:01] Hello all. I'm rather new to IRC so if I do something incorrect, please tell me. [08:52:28] I am settting up a mediawiki and I need it to be private access [08:53:24] I was considering an .htpasswd, but a proper mediawiki call would be smarter, I think. [08:53:52] Basically, I plan on using *MediaWiki as an extranet* [08:55:58] what is the absolute maximum page size? [08:57:36] Zach: depends on the server configuration [08:58:03] on the db? [08:58:06] $wgMaxArticleSize = 2048; # Maximum article size in kilobytes [08:58:14] oh ok [08:58:24] that answers my question, thanks [08:59:48] 03wegge * r26473 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDa.php: Updated translations for da [09:21:29] The subversin server is broken. [09:21:42] no it isn't [09:37:36] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Sandbox [09:40:09] :( [09:45:29] Hi, I've been told to make certain templates to work, that I have to activate the parameter HTMLtidy, where do I find it ? [09:45:45] *Werdna stabs minute [09:46:48] Anyone around to solve a small problem? [09:47:09] We're trying to link to http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%27%277th_Heaven%27%27_television_series_comes_to_an_end and due to the two apostrophees, we cant link to it. [09:47:14] Werdna: ow. [09:47:30] Werdna: are you in the mood to commit a patch? [09:47:59] No0one around to play puzzle the devs with [09:48:09] guess not [09:48:40] get to work on my 193+KB list of articles needing archiving [09:48:57] Duesentrieb_: You here? [09:49:27] minute: maybe. I'm working on devanywhere right now, but point me to the bug and I'll add it to my todo list. [09:49:48] 11574 [09:50:48] :) [09:51:01] Werdna: Devanywhere? That sounds interesting :) [09:51:15] TheFearow: http://www.devanywhere.com [09:51:51] someone in the mood to commit three small patches? :) [09:52:13] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11581 , http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11579 and http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11582 is what I'm talking about ;) [09:52:55] *Werdna hides behind Project.php [09:53:18] Werdna: Looks good! [09:53:37] Hmmm, is it open source? [09:53:46] no. [09:53:51] it's free beer. [09:54:27] Still good :) [09:56:27] Werdna: How many people work on it? [09:59:27] TheFearow: just me. [09:59:33] it's entirely my own work. [09:59:38] except the editor, which is attributed. [10:00:02] Werdna: Well I love it :) Fantastic work, and I will use it :) [10:01:03] thanks [10:01:17] Does your PHP setup allow you to run shell commands etc? And/or do you have access to install compilers on your server? If so I wrote a small JDK interface for Java to auto compile and show any compilation errors, which I could convert to PHP if you were interested [10:01:43] yes, it's a VPS, so I have root on the server [10:02:31] Yes, I frequently shell out, and there's already a hooking system for checking code syntax - so a syntax-checking mechanism for java would be welcome, as I currently support only php and perl in terms of syntax checking. [10:04:18] No I mean something like you click "compile", and it compiles code and warns of any compile errors (including things that a syntax checker cant find). You could also make it underline bits of code that had compile errors etc, wouldnt be too hard to extract. [10:04:50] And i'd attempt a java syntax checker, it'd make it alot more useful for me especially [10:06:39] I wrote it to test how Eclipse does it [10:29:00] hi [10:30:53] How to make a link to a category page? This [[Category:Example]] of course won't work. [10:31:17] [[:Category:Example]] [10:31:26] ah [10:31:35] same for Image, btw [10:31:36] thanks Duesentrieb [10:31:50] np [10:31:55] :) [10:32:53] 03(NEW) Finnish (fi) i18n for Nuke exension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11587 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Nuke; (wikia.jack) [10:32:57] \o/ [10:36:54] Hello All [10:37:10] how can i create a new group in Wiki? customized group [10:41:25] ?? [10:41:33] r u all sleeping? [10:48:58] I just love notepad2...UTF-8 encoding by default, doesn't add BOMs...^_^ [10:50:23] i fall in love gvim's diff engine [10:50:37] how can i create a new group in Wiki? customized group [10:50:50] RTFM... [10:50:57] "FAQ: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ" [10:50:59] -topic [10:58:18] Jack_Phoenix: Yeah, I use notepad++ and Notepad2 as my text editors. Usually I use Notepad++ because of its tabs, but occasionally I need some of the specialiased features of notepad2. [10:58:35] I wish someone would submit my patches though. [10:58:45] I used to use notepad++ but...stupid BOMs >:| [10:58:52] yeah [10:59:13] and I have a couple easy patches too, someone needs to commit those after your patches ;) [10:59:26] *Jack_Phoenix looks around for possible vict...developers [11:00:07] Jack_Phoenix: BOMs? [11:00:16] and what're the specialised features in notepad2 that you use? [11:00:22] [[w:Byte-order mark]]s [11:01:19] very annoying...had to submit my simple patch 5 times to get the encoding right WITHOUT BOMs... [11:06:34] Werdna: It has a long line marker. [11:06:53] and is *very* clean. [11:07:03] a BOM in UTF-8 is pointless anyway, why would it do that? [11:07:21] I love the way my code can look shit in notepad++ but beautiful in notepad2. [11:07:32] *Werdna pokes domas [11:08:45] Werdna: He isn't in here. [11:34:09] 14(DUP) Special upload page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11565 +comment (10dungodung) [11:34:16] 03(mod) Special Upload pages in Malayalam Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11538 (10dungodung) [11:34:28] :) [11:46:46] woooohoooo [11:47:00] I just wasted all morning upgrading my subversion client and now it works. [11:47:59] minute: congrats [11:48:18] *VasilievVV spent his morining writing TitleBlacklist extension [11:48:31] VasilievVV: cool [11:50:15] That should have so been made years ago. [11:50:33] minute: I've done it, but currently it uses only 'titleblacklist' message on local wiki [11:51:03] *VasilievVV thinks he should allow it to use pages on other wikis like SpamBlacklist do [11:51:16] possibly [11:56:48] Ok, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:VasilievVV/title_blacklist [11:58:57] VasilievVV: Looks good, you should get SVN access. [11:59:09] Hm... [12:06:14] ewwww [12:07:40] interface messages are that: interface messages [12:07:52] they are certainly not configuration areas. [12:07:55] is there any way to force wikipedia to re-render TeX images? [12:08:04] $wgCacheEpoch, I think [12:08:37] like this one has weird extra-bold brackets and an odd \implies arrow: http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/9/4/f94998873f0f2d604cfca6a51203a9da.png [12:08:58] compare to the properly-rendered http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/a/9/9a937dce59b9ae99164efed2ab8df420.png [12:08:59] Werdna: you think? AFAIK it's sometimes used for storing site