[00:10:03] is anyone up knowlegable about double redirects? [00:10:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Hardy#How_NOT_to_fix_a_double_redirect [00:10:49] if so, can you please address this? [00:17:08] i responded, though the user seems averse to logic at the moment [00:17:40] White_Cat, the second line shouldn't have been changed by the bot here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Hardy#How_NOT_to_fix_a_double_redirect [00:17:51] there's no problem with mediawiki [00:17:53] No? [00:18:02] just a few users getting confused [00:18:26] White_Cat, he's completely correct, your bot was acting incorrectly. [00:18:27] Simetrical of course it will be [00:18:48] Simetrical mediawikis instructions on the special page is incorrect [00:18:50] not my bot [00:19:01] the page should not have been listed on the speical page then [00:19:20] Simetrical he is normal linking to a redirect page from a redirect [00:19:23] that is the problem [00:19:31] White_Cat, the page was a double redirect. You fixed it so it was no longer a double redirect. You also changed a link that had nothing to do with the fact that it was a double redirect. [00:19:58] Simetrical redirects shouldnt contain material [00:19:59] MediaWiki allows hidden text to be put on redirect pages [00:20:10] White_Cat, why not? [00:20:11] TimStarling yes [00:20:12] whether or not to use it for anything is a matter of policy [00:20:16] White_Cat, they're perfectly allowed to. [00:20:26] Simetrical look carefully [00:20:32] White_Cat, I did. [00:20:38] he linked to [[ML inequality]] [00:20:40] White_Cat, there were two links on the page. [00:20:41] which redirects [00:20:41] and whether or not to delete such text in a double redirect fixing bot is a question for policy too [00:21:06] TimStarling, it wasn't deleted, it was mutilated to nonsensicality. [00:21:24] well, that's also a question of editorial policy, isn't it? [00:21:30] whether or not to mutilate things? [00:21:35] it wasn't done by mediawiki, was it? [00:22:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ML_Inequality&diff=162822298&oldid=162390473 [00:22:11] TimStarling, no, it was done by White_Cat's broken bot. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ML_Inequality&diff=162822298&oldid=162390473 [00:22:28] "ML inequality" is a redirect [00:22:36] White_Cat, your bot should have done this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ML_Inequality&diff=162896198&oldid=162390473 [00:23:22] White_Cat, there's nothing wrong with linking to redirects. That's what they're there for. You shouldn't gratuitously change link targets to avoid redirects. But even if you do, you even changed the link *text*. [00:23:43] what is the point of linking "ML inequality" at "ML Inequality" [00:23:50] given both link to the same page [00:24:12] that's a question for the talk page [00:24:15] It's not any business of your bot. [00:24:18] not #mediawiki [00:24:39] White_Cat: i just responded to your editrprotected request, by the way [00:25:19] MZMcBride I like the quotation marks [00:25:29] I want to use them [00:25:34] but I dont want centering [00:25:44] is there a template for that? [00:25:51] shouldnt be a seperate template [00:26:10] there's [[Template:rquote]] and [[Template:lquote]] [00:26:24] or i believe wrapping [[Template:cquote]] in a div would work as well [00:26:33] just depends on what you're after [00:29:30] MZMcBride well [00:33:32] TimStarling: do you mind [[computational neuroscience]] awesome? [00:33:36] *find [00:34:52] Simetrical: the idea of eventually engineering consciousness gives me the willies [00:34:54] well, moderately awesome maybe [00:35:08] don't forget it's an immature field [00:35:39] and don't jump to apply its results to everything [00:37:10] Simetrical: heh, my roommate is dualist and Christian, so he thinks it's impossible [00:37:24] the first "conscious" machine will probably be some ugly hack rather than a neuron-level simulation of a human brain [00:37:59] well, who knows [00:38:48] his reasons where kind of an argument from ignorance, but it sure is a fascinating topic [00:39:18] there's a lot of mysticism about consciousness, even among scientists [00:39:45] roger penrose declared that consciousness arises from macroscopic quantum coherence in the brain [00:39:53] crackpot [00:40:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Descartes_mind_and_body.gif <--hehe [00:40:54] Pineal gland... [00:41:44] TimStarling: I have to admit, I almost fell for the "Quantum Mind" for a second [00:41:52] maybe it just sounds too cool ;) [00:46:34] there will always be people who say that a machine can't be conscious, regardless of the output, because the mechanism isn't the same as in humans [00:47:00] TimStarling: how did he make it "macro" and coherent? [00:47:09] and that a machine can't have emotions, for the same reason [00:47:30] I don't know, microtubules or something [00:48:31] You should really finish that phd, if nothing else, just to have your name listed as "Tim Starling, PhD" ;) [00:48:43] or [00:48:53] Dr. Tim Starling [00:49:11] just call me Dr. Tim anyway [00:49:18] :D [00:49:25] *White_Cat wants to see TimStarling in a white doctor coat [00:49:29] I'll get one of those fake degrees online if it'll make you happy [00:49:43] you mean the ones advertised on msn everyday? [00:49:49] TimStarling all I want is a photo of you on commons with or without a degree [00:50:03] TimStarling I think you can do a better job in photoshop [00:50:16] ... [00:51:34] any suggestions on a fix for http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox [00:51:41] TimStarling maybe queen of england will make you a sir [00:51:48] maybe [00:51:54] youd then be Sir Dr Tim [00:52:03] or Dr Sir Tim? [00:52:05] Sir Tim Starling, PhD is bit too much [00:52:09] Tim Sir Dr? [00:52:13] I think the convention is to choose one title or the other [00:52:31] in some kind of order of precedence [00:52:36] TimStarling now if you joined the armed forces [00:52:41] or two of them [00:52:44] the US armed forces! [00:52:48] far too many titles [00:52:57] AaronSchulz we dont want him to