[00:03:44] need some advice >_< [00:03:51] The upload directory (http://www.openrdx.com/wiki/uploads) is not writable by the webserver. [00:04:06] make it writable by the server [00:04:09] i check everything on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Uploads [00:04:16] php uploads is enabled [00:04:22] fille permissions should be 755 no? [00:04:29] 777 [00:04:31] depends [00:04:41] lemmie try 777 [00:04:53] if the ownership of the directory is set to the user as which the webserver runs, 755 is good [00:05:36] still no dice with 777 [00:05:48] hmmm [00:06:01] what exactly does the Hashed thing do? [00:06:08] $wgHashedUploadDirectory = true; [00:07:51] any ideas : / [00:07:55] im stumped [00:08:18] puts files in subfolders like /b/bb/image.jpg [00:08:36] vs. just a straight listing [00:08:52] ah [00:08:58] would that effect this? [00:09:03] would seem like no [00:09:08] no, i don't believe so [00:10:18] you working on a new install? [00:10:24] yes [00:10:34] it was installed on another site [00:10:37] and i moved it today [00:10:48] its still only been live for maybe 4 days [00:11:05] uploads never worked on either server [00:11:16] you have enableuploads = true? [00:11:33] http://www.openrdx.com/test.php [00:11:35] yes [00:11:45] i'll make a pastebin of my conif [00:12:01] be sure to remove personal info [00:13:07] http://pastebin.com/m5101fdd2 [00:13:11] i beleive i removed it all >_< [00:13:17] guess i'll find out : P [00:13:23] evening [00:13:30] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Changing_wiki_content [00:13:57] i'm confused. How can I use the API to add an article ? [00:14:59] dachary, $article = new Article($title); $article->doEdit($content, $comment, $flags); [00:15:01] wonder if i have any corrupt files or something [00:15:09] fridgid: did you rename the images directory? [00:15:37] yes to uploads, this was because of the possible pphp alias i read about [00:15:47] lch: thanks [00:15:59] $wgUploadPath = "$wgScriptPath/uploads"; [00:16:01] $wgUploadDirectory = "$IP/uploads"; [00:16:21] i should use those instead? [00:16:24] kk [00:16:26] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Uploads [00:16:31] ^^ thats where ir ead about the alias [00:16:45] i don't ahve access to php.ini so i just wanted to eliminate the possibility [00:17:18] dachary, I have no idea what you digged out there, the real API documentation is at http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/ [00:18:22] that fixed it MZMcBride [00:18:23] ty [00:18:29] yay! [00:18:29] question how was that incorrect [00:18:35] i believe those paths were correct no? [00:18:42] i guess you wouldn't know cuz you cna't see it [00:18:47] the ones you had? [00:18:50] yeah [00:19:03] you don't have a directory named /wiki/ [00:19:03] $wgScriptPath = "/wiki"; [00:19:18] hmm [00:19:20] it's not actually there, so files can't be uploaded there [00:19:56] ah well, thank you very much, saved me a lot of time xd [00:20:47] also, if i don't ahve ssh access to run the test phps whats easiest way to check for imagemagik? [00:21:29] i guess upload something and try to scale it [00:21:29] xD [00:21:42] make sure you enable it in LocalSettings [00:22:18] yup i had ti disabled just in case it was causing troubles [00:22:51] lch: is there a script in the maintainance directory that might help me push a file in an article ? [00:22:54] gotcha [00:22:57] seems like a common need [00:23:12] dachary, yes, importTextFile.php [00:23:26] haaha [00:23:35] the name is ... [00:23:41] .. self explanatory ;-) [00:24:09] contents should be exactly what you want to have as wiki text in the article [00:24:15] parameters are explained [00:25:47] fridgid, easiest way is to upload some phpinfo(); script [00:26:00] that tells you everything you need to know [00:26:01] where is it on that [00:26:03] i alreasdy have on [00:26:07] dunno what im looking for [00:26:13] http://www.openrdx.com/test.php [00:26:32] btw its not very good practice to leave a script like on the server is it? [00:26:40] once i'm done config no? [00:26:53] well, you don't seem to have imagemagick installed, at least not as PHP module [00:27:06] might still be installed on the system itself, as command line tools [00:27:28] wiki requires the php module right? [00:27:30] you should delete the file once you're over testing, yes [00:27:45] I'm not sure [00:27:53] mediatemple should have it [00:28:13] if i do no ahve imagemagick, should both settings below be false? [00:28:17] $wgUseImageResize = true; [00:28:18] $wgUseImageMagick = true; [00:28:37] Resize is a imagemagick function ? [00:28:57] seems like it uses the command line tools [00:28:59] see $wgImageMagickConvertCommand [00:50:58] is there a global Linker object I can use? [00:52:00] I'm a little surprised that I can't use the Linker without an object instance [01:19:39] How would I go about parsing data on the revision history page; alternatively, how would I calculate the size in page differences if they were not previously recorded on the revision history page? [01:20:10] are there pre-existing server variables for diff sizes? [01:44:32] <_Steve_> i have a 1.11.0 install that i've upgraded from an older version, there is no content in Help: is that normal? [01:59:50] _Steve_, there is never content in help by default [01:59:57] you have to fill it yourself [02:00:21] <_Steve_> ok [02:00:25] <_Steve_> is there any default content? [02:00:50] _Steve_: You can import some help pages; hold on, I'll find the link. [02:01:03] <_Steve_> cool, thanks. [02:01:09] [02:01:26] <_Steve_> i guess there isn't any default content.... [02:01:30] Nope. [02:01:43] mwbot help [02:01:55] >.> [02:02:52] <_Steve_> thanks for the link, i'll check that out [02:08:03] I don't suppose someone's already written a template to parse diff edit sizes if they weren't already counted? [02:08:12] and output it to a table [02:11:23] <_Steve_> hmm, imported the help, but lots of broken links there [02:21:22] What's the proper way of mirroring a wiki? [02:21:38] I don't imagine wget --mirror is going to suffice [02:22:01] <_Steve_> so, i've edited the Help:Contents page more recently than the one i imported... so my edits show up. when i click undo, all i see is my more recent version... any hints [02:22:22] <_Steve_> plus_M: dump the database then copy that over? [02:22:39] I don't have access to this particular wiki [02:22:47] Well [02:22:50] That kind of acces [02:22:51] s [02:25:04] <_Steve_> so like, with my help, all the language stuff at the bottom shows up with the #if blah stuff [02:25:10] <_Steve_> English {{#ifexist: {{#if: Help:Contents | Help:Contents | {{#if: Help | Help:}}Contents}}/ar | • {{#if: Help:Contents|العربية| العربية}}|}} {{#ifexist: {{#if: Help:Contents | Help:Contents | {{#if: Help | [02:37:05] what the heck is an xml file for? [02:44:19] R_King: In What context? [03:03:44] exporting an article into an xml format [03:03:58] i want to derive diff size and author from it [03:09:25] in the wikipedia pages there are references with tags, how can i enable this feature on my mediawiki? [03:13:12] <_Steve_> good question [03:13:38] <_Steve_> i wish there were some doc of how wikipedia is setup... or at least extensions used and a few key config settings [03:16:36] *_Steve_ debates installing the ParserFunctions extension [03:23:27] <_Steve_> is there a way to see what extensions are installed on a wiki? [03:25:03] _Steve_: Go to the wiki page "Special:Version". [03:25:10] <_Steve_> cool, thanks [03:25:21] iam8up: That's the cite.php extension; search mediawiki.org. [03:25:33] _Steve_: Welcome. [03:26:08] <_Steve_> just installed parserfunctions, but now i get blank pages... hmm.... [03:26:58] <_Steve_> oh, need dir [03:27:54] <_Steve_> hmm, works again, but still no parserfunctions working [03:28:16] i don't suppose anyone knows of an XML parser so I can process the output of a history, do they? [03:29:47] _Steve_: Try pasting your LocalSettings.php in . Be sure to remove the database info and any other sensitive information. [03:31:41] 03(NEW) invalid HTML: invalid width attribute value - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11738 normal; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (peter.moulder) [03:32:40] Pathoschild - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php <-- it says to stick the require_once near the bottom of the file, any suggestions (i was gonna put it below the require_once for DefaultSettings.php) [03:34:12] iam8up: At the very bottom is good, but above "?