configuration [12:09:00] oh right, wikipedia [12:09:08] VasilievVV: by what? [12:09:18] jacobolus: try purging an article using it. [12:09:51] Werdna: because edit MediaWiki: messages is much easier than edit configuration files [12:10:23] that didn't seem to do anything [12:10:40] but maybe it just re-rendered it the wrong way again? [12:10:48] Werdna: also, Wikimedia uses them to store local spam blacklists [12:10:58] VasilievVV: yeah, but we don't use MediaWiki:Blockedusers to list blocked users, do we? [12:11:01] jacobolus: not sure if it's possible to purge tex imageas... ask on #wikimedia-tech though [12:11:13] okay, will do [12:11:17] VasilievVV: case of a developer who either didn't have the time, or was too lazy to do it properly. In reality, that should be done in a db table IMO [12:11:25] jacobolus: the simples whay is to change the formula - insert a zero-wdith-space or something [12:11:38] Duesentrieb_: yeah, i can try that :0 [12:11:41] :) rather [12:12:42] maybe even a regular space does - tex ignores it, but it would change the hash used for the render cache. unless it first normalizes the formula [12:12:50] Hey, how do I hide the tagline on our wiki? The tagline in English: "From Wikipedia... the free Encyclopaedia..." [12:12:59] Werdna: you can imagine which size will have message like MediaWiki:Blockedusers on enwiki? As I can expect title blacklist won't be ever big [12:12:59] Duesentrieb_: is there any reason that those bold brackets are used? [12:13:07] Duesentrieb_: it seems to happen w/o reason [12:13:12] no idea [12:13:30] Adriaan_: you can *change* it easily enough. search for it on Special:Allmessages [12:13:44] If I just empty MediaWiki:Tagline, then it will effect all skins :/ not so? [12:14:24] Other wiki's still have the MediaWiki-message, it's just hidden by some common.js or something, but I don't know where... [12:14:42] Adriaan_: the tagline should be hidden per default, using css [12:14:53] So in common.css then? [12:14:59] if you want all skins, yes [12:15:02] Duesentrieb_: i got it to render wrong in a slightly different way than the last one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/6/5/8/658b5937d72deeb1f8adacee43b1bfe8.png [12:15:06] Ok [12:15:07] Duesentrieb_: progress! [12:15:10] Thanks everybody! [12:15:15] Adriaan_: MediaWiki:common.css that is [12:15:23] Right ; ) [12:15:54] Adriaan_: people tend to want to change the file :) [12:16:05] Werdna: okay, imagine that SpamBlacklist uses table for storing blacklist regexes. How will it split global regexes and local regexes for meta? [12:16:10] Yeah. Ok, but what do I add to common.css to hide the message? [12:16:53] If someone is French they can decipher it here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [12:17:11] Duesentrieb_: that's annoying. it just seems to render the matrices wrong about 2/3 the time [12:17:34] Duesentrieb_: so i can just try adding zero-width spaces in different spots until it renders right, and repeat for each image [12:17:41] Duesentrieb_: but that's kind of a nasty workaround [12:18:00] VasilievVV: I don't know what you mean by "global regexes and local regexes for meta". [12:18:27] jacobolus: well, it indicates a bug in tex, or in texvc - perhaps report it [12:18:39] Global regexes - it's for global blacklist that works for all Wikimedia wikis [12:18:57] Duesentrieb_: want to commit a few simple patches? I'm talking about http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11581 , http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11579 and http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11582 :) [12:19:01] Local regexes - local blacklist that works only for Meta [12:19:15] Jack_Phoenix: nope. exam tomorrow. gotta get back to the books [12:19:29] good luck Duesentrieb_ then [12:19:31] okay, I understand and I'll try to find someone else to poke ;-) [12:19:34] thanks :) [12:19:41] good luck [12:19:52] VasilievVV: here's the necessary table defs: [12:20:14] Duesentrieb_: yep. just asked :) [12:21:04] create table spam_blacklist (sb_regex shortblob not null, sb_added_by bigint not null, sb_added_date char(10) not null, sb_local int(1) not null default 0, unique index (sb_regex), key (sb_added_by), key (sb_local) ); [12:21:31] add a thing similar to gen=js for allowing other sites to query the spamblacklist, which can be switched on and off [12:22:25] Werdna: the advantage of storing blacklist in pages is: we can create as much blacklists as we want. E.g.: for all sites, for meta sites, for internal sites, for Wikipedia, etc. [12:22:42] and create a Special:SpamBlacklist page, which allows you to manage them all [12:22:50] VasilievVV: Do explain. [12:23:07] and then explain how it's utterly impossible with a series of database tables. [12:23:27] It's possible [12:23:56] my point is that anything that has configuration via an interface message can be set up far better with a native system [12:24:45] Just replace "sb_local int(1) not null default 0" with "sb_type shortblob not null default 'local'" [12:24:57] But I agree with you [12:28:09] How do I move the [edit]-link directly after the subheading, rather than having it at the far right? [12:28:32] Adriaan_: afaik it's done using CSS [12:28:50] Okay, thanks [12:28:59] One sec [12:29:12] unfortunately, lots of people save time, myself included, by configuring it with an interface message [12:29:26] i.e. autoblock-exempt list [12:29:46] and that's how MW gets its "hacky" feel to it [12:31:21] Werdna: OK, so who will rewrite code that uses messages for configuration? [12:31:38] and therein lies the problem ;) [12:31:54] Hi! [12:32:18] Is anybody French in here? [12:32:23] for now, my approximate advice is: "If you've got the time, go the extra mile to make the interface nice. It'll make MediaWiki better" [12:32:39] Adriaan_: Je parle un peu le francais, pourquoi? [12:32:53] I have a simple question - i hope there is a simple answer ;) [12:32:53] Is there an easy way to add math/latex ? [12:32:54] Werdna, I don't speak French, but I want you to help me with something [12:33:14] go on. [12:33:26] Werdna: In http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css, which part makes indented comments on talk pages (with : ) appear as they do on French Wikipedia (with the lines decoration, etc) [12:33:32] Adriaan_: I think you need following CSS: .editsection { float: left; } [12:33:45] thanks [12:34:36] *VasilievVV has to go [12:35:34] Anybody, how do I also make the [edit] links in a smaller font? Lol sorry for all the queries... almost done! [12:35:51] Hmm [12:36:12] Can anybody explain me how to add latex/math support to my wiki ? [12:36:19] Now with the .editsection { float: left; } it places the link on the left of the heading; I want it on the right of the heading, but direclty afterwards, not at the end of the line... [12:36:31] Adriaan_: can you link an example of where it's done? (the indented stuff) [12:36:40] Wedna: okay [12:36:44] as for making them smaller, try font-size: 