tag will work fine [04:31:46] 03yaron * r26991 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_EditData.php: Temporary bug fix until new version is released [04:52:13] just wondering if anyone knows if it is possible to change the template if a certain namespace is in use? [04:54:54] madness: You can use ParserFunctions to do {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}|Talk=This is the talk page content|Category=This is the category content...}}. [04:55:05] !parserfunctions [04:55:05] "parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see [05:14:37] OH CRAP! [05:15:04] not here please... [05:17:16] http://libregamewiki.org/ [05:17:20] madness: what? [05:17:41] don't worry, what do you say ohcrap? [05:17:58] *kiba is in big trouble with his wiki it seem [05:18:09] http://libregamewiki.org/ [05:18:45] Fatal error: Call to undefined method WebRequest::interpolateTitle() [05:18:52] 03(mod) Paging for CheckUser results - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11789 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:18:58] 03(ASSIGNED) Paging for CheckUser results - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11789 (10JSchulz_4587) [05:19:10] madness: can you check it out? [06:08:09] 03(NEW) Image thumbnails don't preserve EXIF data - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11793 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (brianna.laugher) [06:32:43] 03(NEW) Install DidYouMean extension on the English Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11794 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (dmcdevit) [08:12:56] <_wooz> lo [09:15:38] sometimes it would be interesting to see all one's own contributions where one is NOT the (top) anymore [09:46:27] 03(NEW) wfGzipHandler HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING should have an isset() check - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11795 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (jeroen) [09:53:02] 03(mod) Portal namespace for Vietnamese Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11764 +comment (10thanhquang.nguyen) [09:55:51] Is there a way to display/include matematical formulae in MediaWiki articles? [09:56:47] HACK]Gara[: yes, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Texvc [09:58:15] HACK]Gara[: hm, that page is not too informative, sorry. you have to enable it using wgUseTeX, and first of all, you have to build the texvc executable. see the README file in the MATH directory. [10:14:03] hello [10:14:09] I am having a problem with my wiki [10:14:37] http://libregamewiki.org [10:15:22] Fatal error: Call to undefined method WebRequest::interpolateTitle() in /var/www/sites/libregamewiki/HTML/includes/Setup.php on line 233 [10:18:34] kiba: does this happen with a fresh install? or after an upgrade? or after installing some extension? or... [10:19:24] kiba: it sounds like you have a partial update (new version of Setup.php but old version of WebRequest.php) [10:19:35] does ./includes/WebRequest.php exist ? [10:19:44] re [10:20:13] mutante: if it didn't, i think the error should look different (require would fail, resulting in a blank page) [10:23:32] Duesentrieb: Could it be that you need root-access to your wikiserver in order to build texvc execfiles? [10:23:46] HACK]Gara[: no. [10:23:55] well, it *could* be, but it's rather unlikely. [10:24:01] yo *do* need shell access, of course [10:24:28] which is another problem of mine >.< [10:24:38] I don't [10:24:38] and the prerequisites for building must be istalled (build-essentials, ocaml, etc) [10:24:43] some people without shell access have worked around it by uploading one of those "php shells" via ftp [10:24:50] !shell | HACK]Gara[ [10:24:50] HACK]Gara[ : Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painfull without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments. [10:26:21] I know what shell acces is, thanks ;) [10:26:21] Problem is, my freehoster only permits access through FTP and his webfrontend [10:26:49] Duesentrieb: I fixed it [10:26:52] Still [10:27:09] I lost traffics and I don't like losing traffic [10:27:44] HACK]Gara[: the point is not what it is, but why you need it. if you want to seriously use mediawiki, you want shell access. [10:27:57] kiba: whot? [10:28:28] the error remaind when I goes to sleep and didn't resolve itself when I wake up [10:28:37] and