>" if it's there. I'd suggest adding a new section like "Custom settings". [03:34:17] i see [03:34:22] 14(INVALID) Dropdown Lists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11737 +comment (10yaron57) [03:34:31] oooh i get it, at the bottom but inside the php tags... [03:34:36] Yep. :) [03:36:02] <_Steve_> http://rafb.net/p/nTjSWN51.html [03:36:06] 03brion * r26873 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/CentralNotice.php: sighhh [03:36:22] <_Steve_> Pathoschild: there ya go [03:36:31] thanks a bunch for your help [03:36:40] iam8up: Welcome. [03:38:24] _Steve_: Could you link me to your wiki, if it's public? [03:38:35] <_Steve_> not public [03:39:04] Okay. When you write "{{#if:true|do if true}}", what does it output? [03:39:39] <_Steve_> do if true [03:39:50] Then it's working perfectly. [03:39:52] <_Steve_> ok [03:40:01] <_Steve_> so why doesn't it work on the Help:Contents page I imported? [03:40:34] Try going into edit view and clicking save; you don't have to change anything. [03:40:41] That should rerender the page. [03:41:05] <_Steve_> uh, yeah, that did it [03:41:08] <_Steve_> so... ? [03:41:26] So it's working, but cached pages still show the version cached before ParserFunctions were installed. [03:42:36] <_Steve_> k [03:44:19] <_Steve_> thanks [03:44:22] <_Steve_> i guess that's solved [03:44:44] <_Steve_> and now i know how to find out which extensions are installed [03:44:54] <_Steve_> although that doesn't cover things like enabling math in the config file [03:44:59] <_Steve_> which i have to figure out [03:45:15] <_Steve_> one thing i want to figure out too is how to make infoboxes and such [03:48:53] <_Steve_> hmm, and i guess that also doesn't cover css type things [03:49:56] <_Steve_> like, i'm copying over an infobox template from wikipedia and the layout is all wrong... [03:55:14] <_Steve_> there seems to be some css in index.php.... i wonder how that ends up there... [04:02:27] _Steve_: you need to copy MediaWiki:Monobook.css and MediaWiki:Common.css to get various CSS classes to work correctly [04:03:37] <_Steve_> oh, thanks. [04:03:53] <_Steve_> dare i ask why this isn't default? :) [04:05:32] Because those are custom classes for templates created by the en-Wikipedia community. The default classes are defined elsewhere. :) [04:05:41] :) [04:05:59] <_Steve_> ok [04:06:13] <_Steve_> so i did that, but no luck. :( [04:06:33] did you bypass your cache? [04:06:45] it's imperative [04:07:11] <_Steve_> i'm doing a preview edit... [04:07:22] of what? [04:07:28] <_Steve_> of the infobox template [04:07:44] unless you've bypassed your cache, anything in your browser window will display wrong [04:07:56] <_Steve_> do you mean browser cache or php cache? [04:07:59] browser [04:08:02] Browser. [04:08:09] If you're using Firefox, hit CTRL+R. [04:08:17] alt-f4 if you're on windows i believe [04:08:27] or hold down shift and press the refresh button infirefox [04:09:57] <_Steve_> yeah, did that, no luck [04:11:09] <_Steve_> oh wait, sorry [04:11:13] <_Steve_> preview... [04:11:21] 03(mod) invalid HTML: invalid width attribute value - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11738 +comment (10peter.moulder) [04:11:35] <_Steve_> had to save, then do then do the refresh [04:13:24] ...save MediaWiki:Common.css ? [04:16:19] <_Steve_> did that [04:17:41] _Steve_: it's working now? [04:17:46] <_Steve_> sorta [04:17:58] <_Steve_> part of the infobox layout is correct [04:18:00] <_Steve_> part is foobar [04:18:12] <_Steve_> and all pages are now missing the page name in them [04:18:30] you're working with a template? [04:20:24] <_Steve_> yeah [04:20:29] did you take it from wikipedia? [04:20:40] which template? [04:20:52] <_Steve_> Template:Infobox Software [04:21:00] <_Steve_> i'm trying to figure out infoboxes [04:21:04] <_Steve_> and other thing, like shortcut boxes, ec. [04:21:12] <_Steve_> so i just picked that one randomly and gave it a try [04:21:25] it's most likely caused by not enabling tidy [04:21:29] !tidy [04:21:29] For more information about HTML Tidy, see . [04:21:45] <_Steve_> (side note, deleting monobook.css fixed the all pages layout problem) [04:21:47] <_Steve_> ok [04:21:56] it cleans up the code, especially in templates [04:22:16] <_Steve_> cool [04:22:34] <_Steve_> let me give that a try [04:24:11] <_Steve_> hmm, how do i tell if it's working? [04:24:19] <_Steve_> i installed tidy and enabled it... *shrug* [04:27:10] <_Steve_> so i created the template and it looked OKish [04:27:20] <_Steve_> on a sandbox page, i used the template [04:27:29] <_Steve_> the name part is fine, but other attributes look off [04:27:50] <_Steve_> ok, sorry, bed [04:28:24] !xml [04:28:45] hmm [04:29:30] R_King: What are you looking for? [04:30:45] <_Steve_> or not [04:30:56] <_Steve_> ok, that's weird. when i edit the sandbox page, it looks right [04:31:05] <_Steve_> when i view the page, it doesn't.... must be a cache thing [04:31:27] <_Steve_> yep... ok. [04:32:00] what I need is a way to parse article histories to determine user contribution based on diffs [04:32:15] _Steve_: all better? [04:32:17] I can get the whole article in an xml document using Special:Export [04:32:19] <_Steve_> yep [04:32:30] fantastic [04:32:51] <_Steve_> thanks for the help [04:33:15] but I can't seem to figure how to extract what I need from the document [04:33:35] <_Steve_> i suppose i'll have to wait until tomorrow to get

stuff working
[04:34:37] i basically want to generate an html table that says
[04:35:05] this user contributed (x) bytes out of (total bytes) to the overall article 
[04:35:10] Ah I see. 
[04:35:46] there doesn't seem to be any easy way of doing it though
[04:36:25] The XML export wasn' really designed for that.
[04:36:28] R_King: That would be very difficult; if user X contributes 300 bytes, then user Y reverts the 300 bytes three revisions later, did user X still contribute 300 bytes?
[04:36:56] I think there was a "blame" extension to highlight text based on who contributed it, though.
[04:37:16] *Shanel 	blames Pathoschild.
[04:37:29] Yep.
[04:37:38] in either case, I also need to count words contributed
[04:37:47] in case of rewriting
[04:38:01] there will be manual weights adjusted though
[04:38:03] to edits
[04:38:32] but i still have to extract the information I need, and that is where I'm totally up the creek
[04:39:11] R_King: Here's the similar extension I mentioned: [04:43:29] that appears to be pretty useful and close to my goal
[04:43:43] but there's no indication of record keeping
[05:05:53] Hi, trying to work out how to add a user to the sysop group
[05:08:48] sime: use the wiki page "special:userrights" if you have a bureaucrat flag. The user created during installation should have it.
[05:11:16] Cool. is a bureaucrat higher then sysop ?
[05:12:26] No; it just has different user rights.
[05:12:44] Most bureaucrats are also sysops, because they have different rights.
[05:13:08] If you want to know the specific details:
[05:13:12]!rights
[05:13:12] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[05:13:44] Yes, i assumed that sysops double as bureaucrats.
[05:14:33] The only thing a bureaucrat has is access to [[special:userrights]].
[05:14:42] to create a group, i have a line like this: 
[05:14:42] $wgGroupPermissions['new_group']['action'] = true
[05:14:46] Yep.
[05:15:08] Keep in mind that 'action' can't be anything; it has to be an existing right.
[05:16:45] Does the API in the default configuration, allow anybody to perform request to the API (e.g. user signup)?
[05:17:30] Because I only want to allow access to the API from specific scripts (probably using a magic string)
[05:36:12] i wanna know if there's a restriction on template usage in individual article
[05:36:27] like some templates are not expanded in: http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4%EB%B0%B1%EA%B3%BC:%EB%B0%94%EB%B2%A8#T
[05:40:20] apparently there's a restriction, but i want the information about it
[05:42:12] puzzlet: the channel seems dead right now; you may want to ask again later
[05:45:25] puzzlet: Yes. There's a restriction on "pre-include size", which is the total size of all the content the server has to process (including everything on the documentation page, like'd documentation).
[05:45:28] I think it's 2MB.
[05:46:59] That's why en-Wikipedia and some wikis use templates like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:documentation to show content from a subpage; then the documentation only a few dozen bytes for " {{documentation}} ", instead of kilobytes for the full documentation text.
[05:47:13] only takes up*
[05:47:25] puzzlet_: Did you get my answer?
[05:47:53] nope
[05:49:34] *puzzlet_ 	thinks this university isp sucks
[05:49:34] Yes. There's a restriction on "pre-include size", which is the total size of all the content the server has to process (including everything on the documentation page, like'd documentation).