0.8em; after float: left; [12:36:48] Maybe "float: none"? [12:36:59] one second [12:37:02] Werdna: see the comments on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_MediaWiki:Common.css [12:37:15] VasilievVV: okay I'll try that now ; ) [12:37:29] I'm still a bit nooby [12:38:14] VasilievVV: not working :/ [12:40:12] Adriaan_: in HTML [edit] link is written before heading itself [12:40:48] VasilievVV: ok, but how do I then make it appear after the heading? Because some wiki's (like fr.Wikipedia) does it... [12:41:05] I think no way [12:41:06] maybe with js? [12:41:22] Ok [12:41:32] Only maybe with another ugly JS hack [12:41:58] ok [12:42:01] Ok, bye [12:42:09] I found it. [12:42:32] "Correction des titres qui s'affichent mal en raison de limitations dues à MediaWiki.: The function looks for , and move them [12:42:35] at the end of their parent and display them inline in small font. [12:42:37] var oldEditsectionLinks=true disables the function. [12:42:40] " [12:42:46] search for setModifySectionStyle in http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js [12:44:42] Ok thanks! [12:47:10] Werdna: Found the thing about the comments yet? [12:47:25] no, something weird is doing it. [12:48:01] Ok [12:48:35] hi, is there any chance on running current stable release with 16MB script memory limit? [12:48:53] dunno. try it. [12:50:30] It does not work, I have already tried of course :), I am just seeking some "hack" to run it [12:51:20] get a higher memory limit ;) [12:52:01] Oh, what a precious advice :) [12:55:05] what latex plugin is installed in wikipedia? [13:02:44] 03greg * r26475 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php: Pretty sure this was supposed to match the line below it. [13:07:20] 03(NEW) List type queries treat empty datasets inconsistently - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11588 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (stephen.bain) [13:12:42] Thanks everybody for your help! Our Wikipedia looks MUCH better now ; ) [13:12:47] :P [13:12:50] MediaWiki :P [13:13:52] *Jack_Phoenix cannot understand why people say "WikiMedia" when they speak (or try to speak) of the software...the software is MediaWiki, and the foundation is Wikimedia and there is no "WikiMedia"... [13:14:28] What? Did I make a mistake? :o [13:15:26] Jack_Phoenix: that's a bit pedantic and condescending. [13:15:37] yes, the names are often confused [13:15:46] that's because they sound the same, and one is basically the other one reversed [13:15:51] deal with it, we know what they mean. [13:15:53] 03greg * r26476 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php: Revert: gotta stop editing early in the morning. [13:16:02] and if you can't understand what people are talking about, you're an idiot. [13:17:18] 03(NEW) AjaxShowEditors extension is broken in MediaWiki 1.11 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11589 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (wikia.jack) [13:27:25] For the texvc requirement, am I OK if I install tex4ht? [13:28:30] dunno, try it [13:31:33] now, who wants to fix bug 11589? :) [13:33:05] the patch looks sensible ,but I'm not familiar with hooks, and thus uncomfortable with applying it [13:33:23] Werdna: would you like to apply my patch? :) [13:33:30] I'm not familiar with hook either, but it seemed to work on test.jackphoenix.com ;) [13:33:43] minute: link. [13:33:50] that's what I'm worried about, Jack_Phoenix [13:34:06] Werdna: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11574 [13:34:12] I understand that...well, that's the reason I put need-review keyword there :P [13:34:17] if you don't understand it, and you're just blindly adding 'return true', because it needs to return SOMETHING, then somebody familiar with it should check it. [13:35:29] minute: looking [13:35:44] hi, may someone describe to me contemporary process of mediawiki localization? [13:36:26] minute: have you tested it? [13:36:57] shit [13:37:01] how could you tel? [13:37:20] sorry :( [13:37:27] np [13:37:33] I was seeing if I should test it myself [13:37:34] moment [13:37:40] ok [13:37:58] I thought it was too simple to need testing, but probably nothing is with mediaWiki. [13:40:18] *minute hopes his credibility isn't tarnished. [13:41:33] oh chillax [13:41:36] I've done much worse [13:42:01] like asking tim to review hundred-line patches without testing them [13:42:09] rofl [13:43:21] mind you, there were only two mistakes [13:43:22] but still [13:43:35] he was not amused to see missing semicolons on a patch that was supposed to be ready to commit [13:43:49] :P [13:45:46] meh, seems to work ok [13:45:57] :) [13:46:38] just ok? [13:47:41] how shall I credit you? [13:48:02] Werdna: Patch by MinuteElectron. will do - or something like that. [13:48:26] sure you don't want your real name there? :P [13:49:02] Thanks, but no: I prefer to remain anonymous. [13:49:50] 03werdna * r26477 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add an interface message loginstart, which, similarly to loginend, appears just before the login form. Patch by MinuteElectron [13:49:58] \o/ [13:49:59] thanks [13:50:01] crap! RELEASE-NOTES! [13:50:07] :P [13:51:42] 03werdna * r26478 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: I fail at RELEASE-NOTES. ALso, that was bug 11574 [13:52:01] 03(FIXED) Message at beginning of userlogin page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11574 -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Andrew) [13:52:03] and now it is bed time [13:52:14] g'night [13:52:30] or morning? [13:52:33] night. [13:52:38] ahh, aussie. [13:52:39] still for another 8 minutes [13:55:45] Does anybody know which code to add to make a certain page display as if it is a talk page? We have talk-page specific style at our wiki, and some project pages act as talk pages, and now the talk page style doesn't apply to it. How to change it? [13:58:13] wrap it all in
or whatever the talk page class is [13:59:47] *minute is happy: http://tech.idkb.eu/wiki/Special:Userlogin [14:00:16] Ok thanks [14:01:29] minute: use black on yellow, it's easiert on the eye. and still "screams". [14:01:40] Duesentrieb_: Ok [14:03:45] Duesentrieb_: better? [14:06:48] 03(NEW) Nds-nl: interface language on other Wikipedias - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11590 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (servien) [14:07:41] Duesentrieb, I did that, but it's still not working. See http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Geselshoekie/begin [14:07:49] The page is supposed to turn yellow :/ [14:30:17] hello [14:30:39] Hello [14:32:31] JackP|afk: argh mikset käytä betawikiä, olis helpompi ainaki korjata sun typot [14:46:25] 03(mod) Finnish (fi) i18n for Nuke exension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11587 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [14:49:40] yayfun == writing arrangements for my winter brass ensemble... [14:54:16] hum.. in the /math/README, it's said that I