end up in iraq [00:53:10] TimStarling: we could use a good lad like you to do our dirty work [00:53:14] iraqis dont need such a punishment [00:53:15] :P [00:53:19] nice solid aussie [00:54:08] the aussies are of course in iraq as well [00:54:41] our PM would probably follow George Bush into the bathroom if he had the chance, like an overattached dog [00:54:45] TimStarling with blackwater god knows who isnt in iraq [00:54:50] how many aussies down there? [00:54:59] TimStarling well [00:55:09] I dont think bush would like that [00:55:16] him being an anti-gay conservative [00:55:20] Larry Craig might [00:55:33] well [00:55:44] he would declare orders to invade australia then [00:55:49] I don't think you're quite following my metaphor [00:55:58] I am :) [00:56:18] AaronSchulz aussies are "up" there [00:56:32] "down" from where I am [00:56:33] unless you turn the planet upside down [00:56:52] do you mean how many aussies in Iraq, or how many in Australia? [00:56:56] AaronSchulz stop pushing south pole POV [00:56:59] in Iraq [00:57:10] White_Cat: ... [00:57:30] official number + blackwater employed aussies - mind you [00:58:59] 1400, according to globalsecurity.org [00:59:07] I'm going to get something to eat [01:01:07] http://iht.com/articles/2004/06/04/policy_ed3__0.php [01:01:23] "President George W. Bush said Thursday that it would be disastrous if Australia were to withdraw its 850 troops from Iraq" [01:01:49] 850 troops, 541 supporting [01:01:57] damn reflection. [01:01:58] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4286073.stm [01:02:00] Australia is planning to send an additional 450 troops to Iraq, Prime Minister John Howard has said. [01:02:03] http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_coalition.htm [01:02:19] TimStarling 9 of them seems to have gone missing [01:02:21] or something [01:02:27] those 850 troops are the only thing holding back the forces of utter chaos [01:02:28] perhaps killed? [01:02:37] everyone knows that one australian is worth at least 75 americans [01:02:48] karl champley is proof of that [01:02:52] or I am doing the math wrong [01:02:59] the latter seems more likely [01:03:24] I dont trust globalsecurity.org at all [01:04:18] NotACow: hehe, I love the "We have had so much success we can withdraw some troops now" line [01:04:44] *success [01:04:48] "It would be a disastrous decision for a leader of a great country like Australia to say that we're pulling out. It would dispirit those that love freedom in Iraq and embolden the enemy who believe that they can shake our will." [01:05:48] (dubya) [01:06:04] as if the reasons for going would be that our will is shaken [01:06:16] yayfun == writing arrangements for my winter brass ensemble [01:06:38] it was a mistake to go in there in the first place [01:06:51] TimStarling: don't you love the people we elect? :D [01:07:25] they can be a bit enigmatic at times... [01:07:48] *White_Cat sees the <3 overflowing from TimStarling [01:07:51] Are you following our 2008 election? I wonder how many people follow US elections that are non-US citizens in different countries [01:07:51] *TimStarling really going [01:08:02] really, the blackberry comercial would suit this [01:08:21] AaronSchulz people wonder how stupid usians will be this time [01:08:26] one thing is certain though [01:08:29] no more bush [01:09:17] US presidents and leaders tend to have a huge share of importance in the world, partly due to the size, military power, and unilateralism [01:09:35] I only vaguely follow certain elections in other countries [01:09:50] AaronSchulz well [01:09:53] not to mention economic influence [01:10:08] candiates appear to be the least important people when campaigning [01:10:15] they even work at burger shops [01:10:41] ... [01:10:51] AaronSchulz I think a key crisis is the missing weapons of the US in iraq [01:11:08] most of them have already been shiped outside of iraq [01:11:17] of course not using fedex [01:12:19] to be honest, even if we found them, we would be only marginally better now [01:12:31] oh they are being found [01:12:44] 4 assasinations in turkey were conducted using them [01:12:58] using WMD? [01:13:07] PKK opratives are captured using them [01:13:08] no [01:13:10] US weapons [01:13:31] the several hundered thousand USians "misplaced" [01:13:44] they say it is a clerical error [01:14:24] misplacing enough weapons to arm a full scale personal army - a clerical error.. [01:14:32] really at least they can come up with sane excuses [01:15:41] AaronSchulz if iraq had wmds dont you think they would have used them? [01:22:08] maybe [01:22:21] it's hard to figure Saddam's motives [01:22:54] he saw a US attack coming, a regime change coming, did he think he'd just be exhiled? [01:23:27] if not, it seems like he would have submitted to better inspections then [01:24:53] he was no martyr, he was a selfish, amoral man who wanted property and a firm legacy [01:25:14] I doubt he would want to die opposing the US like some terrorist would [01:26:03] Whether he had WMD or not, It's hard to see why he didn't submit unless he was just used to empty UN threats and thought exhile was the worst that could happen [01:27:18] If he *was* going down the martyr route, I could see him moving what WMD he had (I doubt vast stocks, he is a known bluffer/paper tiger) to Iran/Syria so he could look like the innocent arab leader killed by the "imperial" US [01:27:55] and the US would look stupid for not finding much [01:28:27] NotACow: what do you think? what was he thinking? [01:30:12] maybe he thought submitting to inspectors would make him look weak and risk getting toppled, but I don't see a serious enough revolution force around for that [01:31:08] 'lo, who here is familiar with MediaWiki enough to be able to explain how its style files work? [01:31:30] you mean the css and such? [01:31:33] (I want to make http://playground.rudyvalencia.com/caligulapedia into a MediaWiki style.) [01:31:54] hmm...maybe you the word you mean is "skin"? [01:32:03] Well, not the CSS necessarily, but the skin code itself. [01:32:06] yeah [01:32:26] (rather, I want to make Caligulapedia