[00:03:23] is anyone here familiar with the CSS that powers mediawiki's tabs? [00:03:58] I'm trying to isolate the feature that hides the border of the content region under the active tab [00:16:06] 03nickj * r26562 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): eol style + full stop tweak [00:55:49] 03(mod) should mediawiki_mysql2postgres.pl use "--compatible=postgres"? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11608 (10fleming) [01:11:19] 03(FIXED) should mediawiki_mysql2postgres.pl use "--compatible=postgres"? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11608 +comment (10greg) [01:11:38] 03david * r26563 10/branches/liquidthreads/ (5 files in 2 dirs): New, faster database schema. Source maintenance/lqt-schema-change-3.sql before use. Test first on inconsequential data. [01:24:31] 03greg * r26564 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/postgres/mediawiki_mysql2postgres.pl: Add notes about alternate methods [02:39:55] Hi! I need help configuring my Wiki's email. My host and I have been working on it, and I've gone from getting a blank page to an "Error: 1" every time I go to send a message. [02:42:22] Hm ... it seems I'm recieving the messages! But the server is reporting an error anyway. [04:21:57] whee [04:22:04] two more dmodules done [04:22:06] Title is next [04:28:09] *Werdna tickles NotACow [04:29:17] me watches as NotACow is unable to work [04:29:27] *TheFearow * [05:31:12] 03(mod) inputbox.php should parse and - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5210 +comment (10webmaster) [05:43:18] 03(mod) Remove "Do you want to purge" screen for anons on Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11617 (10fearow00) [05:56:58] On my MediaWiki install I can login and edit pages just fine, but when I try to change my preferences they don't save, no errors. Any ideas? [06:03:45] 03(mod) Allow &from= and &until= in URL parameters simultaneously. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2448 summary; +comment (10webmaster) [06:15:35] On my MediaWiki install I can login and edit pages just fine, but when I try to change my preferences nothing happens, they don't change, no errors are displayed. Any ideas? [07:11:52] 03(NEW) We don't call User:: isValidEmailAddr during accout creation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11620 minor; lowest; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mediazilla.20.nickj) [07:21:45] <_wooz> lo [07:38:36] Werdna: with the userCan hook, I find myself wanting to explain why the user cannot do something... however it seems to display: "You are not allowed to execute the action you have requested." Is there some way to get it to say "You cannot do this because of X"? [07:39:26] nickj: userCan is deprecated, use getUserPermissionsErrors [07:40:37] okay, cool, will do, but does getUserPermissionErrors let me specify a reason for something failing? [07:40:39] I'm not sure of the status of the hook in that one.. but you're welcome to fix it. [07:41:00] You should be able to return a message and optionally parameters in the hook routine [07:41:03] if I was half-sane. [07:41:20] cool, that sounds like exactly what I'm looking for, thank you. [07:41:36] unfortunately, I suspect I was not half-sane [07:41:40] *Werdna checks [07:42:01] nope, apparently not. [07:42:05] I'll add a better hook. [07:43:09] Cool, thank you :-) [07:50:30] how does this look? [07:50:31] http://www.devanywhere.com/ViewPub.php?id=42 [07:51:08] Werdna: by the way, I've run some basic google ads on "mediawiki developers" & co ... however you also get ads like this one: "Get 176 hours of work at $1450 only", which equates to $8/hr, which is just insane. I'm tempted to change the ad to say "expensive, but you get what you pay for" ;-) [07:51:16] looking now... [07:53:10] nickj: awesome. [07:53:33] I am testing clamav virus scanning in Mediawiki ( download eicar.com rename to withvirus.jpg ) the message that I get is "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again." is mediawiki checking the file before virus scanning or is my anti virus setup incorrect? [07:53:47] mediawiki is checking it first [07:53:56] it notices that it's not really a JPEG file, and so it rejects it. [07:54:48] But what if a virus is build to make use of a error in the software that checks the format? [07:55:42] I don't understand the question [07:56:05] Also, how