should install the AMS for LaTeX in order to get things working right for math rendering... now I search for an AMS package and I get one... but it's a GUI synth... not sure it's the good thing!?? [15:03:35] whee! [15:03:37] 4000 errors! [15:06:46] isn't that more than before? [15:08:37] oh, no [15:08:41] 603 less. [15:11:01] it amused me that it was exactly 4000 [15:11:06] 3914 now :) [15:11:07] oh [15:11:14] wow, that was fast [15:11:50] yes, one fix often kills a dozen or more errors [15:11:58] i do a screenful at a time and then rebuild. [15:17:35] Nikerabbit: kaikella kunnioituksella, omasta mielestäni betawiki on monimutkainen...mutta typoja sattuu, huuda minulle ja koitan korjata ne ;-) [15:25:19] oho, Chatzilla osaa näköjään suomea :) [15:25:29] \o/ [15:25:35] *Jack_Phoenix ei näemmä :P [15:25:43] lol [15:29:42] 03aaron * r26479 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: *Make block check more appropriate [15:30:10] Jack_Phoenix: I just couldn't first believe my eyes... [15:30:24] NomX: :o [15:40:02] 03(NEW) Update MessagesNds_nl.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11591 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (servien) [15:43:15] 03(mod) Finnish (fi) i18n for Nuke exension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11587 +comment (10wikia.jack) [15:43:19] Nikerabbit: ^ ;-) [15:49:01] 03(mod) Update MessagesNds_nl.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11591 +comment (10vasilvv) [15:52:33] hey MinuteElectron, welcome back :-) [15:56:18] uga [16:01:33] Jack_Phoenix: grr, jätit ne turhat ohjeet siihen [16:01:42] turhat? meh [16:02:16] ja toiseks suomessa ei käytetä puolipilkkua, ja toi lauseenvastike viittaisi kommenttien poistoon [16:02:55] :) [16:04:18] Jack_Phoenix: hi : [16:04:20] | [16:04:28] rar [16:04:39] *Jack_Phoenix shall update the patch then :) [16:05:13] starting to realize why we use betawiki? :o [16:07:24] Ok, greping for interwiki was a bad idea. [16:08:53] Dantman: Are you busy? Rumour has it you have code for shared interwiki tables :) [16:08:56] 03(mod) Finnish (fi) i18n for Nuke exension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11587 +comment (10wikia.jack) [16:09:17] Depends on which version or bit you're asking for... [16:09:34] Actually hacking in shared interwiki is quite simple [16:09:52] Dantman: Just wondered if it were possible for you to submit it too bugzilla? [16:10:06] (and get stabbed ;-) [16:10:18] Not that... [16:10:19] just kidding, Dantman's code is good always [16:10:21] Or smarten it up then submit it. [16:10:38] I have a complete Database::tableName rewrite [16:10:47] Ahh, I see. [16:10:49] It takes up 1 more line than the original [16:11:01] :P [16:11:15] Dantman: Is there any chance it could be submitted, or no? [16:11:36] But it adds in the features for adding in extra tables to share, syntax extensions can use to switch databases and still have prefixes added, and also support for having different prefixes on the shared DB. [16:11:46] But I have not been able to test it yet [16:12:01] ok [16:12:28] It's an absolute rewrite and works in quite a different way than the original, so I first need to make sure that the general ouput is the same in the cases where it is normally used. [16:13:11] Take a look: http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/f49c65f61 [16:14:55] 03nikerabbit * r26480 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Finnish translaions from bugs 11580 and 11587 [16:15:57] Dantman: So this is basically the same as shared user db, but you specify as many or as few tables you want to sharE? [16:16:08] Yup [16:16:15] neat [16:16:31] Hello, how do I change the background colour of a single page? Sorry if it's a stupid question :/ [16:16:33] 03(FIXED) Finnish i18n for Contributionseditcount - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11580 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [16:16:38] 03(FIXED) Finnish (fi) i18n for Nuke exension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11587 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [16:16:42] If you add 'interwiki' in the same way as user is done currently, it will make the interwiki table global [16:17:10] Theoretically doing that for ipblocks will make blocks global to for small groups running multiple wiki [16:17:17] Cool. [16:17:43] And 'user_groups' if it's a groop that wants to keep their permissions tight between wiki [16:17:59] (Though I did do some special work for Semi-shared permissions at one point [16:19:13] Adriaan_: each page has a specfic CSS class, you can edit MediaWiki:Common.css to set background-color for this page [16:19:30] Dantman: Sounds cool. [16:19:34] ialex: Ok thanks [16:22:49] ialex: If I have a page called Project:Pagename, what do I add to .css to change the background colour? [16:23:02] Nikerabbit: thank you. Wanna do bugs 11579, 11581 and 11582 too? ;-) [16:23:09] Only for that specific page [16:23:15] easy bugs, just some $wgExtensionCredits additions etc. [16:23:51] 03aaron * r26481 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: *Limit to 20 by default [16:25:15] Jack_Phoenix: not my area of expertise [16:25:26] :D [16:25:30] meh, I'll find someone else to poke about thoset then... [16:25:52] Adriaan_: http://rafb.net/p/3RGhgp89.html (replace white by the color) [16:26:04] ialex: Thanks :P [16:27:20] yo people! [16:28:58] why servers was blocked yesterday? [16:30:09] lucy_16: um, what? [16:31:10] yesterday in Poland servers of Wikia was blocked [16:31:24] ialex: Thanks ialex! It works ; ) [16:31:36] Adriaan_: you're welcome [16:31:43] lucy_16: 1) wrong channel 2) Wikia was having technical difficulties yesterday [16:32:04] ok thx [16:33:23] 03aaron * r26482 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php: *Only show this message for people who cannot directly make accounts [16:35:08] heya AaronSchulz :) [16:35:14] meow [16:36:02] Morning AaronSchulz. [16:36:06] a few easy bugs to fix if you'd have the time...: 11582, 11581 and 11579 ;) [16:36:19] MinuteElectron: allo [16:36:56] AaronSchulz: lol, I got my patch commited in the end. :P [16:43:21] Jack_Phoenix: can you group those into one bug next time? [16:43:38] I could try, thanks for the tip :) [16:45:39] plus then there's 11589, but that's a bigger, "real" bug [16:49:40] 03aaron * r26483 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [16:49:40] *Add credits [16:49:40] *Remove extensionfunctions dependency [16:49:55] 03(FIXED) FindSpam extension: add credits, convert to normal $wgSpecialPages and $wgAutoloadClasses usage - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11579 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [16:50:03] 03(FIXED) $wgExtensionCredits for DismissableSiteNotice - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11581 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [16:50:14] 03(FIXED) User Rights Email Notification: update extension credit URL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11582 