[00:24:39] 03river * r26786 10/trunk/extensions/JIRA/ (. JIRA.php): JIRA: add tag, which displays a list of JIRA issues in a wiki page [00:33:50] my first extension! [00:35:43] 03brion * r26788 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/ (CentralNotice.php SpecialNoticeLoader.php): make cache timeout configurable for easier debugging [00:40:03] 03(mod) make #time work with pre-1970 dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11686 +comment (10azatoth) [00:46:18] flyingparchment: jira? Jedi-Irish Republican Army [00:47:11] *Simetrical wonders who this was: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boyer%E2%80%93Moore_string_search_algorithm&diff=127046969&oldid=125958459 [00:47:21] 03(NEW) increasing font size garbles words and loses word wrap - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11687 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (rchannon) [00:48:21] 03(mod) increasing font size garbles words and loses word wrap - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11687 (10N/A) [00:49:26] Simetrical: are you looking suspicious at someone? [00:49:51] AzaTht, not really. Only edit by that IP. [01:13:55] *brion stabs parallels [01:13:58] *brion stabs windows xp [01:14:00] *brion stab stab stab [01:14:19] fuck it, i'll test it in vmware in the morning [01:19:59] 03brion * r26789 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/NoticePage.php: Don't list the internal page points in specialpages list [02:42:48] hi [02:43:09] I'm looking for a magic recipe to import a bunch of text file as mediawiki pages [02:43:15] (in my own installation) [02:44:44] on version 1.11.0 [02:51:44] mmm, found it [03:10:04] greetings everyone [03:10:09] is anyone up? [03:19:05] 03(NEW) Renaming class User to MWUser - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11688 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (nunotavares) [03:25:59] yeah worked fine. it was just too hidden in the documentatino :-/ [03:54:11] 03david * r26790 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php: SkinTemplateTabAction hook -- now non-broken. [03:57:13] Hello, am I logged in properly? [03:57:59] Good it looks like it's working ;-) [03:59:21] but you are called mediawiki [04:00:02] Hmmm I must have a setting wrong, it shows up as Nad in the list...? [04:00:10] use /nick [04:05:41] Is it possible to get content from wiki in plain text? For example an article from Wikipedia as ASCII stuff. [04:06:25] You mean wikitext or HTML converted to plain text? [04:07:13] Erkkimon_: yes you can [04:07:32] I came for the same question and found mysekf [04:09:23] Nad: The output of html-code converted to plain text. [04:09:50] hub: That's nice. Could u tell me, how? [04:10:45] You'd need to strip the tags - I don't know if there's an existing extension for that or not - if just wikitext is needed then action=raw would be fine [04:11:52] Okay. [04:12:40] Nad: I'm trying to find out a solution for blind people to utilize Wikipedia. [04:13:33] Nad: The text could be made spoken with Festival but the content of the article should be got in a readable form somehow. [04:14:28] There are many converters out there such as html2txt (ftp://ftp.u-net.com/com/scanline/html2txt/html2txt.zip) but not as an extension I don't think [04:17:36] Perl is best for that kind of thing though: http://www.cpan.org/authors/Tom_Christiansen/scripts/striphtml.gz [04:19:15] If you find something that works for you from the command line I can give you a quick snippet of code that would allow mediawiki to return in similar to action=raw [04:31:59] Erkkimon_: That perl one works well - you can add a hook to unknown action hook to return plain text - if you need to know code to do this, ask on the support-desk and I'll add it there... [04:32:21] Nad: Thanks. :) [04:42:43] can mediawiki users be authenticated against a .htaccess file? i'm hoping to switch from phpwiki, and authing against .htaccess is one of the prerequisits [04:43:12] What do u mean? [04:43:25] Do u want users authenticate themselves using .htaccess? [04:44:10] yes [04:44:41] kgoetz: And u ask if it's possible? [04:44:45] kgoetz: It is. [04:45:38] Erkkimon_: thanks, i'll try and find some information about it [04:47:14] kgoetz: Right. It's quite simple. Just create .htaccess with account information and place it in your wiki root. That's it. :) [04:48:02] Erkkimon_: sounds to good to be true ;) but if its that easy sweet ;) [05:07:41] 03(WONTFIX) Renaming class User to MWUser - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11688 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:32:34] 03(NEW) Page names are compared case insensitively within queries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11689 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [05:46:08] 03david * r26791 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (Lqt.i18n.php LqtBaseView.php): More i18n. I think that LqtBaseView is done. [05:47:36] can mediawiki generate RSS files? [05:48:26] Recent change and history have rss/atom feeds [05:48:57] huh. didn't notice [05:49:51] now, if I can just get Opera to pick up on it... [05:53:53] hmm [05:54:03] browser seems to think there's an RSS feed [05:54:07] but I can't seem to get at it [05:55:31] what happens when you go to its url? [05:56:10] Special:Recentchanges&&feed=rss? [05:56:49] Yip (with one &) [05:57:03] there were two in the link when I looked at the source [05:57:09] hmm [05:57:14] 'XML parsing failed [05:57:29] gagged on [05:57:37] ah -- leading whitespace [05:57:38] What version of MW? [05:58:03] Oh leading whittespace - that's probably localsettings or an extension with space after the ?> [05:58:17] and the bogus RSS link [05:58:23] http://wiki.kjd-imc.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&%3Bfeed=rss&feed=rss [05:58:31] && should be ok... [05:59:07] it would be [05:59:12] but the link above is clearly bogus [05:59:20] it escapes (for HTML) the & [05:59:32] it should still work - just the leading whitespace is breaking it I think [05:59:32] and does something weird with the second one, too [05:59:49] ... I'm drawing a blank. Where do I find version information? [05:59:51] duh [05:59:53] 'Version' [06:00:00] 1.10.1 [06:00:09] http://wiki.kjd-imc.org/Special:Version [06:02:32] check each extension script you've downloaded and ensure no whitespace after ?> (or remove ?> completely works too) [06:03:31] Na1: eh? why would space after ?> in an extension script put it before the XML declaration in the RSS feed? [06:03:56] well [06:04:13] good call anyway, it seems an extension (one I planned to remove anyway) was breaking it [06:04:38] hmm [06:04:58] okay, this is cool so far, it shows the new articles, and it even includes the text [06:05:13] but it includes the raw article text. Is there a way to have mediawiki format it for me? [06:05:21] (not necessary, but it'd make it cooler) [06:05:44] (especially since I'm using templates for most of my funkier formatting) [06:10:32] NickServ INDENTIFY irc4me [06:10:39] oops [06:10:45] *kjdavies sees at least two mistakes there [06:11:16] can't remember my password - how do I reset? [06:11:46] smarbin: you botched /msg nickserv identify password [06:12:07] 03nikerabbit * r26793 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesLa.php: * Lets try again [06:12:07] missed '/msg', misspelled 'identify'. password may be correct [06:12:13] but nickserv never saw it [06:13:10] I've got IRC trouble too - I'm supposed to be Nad or Aranad, not Nal but it won't listen to my /nick command :-( [06:13:31] oops! so how do I reset it? newbie mistake :( [06:13:35] Na1: check your notices? [06:13:38] smarbin: what client? [06:13:46] Na1: or snotices [06:13:47] chatzilla [06:13:54] ah. can't help you there, don't use it [06:14:15] I'm using Gaim on Ubuntu [06:14:58] Na1: hmm. most IRC clients I'm familiar with (very few) make the server notices available; if you try to do something and it doesn't happen, they'll generally tell you why [06:15:58] no worries, that's not my password anyway, i was just hoping it would prompt me "forgot password?" or something like that... no such luck [06:16:17] ah [06:16:22] smarbin: woudnt #freenode be a better place to ask? or a staffer directly? [06:16:29] all else fails, contact an admin [06:17:10] right... sorry came here to ask a wiki question: looks like a bot is spamming my wiki, but just posting small gibberish changes [06:17:27] any advice? [06:17:29] http://www.teampedia.net/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges [06:17:35] Extension:ConfirmEdit [06:17:52] and maybe SpamBlacklist [06:18:02] and maybe Extension:SpamBlacklist [06:18:05] (if that's right) [06:18:16] i have confirmedit - but they aren't posting links [06:18:20] *kjdavies hasn't noticed any defacement [06:18:32] oh. and I'm limiting edits to registered users [06:18:37] Na1: 15:47 