I lost like hundred of pageviews over a night sleep [10:29:14] tough. so, what was the problem? [10:29:40] some sort of unforseen syntax error [10:30:01] *kiba was trying to restore editing ability [10:30:20] so, you screwed up LocalSettings.php [10:30:35] HACK]Gara[: if you trust me, you can use my copy of texvc (whould work on most linuxes): http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/misc/texvc [10:30:44] 03(mod) correcting bog message and updating french and english translation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11787 15enhancement->normal; +comment (10bertrand.grondin) [10:30:45] HACK]Gara[: still, you'll want shell access sooner or later. [10:33:25] Duesentrieb: Can I trust you? ;) [10:33:53] you can try... [10:34:13] Well, not as i I had much to lose on a freewebspace ^^ [10:34:24] or, to put it differently: you'll have to if you don't want to review all of mediawiki's php code anyway :) [10:35:51] Is ImageMagick stil a prereq for usage of $wgUseTeX? [10:37:00] 14(WFM) Incorrect or missing documentation regarding logo customization - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11780 +comment (10minuteelectron) [10:38:29] latex, dvips, gs (ghostscript), and convert (ImageMagick) installed <- Sounds like lots of programs that need shell access [10:39:05] programs do not need shell access... [10:39:20] you would need shell access to install those programs, or to manuallycall them [10:39:31] but those have to be installed, yes [10:40:09] they are fairly standard, chances are not bad that they are there, or you can request them to bew installed. [10:40:16] 03(mod) Add "Portal" and "Dyskusja portalu" namespaces to Polish Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11786 +shell (10minuteelectron) [10:40:23] (as opposed to, say, an ocaml compiler to build texvc yourself) [10:41:13] So it is possible they came with the standard MW 1.11 package? [10:42:00] shouldn't their executables be located in the math folder too? [10:42:16] Because they aren't in mine :( [10:43:12] 03(mod) Ability to delete images temporarily - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11709 +comment (10minuteelectron) [10:47:05] HACK]Gara[: no, and no. [10:47:52] HACK]Gara[: the are standalone, standard programe. mediawiki uses them, just like it uses ImageMagick. [10:49:05] which in turn means I won't be able to use them unless i get a precompield package somewhere or shell acces.. [10:50:54] HACK]Gara[: i gave you the precompiled texvc binary. this has nothing to do with *compiling*. texvc uses those programs as *programs*, not as libraries that could be linked in. [10:51:38] HACK]Gara[: you would need shell access only if you want to install them yourself. if you have a host that has them installed, you don't need shell access (though shell is good to have when running mediawiki, or, in fact, any non-trivial web application) [10:52:21] ImageMagick for instance is not installed on my host [10:52:31] I don't know about the other programs [10:53:11] Does that mean that only the TeX output as .gif will fail but still produce html-Output or won't it work at all? [10:55:48] HACK]Gara[: it will not work. [10:56:09] HACK]Gara[: actually, a web host that doesn't have ImageMagick installed is quite odd. that's used by a LOT of web applications. [10:56:19] i'd seriously consider getting a decent host. [10:56:47] does anyone know if it is possible to dynamicly change the sidebar due to a users usergroup? [10:57:58] I do. Migration of the MediaWiki is possible by copying all files, backing up the database -> restoring it on the new host and setting the new values for paths in LocalSettings i presume? [11:01:25] Higdur, not possible but you can write the extension. [11:01:49] Higdur, I wrote a dirty solution for http://neysampad.ir/wiki/ [11:02:37] it shows links like Special:Recentchanges and links for editing page only for logged in users [11:03:01] HACK]Gara[: yes. for good measure, and additionaly XML dump is recommended. but again, that requires shell access. [11:03:08] !backup | HACK]Gara[ [11:03:08] HACK]Gara[ : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [11:03:30] Duesentrieb, Is mwbot yours? [11:03:39] Soroush81: no [11:03:48] amidaniel maintains it [11:03:57] i like it though :) [11:04:28] Duesentrieb, great. It's nice bot for this channel [11:04:51] @trust wikimedia/Soroush83 [11:04:51] Added wikimedia/Soroush83 to trusted hostnames list. [11:04:58] Soroush81: feed it :) [11:05:39] (i'd say anyone with a wikimedia/wikipedia cloak can be trusted) [11:05:50] how about Wikia cloaks? :) [11:07:12] Jack_Phoenix: those too for all i care [11:07:36] \o/ [11:07:41] @trust wikia/Jack-Phoenix [11:07:41] Added wikia/Jack-Phoenix to trusted hostnames list. [11:07:47] yay, thanks :) [11:08:13] actually, we should nag amidaniel to auto-trust these cloaks :) [11:08:48] Duesentrieb, may I test it now? [11:08:58] Jack_Phoenix, Soroush81: use #mwbot for testing/playing/feeding [11:09:06] it doesn't support priv messages [11:11:10] You can go in #mwbot and send commands though. [11:12:03] 03(NEW) Add third variant to Polish {{PLURAL}} like in Czech - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11796 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (derbeth) [11:14:30] Another question just popped up: [11:14:30] I copied the default Monobook-Skin to build my own one. (the .php files in /skins too) [11:14:30] The skin got implemented and works fine, just one Problem: all predefined links/texts like Navigation and Login, which previously had an Uppercase first letter are now written in lowercase [11:14:41] Any ideas what could have gone wrong? [11:21:54] HACK]Gara[, it's odd. [11:22:58] you might have used some css files aren't used with your new skin [11:23:02] 03(mod) Support global (crosswiki) blocking - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 (10herbythyme) [11:23:12] HACK]Gara[, Check css [11:52:29] 03(mod) Incorrect or missing documentation regarding logo customization - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11780 (10s.vanslyck) [12:13:27] 03(mod) Incorrect or missing documentation regarding logo customization - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11780 (10s.vanslyck) [12:18:51] Hi! How can I add header with our logo to the monobook theme (like a top-frame)? [12:19:21] edit monobook.php [12:19:26] or monobookbase [12:19:55] I tried a the beginnig of monobook.php but the login buttons etc. are still on top of the page... [12:23:32] Soroush hadn't been identified for more than a year. Now I'll be Soroush [12:23:50] getting rid of the number [12:30:29] <_Vi> I've imported pages, text and revision tables from XML dump to MySQL using xml2sql program. [12:30:40] <_Vi> How can I restore categories? [12:31:21] <_Vi> Special:Categories show that I have no categories, but they actually exist. [12:32:07] <_Vi> For example, "Minsk" article shows that it is in "Category:Capitals", and "Category:Capitals" exist, [12:33:33] <_Vi> but 1. it shows that "There are 0 entries in this category.". 2. It is not listed it Special:Categories. [12:33:56] <_Vi> categorylinks table in mysql database is empty. [12:35:28] _Vi: maintenance/rebuildLinks.php [12:35:30] or something [12:37:39] <_Vi> OK, I'll try it. [12:43:35] it will take approximately five squillion years [12:53:45] Is that greater than a jillion? [13:02:33] Prax01D: yes. [13:02:47] dang. [13:21:04] is there a way to add [[Category:]] to a template without the template itself going into that category? [13:22:00] Kuja^: [13:22:42] *Werdna eats NotACow [13:22:56] *NotACow makes Werdna burp [13:23:26] thanks [13:25:03] you're welcome [13:25:56] ughj [13:27:25] ughj yourself [13:29:33] <_Vi> , Thank for advice about maintenance/rebuild*.php. I've tried create*.php generate*.php make*.php, but rebuildall.php work. [13:29:59] <_Vi> s/work/works/ [13:30:32] ugh [13:31:09] np [13:33:04] how did it work again to send text thru the wiki parse in your own extension before outputting it? i seem to have found an outdated way to do it .. Call to a member function parse() on $localParser->parse .. [13:34:27] wgOut->outputwikitext [13:41:41] i still dont get it from the google results :p [13:42:48] $output = $parser->parse( $text, $parser->mTitle, $parser->mOptions, true, false ); [13:42:52] return $output->getText(); [13:42:53] is still in the FAQs [13:44:03] or actually $output = $parser->recursiveTagParse( $text ); :p [13:49:47] ok, got recursiveTagParse working [13:53:39] hello, I'm trying to make the skins/monobook.php more readable and I don't know if it's ok to use class='abc' instead of class="abc" [13:53:53] yes it is [13:54:02] thanx [13:54:02] just remember that htmlspecialchars() doesn't escape ', only " [13:54:21] jup [14:02:38] hello [14:02:40] all [14:02:53] how to get rid from the main page title: Main Page [14:03:09] i cant get it anywhere [14:12:45] loca|host: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_hide_the_main_page_title.3F [14:14:01] is there a way in CSS to make a border that only shows for, say, the middle 50% of the actual border? [14:14:56] I'm a bit new in this...is the most actual version of monobook this? http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php [14:15:04] alyx: yes [14:15:18] thanks [14:16:11] just one more, how do i get the current page title my extension hook is being used on, inside the extension [14:19:15] flyingparchment: no [14:19:22] lame :( [14:19:25] yep [14:19:28] wait for css 3 [14:21:15] right, in 10 years browsers might support it ;) [14:21:35] true [14:23:16] has Firefox3 running on Windows, since it was mentioned here earlier that it passes the Acid2 test [14:23:23] ..and it does [14:25:33] mutante: That was me :) [14:26:09] mutante: You know about s23 wiki, is it just for general stuff (say I wanted a semi-permanent page on something) or for specific stuff? [14:28:37] minute-ssh: you can add whatever you like as long as its not illegal for me to have it on my server :p [14:29:05] Ahh, that is cool. [14:29:13] *minute-ssh will have to start using that. [14:29:30] currently implementing JargonFile extension [14:29:40] I don't really want to set up my own wiki for privacy reasons and because it would be a waste. Also s23 looks as if it has a nice community. [14:30:07] we are using it like a group blog or something [14:30:19] Oh, cool. [14:31:06] do you know how to get the page title in an extension? [14:31:16] then i can finish the Jargon stuff [14:32:00] I can see if I can find out. [14:40:31] mutante: $wgOut->getPageTitle() [14:40:36] That should do the trick. [14:40:53] thanks.. trying [14:42:50] 03rotem * r26992 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Fixes. [14:46:40] mutante: success? [14:47:47] not yet ::p [14:47:59] oh [14:48:00] ok [14:48:05] Does that thing work? [14:48:31] if i watch it in preview mode on page BOF , it contains "Editing BOF" [14:48:40] when i save it it seems empty [14:48:42] Ahh, that is a problem. [14:55:39] where is roan when you want him/her [14:59:46] minute-ssh: got it, global $wgTitle; and $wgTitle->mTextform; [15:03:13] mutante: Ahh, interesting. [15:03:34] see the new page "bogo-sort" and its actual content [15:07:50] Nice, congratulations. [15:24:55] mutante: Are you trying to crash my computer with your website or something ;) [15:24:58] [15:26:15] any api folk online? [15:26:17] uh, why? are you reading RC as a Feed? :p [15:26:57] Nope, my computer is just dead slow and you have lots of nifty css. Very nice nontheless. [15:29:06] thanks, but i doubt CSS can used for a DOS attack ;) [15:30:12] hehe [15:36:01] 03(NEW) New workaround JavaScript "diff.js" in 1.12alpha (r26409) interferes with wikEd - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11797 normal; high; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (oq9pscb02) [15:38:43] Is it possible to make the CategoryTree Extension show the pages of subcategories in Category-Descriptionpages too? [15:41:53] Ah, just found the $wgCategoryTreeCategoryPageMode variable, problem solved [15:46:52] Another question then. [15:46:52] Is it possible with CategoryTree to ONLY show the pages if the category"leaf" has no Subcategories? [15:46:52] eg. if article foo is categorized in Category:b and Category:ar whereas ar is a subcatergory of b [15:46:52] If i now watch the CategoryTree of "root_category" I want page foo to only be displayed when I open the "ar" category, not in "b" [15:46:59] hey everyone... sorry but i need some help with mediawiki... who should i ask for some help? [15:47:08] everyone [15:47:10] just ask [15:48:12] ok, my wuestion is, how do i make the "boxes" like on the main page of mediawiki that have "users","System Administrators" and "developers"? i couldn;t find it anywhere [15:48:30] emykey: it's simply html dvs and css. [15:48:34] *divs [15:48:37] no magic involved [15:48:45] you can create yourself templates for it, if you like [15:49:20] can i edit any existing ones to see how it's done? [15:49:29] sure [15:49:50] perhaps look at some wikipeia portals or main pages [15:50:03] note that the english wikipedia is probably overly complicated [15:50:07] look