can I check it? shall I just append the virus to a valid picture? [07:56:16] yes. [07:57:41] My first question, a virus always makes use of programming errors, so what if a virus uses a programming error in the software that checks the file format? It would make sense if the files are first checked for a virus and then handled [07:58:44] I believe there are very few ways a magic-number checker could be exploited. [07:59:38] But do you see my ( possible ) point of this build in the wrong order? [08:03:30] I added the eicar test virus to a valid jpeg file and Mediawiki did not stop the upload [08:04:08] I checked clamav and it does find the virus [08:06:13] cool [08:07:21] Very strange in the upload dir i end up with a non-infected version [08:08:30] Werdna: awesome, works great. Was expecting a literal string as the error message, but it's taking a message ID, but that works too. Is it worth having a boolean check though on the hook, to make it easy for people to port from the old to the new? [08:08:51] E.g. something roughly like: http://p.defau.lt/?zb90AmLTWVTki06iTUzgxw [08:09:20] sure [08:09:33] but that's wrong, btw [08:09:41] oh no, I see [08:10:58] it could be easily be wrong ;-) it was more meant as an example (e.g. I'm not sure what the meaning on array() is, as opposed to null). [08:12:17] 03mkroetzsch * r26565 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/ (9 files): removed style from message. Error styles are now controlled in PHP. [08:14:22] nickj: http://pastebin.ca/731656 [08:16:32] 03mkroetzsch * r26566 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/SMW_refreshData.php: Additional parameter for starting refresh script at a later page id for continuing partial refreshs. [08:16:48] Werdna: just get a blank page on the http://pastebin.ca/731656 URL. [08:16:59] ... [08:17:33] http://p.defau.lt/?A9BNx7kvN7kzQPSPjoEsVQ [08:24:06] Seems a little complicated ... my head hurts :-( Why do we need the first two conditions, rather than just one - i.e. can it be "$errors[] = $result;" or "$errors = array_merge( $errors, $result );" for both, and test just be "if( is_array($result) )" ? [08:25:27] hi [08:26:55] i am programming a bot for mediawiki, but now, I don't know why it will not save an article. MediaWiki (Wikipedia) says everytime: "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in." - Although i logout after every bot process. [08:28:05] PetarM: have you checked all the hidden fields on the edit form? I think there's one for edittime, which tends to mess people up. [08:28:26] nickj: because you can pass back an individual error or a list of errors [08:28:39] and each error is an array, the first element being the message name and subsequent being arguments [08:29:07] yeah, all fields are sent back. the engine worked well before this morning, so i don't know, why it doesn't work now :( [08:29:29] PetarM: in that case, sorry, I dunno. [08:29:35] easy [08:30:16] Hmm, weird. I had expected there to be an extension that tracks which pages link (refer) to a Mediawiki page? Doesn't that exist or am I just blind :) [08:30:38] doesn't need an extension [08:30:42] Special:Whatlinkshere [08:31:34] but that doesn't include external links (i.e. from other sites), does it? [08:34:19] it doesn't, because it's impossible to scan the web in such way :) [08:34:43] to find _some_ of links, you can use google (link:some.wiki-site.com/wiki/Page) [08:35:39] it's pretty easy to find those links (when they are actually used) by checking the referrer header on incoming requests :) [08:36:52] if you don't care about diskspace, you can turn logging on and see referers for all the pages [08:37:08] then use grep to find a page you need [08:37:24] I have that, and I'm also using Google Analytics which also helps (a bit) [08:37:36] Werdna: hmm... okay, that makes more sense ... It seems like $results is maybe being used for too much, or is being too tolerant of bad or mixed data? I don't know, I just look at the code and feel unsure - $result can be a single element array, a nested array, or a string... [08:37:48] correct. [08:38:03] it probably is being overtolerant [08:38:06] but if I comment it... [08:38:35] but it would be trivial (I think :D) to create an extension that would record the referrers in the database and show them on the 'Whatlinkshere' page for instance. That is, if you know how to create an extension :D So I had expected someone to have already created soemthing like this. Rather surprised to see that I'm wrong :) [08:39:35] we'd probably need a hook for whatlinkshere [08:39:48] Out of time, gotta go organise dinner - but as long as I can have some way of explaining why something is not allowed, then I'm happy :-) [08:39:59] bye! [08:50:12] 03(mod) some Functions don't Work with PostgreSQL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11331 (10N/A) [09:07:06] 03mkroetzsch * r26567 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: Fixed querying for categories when hierarchy is disabled. [09:20:59] hi all [09:21:16] is there any way of converting a doc file into wiki formatted content [09:23:09] as far as I know, OpenOffice has such kind of filters [09:23:40] but although they should work well for most cases, you should review the results before saving [09:25:15] 03(mod) Mongolian Wikipedia Tagline - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11483 (10N/A) [09:32:29] enhydra, can u suggest me the filter of openoffice ? [09:32:53] no, I've just heard about it and I'm not familiar with the subject [09:33:02] I just prefer writing wiki-text from scratch ;) [09:34:06] good morning [09:34:44] enhydra, but ts tool painful for doing that for tables in wiki, as tables in wiki syntax is too difficult [09:35:15] maybe it's hard to understand from the first time, you should just get used to it [09:35:44] I know about some for HTML->Wikitext convertors especially for tables [09:35:48] one moment.. [09:38:58] try exporting to CSV and use http://area23.brightbyte.de/csv2wp.php [09:40:20] (by the way, if you find wikitables difficult for understanding, you may find this format interesting:) [09:40:20] {| [09:40:20] |row1col1||row1col2||row1col3 [09:40:20] |- [09:40:20] |row2col1||row2col2||row2col3 [09:40:21] |} [09:52:26] enhydra, how can we export a doc/odt format into csv [09:52:34] that too, those are tables, [09:56:59] 03werdna * r26568 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt includes/Title.php): [09:56:59] * Add a new hook getUserPermissionsErrors, which is a more modern version of the [09:56:59] userCan hook. userCan hook marked as deprecated, as this one allows you to [09:56:59] actually say to the user WHY they can't edit an article, as opposed to just that [09:56:59] they can't. [09:57:00] As a side-note, magic_quotes_gpc sucks. Two file-saves with it on, and I spent 45 minutes fixing it up, with a hacky perl script. [10:08:16] 03(mod) Page moves should not create double redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4578 (10N/A) [10:08:35] <_neb> hey, i was wondering if it might be possible to protect parts of mediawiki so only certain users may view it? [10:13:50] <_neb> ah, s'ok - think i've got it [10:19:58] hi, can someone tell me what is the wiki syntax for creating a link to text with spacing [10:20:08] for example, if want to create a page, with a+b, then i willl use [10:20:15] [[a+b|a=b]] [10:20:21] but its displaying the same way, instead of displaying as a link with a+b name [10:22:42] indraveni: I'm not sure I understand what you want: The general syntax for internal links is [[Linkname|Displayed link text]] [10:23:08] BrokenArrow, yes, using this samw general syntaxt [10:23:20] BrokenArrow, i want a name seperated with + symbol [10:23:58] BrokenArrow, like, Linkname will be somethign lke "a+b" and displayed link must be "a+b" [10:24:10] I'm not sure + is a valid character in link names (page titles), depending on settings [10:24:55] If link name == link title, you don't need the | syuntax, just use [[linkname]] [10:48:23] hi all [10:48:54] info Hessam [10:51:34] someone could help me for mediawiki -> my problem is -> www.nezdmeg.hu/problem.jpg (table parsing failure) [10:56:39] attosz_HUN: have you imported all the relevant templates, css classes and extensions (probably parserfunctions will be needed)? [10:56:53] also, is tidy enabled on your wiki? [11:08:58] re [11:09:56] in case it hasn't been pasted here already: http://xkcd.com/327/ [11:24:26] BrokenArrow i think so yes, just some table not show correctly [11:36:01] attosz_HUN: In order to get a clean page view, I've had to copy the following templates in addition to Template:Infobox musical artist : Template:Image class, Template:Infobox musical artist/color selector and Template:Infobox musical artist/hCard Class‎ - I do have Tidy enabled, fwiw [12:07:22] Can anyone tell me when the 1.6 series of releases will be end of lifed? [12:10:01] whee [12:10:04] 1364 edits [12:10:05] er [12:10:07] 1364 errors [12:12:19] ALZ: they're already end-of-lifed, I think [12:12:27] they still live [12:12:40] they're kept for "If you absolutely MUST use PHP4 - which is end-of-lifed Dec31" [12:12:40] just your chances of getting meaningful support for such an ancient version is low [12:12:53] yeees [12:13:04] *NotACow still runs MW 1.4.3 :) [12:13:08] I mean, I've only been around since 1.7 [12:13:15] my first changes went through in 1.8, I think. [12:13:39] good god, that reminds me. I was going to do some blocking changes these holidays [12:13:42] never happened [12:14:01] by the way, NotACow, if you're the developery sort, I was wondering if you could alpha/beta-test http://www.devanywhere.com [12:16:12] Werdna: remind me tomorrow [12:16:22] *NotACow is off to work [12:16:31] bye [12:29:14] hello, how i can block some pages on mediawiki? [12:31:35] m? [12:36:21] what do you mean with 'block'? [12:41:19] 03kim * r26569 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) [12:41:19] * UI changes [12:41:19] * App.php changes tab operation for UI. [12:41:19] Side effect: my own config gets stored in svn too [12:41:19] Future: specific config stuff to separate file [12:41:20] Future: split out i18n while we're at it too. [12:41:22] * Copy.php tidied [12:44:03] how i can block some pages on mediawiki? [12:44:24] hunt_: what do you mean 'block'? [12:44:37] block = allow [12:45:36] that doesn't make much sense. [12:47:07] how i can forbid editing some pages on mediawiki? [12:48:23] hunt_: protect them [12:48:31] how? [12:49:41] Werdna:: ? [12:52:01] hunt_: there's a protect tab at the top of the article. click it. [12:56:11] 03(mod) Page moves should not create double redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4578 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:06:10] 03(mod) some Functions don't Work with PostgreSQL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11331 (10greg) [14:07:19] Werdna: interesting idea [14:08:02] Werdna: not terribly useful for me since i do most of my development on y laptop currently and i have a sufficiently good IDE :) [14:09:33] *Duesentrieb_ wonders if he should start to use eclipse for php development [14:17:55] *PunkRock wonders if Eclipse will cause a disease on Duesentrieb ;) [14:35:43] Duesentrieb_: i've used eclipse to look at PHP code; it seems to do ok at that. [14:35:58] Duesentrieb_: however, it doesn't have all the spiffies it does for java development :) [14:36:32] Duesentrieb_: there do seem to be some capabilities for debugging and testing PHP, but as i haven't used them i can't comment. [14:36:54] *NotACow has only used them by accident [14:37:15] hmkay [14:38:58] Duesentrieb_: it does seem to have a good syntax coloring engine, at least [14:40:17] i remember not liking the eclipse php plugin much, but i don't recall why [14:40:22] i think something about the editor [14:40:30] flyingparchment: "it's not vi"? [14:40:37] heh [14:40:45] i actually like IDEs for Java [14:40:49] it's such a verbose language, who couldn't ;) [14:40:54] indeed [14:40:57] (i prefer IDEA to Eclipse, but it's commercial..) [14:41:04] i don't touch java without eclipse [14:41:11] but until now, i do all my php in a plain editor [14:41:23] but i'm ready to change my ways... [14:41:26] i mostly use vim to hack on mediawiki [14:41:52] now it has tabs in particular.. it's great for opening lots of files [14:41:56] never tried IDEA, but a lot of people like it. i used netbeans ages ago, it sucked... but perhaps it has improved by now. [14:42:37] anybody know a way to recursively import photos in mediawiki [14:43:08] Duesentrieb_: netbeans has a nice servlet debugger [14:43:18] Duesentrieb_: it inserts a filter into tomcat that lets you trace http requests and such [14:45:24] there's a lot of this kind of stuff for eclipse too. though i only ever used the most basic one [14:45:36] which basically launches tomcate in the eclipse debugger, period. [14:45:45] i tried eclipse, i found i had to constantly switch between the J2EE view and the Java view [14:45:52] got annoying after a while [14:46:01] you can tell it not to [14:46:08] put all you want into one view, stay there [14:46:13] no, i had to, some things were