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [16:50:27] AaronSchulz: do you know why extensionfunctions are being deprecated? [16:51:28] 1) people are always complaining "this doesn't work" for extensions, because they forgot to use it [16:51:41] 2) it creates an unneeded dependancy [16:52:08] AaronSchulz: it would help if it would read somewhere they are being deprecated [16:52:09] 3) often, checking if it is there, loading it, and calling its functions takes up more space than doing it without using it [16:52:19] it's on bugzilla somewhere [16:52:35] what is? [16:52:58] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11493 <--- that, I believe [16:53:48] it's a *** patch, not deprecation notice [16:54:03] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Makesysop/SpecialMakesysop.i18n.php?revision=26457&view=markup [16:54:18] Can somebody remove tab from thebeginnig of the file? [16:54:57] Nikerabbit: cus brion said so [16:55:01] lol [16:55:28] 03nikerabbit * r26484 10/trunk/extensions/Makesysop/SpecialMakesysop.i18n.php: * Phantom tab [16:55:33] how about big !!!DEPRECATED!!! somewhere? [16:56:07] Nikerabbit: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11461 [16:56:34] though that bug is not a good example [16:57:01] but the idea is to stop using it (that bug kind of killed BC) [16:57:04] 03(NEW) Import bcl localization from Betawiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (pathoschild) [16:57:18] wth is that [16:57:46] Pathoschild: please don't use bugzilla for that :/ [16:59:00] Okay. :p [16:59:02] *Pathoschild will just poke Nikerabbit continuously until it's done, then. ;) [16:59:06] Pathoschild: siebrand is doing daily exports [16:59:27] Cool. [16:59:33] *VasilievVV wonders who added whitespace before Is there any way to check when the bcl localizations are done? [17:00:27] Pathoschild: done? [17:00:44] VasilievVV: click annotate [17:00:49] Added to the MediaWiki localization files. [17:01:07] Pathoschild: daily? [17:01:22] r26405 | siebrand | 2007-10-04 20:28:35 +0300 (to, 04 loka   2007) | 2 lines [17:01:27] is latest [17:01:40] Nikerabbit: okay, I found it [17:02:44] Pathoschild*: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesBcl.php?view=log [17:02:55] Pathoschild_: bug them in #mediawiki-i18n ;-) [17:04:46] Cbrown1023_away: Thankies. [17:04:54] your welcoies [17:06:54] Hi everybody! [17:07:19] Someone knows hot to put a outside link to the MediaWiki:Sidebar? [17:07:45] how* [17:07:53] yes [17:08:08] http://quality.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar [17:08:12] take that for an example [17:08:23] "Mailing list" in the sidebar is an external link [17:08:27] Ok [17:08:34] so you add "ml-url|Mailing list" [17:08:45] where Mailing list is the text you want to displayed [17:08:59] and ml-url would be the page you put the external link on [17:09:21] Thanks =P [17:09:22] so you would put the external link on http://mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:ml-url [17:09:34] er [17:09:40] quality.wikimedia.org* not mediawiki.org [17:09:41] 14(INVALID) Problems when trying to save edits in general - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11573 +comment (10robchur) [17:09:42] ;-) [17:37:38] 03(FIXED) AjaxShowEditors extension is broken in MediaWiki 1.11 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11589 +comment (10robchur) [17:37:41] 03robchurch * r26485 10/trunk/extensions/AjaxShowEditors/Hooks.php: (bug 11589) Missing return values in hooks [18:04:05] argh [18:04:25] hey MinuteElectron, welcome back :) [18:04:28] hi [18:04:36] PHP confuses the hell out of me. [18:04:45] it always does [18:04:48] http://my.brlcad.org/~MinuteElectron/w-devel/config2/index.php <-- blank page [18:05:10] oh, yes! [18:05:18] I came in at exactly the right time. [18:07:52] can someone please tell me how can I get articles back, since I installed new version of mediawiki and I have no idea on how could I get the content of my wiki back? :) [18:09:51] Yukimur1: it should just stay where it was. upgrading does not delete pages, unless something goes terribly wrong. for which case you have made a backup, as any instructions for upgrading will tell you to do... [18:12:36] well the thing is I upgraded from 1.5.8 to 1.8.5 and I was foolish enough not to make backups of anything else but htdocs :( [18:12:55] you...didn't make a database backup? [18:12:57] ouch [18:13:08] and you upgraded to 1.8.5 - why= [18:13:09] ? [18:13:30] Yukimur1, as a general rule, you should make periodic database backups anyway if you mind that your database might suddenly disappear. All sorts of evil things could happen. [18:13:49] *Duesentrieb_ goes to make a backup of his wiki [18:13:50] well...1.8.5 was stable in gentoo's portage [18:14:15] brion: What are the rules regarding applying for your own branch? I am in the process of rewriting the config script (as per several bugs) and once it gets a bit further I will need a wide audience to test it. [18:14:23] Yukimur1: that'S the trouble with 3rd party distribution packages: they tend to be oooold and odd. [18:14:27] latest is 1.11.0 [18:14:39] 1.8 was a year ago or so [18:15:04] old? well but 1.5.8 is even older now isn't it? [18:15:05] MinuteElectron: if you've got svn commit access, branch away dude [18:15:41] Ok, that gives me a goal to work too. [18:15:47] :D [18:15:48] Yukimur1: sure, but theres not really a reason to upgrade to a version one year old. andway - how did you upgrade? from the command line, or web? [18:16:02] Yukimur1: or just hoping that whatever gentoo does to upgrade works? [18:16:23] *MinuteElectron adds to his to-do list 'Submit enough patches and come up with cool extensions to have enough credibility to apply for commit access.' [18:16:57] MinuteElectron: heh, that's on my to-do list too :D [18:17:06] :P [18:17:15] I emerged new mediawiki, followed the instrucitons and did changes with web interface and then a some things with joe ;) [18:17:56] Jack_Phoenix: I guess we both have a long way to go.... [18:18:06] :/ [18:18:16] 11589 is/was my bug, now fixed (a real bug, not something like missing extension credits or so)...1 done, lots more to go :D [18:19:03] I have so far submitted 3 patches, two of which have been commited. [18:19:08] bbl - food [18:20:05] so...any idea on how to get articles back??? /looks around for anyone willing to help/ [18:20:27] Yukimur1: that sounds quite scary, since none of that should actually be needed. basically, look into you db server and find out if there's still a wiki db (maybe one too many?...) and that the tables page, revision and text have content. [18:21:09] ok Duesentrieb_ thanks a lot :-) [18:21:32] Yukimur1: the easiest and imho safest way to install & upgrade mediawiki is to use the official tarbals (or svn checkout of the branch) and follow the official instructions on mediawiki.org [18:21:46] now I just need my friend to tell me the passwd for mysql :) [18:22:02] Yukimur1: if you can't find such a database, or