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Nickname: nad [06:18:37] 15:47 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered: 3 years 3 weeks (20h 9m 41s) ago [06:18:48] you? just contcat a staffer too :) [06:18:50] *contact [06:18:54] The spambots can still register unless you put a CAPTCHA on it [06:19:43] Na1: I've never had a problem. Could just be lucky, though [06:19:57] I just registered Aranad, I don't know where this Nal is coming from...? [06:20:59] Oh - that worked.... [06:23:35] kjdavies: looks like confirmedit and spamblacklist only deal with issues where bots/people are inserting links [06:23:50] smarbin: ah. sorry, can't help you then [06:23:56] in my case they are just inserting gibberish words [06:24:06] ConfirmEdit works for both editing and login/signup [06:24:50] i don't require login - so these are anonymous users [06:25:25] mmm. still dunno then [06:25:54] gah. I'm pretty sure there's a way to tell a Category page to not show subcategories (I iterate them differently on this page, don't need the automagically generated one) [06:25:58] but I can't remember where I saw it [06:26:00] All the spambots insert links, so confirmedit will require them to answer a question for the edit to work [06:28:53] I can't remember if there's an option for turning subcats off, but you can make them invisible with their css using #mw-subcategories { display:none } [06:30:44] Aranad: I think they usually insert links, but maybe this one is malfunctioning? Inserting words like: domvarrico and converting quotes to symbols like â [06:33:18] You would have no choice but to either not allow anonymous edits or to have everyone enter CAPTCHA to edit [06:35:55] yeah those aren't great options for me right now... but thanks kjdavies and Aranad. I will keep looking around [06:40:54] eh? [06:40:55] Invision Power Board integrates with mediawiki? [06:57:07] heya, someone know what is wrong when i try to remove my mediawiki to a new server and i install it normally.. Then i import my old databases dump to a new database to get all the data in mediawiki to the new server and i get handfull of errors [06:57:30] hrm [06:57:51] I can see where to modify the PHP code to not show the subcategories of a category if (some condition) is met [06:57:55] but it feels wrong to hack this in [06:59:27] ah well, another day [06:59:50] <_wooz> lo [07:00:01] Hacking the code-base is best avoided, probably best to start by using css to make them invisible [07:01:01] yeah [07:01:09] thing is [07:01:13] I don't *always* want to hide them [07:01:16] just on certain pages [07:01:41] (I use DPL to fetch the information and links to the subcategories, giving me a 'richer presentation' for these ones [07:01:55] You can use Extension:CSS or similar to put the invsisbility CSS styles in just the cat pages you want them in [07:03:13] We use DPL with mode=category too for more complex queries that look like cat pages, we use namespace Query [07:04:12] I've got a template ({{article}}) that contains information about the article (author, publication date, abstract, etc.) [07:04:41] in a couple of places I fetch that back to create a table of contents that's much more meaningful than the bare list produced by the category processing [07:04:55] though I do want to keep that in case I remember to set the category but forget the {{article}} [07:05:05] similarly, certain categories I might want to do the same [07:05:17] You can use DPL with treeview too to make trees of links-to, links-from, templates used etc [07:05:50] and IIRC I've got a specialized {{category}} template that behaves similarly to {{article}}, that I use to create a nicer subcategory list (includes a description of the subcategory) [07:07:46] heh [07:08:11] I've come to the mildly frustraing conclusion that a wiki (mediawiki, at least, and it's probably the best one I've seen) isn't *quite* *exactly* what I want [07:08:40] but it's *so close* for *so much* that whenever I work in mine for a while I feel tempted to try to bend it into what I actually want [07:17:08] Yeah I feel the same - that's why I write so many extensions - to make it do all the stuff I want it to! [07:23:22] I'm willing to write extensions [07:23:29] *if* the hooks for what I want to do can be found [07:23:38] but it'll have to wait for tomorrow for me to talk about it, I need some sleep [07:25:49] 03rfrisar * r26794 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (35 files in 4 dirs): Updated from trunk via svnmerge. Pending revisions (26237,26261,26262,26549,26556) and 26735-26793. [07:37:13] What's the best way for QuickTemplate::execute() to get the Title object of the current page? [07:38:13] not sure if there is a good way [07:38:27] the global $wgTitle will work, but globals are evil... [07:53:48] Duesentrieb: thanks - guess I may as well use that - $wgOut is global also, I thought that might be my only option [08:55:25] <_Valinor> Hello, I have a trouble in mediawiki, with the Math rendering. Someone can help me please? [09:01:26] guys is there an easy way to get a shaded background with the single pixel border for a section of content? [09:10:01] something is strange with my mediawiki... I installed it via APT and when i try to change the default language of the site it doesnt change up if i change the line "$wgLanguageCode = "fi";" [09:13:44] ew, apt [09:14:05] where do you change the line? how are you checking if the language has been changed? [09:14:34] 03(mod) Deletion of Siberian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11680 (10kalan.001) [09:15:01] ghrm [09:15:27] I change it in LocalSettings.php, but the strange part is that if i change the line to "fi" every user logged in gets their language to english [09:15:37] and if change it back to "en" they get their own languages [09:15:56] Duesentrieb: are you present? [09:20:55] who on our side is in charge with the Vodafone cooperation with the uk R&D lab? [09:21:00] PunkRock, if you want to ask him about his tools that don't work, please consider (1) move your request to #wikimedia-toolserver and (2) ask not Duesentrieb, since he is unable to fix it, but ts-admins who should run mysql at sql-s0 in read/write mode [09:21:37] argh [09:21:40] how do i set a TOC [09:21:44] well [09:21:46] is ther a man [09:21:46] enhydra: thanks [09:21:48] on TOC? [09:21:52] MediaWiki:Toc [09:21:53] ? [09:21:53] no i don't want that. [09:21:54] i cant find it [09:22:00] clean your crystal ball :) [09:22:35] :) [09:22:36] ok [09:24:08] i have a question on php that i don't wnat to bother everyone in here, and since i know Duesentrieb, i thought its best to discuss it in private. [09:25:05] but maybe i head to the php mailing list. .... [09:29:20] anyone know solution for me ? :( [09:30:09] Утро доброе. [09:49:04] I can't add a box to wikipage. [09:49:34] it apears right from other box but I need under it [09:49:35] http://marchelly.org.ua/mediawiki/index.php/Заглавная_страница [09:50:23] here. I have a box with links left and one right I need 2 boxes left and 1 right. but can't do [10:08:51] can i organise mediawiki content in folders ? [10:35:34] hi [10:35:56] I have images that I don't want to link to the corresponding Image: page [10:36:04] how can I disable links ? [10:39:58] hi [10:40:38] is it possible that there is a bug in mediawiki 11.0 causing links containing & to fail [10:43:08] 03jvelezv * r26795 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiRegUser.php: GET request bug fixed [10:44:41] why does typing into the search box use $wgArticlePath for the search page? [10:48:54] 03jvelezv * r26796 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiRegUser.php: GET request bug fixed [11:01:50] $wgTitle does not seem to have been initialised by the time QuickTemplate::execute() is called [11:09:32] 03ilabarg1 * r26797 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: Bug of no title parameter corrected with "Error.Wrong request" message. [11:15:58] 03ilabarg1 * r26798 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: All internal constants are handled as const types instead of strings. [12:12:23] Hi guys, can anyone give me a quick hand? I've just installed mediawiki, and I'm trying to get some example templates to work, they seem to have IF statements all over them and they don't seem to work. Is there a seperate extension that needs to be installed to get the if syntax to work? [12:19:31] I can't add a box to wikipage. [12:19:34] it apears right from other box but I need under it [12:19:40] http://marchelly.org.ua/mediawiki/ [12:19:44] here. I have a box with links left and one right I need 2 boxes left and 1 right. but can't do [12:21:10] ok, I'm a bit closer, apparently I need the extension called Parser_Functions, but I can't see it in the list of extensions [12:22:30] 03(mod) Math.php problem -- > Failed to parse (PNG conversion failed; check for correct installation of latex, dvips, gs, and convert) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4705 +comment (10wizz) [12:43:17] drork-IL, ما هو السؤال؟ [12:43:42] Ed_Poor, just ask [12:43:44] alnokta= هل يمكن استخدام InstantCommons [12:43:44] ؟ [12:43:55] Is InstantCommons [12:43:55] already operational? [12:43:56] hi, I've been away for a couple of years but now I have to use MediaWiki on my new job and have many questions. [12:44:10] drork-IL, no as far as i know [12:44:29] though that question is better at #wikimedia-tech [12:44:35] Ed_Poor, yes [12:44:43] Ed_Poor, good you are back [12:44:55] alnokta= *sigh* [12:45:02] Ed_Poor: shoot. [12:45:03] What I'm looking for is a way to: [12:45:08] alnokta= bad news for our programmer [12:45:19] Allow anyone in a special group such as "authors" to create new pages and edit existing pages. [12:45:27] drork-IL, though you can still use images from commons [12:45:28] Restrict the general public from creating or editing pages (except talk pages); they should not even see Recent Changes for hidden pages. [12:45:34] Easily turn a finished page into a publicly visible page. [12:45:42] The purpose is to have one web site, where the public gets to see a finished product, but only staff members (i.e., "authors") are allowed to modify anything. The public can only comment [12:45:50] Of course, if someone's comments are good, we might want to invite them to become an author. [12:45:52] Ed_Poor: mediawiki sucks for that kind of thing [12:45:56] alnokta= how is it meant to improve the use of WikiCommons? [12:46:05] I thought it might suck for that. [12:46:10] $wgGroupPermissions['author']['create'] = true -- replace createpage with edit [12:46:28] But I know enough MySQL and PHP to write my own extension for it [12:46:28] there's a stable versioning extension, but you're going into uncharted territory with it [12:46:35] it's basically somebody's pet project [12:46:35] you can probably do it by putting hidden pages in one namespace, and moving them to another to publish them [12:46:36] drork-IL, what do you mean? [12:46:49] there's some kind of feature i don't remember the name of that lets you hide certain namespaces.. but i don't think it affects recentchanges [12:46:50] hello werdana [12:47:00] Can someone maybe help out there with a problem on installing MW ??? .. I have installed a few different versions earlier, so no problem with my requirements .. i want to allow MW to use my cache .. i installed one of them that is mentioned in MW install and it tests out OK, but MW still doesn't see it ?? Any ideas please ... [12:47:11] Ed_Poor: it sucks because there's little infrastructure in the software for it, even if you're willing to write code :) [12:47:18] alnokta= well, any wiki system can access the Commons and display images from there. So what's the big deal about InstantCommons [12:47:19] ? [12:48:40] I've been writing code my entire adult life - and I'm middle aged. Pioneering new territory doesn't scare me. [12:48:40] drork-IL, i don't know, may be able to use [[]] and thumb and all that [12:49:02] drork-IL, allowexternalimages don't allow you to do that [12:49:03] Ed_Poor: sure, but you might just use some software that already does this [12:49:14] drork-IL, and you have to get the direct url [12:49:21] Remember: I'm the guy who got Tim Starling to write the m:ParserFunctions extension [12:49:30] drork-IL, rather than image description page [12:49:42] fp, what software already "does this"? [12:49:50] My team want to use Joomla [12:50:08] And I'm being pressed by the boss to make a decision this week [12:50:14] alnokta= okay, that sounds reasonable. I know our programmer relied upon InstantCommons [12:50:14] , so he'll be disappointed, but that's life.. [12:50:57] Ed_Poor: http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ [12:51:10] Ed_Poor: you pushed Tim to write parserfunctions? good grief, you need an exorcism! [12:51:13] drork-IL, :) [12:51:13] checking now ... [12:51:15] 03(mod) Renaming class User to MWUser - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11688 (10brion) [12:51:24] werdna, praying now... ;-) [12:51:39] drork-IL, s/he can still use $wgAllowExternalImages [12:51:50] Ed_Poor: it lets you restrict viewing or editing of pages or namespaces to individual users or groups.. which seems like what you want [12:51:58] Ed_Poor: and you can let readers comment on pages without being able to edit them [12:52:00] alnokta= I'll tell him that [12:52:50] 04(REOPENED) Create "Appendix" namespace to fi-wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11672 +comment (10attel0) [12:52:50] fp, that sounds exactly like what we want [12:52:53] 03(mod) Math.php problem -- > Failed to parse (PNG conversion failed; check for correct installation of latex, dvips, gs, and convert) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4705 (10brion) [12:52:53] *Werdna goes to bed [12:52:56] nn [12:53:02] downside is (1) learning curve and (2) pricing [12:53:08] yeah, it's not cheap. [12:53:21] Ed_Poor: are you a charity or open source project? (it's free for those..) [12:53:48] FishEye is free for use by official non-profit organisations and charities - but [12:54:13] I don't know if our purpose is secular enough ... visit www.upf.org and *sigh* you tell me. [12:55:20] May I ask a question please ??? [12:55:25] 03(mod) Create "Appendix" namespace to fi-wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11672 (10attel0) [12:55:32] hm.. i'd think so, you're not actually a church or anything. [12:55:45] Me a chirch ?? [12:55:50] church .. [12:55:52] no, ed poor :) [12:57:09] Oh .. [12:57:39] Can i ask a question about MW caching from anyone on here - please .. [12:58:20] Looks like shop is closed .. sigh .. [12:58:27] don't ask to ask, just ask [12:58:44] I did, about a page up but got no response !! [12:58:57] UPF has a secular purpose (world peace! :-) but it is backed by a religious group - with religious motives. We wouldn't want to *cheat* because that violates our own religious principles of course :p [13:00:05] Anyway, it ought to be easy to hack\\\\ modify MediaWiki code to hide any recent changes to hidden pages [13:00:44] and then to allow admins - or "Authors" group members - to publish a page. [13:01:20] the easiest way is probably namespaces [13:01:55] I'd rather use an existing GPL system that I'm familiar with (or that others on my team have used) than start a new project with new software. Steve McConnell says that's a street on the journey to failure. [13:02:03] So how can I use namespaces? [13:02:26] have an Unpublished: namespace where you restrict viewing (there's something about this in the manual at www.mediawiki.org... i don't remember the details) [13:02:27] By default, everything is visible. I want new, unapproved content to be hidden [13:02:37] when you're ready, move pages to a different namespace that anyone can view [13:02:42] I like "unpublished" :-) [13:03:02] Would you like to make $25/hour and be a consultant for a few days? [13:04:05] hm.. i would do, but at the moment a short-term project is probably more effort than it's worth [13:04:07] Send me an email at uncle_ed_poor@yahoo.com and I'll send you my phone number or skype address. I'd like to make this happen by Thursday 2:00 P.M. New York time. [13:04:25] All I need is a few pointers: I intend to do all the programming [13:05:14] btw, ZS6R0 please ask your question ... [13:05:27] hi, ZS6R0 [13:11:54] fp, I'll look in the manual for namespaces. I hope it lets me restrict recent changes, because authors often write edit summaries which our organization would not like to make public. [13:12:09] OK thanks ... [13:12:16] Such as: what's the best way to describe X without embarassing Y because of Z? [13:13:49] I have been playing with a few MW installs and getting the hang of things and my server likes MW ... I decided that I would like to use one of the mentioned caches .. My install tells me it can't see it .. Tests show that the cache IS in fact working .. I must state that i am using MW 1.12 so something may be broken on the install .. Any ideas please ?? [13:15:06] Couldn't find Turck MMCache, eAccelerator, APC or XCache; cannot use these for object caching. keeps on showing .. I am using "eAccelerator" ... [13:17:36] I had the same problem Z - I had to have a technician diagnose the problem. [13:17:57] Ouch - any 'cure' ?? [13:25:31] *ZS6RO slaps Ed_Poor around a bit with a large trout [13:27:55] sorry - talking with boss [13:29:47] Oops - sorry .. [13:30:56] good morning [13:31:10] got a question: I have some material that is brief and changed often [13:31:21] product version numbers, pretty much [13:31:38] I'm looking for a way to provide 1 point of editing [13:32:03] a single place that people can change the version numbers, and a way to then grab these individual values and replicate them across the wiki [13:32:21] where is roan when you want to poke him :( [13:32:38] so