only on one or the other view [14:46:14] i did that for a couple of years [14:46:29] well, you can easily change what is on which view... [14:47:12] first thing i usually do is: make the debug view look almost exactly like the java view. [14:48:15] yeah, customize your views, that's why they let you do that :) [14:49:39] *AzaTht informs that bug 5678 still is not fixed [14:50:09] AzaTht: fix it yourself :) [14:50:52] azatht is like the opposite of wikibugs, a bot that tells when bugs don't change? [14:51:09] 03aaron * r26570 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php: [14:51:09] *Simplify message loading syntax a tad [14:51:09] *Make hook return false on validation failure to be safe [14:51:17] hehe [14:51:28] NotACow: I already have fixed it duh [14:51:40] I did post a working patch [14:51:58] NotACow: but I do not have svn write access [14:52:25] AzaTht: so stop whining and get svn commit access :) [14:52:33] :-P [14:52:40] brion-office: I want svn write access [14:52:59] *NotACow giggles [14:53:13] your problemi s that you're asking too many people at the same time [14:54:06] me? [14:54:16] yes [14:54:59] 03catrope * r26571 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Removing () that made no sense and broke everything [14:56:50] 03(mod) some Functions don't Work with PostgreSQL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11331 (10N/A) [15:06:24] 03(mod) some Functions don't Work with PostgreSQL - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11331 (10greg) [15:06:32] 03(mod) Remove "Do you want to purge" screen for anons on Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11617 (10robchur) [15:08:55] "do you really want to purge me? / do you really want to make me bleed?" [15:08:56] sorry [15:10:12] NotACow: Do you have a dislike to having to confirm purging? [15:10:18] NotACow: fuckin goth software [15:11:51] AaronSchulz: ahh, I wanted to ask you something. Since you have put a lot of work into FlaggedRevisions - are you able to give an opinion on whether or not it is ready for production yet? [15:12:24] it's usable [15:12:30] sorry, it made a song go through my head :) [15:12:36] NotACow: Ahh, lol. [15:12:45] AaronSchulz: just 'usable'? :P [15:12:49] i think it's a cher song or something like htat [15:12:55] fuck if i know, i don't pay attention to this stuff [15:13:03] NotACow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAKf1gTx7qM [15:13:17] AaronSchulz: i'm at work [15:13:31] MinuteElectron: I'd rather test around more [15:13:49] so why are you on #mediawiki? :) [15:15:03] AaronSchulz: is this somehow mutually exclusive? [15:15:25] AaronSchulz: I think I will leave it for now, it isn't integral to my sites and I would rather not have that than all my wikis suddenly being obbliterated by a experimental extension. [15:15:42] *NotACow obliterates MinuteElectron's wikis. [15:15:52] :S [15:16:14] MinuteElectron: what wiki? [15:16:30] it will not melt, it's just that I may want to change some things, who knows [15:18:20] AaronSchulz: Just some behind-the-scenes project development and technical management wikis. All three are private, but it would be cool if I could make it so if someone makes a change it has to be verified by another member of the project team before being listed as confirmed (in case someone says something which breaks all the websites or contravenes coding regulations). [15:21:04] Also I would consider implementing it on documentation\world facing wikis for the projects once they go 'live'. [15:22:44] does a wikimarkup link support querystring values? [15:23:07] no [15:23:13] [] does, but [[]] doesn't. [15:24:06] There are hacky methods though. [15:24:15] eh .. not that important [15:24:18] 03(mod) Days to show in recent changes cannot be larger than 7 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11612 (10wolkwitz) [15:27:34] is there a code tag so that all of its contents doesn't get interpreted? [15:27:46] nowiki [15:28:41] hmm, but that cuts out all of the linebreaks, any alternative? [15:28:52] 03(NEW) Changing $wgUploadNavigationUrl of de.wikisource.