into MediaWiki skin.) [01:32:36] those links are totally broken [01:32:52] Because that is only a mockup [01:32:58] haha, ok [01:33:09] the scaling should not be so absolute [01:33:12] I don't know what PHP parts in a skin file go where. [01:33:57] anyways, the skin .php file should go in the mediawiki dir in /skins [01:34:06] the software will automatically notice it [01:34:33] a folder in that same directory should have the css/images in it [01:34:48] I know [01:35:06] It's the actual PHP bits and pieces I don't understand. [01:35:16] you can look at MonoBook.php, but it is a bit cryptic [01:35:19] Yeah. [01:35:23] I did. [01:35:23] ;) [01:36:43] is it the mix of php and html that bothers you? [01:37:29] What I'm not understanding is what the bits of PHP code in the skin file do [01:37:54] What do you mean by "the scaling should not be so absolute" though? [01:38:44] the whole thing looks very small, the width and height are almost half whitespace [01:39:03] hm, I'll take the width restriction out [01:40:40] I've taken the width restriction away. [01:40:54] it's fluid, using percentages now. [01:44:38] have you read includes/skinTemplate.php ? [01:45:07] No [01:45:24] it sets all the values that are passed to the generic skin [01:45:47] the skin has to use them ($this->data) and place them somewhere [01:46:11] I'm just not very familiar with PHP [01:46:12] function outputPage( &$out ) <-line 128 [01:46:45] If I knew what PHP code to put in for each hard-encoded part in the mockup... [01:47:05] ...I could probably get it working easily. [01:47:42] The left-column at the bottom is the sidebar, middle is the search form, and right is the page actions. [01:49:27] w00t [01:49:40] NotACow: ahh, you are around [01:49:55] 1994 errors [01:50:09] (not counting "unchecked exception" errors, which i'm suppressing for now) [01:51:17] I'm not sure I understand this. [01:51:19] AaronSchulz: yes, yes i am [01:51:45] RudyValencia: this is a magic variable used to refer to the specific class instance that the method in question belongs to. [01:51:52] Yeah. [01:51:57] *NotACow giggles [01:52:08] What I don't understand about the whole "skinning" process is what PHP code goes where. [01:52:24] RudyValencia: i don't understand that either. [01:55:45] Why must MediaWiki's skinning system be so hard? [01:56:01] That's one thing I hope will change in future versions. [01:56:35] 1889 errors [01:56:56] AaronSchulz: What PHP bits do I add in and where? [02:01:54] 1789 errors [02:02:07] 100 errors in 5 minutes. i rawk. [02:03:45] hm [02:04:41] RudyValencia: how much PHP do you know? [02:04:42] now I'm rather buggered. [02:04:57] I don't know very much. [02:05:17] here's an example of how much I know: http://www.drakespizzapalace.com/index.phps [02:05:32] As you can tell, I am not a coder. [02:05:37] weird... [02:05:40] i'm getting: [02:05:41] Upload warning [02:05:42] The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again. [02:05:50] but it's a PNG file, and they've worked before =\ [02:08:52] I am very good when it comes to CSS and HTML, but PHP is not my forte. [02:10:12] 1690 errors [02:10:36] the only reason I'm making this skin is to make it look more like http://www.revelantis.com/ [02:11:00] try to read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning [02:11:01] is it your fifte? [02:11:16] Yeah [02:11:19] It's my site. [02:11:26] oh [02:11:27] that's not what i asked :) [02:11:29] lol [02:11:34] sorry [02:11:43] *NotACow makes lame jokes like that without much warning [02:11:47] PHP isn't even my thirte or my twente [02:11:59] It's not even a zeroe [02:12:04] ;) [02:12:44] yeah, Manual:Skinning seems decent [02:12:48] i dislike php [02:12:59] I don't even understand that. [02:12:59] not this again ;) [02:13:03] It's just snippets. [02:13:15] of all the stuff you need [02:13:28] k [02:13:36] I'll see if I can use them [02:14:16] take your html mockup, rename it to a php file (don't wrap it all in move it to /skins [02:15:19] Alright. [02:15:20] add the stuff from that help file where it belongs, using php tags around the dynamic stuff (things that read of $this->data, $this->html and stuff) [02:15:39] so is it pretty direct? [02:15:47] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning#Head [02:15:58] that's a good one to start with [02:16:59] make a folder in /skin with the name of your skin later, and dump any images and css files needed in there [02:20:18] G_SabinoMullane: the double colons are back? [02:20:25] NotACow: so what about Saddam? [02:20:56] Oh my bad, forgot to push to other box, should be okay now. [02:21:16] I am really starting to want shell ;) [02:21:24] can someone add the toolbar images please [02:21:47] AaronSchulz: what about saddam? [02:21:53] AaronSchulz: he's dead, right? [02:22:03] NotACow: scroll up, I pinged you [02:22:10] AaronSchulz: meh [02:22:16] AaronSchulz: like i want to talk about politics. [02:22:20] AaronSchulz: i have variables to define! [02:22:57] Is User Toolbar the one that has "(Userpage) (Talk) (Preferences) (Watchlist)..." ? [02:23:05] how does the read permission work? [02:23:09] AaronSchulz saddam has became a hero now [02:23:32] RudyValencia: hmm, correct [02:23:59] White_Cat: was that his aim? martyrdom? [02:24:44] AaronSchulz I think not [02:24:53] I think he likes being the leader [02:25:04] and does what he think is best for the country [02:25:05] it's har dto be a hero when you're DEAD [02:25:28] he sees US as something untrustable - no suprises there [02:25:32] well [02:25:34] past tense [02:25:55] AaronSchulz for the most part he wasnt really in control of the country [02:26:00] NotACow: some older philosophies were all about being remembered [02:26:07] the no flyzones were like countries on their own [02:26:16] though I've said that I don't think martyrdom was his aim [02:26:27] he is not an idealogue really [02:26:35] AaronSchulz thats not true [02:26:48] more people wish in iraq that he was still around now than in 2002 [02:27:14] thats the first step in becoming an "ideal hero" [02:27:15] when I say ideologue, I mean someone obsessed with some moral dogma [02:27:23] he