transcluding another page won't work; it would require far too many separate pages and knowledge on behalf of the editors [13:32:42] any ideas? [13:35:34] Labeled Section Transcluding? [13:35:37] How about a template? [13:35:47] Templates are great for transcluding. [13:35:54] how would either of those work? [13:36:03] can you transclude a small portion of a template? [13:37:12] there may be 80 or more items with versions, and people need to change several at a time, so I'd like to keep it all on one page if possible [13:37:21] i'm looking up labeled section transcluding as we speak [13:38:09] is this what you're talking about? [13:38:10] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion [13:39:00] this looks like exactly what I was thinking about [13:39:25] i'm really beginning to hate ie [13:39:26] no wait [13:39:29] i'm past that point ;) [13:39:44] it's refusing to load my wiki if i include the FireBug Lite javascript console [13:39:47] the hell? [13:39:48] ha ha. good morning to you too [13:40:02] brion-office: I have gone so far I've started to hate Opera ツ [13:40:12] i get a kick out of how IE 7 spontaneously breaks my mediawiki page, but it works in 6 [13:40:53] brion-office: I just got a bug report that it will choke on "case 'foo'" in a switch statement [13:41:20] seems opera doesn't handle cases in switch [13:41:34] ... [13:41:36] well, i'm going to install and play with that Labeled Section Transcluding. Thank you for the reference Platonides [13:41:54] brion-office: it chokes on: [13:41:56] break; [13:41:56] case 'cfd': [13:41:56] Wikipedia.addCheckpoint(); [13:42:03] the middle row there ツ [13:42:19] Syntax error while loading: line 1384 of linked script at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAzaToth%2Ftwinklexfd.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript : [13:42:19] case 'cfd' [13:42:19] ------^ [13:42:25] \o/ [13:42:29] I must say opera has a shit of JS implementation [13:44:02] AzaTht, is it C/C++? [13:44:19] single quotes are only for characters [13:44:20] Platonides: what is what? [13:44:28] it's Javascript [13:45:05] Platonides: and row 1279 before are: [13:45:09] case 'ifd': // IFD [13:45:33] i.e. the same switch [13:45:58] yeah, it shouldn't fail [13:47:49] *AzaTht want's FF to implmenet xpath 2.0 [13:48:48] brion-office, I think I have asked this before, but is there something similar to importTextDump.php which exports pure wiki text? or should I write my own script for that? [13:50:00] depends... what's importTextDump.php? [13:50:04] brion-office: could you add to show line numbers on JS pages? [13:50:17] i know what importDump.php does, and what importTextFile.php does... [13:50:18] importTextFile.php was what I meant [13:50:31] well they import, not export... [13:50:50] yeah, exactly... I don't want XML or HTML output, I want pure wiki text from some article [13:51:01] *shrug* [13:51:21] strip from the xml or write a trivial wrapper prog to do it i guess [13:51:52] lch: that's probably like 3 lines of code [13:52:06] can I get the WikiExporter to not add the XML stuff? [13:52:13] $t = Title::newFromText("Main_Page"); $a = new Article($t); print $a->getContent(); # or something [13:52:14] flyingparchment, yeah [13:53:01] maybe I'm making it too complicated trying to do this in a more sensible way [14:13:02] 03(FIXED) Support for Semantic MediaWiki 1.0 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 +comment (10yaron57) [14:16:32] if I want to find all pages that belong to a specific category it's enough to look at the categorylinks table, right? [14:16:51] yes [14:17:04] 03(WONTFIX) Turn page saves into "save-and-refresh", for better red links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11182 +comment (10yaron57) [14:22:41] 03(mod) Create "Appendix" namespace to fi-wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11672 (10jeluf) [14:22:49] How can I override the server host name that gets written into the confirmation/other URLs in e-mail notifications? [14:23:10] My wiki is behind an HTTP proxy so the hostname is wrong [14:23:30] I've tried overriding $wgServerName and $wgServer in LocalSetting.php with no effect [14:30:02] Turjakas: those are the only settings that should contain the host name. at least i have never seen any other. [14:30:29] email notifications arent documented [14:30:48] and runs very very bad [14:31:07] mediawiki -> php -> sendmail [14:31:35] mediawiki -> php -> sendmail -> PROXY -> ¿? [14:31:35] Duesentrieb: and you can override them in LocalSettings? [14:31:55] but it would make sense that the e-mails were constructed using those variables [14:32:10] of course, the reality often doesn't make any sense :) [14:32:30] you made pear install smtp, sockets and mail? [14:32:41] and modify php.ini sendmail path? [14:33:28] I mean I do get the notifications [14:33:40] only the URL in the e-mail is wrong.. like for confirming e-mail address change [14:34:57] asmarin: err, he's talking about links contained in the mail text. how the mails are sent is not relevant. [14:35:13] asmarin: and... what exactly runs badly= [14:35:28] exactly :) [14:35:41] i have same problem [14:35:50] Turjakas: i would sure hope it uses the standard functions to generate urls - which in turn use those global config vars. anything else would be a serious bug. [14:37:34] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/README?revision=26753&view=markup looks a bit odd...it should be LocalSettings.php probably, and *not* LocalSettings.conf ;-) [14:38:32] Jack_Phoenix: prrrrobably :) [14:40:23] duesentrieb: i see these two problems....i see many wikis with a bad configuration around smtp (bad documented) and these "strange" variables...strange because only appears on Special:allmessages [14:41:04] hi [14:41:22] hm, smtp doesn't really have much to do with email notification (except of course, that it sends email). [14:41:29] and... why variables? [14:41:39] err, i mean, *what* variables? [14:41:55] is there any way to set SITE-WIDE protection from unregistered users, i.e. to all pages that exist and that will be created in the future? [14:41:55] a second i try to rescue from email [14:42:21] !access | fgbodci [14:42:21] fgbodci : For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [14:42:31] 03brion * r26799 10/branches/CentralNotice-delayed-load/: branch to keep a copy of my delayed-loader experiments on CentralNotice extension [14:43:07] cheers! [14:44:24] what's the right way within a Parser hook to determine if the content being parsed is actual article text, or simply a message or extension content? Is there such an established method? [14:45:31] jimbojw: the parser you get as a parameter has a title object, try looking at that [14:46:06] ok [14:47:52] !help [14:47:52] Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. There's not much documentation on me, but you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn [14:48:26] 03brion * r26800 10/branches/CentralNotice-delayed-load/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) [14:48:26] This experimental branch attempts to load the notice loader JS in an onload [14:48:26] event handler instead of during initial page load, so the whole page won't [14:48:26] get held up while waiting for the JS. [14:48:26] Unfortunately, while it seems to work fine in Firefox, Opera, and even iCab, [14:48:26] I had trouble in Internet Explorer and Safari. [14:48:30] Safari 2.x and 3.x mysteriously fail to load the NoticeLoader JS when it's [14:52:01] 03brion * r26801 10/branches/CentralNotice-delayed-load/README: add note about css [14:52:22] brion-office: i'm thinking about replacing permission checks using isAllowed with checks to userCan for most/all page-related permissions. any objections? [14:54:14] especially: delete, protect, move; maybe also rollback, create, deleterevision; perhave even patrol, etc [14:54:45] hm, i even see $wgUser->isAllowed('edit') in EditPage - wtf is that about? [14:57:35] Duesentrieb: hrm? ..... if it's safe i suppose [14:59:13] brion-office: well, it *should* be safe, as far as i know. I'm asking you if there are any pitfalls involved. IMHO, all permissions that apply to operations operformed on pages should be checked via userCan, so they can be controlled on a per-page basis. [14:59:42] bah, i guess i'll just do it and wait for the stabbing to commence [15:00:50] 03kim * r26802 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/App.php: + showeditcopy flag [15:01:32] 04(REOPENED) Numeral system in Arabic Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9959 summary; +comment (10meno25wiki) [15:02:06] duesentrieb: the strange variables on mail http://enciclopedia.us.es/index.php/%24PAGETITLE_RAWURL [15:02:15] http://enciclopedia.us.es/index.php/Usuario:%24PAGEEDITOR_RAWURL [15:03:22] asmarin: hm? what's that supposed to be? where to they appear? [15:03:31] here, there is someone that now if i can