the tables are empty, or don't contain "your" pages, well, then you've lost. [18:22:14] ok...I'll probably do that next time [18:22:40] Yukimur1: err- the wiki's config file should contain all info you need to access the db. the wiki has to, after all. [18:22:45] heh...then I consider myselfe lucky since the wiki contained around 10 articles or so:D [18:22:53] Yukimur1: however, i suspect that it's simply looking at the wrong db. [18:22:55] check for that [18:23:06] will do thanks :) [18:25:34] moo [18:26:19] Simetrical: 1) thanks for sysoping 2) the links in the Sidebar are loaded from wfMsgForContent() so i can't localise them [18:26:54] ialex: there's a hack to override that i think [18:27:38] Duesentrieb_: yes but in this case we have to localise all links (or changing messages names) [18:28:06] ok so now I'm in mysql but how can I see something that is in the database wiki? [18:28:40] Yukimur1: type "show databases"; [18:28:57] Duesentrieb_: i think it's http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg [18:29:11] yes well that command returns list of Databases and there is database named wiki [18:29:19] ialex: yes, that sounds about right :) [18:29:21] ialex, I can't change that, if it's the case. I think sidebar is a problem anyway, regardless of that setting, due to caching. [18:29:25] but how can I see in it? :) [18:29:27] Yukimur1: "use wiki" [18:29:28] (it gets cached more than other stuff somehow) [18:29:34] Yukimur1: "show tables"; [18:29:46] Yukimur1: "select count(*) from page" [18:29:56] oh, don't forget the ";" at the end [18:31:11] Simetrical: i think caching only works when the user lang is the same as the content lang [18:31:17] Yukimur1: the most interesting one, probably: select page_title from page where page_namespace = 0; [18:31:31] ialex, I dunno, does translation of the sidebar work on any other sites? [18:31:45] Simetrical: i'll on commons [18:31:58] Duesentrieb_: should that list all the pages? [18:32:12] Commons does it somehow. [18:32:15] Yukimur1: yes [18:32:28] Yukimur1: all pages in the main namespace, anyway [18:32:30] It even aligns the page properly. [18:33:45] Duesentrieb_: and Main_page is the only one I get :S [18:33:48] Simetrical: yes but for example, in french the default main page name is "Accueil" and not MediaWiki/fr [18:34:20] Yukimur1: then it's the only one in THAT database. perhaps before, you where using another db. [18:34:34] ialex, mainpage has to be changed, apparently, yes. The others seem to work okay. [18:34:37] ialex: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Welcome-url/de [18:34:53] so if we put this to localised link, we'll have to change this message in each lang [18:35:05] Duesentrieb_: looking from the old config it appers to be the one and only database [18:35:13] even if the main page doesn't exist in this lang [18:35:18] ialex, for now you can translate everything other than mainpage, I think. [18:35:29] Simetrical, ialex: Mediawiki:namespace is used for quite a few things... not sure if it's ok to make it language-dependant. [18:35:53] Yukimur1: then go complain to the package maintainer - whatever they do on install killed your db. [18:35:54] Duesentrieb_, eh? What do you mean? [18:36:24] Simetrical, ialex: MediaWiki:mainpage, sorry :) [18:36:36] Duesentrieb_: we can choose wich messages should be language-dependant [18:36:37] Duesentrieb_, ah. Well, it's set different on places like Commons, isn't it? [18:36:40] well, it actually determines what the main page is [18:36:50] Duesentrieb_: thank you very much for all the help...I'll try to get the database from the old server... [18:36:51] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage/de [18:37:15] ialex: you can, but it's not always wise. in some places, the code makes assumptions. mainpage is used hardcoded in quite a few places. [18:37:19] Simetrical: no idea... [18:37:29] Duesentrieb_, it seems to work correctly if localized. [18:37:39] Simetrical: fine then :) [18:37:40] ialex, you'll need to bug someone with shell access to fix it. [18:37:44] but we can change the message name used for the sidebar [18:37:57] yes, that should work [18:38:28] so if the message doesn't exist in thant lang, it'll fallback to english [18:38:39] *Simetrical goes off to do the laundry [18:38:43] yes [18:38:49] *AaronSchulz did some last night [18:42:54] bah [18:43:15] *MinuteElectron starts his second project in the hope something will come to him in his dreams about the first one. [18:43:47] 03siebrand * r26486 10/trunk/phase3/ (18 files in 2 dirs): [18:43:47] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [18:43:47] * bcl, br, ca, cy, ext, fo, fr, hr, hsb, is, la, li, nl, no, sdc, sei, tl [18:44:03] Platonides: ^^ [19:04:22] ugh [19:20:34] Hi, I just set up MediaWiki on my webspace, and I really love it. I was wondering if there is a way to hide certain entries so that only the admin (or whoever he deems necessary) can view them? [19:21:27] delete the page [19:21:53] restore all the revisions except the ones you don't want to be seen by admins [19:22:02] by anyone but admins* [19:22:06] quick question: how do I insert a literal pipe character as an argument passed to a template? [19:22:13] do I just backslash-escape it? [19:22:35] people create another tmeplate like {{!}} which translcuses that [19:22:46] Kurt2: a=plaa|plöö [19:22:56] for example; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:! [19:23:18] Cbrown1023_away: what if further edits need to be made to the hidden page? [19:23:24] 03siebrand * r26487 10/trunk/extensions/ (35 files in 33 dirs): [19:23:24] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [19:23:24] * Fixes and additions to 33 extensions for ar, bcl, br, cs, fi, fr, hsb, nl, no [19:24:14] MokonaSan: undelete, edit, re-delete [19:25:05] Kurt2: I am going to try this out and see if I understand what it does. Thank you. Be right back. [19:30:51] I think I understand the concept of it now, I just thouht there might be an extension or something tp specifically handle this sort of thing [19:36:19] MokonaSan: one is being worked on [19:36:36] ask AaronSchulz about the specifics, I think ;-) [19:39:15] oh okay, thanks. I will. [19:40:20] Hi all, I am trying to find a way to have "cross references". I mean, I would like to cite a section without hardcoded manualy the section number in the text. Is there any solution ? [19:40:27] 03(mod) API should provide interface for expanding templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11572 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [19:41:32] 03(mod) Editsection Links should come after Section Headlines - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11555 (10rene.kijewski) [19:46:45] pascalp: you can link to section headings... is that what you mean? [19:47:15] I mean this : my text blabla (see section 2.1) [19:48:10] pascalp: well, section numbering is not supported that way. but you can do (see section About Thus And That) [19:48:22] which is more web-like