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11621 minor; normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (michael.rose) [15:29:17] 03(mod) Days to show in recent changes cannot be larger than 7 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11612 (10roan.kattouw) [15:30:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&limit=5000&days=30 [15:30:31] that give a blank page for me [15:30:35] gives* [15:31:48] AzaTht: mee too, but isn't that rather for #wikimedia-tech ? [15:32:00] BrokenArrow: dunno [15:32:21] is it a MW error ro a WP error... [15:32:54] or* [15:33:35] AzaTht: if you get the problem on the live site, it's usually the site admins that would care to know [15:34:23] *AzaTht tries to see the difference here by the MW dev and the site admin [15:34:47] shell [15:35:58] yup. mostly requiring root [15:36:29] BrokenArrow: just tried to point out it's all ends up in brions hands [15:38:44] we all know they're almost all the same folks, yes - but there's a point in trying to separate live issues from development, even if you run on trunk [15:39:55] BrokenArrow: but I though it was more an MW error anytway, as it should be an error message if it stops processing [15:45:18] test [15:45:32] how do I run a php file on SSH?? [15:46:03] i accessed it with browser but it says it must be run on the cmd [15:46:54] 03(NEW) Provide extension for title blacklisting - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11622 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Extensions requests; (vasilvv) [15:48:46] was that a public service announcement? [15:49:30] wh2: a bot linked to MediaWiki's bug tracker [15:50:11] what is that supposed to mean? [15:50:34] k I prolly go ask somewhere else... [15:50:41] or check back later [16:00:29] hi Raymond_ [16:00:38] hi schaengel89 :) [16:00:49] wenig los hier, wa? [16:01:10] für den moment :) [16:01:21] dann warte ich mal auf nen neuen bug [16:01:30] damit ich sehe, wies aussieht, wenn ein neuer bug kommt [16:01:43] happy waiting :) [16:01:51] danke f�n [16:02:33] how i can forbid editing some pages in mediawiki? [16:03:28] hunt_: protect them as sysop [16:04:26] how? [16:04:58] login as sysop, the you see above in the same line as "edit" the "protect" button [16:05:19] hm [16:05:22] 1 moment [16:05:26] dammit [16:05:31] they're playing with the fire alarm [16:05:39] fun [16:06:03] Raymond_: thx [16:06:06] bye [16:07:10] consistency is a hobgoblin [16:07:41] but is it too much to ask that people use only one of "getDbkey", "getDBkey", "getDBKey", and "getDbKey"? [16:08:12] yep [16:08:40] *Jack_Phoenix prefers "getDBkey" or "getDBKey" [16:09:04] or maybe just getDatabaseKey [16:09:14] I have some email headers using the $wgUser variable that are causing the mail() function to throw an error. I narrowed down the problem to the third (From:) line but I still can't figure out whats wrong with it for the life of me... can somebody take a look? http://pastebin.ca/732006 [16:09:16] Good evening Jack, btw. [16:09:27] hey MinuteElectron, evening :-) [16:09:46] ooh, close zones [16:09:52] MinuteElectron: all four of those are used interchangeably throughout the mediawiki source [16:09:59] NotACow: :P [16:10:15] MinuteElectron: i think there's evena few more different capitalizations used in a few places [16:10:20] lawl [16:10:23] the same us true of any method containing "URL" [16:10:29] getPrefixedUrl [16:10:32] getPrefixedURL [16:10:39] getHTML [16:10:40] getHtml [16:10:42] pfft, why not just use the fully escape acronym [16:10:49] getPrefixUniformResourceLocation [16:11:01] getHyperTextMarkupLanguage [16:11:04] haha :D [16:11:08] *NotACow thwomps MinuteElectron [16:11:19] *MinuteElectron ducks. [16:11:34] you'll have to duck if you want to not get hit by those method names :) [16:12:03] :D [16:13:06] 03(NEW) Install PDF Export extension on WMF wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11623 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (le.korrigan) [16:14:09] 03(mod) Install PDF Export extension on WMF wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11623 +shell (10raimond.spekking) [16:16:54] pdf is evil! [16:17:11] in a way [16:17:50] but by not allowing you to edit it without expensive software writers can submit 'final' drafts without the risk of it being modified [16:18:06] 03(mod) Mongolian Wikipedia Tagline - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11483 (10raimond.spekking) [16:19:45] is there a process for changing username on mediawiki.org - other than finding a bureaucrat? [16:19:54] Special:Renameuser... [16:20:25] hi [16:23:26] jlerner: no. [16:24:00] siebrand: tx [16:24:49] anybody know how I can edit the