get article text from object article? maybe by a method called like getText() or similar? [15:04:12] when i received a email if somebody modify my discusion paga [15:04:22] duesentrieb [15:04:37] ? [15:04:44] nobody? [15:05:20] francesco_: irc is not for the impatient [15:05:37] sorry! ") [15:05:39] asmarin: ah, i see - they are placeholders in the system messages used to uild mails. they are supposed to be replaced internally. [15:05:48] Duesentrieb: bah, more crap I'll have to manually merge... [15:06:01] can mediawiki authenticate to an openid server? [15:06:05] francesco_: get the current revision, then get the text from the revision [15:06:07] duesentrieb: like a template? [15:06:41] asmarin: not quite, but similar in a way, yes. system messages can have parameters too. usually they are called $1, $2, etc, but they can have "complex" names too. [15:07:13] gongoputch: in theory, yes, there's an authentication plugin interfacer. in practice, there's an openid plugin, but i'm not sure what it does. [15:07:16] duesentrieb: thanks a lot i'll modify via system messages [15:07:38] asmarin: the variavles themselves are not system messages - they are used in system messages. [15:07:41] Duesentrieb: awsome [15:08:04] duesentrieb: ok [15:08:10] gongoputch: actually, wehn i google for "mediawiki openid", it's the second hit... [15:09:06] Duesentrieb: ok, but i can get the current article revision from Article object? [15:09:19] i think so [15:10:28] umh... [15:11:25] francesco_: or use Revision::newFromTitle [15:13:14] Duesentrieb: ok, in fact i'm trying [15:13:27] 03(NEW) Revert link should not appear for anons when viewing the Move Log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11690 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (meno25wiki) [15:13:58] 03(mod) Numeral system in Arabic Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9959 (10jeluf) [15:14:26] yay for crashing X [15:14:44] wow i'm sure glad i have a rock-solid linux system here oh yeah you betcha [15:15:02] shoulda used solaris [15:15:10] :D [15:16:29] haha [15:16:34] *NotACow used to crash X all the time [15:17:25] sex penis [15:17:30] OCHO CINCO IS DEAD! [15:18:44] !op [15:18:46] lol [15:19:19] ouch [15:19:23] yay, gj brion \o/ [15:19:39] IIRC, *!*@unaffiliated/kurt was banned from this channel...same guy? [15:19:53] who cares? [15:20:23] hi all, i need some wiki help with user accounts [15:21:20] Jack_Phoenix: the world is full of morons, trying to figure out if two of them are the same person is a waste of time [15:21:34] meh, you're right, I've noticed that... [15:22:26] 03kim * r26803 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/App.php: forgot a global keyword, fixed [15:23:18] 14(DUP) Template parameters are not expanded in queries. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11684 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [15:23:20] 03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 (10roan.kattouw) [15:27:22] can someone help me, i am trying to create a new user account on my wiki, but am having problems [15:28:54] It's probably obvious, but I just can't find (after a fair bit of searching!) how to stop unregistered users from editing a wiki, can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks. [15:29:40] !access | JediMaster [15:29:40] JediMaster: For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [15:29:52] thank you =) [15:30:31] Duesentrieb: ok, works! [15:35:29] which irc server does mediawiki use? ircd-hybrid? [15:35:34] yes [15:36:00] and where i can get a sample ircd.conf? [15:36:04] and a bit of custom code to stop non-opers talking [15:36:13] there's nothing special about the ircd.conf [15:36:36] are secure? by default stop bumpers? [15:39:08] 03raymond * r26804 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialLog.php): * (bug 11690) Show revert link for page moves in Special:Log to allowed users only [15:39:22] 03(FIXED) Revert link should not appear for anons when viewing the Move Log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11690 15enhancement->normal; +comment (10raimond.spekking) [15:40:41] 03(NEW) Show warning and require a second save action when the page being saved contains an unmatched extension tag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11691 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (ais523) [15:41:17] hee [15:41:41] can i give my wiki account rights to create user accounts? [15:42:04] -sorry for the stupid question, i'm new at this- [15:42:28] deker: generally, everyone has that right, even when not logged in... [15:42:49] i locked it down on my wiki [15:42:57] $wgGroupPermissions['*' ]['createaccount'] = false; [15:43:05] deker: then grant it to some group again. [15:43:16] so then i added th$wgGroupPermissions['deker]['createaccount'] = true; [15:43:16] is line: [15:43:24] deker: $wgGroupPermissions['user']['createaccount'] = true; [15:43:30] or sysop instead of user, or whatever [15:43:40] i tried my username [15:43:47] you user name is not a group [15:43:48] i modified it in LocalSettings.php [15:44:00] permissions are assigned to *groups* [15:44:02] !rights [15:44:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [15:44:06] read it [15:44:24] cool, thank you [15:45:00] hi, brion-office, i need urgent hel with a simple problem, are you there? [15:45:07] *help [15:45:08] oy [15:45:16] are you a bot? [15:45:41] one last stupid question: if I make changes in LocalSettings.php, do I need to restart any service for the changes to take effect? [15:46:02] brion-office, are you a bot? [15:46:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test [15:48:13] brion-office, you would have to be an interesting bot to answer that :) But you're not, are you? [15:48:55] *brion-office is not an interesting bot [15:48:59] cool [15:49:03] so help me [15:49:08] :) please [15:49:28] deker: no [15:49:35] wikivet: just ask the question [15:50:23] thanks MinuteElectron [15:50:28] np [15:52:13] {{fullurl:$PAGETITLE_RAWURL}} [15:52:20] i am having troubles with a simple thing: in my wiki i have entered text in boxes, with rounded corners, wich I copied from a wiki i cant remember. So, in Firefox everything is ok, it comes out very good looking, but when i use int. Explorer or Safari, it just doesnt appear... hum... very well. You can see it at http://wikivet.es/de/index.php?title=Hauptseite , for exemple. I bet you are using Firefox, if you can [15:52:28] where are a list with these variables? [15:52:39] MinuteElectron, brion-office [15:53:31] IE and Safari don't have the neccessery browser-specific CSS attributes. [15:54:01] Curved corners will only work on Firefox until IE and Safari get full CSS3 support and your code is updated to this. [15:54:18] hello [15:54:23] hi [15:55:08] My client is asking for a special section of their wiki that only a special, new class of whitelisted users can access. From looking at the MW architecture it seems like the best way to do this would be to create a new user level - User, Sysop, Bureaucrat, *Client* and then a new namespace that only *Clients* can access... is this correct or is there another, more proper way? [15:55:32] !cms | AphelionZ [15:55:32] AphelionZ : You are advised to install an appropriate content management package for per-page read restrictions. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job due to borked hacks. See if you really want too. [15:55:33] MinuteElectron, anyway.... can you see the text inside the boxes? In IExplorer it doesnt even appear well... the whole page appears completely deformed (its not only the corners) [15:56:21] dont worry i make a copy/paste from es.wikipedia [15:56:57] hmm [15:57:02] wikivet: Yes, it is weird in IE. [15:57:15] MinuteElectron, any idea? [15:57:18] nope [15:57:34] i really need it to be "readable" at least, in IExplor [15:57:41] damn :) [15:57:46] :( [15:57:57] 03(mod) Special:AddData doesn' t show {{{page title}}} if page already exists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10921 summary (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [15:57:59] To complete the installation, move config/LocalSettings.php to the parent directory. <--- 1.12alpha installer gives that, but strangely, there is no LocalSettings.php created <_< [15:58:00] know anyone that could give me a hand? [15:58:16] nope [15:58:26] *++****+++¨.: [15:58:39] ok :( [15:59:34] is there any command i could add to MediaWiki:Common.css that would improve its IExplorer's performance? [16:01:21] MinuteElectron ? [16:03:05] 03(mod) Edit only using a subset of templates in the form - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11178 (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [16:03:53] 03(mod) Edit only using a subset of templates in the form - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11178 (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [16:07:41] wikivet: I have no