was [02:27:36] even hezbollah or alquaida has that as a driving factor [02:27:43] he was a selfish authoritarian that wanted a legacy, I don't believe he really thought he was a hero [02:28:00] AaronSchulz I am not trying to brag about saddam [02:28:05] noooooooooooo [02:28:10] I dislike him as much as anybody [02:28:15] half an hour of inkscape drawing and it crashes! [02:28:17] that's not my point [02:28:23] he was a selfish authoritarian that wanted a legacy, I don't believe he really thought he was a hero [02:28:27] are we talking about tony blair here? [02:28:29] what I mean is the chaos in Iraq will at this rate make a hero out of him [02:28:36] Al Qaeda and Hezbollah nutters *think* they are heros [02:28:43] AaronSchulz exactly [02:28:47] I don't see that Saddam did [02:28:55] they are doing what they believe is "decency" [02:29:23] - which is a very dangerous human instinct to have as a driving factor of an armed group [02:29:40] "indecent must be exterminated" [02:29:46] much like how daleks operate [02:29:56] less sophisticated I suppose [02:31:43] yay! [02:31:49] http://wiki.revelantis.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=caligulapedia <- close [02:32:19] cool [02:32:26] I just need to make the footer a little better. [02:34:01] ...How should I change the footer for this template? [02:40:13] AaronSchulz to put it midly, I dislike whats going on in iraq [02:40:28] iraq needs a rollback [02:40:35] who is the dev for that? [02:49:39] White_Cat: ask the god [02:50:51] no [02:50:55] thats not the dev [02:51:00] 1197 errors [02:51:12] thats more the server [02:54:52] White_Cat: the server is the world [02:55:11] no thats the os [02:55:22] Live 1.0 is developed and supported by god [02:55:24] Yay! :D [02:55:27] thanks [02:55:57] VasilievVV that seems like a m$ kind of support to me [02:57:12] Yeah, Earth is awful, because it was developed by 7 days. No support, no debugging [02:58:53] totally rushed development philosophy [02:59:15] er... 6 days [02:59:21] if only God had taken his time, he might not had have made the big mistakes and designed things like Christians [03:00:00] *VasilievVV don't think he designed World War II. It's a big bug [03:02:00] ww2 is a feature [03:02:04] not a bug [03:02:23] iraq is merely a comma [03:08:07] White_Cat: I think George Bush is a bug of World Fool Generator. [03:08:59] no [03:09:08] George bush is a hardware failiure [03:09:15] a bad secotr if you will [03:09:18] what hardware? [03:09:29] the Earth? [03:09:40] puzzlet nothing that important [03:10:03] ok [03:10:06] he is like those usb aquariums [03:10:24] it can mess up the system and does not have any benefit when working properly [03:12:14] 03aaron * r26490 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: *Fix bad typo [03:12:20] G_SabinoMullane: can you scap the extension again? [03:13:48] White_Cat: I think Live 1.0 forgot to assign value to getPeople("George Bush").IQ, so it's equal to 0 [03:18:08] *VasilievVV looks how OO.o works with formulas [03:18:10] w000t [03:18:15] *MediaWiki export [03:18:19] 995 errors [03:18:36] AaronSchulz: Done, but going to bed soon. [03:18:41] Now it failed only with formulas ([[Image:]], not ) [03:18:57] VasilievVV i think it is an -65000 [03:20:00] White_Cat: no, if it has been so, world would have fallen with fatal error [03:22:02] it has [03:22:38] 03(mod) small change to monobook's main css file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11571 +comment (10zach) [03:24:33] Okay, OO.o export to wikitext format is bad [03:25:46] Really, it exports "" as " " [03:26:16] Also, it's unable to handle colors, font size, etc. [03:31:02] whee [03:31:04] 727 errors [03:31:33] btw, does the World server run POSIZ-compatible OS? [03:33:00] NotACow: what are you doing? trying to validate microsoft.com via validator.w3.org? [03:35:44] i fucking hate tabs [03:36:53] VasilievVV: haha, no [03:45:51] Hi all. Technical question. [03:45:56] On enwiki we just had some pagemove vandalism, and not one but two admins who were fixing this were accidentally blocked. [03:46:04] Would it be possible to modify the blocking message so that if you're about to block another admin, a banner or other sort of warning displays to warn you? [03:46:18] We're debating whether this is possible and no one really knows. [03:47:38] 03(NEW) Current tab highlighting incorrectly applied to other tabs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11595 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (Jason_quinn) [04:03:41] Picaroon9288: seems like a reasonable request [04:03:44] file a bug [04:21:05] meh [04:21:13] another randomly extraneous argument [05:04:17] W00t [05:04:18] 493 errors [05:14:22] 03(mod) Current tab highlighting incorrectly applied to other tabs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11595 (10robchur) [05:14:47] NotACow: What exactly is it that has that many errors? [05:27:05] 03(mod) Current tab highlighting incorrectly applied to other tabs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11595 +comment (10fearow00) [05:44:26] TheFearow: the code i'm working on [05:44:36] it's at 445 errors right now [05:47:05] Thats a lot of errors :p [05:49:17] 416 now [05:49:30] doing more type inferencing [05:49:38] i just committed and am going to bed :) [05:50:39] http://svn.pyrzqxgl.org/websvn/comp.php?repname=pyrzqxgl&path=&compare%5B%5D=%2FMyrtle@338&compare%5B%5D=%2FMyrtle@339 [05:50:43] if you're really curious [05:50:56] what language? [05:50:58] java [05:51:14] Ysy [05:51:17] Yay* [05:51:17] *NotACow is headed to bed [05:51:22] Someone else who likes Java :) [06:02:42] NotACow: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Life [06:02:48] ohh, sexy [06:13:04] NotACow: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Life&action=history [06:13:06] but that is bad [06:13:37] no one can edit :( [06:13:44] http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Life/Draft&action=history [06:13:59] the draft edit rate is lower than the unprotected page [06:28:28] Suggestions for resetting a forgotten WikiSysop password? [06:35:51] mail yourself a new password [06:44:38] flyingparchment, duh. thanks. [06:45:15] i'm trying to copy a working production install of a mediawiki (1.11) to a local sandbox for testing out an extension.. the server is linux and runs great but my dev machine is osX and I'm trying to use a premade MAMP environment. [06:45:50] so.. on the dev machine, my index.html that redirect to ./wiki/Main_page is breaking [06:46:24] and when I try to hit the mediawiki directory directly I get an unable to connect to DB error.. [06:46:37] any clues / pointers as to where to start debugging ? [06:56:40] 03siebrand * r26491 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesBpy.php: digitTransformTable for bpy. [06:57:47] ugh, i think i figured it out - I forgot I'd messed around with httpd.conf.. :( [07:07:58] Is there any way to completely hide IP addresses for anon users? [07:10:21] 03(NEW) Watchlist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11596 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (wikibug) [07:11:02] whee, upgraded to 1.11. [07:11:52] 03siebrand * r26492 10/trunk/ (9 files in 9 dirs): [07:11:52] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [07:11:52] * Fixes and additions to 7 extensions for hy (Armenian) [07:11:52] * Core messages update for hy [07:13:19] ivarv: If you want any help, I also run an OSX dev machine with MAMP, and i'd be happy to help you with any problems with that [07:26:10] TheFearow, thanks.. it was a bit of a ride since I hadn't had to deal with configuration issues (php.ini & httpd.conf) in a while, but everything is happy now.. [07:35:53] 03siebrand * r26493 10/trunk/extensions/ (19 files in 18 dirs): [07:35:53] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [07:35:53] * Fixes and additions to 18 extensions for ar, bcl, br, fr [07:37:06] 03siebrand * r26494 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (5 files): [07:37:06] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [07:37:06] * ar, bcl, br, fr, sdc [07:50:51] having hard time finding good instructions for how to restore a mediawiki backup [07:51:02] i'm using 1.7 both on the original and new [07:51:10] and i have the sql dump file [07:51:14] mysql dump file [07:57:16] <_wooz> lo [07:57:26] 03(NEW) Postgres needs updating - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11597 major; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (dioptre) [07:59:49] 03(NEW) code needs updating to work with postgres - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11598 04CRIT; high; MediaWiki: Database; (dioptre) [08:03:44] hi i'm lookin' for tim [08:03:46] !? [08:03:50] is he here [08:04:27] 03(mod) code needs updating to work with postgres - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11598 (10dioptre) [08:31:37] Hi, What is Board vote admin? (user type) [08:44:07] damn you semantic forms [08:45:10] Sadik: it had to do with the elections for the wikimedia foundation board of trustees [08:45:20] http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Darkoneko [08:47:01] 03raymond * r26495 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (messageTypes.inc messages.inc): * Update message maintenance files for new message, added in r26477. [08:47:23] anybody familiar with the SemanticForms extension? [08:48:29] i am getting a fatal error: Call to undefined method SMW_LanguageEn::getDatatypeLabel() in /var/www/wiki.zachhauri.com/w/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc on line 26 [08:49:10] thanks, problem solved with #wikimedia-tech [09:14:53] 03raymond * r26496 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesNds_nl.php): * (bug 11591) Update Dutch Low Saxon [09:16:47] hey guys [09:17:04] 03(FIXED) Update MessagesNds_nl.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11591 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [09:17:30] 03(mod) Nds-nl: interface language on other Wikipedias - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11590 (10raimond.spekking) [09:18:38] hey anybody knows how to disable login for mediawiki [09:21:07] 03(mod) Set logo for Hawaiian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11583 +shell (10raimond.spekking) [09:21:18] !access | Maj [09:21:18] Maj: For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [09:21:35] cool thanks mwbot [09:22:59] 03(FIXED) New-messages bar not coming up and/ or getting stuck up for IP addresses - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 +comment (10Andrew) [09:23:30] :-) [09:30:59] 03raymond * r26497 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesLt.php): [09:30:59] * (bug 9742) Update Lithuanian [09:30:59] Patch by Edgaras [09:31:51] 03(FIXED) Update for Lithuanian language (lt) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9742 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [09:51:34] hi everyone! [09:51:47] i'm having a problem with my mediawiki installation using short urls via .htaccess [09:52:07] links haven't been updated and still uses "index.php" everywhee [09:52:11] everywhere* [09:52:48] here is the wiki: http://icart.shtak.fr/wiki/. i can upload my LocalSettings.php and .htaccess if you wan't [11:09:22] 03(NEW) Undo should automatically be a minor edit like rollback - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11599 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (axel9891) [11:49:53] i've installed mediawiki but now it's not adding new entries? [11:50:32] "new entries"? [11:50:55] i'll tell u the exact error [11:51:33] from within function "". MySQL returned error "1194: Table 'searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (lotus.worldispnetwork.com)". [11:51:41] hi, I've been told I've to activate the HTMLtidy parameter, where can I find it ? [11:51:54] how should i repair this table? [11:56:22] ask TimStarling, he's smart ;) [11:57:39] ok [11:58:02] i wanted to know things regarding to the administartion of MediaWiki [11:58:09] protecting the pages etc [11:58:24] Is there a way to protect all the pages at a time? [11:59:12] BalanceRestored: no. But you can restrict "edit" permission to only sysop group [11:59:34] $wgGroupPermission['*']['edit'] = false; [11:59:58] ok [12:00:06] where's that parameter located? [12:00:22] $wgGroupPermission['']['edit'] = false; [12:00:28] Oops.. [12:00:31] on with page is that ? [12:00:34] $wgGroupPermission['user']['edit'] = false; [12:00:44] $wgGroupPermission['sysop']['edit'] = true; [12:00:49] great [12:00:53] It's on LocalSettings.php [12:00:59] wow [12:01:24] i've not yet allowed the pages to be crawled [12:01:40] i better do those setting before I am in a mess [12:02:03] I have pbs with templates, and someone give me the info that I have to activate the parameter HTMLtidy, where is that parameter please ? [12:02:24] I am getting this error [12:02:40] from within function "". MySQL returned error "1194: Table 'searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired [12:02:50] how can i get that resolved? [12:03:24] I think you have to repair table 'searchindex' [12:08:07] is there a easy way you know I repair that table? [12:08:15] and it seems that keep happening a lot [12:08:20] i've read that all over [12:09:45] BalanceRestored: I also have no ideas [12:09:58] ok [12:10:14] i find that this bug is fixed [12:10:22] do u know how to patch it up [12:10:29] http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA-general/Projects/GAIA/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Contents [12:10:36] i got some details here [12:10:43] but there's nothing about the fix [12:11:16] Hi, sb please have a look at http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%98%D9%87:Contributions&offset=20060823081857&limit=1000&target=Soroush [12:11:47] it wants 1000 of user contributions to be showed but... [12:11:52] it doesn't happen [12:12:39] I think this is a bug in mediawiki. If you see this as well, maybe I should report this bug to bugzilla [12:12:48] Soroush81: maybe user doesn't have 1000 edits? [12:14:44] VasilievVV, I have more than 5000edits [12:14:44] it's the first time I see this [12:15:46] Soroush81: maybe because of offset? [12:16:09] I didn't generate url myself [12:16:28] mediawiki did it by clicking on oldest. [12:16:42] and the offset looks to be correct [12:17:22] &offset=200608230818 [12:17:28] Remove it [12:19:20] VasilievVV, look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20011213170157&limit=500&target=Jimbo+Wales [12:19:37] these are not 500 either [12:20:09] Yes, because it's oldest edits since 2001.12.13 17:01:57 [12:20:37] go to the page and generate the url using mediawiki yourself. I'm getting sure this is a bug [12:21:14] but I just hava an account in bugzilla. This will be the first bug I'm reporting. I hope to do a good job [12:23:14] 03raymond * r26498 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): * Update German [12:26:05] Is there a way to get my old conversations? [12:26:09] here [12:26:11] ? [12:26:24] i got disconnected :( [12:27:30] BalanceRestpored, come again.. ? [12:27:37] *BalanceRestored.. [12:28:34] BalanceRestored, switch your irc client logging on for that [12:28:58] ok [12:29:07] not sure if this chan has its own log [12:29:09] are you aware of a good client [12:29:33] I use xchat [12:29:36] that's does not allow virus? [12:29:43] who could help with templates ? [12:29:45] *Jack_Phoenix uses XChat too [12:29:48] KVIrc maybe? [12:30:43] ok [12:31:02] re [12:31:42] NomX, terve :) [12:32:00] terver Jack :) [12:32:06] *terve [12:32:11] BalanceRestored, I think Prax0d has a log of the channel... [12:32:21] yes [12:32:26] *Prax01D [12:32:31] that's what is said [12:32:35] so how to reach it? [12:33:12] I thought the chat archives for this channel, #mediawiki were password-protected... [12:33:20] is it a robot? [12:33:52] yay [12:33:53] 400 errors! [12:34:01] how to use it? [12:34:17] Jack_Phoenix, they might be, I just remember Prax01D looked through them one time, perhaps he has a pass? [12:34:27] true [12:34:32] NotACow: that's a lot of errors ;-) [12:34:41] Jack_Phoenix: not really; there were over 5000 a few days ago [12:34:51] :o [12:35:58] there's another 300 unchecked exception errors that i'm suppressing for now [12:36:01] I've started downloading KVIrc [12:36:12] i hope it's free from virus [12:37:14] BalanceRestored, you can also look at mIRC(.co.uk) it is virus free, however, it only stays that way if you know what you are doing.. (ie. don't run any unknown scripts) [12:37:38] with mIRC i used to get kicked a lot [12:37:48] and was completely banned [12:37:54] 03(NEW) Wording change on "create new account" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11600 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (FT2.wiki) [12:37:55] for no mistake of mine [12:41:09] BalanceRestored, I have no understanding as to why one is connected to the other :) -> why would you be banned for using mIRC? [12:42:10] 03(mod) Samogitian wikipedia namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11557 +comment (10zordsdavini) [12:43:53] how do you write consice, like (to the point)... ? [12:44:00] 03(NEW) Not showing all requested counts of contributions since the oldest contributes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11601 major; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (Soroush83) [12:44:33] hey, I've just reported a bug. [12:45:07] can sb who is experienced have a look at it and tell me if I have done it good [12:45:15] 14(INVALID) Waiting for creation and namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8150 (10zordsdavini) [12:45:44] 03(CLOSED) Waiting for creation and namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8150 (10zordsdavini) [12:47:58] I have a template that open a menu with four tabs, then another template add text under the first one, and the third, closes the first one. The pb i have is that the text is not between template 1 and template 3, but after template 3 with a tag the template I want to have is the one we get on wikipedia portal. [12:49:55] Soroush81: I don't get it. [12:50:11] Soroush81: sure there aren't 500 changes displayed, that's because there aren't 500 more changes. [12:50:53] Werdna, there are more. for sure [12:51:11] I have more than 5000 edits since my first edit [12:51:17] ... Not before