[05:49:40] I think it's 2MB.
[05:49:43] That's why en-Wikipedia and some wikis use templates like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:documentation to show content from a subpage; then the documentation only a few dozen bytes for " {{documentation}} ", instead of kilobytes for the full documentation text.
[05:49:54] only takes up*
[05:50:13] Great, I even forgot to correct the typo while I was backpasting.
[05:50:56]

[08:13:15] 03ilabarg1 * r26874 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: BUG corrected- Edittime must be formated before builds wpEdittime parameter. [08:32:14] mornin folks [08:33:36] i cant set a logo, whatever i do! where is my fault? i set the $wgLogo path a thousand times, i changed the image from gif to png, no success [08:33:51] the img is smaller then the standard res 150px square [08:34:27] i also changed the rights and stuff [08:34:37] i can access the pic directly [08:34:45] but its not on the page :( [08:35:09] do you have a link to the page? [08:35:29] and can you put your localsettings with passwords etc. removed in a pastebin? [08:35:31] !pastebin [08:35:31] Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as and post a link to your paste in the channel. [08:35:43] @search help [08:35:43] Results: [ask, interwiki, magicword, mwbot, namespace, namespaces, parserfunctions, rights, syntax, timezone, usergroups] [08:36:51] Does anyone think that a link to http://blog.anubite.co.uk/index.php/getting-good-irc-support/ is worthy of being featured in the topic or a factoid. I think it is very accurate and concise. [08:40:32] MinuteElectron: https://lnx9.un.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de/wiki/index.php/Hauptseite [08:41:36] pretty odd [08:41:53] i just realized its only on some pages [08:42:02] on others the logo is visible [08:42:37] It is because your browser is treating index.php/ as a subdirectory as apposed to a page. [08:43:06] err... there seems to be majopr breakage in the EditPage in latest HEAD [08:43:16] can anyone even edit using the latest development version? [08:43:20] I will try. [08:43:41] MinuteElectron: so how can i change that? [08:43:54] i see a call to self::getCheckboxes in line 1172, but getCheckboxes uses $this and must thus not be called in a static way... [08:43:57] what gives? [08:44:00] You could either use rewrite rules, or some other method that I can't think about at the moment. [08:44:26] Duesentrieb: WikiTest updating, will be live in about 2-3 minutes. [08:44:55] <_wooz> lo [08:45:05] hm right when i replace the / with a ? it works :( [08:45:22] Duesentrieb: what revision are you on? [08:45:47] 26874 [08:45:58] What page do you see the bug on? [08:46:03] oh, wait [08:46:13] my fault. it's not clean. i have been plaing with permission stuff [08:46:14] sorry [08:46:23] >:( [08:46:36] *Duesentrieb hides [08:46:45] ;p [08:47:21] MinuteElectron: rewrite rules? is it some special routine or do i have to take it literally? [08:47:33] @search rewrite [08:47:33] Results: [] [08:47:37] @search url [08:47:37] Results: [logo, purge, shorturls, simpleurl] [08:47:47] !shorturls | Napfton [08:47:47] Napfton : To customize the format of URLs on your wiki, please see . [08:48:17] thx [08:48:20] ill have a look [09:00:54] hm [09:00:58] dont work [09:01:04] :( [09:08:20] Does anyone know of a 1.10/1.11 compatable wikifarm setup? [09:08:33] Some kind of webmin if possible. [09:08:53] I need to host about 5 different wikies for my company and would rather have a single setup [09:09:59] did you look at the Farmer extension? [09:10:16] or write your own, it's not that hard [09:10:24] Duesentrieb: Doesn't work with 1.10/11 [09:10:30] 1.8 was the last stable release. [09:10:42] it doesn't? sure? [09:11:35] Do you know of any other solutions or is that my best bet? [09:11:37] MinuteElectron: sry i have to bother you again, but i cant get it workin :( [09:11:44] MinuteElectron: i still get 404 errors [09:11:56] i tried all howtos on the short url page [09:12:03] mrshlee: the best solution is: write your own. [09:12:14] mrshlee: you know best what you need. and if you know a little php, it's pretty easy [09:12:29] mrshlee: there's some info linked from the faw too [09:12:36] Duesentrieb: I can.. just don't want to remake the wheel if its been done before. [09:12:55] mrshlee: well... it has been invented before... in vqarious shapes :P [09:18:20] Hi [09:18:28] Why article after delete still