idea. [16:30:48] hi someon can help me? [16:30:57] *someone [16:31:31] noboy? [16:31:34] nobody? [16:31:38] pls help me [16:31:41] max2, it depends what the problem is [16:31:45] ok [16:31:45] ask your question and someone might help [16:32:09] but probably not me, as i know very little about mediawiki.. [16:32:16] I have an Windows Server 2003 with PHP 5.2.4 (that work!) [16:32:33] now i want to install MediaWiki on my server [16:32:57] but when i go to add DB information ... there is only PostgreSQL [16:33:07] but i use MySQL [16:33:22] in php.ini i have uncomment also MySQL [16:33:34] .... [16:33:47] ??? [16:34:55] max2: install lastest version of mediawiki [16:35:06] max, is myswld running? [16:35:10] max, is mysqld running? [16:35:12] yes [16:35:26] is php.ini pointing to the right extension folder? [16:36:09] on my server there is Mysql 4.1.11 [16:36:40] yes because when i write on DOS-prompt : php.exe -m [16:36:57] it shows me also mysql modules [16:37:47] i have the latest mediawiki version [16:38:38] someone can help me [16:38:39] ? [16:38:53] install xampp [16:38:59] is better solution for windows [16:39:33] i can't asmarin i must use only IIS6 [16:39:40] puffff [16:39:49] :\\ [16:39:53] sorry in this case [16:39:57] i HATE windows [16:40:01] lol [16:40:08] i dont touch a windows server since 6 years ago [16:40:46] on my server there isn't installed POstgreSQL [16:40:58] and mediawiki detect postgre [16:41:04] but if i comment it [16:41:22] mediawiki dont go for installation [16:44:31] 03(mod) Create "Appendix" namespace to fi-wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11672 (10attel0) [16:46:18] asmarin: No one cares if you hate Windows, Windows is a fact of life - get over it. [16:49:32] 03kim * r26805 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/Copy.php: Minor bug caught [16:50:11] brion-office: a question [16:50:33] or request, or inquiry [16:51:15] brion-office: would it be possible/good idea to add JSL to the js in the wiki? [16:51:21] Javascript Standard Library [16:51:55] at least the most "important" thingis [16:52:21] brion-office: the topmost of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AzaToth/morebits.js contains JSL [16:52:46] brion-office: it's a good way to fix problems in some browser [16:52:55] old and idiotic browsers [16:52:59] and/or [16:53:12] (as even new browsers might be pretty dumb) [16:54:48] *AzaTht is digging around brion-office's grave [16:59:33] Warning: xml_parse() [function.xml-parse]: Unable to call handler () in /home/www/internal/includes/SpecialImport.php on line 429 [16:59:54] using 1.12alpha, rev:26281 and a lot of extension - and in this case, trying to import pages using transwiki import [17:00:34] s/extension/extensions [17:12:26] 03siebrand * r26806 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): [17:12:26] Setting fallback languages for: [17:12:26] * Friulian: Italian [17:12:26] * Haitian Creole: French [17:12:26] * Ingush: Russian [17:12:27] * Low German: German [17:15:33] 04(REOPENED) Turn page saves into "save-and-refresh", for better red links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11182 normal->low; +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org) [17:21:03] hmm, could you help me find a link or a line in the source code, where the actual "formula" to make the difference between a "good" article page and a regular page is displayed [17:21:16] as in the "good" and "total" values in Special:Statistics [17:25:20] i wanted the answer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_is_a_good_article%3F ,but the technical answer from mediawikis pov [17:27:56] I'm wondering if there are any scripts available that crawl the databases that are used by mediawiki to fix spelling, formatting issues, etc. or if this is even possible. [17:28:42] Basically a crawler that uses the databases rather than links on the site. [17:30:14] bennry: there is f.e. the "pywikipedia" bot [17:30:37] but hmm, nevermind that doesnt use the database right away [17:32:02] mutante: I'll look into that anyway. Thanks. [17:32:53] you could make a script that mysqldumps, then uses sed or something on the dumpfile, and then reimports it again ...shrug [17:33:22] Hmmm. [17:33:44] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Using_the_python_wikipediabot [17:33:48] Well, I guess now that I think about it, it doesn't matter what method I use to troll the wiki. [17:34:00] Troll...heh...I mean parse it. [17:34:10] haha [17:34:13] 03(mod) Add Hooks to SpecialImport and SpecialExport - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11539 (10seventowers) [17:34:15] But I figured interfacing to the Dbs directly would be easiest and fastest. [17:34:28] Just making some MySQL stored procedures and a cron job or triggers or something. [17:35:08] you can turn on mysql query logging, [17:35:17] then do a manual login, edit, logout [17:35:17] can I put a .pdf in my mediawiki? so that it downloads when you click on it? (im on scratchwiki.com) [17:35:38] and watch the query log, then copy those commands and use them slightly changed in your script..hmm [17:36:14] SF7: yes, if you add 'pdf' to $wgFileExtensions = array( ... in LocalSettings.php [17:36:18] mutante: got the gears turning. [17:36:19] ? [17:36:21] Hehe. [17:36:52] mutante: I have a feeling that the pywikipedia will do just fine. [17:37:33] SF7: you dont want this cause of the latest security issues with Acrobat PDF viewer executing stuff on Windows boxes when people click malicious pdf files and view them in their browser ?!:P [17:37:49] I was thinking I'd have to write this all myself. [17:37:54] I often do that when thinking of OS projects. [17:38:12] I'm surprised every day when I find out something exists for "that" already [17:38:27] Think I might have to get into Minix to do anything useful. [17:38:39] its like being surprised about "that" domain name also already being taken [17:38:45] hahaha [17:38:57] Yes, especially a .us domain owned by a .ca company. [17:39:03] :) [17:40:23] back in old mediawiki versions there was rcdumper.php in ./maintenance [17:40:40] IRC bot pasting recent changes, as PHP script [17:41:18] i still miss it somehow, the UDP packet feature sounds way better in theory, but can never get it to work for more than a few minutes.. [17:41:25] for yet unknown reasons [17:41:39] 03mkroetzsch * r26807 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_URI.php: "?" is a valid character in URLs [17:42:14] mutante: maybe because UDP packets are non-deterministic in a network? [17:42:45] mutante: I am not running my own media wiki server - I'm using a public one [17:43:29] mutante: thank you for your help. I'll be around to learn some other application level stuff from this chat. [18:00:51] Which is better for creating a website for public viewing (but restricted authoring)? Joomla or MediaWiki or ...? [18:05:03] Ed_Poor: mediawiki is the best wiki engine supported by the denizens of this channel. [18:05:48] http://securitydot.net/search/exploits/vulnerabilities/articles/joomla+exploit.html [18:06:45] who was asking a while ago about the 'only variables can be passed by reference' problem? [18:09:32] what part of the code fills the SQL table site_stats with values? trying to find the code snippet that calculates ss_good_articles [18:11:02] ah, ok SiteStatsUpdate.php: $this->appendUpdate( $updates, 'ss_good_articles', $this->mGood ); , one step closer [18:24:26] ROFL: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png [18:25:59] :D [18:28:17] is it possible to setup page protections to limit editing to users of a specific group? When I look in page protections I see un-registered users and "sysops" [18:28:29] Howdy. It has been a few weeks since I had to ask for help, which I suppose is good. :) [18:28:39] I need advice on displaying tabular data. [18:28:55] csjp: Yep. [18:28:58] @search rights [18:28:58] Results: [cms, rights, usergroups] [18:29:03] !rights | csjp [18:29:03] csjp : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [18:30:49] I've tried using but the output is horrible looking [18:31:05] I understand that I can tweak it in css, but I am not sure if there might be a better way to display tabular data in wiki [18:36:59] misty_wrk: Unless you install some kind-of data extension, no. CSS is the way forward. [18:38:11] misty_wrk: you can use {| , | , ! , |- and |} , but thats just wiki syntax being translated to html table tags [18:38:39] but you can put the CSS right in-line [18:38:46] f.e. first line of a table [18:38:47] {| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" style="width:100%; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px solid #aaaaaa; border-collapse: collapse; white-space: nowrap; text-align: right" [18:42:02] ..and class="sortable" will automagically add "up" and "down" arrows in the column headers to sort the values [18:57:52] hello [18:58:52] thanks