March 11, 2001. [12:51:38] yeah, but there aren't 500 changes earlier than the offset date. [12:51:39] and jimbo does for sure [12:52:15] 14(INVALID) Not showing all requested counts of contributions since the oldest contributes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11601 +comment (10Andrew) [12:52:22] mediawiki gives me those links [12:52:41] sure, but they're the *next* 500 changes [12:52:45] if you've got 540 changes [12:52:49] and you view the first 40 [12:52:57] erm, view the first 500 [12:53:10] then click "next 500", there aren't another 500 to display [12:53:16] so MediaWiki just shows what's left - 40 changes. [12:56:33] but when sb has 5000 edits and he clicks on the oldest [12:56:41] and then click on 500 [12:56:57] it should show the first 500 edits he has done [12:57:12] it is what sb expects it to happen [12:58:25] hmm.. perhaps we need to store whether somebody's clicked "oldest". [13:00:28] 03(mod) Not showing all requested counts of contributions since the oldest contributes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11601 +comment (10Soroush83) [13:01:02] sorry [13:01:29] maybe I've missed sth. May you let me know if concerned to me? [13:02:45] Yes, for bug reports you typically want to explain the problem like this [13:02:51] 1) Steps to reproduce the problem [13:02:59] 2) What you expected MediaWiki to do [13:03:07] 3) What MediaWiki did instead. [13:03:21] 4) (optional) ideas on how to fix it, or what might have caused it [13:03:44] ok. I'll write it to bugzilla now. Thanks [13:04:41] brion, Werdna and others: anything on http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7803 ? it's be cool to see a namespace manager added to the core code :) [13:05:26] *Werdna goes to bed [13:05:27] nn [13:05:32] 03(NEW) Change sitename for bat-smg.wp - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11602 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (raimond.spekking) [13:05:35] 03(mod) Samogitian wikipedia namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11557 (10raimond.spekking) [13:10:31] 03(mod) Not showing all requested counts of contributions since the oldest contributes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11601 +comment (10axel9891) [13:16:19] for current wikimedia version I should see http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/ [13:16:22] don't I? [13:17:45] Yes, it's /trunk/phase3 [13:17:59] hi there. i'm on 1.82 and plan to upgrade to the latest version. i've heard that one should do all changes to MW using SVN for easier upgrades later (what i didn't do but know plan to). is there a doc somewhere how to do it? [13:19:13] Vasilie include/SpecialContributions.php have been changed 6 days before [13:19:37] I think the problem has caused in some recent changes [13:20:14] VasilievVV, and I take a diff in svn? [13:20:42] and I Can I [13:20:58] oh sorry I found [13:22:30] Soroush81: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialContributions.php?view=log [13:22:38] bbl [13:23:06] hi. is there a way of having my mediawiki insert {{Contents}} (which is a contents bar) at the top of every wiki page automatically (apart from 'Contents' itself ;) ? [13:31:07] please? [13:35:07] nipsirc: you can always edit the skin itself.. [13:41:37] aah :) thanks! [13:42:21] thanks VasilieVV, I just posted a complementary comment to my bug report [13:43:00] howeer the recent changes don't look to cause the problems [13:43:34] but I'm not sure if links in special pages are generated in them [13:43:49] 03raymond * r26499 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesBat_smg.php: [13:43:49] * (bug 11557) Samogitian namespace names [13:43:49] Aliases from fallback 'lt' added to avoid broken links. [13:44:19] and if usual links like (500,250,100,50,20).... are generated somewhere else [13:44:30] the problem might arise from there [13:45:30] Soroush81: this pages are generated by generic SpecialPage class [13:46:13] thanks. but I think it needs to add a &dir=prev to link [13:46:19] to fix the problem [13:46:44] 03(FIXED) Samogitian wikipedia namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11557 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [13:53:21] blop. [13:55:59] 03(mod) When hiding minor/bot edits in unexpanded watchlist, edits are not shown at all if the most recent edit is non-minor/non-bot - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11596 summary (10roan.kattouw) [13:58:23] another extraneous method argument! [13:58:34] do you people just add arguments to method calls at random? [13:59:04] 04(REOPENED) Not showing all requested counts of contributions since the oldest contributes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11601 +comment (10Soroush83) [14:00:39] 03(mod) Not showing all requested counts of contributions since the oldest contributes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11601 (10Soroush83) [14:03:04] 03(mod) Not showing all requested counts of contributions since the oldest contributes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11601 (10Soroush83) [14:04:18] damn it hadn't saved my edits when I told it in irc before. i han't take enough attention at its message [14:06:07] I assume that templates aren't interwiki? [14:13:44] hello, need help with templates [14:15:29] DigitallyBorn: actually you can enable interwiki templates, but doing so is somewhat scary [14:16:06] NotACow: Is there a better way to snag a lot of the common templates? [14:16:31] NotACow: Perhaps a library of pre-made templates I can import? [14:16:34] I'm trying to make templates to work on my wiki, but they don't. I tried copy/paste to test, and they work on wikipedia, not mine [14:16:59] Arvernes: What I've noticed is a deep nested hierarchy of templates on WP [14:17:27] 03mkroetzsch * r26500 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_String.php: Simplified code. [14:17:28] Arvernes: Simply copy/pasting will take you years to duplicate all the dependant templates [14:17:55] yes, that's part of the problem. I don't understand for example why some templates give good result on wikipedia, and