anyway. [19:48:46] just use [[#About This and That]] to link to == About This and That == [19:49:03] :) Because it's not only for a web-like document. [19:49:34] The wiki will be published in a pdf produce by latex. [19:50:42] i'm afraid there's no reference system that will give you the number of the section you are refering to. [19:51:47] you'd basically have to have something like {{#sectionnumber:Foo}}, and use it as [[#Foo|{{#sectionnumber:Foo}}]] [19:52:07] wooo [19:52:10] "Additionally, we’ve made minor changes to IE7 for Windows XP based on customer feedback: [19:52:10] The menu bar is now visible by default." [19:52:17] but {{#sectionnumber}} doesn't exist, at least as far as i know. the section numbering stuff is black magic anyway [19:52:33] *Duesentrieb_ hates menu bars [19:53:28] Duesentrieb_, ok. Thx. [19:53:52] brion: pascalp wants a way to get the auto-generated section number for a given section, somewhere else on the page (see above). how hard would it be to write that? the section numbering stuff scares me. [19:54:15] eeek [19:54:43] probably not very safe to do [19:54:50] if you want them at an early level of inline parsing... [19:54:56] but they're maybe not available at that time... [19:55:22] I think you need to parse the file twice, that's why it's not possible. [20:00:57] besides going to recent changes, where else can I get a list of pages I have on my WIKI site? [20:01:11] Special:Allpages [20:01:55] okay thanks [20:02:16] pascalp: you donÄt even want to know how many passes the parser (read: munger) actually makes :) [20:02:53] :) [20:08:33] By the way : http://doc.fedora-fr.org/wiki/Guide_d%27installation_de_Fedora_en_images gives the first chapter of this : http://www.parois.net/ng/wiki2latex/Guide-Fedora.pdf [20:12:52] Anyone ever tried this before: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Page_access_restriction_with_MediaWiki ? [20:14:19] look at the one on mediawiki [20:14:21] @search .* [20:14:21] Results: [download, extensions, faq, hidetoc, highlight, imagemap, multiplewiki, namespaces, package, purge, rights, sidebar, subpages, subversion, support, syntax, tex, tias, upgrade, welcome] [20:14:28] !rights | MokonaSan [20:14:28] MokonaSan : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [20:14:32] I use it muself/ [20:14:34] *mysql [20:14:38] *myself [20:14:53] okay, i will look. thank you. [20:16:21] MinuteElectron: Is there a way to use that to restrict access by page? Like if I don't want certain users to be able to read certain pages, but they can read others? [20:16:46] no [20:16:47] !access [20:16:47] For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [20:16:57] !getapropercms | MokonaSan [20:17:00] bah [20:17:05] forget the stuff on meta, it has grown moldy [20:17:18] lol [20:17:20] MinuteElectron: add it :) call it cms, though [20:17:38] bah, wait [20:17:38] How do I run the generateSitemap.php maintenance script? [20:18:04] Wiredtape: from command line [20:18:06] Duesentrieb_: ok [20:18:47] MinuteElectron: yeah, sorry, stupid me, I thought it said I needed to input something :) but it was just because I was trying generateSitemaps.php instead of generateSitemap.php [20:18:50] thanks though [20:19:15] Duesentrieb_: I'm supposed to be waiting? [20:19:23] !cms is If you need per-page or partial page access restrictions, you are advised to install an appropriate document management package. MediaWiki was not written to provide per-page access restrictions, and almost all hacks or patches promising to add them will likely have flaws somewhere, which could lead to exposure of confidential data. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of fund [20:19:23] Successfully added keyword: cms [20:19:24] s or one's job. For further details, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions - if you stil lwant to, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Page_specific_user_rights_extensions [20:19:28] damn, too long# [20:19:31] you broke it [20:19:36] I was just going to link. [20:19:43] :P [20:19:46] 03(mod) Rename namespaces in Malay wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9907 -shell ; summary (10jeluf) [20:19:52] naw, that spoils the fun :) [20:19:54] Duesentrieb_: shall I try? [20:20:10] thanks for the links, guys. I think I may have foudn one I can use [20:20:37] Wiredtape_Away: i had to apply this patch - http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=3511&action=edit - to get Google to accept my sitemap file [20:21:28] lemmy try again... [20:21:52] !forget cms [20:22:01] jlerner, I don't know last time I did it it worked perfectly... :) [20:22:07] MinuteElectron: i forgot how to delete it :) [20:22:15] I will just overright it. [20:22:20] I see one here called the Hidden namespaces patch [20:22:21] jlerner, but thank you very much [20:22:28] MinuteElectron: well, go ahead then [20:22:31] !cms del [20:22:31] Successfully removed keyword: cms [20:22:38] ah. [20:22:44] !cms [20:22:44] You are advised to install an appropriate document management package. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job due to borked attempts at per-page read access restrictions. [20:23:15] Duesentrieb_: Yeah, mwbot's syntax is a bit ruined. [20:23:28] hehe [20:23:30] hmm.... that should say conten t management system though. a dms is something else. [20:23:37] yeah [20:23:40] !cms del [20:23:40] Successfully removed keyword: cms [20:23:43] also, a link to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Page_specific_user_rights_extensions would be nice in the end [20:23:51] gotta give people some rope to hang themselves [20:24:03] Yeah this isn't any important data, it's just data that should't be seen by other users [20:24:28] follow the link, then [20:25:02] !cms is You are advised to install an appropriate content management package for per-page read restrictions. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job due to borked hacks. See if you really want too. [20:25:02] Successfully added keyword: cms [20:25:08] !cms | MokonaSan [20:25:08] MokonaSan : You are advised to install an appropriate content management package for per-page read restrictions. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job due to borked hacks. See if you really want too. [20:25:10] :) [20:25:31] heh [20:27:08] Is a namespace just a page on your wiki? [20:27:19] no [20:28:05] !namespace | MokonaSan [20:28:19] !extranamespace | MokonaSan [20:28:19] MokonaSan : To add a namespace, modify your LocalSettings.php file, and add namespaces via $wgExtraNamespaces. A comprehensive set of instructions for adding a namespace can be found at . [20:28:41] no, that's not it [20:28:57] !namespace is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces [20:28:57] Successfully added keyword: namespace [20:29:10] that is :) [20:29:17] feeding the bot is addictive [20:29:21] :P [20:30:08] ahh okay, both of those links help me. thanks [20:30:47] 03(WONTFIX) shell - activate AllowSlowParserFunctions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10330 +comment (10londenp) [20:40:23] *MinuteElectron is not in the mood to code anymore. [20:41:35] 03(NEW) OggHandler gives PHP fatal error with $wgThumbnailScriptPath; missing getScriptedTransform() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11593 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: OggHandler; (brion) [20:41:47] 03(mod) allow limited wikicode rendering via api.