MinuteElectron, mutante [18:59:07] np [19:38:37] is it possible to get edittokens from api.php to post a legal modification on mediawiki ? [19:46:51] Is there a MediaWiki to TikiWiki import mechanism? [19:47:05] I'd like to use a template from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Todo for my own wiki. How can I do this? [19:48:38] bmaret: create Template:Todo on your wiki and copy / paste the contents [19:49:13] bmaret: but if it relies on other templates, you need those too [19:49:56] bmaret: btw, there also is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tasks_Extension [19:53:02] how do I create a new user group? [19:53:43] mutante: The Template:Todo page is protected on Wikimedia, so how can I cut paste the code? [19:53:55] you can still view it [19:54:03] how? [19:54:15] click view source or http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Todo&action=edit [19:57:26] re [20:02:01] 03kim * r26808 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (App.php OmegaWiki/Copy.php): [20:02:01] Copying for alternate definitions implemented. [20:02:01] Not in spec, so set to disabled in App.php [20:03:53] AphelionZ: i think only on the mysql console, first get the user id of the user you want to add to a group, select user_id from user where user_name="bmaret"; then insert into user_groups (ug_user,ug_group) values ("4","newgroup"); if "4" was the user id [20:04:12] hmm [20:06:10] hello? [20:06:15] eh, .. (4,"newgroup"); [20:06:21] anyone a MediaWiki guru? [20:06:28] just got a simple question [20:06:32] possibly.... [20:07:06] how do I fix this error when trying to create/confirm an email address? SMTP server response: 550 5.7.1 [20:07:40] use a different smtp server that doesnt reject your mail [20:07:50] 550 means refused [20:08:15] oh I see, what could be causing that rejection? [20:08:39] that the server doesnt want to be an open relay that can be used by spammers [20:08:53] and therefore only accepts mail for certain recipients that it feels responsible for [20:09:40] oh ok, could that message also come up if the address is not valid? [20:10:08] no, that would normally say "unknown user" or something [20:10:17] hmm...ok [20:10:41] well here's my situation, I'm trying to set up an internal wiki for a company [20:11:02] I'm trying to get this email confirmation setup working [20:11:38] where is the smtp server that you are trying to use [20:12:06] it's on another company's network [20:12:10] that's the issue huh? [20:12:34] hmm, im not an expert, but i think you need to ask the admin of that smtp server [20:12:48] ask them what exactly? [20:13:03] see it's weird [20:13:03] to change his config to accept mails from your wiki [20:13:48] for the Emergency contact setting, it's an email address from the same outside server the [20:13:56] to "relay" mail for you [20:15:26] smtp server is set to [20:15:33] maybe you dont want to use the external smtp at all, and have the same host that has the wiki, also send out the email right away [20:15:52] it can only listen to localhost connections from the wiki then and doesnt need to be public [20:17:33] but see, the confusing thing is...ok I'm testing this confirmation email [20:17:42] and I GET a confirmation email [20:17:49] even though it gives me an error [20:17:59] uh? [20:19:04] that confuses me too [20:21:03] mutante, still around? [20:21:06] it's Ceej989 [20:21:42] 03erik * r26809 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [20:21:42] standardize global name [20:21:42] fix number of script [20:23:15] howdy. is there a way to have category views listed on Special:Popularpages as well? [20:26:42] hello, how do I get email relaying to work properly? [20:28:56] 03(NEW) Property namespace is ill-formed in SemanticMediaiWiki RDF Dump - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11692 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (hsolbrig) [20:32:38] *Administrator__ ? [20:32:44] hmm [20:34:53] grrr... permissions should be read+write, or view+edit. we use read+edit :( [20:35:14] crap [20:35:25] can someone kick out the other Ceej's? [20:39:45] cool [20:39:59] can someone help me with email relaying? [20:41:16] mutante? still there? [20:42:06] damn it [20:42:51] Explain about relaying? [20:43:45] sure, hold on one sec [20:44:38] basically I'm trying to set up a internal wiki [20:45:47] and when a user creates their own account and enter their email, it gives me this error [20:46:22] SMTP server response: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for [20:47:31] anyway, so how it's set up right now, I'm using an external email/SMTP address [20:48:12] Usually you get a message like them when using un-authenticated smtp to send email [20:48:29] The smtp server does not trust your IP address for some reason. [20:48:57] hi [20:49:23] This would be unusual for a commercial hosting setup, maybe you need to get your mail admin to make sure the server is accepting connections from your web server [20:49:30] I've a problem with the CharInsert extension [20:49:54] CharInsert shows questionmarks in black squares but not in the edit window only after it is saved - that's only for a few characters like the crossed = [20:50:17] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:CharInsert section6 [20:51:30] ok [20:51:52] robbot164, so how do I make it a trusted ip? [20:52:18] huggle, how did you change your name like that? [20:52:47] anyways [20:53:16] so basically, I need to have the SMTP address an internal address, right? [20:54:24] so say my wiki is on ABC.com network, the smtp address needs to be pointing to abc.com's smtp, right? [20:54:47] not to def.com's smtp address [20:55:07] anybody? [20:56:01] dangnammit, robbit164 is gone [20:56:03] noooooo [20:56:34] finding help can be slow... [20:56:42] hi all [20:57:04] hey [20:57:22] are you a MediaWiki guru?? [20:57:28] no [20:57:31] I need help ;) [20:57:34] heh [20:57:37] Ceej676: it can be specially slow if you are asking in the wrong channel.... [20:57:51] Go ahead and ask your question, ghost [20:57:54] Ceej676: SMTP settings are not really mediawiki specific [20:57:56] well [20:58:01] I just installed Media Wiki [20:58:10] I wanted to edit te sidebar [20:58:12] that works fine [20:58:24] afaik, I need to set some new "tokens" in Special:Allmessages. [20:58:31] but that site is just empty [20:58:36] all white [20:58:47] what did I do wrong? [20:58:48] I agree Duesentrieb, but...someone here may have possible ideas? [20:59:20] (I'm using 1.11.0) [20:59:43] Ceej676: sure. use the same settings you use for your mail program at home. [21:00:14] GhostShot: if it's all white, then something is very broken. an all white page indicates a fatal php error. [21:00:24] oh [21:00:34] but all the other pages I tried work fine [21:00:48] it's very likely a broken extension [21:01:03] one that doesn't implement the LoadAllMessages hook quite right [21:01:08] no extension installed [21:01:13] ~.~ [21:01:20] I just set up MediaWiki [21:01:24] GhostShot: then it's evil server pixies :) [21:01:30] ?? [21:01:38] GhostShot: look at apache's error log. enable full error reporting in LocalSettings.php [21:01:58] the problem is: I'm on a free hoster, I don't ahve access to logs [21:01:59] :( [21:02:06] Duesntrieb, but it's not for my home, it's for a company [21:03:07] when I installed it [21:03:24] I got a message, that there's no extension for caching objects [21:03:39] Ceej676: so use *their* settings. SMTP is what you usually use via a "mail program". you need an account (i.e. an email address) at some SMTP server. you supply the info it expects to mediawiki, so it can use it. or you set up a MTA on the webserver (which is generally what "real" web hosts do), and don't use SMTP directly. [21:04:21] GhostShot: sure that it said "extension"? you probably mean memchached, which isn't an extension in mediawiki terminology. [21:04:32] no, I'm not sure [21:04:42] GhostShot: anway: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1); <--- put that into your LocalSettings.php [21:04:47] kk [21:04:54] then try again [21:05:34] still nothing [21:05:52] Dues, see this is what is confusing me, my Emergency contact/PasswordSender email address is from an smtp address outside of this local network [21:05:59] GhostShot: look at apacheÄs error log. [21:06:07] so what I did was set the smtp settings as well to this outside network [21:06:14] is it possible to get edittokens from api.php to post a legal modification on mediawiki ? [21:06:52] so sending and confirming emails to email addresses in THAT outside network work, obviously [21:07:01] meithal: don't think so... not until you can post directly via the api. which is an experimental feature, disabled per default. but i'm not sure about this stuff, it's under construction. [21:07:17] sry [21:07:19] it jsut crashed [21:07:21] I think I didn't get your last message [21:07:26] now is there a way for that address