on mine, I still have a sole tag. [14:18:37] Arvernes: Like I said, there's probably another template somewhere you're missing [14:18:53] If I add the code into the page itself, it works, if I create a template with the same code, it doesn't. weird. [14:19:55] Arvernes: Show me? (I'm kind of new to templates, but I may be able to help) [14:20:03] ok [14:21:26] http://www.arvernes.com/wiki/index.php/Utilisateur:Fm [14:21:39] this is it with the culprit code inside the page itself. [14:23:56] 14(DUP) When hiding minor/bot edits in unexpanded watchlist, edits are not shown at all if the most recent edit is non-minor/non-bot - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11596 +comment (10webboy) [14:24:03] 03(mod) Watchlist doesn' t show earlier normal edits when hiding bot edits, own edits or minor edits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9790 +comment (10webboy) [14:24:22] the culprit is the template "intro-box-header". Into the page itself, the text is well displayed. If you remove the code, just below "headertabs", and add the template {{Intro-box-header}} it doesn't [14:25:07] 03catrope * r26501 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [14:25:07] * (bug 11173) Allow limited wikicode rendering via api.php [14:25:07] * (bug 11572) API should provide interface for expanding templates [14:25:07] Patches by VasilevVV [14:26:09] Arvernes: In the template code, you're missing a [14:26:40] 03(FIXED) API should provide interface for expanding templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11572 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [14:26:46] 03(FIXED) allow limited wikicode rendering via api.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11173 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [14:26:48] in which template ? [14:27:12] in the little block of code after {{HeaderTabs}} [14:27:19] DigitallyBorn: I just copy/paste. But maybe with all the tests I did ... [14:27:29] hello there.. any ideas how should I create Special:Captcha/image to be used with confirmedit+fancycaptcha? I'm running 1.6 series, mostly because php5 isn't available atm :P [14:27:39] for some reason it just says that there's no such special page at all [14:27:40] eww php4 [14:27:45] Arvernes: You may have copied/pasted, but there's some html issue .. it's not a template issue [14:27:47] DigitallyBorn: yes, but Box-footer should add it [14:28:19] take a look to box-footer, there is one extra tag which should close the div tag [14:28:20] 03rfrisar * r26502 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/languages/messages/ (MessagesEe.php MessagesGan.php): Merged with trunk: 26100-26132 [14:29:39] 03(mod) Watchlist doesn' t show earlier normal edits when hiding bot edits, own edits or minor edits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9790 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [14:29:41] DigitallyBorn: and surprisingly, we get inside the box, the extra tag [14:34:32] DigitallyBorn: from what I see, the intro-box-header has one
tag opened. The box-footer has one opening
tag, and two closing
tags, so the latest should close the one from the intro-box-header - This works fine in wikipedia, not here [14:35:05] Arvernes: There is probably something wrong in between [14:35:28] Arvernes: Your best bet is to start simplifying the page and templates as much as possible [14:36:08] DigitallyBorn: hmmm, yes, but what ;-) - when the code of the intro-box-header in written into the page itself it works, and when it's a template it doesn't. yes about simplifying [14:43:23] DigitallyBorn: could it be a bug ? [14:44:30] 03(mod) Some squid caches serving stale image and thumbnail versions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7807 +comment (10mail) [14:44:33] Arvernes: I very much doubt that you're seeing a bug. [14:46:37] 03(NEW) Portal namespace for Vietnamese Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11603 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (thanhquang.nguyen) [14:46:43] the pb is with that intro-box-header. [14:47:16] 03(mod) Portal namespace for Vietnamese Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11603 (10thanhquang.nguyen) [14:47:44] DigitallyBorn: could it be a question of stylesheet ... [14:47:49] <[karsten]> Arvernes, not a bug, your HTML is wrong [14:48:07] <[karsten]> you're using empty div tags twice before there [14:49:09] 03(mod) Portal namespace for Vietnamese Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11603 +shell (10roan.kattouw) [14:49:43] <[karsten]> otherwise clean up the indentation and tell me how all those div boxes should look like exactly [14:50:12] karsten: as I said, the box-footer should close those opened div tags. [14:50:13] <[karsten]> I strongly recommend to either indent your stuff properly or use an advanced editor [14:52:44] <[karsten]> here, maybe this might help: http://i24.tinypic.com/2f0f67l.png [14:54:58] karsten: give a look to my page. you will see how the text is not embedded , then follow the link "test", and see the result. I don't understand why the template gives good result with its code itself in a page, and not when called as a template [14:57:04] <[karsten]> what exactly are you trying to do? [14:57:11] <[karsten]> I see the two pages and they seem okay [14:57:24] <[karsten]> http://www.arvernes.com/wiki/index.php/Utilisateur:Fm [14:57:25] <[karsten]> http://www.arvernes.com/wiki/index.php/Test [14:58:00] <[karsten]> ah, ic [14:58:02] no, on test, it's ok, on the user page, it's not. the text is outside the border [14:58:24] <[karsten]> you mean the div is closed even though you don't have that in your wiki text for "Test" ? [14:58:34] how can I link to an article's edit page? [14:58:49] yes, that's a test of course. [14:59:19] <[karsten]> well, the parser automatically closes open tags, much similar to Tidy, I presume [14:59:20] when I add all the templates, it gives me the same bad result. I did that just for tests purpose [14:59:57] <[karsten]> DigitallyBorn, just use the URL with the edit in place [15:00:01] DigitallyBorn: once you don't remove the text below the