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11173 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [20:44:30] 03brion * r26488 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Wiki.php): Revert r26414 -- causes image reverts to fail as it disables the revert action [20:44:51] hahaha [20:44:58] 04(REOPENED) invalid case in Wiki.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11561 +comment (10brion) [20:46:36] hi [20:47:55] Hi,Is lack of support of external link image a bug in mediawiki or in browsers? [20:48:39] I mean lack of support in rtl.css [20:49:00] it says: background:none; for a.external [20:49:40] and causes external and internal links in mediawiki to be shown the same [20:51:14] *NotACow grumbles and adds another method to her Article class [20:52:41] the Article class is cute :) [20:52:54] brion-office: very sexy...very [20:53:19] 3665 errors :) [21:04:22] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Sandbox [21:18:37] http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox [21:20:52] Soroush81, I don't think it's a browser problem. It should work for RTL. [21:30:59] Simetrical, It doesn't work. [21:31:22] for more information you can see rtl.css in skins/monobook/rtl.css [21:50:20] I am having a problem with generateSitemap.php, it is listing the dns of the server that is running my site rather than listing my site... is there any way i can fix this? [22:20:54] 03greg * r26489 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Use database timestamp() function for things passed directly to db. [22:34:31] 03(mod) Semantic Forms should use SMWStore instead of direct DB access - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11506 (10lgerbarg) [22:38:28] G_SabinoMullane: MediaWiki messages at CZ are pretty broken it seems [22:39:01] 03(NEW) Miscellaneous SMW 1.0 compatibility changes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11594 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (lgerbarg) [22:42:07] *Simetrical always thinks "Czech language" when he sees CZ [22:42:42] Although apparently Czech is CS, not CZ. [22:42:58] ... [22:43:04] Whereas CZ is the country code for the Czech Republic. [22:43:30] So that's what I think of, then. [22:49:00] AaronSchulz: May have fixed them. [22:50:12] G_SabinoMullane: is the extension up to date with SVN? [22:50:35] AaronSchulz: Yes, except for the last couple changes you made today. [22:50:56] userlogin is brokz0rs [22:51:05] it also has two colons :/ [22:52:19] Eh? [22:52:43] and deleting a message seems to set the old local version as the one shown in the UI, rather than the default [22:52:59] the UI also seems to break and unbreak periodically [22:54:39] AaronSchulz, didn't know you were a Citizendium admin. [22:54:55] Simetrical: I think he's a dev [22:55:14] I don't have shell there, I have 'userrights' as a user [22:55:19] AaronSchulz: Synced with svn now. [22:55:19] hey Cbrown1023_away: Thank you for your help earlier [22:55:23] *Cbrown1023_away sees, Aaron [22:55:25] MokonaSan: np [22:55:38] Your links pointed me in the right direction and I finally was able to figure out how to do what i waned [22:55:40] wanted* [22:55:55] I am now seeing a black white page on page view [22:56:14] Aaron: huh? [22:56:21] is that a typo? [22:56:28] *blank [22:56:35] G_SabinoMullane: there is a fatal error somewhere [22:56:45] though my installation runs fine [22:56:53] Try it now [22:57:13] ok [22:57:21] http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page [22:57:28] can you kill the double colons? [22:57:31] :) [22:57:57] Where? [22:58:08] oh nm [22:59:09] http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Special:Allmessages [22:59:19] look at requestaccount-text [22:59:33] then click on it, they are not the same :/ [23:00:11] AaronSchulz: Ok, got em. [23:00:21] ok, I made a null edit [23:00:25] works...for now [23:00:29] AaronSchulz: Yeah, not sure what's going on with that yet. [23:00:46] it will probably get broken after a while though [23:06:37] *Cbrown1023_away waves TimStarling [23:12:54] will subpages of a global CSS really affect users of the parent skin? [23:13:10] i.e. adding content to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css/temp]] [23:17:56] MZMcBride, not that I know of. [23:18:13] yeah, i just ran a test it appears it doesn't [23:18:30] though the the subpages are still fully protected from access [23:18:38] i guess because they're in the mediawiki namespace still [23:19:10] yes [23:19:22] perhaps the default message that comes up on CSS subpages should be changed [23:19:28] TimStarling: will you have much MW time this week? [23:19:44] it says "/** CSS placed here will be applied to all skins */" [23:20:08] TimStarling: brion didn't have the time for those proposed checkuser changes. I was wondering if that could be done, as well as getting a global log table up [23:20:21] probably not, you know we're having a staff meeting right? [23:20:46] so I'm still in adverse conditions for actual work [23:21:18] oh, sorry, didn't know about the meeting [23:21:47] not right now, I mean over the next 4 days or so [23:21:57] I just got in to St Pete last night [23:24:10] TimStarling: are many developers in st. pete - this is for the foundation meeting? [23:24:15] (i live in st. pete...) [23:24:41] yes [23:25:25] well, basically just the paid ones for Wikimedia [23:25:29] it's actually not that many [23:25:32] sure [23:26:21] do y'all have any time to grab lunch or dinner before you have to leave town? [23:26:32] happy to treat.. ;-) [23:26:37] whee [23:26:39] 3178 errors [23:26:44] NotACow: what? [23:27:01] jlerner: probably too short-notice for them [23:27:07] sure [23:27:27] but they have to eat sometime [23:27:31] so you might as well ask them ;-) [23:27:38] that's what i figured [23:27:50] you might get a few, probably not all [23:27:54] who's visiting any idea? tim and brion? [23:28:04] Brion lives here [23:28:11] Mark is flying in though I think [23:28:44] cool [23:28:53] Tim: does he live in europe? [23:31:31] yes, in the netherlands [23:32:18] I love that name...netherlands [23:33:03] I remember brion mentioned the idea of maybe hiring more devs, I wonder if that went any where? [23:34:44] not yet, the wheels turn slowly [23:35:11] anybody know why this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css/temp is misbehaving? [23:35:48] [[Template:interwiki-all]] does not seem to be liking being in a css subpage [23:41:54] i keep typing "!+" instead of "!=" [23:45:29] yay [23:45:30] 3000 hours [23:45:31] er [23:45:33] errors