for something nice and simple [15:50:15] i tried to copy the main page of mediawiki but it's lovked so i coulnt make a copy [15:50:17] there are loads of portal pages, and a load of wikis [15:50:26] locked* [15:50:31] emykey: don't copy stuff you donÄt understand [15:50:41] it's going to bite you in the back side [15:50:52] HACK]Gara[: about the CategoryTree stuff: no, it's not possible. not without some massive hacking. [15:51:00] :( i just need some instructions cause i;m new at this [15:51:24] emykey: look at a simple example. look at your favorite html toturial. [15:51:45] emykey: this is nothing mediawiki-specific. it's simply a box/column html layout [15:51:56] dammit, thanks anyway ^^ [15:52:14] ok, i tried to find it in the turorial in mediwiki but i didn;t. is it a "category", a "template"? what is it exactly? [15:53:59] emykey: that makes me wonder where you looked... [15:54:19] emykey: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=templates&fulltext=Search [15:54:22] in the "user help" and faq [15:54:31] http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=categories&fulltext=Search [15:54:45] the search box is your friend, duh! [15:55:30] emykey: "user help" points to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents [15:55:40] ok, sorry :/ it's just that i thought it was something diffrent from templates and categories. [15:55:41] emykey: links to the pages about templates and categories are there, too. [15:55:49] ok, thanx [15:56:30] emykey: well... the boxes have nothing to do with categories. you can use templates to make them, but with or without templates, in the end, they are html divs. [15:56:49] maybe there should be a little "how to make portals" page [15:57:02] hm, yea, why not [15:59:26] Duesentrieb: can you reanimate roan? [16:00:49] how do I add a link in the navigation box? [16:01:03] !sidebar | Alanius [16:01:03] Alanius : To change links in navigation bar on the left, simply edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] in * list style. More details on . [16:01:34] AzaTht: whot? [16:01:36] thanks! [16:01:50] Duesentrieb: he is never here when I need to poke him :( [16:02:05] !alias navbox sidebar [16:02:13] no aliases [16:02:17] hmm [16:02:23] !navbox is see !sidebar [16:02:23] Successfully added keyword: navbox [16:02:27] !navibox is see !sidebar [16:02:27] Successfully added keyword: navibox [16:02:45] AzaTht: i know nothing about roan [16:02:46] !navbox [16:02:46] see !sidebar [16:02:50] Aliases are possible, just noone knows how to do them. [16:02:54] !bz [16:02:54] All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate. [16:02:58] !bugzilla [16:02:58] All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate. [16:03:02] @search bz [16:03:02] Results: [] [16:03:08] @search bugzilla [16:03:08] Results: [bugzilla] [16:03:08] minute-ssh: interesting :) [16:03:14] Duesentrieb: ja [16:03:30] minute-ssh: if you know how to do that, please put it on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot [16:03:36] I don't :P [16:03:41] And mwbot is being very laggy today. [16:03:58] Duesentrieb: RoanKattouw [16:04:32] AzaTht: yes. i know nothing about that guy. [16:04:34] !help [16:04:34] Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn [16:05:00] minute-ssh: it's fast enough for me... maybe *you* are lagged [16:05:35] :S [16:06:04] !navbox alias sidebar [16:06:04] Alias "navbox" already exists. Use "!navbox del" to remove it. [16:06:14] !navbox del [16:06:14] Successfully removed keyword: navbox [16:06:15] !navbox alias sidebar [16:06:15] Successfully added alias: navbox [16:06:20] !navbox [16:06:20] To change links in navigation bar on the left, simply edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] in * list style. More details on . [16:06:26] !navibox del [16:06:26] Successfully removed keyword: navibox [16:06:31] !navibox alias sidebar [16:06:31] Successfully added alias: navibox [16:07:07] !navigation box alias sidebar [16:07:14] !navigation_box alias sidebar [16:07:14] Successfully added alias: navigation_box [16:07:29] there [16:07:40] sadly you can't use spaces in keywords [16:08:09] It would be nice to have teh syntax changed a bit. [16:08:13] Can mwbot do context sensing and just answer questions when asked? [16:08:14] @search box [16:08:14] Results: [sandbox] [16:08:20] haha [16:08:30] It doesn't search in the titles. [16:08:39] TimLaqua: pretty difficult bot a bot to see context [16:08:50] minute-ssh: what does it then search for? [16:08:58] inside the factoid [16:09:08] @search was [16:09:08] Results: [help, mwbot, safemode] [16:09:14] @search bar [16:09:14] Results: [purge, sidebar] [16:09:23] AzaTht, but not impossible - and as-is, I don't see it being too terribly helpful [16:10:04] TimLaqua: how would a bot, without the risk of spamming the channel, recognize context? [16:10:20] AzaTht, similar to auto-tagging [16:10:37] AzaTht, dump noise, key on punctuation and then thow out a guess. [16:10:44] TimLaqua: how would it be able to understand what's a question? [16:10:58] once you filter noise from a statement, you end up with keywords [16:11:22] and keywords with questionmarks and modifiers like "how" or "where" = a 80% probable question [16:11:27] I wouldn't mind having a go at that one day. [16:11:27] TimLaqua: keywords in not useful to see context [16:12:16] TimLaqua: pretty error prone imo [16:12:24] AzaTht, it couldn't do the context of a thread, true. but it could try to guess at the first 1-3 "questions" asked by an IRC user within some certain timeframe [16:12:42] AzaTht, oh, it's mess up all the time - but I'm sure we could teach it to be smarter. [16:12:50] true [16:13:07] but that's an area the big brains are still studying in [16:13:28] AzaTht, sure - but the open source community is pretty good at kamakazie development. [16:13:34] hehe [16:13:50] that's a new developement method I've never heard about [16:13:58] we could at least make it ID questions like "how do I move my sidebar?" [16:14:10] "how" "move" "sidebar" "?" [16:14:17] true [16:14:21] or pry just how/sidebar because we're lazy. [16:14:51] imagine, after 5 years of teaching it, it'd be like a crazy MW oracle. [16:14:56] hehe [16:15:26] It wouldn't take much coding either. [16:15:38] well, lets not go that far. ;-) we have to be able to teach it. [16:15:41] Just some regex with a database connection. [16:15:44] minute-ssh: you just need to code an AI [16:15:48] haha [16:16:01] how about zero AI - and it just does stuff, then we tell it when it's wrong [16:16:14] then it remembers that. like kids when they touch a hot stove. [16:16:18] TimLaqua: that's some sort of AI [16:16:29] yeah, but not front-loaded AI [16:16:41] it's a typical example of machine learning [16:16:54] I think Duesentrieb is sort of the MW bot i'm thinking of. [16:17:01] ask questions, answer spits out. [16:17:32] maybe it mwbot is confused, it could just ask us to clarify. lol. [16:17:34] hehe [16:18:00] who wrote it? [16:18:04] amidaniel [16:18:12] is that his IRC nick? [16:18:16] yes [16:18:25] he ever around? [16:18:29] occasionally [16:18:31] why? [16:18:53] eh, just wonderin if he was interested in playing w/ mwbot more [16:19:11] ok [16:20:03] drupal or joomla? [16:20:15] huh? [16:20:33] I'm trying to figure out which one to get in to. [16:20:39] i'm leaning towards drupal. [16:21:08] Druapl is nice, very adaptable and customizable - never tried Joomla though. [16:21:19] me either - I just ran across it the other day. [16:21:27] minute-ssh, do any dev for drupal? [16:21:36] What do you mean? [16:21:47] oh [16:21:51] ;-) [16:21:52] no, I don't [16:22:19] I just use it for this open source website I volunteered to develop. [16:22:27] ah [16:22:46] I haven't seen any MW SVN commits recently - why so quiet? [16:23:34] Because it's Sunday? [16:23:44] Sunday == !Brion [16:24:31] ;-) Last time I was hanging around IRC was around the 1.11 branch - I guess everyone gets all hepped up around releases. [16:24:57] Yeah, they come few and far between and when they do come there is always a rush to get commits in or revert crap. [16:25:57] Yeah, it sucks when a fix isn't 100% and it gets branched. [16:28:19] I still think we can make mwbot pretty smart. ;-) count me in on that project. [16:30:04] *minute-ssh would help - but it is in Java. [16:30:22] Java's pretty straightforward [16:30:55] yeah [16:30:56] I don't think you'd be at much of a deficit. After all, most of the work would be logic. [16:31:00] That's what they all see. [16:31:47] *say [16:31:54] *TimLaqua nods [16:36:20] moin [16:40:41] 03(mod) Specify timezones by location, to allow automatic adjustments of timeoffset and daylight saving time (DST ) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505 +comment (10azatoth) [16:47:08] re [16:50:02]