to relay addresses to this internal network? [21:07:29] Ceej676: generally, you supply an SMTP server to contact. where it is does not matter.. [21:07:40] or am I just going about this the wrong way [21:08:01] Ceej676: "realy to the network"? it doesn't relay anything. you can not even receive messages using an SMTP server. you can only send. [21:08:07] Duesentrieb : i post via XMLHttpRequest on action=submit, but i want to avoid to call the action=edit which is a very heavy page (for server load especially) [21:08:14] (email is odd that way - sending and receiving are completely unrelated= [21:08:31] meithal: can't help you there [21:08:45] meithal: ask yurik or one of the others working on the api [21:09:00] display_errors On [21:09:02] i understand that smtp is just for sending emails [21:09:20] error_reporting 6135 [21:09:23] dunno what it stands for [21:09:39] E_ALL, i suppose [21:09:47] but... err... where's that from? [21:09:54] that should not show up in apache's error log. [21:09:56] I made phpinfo(); file [21:10:00] ah. [21:10:04] well, that doesn't help [21:10:07] look at the log. [21:10:13] I don't have a log :( [21:10:19] it's a free hoster [21:10:23] I can't access this [21:10:29] (I think) [21:10:40] GhostShot: even on a free hoster, you should have log access. it's essential to keeping any site reasonable safe & healthy. [21:10:43] ask them about it [21:10:52] kk [21:10:53] if they won't give you access, leave the host. [21:11:23] other question : how does action=raw and maxage work ? (more precisely, how can i force no-cache on XMLHttpRequest on action=raw ?) [21:11:54] Duesentrieb : thanks, i'll ask [21:12:16] GhostShot: btw - you can create system messages without using Special:Allmessages - it's just a convenient list to find them. [21:12:30] is this stored in the database? [21:14:42] GhostShot: yes (well, modified messages are. default messages com from message files) [21:14:50] kk [21:14:54] thanks [21:22:20] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#Raw don't help really me [21:24:18] meithal: maxage=0 doesn't work? [21:26:30] Duesentrieb : thought it was more tricky :D [21:27:08] !tias | meithal [21:27:08] meithal : Try it and see. You learn much more by experimentation than by asking without having even tried. [21:27:45] yeah but with javascript it's so tedious X( [21:28:50] Hello. I moved my wiki-site from one server to another but now I only get a blank startpage and nothing else. I tried to add the code to see errors int he Localsettings.php file but all I still can see if a blank page and no error messages at all...I have not changed anything, the username and password to the database is the same as it was before so right now I'm stuck considering do a fresh install but then I don't know if I can get back everyth [21:29:10] and in my mind, the syntax could be something like yyyy:mm:dd or mm/dd/yyyy whatever, something too long to find with blind tests [21:30:38] meithal: hm? syntax for what? [21:30:47] for maxage argument [21:32:40] meithal: it's an age, not a point in time. age is generally given in seconds. also, the documentation states it's the value of the "Cache-Control HTTP header field". So, all you have to do is look at the HTTP spec and see what that header allowsas a value for maxage. [21:33:24] broodhill: something is very very broken. look at apache's error log, perhaps it can tell you. first guess: bad file permissions. apache and/or php must be able to read your php files. [21:36:57] ok I think I got it, and understand, thanks very much Duesentrieb [21:37:40] yeah, I would have to set up relay access from their smtp to other smtp addresses or something or other [21:38:13] but since it's going to be an internal wiki, the email addresses should only be internal email address [21:38:17] so [21:38:23] problem solved, for now [21:38:26] heh, take care all [21:38:28] Call to undefined function: headers_list() & syntax error, unexpected T_STRING, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' is the errors i can see in the log..are those permission errors? [21:38:39] \quit [21:39:04] broodhill: no, those are "file is broken" errors [21:39:12] broodhill: or "wrong php version". [21:39:21] but it does sound more like "file is broken" [21:39:27] okay..so i need to make a fresh install? [21:39:43] or find out while the files are broken, and fix it. [21:39:49] in any case, check php version first [21:40:22] a fresh install should not harm your data btw. but that's a capital SHOULD. Always make a backup. [21:42:00] okay. so just dump the sql data, make fresh install and import the sql again to be sure it does not harm the data? :) [21:43:14] no. dump the sql data, then make a fresh install. [21:43:23] if it did harm the data, restore from backup [21:43:29] okidok:) [21:43:35] thanks alot. will do that :) [21:43:42] make an xml dump too, while you are at it (requires a working copy of mediawiki though...) [21:43:58] hm ...that is harder then.. [21:44:07] http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5woNs9WRE [21:44:11] it's not a requirement, but comes in handy somtimes [21:44:11] ... [21:44:19] !backup | broodhill [21:44:19] broodhill : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [21:44:27] !update | broodhill [21:44:29] i checked my phpversion and it is 4.4.7..if that helps tho [21:44:32] uh? [21:44:37] !upgrade | broodhill [21:44:37] broodhill : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [21:44:40] ah [21:44:53] broodhill: yes, that helps. it won't work. mediawiki requires php5 [21:45:02] broodhill: any version after 1.6 does, that is [21:45:10] oh damnit [21:45:19] will have to try get it updates then somehow [21:45:50] yes... or find out if it'S already there [21:46:13] in some places, php4 is the default, but php5 is around and can be "activated" for your app [21:46:23] ah ok [21:46:30] (or you have to use .php5 file extension or ugly cruft like that) [21:47:14] a host that only has php4 should probably be kicked in the balls and left to rot... [21:48:12] lol. well im not paying for this host, getting it from a dude, but i will ask him about php5 and see what he says [21:48:25] but thanks for the help, now i know what the problem is :) [21:59:02] no, really, Duesentrieb, tell us how you feel about php4 :) [21:59:35] php4 is da suxor. [21:59:40] php5 is still pretty bad. [22:00:01] it's the code everyone loves to hate, that's for sure [22:14:06] I am trying to use namespaceDupes.php and when I execute using 'php namespaceDupes.php' I just receive the next prompt, no output. It won't take --help or --fix. I can't seem to find any information on this maintenance script. Any Help? [22:18:36] Anyone? [22:25:23] I am trying to use namespaceDupes.php and when I execute using 'php namespaceDupes.php' I just receive the next prompt, no output. It won't take --help or --fix. I can't seem to find any information on this maintenance script. Any Help? [22:39:05] 03(mod) Renaming class User to MWUser - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11688 (10nunotavares) [22:44:05] 03rainman * r26810 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/ (30 files in 10 dirs): [22:44:05] Ranking: [22:44:05] * Introduce Aggregate fields, used to store related field [22:44:05] * MainPhrase scoring skeleton, needs profiling & optimization, [22:44:05] uses CustomPhraseQuery and offsprings [22:47:53] 03david * r26811 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (Lqt.i18n.php LqtPages.php): More i18n. [22:51:35] 03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10l8qjvx002) [22:54:17] hi, how do i add in little messages in the header like wikipedia does? [22:56:42] 03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10robchur) [22:59:09] 03(mod) "Persistent" login expires many times within a single session - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1396 (10phillipa.bere) [23:04:53] anyone know? [23:12:12] 03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10l8qjvx002) [23:12:46] 03(NEW) Preview ignores #redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11693 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (derlay-1) [23:15:20] 14(DUP) Preview ignores #redirect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11693 +comment (10robchur) [23:15:22] 03(mod) Redirect graphic not shown in preview - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2333 +comment (10robchur) [23:29:09] 04(REOPENED) semi-protect Image: namespace on pt.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11658 +comment (10waldir) [23:34:03] does anyone here know how to add in the message below the title of the article, ex: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ? [23:41:42] 03(NEW) ontoworld's Special: Browse thinks missing pages are in Category:Testpage - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11694 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)