exists in memcache? [09:21:03] re [09:21:21] MinuteElectron: now i got one shorturl tut working but still no pictures :( [09:25:49] one se [09:25:49] c [09:26:02] kk [09:26:11] Napfton: set $wgLogo="/wiki/bapedia_logo.png"; [09:26:50] still nothing :( [09:27:04] i didnt think it'd be so hard to set a logo ;( [09:28:11] get the whole URL of the image and then set $wgLogo = "http://someserver.tld/somefolder/logo_image_name_here.png"; on LocalSettings.php [09:28:19] Full URL usually work [09:28:33] yeah [09:28:38] s/url/urls [09:30:04] nope [09:30:07] still nothing [09:30:18] i also moved the pic to a totally different dir [09:30:31] why localhost? [09:30:39] why not? [09:30:51] becuase that makes no sense [09:31:04] try just putting "/bapedia_logo.png" [09:31:09] since you moved it that might work [09:31:19] if that doesn't try "https://lnx9.un.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de/bapedia_logo.png" [09:31:23] it works now [09:31:27] the last one did it [09:31:30] odd [09:31:43] not really [09:31:52] why doesnt he find the localhost thingy then? [09:32:12] because localhost is the computer the page is being viewed on [09:32:23] oh [09:32:26] damn right [09:32:40] i feel like a newbie :( [09:32:58] never mixed that stuff up on webpages [09:33:48] other q: where do i get those templates? do i have to make them all myself? or is there an archive i can dl and install? [09:34:03] like the "this user speaks german" shit on wikipedia eg [09:34:05] you must make them ourself or copy from another wiki [09:34:10] ok [09:34:13] thats what i thought [09:34:23] thanks for all your help [09:34:34] no [09:36:17] no? [09:37:01] problme [09:37:06] o is near p [09:37:19] ah [09:37:21] ok [09:37:22] :) [09:37:23] bye [09:37:32] <---- total epic noob [09:37:42] goodbye [09:37:42] :) [09:39:14] <[1]Mark> Hello. I'd like to add a tag that includes some javascript with the tagged text being inserted in the javascript. Where is the best place to start looking for this, the Manual:Tag_extensions? [09:41:35] Hello all. Is exist any way create password protected pages? [09:41:44] No all wiki, but just some pages [09:42:56] !cms | solshark__ [09:42:56] solshark__ : You are advised to install an appropriate content management package for per-page read restrictions. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job due to borked hacks. See if you really want too. [09:50:08] Thx [09:56:45] 03(mod) Cannot subst special page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11697 +comment (10dungodung) [10:00:18] 03(mod) Cannot subst special page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11697 (10robchur) [10:02:51] 03(mod) Cannot subst special page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11697 +comment (10daniel) [10:06:27] 03(mod) special:random sometimes displays pages in wikipedia namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11717 +comment (10dungodung) [10:22:15] 03(mod) Set logo for Hungarian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11715 (10tartaruen) [10:32:33] 03river * r26875 10/trunk/tools/addlog/addlog.py: add -h option to display help [10:49:54] Can I call DEFAULTSORT like $wgAllowDisplayTitle? In MW 1.9? [10:53:44] ugh [10:54:30] "ugh"? [10:56:07] ? [10:57:04] ugh! [11:00:17] Okay, let me repeat my question: I'm using mw 1.9. When I try to use DEFAULTSORT in a page it appears like a template link. I want to know if and how I can make an extension out of it like $wgAllowDisplayTitle. [11:01:11] Seems to me it can be done, but I think I'm missing something. [11:01:57] what are you trying to do? [11:02:20] Use the defaultsort magic key [11:02:33] magic key? [11:03:17] magic word... sort key [11:03:41] why can't you just upgrade and used the built in defaultsort? [11:03:58] why should I have to if I can just use the function? [11:04:48] because you are just making life difficult for yourself, you expect us to help you make something you can achieve simply by upgrading to the latest version. [11:05:28] NikeRabbit, I saw http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=26869 and I got a question: why does the Linker need an instance to work instead of using it via static functions? [11:05:46] lots of $this there [11:06:25] Linker::makeKnownLinkObj etc. would make sense [11:07:35] lch: wth? [11:07:55] how is Linker related to that diff? [11:08:13] anyway -> food is warmed [11:08:17] lch: linker is inherited by skin classes [11:08:26] only because of the text, "no such thing as $this in static functions" [11:08:26] lch: those classes can override how links are produced [11:08:44] flyingparchment, ic [11:08:49] $sk = $wgUser->getSkin(); $link = $sk->makeKnownLinkObj(...) [11:09:06] ah thanks [11:12:35] Hey, [11:13:47] I'm trying to sort out the messy MediaWiki HTML and I can't find a certain bit of HTML. When you go to create a new account and there is an error, an new DIV will appear with a class of 'errorbox'. Well, I've done a "grep -ir 'errorbox' ./ and changed that bit of HTML everywhere - yet it has not changed, [11:13:51] where else can this be coming from? [11:16:42] MinuteElectron: Thanks, that's a real help. [11:22:24] So, once again... is it possible to use defaultsort in 1.9? [11:22:48] not without either hacking the code or finding someway to write an extension [11:22:58] but it saves everyone time if you just upgrade [11:29:19] nevermind, I found the messy html stuffed in a PHP file, [11:29:44] MediaWiki *really*, *really* needs to separate it's logic from presentation, [11:30:21] yep [11:30:25] there is a bug [11:30:28] and a patch [11:30:57] oh there is a patch? Got a link? [11:31:26] i rather doubt there's a patch for that [11:31:28] it's a massive job [11:31:52] one that needs doing, though =) [11:32:02] i volunteer you to do it [11:32:19] I have my own project to work on :P [11:32:38] flyingparchment: there is [11:32:45] where? [11:32:56] on bugzill;a [11:33:19] somewhere [11:33:39] I just can't believe how bad the markup actually is, why do people just ignore standards >< [11:34:26] http://bugs.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6872 [11:34:45] that's not enough.. the problem is much larger than just monobook [11:35:06] true [11:35:24] it should be that they all use the same html, just different css [11:35:30] that patch is even worse! [11:35:31] in an ideal world that would be possible [11:35:42] AlexC_: there are several patches... [11:35:49] but this is not an ideal world [11:36:19] *flyingparchment files a bug: rewrite mediawiki as struts application [11:36:22] can a category belong to a namespace? And if so, how does a link to that category look like? [11:36:33] AlexC_: which standards? [11:36:38] lch: all categories are in the Category namespace [11:36:39] they are all not that good, now they just all completely use PHP to echo the HTML, that's madness [11:36:48] Nikerabbit: W3C standards, [11:36:51] bah [11:37:02] flyingparchment, and besides that? it's not possible? [11:37:09] AlexC_: they have many standards, not all of them very good [11:37:15] guess not :P [11:37:16] lch: *all* categories are in the category namespace. that namespace is special. [11:37:19] ok [11:37:22] got it [11:37:30] Nikerabbit: ok, XHTML/HTML strict [11:37:57] I vote for reverting to HTML. [11:38:04] AlexC_: I'd like to see which standards are being breached, and by what code. [11:38:05] AlexC_: mediawiki should output valid XHTML, or it is a bug [11:38:40] I guess the word is "well-formed" not "pretty" [11:39:03] Nikerabbit: Werdna there are *loads* of places where it does, it's filled with them. I mean there is code in there that just goes

Wow this is some text

instead of

Wow this is some text

<.div> [11:39:08] er

even [11:39:30] AlexC_: well, what standards are being breached by that? It validates, no? [11:39:46] Werdna: not at all. Doing

this is text

is not valid [11:40:15] AlexC_: {{citation needed}} [11:40:33] AlexC_: really? I haven't seen w3c's xhtml validator showing any [11:40:34] Hello all [11:41:43] AlexC_: then why does the W3C validator accept it? [11:42:10] I have created a mediawiki on my website and I have made sure that anonumous users cannot edit my pages. But how to I make sure, that users that create an account without being in a group cannot edit pages as well? [11:42:36] !faq [11:42:36] Before reporting a problem or requesting assistance, please check the FAQ first. The FAQ for MediaWiki can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ [11:42:56] I cant find the asnwer to this specific problem that is why I am here [11:43:14] that's weird, ages ago when I did that it was not valid - seems I'm wrong on that part [11:43:30] next standards issue? [11:43:49] there are some wikitext corner cases where valid XHTML is not produced - that's the main issue with serving pages as xml so we can use mathml and such [11:46:13] flyingparchment: does IE* support