login required paged [16:26:11] specialKevin: one of the system messages? see list at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Allmessages (for example) [16:34:16] *NotACow twitches [16:34:25] "@return mixed true on success, message name on failure" [16:34:28] I HATE MIXED TYPES [16:35:18] but that's what makes php so awesome! [16:35:36] flyingparchment: *twitch* *twitch* [16:36:56] unrestrained polymorphism bad. [16:38:10] Mixed types. reminds me of this article that i got today: http://blog.moertel.com/articles/2006/10/18/a-type-based-solution-to-the-strings-problem [16:38:59] PunkRock: indeed. [16:39:19] PunkRock: PHP's lack of type safety does make it a lot easier to falll prey to a code injection bug [16:40:04] if you use an "UnsafeString" class for your unchecked application data, type safety will at least help protect you [16:40:22] yep. [16:40:45] The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again. [16:40:45] Retrieved from "http://moniker42.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload" [16:40:55] trying to upload a PNG file... any idea why that's happening? [16:41:00] PNG files are definitely allowed... [16:41:00] perl has its "taint" mechanism, which works actually pretty well but few people use it [16:41:52] brion-office: Should I post a bugzilla regarding there being severe problems with 1.11 mime\extension detection. There have been more than 5 users with problems in the last few days. [16:41:53] PunkRock: PHP, imo, makes it too easy to write sloppy code and get away with it. this is great for small apps that you want to write quickly but bad in the long term [16:42:13] MinuteElectron: mime detection hasn't changed as far as i know [16:42:20] brion-office: hmm, odd [16:42:21] but it's been fucked up and badly broken since like 1.5 :) [16:42:21] NotACow: i agree. but ... [16:42:21] PunkRock: perl has the same problem. python not so much. [16:42:30] brion-office: :P [16:42:38] brion-office: haha. [16:42:44] if you see an actual difference between versions, do post a bug [16:42:49] php has such a big community because it is so easy and 'intuitive' [16:42:50] k [16:42:53] if it's just still broken... well we know it sucks and needs total replacement [16:43:02] ok [16:43:06] PunkRock: yes, any moron can slap together PHP fragments and get something that vaguely works :) [16:43:39] and many ppl. that don't have an idea of how to program will use it. [16:43:53] /will// [16:44:08] PunkRock: see also "lol scripting" :) [16:44:21] but thats not only a problem of the language. [16:44:54] PunkRock: it's possible to write good code in any language. [16:45:02] PunkRock: just as it's possible to write bad code in any language. [16:45:02] anyone? [16:45:09] won't let me upload PNG files =( [16:45:57] hm. [16:46:03] PunkRock: one of the more difficult phases in my current project will be when i go through and disambiguate the at-least-half-dozen uses of "String" into real types [16:46:33] a colleague here hacks with haskell. and i do think that this type based functional language is really cool [16:46:34] there's String, there's ByteVector, there's URL, there's URLFragment, there's PathName, there's SerializedObject.... [16:46:46] hehehe [16:46:50] PunkRock: i think haskell is cool but i totally suck at it and have never been able to make it do anything more than hello-world type stuff [16:46:59] *MinuteElectron adds to todo list, gut filetype detection. [16:47:01] the same for me. [16:47:26] PunkRock: i just haven't had the time to commit to getting into the proper headspace for it, i suspect [16:47:30] it's one of the things that i would love to learn. [16:48:15] time is the critical factor. [16:48:41] it would take long to learn how to do all the things that i am now doing in php within a minute. [16:49:02] *gasp* [16:49:59] second: i wonder if a language like haskell can find it's way in a webserver environment. [16:50:07] PunkRock: haskell is a curious language. [16:50:18] yeah. [16:50:36] i installed squid on http accel mode and my wiki fly now! [16:50:37] thats what makes php so f&ckin nice :) [16:50:58] PunkRock: my favorite use of haskell i've seen so far was for a program that generated C code, then compiled thtat and ran it. [16:51:17] PunkRock: the genreator wasn't all that fast but the C code it genreateed was blindingly fast for some very complicated image manipulations. [16:53:35]